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PUSHKAN TRUTH NEWSPAPER

VIOLENT NAZI PROTEST IS BROKEN JUST OUTSIDE OF KREMLIN IN NATIONS CAPITOL, MOSCOVI

Date: Dec. 9, 2004
correspondent: Oleg M. Bobrov

Today's morning in the capitol city seemed like a normal one. Cars were driving throught the streets, snow was lightly falling on the ground. It was peaceful until a band of Neo-Nazi protestors, about 50 men, came out on the streets. They went through the city, spreading their message of hate. A recent law passed by Pushkan gov't outlawed any public protests which are done without the agreement from the side of the gov't. Police force moved in and tried to break the protest peacefully. However because Neo-Naizs tried to resist it all turned into a bloodbath. As a result most of the Neo-Nazis were shot or beaten to death. As a closing statement to this short article let me thank our great leader Ivan Mishin for making sure that if the law of our people is resisted there will be consequences.

While I detest the Nazis and their disillusioned supporters, I feel I must condemn your law, if not your actions. This law of yours is unjust, and nothing less than a step (and a large one at that) on the road to fascism. While I must respect your sovereignty, it is my obligation to inform you that when the only protestors are government-supported, despotism is just beyond the horizon. Neither myself nor my people will stand by should the natural rights of men be further violated.

King Dayan I

OOC: Your technology (that you asked me to develope) is being delievered right now.

IC: The nation of Turetel congratulates Pushka on his action against a Hatefilled message and is willing to lend military support to find people who wished to fund or did fund this event, this is an unacceptable act by the people against your majority, and I feel it should not be tolerated.

Also, your law makes sense, but maybe change it to agreement with the police or some other form, so not as to reduce National Civil Rights.

In the USSNM, free speech is allowed to an extent. I'm not to sure on some of you, but we do not allow violent anti-government protests. The USSNM would have taken the same action against these traitors.
Kudos to you for acting swiftly and efficiently on this matter.

Although, if they did not resist arrest/violent, I would hope that you would just have imprisoned them.

Minister of Foreign Affairs
James Plank

Crimsdale Condems this blood bath and we warn that in the future events such as this will result in military action. Any actions against the perpriators of this march will be met with harsh reaction as mention before.

After deep consideration Crimsdale has concluded action must be taken against Pushka, as Crimsdale gained it's independance from such protest.

We ask you to appologize and pay $100,000,000 to each family member affected by your wreckless gunning. Failer to comply will result in Percise Military action.

As I speak Crimsdale has mobolized men to your region.

We recommend you step down or face our full force.

Although we do not agree with members of the Far-Right Wing, we believe this action was rather barbaric and under-minded the rights of free man. However, no nation has the right to alter and/or change another nation's internal policy and we do not believe that offensive action will solve this problem. Only craftily diplomacy, along with the decisions of Pushka's own leaders will put an end to this discrimination and violence.

Crimsdale, your recent actions are illogical and will only cause a pointless conflict. As of the moment, many could consider you as an Aggressor nation and rally behind Pushka. If you do not withdraw your forces, Crimsdale will be utterly defeated on the field of battle.

Maximilian von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

I do not support Crimsdale's rash actions; neither do I support the threats posed by Lachenburg or the unjust laws in Pushka. Let it be known that if war occurs between your nations, I will not stand on the sidelines.

Secret IC to Crimsdale:
Your actions are indeed hasty, but I support you in the fight against this unjust murder in Pushka. If there is war, I will fight beside you.

King Dayan I

Although we do not agree with members of the Far-Right Wing, we believe this action was rather barbaric and under-minded the rights of free man. However, no nation has the right to alter and/or change another nation's internal policy and we do not believe that offensive action will solve this problem. Only craftily diplomacy, along with the decisions of Pushka's own leaders will put an end to this discrimination and violence.

Crimsdale, your recent actions are illogical and will only cause a pointless conflict. As of the moment, many could consider you as an Aggressor nation and rally behind Pushka. If you do not withdraw your forces, Crimsdale will be utterly defeated on the field of battle.

Maximilian von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

You know not of what you speak, Crimsdale is a strong well funded nation, We have a most grand army, withan effortless flow we will devour anyone who stands in our way. You have angered a sleeping giant.

Crimsdale stands ready for a conflict, our Men stand strong and our weman stand fearless as the militia is armed and the corps are geared up.

I do not support Crimsdale's rash actions; neither do I support the threats posed by Lachenburg or the unjust laws in Pushka. Let it be known that if war occurs between your nations, I will not stand on the sidelines.

Secret IC to Crimsdale:
Your actions are indeed hasty, but I support you in the fight against this unjust murder in Pushka. If there is war, I will fight beside you.

King Dayan I

We do thank you Malkyer, and your support is welcomed with warm hands.

Although Lachenburg supports a policy of total neutrality, we believe that many nations will rally behind Pushka because of your aggression.

Do not misunderstand my words, we respect the power of your vast military and its capabilities, but a many-nation coalition against your mighty forces could turn this minor event into a massive military campaign, resulting in the unnecessary deaths of millions and may even drain your economy.

So lets be sensible and try to seek a peaceful way out of this situation, before it becomes a conflict.

Maximillian von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

Although Lachenburg supports a policy of total neutrality, we believe that many nations will rally behind Pushka because of your aggression.

Do not misunderstand my words, we respect the power of your vast military and its capabilities, but a many-nation coalition against your mighty forces could turn this minor event into a massive military campaign, resulting in the unnecessary deaths of millions and may even drain your economy.

So lets be sensible and try to seek a peaceful way out of this situation, before it becomes a conflict.

Maximillian von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

You are week, and your words flow out your body like a river of blood, blood brings nothing but death. If millions of deaths don't happen now then they will in the future as Phuska continues to kill those who do not fall into his obvious facism and complete communist takeover. With a regime such as this the world would be threatened.

Stand done from your critism and you will have no part in the conflict that is sure to ensue.

Yes, our nation has a small insignificant military force, that could be crushed. However, we still hope that a peaceful compromise can result from Diplomacy. The Confederacy of Lachenburg will not continue its criticism, for fear of being ruthlessly annihilated.

Maximilian von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

Yes, our nation has a small insignificant military force, that could be crushed. However, we still hope that a peaceful compromise can result from Diplomacy. The Confederacy of Lachenburg will not continue its criticism, for fear of being ruthlessly annihilated.

Maximilian von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

Besides your nations obvious downfalls, it has one upside and that is it's wise leader, we hope that you continue to make the right decisions.

I shall not allow my nation to be conquered by foreign imperialist agressors. We are not backing down and if the war is to occur then we are gonna fight to the last men. We are strong and proud people, and if we go down we will go down in such a way to be remembered.

"President Ivan V. Mishin adresses his people in a TV translation"

President: We are facing a great enemy comrades. Our enemy is a coward, he picks on a nation that he knows is too weak to oppose him. Let us not go down without a fight comrades. We are proud people, we are strong people and we shall not let some foreign government impose their policies upon us. This is a great patriotic war, this is there our fate is decided. I call upon our allies to aid us in this time of danger. I repeat we will not meet demands of a foreign agressor!!! FOR MOTHERLAND COMRADES!!!!! THIS IS TIME THEN OUR PEOPLE WILL BE TESTED.

"all able bodied men and women of Pushka are preparing for war. Those who do not have guns pick up axes, kitchen knives, whatever can be used as a weapon. They are fearless although they know that most of them will die. They are prepared to do it, because behind them is their motherland and ahead of them is the evil that is their enemy. Weapons are being received from Turetel and those weapons are being destributed to the people. People start to build defenses in the many northern forests of Pushka. Especially all around the capitol, Moscovi."
OOC: Dang, heh, good job picking on a little guy.

Rolynd un packed his paper, the frontpage was littered with images of Crimsdale forces leaving thier families, the only article that contained any words was a message from the Governing Council of Crimsdale (G.C.C.).
it read as follows:

Today our nation stands tall, but it was not always so, we grew like a buetiful flower from the heart of a rock. We did this peacefully and now we are an independant soveirn nation. We wish that the world could only experiance what we have, freedom, power, loyalty, and wealth. Other nations wish for the opposite, so is the reasoning behind Phushkas recent slaughter of innocent civilians.

We will show these foes what they have shown us, We are powerful and we are free and we will continue in our own lagacy.

I have ordered all Crimsdale forces into a state of alert. We have sent a large contingment of naval and air forces to the region as we prepare for a strike. Operation Basement on a hill is in it's first stages.

We hereby declare war on Pushka.

- Elliot Stroke, Governor General, G.C.C.

Rolynd Gently lay the paper in his lap as he looked to the sky in aww as a fleet of jets took of, the sky darkened with the sight.

Rolynd un packed his paper, the frontpage was littered with images of Crimsdale forces leaving thier families, the only article that contained any words was a message from the Governing Council of Crimsdale (G.C.C.).
it read as follows:

Today our nation stands tall, but it was not always so, we grew like a buetiful flower from the heart of a rock. We did this peacefully and now we are an independant soveirn nation. We wish that the world could only experiance what we have, freedom, power, loyalty, and wealth. Other nations wish for the opposite, so is the reasoning behind Phushkas recent slaughter of innocent civilians.

We will show these foes what they have shown us, We are powerful and we are free and we will continue in our own lagacy.

I have ordered all Crimsdale forces into a state of alert. We have sent a large contingment of naval and air forces to the region as we prepare for a strike. Operation Basement on a hill is in it's first stages.

We hereby declare war on Pushka.

- Elliot Stroke, Governor General, G.C.C.

Rolynd Gently lay the paper in his lap as he looked to the sky in aww as a fleet of jets took of, the sky darkened with the sight.


OOC: I am gonna need at least a real time day to rally up my allies. So lets wait.

"with a grimase of pain on his face president Ivan calls for a marshall law. He says through a radio annoucement"

President: Stay strong comrades, if there is any good in this world, then we shall win this war, if not then we shall go down the only way proud people like us should, killed in a battle after giving a bloody nose to our enemy. Remember how this nation was started. Remember the tribes of men and women who were traveling for thousands of miles through cold and through heat, remember the nomads who burned our cities, remember those who tried to crush as before, remember that they have all failed. And so shall our enemy fail this time. For we are not to give up without a fight, we shall not go quetly into the darkness, we shall battle until the last drop of our blood."

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OOC: i'll post something tomorrow

OOC:then tomorrow we will have a hodown, I mean showdown

OOC: Tell me some information about your military while we are waiting. What is the actual size of the troops you are deploying? Don't get too cocky, its not tomorrow yet.

We have currently 150,000 stationed in northern europe, the leftovers from a war against an atheist counrty but our emergency response force of 2 divisions numbering 50,000 can deploy to your nation within 24 hours. 100,000 within 72 hours. Each dropship carries company of 90 men.

Me, LivLiNaTer, My Two Brothers, Tunaza and LivlaTer all pledge out alligence to Pushka. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

The Concordiat hereby supports Crimsdale and promises to send as many Panzer Divisions as can be spared. Infantry and aircraft, although of a lower quality, will also be sent. No expense will be spared for the assistance of Crimsdale.

We have currently 150,000 stationed in northern europe, the leftovers from a war against an atheist counrty but our emergency response force of 2 divisions numbering 50,000 can deploy to your nation within 24 hours. 100,000 within 72 hours. Each dropship carries company of 90 men.

We await for those men with open arms. I am sure that we will proove that no one nation can opress another without a justification.

Me, LivLiNaTer, My Two Brothers, Tunaza and LivlaTer all pledge out alligence to Pushka. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

I thank you for your support. The rallying point for allied troops is a platform outside capitol city of Moscovi. Please give us as many as you can spear we need every last man.

The Concordiat hereby supports Crimsdale and promises to send as many Panzer Divisions as can be spared. Infantry and aircraft, although of a lower quality, will also be sent. No expense will be spared for the assistance of Crimsdale.
The divisions to be employed are in the 14th Kampfgruppe. They are the elite 13th and 24th Panzer, the 7th and 11th infantry, and the 10th Heavy Panzer divisions. There is also about 80 supporting fighters and 40 supporting bombers.

These are about 300 Panzers, of which 75 are Guderian II tanks and the rest are either Manstein or Rommel vehicles. There are about 2500 other infantry in the two infantry divisions, and 120 aircraft.

the 14th Kampfgruppe is to be under the Concordiat, whose army is under the direct command of Crimsdale HQ and Oberkommando der Panzerwagen.

OOC: Oh just so everybody knows, since Pushka is a northern country and its winter we have temperatures of -15-20 C take that into consideration while equiping your troops and actual attacking. Tanks and other such machinery might not be very effective since its oil will freeze, thats for both sides.

Also Pushka is mainly an inland nation with only two sea ports one in the city of Novgorod, in the east and one in the city of Kazara in the west.

"The Free Americas" have put together a army of 75,000. Made up of 3 divions of 25,000 each. Each divison is from a seprate nation . (LivLiNaTer, Tunaza, LivlaTer) Also many reindforcments from my freinds nations will be coming soon to renforce. This includes our armoured divison and our paratroopers from the 10th swooping hawks divison. I will pick up tommorw hopefully with more support from "The Free Americas". Our Loyalty will make you remember the power of freedom!! :mad:

The Republic of Siap throws in its lot with Pushka. The Submarine RSS MANTA and aircraft carrier RSS Albatross is being sent, along with a support fleet of AEGIS cruisers, frigates and PT boats. Our Urban Assault Division special forces (100,000 men total) are being sent to secure the capital. We hope you will reconsider your proposed invasion.
~Siap

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OOC: Oh just so everybody knows, since Pushka is a northern country and its winter we have temperatures of -15-20 C take that into consideration while equiping your troops and actual attacking. Tanks and other such machinery might not be very effective since its oil will freeze, thats for both sides.

Also Pushka is mainly an inland nation with only two sea ports one in the city of Novgorod, in the east and one in the city of Kazara in the west.

OOC: Diesel engines don't freeze as bad as gas...but they do use more fuel... and it does freeze. I'll have to put antifreeze and tropicalize the filters on the engines. Darn weather. I knew there was a reason that the US built nukes.

The SH military command is organizing her forces and we are quickly mobilizing. We look forward to fighting along side your troops in battle. Our next communique will be when the dropships are about to enter your airspace, until then good luck.

OOC: Dropships? Can we keep this mostly modern tech?

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The Commonwealth of Chimaea strongly condemns the threats against the stability of the region of Baron from Crimsdale and its allies.

Chimaea urges both sides to negotiate a cessation of hostilities and a diplomatic solution to this crisis.

We are willing to provide third party investigations and related resources with regards to an end to this mobilisation.

Having said that, Chimaea will not tolerate any inter-regional attacks upon Baron and its nations.

~Chimaean Foriegn Ministry,
Commonwealth of Chimaea

From: Defence Minister of Turangawaewae

Although we are at opposite ends of the great motherland, our homeland being in the Caucaus, we feel obliged to help our comrades fight off the oppressionist facists, regardless of our views on the human rights of the matter. As such, we are offering several battallions of volunteers from our elite commando division who have signed up to help defend the culture and ideals of our peoples.

The size of these batallions are 1000 men each and we are sending four full strength ones for now; these are our best trained men and should be lethal to any enemies. They are armed with AK-74 rifles and RPG-7s along with the accompanying cold weather gear, and all transportation has been arranged. Our best fighters, Chengdu F-7s, will be providing close air support for them.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-7e_1.jpg
F-7 in flight

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi24hind.jpg
Mi-24 helicopters will provide anti-tank firepower and transportation.

Men: 4000
20 Mi-24s
36 F-7s (AKA MiG-21)

While I detest the Nazis and their disillusioned supporters, I feel I must condemn your law, if not your actions. This law of yours is unjust, and nothing less than a step (and a large one at that) on the road to fascism. While I must respect your sovereignty, it is my obligation to inform you that when the only protestors are government-supported, despotism is just beyond the horizon. Neither myself nor my people will stand by should the natural rights of men be further violated.

King Dayan I

I concur with King Dayan I

President Dein

FYI - Dropships are the same as air cavalry. What do yo think blackhawks are, they are infantry dropships. Anyways,

SH military dropships are in transit to your capital and are completing final preparations for war. SH soldiers stand eager to fight against your enemies and gain experience. I needed, the 100,000 men in northern Europe can be deployed to assist. These men are alreday highly experienced in war. These includ our best marine assualt force for amphibious warfare, our spearhead shock troops and the 1st airborne ranger division. The men we are sending have been tasked to perform peacekeeping duties along your border with crimsdale. Should they be fired at, the will respond with force.

OOC: Diesel engines don't freeze as bad as gas...but they do use more fuel... and it does freeze. I'll have to put antifreeze and tropicalize the filters on the engines. Darn weather. I knew there was a reason that the US built nukes.

OOC: Don't also forget the fact that Russian tank technology surpasses that of US. Damn atlantic and Pacific oceans, thats the reason why USSR developed nukes.

The SH military command is organizing her forces and we are quickly mobilizing. We look forward to fighting along side your troops in battle. Our next communique will be when the dropships are about to enter your airspace, until then good luck.

OOC: Excuse me for forgeting, but who's side are you on?

I apreciate the help which all of your great nations have given us in this just effort to defend ourselves against the opresion of emperialistic capitalism.

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on who's side?

on who's side?

OOC:Everybody please post which side you are on oncea again. I am sorry for this disconcern but it will make it easier for everybody if we make a list.
Also include how many of what you are deploying/mobilizing and stuff like that.

From: Defence Minister of Turangawaewae

Although we are at opposite ends of the great motherland, our homeland being in the Caucaus, we feel obliged to help our comrades fight off the oppressionist facists, regardless of our views on the human rights of the matter. As such, we are offering several battallions of volunteers from our elite commando division who have signed up to help defend the culture and ideals of our peoples.

The size of these batallions are 1000 men each and we are sending four full strength ones for now; these are our best trained men and should be lethal to any enemies. They are armed with AK-74 rifles and RPG-7s along with the accompanying cold weather gear, and all transportation has been arranged. Our best fighters, Chengdu F-7s, will be providing close air support for them.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-7e_1.jpg
F-7 in flight

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi24hind.jpg
Mi-24 helicopters will provide anti-tank firepower and transportation.

Men: 4000
20 Mi-24s
36 F-7s (AKA MiG-21)

I am happy to see another son of great motherland as an ally.

We would not like to go into this war fully, but we do feel commited to help Pushka. As socialists we feel the need to help our brothers on the left wing from the fascists. Therefore we will be sending 3,000 of our Infintry Divsion to protect Pushka's capitol in case of invasion. Our Infintry are armed with Kalashnikov AK-74's, bayonets, heavy duty winter gear, and Officers are issued Colt .45 semi-automactic handguns (along with the regular gear).

Any invasion of the United Socialist States of New Mesapotamia will result in full scale war against the offender. You have been warned.

Minister of the Miltary
General Hans Pulson

I have to put a lil damper on things, I am going to be gone this weekend and have no way of Rp ing so if ya can all wait till monday thats when we'll fight, thank you for understanding.

Do you mind if I deploy my troops in Pushka's capitol during the weekend? Or would you rather I wait?

Do you mind if I deploy my troops in Pushka's capitol during the weekend? Or would you rather I wait?

Deploy them as soon as possible. If you can. We thank you, and apreciate you providing help to your ideological brothers in this dark hour.

OOC: Crimsdale sure i'll probably not be here much during the weekends myself.

After puting 50 million dollars into AKM development the rifle was finally produced by Pushkan military. We put additional 20 million into equiping our whole population with those weapons. Our regular army is already equiped with them thanks to the help from Tertel.

Pushkan gov't puts 200 million into the development of world's most sofisticated Triumph anti-aircraft system as a part of this five year plan.

OOC: Some info on it, no pics.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/1999/FTS19990821000218.htm

Official State Address:
"I hereby pledge the support of the Kingdom of Malkyer to the forces that have allied themselves against Pushka. In the interest of freedom for all men, we must act decisively against the government which forbids its people the fundamental right to express their opinion. The forces of totalitarianism will be stopped.

Having said that, I wish to send a message to our ally Crimsdale. We hold the moral high ground; we must maintain our hold on it. I urge you not to abuse the rights of prisoners and civilians, and to uphold the Laws of War. The nation of Pushka and its allies call us fascists in an attempt to garner support for their cause. However, we will show through our actions that we want nothing more than the essential, natural rights of all men.

I wish also to send a message to Pushka, its armies, and its civilians. Stand down. The more you resist, the more you fight back, the more people on both sides will die. I am confident in the capabilties of my nation and our allies, but in war nothing is sure. I ask you, beg you, to end this fight before your nation is destroyed.

I have authorized both the 45th and 23rd Army Groups to mobilize and engage Pushkan and allied forces. Currently, the four divisions are expected to arrive soon, though obviously I can give no exact numbers, locations, or times, for security reasons. For God and Freedom!"

***

General Thomas Malithan looked at the battlefield map. Numerically, he didn't have the overwhelming superiority he'd hoped for. My men are good, he thought, the best of the best. Tomorrow they'd attack the enemy, and it would be a tough battle. He doubted that Pushka had recieved the amount of foreign support they'd thought they'd get; he hoped they'd be demoralized. Bad morale could turn a close battle into a route. Need some sleep, he thought as he got up for more coffee.

OOC: I tend to fight using small units (i.e., brigades and regiments rather than armies and divisions), so my attacks are going to be numerous. Here is the basic breakdown of a Malkyeri Army Group:

1 Army Group (180,000 men) = 3 Armies (60,000 men)

1 Army (60,000 men) =
2 Corp (30,000 men) =
4 Divisions (15,000 men)=
12 Brigades (9,000 men)=
36 Regiments (3,000 men)=
108 Battalions (1,000 men)=
540 Companies (200 men)=
2700 Platoons (40 men)=
10800 Squads (6-10 men)

let me know if the numbers don't add up. I probably did my math wrong.

"President Ivan V. Mishin's address concerning the recent speech by Malkyer gov't. Radio station, Echo of Moscovi"

Ivan: Do not stand down my comrades, do not surrender yourselves to the bloodthirsty fascists who want to break us over a just execution of 50 traitors, which was all done in self defense. Our policy will not change, we are moraly superior to our enemy, we do not give racism a chance like they want us to. Stand and fight till the end, if we are to go down we shall go down as people worthy of being remembered. Kill as many enemies as you can, even if we are to perish we shall perish as heroes, fighting of the enemy greater then us, defending our motherland against the fascist invasion. Our allies will keep coming, they aid us. For now stand tall, as proud people you are. FOR MOTHERLAND!!!!!!!

"...a just execution of 50 traitors, which was all done in self defense."

Police force moved in and tried to beak the protest peacefully. However because Neo-Nazis tried to resist it all turned into a bloodbath. As a result most of the Neo-Nazis were shot or beaten to death.

"It would seem to me that the facts do not fall in line with President Mishin's speech," Dayan said to his friend and advisor, Lord Henry Yamagua.

"No indeed. Oh, I just remembered, Sire. General Malithan has wired a message to you. He says he's ready to commit to the attack as soon as you give the word."

"Alright. Do it, Henry."

"Of course, m'lord."

***

Across the line, artillery began to fire at Pushkan forces. The heaviest cannons, the 175mm guns, could bombard targets almost twenty miles away; right now though they were concentrating 90% of the fire on the border defenses, to try and stun them so the tanks could move in to destroy them and break the enemy lines. Infantry could secure any breakthroughs. No battle plan survives contact with the enemy, Malithan thought to himself. Too late to stop now. Let's kill the bastards.

OOC: remember that its a below 10 C in Pushka and diesel fuel used by tanks will freeze.

2nd Pushkan army is given a task of halting the enemy advance by any means neccecerry. It contains 200000 men armed with AK-74s and are currently being armed with Eryx ATGM 50 launchers, 200 missiles , 1000 FIM-92A Stinger missiles, 200 Stinger Launch Units, 5000 Predator disposable antitank rockets, and 200 NTW-20 anti-materiel rifles chambered for the 14.5mm KPV round. General Makarov is in command of the second army. As he pours himself tea he looks over the map of Pushka and is looking for a place which would be perfect to set a trap for enemie's army. Second army is starting to slowly retreat from the border making small counter attacks but still retreating towards Moscovi and allied army positions. As it retreats the cities are being evacuated and many civilians volunteer to help the army against the enemy. They are given AK-74s and are placed in a specail volunteer unit given a task of relieving pressure from the 2nd army batalions by hiding in the surprize attack spots and ambushing the enemy. About 15000 men and women vollunteered. Most of them have been in the army because of the draft and have all the needed experience.

The Prime Minister sat at his desk looking over budget plans, when his Secretary's voice came over the intercom. "Sir, call from General Pulson. He say's it's urgent."

"Patch him through Ann", he said as he turned on the speaker phone. "What's up Hans?"

"Sir, the sitution in Pushka has elevated. They have asked for more support from our military."

"How many troops from our Infintry can we spare?", the Prime Minister said as he poured himself a cup of coffe. "We don't exactly want to lose yet another fellow socialist to the fascists, now do we Hans?"

"No sir. We could deploy a regiment to their capitol and major cities, and give some air support. But what we can't do, sir, is be on the offensive. My belief is that once we show them that we will not allow Pushka to crumble, they will not attack again."

"Excellent Hans, deploy a regiment to Pushka a-sap. I also want the air space around the capitol secure. Are you up to the job?"

"As always sir."

"I would also like for you to update me on the sitution, as it unfolds."

"Can do sir. Good night sir."

"Night Hans," the Prime Minister said as he turned the speaker phone off. He would get little sleep tonight.

*******

If any nations would like to collaborate with us with the defensive of Pushka, telegram me or post here.

Could we get a map of Pushka?

OOC: I am afraid not.

Corporal Hans Hollern swore at the tank. Why the hell didn't his unit get the anti-freeze? The entire 2nd Armored Platoon, fourteen tanks, was stuck here just inside the Pushkan border. To make matters worse, or at least more embarassing, theirs was the only unit that didn't sufficient anti-freeze for the tanks. Fortunately, they could still use their weapons, so they weren't defenseless. Their visual and targeting systems still functioned as well. Ah, at least we can still kill a T-76 before it knows we're here, Hollern thought. The main thrust of the armored attack was a few miles ahead, slowed because the infantry were taking longer to advance than expected. Hollern sat in his tank, and waited for anti-freeze.

***

General Malithan rubbed bleary eyes as he read the report. Another New Mesopotamian regiment is being sent to Pushka. They have two hundred thousand men in front of us. That's forty percent of their military. Hmm...we haven't committed even a percent of a percent yet. The king says they're still ranting about how this is going to be our downfall. I'm no politician, but even I can see they're just prolonging their own deaths. They seem like good enough people. It's really a shame.

Corporal Hans Hollern swore at the tank. Why the hell didn't his unit get the anti-freeze? The entire 2nd Armored Platoon, fourteen tanks, was stuck here just inside the Pushkan border. To make matters worse, or at least more embarassing, theirs was the only unit that didn't sufficient anti-freeze for the tanks. Fortunately, they could still use their weapons, so they weren't defenseless. Their visual and targeting systems still functioned as well. Ah, at least we can still kill a T-76 before it knows we're here, Hollern thought. The main thrust of the armored attack was a few miles ahead, slowed because the infantry were taking longer to advance than expected. Hollern sat in his tank, and waited for anti-freeze.

***

General Malithan rubbed bleary eyes as he read the report. Another New Mesopotamian regiment is being sent to Pushka. They have two hundred thousand men in front of us. That's forty percent of their military. Hmm...we haven't committed even a percent of a percent yet. The king says they're still ranting about how this is going to be our downfall. I'm no politician, but even I can see they're just prolonging their own deaths. They seem like good enough people. It's really a shame.


OOC: Anti-freeze? Dude don't make up stuff lets keep it realistic. Aight?

OOC: my bad. I thought antifreeze was real. oh wait, it is.

****Public statement issued by The Armed Republic of Rechze****

Fellow nations,

As Chimaea, The Armed Republic of Rechze, will not tolerate any inter-regional attacks upon Baron and its nations.

This invasion has violated and disregarded any attempts made by the most humble nation of Chimaea to mitigate aggression, and come to some resolution.

Thus, Rechze is obliged to deploy forces as soon as possible, in protection of Pushka, to counter the direct menace to the stability of the empire of Baron.

****end statement ****

OOC: should we limit this to no nations, except those that have posted on this thread or 'help me defend against crimsdale', are longer allowed to be directly involved in the war ???

Will follow up on previous post soon ...

OOC: my bad. I thought antifreeze was real. oh wait, it is.

OOC: For cars, there is no antifreeze for tanks. There are special chemicals you can add to the diesel fuel, but you haven't even developed them yet, have yuo?

OOC: should we limit this to no nations, except those that have posted on this thread or 'help me defend against crimsdale', are longer allowed to be directly involved in the war ???

Will follow up on previous post soon ...

OOC: I say yes, naiton of Turetel is already on our side it got a population of more then 3 billion. I still don't want my men to die in any number, so if nation of Malkyer backsdown right now we swear not to seek vengence then we are more developed nation.

Pushkan defense council puts 70 million into development and 300 million into production of 800000 AK-108 assault rifles (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as07-e.htm) as an extension of current 5 year plan. Once produced the AK-108 is meant to replace the AK-74s which are currently used by regular army (800000 men), after being replaced the surplus of AK-74s will be distributed to numerous civilian/volunteer batalions which are being formed in large numbers as people rise against the enemy.

Also 120 million dollars are put into development of AN-94 recoiless assault rifle (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm) as a part of current 5 year plan. 100 million is put into production of 300000 assault rifles.

Also 60 million dollars are put into development of Dragunov SVD sniper rifle (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn18-e.htm) and 100 million put in its production and distribution to armed forces fighting in Urban areas of Pushka.

OOC: For cars, there is no antifreeze for tanks. There are special chemicals you can add to the diesel fuel, but you haven't even developed them yet, have yuo?

OOC: Maybe I have. Maybe I've found somekind of fuel additive for the fuel that doesn't freeze. Maybe my tanks have a special heating system for winter combat. Maybe I'm just being a jackass. Anyway you look at it, though, I'd be a fool to reveal my secrets to you. As for limiting the number of nations involved, that sounds good. However, Crimsdale seems to have stopped doing whatever it is he was doing, so is it alright if I call in another ally?

OOC: Maybe I have. Maybe I've found somekind of fuel additive for the fuel that doesn't freeze. Maybe my tanks have a special heating system for winter combat. Maybe I'm just being a jackass. Anyway you look at it, though, I'd be a fool to reveal my secrets to you. As for limiting the number of nations involved, that sounds good. However, Crimsdale seems to have stopped doing whatever it is he was doing, so is it alright if I call in another ally?

OOC: Crimsdale will be back on Monday as he said. So you not a big fan of realism? No matter, won't take me much you wipe you out. So please do continue to advance. My army is retreating there is nothing standing in your way, well almost nothing, remember that there are bunkers placed all over the place and people are armed with anti-tank weapons. The fire and forget kind.

OCC-Crimsdale is off for the weekend, he posted something like that in this thread. I suggest we don't do any actual attacking until he returns, but I would encourage deployments.

The Prime Minister walked through the back stage. He had just given a speech on the defense of Pushka. His charisma held the audience hanging on to his every word. Almost everyone left the rally with a sense of patriotism, which was exactly what the Prime Minister wanted. With his country positive stance on the war, he could go in fully if needed. He hoped he didn’t have to.

As his transport arrived to take him to a secret meeting in Krutska, a small city in the mountains, he waved at the crowds surrounding the heli-pad. That’s it. Everything is going according to the plan. “Long live New Mesapotamia!” and “Power the party” were common phrases that could be heard being shouted as the heli-copter took off with the Prime Minister in it. His Minister of the Military and Minister of Defense were already getting things sorted out at the retreat in Krutska.


The heli-copter arrived 3 hours later at the military installation next to the retreat. The Prime Minister was escorted to the complex, where his comrades warmly welcomed him. After all were seated, the Minister of the Military stood to speak. “We will begin to start the defense of Pushka by sending regiment 4. The Commander of the Infantry Division will now speak.” A man of about 50 stood to speak as the Minister of the Military sat down. He was decorated with ribbons and medals all over his Infantry Division officer uniform.

“We will be sending our Fourth Division to form a defensive perimeter around Pushka’s capitol city. We will also station troops around the borders, so when the attacking armies try to retreat, we can box them in the harsh weather. We hope this may lead them into negotiations, which would be in our and Pushka’s favor. The less bloodshed, the better.” He turned on the projection to show the plans for troop placement. “We will also be sending in a battalion of our Armored Division to accompany the Infantry. This will reduce our casualties significantly.”

“What was the verdict on sending air support”, the Prime Minister asked as an attendant poured him coffee. The Commander or the Aerial Division stood to speak.

“Sir, we have agreed to defensive fly-bys over Pushka’s air space with-in 100 Kilometers of the capitol. As you can see, we’re focusing our support there. We will be sending one of our MIG 29 fleets, roughly 300 planes.”

“Excellent. I want deployments within the week. Can you manage that,” the Prime Minister said as he grinned.

“Sir, we could do it in the next 24 hours. All we need really is your approval and the confirmation of Pushka,” the Minister of Military said.

“Contact Pushka and deploy on their command. You have my go ahead.”

“Very good sir.”

**********
OCC-Ready when you are Pushka.

The Prime Minister walked through the back stage. He had just given a speech on the defense of Pushka. His charisma held the audience hanging on to his every word. Almost everyone left the rally with a sense of patriotism, which was exactly what the Prime Minister wanted. With his country positive stance on the war, he could go in fully if needed. He hoped he didn’t have to.

As his transport arrived to take him to a secret meeting in Krutska, a small city in the mountains, he waved at the crowds surrounding the heli-pad. That’s it. Everything is going according to the plan. “Long live New Mesapotamia!” and “Power the party” were common phrases that could be heard being shouted as the heli-copter took off with the Prime Minister in it. His Minister of the Military and Minister of Defense were already getting things sorted out at the retreat in Krutska.


The heli-copter arrived 3 hours later at the military installation next to the retreat. The Prime Minister was escorted to the complex, where his comrades warmly welcomed him. After all were seated, the Minister of the Military stood to speak. “We will begin to start the defense of Pushka by sending regiment 4. The Commander of the Infantry Division will now speak.” A man of about 50 stood to speak as the Minister of the Military sat down. He was decorated with ribbons and medals all over his Infantry Division officer uniform.

“We will be sending our Fourth Division to form a defensive perimeter around Pushka’s capitol city. We will also station troops around the borders, so when the attacking armies try to retreat, we can box them in the harsh weather. We hope this may lead them into negotiations, which would be in our and Pushka’s favor. The less bloodshed, the better.” He turned on the projection to show the plans for troop placement. “We will also be sending in a battalion of our Armored Division to accompany the Infantry. This will reduce our casualties significantly.”

“What was the verdict on sending air support”, the Prime Minister asked as an attendant poured him coffee. The Commander or the Aerial Division stood to speak.

“Sir, we have agreed to defensive fly-bys over Pushka’s air space with-in 100 Kilometers of the capitol. As you can see, we’re focusing our support there. We will be sending one of our MIG 29 fleets, roughly 300 planes.”

“Excellent. I want deployments within the week. Can you manage that,” the Prime Minister said as he grinned.

“Sir, we could do it in the next 24 hours. All we need really is your approval and the confirmation of Pushka,” the Minister of Military said.

“Contact Pushka and deploy on their command. You have my go ahead.”

“Very good sir.”

**********
OCC-Ready when you are Pushka.


OOC: I am ready, deploy troops. More time we have until actual war, better it is for us. I want our enemie's defeat to be humiliating and full. For that i need them to make the first move inside Pushka. Deploy your troops.

Pushkan Defense council puts 100 million dollars into development and production of 5000 2S1 mobile artillery (http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPART/FOREIGN_MIL_EQUIPMENT/Artillery-Mortars/Russian/2S1122mmHowSPgraphic2.gif)
(http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?lng=eng&unit=2067)

Pushkan defense council puts 70 million dollars into development and production of 700 Mi-28 Havoc combat helecopters (http://warfare.ru/?catid=260&linkid=1640)

Pushkan development of sea mines is finished they are currently being placed into strategic positions all over the Pushkan sea ports.

Pushkan defense council is spending 400 million dollars on development and production of 400 Mig-35 Raptor Killer (http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=1189) as an extension of current 5 year plan.

Pushkan defense council is spending 300 million on development and production of 300 SU-47 Berkut jet fighters (http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=1189)

15000 men are put into new Pushkan air force. Commander of Air Force is Nikolai V. Kushinski

OCC-Can I reach you from land? I don't know if I need to use my transport trucks or get some long range transport helicopters or naval ships.

OCC-Can I reach you from land? I don't know if I need to use my transport trucks or get some long range transport helicopters or naval ships.

You can reach me by both land and sea. I am in eastern Europe and have only two sea ports one in Novgorod and in Kazara, exept that right now sea mines are being placed in those ports so you might wanna use your land transportation. What we really need is your air support, right now is the perfect chance, to... i already wired you a telegram with that information. Did i not?

I have recieved your telegram. Preperations are taking place. Deployments will begin within the next 24 hours. We thank you for your cooperation.

~Minister of the Military
Hans Pulson

*****
OCC-I need a rough map of your nation and where your major cities and if any mountain ranges. This will make all of this a bit easier.

I have recieved your telegram. Preperations are taking place. Deployments will begin within the next 24 hours. We thank you for your cooperation.

~Minister of the Military
Hans Pulson

*****
OCC-I need a rough map of your nation and where your major cities and if any mountain ranges. This will make all of this a bit easier.

OOC: I don't have a map. And my drawing skills are, well, bad, especially in Paint, so can't help you there. There is a sea to the east and west. Capitol is roughly in the center, there is a mountain range on the border to the south, thats the only one, the rest of the country is covered with european forests, hills and stuff like that, there are few rivers, like Volga and Liapota which are the two great rivers.

OCC: I have some abilities with paint. If you would dictate your countries appearance to me, I would be glad to create a map for you.

OCC-Ah, so you're in Western Russia. I'll be back in about an hour, then I'll do some long RPing.
Thanks to Lachenburg for making maps.

OCC: I have some abilities with paint. If you would dictate your countries appearance to me, I would be glad to create a map for you.

OOC: Can you make one from what i already told you? Just make an outline and georgraphical objects, i can put in the cities and stuff on my own. If you can do it, send me a telegram with it.

"People of Turetel, as you know we have pledged our support to a smaller nation and giving it many supplies, but it has also come to our National Level of threats against this nation that are generally unfounded. In likewise Turetelian fashion, we must aid our comrade, and who knows, maybe we will hit them while we are at it, but that is not my choice to make, it rest in the hands of the people attacking, and if the Clovian Officiers want this to become a bloodbath, well..."

"Jackson, Jackson, Jackson." The chant of the crowd could be heard throughout the Turetelian Square cheering for their recently re-elected Jackson McAbb for a 13th Term (He is currently 69 years old and has served this post for nearly 35 years) of the Head of Forces position.

"To the nation who have soldiers captured by certain Turetelian Armed Forces (TAF) Units, you can be assured they will be kept in good condition and in accordance to Rule of Engagement, will not be near the battle-line for the obvious health risk. It is also important that others nations apply these rules."

"Lisa, Lisa, Lisa!" The crowd was now screaming for the Head of Civility (3rd Term 9th Year) Lisa Cristal Champlainian.


Over on the Turetelian White Fleet boarding.

"Men, it is time that we test our skills, we rarely use tanks in this weather, and this will be no exception, we do use Artillery and will most certainly be using our Special Forces, which neither Pushka nor our allies nor the foes know that they are right in front of their noses. SOT Operatives are already in the camps of the enemies, or should I say around the camps and inside friendly bases. The 1111th Armoured Brigade is already been deployed into the Turetelian 2nd Fleet and is moving toward Pushka as we speak. The TSF (Turetelian Special Forces) has set up post around the border, in which we got word that a group of Armoured units of the opponent passed by a Post consisting of 7 men, with an Xilian Revolutionary Weapon Class System, and has been targeted. We are the brave, the proud, the islanders, we are the Turetelian 74th Infantry, Empire Breaker, Empire Builder, Rebel Assualt Team, and most importantly, the best damn troops of Turetel!"

"Preoi, Preoi, Preoi!" The shouting was nearly deafining by the nearly 38,000 74th Infantry shouting to Lt. Clovian Earl Watson.

To speed things up a bit: All forces are en route to the nation of Pushka at this time, some are already their as you should know:

SOT I
SOT II
SOT (Special Operations Team) Imperial Assualt Team
74th Infantry (46,000)
1st Turetelian Marines (11,000)
Turetelian Bulk Infantry (93,000)
Turetelian 2nd Bomber Wing (135 Planes)
Turetelian Fighter Wing (312 Planes)
Turetelian White Fleet (173 Ships in 8 Divisions)
Turetelian Blockade Runners (7 Speed Ships)
TSF Agents
Turetelian 4,003rd Infantry (138,000)
Turetelian Armoured Brigade

Total Number of Specified Objects/Troops: Roughly 250,000
Total Official Number: Roughly 370,000 (including Back-ups to be deployed)
Total Official Number: Roughly 310,000 (All forces on call and deployed)

OOC: Could you send a copy to pollster.us@gmail.com and a copy to turtlesattack@gmail.com It would be greatly appreciated.

The winds howled as the helicopter pilot struggled to maintain his position above the forest in Pushka. The Mi-24 opened its rear door, and the eight-man team prepared to deploy. They threw the rope down so that it hit the ground; then one by one they fast roped down into the freezing woods. The leader, the last to leave the chopper, looked at the pilot. Lieutenant Mark Fuller shivered. He'd never get used to those tattoos around their eyes, even though he knew they wre the good guys.

"Thanks." The commando leader had to yell to be heard above the rotors and the icy wind. He lowered his goggles and attached his shroud, to protect his face from the cold. He grabbed the rope and slid down to the forest to join his waiting team.

Fuller shut the door. The inside of the helicopter suddenly seemed very warm and very quiet. Christ, but those guys are scary, he thought. He hit various buttons and switches, gripped the controls, and flew the chopper back to the Malkyeri lines.

***

Rayan flicked on his radio headset as soon as he was on the ground. He heard the voice of his Second, Rashad, tell him to head east. They've already scattered and hidden. Good men. The seven other Black Eyes were all handpicked, expert snipers and demolitionists. Rayan clutched his M4 to his chest and crept silently through the woods.

After about two mnutes of searching, he paused and pointed his rifle at a cluster of bushes.

"I see you, Rashad."

"Damn it, how?" Rashad laughed.

Rayan grinned, though you couldn't tell because of the shroud covering his face. "Rashad, shrubbery don't scratch its ass." The other men laughed. He joined them inside a cluster of trees, where the wind wasn't quite so bad. He used the barrel of his rifle to sketch a crude map in the snow.

"Ok, here's our objective. Pushkan capital of Moscovi. It's pretty far away, and needless to say, the weather is less than pleasent. Here's the plan. We're going to head through these woods and then..."

***

Official Press Release
A Parliamentry review board today addressed the issue of the war in Pushka. The congress of elected officials and nobles voted (288-247) to end the war as soon as practical. Currently, army groups of the Kingdom hold swathes of territory within Pushka, and though it has not happened yet, a signifigant counterattack is believed to be in the works. The king has issued a statement concerning the withdrawal from combat operations.

"We have many commitments and obligations around the world. Our army cannot solve every crisis, though it pains me to admit it. We currently have numerous troops deployed in Pushka, Shadowship, and our own troubled province of Tremain. In light of recent developments, it has come to my attention that we must prioritize the fires we fight. Though I personally feel the human rights issue in Pushka takes precedence, I must consider other factors as well. In Shadowship, our troops are greeted with open arms. In Pushka, they in constant danger of freezing to death. It is for this among other reasons that I have made the decision to ask Pushka for a cessation of hostilies. I am willing to pay reparations for any private property destroyed by our military, on the condition that our troops be allowed to leave the country. To Pushka and her citizens, I have this to say. Your determination and patriotism is admirable. I still feel that my duty is unfufilled, and should you require help of any kind in the future, you have but to ask and we shall aid.

Thank you."

Looking very tired, the King left the podium and retired to his chambers to discuss matters with top political and military advisors.

OCC: Alright, I sent the maps to both email adresses.

The winds howled as the helicopter pilot struggled to maintain his position above the forest in Pushka. The Mi-24 opened its rear door, and the eight-man team prepared to deploy. They threw the rope down so that it hit the ground; then one by one they fast roped down into the freezing woods. The leader, the last to leave the chopper, looked at the pilot. Lieutenant Mark Fuller shivered. He'd never get used to those tattoos around their eyes, even though he knew they wre the good guys.

"Thanks." The commando leader had to yell to be heard above the rotors and the icy wind. He lowered his goggles and attached his shroud, to protect his face from the cold. He grabbed the rope and slid down to the forest to join his waiting team.

Fuller shut the door. The inside of the helicopter suddenly seemed very warm and very quiet. Christ, but those guys are scary, he thought. He hit various buttons and switches, gripped the controls, and flew the chopper back to the Malkyeri lines.

***

Rayan flicked on his radio headset as soon as he was on the ground. He heard the voice of his Second, Rashad, tell him to head east. They've already scattered and hidden. Good men. The seven other Black Eyes were all handpicked, expert snipers and demolitionists. Rayan clutched his M4 to his chest and crept silently through the woods.

After about two mnutes of searching, he paused and pointed his rifle at a cluster of bushes.

"I see you, Rashad."

"Damn it, how?" Rashad laughed.

Rayan grinned, though you couldn't tell because of the shroud covering his face. "Rashad, shrubbery don't scratch its ass." The other men laughed. He joined them inside a cluster of trees, where the wind wasn't quite so bad. He used the barrel of his rifle to sketch a crude map in the snow.

"Ok, here's our objective. Pushkan capital of Moscovi. It's pretty far away, and needless to say, the weather is less than pleasent. Here's the plan. We're going to head through these woods and then..."

***

Official Press Release
A Parliamentry review board today addressed the issue of the war in Pushka. The congress of elected officials and nobles voted (288-247) to end the war as soon as practical. Currently, army groups of the Kingdom hold swathes of territory within Pushka, and though it has not happened yet, a signifigant counterattack is believed to be in the works. The king has issued a statement concerning the withdrawal from combat operations.

"We have many commitments and obligations around the world. Our army cannot solve every crisis, though it pains me to admit it. We currently have numerous troops deployed in Pushka, Shadowship, and our own troubled province of Tremain. In light of recent developments, it has come to my attention that we must prioritize the fires we fight. Though I personally feel the human rights issue in Pushka takes precedence, I must consider other factors as well. In Shadowship, our troops are greeted with open arms. In Pushka, they in constant danger of freezing to death. It is for this among other reasons that I have made the decision to ask Pushka for a cessation of hostilies. I am willing to pay reparations for any private property destroyed by our military, on the condition that our troops be allowed to leave the country. To Pushka and her citizens, I have this to say. Your determination and patriotism is admirable. I still feel that my duty is unfufilled, and should you require help of any kind in the future, you have but to ask and we shall aid.

Thank you."

Looking very tired, the King left the podium and retired to his chambers to discuss matters with top political and military advisors.

An officer ran into General Patapov's office. General Patapov was commander of special army forces which were apart of Pushka's first army. Officer who ran into General's office stopped 2 meters away from general's desk and saluted him. General looked at him.

Gen.: What are the news?
Officer: Malkayer is pulling out.
Gen.: I already know that, is that all?
Officer: We have 8 men of Malkaryan army surrounded in the forest. They were moving towards the capitol, after the official statement about the pull out.
Gen.: Hmm, capture them, they may have lsot contact with HQs and did not receive a command to abort their mission. Anyways it would be better for everyone if we just capture them.
Officer: Yes comrade general.

Officer left, he hand picked 50 most combat experienced men for that mission. Mission was to capture Malkalyerian soldiers alive. Officer made sure that his soldiers knew the location better then they knew their own five fingers. Machine guns sorrounded the forest to prevent the escape of the Malkeryan's. Troops were standing by with stingers to take out helecopters if needed. Pushkan soldiers moved into the forest.

--meanwhile in Kremlin, Moscovi, President Ivan V. Mishin is making a statement about Malkayer's pull out--

Ivan: This is a great victory my brothers and sisters. This means that our people are strong enough to survive. I send to King of Malkayer a message of freindship. We are happy that you made a wise decision not to attack us. I believe this to be a possibility of great alliance between our nations, maybe not know, for you have your own matters to attend and we still have enemies trying to challenge strength of our people, but in the future we might become allies.

One part of war has ended but another one begins. It is not yet time to lay down your arms and go back to your families. Your motherland still calls for you, and i know that each one of you will answer that call. Hostile nation of Crimsdale is still a big threat, and we must protect ourselves, our allies are plentiful and strong, we are developing new weapons day by day we are fighting for a just cause. Stay strong comrades, the complete victory is not far away.

The Turetelian SOT I, II, and Imperial Assualt Team looked back at a thin 1/2 mile line of fence that symbolized barbed wire and a no-mans land. TSF Operatives (only around 37) were accompanied by a the SOT Teams, only 1,136 people held a line that surrounded the enemy forces between a retreat that was now blocked (but very poorly) and the Interior of Pushka. They were going to take down the tanks that had opened up on their position only moments ago. They were at first under the impression that they were firing at the ground, but when a shell ripped into a grove of trees and shot pieces of trees everywhere they were no longer as sure. At first they had orders from High Command to hold the position and ensure that the opposing forces could get back freely, but now they were unsure of what to do. They had put up the neutral Turetelian Flag (Under war the flag commonly has a black section in place of one of the other three colors) and were still unsure of what to do. The commanding officier was 2-star General Richter Sil and order an artillery shell hit the tanks. It is unsure whether it hit or was even fired but the position was shot at once again, then they figured out what was happening. They weren't being shot at on purpose, the opponents did not know that they were there. Clovian General Earl Watson appeared on Scene 20 minutes later and opened up all Radio Comlinks and requested a simple message:
"If anyone, anyone is out there please respond now, before our forces open fire onto your position."...

OOC: In short term: Mal. you are surrounded and the forces at the position are unsure if you really wish to retreat, due to the 8 forces in the forest, and the senseless fire at them.

The position has been reinforced with the 101st Airbourne Division bringing the number up to 13,000 from remote paratrooper/vehicle operations.

The Turetelian SOT I, II, and Imperial Assualt Team looked back at a thin 1/2 mile line of fence that symbolized barbed wire and a no-mans land. TSF Operatives (only around 37) were accompanied by a the SOT Teams, only 1,136 people held a line that surrounded the enemy forces between a retreat that was now blocked (but very poorly) and the Interior of Pushka. They were going to take down the tanks that had opened up on their position only moments ago. They were at first under the impression that they were firing at the ground, but when a shell ripped into a grove of trees and shot pieces of trees everywhere they were no longer as sure. At first they had orders from High Command to hold the position and ensure that the opposing forces could get back freely, but now they were unsure of what to do. They had put up the neutral Turetelian Flag (Under war the flag commonly has a black section in place of one of the other three colors) and were still unsure of what to do. The commanding officier was 2-star General Richter Sil and order an artillery shell hit the tanks. It is unsure whether it hit or was even fired but the position was shot at once again, then they figured out what was happening. They weren't being shot at on purpose, the opponents did not know that they were there. Clovian General Earl Watson appeared on Scene 20 minutes later and opened up all Radio Comlinks and requested a simple message:
"If anyone, anyone is out there please respond now, before our forces open fire onto your position."...

OOC: In short term: Mal. you are surrounded and the forces at the position are unsure if you really wish to retreat, due to the 8 forces in the forest, and the senseless fire at them.

The position has been reinforced with the 101st Airbourne Division bringing the number up to 13,000 from remote paratrooper/vehicle operations.


OOC: No worries, i am capturing those 8 soldiers alive. I can handle that on my own.

My situation is different, I am at the furthest southern border. Where his tanks have stalled, where my men are resisting the urge to attack due to the fact that we are unsure if it intentional or accidental.

My situation is different, I am at the furthest southern border. Where is tanks have stalled, where my men are resisting the urge to attack due to the fact that we are unsure if it intentional or accidental.

OOC: Okay then, its all good.

OCC: Alright, I sent the maps to both email adresses.

can you send one to me?

mr.kuzmich@gmail.com

I need to edit it and put all the cities on it.

Once again Clovian Watson spoke into the open Comlink," If their is anyone at all respond, or you will be fired upon!" His face went from hope to a growl, seemingly, he was not happy, not happy at all.

"Rayan, Pushkan and Turetelian troops have surrounded the forest!" Rashad's voice cracled through the radio.

Dammit, he thought. He had to get his men away. If they were killed, that was bad. If they were captured, that would be infinitely worse. Not a problem, he thought. Black Eyes were all able to stop their hearts at will, a skill they needed so that they could not be tortured and give information that could compromise the safety of the King or the nation. No one ever expected they'd have to use in battle.

"Everyone, disperse! Melt into the shadows. Safety in silence, life in shadow. We will rendezvous at Camp Six. Go."

As the men vanished into the woods, eight voices recited the Oath:

"We're the last descendants
In the line of valiant soldiers
Die for the blackbird nation
We're the chosen ones
We're a tribe of unsung glory
We are the fallen angels."

In less than fifteen seconds, the voices faded into radio silence, and there was no sign they'd ever been in the thicket except for the crude map in the snow. The wind would take care of that, hopefully before the enemy arrived.

The map was left, and a few surprises for when the enemy came into the forest.

OCC-Does this mean you don't need my support?

OCC-Does this mean you don't need my support?

OOC: Yes we do, just not against Malkayer. There are still otehr enemies, Crimsdale and ONI Concordiat.

"Rayan, Pushkan and Turetelian troops have surrounded the forest!" Rashad's voice cracled through the radio.

Dammit, he thought. He had to get his men away. If they were killed, that was bad. If they were captured, that would be infinitely worse. Not a problem, he thought. Black Eyes were all able to stop their hearts at will, a skill they needed so that they could not be tortured and give information that could compromise the safety of the King or the nation. No one ever expected they'd have to use in battle.

"Everyone, disperse! Melt into the shadows. Safety in silence, life in shadow. We will rendezvous at Camp Six. Go."

As the men vanished into the woods, eight voices recited the Oath:

"We're the last descendants
In the line of valiant soldiers
Die for the blackbird nation
We're the chosen ones
We're a tribe of unsung glory
We are the fallen angels."

In less than fifteen seconds, the voices faded into radio silence, and there was no sign they'd ever been in the thicket except for the crude map in the snow. The wind would take care of that, hopefully before the enemy arrived.

The map was left, and a few surprises for when the enemy came into the forest.

Pushkan troops came in but did not find any men exept for the map on the snow and few traps which were easily disarmed. Officer reported to the general.

Gen: Send in the forensics team, tell them to collect the DNA samples.

once officer left, General reported to the president.

"President Ivan V. Mishin's adress concerning the incident in the Bolgan forest."

President: We have pictures of an Mi-24 helecopter covered with marks of Malkayerian armed forces, drop off 8 men into the forest area and Malkayer denies any knowledge. That is not an act of freind. Until this matter is clarified Malkayer is still to be considered our enemy. I repear Malkayer is still our enemy until they release the information concerning this incident. We have DNA samples of 3 of those men, it is only the matter of time till we know who they are. You with holding this information is a compromise of Pushkan security. Until you tell those men to surrender themselves to the first patrol of allied forces, you are still our enemy and will be treated as such. You are almost completely surrounded, you are outnumbered, and at the tactical and strategic disadvantage, i suggest you tell us what we want to know and quickly or your men will have to pay for the failure of your gov't.

OOC: how did you get DNA samples, and how did you disarm or even find the traps? For that matter, how did you know the traps would be there?

OOC: how did you get DNA samples, and how did you disarm or even find the traps? For that matter, how did you know the traps would be there?

OOC: We send were prepared and send a team of engeneers, that is our standard action in this situation. As for DNA, small fragments of skin and hair fall off all the time. But seriously if you are planning an assasination attempt, how come you think it will work? Better question is how did your troops escape a fully surrounded forest without killing anyone or getting themselves killed. No matter how skilled they were if they couldn't dodge bullets coming out of machine guns, they'd be dead. Besides pictures are justification enough for me. Your troops aren't going anythere but graves until you tell me what this is all about and tell your men to surrender themselves.

OOC: bits of skin and hair do fall off all the time. But do you know how utterly impossible it would be to find a strand of hair in the woods while it was snowing? Second, they're wrapped in a lot of clothing to protect them from the cold. All of their skin is covered, as well as their hair. And that's a conservative estimate. And who says they've left the forest? I'm sure it's not a tiny forest. They're Special Forces, part of their reason for existence is to create confusion and fear, and do things regular soldiers can't.

IC:
The military tirbunal had begun with the traditional prayers, oaths, and proper ceremony. Now the judge, Colonel John Maxwell, began to question the man on trial.

"Lieutenant Mark Fuller, you flew an Mi-24 helicopter on a reconissance mission shortly before dawn yesterday, correct?"

"Yes, sir."

"Were there other men onboard the chopper with you? Besides your copilot."

"No, sir. Just me and James."

"What do you say in response to the Pushkan accusations that you dropped a special forces team into a forest near their capital?"

"I guess I'd have to say they're wrong, sir. A Hind simply doesn't have the ability to carry ten men that far, stay on station to deploy them, and then fly back to friendly territory."

"I see. Recess. The court will reconvene as soon as I see fit. I will then finish questioning Mr. Fuller and then interrogate his copilot, Mr. O'Brien."

OOC: bits of skin and hair do fall off all the time. But do you know how utterly impossible it would be to find a strand of hair in the woods while it was snowing? Second, they're wrapped in a lot of clothing to protect them from the cold. All of their skin is covered, as well as their hair. And that's a conservative estimate. And who says they've left the forest? I'm sure it's not a tiny forest. They're Special Forces, part of their reason for existence is to create confusion and fear, and do things regular soldiers can't.

IC:
The military tirbunal had begun with the traditional prayers, oaths, and proper ceremony. Now the judge, Colonel John Maxwell, began to question the man on trial.

"Lieutenant Mark Fuller, you flew an Mi-24 helicopter on a reconissance mission shortly before dawn yesterday, correct?"

"Yes, sir."

"Were there other men onboard the chopper with you? Besides your copilot."

"No, sir. Just me and James."

"What do you say in response to the Pushkan accusations that you dropped a special forces team into a forest near their capital?"

"I guess I'd have to say they're wrong, sir. A Hind simply doesn't have the ability to carry ten men that far, stay on station to deploy them, and then fly back to friendly territory."

"I see. Recess. The court will reconvene as soon as I see fit. I will then finish questioning Mr. Fuller and then interrogate his copilot, Mr. O'Brien."

OOC: Oh they haven't left the forest? Its alright then. As for finding a strand of hair, it is easier then you think. About 200 forensics with portable high powered, hand held vaccums just searched the area around he map. They didn't have to see it with their eyes as long as the vaccum collected them.

"President Ivan V. Mishin in a personnal call to leader of Malkayer"

President: Here is the deal, i will not attack your positions in Pushka until this thing is cleared out, but neither will i let your troops leave. As we speak parts of my 1st and second armies are creating a tight cage around your troops. If you try to use tanks our allies will crush them with their air force and then we just take out the rest of your troops which are greately outnumbered and are cut off from their supply rout. My secretery just sent your court a copy of the pictures taken by our suveirlance helecopter. We will keep searching the forest. If you don't do anything then we burn the forest down, and bomb the ashes. Even if we kill your men their dead bodies will still proove that we are right. Just tell your men to turn themselves in, thats the best you can do for your armed forces stuck in Pushka, right now.

OOC: I didn't say they haven't left the forest. I just said they might not have. But really, 200 guys with vacuums? What about the dirt, leaves, and other debris? It would take days to sort through it all. Even if they don't have to see the hair to vacuum it up, they still have to see it to find it from the vacuumed stuff.

IC:
I agree to your deal, Mr. President. However, I must be frank with you. I have no personal knowledge of any men within the forest. It is possible that someone ordered them into the forest without my permission, if they are indeed there. Maybe they were afraid of reprimand for acting without my consent and that's why they haven't given up yet. Oh, and as for surrounding my armies, I should let you know that we don't like to have our backs against a wall. 360,000 pissed of soldiers are not fun to be around.

Watson smiled slowly, but surely," Bomb the hell out of them, those tanks must be destroyed. Tell the 4003rd to attack now, hit all known and unknown post within range. Those damn Special Operatives may be alive, I don't know, but I have orders from Jackson to kill anyone that gets in our way." (Now into the Comlink):"Times up Tank Commanders, also to all forces listening, an attack will commence with a goal to destroy and disrupt your forces, leaving no survivors unless the Special Operatives give themselves up, and by that I mean make it known that they are in the forest and show themselves, if they kill themselves afterwards, fine!"

From Jackson's Office in Turetel:
Pushka, comrade, I am sorry that we are launching an attack, but with no response it is our only option to destroy whatever we can in hopes of forcing the knowledge of these forces. TSF Agents are also moving into range of the border of Malkyer, in order to begin some searching. Also, I am pledging another 130,000 forces under the command of Clovis Fragil (Fre-gal), also known as the 92nd Marine Detachment. (please note that this message is only seen by Pushka, Malkyer technically knows its here but can't use any contents of this message seen here).

Also, the 5th Bomber Wing is ready to bomb the border at a moments notice, please be advised if Long Ranged Balkan Bombers appear overhead.

Best of Luck,
Head of Forces, Jackson McAbb

OOC: Please note that this situation can easily be called off (as I have just about begun shelling the Stalled tanks), with a Comlink message of neutrality.

OOC: What leaves? What debree? This is winter. Besides we might still be collecting and i am just saying that we already got DNA evidence to scare you and make you do rush, stupid decisions. But you never know.

Watson smiled slowly, but surely," Bomb the hell out of them, those tanks must be destroyed. Tell the 4003rd to attack now, hit all known and unknown post within range. Those damn Special Operatives may be alive, I don't know, but I have orders from Jackson to kill anyone that gets in our way." (Now into the Comlink):"Times up Tank Commanders, also to all forces listening, an attack will commence with a goal to destroy and disrupt your forces, leaving no survivors unless the Special Operatives give themselves up, and by that I mean make it known that they are in the forest and show themselves, if they kill themselves afterwards, fine!"


From Jackson's Office in Turetel:
Pushka, comrade, I am sorry that we are launching an attack, but with no response it is our only option to destroy whatever we can in hopes of forcing the knowledge of these forces. TSF Agents are also moving into range of the border of Malkyer, in order to begin some searching. Also, I am pledging another 130,000 forces under the command of Clovis Fragil (Fre-gal), also known as the 92nd Marine Detachment. (please note that this message is only seen by Pushka, Malkyer technically knows its here but can't use any contents of this message seen here).

Also, the 5th Bomber Wing is ready to bomb the border at a moments notice, please be advised if Long Ranged Balkan Bombers appear overhead.

Best of Luck,
Head of Forces, Jackson McAbb

OOC: Please note that this situation can easily be called off (as I have just about begun shelling the Stalled tanks), with a Comlink message of neutrality.

I agree with your actions. I would do the same, i was actually just preparing to but decided to give Malkayer a chance out of generosity, however he did not do what was asked of him so it is time to take action. If there is no one in this forest as Malkayer claims then all we loose is some bombs, if there are Malkayerian special forces in the area then we might be interfering with our enemie's plan to take over Pushka.

Rayan worked quickly to decode the message from the King.

Rayan, where the hell are you?

He typed into the transceiver:

You don't know? Pushka, where you ordered me.

I never gave any such order. I think we've been betrayed, friend.

Damn. What are your orders?

Turetel has given orders to attack our troops still in Pushka. He says he won't if you give yourselves up.

Do you want us to do so, sir?

Yes.

It hurts my soil, m'lord. I have Rashad and Damril with me. Yuldul froze to death. We hid his body. I don't know where the others are.

Surrender yourselves. I'll talk to the enemy leadership.

With all due respect sir, I'd rather die.

That attitude is treason, Rayan. I need you and your men alive. Do the oaths chafe already?

Never, m'lord. Give me fifteen minutes to try and find the others, then we'll give ourselves up and...surrender.

***

Comanelle sat in front of a computer in the Department of Defense, where Fuller's trial was going on. Hmm...so Mark Fuller has connections to the Communist Party and the Peace Party? That would explainso many things...If my hunch is correct. I have to talk to Fuller.

The guard open the door to Fuller's cell. Comanelle ducked his head as he entered, then straightened to face Fuller.

"Mark, it seems there may be quite a conspiracy involving both the Peace and Communist Parties, with you at the center. Care to tell me about it?" He could see from the expression on Fuller's face that he'd struck a nerve. Sweat droplets started to form on the prisoner's forehead.

***

An hour and half later, Comanelle stepped into the office of the King.

"My lord, you may find this interesting," and he proceeded to relay Fuller's story.

***

Official Address To Pushkan and Turetelian Governments
It seems we have found the truth behind the incident concerning the men in the forest. It seems there is a convoluted conspiracy to discredit our military and overthrow the government of Malkyer. Two of our political parties, the Communist and Peace parties (who goals are the dissolution of the monarchy and the army, respectively) joined together and forged orders for our elite special forces to assassinate the leader of Pushkan. I don't have to tell you the negative sentiment this would create not just in Malkyer, but in the entire world. The monarchy would've almost certainly been dissolved, and the military severely limited in both numbers and ability to act. Pilot Mark Fuller was in on this conspiracy, and indeed carried the Black Eyes to the forest. In accordance with our laws, he will be hanged at sunset this evening. Seven of the Black Eyes are alive (the other having frozen to death), and will surrender as soon as they are all together. As a condition for this surrender, all forces of Pushka and Turetel are asked to stand down and cease their plans for attack against the armies of Malkyer. Thank you, gentlemen.

Rayan worked quickly to decode the message from the King.

Rayan, where the hell are you?

He typed into the transceiver:

You don't know? Pushka, where you ordered me.

I never gave any such order. I think we've been betrayed, friend.

Damn. What are your orders?

Turetel has given orders to attack our troops still in Pushka. He says he won't if you give yourselves up.

Do you want us to do so, sir?

Yes.

It hurts my soil, m'lord. I have Rashad and Damril with me. Yuldul froze to death. We hid his body. I don't know where the others are.

Surrender yourselves. I'll talk to the enemy leadership.

With all due respect sir, I'd rather die.

That attitude is treason, Rayan. I need you and your men alive. Do the oaths chafe already?

Never, m'lord. Give me fifteen minutes to try and find the others, then we'll give ourselves up and...surrender.

***

Comanelle sat in front of a computer in the Department of Defense, where Fuller's trial was going on. Hmm...so Mark Fuller has connections to the Communist Party and the Peace Party? That would explainso many things...If my hunch is correct. I have to talk to Fuller.

The guard open the door to Fuller's cell. Comanelle ducked his head as he entered, then straightened to face Fuller.

"Mark, it seems there may be quite a conspiracy involving both the Peace and Communist Parties, with you at the center. Care to tell me about it?" He could see from the expression on Fuller's face that he'd struck a nerve. Sweat droplets started to form on the prisoner's forehead.

***

An hour and half later, Comanelle stepped into the office of the King.

"My lord, you may find this interesting," and he proceeded to relay Fuller's story.

***

Official Address To Pushkan and Turetelian Governments
It seems we have found the truth behind the incident concerning the men in the forest. It seems there is a convoluted conspiracy to discredit our military and overthrow the government of Malkyer. Two of our political parties, the Communist and Peace parties (who goals are the dissolution of the monarchy and the army, respectively) joined together and forged orders for our elite special forces to assassinate the leader of Pushkan. I don't have to tell you the negative sentiment this would create not just in Malkyer, but in the entire world. The monarchy would've almost certainly been dissolved, and the military severely limited in both numbers and ability to act. Pilot Mark Fuller was in on this conspiracy, and indeed carried the Black Eyes to the forest. In accordance with our laws, he will be hanged at sunset this evening. Seven of the Black Eyes are alive (the other having frozen to death), and will surrender as soon as they are all together. As a condition for this surrender, all forces of Pushka and Turetel are asked to stand down and cease their plans for attack against the armies of Malkyer. Thank you, gentlemen.


"President Ivan V. Mishin's official respose."

President: I am glad that this has been resolved. Your special forces have already surrendered and are now put in Borodino military prison few kilometers outside Moscovi. They are treated as refugees rather then POWs, they are unharmed and have been given proper care. We will hold them imprisoned for a month in order to use them as witnesses in our own investigation. After that month is over we will let them go. I hope that this will be a begging of eternal peace between our nations. For your armies are free to go. I would ask my ally Tertel to cease the unneeded firing upon Malkaryan tanks. Four hundred thousand men of Pushkan first army are opening a gap in their lines for Malkaryan troops to exit. If you need help with removal of tanks which are still stuck with frozen fuell, we would be happy to provide the fuel you need.

We must all unite to face a much greater threat, threat of Crimsdale.

No, I don't need fuel for my tanks. I thank you for allowing my troops to leave. Indeed, I do hope our nations become friends, and that you forgive me for my rash actions.

OOC: on the bright side, nobody of your actually died because you never posted losses or a counterattack :D . And do you want me to RP my spec ops guys during your investigation or not? either way's fine with me as long as they get home safe and sound and all that good stuff.

The Turetelian Commander heard the news and started running full speed toward the tanks. He ran up and shook a mans hand and told other forces to bring food, water, and some warm blankets and gear. The man looked half dead (not to say he probably wasn't in the cold), the forces exchanged sentiments and congratulations, 1 loss during the entire war (or this part) and it was due to a guy freezing to death. A party took place that night, with a large fire and several thousand men, a gaint fiesta that could be heard from miles around. And the frozen tank commander got his anti-freeze.

OOC: Malkyer, I hope our nations can become good friends. And sorry about your Spec. Ops. causualty.

To the nations: From Jackson McAbb:
Hell is a scary place indeed, and today, it was only half of strings strand away from breaking loose. I would like to congratulate the Malkyer forces for having the courage not to fire upon our men, even though the threat was made, and the Turetelian Forces and Pushkan's for having the courage to wait... The war is yet to finish and only we can work it out diplomaticly.

Corporal Hans Hollern laughed at one of the Turetelian's jokes. It was hard to belief that they'd been prepared to kill each other just a few minutes before. The Turetelians had brought what seemed like tons of food and blankets. They'd clearly overestimated the Malkyeri ability to survive in the cold. Anyway, the fire was nice, and the different food was pretty good too. He was happy he hadn't had to kill these guys. They weren't so bad after all. One of them had even brought him antifreeze for his tank.

Official Communique from Dayan I
I wish to open diplomatic negotiations with Pushka and Turetel to end hostilities between our nations. Let me know if this is agreeable.

Corporal Hans Hollern has been awarded the Turetelian Foreign Ensign of Honor (The highest rank bestowed upon any foreign soldier). Several others have also been awarded ranks (unlisted though).

I believe this shows that we are truly on good terms.

Corporal Hans Hollern laughed at one of the Turetelian's jokes. It was hard to belief that they'd been prepared to kill each other just a few minutes before. The Turetelians had brought what seemed like tons of food and blankets. They'd clearly overestimated the Malkyeri ability to survive in the cold. Anyway, the fire was nice, and the different food was pretty good too. He was happy he hadn't had to kill these guys. They weren't so bad after all. One of them had even brought him antifreeze for his tank.

Official Communique from Dayan I
I wish to open diplomatic negotiations with Pushka and Turetel to end hostilities between our nations. Let me know if this is agreeable.

OOC: No need to RP for your guys, i am too lazy to think of anything useful so lets say that after a month of intense, non-violent asking, and asking, and asking and asking, your soldiers did not reaveal any information and were sent home, i'd give it two real time days, but maybe it can all be sped up at this diplomatic convention we gonna be having.

I agree with your desire to open diplomatic negotiations. If there is a meeting then i will send a representative to it, or attend myself.

--meanwhile--

As Tureterian forces and Malkaryan forces celebrate so do Pushkan forces. Numerous bottles of vodka and barrels of salted onions are appearing in the Pushkan army camps. Singing can be heard coming out of the camps. General Plotinov (commander of 1st army) who decided to go and meet commander of his former enemie's army, he heard one of the songs coming from Pushkan camps.

"Oi to nevecher, to nevecher
Oi da molim malo spalosi
Oi da molim malo spalosi
Ai da vosne previdelosi..."

He stopeed for a second and then continued on his way singing that song to himself.

"Veter zbil moiu chernu shapku
Smaiei buinoi golovi..."

Finally he reached the Malkaryan camp and shook hands with Turetelian and Malkaryan commanders. A bottle of Stolychnaya vodka appeared out of his coat pocket.

Gen. Plotinov (spoken in English with Russian accent): Shall we celebrate?

Corporal Hollern had an enormous grin on his face after receiving the award from the Turetelians. Then he straightened his face as he saw a new visitor and looked at the Turetelian commander.

"Sir," he said, saluting, "General Malithan, commander of the Malkyeri Army Group North."

The General nodded to Hollern and saluted to the Turetelian commander.

"I presume you're the one in charge here? I've been ordered by the King to thank you for your help, what with the supplies and food. Also, I'm supposed to thank you for not killing us and instead holding back. So, I hereby grant you the Iron Star Third Degree. The Iron Star is the highest honor I can bestow upon a foreign soldier," he said as he handed the medal to the officer.

OOC to Pushka: cool. should we have it in a new thread or keep it in here?

Corporal Hollern had an enormous grin on his face after receiving the award from the Turetelians. Then he straightened his face as he saw a new visitor and looked at the Turetelian commander.

"Sir," he said, saluting, "General Malithan, commander of the Malkyeri Army Group North."

The General nodded to Hollern and saluted to the Turetelian commander.

"I presume you're the one in charge here? I've been ordered by the King to thank you for your help, what with the supplies and food. Also, I'm supposed to thank you for not killing us and instead holding back. So, I hereby grant you the Iron Star Third Degree. The Iron Star is the highest honor I can bestow upon a foreign soldier," he said as he handed the medal to the officer.

OOC to Pushka: cool. should we have it in a new thread or keep it in here?

OOC: Lets keep it here.

2 Star General Richter looked at the medal, saluted the General of the North and pointed over to an aid, only a Corporal, and said," He is the one you should salute, he is the one you should thank, (in a low voice) give him the medal." The Corporal leapt up off the floor, playing cards with a Malkyer and Pushkan and saluted quickly and sharply. He tried to fight a grin, but it burst out as he thanked the Turetelian General and the Northern Army General.

Diplomatic Relations would be great. And better yet, your will have the 2 of the 3 greatest Turetelian Leaders at the meeting, the Head of Forces and Earl Watson!

I will send our prime menister Mihail G. Bobrov and our head of armed forces Oleg O. Leptunov.

OOC: King Dayan himself will attend, but I might not post again for awhile so forgive me if I'm late.

2 Star General Richter went down the path, to the bottom of a small hill, took out a phone, and called in an air strike on his own forces. 3 Clovian General Earl Watson was over in the area to with a Pushka and Malkyer Officers talking about their war experiences and past dreams. They flanked the post as Watson called Jackson to cancel the orders, or hell would come for several hundred thousand. The Pushka Officer jumped up and with a pistol in his hand ordered Richter to step down as the Malkyer Officier was coming up behind in a very stealth like manner. Watson stuck his head out and saw someting he had seen hundreds of times, but never like this. Richter told the Pushka Officer to back away or Watson got it. The Malkyer Officer let out a roar as he charged Richter. Richter shot 3 shots at the Malkyerian, missing each time as they all tackled Richter, who grabbed a grenade and smiled. As he threw it three feet in between them all he saw was a simple panic in the eyes of them all, as the Pushka officer jumped on the grenade and waited, it never came, as he got up he saw the it was a dud, thank god. At the same time Lt. Col. Mirahil Champil and 3 other Officers came up and forced the Richter General to his feet, uttering, you have ceeded your rights to the Turetelian Gov't, anything you do will be used against you. You will be tried in all 3 systems and executed if any one system declares an execution.

I will send Head of Commerce and of the 74th Infantry, Earl Watson, and Head of Forces Jackson McAbb. The Corporal that was awarded the medal is also coming.

Jackson formally thanks Pushka Officer who risked his life for Watson and the Malkyer Officer.

OOC: I too may not post much, I have no time (sunday) except in the morning and will soon stop my posting due to other reasons needing my attention.

I will send Head of Commerce and of the 74th Infantry, Earl Watson, and Head of Forces Jackson McAbb. The Corporal that was awarded the medal is also coming.

Jackson formally thanks Pushka Officer who risked his life for Watson and the Malkyer Officer.

OOC: I too may not post much, I have no time (sunday) except in the morning and will soon stop my posting due to other reasons needing my attention.

OOC: Will you be able to post on monday? Cause Crimsdale is coming and i can't handle him.

OOC: Yeah, afternoon for me (I have work I got to do). Trust me, we can finish him, all of combined can deal him a severe blow.

2 Star General Richter went down the path, to the bottom of a small hill, took out a phone, and called in an air strike on his own forces. 3 Clovian General Earl Watson was over in the area to with a Pushka and Malkyer Officers talking about their war experiences and past dreams. They flanked the post as Watson called Jackson to cancel the orders, or hell would come for several hundred thousand. The Pushka Officer jumped up and with a pistol in his hand ordered Richter to step down as the Malkyer Officier was coming up behind in a very stealth like manner. Watson stuck his head out and saw someting he had seen hundreds of times, but never like this. Richter told the Pushka Officer to back away or Watson got it. The Malkyer Officer let out a roar as he charged Richter. Richter shot 3 shots at the Malkyerian, missing each time as they all tackled Richter, who grabbed a grenade and smiled. As he threw it three feet in between them all he saw was a simple panic in the eyes of them all, as the Pushka officer jumped on the grenade and waited, it never came, as he got up he saw the it was a dud, thank god. At the same time Lt. Col. Mirahil Champil and 3 other Officers came up and forced the Richter General to his feet, uttering, you have ceeded your rights to the Turetelian Gov't, anything you do will be used against you. You will be tried in all 3 systems and executed if any one system declares an execution.

General Platinov was the one who jumped on the grenade. After the rebel was captured Platinov kicked him in the stomach and he fell on his knees. After that Platinov spit in his face

Gen. Platinov: Who are you?! Who are you working?!

General, I believe the Malkyer and I (the Turetel) have to thank you greatly for putting yourself in such risk, I will interrogate him severly.

OOC: Logging off for now, might check back soon.

OOC: Yeah, afternoon for me (I have work I got to do). Trust me, we can finish him, all of combined can deal him a severe blow.

OOC: Alright thats cool, i am not be able to post much either next week. Got exams and shit like that. I have to memorize locations of all 32 slavic tribes and will probably have to reflect on their significance on Russian history. Last year of school sucks. Plus work, yeah man i can relate.

General, I believe the Malkyer and I (the Turetel) have to thank you greatly for putting yourself in such risk, I will interrogate him severly.

OOC: Logging off for now, might check back soon.

Gen. Platinov: Please do. If he was in my army he'd be hanging from a tree right now, that son of a bitch.

"Gen platinov took a big seep straight out of vodka bottle."

OOC: Will you be able to post on monday? Cause Crimsdale is coming and i can't handle him.

OOC: that's what orbital I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons are for. just kidding. I won't officially fight Crimsdale, but I can conviently place my neutral forces between you and him.

OOC: that's what orbital I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons are for. just kidding. I won't officially fight Crimsdale, but I can conviently place my neutral forces between you and him.

Between us, that would be great.

OOC: that's what orbital I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons are for. just kidding. I won't officially fight Crimsdale, but I can conviently place my neutral forces between you and him.

That would be just dandy. Did i say that right? Anyways, i am developing some cool new guns, they should be in production by monday, plus on monday my airforce is gonna be around 400 Mig-35s and 300 SU-47s, we'll take him.

OCC-I am glad to see the spirt of friendship. But beware, the real threat has not been taken care of. I will post the deployments momentarily. But first could someone send me the map of Pushka?

Glad to see you turned the other cheek Malkyer. I didn't want to have to blow your forces off the map (which I still don't have).

I too, will be busy with exams most of next week.

OCC-I am glad to see the spirt of friendship. But beware, the real threat has not been taken care of. I will post the deployments momentarily. But first could someone send me the map of Pushka?

Glad to see you turned the other cheek Malkyer. I didn't want to have to blow your forces off the map (which I still don't have).

I too, will be busy with exams most of next week.

OOC: Give me your email and i'll send you the map

mrwoggles@gmail.com

Just between you two (so anyone else that sees this can't use it or anything listed in it for any ideas at all without my general consent) I have developed some interesting technologies that my military and civilians already use, but I am sure you two wouldn't mind using them as well.

First, Air Propelsion, requires next to nothing to use, just uses compressed air to propel any object, tanks even, and are run off of Cold Fusion (Another Invention) creating an enviromentally sound tank with little sound generated. Also good for civil cars, trains, space equipment getting into space, etc. etc. Cold Fusion alone though is good enough for the tanks, planes, ships, motorized vehicles, etc. etc. It is encased in Bambim (a recently discovered Metallic Substance on our Perodic Table now) and can run as silent as a bird outside a window, the perfect stealth tank. Even though it is an unstable process, Bambim can prevent many accidents and produce tanks that only fear not getting across some obstacle.

The next more military one is the Balkan/Xilian/Rolanese (BXR) Revolutionary Class Weapons (also refered to as Revolution Weapons). The Balkan/Xilian Modification allows for Artillery and Howitzers (in the general category of the two) to take any kind of weapon size, even normal pistol shots. How, it automatically adjust to the weapon size being fired and produces a very powerful, multipurpose post, for ex. Charging a lone Artillery piece can be rather easy, but when you add a Machine Gun rounds to it, its suicide to try. The Rolanese addition makes it two fold, one for Any weapon greater then 10mm in the BX Class Cannon, while the R-Class allows for the other forms of normally used guns.

Another more military group is the Balkan Destroyer Class (BDC) Weapons. A few of these are unrealistic for nations of smaller sizes to make, but they can include, anti-tank/air/naval/infantry gun (Weighs about 79lbs. with ammunition in it) and is good for taking just about anything down. (Aircrafts are mainly helicopters or nonmoving jets). This orginal gun is desgined with 6 Air Propelled Special Claymores that can be attached to 10 Air Propelled Grenades or fired seperately (so can the grenades). It has normal clips of 30 Shot per Round, put usually aren't used. Great for special forces.

BLAR (Balkan Light Assualt Rifle)-Fires 800 Rounds a Minute, with 1 Clip Consisting of 1000 Rounds. These can literally take down a tank by wearing down treads if visible, and are highly accurate. Only problem, the bullets consist of a light substance that has an effective range of 50 Yards, and commonly breaks up in the air at 35-40 yds. Great for Urban Fighting.

Xilianese Heavy Sniper Rifle- The Ammunition is 5 Inches Long by 1 Inch tall. It is meant to be able to pierce light tank armour in 5 shots, which is what its clip consist of. It weighs a lot though (139 lbs loaded) and is usually only good for strong snipers.

Turetelian Water Pistol- Great for non-lethal attacks, this weapon is favoured among special forces as it can knock out targets from 80 yards away with high powered water shots (really only effective at 20-40 yards).

Turetelian Sedative Pistol- When you want to make someone look dead, use this, great interrogative tool, shoot them in the neck, and all who watch hear their scream of pain, the seeming look of blood (its fake) and limpness, only difference, you just knocked them out and struck a nerve with some serum that will make them talk when they wake up.

All of these listed are only known by a few people, and now, mainly you. Please do not tell others of this technology yet, but you may use it.

OOC: something for Pushka and New Mesopotamia to remember: you're still relatively small nations (12 and 153 million repectively). you kept talking about how you were going to destroy me (a 506 million nation). Now, confidence is good, but not arrogance. Pushka, half the reason I was so determined to carry through with my invasion was because I was pissed off OOC-ly because you kept talking about how you were going to destroy my army and slaughter my troops and all that good stuff. A nation of 12 million (while using the 5% rule most NS countries use) can only field a force of 600,000 troops; a 506 million strong nation can field up to 25.3 million soldiers. Just by using 3% of my army I would outnumber yours by more than 150,000. Had Turetel not been there to shift the number balance in your favor, and if my tanks hadn't kept freezing, it would've been completely in my power to destroy you. I don't want to sound mean or condescending, I'm just trying to give some useful advice.

Just thought I'd point that out, so maybe the fight against Crimsdale will be more believable.

And this doesn't have to do with anything, but are you Russian, Pushka?

OCC-I meant your immobile tanks, not your nation. I never had any invasion plans.

OOC: something for Pushka and New Mesopotamia to remember: you're still relatively small nations (12 and 153 million repectively). you kept talking about how you were going to destroy me (a 506 million nation). Now, confidence is good, but not arrogance. Pushka, half the reason I was so determined to carry through with my invasion was because I was pissed off OOC-ly because you kept talking about how you were going to destroy my army and slaughter my troops and all that good stuff. A nation of 12 million (while using the 5% rule most NS countries use) can only field a force of 600,000 troops; a 506 million strong nation can field up to 25.3 million soldiers. Just by using 3% of my army I would outnumber yours by more than 150,000. Had Turetel not been there to shift the number balance in your favor, and if my tanks hadn't kept freezing, it would've been completely in my power to destroy you. I don't want to sound mean or condescending, I'm just trying to give some useful advice.

Just thought I'd point that out, so maybe the fight against Crimsdale will be more believable.

And this doesn't have to do with anything, but are you Russian, Pushka?


OOC: The reason i was so sure about being able to destroy you is the fact taht you use tanks and no air support. Your tanks would be easy to wipe out, besides i didn't expect you to commit fully to war, and that army you sent the first time, yeah i'd destroy it, i had a tricky plan, plus the fact that without air support your tanks are just explosions waiting to happen. Yeah i am Russian.

OOC: Yeah, I see what you mean. But that's making a lot of assumptions, like that I don't have any sort of anti-air defense, etc. Besides, there was about a day between my declaration of war and the ceaase-fire. I didn't really have time to mobilize all my forces.

OOC: Yeah, I see what you mean. But that's making a lot of assumptions, like that I don't have any sort of anti-air defense, etc. Besides, there was about a day between my declaration of war and the ceaase-fire. I didn't really have time to mobilize all my forces.

OOC: Well my plan was to retreat to the city of Volgograd with one half of my 2nd army, which is 200000 men, and fight you inside the city. Because it is an urban area and we already had machine guns and stuff mounted you would suffer heavy looses in infantry and tanks once you attack. After that second half of 2nd Pushkan army, 100000 men would cut off your supply routes. After that still minty fresh 1st army would attack you from behind and finish the job. After that i would take your general hostage and use his life as leverage in our negotiations. I expected you to pull out after that defeat, well theoretically i expected you to not attempt to attack me again. In reality i hoped that my win over a much more powerful nation would bring me allies. But its all good now. As for the size of my army i expected it to be somethere around 6 million, because it was a great patriotic war and volunteer batalions were being created. But once again, we are almost allies, no reason for war talks until Crimsdale shows up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/dawoggles/USSNMpushka1.jpg
Positions, I'll do the RPing part tomorrow if you need it.

Yes. Lets not all get worked up, or not for this ex-war allies. It is true Pushka, that you could literally bolster around 6 Million Forces, but the majority (4.5 Million+) would be locally active forces only. Or acting in smaller areas, not the entire nation. I would anticipate that you really have some 1.5 Million Forces in all that are under a nationwide mobility rate, only 600,000 are under your control, and the rest would be horribly unorganized or stuck at a local level, Crimesdale will be an interesting event, either he won't attack, or he will and we will have much more then 1 fatality during the war (hell, 2 fatalities would double the rate). I am sure though that now this situation can be handled diplomatically, and the fact is that unless Crimesdale has something big planned (just short of a nuclear weapon) it would be hard to win.

The leaders of Rechze, soon realised after sending the beforamentioned public statement pledging to defend Pushka in war, how impulsive they had been. At that time, Rechze was in no stage whatsoever prepared for what would be to come if the war had commenced then and there. The government leaders had convened, and come to the decision, that it was greater to their advantage to deploy forces later and be prepared, rather than at once being utterly unprepared, and thus hesitated to join the small conflict once it had arisen. In this time of hostility, while munitions were plentiful for the force that was to be sent, factories had been set to churn out ammunition at a rapid rate, plans to be able to maintain sufficient nutrition for soldiers were being prepared, as certain resources were allocated towards, the war effort, so that Rechzene forces were not ill-equiped in the face of war.

The declaration of a cease-fire was a definite relief for national leaders, while the threat of Crimsdale still remained, Pushka was in no imminent danger, and any invasion by Crimsdale, would be at such a time that Rechzene forces would be sufficiently prepared. In any case the ministry of defense wished to have supplies and forces deployed prior to an invasion of Crimsdale, in light of not being completely ready.

Soon, Antonov an 124's, mammoths of cargo planes, could be heard thundering in the sky en route to Moscovi, by intention to come back and forth in full numbers until the deployment was complete, being escorted by the air force, and filled with soldiers, vehicles and supplies. succeeding this, the supply planes it had been organised, would make two supply drops per day upon commencement of hostilities, at Moscovi and at Volgograd. The size of the Antonov 124's would enable Rechze to deploy tanks and other large vehicles easily. The entire navy, of five jet-laden Ul'yanovsk Class Aircraft Carriers, and 3 Udaloy-I Class Guided Missile Destroyer, were equally nearing the country, and the air force, with only several jets as permanent supply plane escorts, would arrive with the An 124's upon deployment, and make abode, at the Pushkan airbases, the remainder would arrive upon carrier.

The ground forces, are comprised of two divisions, one of 110,00 troops, and another of 130,00 troops, and the tank used will be T-95's, russian tanks, and thus somewhat better suited to the temperature, than hose of different design.

OOC: I will give armaments, and other details, later, if Crimsdale attacks. However I doubt he will.

OOC: Nice to find an ally again: Our forces can roughly be said as 2.2 Million Literal Fighting Forces, with Pushka civil local arms bringing the number to nearly 7 Million.

Forces Breakdown (Roughly)
Turetel: Roughly 450,000
Rechze: Roughly 250,000
Pushka: Roughly 1.6 Million fighting force, 6+ million civil force.

Pushkan defense council has put 900 million dollars into development and production of 7000 T-95 tanks to be distrebuted to Pushka's newly formed tank divisions.

Here is the lay out of Pushkan armed forces, its gonna be upgraded and the navy is gonna be added in once we have a navy but for right now

1st army-, 400000 men, commander Gen Platinov
2nd army- 400000 men, commander Gen. Makarov
Air force- 15000 men, commanderGen. Nikolai V. Kushinski
Volunteer units- roughly 6 million, no overall commanding officer, decisions are made by either Gen. Platinov or Gen. Makarov or the higest ranking officer currently in the area.

OOC: Sorry for not being around, r/l stuff. Wow, a lot's happened in 2 days or so =/

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Chimaea congratulates Malkyer on the cease fire achieved with Pushka. It is indeed a great step towards a peaceful conclusion to this matter.

We still extend the offer of round-table talks between Pushka and Crimsdale before the situation escalates further.

However, since events have passed a certain point, we will be deploying forces into Pushka. Parts of the Second and Third fleet are expected to arrive soon and air deployments will have arrived.

The Commonwealth will also provide economical aid to Pushka [OOC: what's the state of your economy and your military spending at the moment?].

~Chimaean Foriegn Ministry

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The first military transport planes circled and began the final approach to the Pushkan military airfield outside of the Capital, their heavy grey shapes flying inelegantly into land. The more streamlined Airhawk fighters escorting the planes also landed briefly to refuel before screaming into the skies again on a patrol and surveilance mission.

The transports rolled to a stop and the back ramps lowered. Soldiers trooped out in formation followed by light to medium armour and supplies. Soon convoys were heading away from the airfield to the land provided for the purpose of the first Chimaean base and HQ on Pushkan territory.

OOC: Sorry for not being around, r/l stuff. Wow, a lot's happened in 2 days or so =/

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Chimaea congratulates Malkyer on the cease fire achieved with Pushka. It is indeed a great step towards a peaceful conclusion to this matter.

We still extend the offer of round-table talks between Pushka and Crimsdale before the situation escalates further.

However, since events have passed a certain point, we will be deploying forces into Pushka. Parts of the Second and Third fleet are expected to arrive soon and air deployments will have arrived.

The Commonwealth will also provide economical aid to Pushka [OOC: what's the state of your economy and your military spending at the moment?].

~Chimaean Foriegn Ministry

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The first military transport planes circled and began the final approach to the Pushkan military airfield outside of the Capital, their heavy grey shapes flying inelegantly into land. The more streamlined Airhawk fighters escorting the planes also landed briefly to refuel before screaming into the skies again on a patrol and surveilance mission.

The transports rolled to a stop and the back ramps lowered. Soldiers trooped out in formation followed by light to medium armour and supplies. Soon convoys were heading away from the airfield to the land provided for the purpose of the first Chimaean base and HQ on Pushkan territory.


My economy is good, over all budget after all the spendings and donations is $87,400,505,937.50 since its time of war, i declate 60% of that money to be part of military budget.

OCC-The regiment I'm sending is around 90,000. I'm not sure on the armored divison's numbers yet.

OOC: something for Pushka and New Mesopotamia to remember: you're still relatively small nations (12 and 153 million repectively). you kept talking about how you were going to destroy me (a 506 million nation). Now, confidence is good, but not arrogance. Pushka, half the reason I was so determined to carry through with my invasion was because I was pissed off OOC-ly because you kept talking about how you were going to destroy my army and slaughter my troops and all that good stuff. A nation of 12 million (while using the 5% rule most NS countries use) can only field a force of 600,000 troops; a 506 million strong nation can field up to 25.3 million soldiers. Just by using 3% of my army I would outnumber yours by more than 150,000. Had Turetel not been there to shift the number balance in your favor, and if my tanks hadn't kept freezing, it would've been completely in my power to destroy you. I don't want to sound mean or condescending, I'm just trying to give some useful advice.

Just thought I'd point that out, so maybe the fight against Crimsdale will be more believable.

And this doesn't have to do with anything, but are you Russian, Pushka?
Ahh, but you forget the logistics of war. Generally speaking, a nation will not have the capability to put much more than its full standing army abroad, especially when it's that large. In reality, you'd be lucky to manage to send more than 10-15% of your military, which is only 4-6 times his total force. Now, the problem becomes that, depending on the situation, you should need at least a 3 to 1 advantage, or up to 10 to 1 against a good and well-entrenched opponent, to ensure victory in an attack. Thus, he actually has a solid chance at victory if he plays his cards right, even with only 600,000 troops. He can also pull a Vietnam on you, just sticking rifles in the hands of hundreds of thousands, even millions, of civilians and telling them to fight any forces that enter their area. It will be costly for him, but at least as much so for you.

Also, since you're invading, if he nails your supply lines, you're screwed. Such is the disadvantage of the invader over the invadee.


OOC: I tend to fight using small units (i.e., brigades and regiments rather than armies and divisions), so my attacks are going to be numerous. Here is the basic breakdown of a Malkyeri Army Group:

1 Army Group (180,000 men) = 3 Armies (60,000 men)

1 Army (60,000 men) =
2 Corp (30,000 men) =
4 Divisions (15,000 men)=
12 Brigades (9,000 men)=
36 Regiments (3,000 men)=
108 Battalions (1,000 men)=
540 Companies (200 men)=
2700 Platoons (40 men)=
10800 Squads (6-10 men)

let me know if the numbers don't add up. I probably did my math wrong.
Actually, the numbers add up too well. Simply put, there seems to be no provision for support personnel, the proportion of which increases dramatically as you get to higher commands. You'll find that most large armies have no more than half their personnel actually assigned to divisions, or brigades if those are the primary combat force (closer to 1/3 in the US Army). These include things like training, engineering, intelligence, and deployment commands, which are kept separate from basic forces. The rest are additional personnel found at the corps and army level, all combat (artillery & aviation) and combat service (logistics, medical, personnel, engineer, etc) support units.
My army, for example, has about 25-35% of a corps' personnel actually not part of a maneuver division, and about 40% of the personnel at the army level are not part of a subordinate corps. Of course, I have a rather large support arm, though part of that is necessity due to the size of the military. My army: 6 million active troops, with 80 combat divisions and 275 separate combat support brigades (Cavalry, Air Defense, Aviation, and Artillery). So, only about 1/8 of my personnel are in units you will see fighting at the front.


Pushka, however, isn't without his own failings. He greatly underestimates the costs of the units he's "developing and producing." It's rather hard to produce 700 $15-20 million helicopters for $100,000 each. Same with aircraft, you don't build $40-70 million aircraft for $1 million each.
He also, as noted, overestimates how well he can concentrate forces.

Clan Smoke Jaguar, I don't believe you have read the entire group of events. Malkyer and I, as well as Pushka are basically allies now, the war between us is over without nearly a shot being fired. I am also helping funding the progress of Pushka, so I am basically supplying some of his equipment he needs and picking up some cost (not all of it mind you).

Only Crimesdale is the real threat anymore, the more you see it, the more you see that it is next to impossible for any event short of a nuclear attack (which if he has it or if it occurs, would result in just about the same as a massive retaliation).

Ahh, but you forget the logistics of war. Generally speaking, a nation will not have the capability to put much more than its full standing army abroad, especially when it's that large. In reality, you'd be lucky to manage to send more than 10-15% of your military, which is only 4-6 times his total force. Now, the problem becomes that, depending on the situation, you should need at least a 3 to 1 advantage, or up to 10 to 1 against a good and well-entrenched opponent, to ensure victory in an attack. Thus, he actually has a solid chance at victory if he plays his cards right, even with only 600,000 troops. He can also pull a Vietnam on you, just sticking rifles in the hands of hundreds of thousands, even millions, of civilians and telling them to fight any forces that enter their area. It will be costly for him, but at least as much so for you.

Also, since you're invading, if he nails your supply lines, you're screwed. Such is the disadvantage of the invader over the invadee.



Actually, the numbers add up too well. Simply put, there seems to be no provision for support personnel, the proportion of which increases dramatically as you get to higher commands. You'll find that most large armies have no more than half their personnel actually assigned to divisions, or brigades if those are the primary combat force (closer to 1/3 in the US Army). These include things like training, engineering, intelligence, and deployment commands, which are kept separate from basic forces. The rest are additional personnel found at the corps and army level, all combat (artillery & aviation) and combat service (logistics, medical, personnel, engineer, etc) support units.
My army, for example, has about 25-35% of a corps' personnel actually not part of a maneuver division, and about 40% of the personnel at the army level are not part of a subordinate corps. Of course, I have a rather large support arm, though part of that is necessity due to the size of the military. My army: 6 million active troops, with 80 combat divisions and 275 separate combat support brigades (Cavalry, Air Defense, Aviation, and Artillery). So, only about 1/8 of my personnel are in units you will see fighting at the front.


Pushka, however, isn't without his own failings. He greatly underestimates the costs of the units he's "developing and producing." It's rather hard to produce 700 $15-20 million helicopters for $100,000 each. Same with aircraft, you don't build $40-70 million aircraft for $1 million each.
He also, as noted, overestimates how well he can concentrate forces.


There did you get your figures on those planes and helecopters?
But sure, just to make it more realistic i'll put 20 billion into production of those planes and helecopters. Should be enough.

How am i overestimating my ability to concentrate forces? If you talking about my plan to halt him in Volgograd, well i think it's close to what would really happen if thise war was allowed to continue.

Actually, the numbers add up too well. Simply put, there seems to be no provision for support personnel, the proportion of which increases dramatically as you get to higher commands.

Yeah, I saw that they might. I tend to assume a lot, which is a weakness of my RP. I should've mentioned how, for example, one battalion in each regiment was a headquarters battalion (command and stuff), and another is logistics and support. So really I only have three combat battalions per regiment.

And Pushka, only suicidal maniacs and fools attack a city garrisoned by 200,000 men. I probably would've surrounded the city and cut the power lines or something to starve/freeze you into submission.

Yeah, I saw that they might. I tend to assume a lot, which is a weakness of my RP. I should've mentioned how, for example, one battalion in each regiment was a headquarters battalion (command and stuff), and another is logistics and support. So really I only have three combat battalions per regiment.

And Pushka, only suicidal maniacs and fools attack a city garrisoned by 200,000 men. I probably would've surrounded the city and cut the power lines or something to starve/freeze you into submission.

OOC: That wouldn't give me too mcuh tropble. You will still be locked in one place and the rest of my military will cut of your supply lines and attack from behind. If New Mesopotamia used its air force to take out your tanks, you'd be a gonner.

OOC: again, that's assuming I have no way to defend against air attacks.

OOC: again, that's assuming I have no way to defend against air attacks.

OOC: There is no way to defend against jet fighters, unless you had time to build anti-aircraft missile systems or put another jet fighter against it, but you haven't specified that you brought anything like that. As i understand it you are requered to specify the size and actual machinery of your army before you start any military action. I did that, you haven't. But lets end this debate it can only laed to more hate between our nations.

OOC: sounds good. Crimsdale's coming back monday, right?

OOC: sounds good. Crimsdale's coming back monday, right?

OOC: Thats what i heard. Let's woop his self-righteous ass. He attacks with navy and air force in unknown numbers. I didn't see him talk about his infantry at all. But Pushka is now well equiped with world's most efficient anti-aircraft system, Triumph, so we have something against his airforce then we need it. As for navy, Pushkan coastline is surrounded with sea mines, so no danger there. I don't really know what he is going to do. But i have a pretty good idea about my own counter offensive. By monday i should have a considerable airforce of 700 planes, SU-47s and Mig-35s both of which are stealth, and are most maneuvarable planes on earth.

OOC:Can everybody bring me up to date on whats happened? The SU-27 and Mig-31 (I assume thats what your talking about when you say Mig-35 and SU-47 as neither of those exist in RL) are NOT stealth

IC:
Official Statement From Red Tide
"We hereby declare our support for Crimsdale and have sent the following to invadew Pushka:

Naval
2 Typhoon Class Supercarriers
10 G-Battleships
10 M-Battleships
40 Willie-Willie Class Destroyers
84 Dragon Class Frigates
The required transport ships for the ground forces listed

Airiel
120 H/K-2 Hydras(60 per carrier)
120 H/K-1 Revnants(60 per carrier)

Ground
100,000 Soldiers
2,000 T-97 MBTs (+ crews)
1,000 T-93 LBTs (+crews)
1,000 IFV-80s (+ crews)
7,000 trucks(for both supplie and troop carriage)

Thank you."

OOC:Can everybody bring me up to date on whats happened? The SU-27 and Mig-31 (I assume thats what your talking about when you say Mig-35 and SU-47 as neither of those exist in RL) are NOT stealth

IC:
Official Statement From Red Tide
"We hereby declare our support for Crimsdale and have sent the following to invadew Pushka:

Naval
2 Typhoon Class Supercarriers
10 G-Battleships
10 M-Battleships
40 Willie-Willie Class Destroyers
84 Dragon Class Frigates
The required transport ships for the ground forces listed

Airiel
120 H/K-2 Hydras(60 per carrier)
120 H/K-1 Revnants(60 per carrier)

Ground
100,000 Soldiers
2,000 T-97 MBTs (+ crews)
1,000 T-93 LBTs (+crews)
1,000 IFV-80s (+ crews)
7,000 trucks(for both supplie and troop carriage)

Thank you."

You must be feeling really gutsy to aid a doomed opponent, how you get those soldiers down onto land is going to be worth a laugh, as you would have to go through my White Fleet (137 Ships) plus the Turetelian 2nd Fleet (96 Ships). Once you get down on the land, you will encounter several Pushka, New Meso., Turetelian, and other allied forces. You might also want to watch out for our Sub. Forces, my Fighter/Bomber Wings in the area, and several other forces.

I can gurantee you that to win this war you would need roughly 3,000,000 Forces in all to counter the 1 million Foreign Forces stationed in Pushka. I have heavily fortified post all along the coast, interior (not central, but outer interior), and have to encounter several stiff resistance efforts if you can do that.

OOC: You almost certainly need a 3 to 1 ratio of forces to out due an opponent, 5 to 1 at least if dug in or defenses are put up, right now you guys only have less then 1 million, which is not even equal to the Foreign Forces in this nation right now.

As listed before Pushka now has a good anti-air system (which I think, not entierly sure, I helped to fund), and the fact is, we are in a winter terrian: so liquids freeze, tanks and vehicles are going to be a long shot (unless you have some secret ideas, (anti-freeze is only good for so much) to have unfreezable substances (like we have developed in Turetel).


Do you still wish to aid in this futile effort?

OOC:Can everybody bring me up to date on whats happened? The SU-27 and Mig-31 (I assume thats what your talking about when you say Mig-35 and SU-47 as neither of those exist in RL) are NOT stealth

Mig-35 and SU-47 do exist, they not in the production yet but there are prototypes, in RL, they have been used in demonstrations on various russian air force shows. And they are stealth, then i am saying Mig-35 and SU-47 i am saying Mig-35 and SU-47. As to what happened. Malkayer stopped attempts to attack Pushka and is basically on our side now. So we are basically ready to woop your ass. Also please before saying that something does not exist, please make sure that it doesn't. But seriously, have you been living in a cave? Even if you think that there is no SU-47 you should know about SU-37, you know the most maneuvarable plane on earth. Anyways as i said, i am producing a fleet of SU-47s and Mig-35s both of which are stealth, well not completely stealth cause nothing is, but they are stealth. SU-47s are expected to come into production by 2006, Mig-35, do to budget cuts no specific year, but there are already fully operational prototypes so such plane does exist.

OOC:1: I meant to put in SU-37 :p . 2:Can you please provide me with a link about the Mig-35 and SU-47. 3: My veichles are equipped with fuel cells so cold weather wont be a problem. 3: What kind of ships are in those fleets? 4. What kind of radar is Pushka using? Just to let you know my Hydras are stealthed. 5. Stealth dont mean **** when your opponent is using the right type of radar. 6. Fortified positions dont mean **** against deep-penetration cruise missiles, 18.7 Inch Guns using every range and accuracy enhancing technique in the book, and bunker busters.

OOC:1: I meant to put in SU-37 :p . 2:Can you please provide me with a link about the Mig-35 and SU-47. 3: My veichles are equipped with fuel cells so cold weather wont be a problem. 3: What kind of ships are in those fleets? 4. What kind of radar is Pushka using? Just to let you know my Hydras are stealthed. 5. Stealth dont mean **** when your opponent is using the right type of radar.

OOC: Here is SU-47 Berkut, you might no it by the name of S-37 but it was renamed to avoid the confusion with SU-37

http://www.flymig.com/aircraft/Su-47/
http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/s37.htm

and here is one on Mig-35

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm

as for radar, let me check into it.

Well this is anti-aircraft missile system i developed recently
http://missilethreat.com/systems/s-400.html

double the range of american Patriot system. Whatever radar comes with it is the one i use. Even without stealth those planes are highly efficient and maneuvarable. If you read first link on SU-47 you will find out that its the most maneuvarable plane on earth to this date.

can you provide info on your Hydras? Also having fortifications is better then not having them. While my men will have atleast some kind of protection yours will be just corpses ready to heapen once my artillery hits.

I can't find your nation on nationstates.net, how come?

OOC:Okay... the Hydra is a VTOL Air Supremacy Fighter. The VTOL gives it the ability to 'Viff' in combat. It has great maenuverability, the ability to supercruise, and a max speed of mach 3.3(mach 1.7 Supercruise). Its QMAAMs give it the advantage in dog-fights while its ALRAAMs give it the advantage in stand off combat.

Armament: 12 QMAAM-10s(Quick Manueverable Air-Air Missiles), 6 ALRAAM-10s(Advanced Long Range Air-Air Missile(has a 15 mile advantage over the AMRAAM))(swappable with bombs), 6 AMRAAM-150s(Advanced Medium Ranged Air-Air Missile), AMRAAMs and ALRAAMs swappable with LRASM-10s(Long Range Anti-Surface Missile) or bomb racks.

Countermeasures:ECM pods, flare/chaff hybrid.

Also the reason you cant find me? Are you typing in Red Tide2?

OOC:Okay... the Hydra is a VTOL Air Supremacy Fighter. The VTOL gives it the ability to 'Viff' in combat. It has great maenuverability, the ability to supercruise, and a max speed of mach 3.3(mach 1.7 Supercruise). Its QMAAMs give it the advantage in dog-fights while its ALRAAMs give it the advantage in stand off combat.

Armament: 12 QMAAM-10s(Quick Manueverable Air-Air Missiles), 6 ALRAAM-10s(Advanced Long Range Air-Air Missile(has a 15 mile advantage over the AMRAAM))(swappable with bombs), 6 AMRAAM-150s(Advanced Medium Ranged Air-Air Missile), AMRAAMs and ALRAAMs swappable with LRASM-10s(Long Range Anti-Surface Missile) or bomb racks.

Countermeasures:ECM pods, flare/chaff hybrid.

Also the reason you cant find me? Are you typing in Red Tide2?

I copied and pasted Red Tide2, also you made up that fighter didn't you? Mach 3.3? Seems a little low, SU-47 can go up to Mach 5, plus SU-47 uses Vector thrust engines plus forward swept wings, it is the most maneuvarable plane on earth. Mig-35 also uses Vector thrust engines. Vector thrust engines allow the plane to rotate 360 degrees without having to take time for a tern, basically it takes less then a second for the nose to rotate 180 degrees. Same technology is now being used by US F-22, you copied that technology after SU-37 was released and you got a bit scared of what it can do. I can probably find a video demonstrating what vector thrust can do. Should i?
What about that second jet you got, don't remember its name.

I just found you. Shit you got more then a billion in population. Luckely i got allies. And just out of cureosity, are you american?

OOC:Yes I am a American... what George Bush is doing is awful to our country... although I dont think John Kerry could do any better... Anyways, moving on from my independent views. I HIGHLY doubt that the SU-47 can go any faster than mach-3.5... the fastest plane on Earth is the Mig-25(I think... I know its a Mig) which went mach-3.5. Also the other jet is the H/K-1 Revnant. Its primarily a ground attack plane although it can be modified to be a Fighter. Also does the Su-47 have a rotation of 360 degrees? It says that max speed at ALTITUDE is 1,555 MPH... isnt that below mach 2?

OOC:OH! for the record... I do have a plan to get through your fleets.

SECRET IC:1500 miles away from Pushka(Which is far outside your terretorial waters)... about 150 feet below the surface was a Hurricane Class Nuclear powered Ballistic Missile Sub. It was fully loaded with 18 SLBMs, each one containing a MIRV of 4 warheads. The warheads werent armed with chemical, nuclear, or biological weapons. But instead burst weapons.

OOC:For the record a burst warhead first detonates at 6000 feet. This releases a series of VERY, VERY, VERY powerful conventional bombs. At 5,000 feet these bombs detonate forming a series of explosions that utterly pulverize anything below 5,000 feet. They are highly effective against massed battalions... but are capable of taking out ships.

To Red Tide, I am not in a city, nor using lovely buildings to house my troops, bunker busters wouldn't do squat if their is nothing to bust. Nice guns, find the troops before you start talking about accuracy. You are a large fleet, easy to find without radar, if you use the right techniques. I can't give you the facts on the ships in those groups now as I am not at my computer, somewhere around lots of missile, and advanced guns is about all I can say at this time, some destroyers, capital ships, carriers, etc.

Don't underestimate my force, first off less then 0.5% of my active duty military is on this assignment, leaving me a good deal to hit other targets, looking at my population can explain a lot of differences between our nations, you are less then 1/3 my population, I have better technology (I assume this as more funding, more people to research events, etc. etc.)

Also, don't think you are all powerful in the term you tried on me, your not as good as you sound to yourself, you can't just assume you will blast all of the troops, you can't assume you even have a clue where they are, you probably don't because you would be shot down by either my fighters/bombers, or his missile system.

OOC: I can't talk much right now, I got to go for the time being, I can hopefully talk more later.

You forgot, do you know if I have sub's or not, no, and like you do, I would to: you would have to be a moron not to use sub's in a huge fleet. My rader is rather advanced, trillions of dollars into rader has made is very, very, hard not to find a way to find you, even at your depth.

OOC:Yes I am a American... what George Bush is doing is awful to our country... although I dont think John Kerry could do any better... Anyways, moving on from my independent views. I HIGHLY doubt that the SU-47 can go any faster than mach-3.5... the fastest plane on Earth is the Mig-25(I think... I know its a Mig) which went mach-3.5. Also the other jet is the H/K-1 Revnant. Its primarily a ground attack plane although it can be modified to be a Fighter. Also does the Su-47 have a rotation of 360 degrees? It says that max speed at ALTITUDE is 1,555 MPH... isnt that below mach 2?

OOC:Yes SU-47 does have that rotation.

Triumf missile system is now protecting any major city in Pushka from air and missile attacks. They are currently being placed to protect all the Pushkan borders, plus its coastline. 20000 men from 1st Pushkan army have been reassigned and trained to supply and operate Triumf missile system. They are lead by General Vladimir G. Petrov.

OOC:For the record... That SAM will stop Tactical Ballistic Missiles(such as SRBMs and MRBMs) but it wont stop STRATEGIC ballistic missiles(namely SLBMs, IRBMs, and ICBMs), Why? Because a SRBM or MRBM only go up into the stratosphere. But... the Strategic missiles go into a ballistic arch into the Exosphere, then(in the case of MIRVed missiles) release their 'warhead bus', those buses realign themselves using small rockets and float over the nations and release warhead after warhead... then said warheads plummet straight back to Earth at Mach 15-20. No SAM (not even the Truimf) is going to stop that. There are such things as Anti-Ballistic Missile Defences, but those cost TRILLIONS of dollars and use things such as lasers and other ballistic missiles(yes... its a paradox, the only kind of missile capable of getting a ballistic missile is ANOTHER ballistic Missile). Besides... those SLBMs arnt aimed at any cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-47

"The aircraft makes use of forward-swept wings allowing superb maneuverability and operation at angles of attack up to 45° or more."

OOC:OH! for the record... I do have a plan to get through your fleets.

SECRET IC:1500 miles away from Pushka(Which is far outside your terretorial waters)... about 150 feet below the surface was a Hurricane Class Nuclear powered Ballistic Missile Sub. It was fully loaded with 18 SLBMs, each one containing a MIRV of 4 warheads. The warheads werent armed with chemical, nuclear, or biological weapons. But instead burst weapons.

OOC:For the record a burst warhead first detonates at 6000 feet. This releases a series of VERY, VERY, VERY powerful conventional bombs. At 5,000 feet these bombs detonate forming a series of explosions that utterly pulverize anything below 5,000 feet. They are highly effective against massed battalions... but are capable of taking out ships.

First of all, accuracy, if they are going to take out several independant, one spread out and massive, they are going to have fill the sky UTTERLY over many kilometers, to ensure an UTTERLY destroy one fleet, which if it were to be so, the original missile would have to be bloody large, in which case you could only launch it once, as it would be easily noticed. These independant fleets means all the ships are not in one spot. Therefore while it may be very effective, its efficacity is limited.

OOC: Red Tide2--Chimaea would detect any SLBM launch via the satellite defence grid (developed after the limited nuclear exchange during the Chimaean-Clock Hill War which destroyed one Baron nation and crippled another--this was RPed a fairly long time ago and although Chimaean alliance members are now non-existant, I assume Chimaea would have the capability to continue a more scaled-back version). Unless you haven't noticed, we do indeed have a multi-trillion dollar budget... If you launch an SLBM and the defence grid doesn't recognise a non-nuclear warhead then things could get interesting. This, Pushka, is why I've always considered Baron as an actual geographical location (in which case these enemy fleets would have already been intercepted before even entering Baron territory). But, if Red Tide2 and Pushka really want this SLBM strike, I can completely ignore the fact that Chimaea is indeed in a position to effectively neutralise a number of ballistic missile strikes against Baron. =/

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Chimaea is willing to donate $25 billion as a boost to the wartime economy of Pushka, with $5 billion conditional on being spent in securing safe havens for displaced persons due to the war. We are also willing to help staff these safe havens with Chimaean personnel.

We are also willing to open defence contracts with Pushka for the duration of the conflict, though as a matter of policy if these and other contracts were to continue afterwards, Pushka would need to increase at least civil and social rights.

The Naval detachments are now within effective combat distance from Pushka and will take up strategic defensive positions. We request permission for the opening of ports and further airfields for the unloading of troops, equipment, vehicles and supplies.

We can also helicopter in lightly armed police detachments to various high-population areas to ease the strain on the Pushkan police forces during this turbulent time--however they will only operate under a certain and strict code of conduct.

With the better allied defence strength that's present in Pushka at the moment, Chimaea suggests a coordinated military strategy with multiple fronts.

Lastly, our offer of mediation is always open.

~Chimaean Foriegn Ministry

OOC: Red Tide2--Chimaea would detect any SLBM launch via the satellite defence grid (developed after the limited nuclear exchange during the Chimaean-Clock Hill War which destroyed one Baron nation and crippled another--this was RPed a fairly long time ago and although Chimaean alliance members are now non-existant, I assume Chimaea would have the capability to continue a more scaled-back version). Unless you haven't noticed, we do indeed have a multi-trillion dollar budget... If you launch an SLBM and the defence grid doesn't recognise a non-nuclear warhead then things could get interesting. This, Pushka, is why I've always considered Baron as an actual geographical location (in which case these enemy fleets would have already been intercepted before even entering Baron territory). But, if Red Tide2 and Pushka really want this SLBM strike, I can completely ignore the fact that Chimaea is indeed in a position to effectively neutralise a number of ballistic missile strikes against Baron. =/

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Chimaea is willing to donate $25 billion as a boost to the wartime economy of Pushka, with $5 billion conditional on being spent in securing safe havens for displaced persons due to the war. We are also willing to help staff these safe havens with Chimaean personnel.

We are also willing to open defence contracts with Pushka for the duration of the conflict, though as a matter of policy if these and other contracts were to continue afterwards, Pushka would need to increase at least civil and social rights.

The Naval detachments are now within effective combat distance from Pushka and will take up strategic defensive positions. We request permission for the opening of ports and further airfields for the unloading of troops, equipment, vehicles and supplies.

We can also helicopter in lightly armed police detachments to various high-population areas to ease the strain on the Pushkan police forces during this turbulent time--however they will only operate under a certain and strict code of conduct.

With the better allied defence strength that's present in Pushka at the moment, Chimaea suggests a coordinated military strategy with multiple fronts.

Lastly, our offer of mediation is always open.

~Chimaean Foriegn Ministry

Alright, another ally for the effort. Also to Red Tide2, I don't think our Fleets our near each other, put they might be on opposite sides of the nation (where did you direct your ships?)

OOC: Ok so much for waiting for me? Anyways someone please make me a list of my allies and the enemies.

As you can see I am back now, I will ask the support of C A D.

IC:

The Crimsdale Naval forces tredged like giants across the water, thousands of men stood tall as thier missions were described to them.

The ground forces had positioned themselves inside many buildings surround the pathetic country of Pushka. The Fihg 7 tanks rolled like a river across the tundra as thier type 3 engines provided excellent power for the treks throught the deep snow.

Crimsdale's military positioning is as follows;

500,000 Crimsdale Royal Militia
5 Sparten class cruisers
3 Aircraft carriers
100,000 Marines
100 striker class fighters
50 elephant class bombers
5 ten men terrorist cells

Crimsdale is an island nation in a Northern Region (Denmark like)
It is rich in gold and fossil fuels.

OOC: I'm sorry my post wasn't spectacular I just wanted to get to the point, I will RP tommorow, when this war is supposed to start.

Anyways someone please make me a list of my allies and the enemies.
Here it is:

Enemies:
Pushka
Turetel
New Mespotamia
Rechze
Chimaea

(possibly)
Sweet Horne
LivLiNaTer
Siap
Turangawaewae

Allies:
ONI Concordiat
Red Tide2

(possibly)
The Arsenal

You forgot, do you know if I have sub's or not, no, and like you do, I would to: you would have to be a moron not to use sub's in a huge fleet. My rader is rather advanced, trillions of dollars into rader has made is very, very, hard not to find a way to find you, even at your depth.

OOC:First of all. I doubt you have subs 1500 miles out. Second of all, it isnt radar that detects subs.... its SONAR, third I am planning to strike a specific ships in the fleets. Without these ships I could pummel your fleets with LRASMs launched from aircraft. As for the defence grids... I doubt your defense grid is programmed to defend Pushka... To be honest the only reason I want to avoid naval combat is because I am more of a ground combat person.

OOC: To defend Baron and in particular Chimaean Forces. Yes.

OOC: Okay, to drop this confusion.
The Su-47 goes up to Mach 2.35 at altitude (10,500m / 35,000 ft), which is about 1555 mph or 2500 km/h
Also, the MiG-35 and Su-47 are stealthy, not true stealth. They incorporate some modest signature reduction features, but nowhere near even the F-22, which still isn't considered a true stealth aircraft.

A VTOL aircraft pushing Mach 3.3 is going to have a lot of problems, as the features that allow such high speeds and the ones that allow VTOL capabilities don't really mix all that well. Just a warning. Besides, high speeds are bad for ground attack. You need time to distinguish targets, and lower speeds provide higher accuracy for free-fall weapons, which are still the favorite against formations.


As for the SLBMs, the submarine's skipper should be smart enough to launch well clear of any enemy vessels, but that launch can be tracked, so things might get rather hot there rather quickly. And if an appropriate warning was not given, there's every reason to believe it to be a nuclear attack and retaliate in kind. The only problem being that it's hard to determine who launched it. SLBMs tend to make that difficult.

OOC:The H/K-2 Hydra is NOT a ground attack aircraft... although its ALRAAMs and AMRAAMs can be switched to ground attack weapons... the ground attack component is handled by the OTHER VTOL aircraft in the Red Tide military, the sub-sonic H/K-1 Revnant.

OOC: Okay, to drop this confusion.
The Su-47 goes up to Mach 2.35 at altitude (10,500m / 35,000 ft), which is about 1555 mph or 2500 km/h
Also, the MiG-35 and Su-47 are stealthy, not true stealth. They incorporate some modest signature reduction features, but nowhere near even the F-22, which still isn't considered a true stealth aircraft.

OOC: I am sorry but i got to disagree, Mig-35 for sure is as stealth as F-22, it uses same stealth materials, and similar radar signature reflection technique. As for SU-47, you might have heard of plasma shield? A technology developed during mid 60s by soviter air force. Well in real life russian air force is trying to apply Plasma shield stealth technology on SU-47. Although there are no results yet, it is theoretically possible, and in the future i will update my SU-47s with this technology, once i have more funds.

OOC: Ok so much for waiting for me? Anyways someone please make me a list of my allies and the enemies.

As you can see I am back now, I will ask the support of C A D.

IC:

The Crimsdale Naval forces tredged like giants across the water, thousands of men stood tall as thier missions were described to them.

The ground forces had positioned themselves inside many buildings surround the pathetic country of Pushka. The Fihg 7 tanks rolled like a river across the tundra as thier type 3 engines provided excellent power for the treks throught the deep snow.

Crimsdale's military positioning is as follows;

500,000 Crimsdale Royal Militia
5 Sparten class cruisers
3 Aircraft carriers
100,000 Marines
100 striker class fighters
50 elephant class bombers
5 ten men terrorist cells

Crimsdale is an island nation in a Northern Region (Denmark like)
It is rich in gold and fossil fuels.

OOC: I'm sorry my post wasn't spectacular I just wanted to get to the point, I will RP tommorow, when this war is supposed to start.


OOC: Okay little buddy, here is the thing. Pushka doesn't have buildings surrounding its border, just to let you know. Also remember that i got world's best, Triumf anti-aricraft missile system. So don't get to dependent on those bombers of yours. Also tanks, remember that diesel fuel has a tendency to freeze, okay just so you know. And you called my nation pathetic, ooh you shot me down. Anyways here comes the comeback.

IC: Pushkan military is now being equipped with new weapons and is ready to counter Crimsdale, who's leader was obviously dropped on the head far too many times as a child (you just been insulted by a 20 year old, you can be proud and consider yourself a big boy). Here is the list of the technologies that were developed and are now being equiped:

AK-108, 800000 units

Mi-28 Havoc helecopter, 700 units

2S1, 5000 units

Mig-35, 400 units
Su-47, 300 units

AEK-971, 300000 units

Dragunov SVD sniper rifle

T-95 tank, 7000 units

Chamea you have a permission to move your forces on Pushkan land. As for civil rights reforms, lets leave that till after the defeat of our fascist enemy.

"Official Presidential adress, 11:45 PM, December 13, 2004. Regading the Great Patriotic War."

President Ivan V. Mishin: Today thanks to courageous men of our military, our scientists and of course our numerous allies, we have hope. Hope that wind of freedom and pride will still blow above Pushkan land, hope that all that has been done by our forfathers will not be forgoten. One enemy has become our ally, its leader was an honorable man and he wanted peace, but next enemy does not want peace. He wants war untill his destruction or our destruction, well he wants war, we will give him war. Show your enemy no mercy, for those cowards will not show any to you. We must crush them! And establish once and for all that our nation is fit to survive, and it will not be opressed by a self-righteous regime, ignorant of true way of things. FOR MOTHERLAND COMRADES!!!! FOR BLOOD OF YOUR FORFATHERS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPILLED ON THIS LAND!!!!! FOR MOTHERLAND!!!!!!

-end transmission

OOC:I hope someone is backing you financially because there is no possible way a nation your size can afford that much advanced equipment.
IC:A spy sattelite floated over pushka's coast and snapped some pictures, then another one floated over another section of Pushkas coast and snapped some more pictures. The pictures were transmitted back to RTMC(Red Tide Military Command), from there they were copied and sent to both the General on board one of the two aircraft carriers and the Supreme Commander at the Commanders Estate. They noticed the T-95s... which were notihing next to the T-97s. (a tank with a 135 smoothbore cannon(T-95) vrs a tank with a 140mm ETC cannon(T-97)=win for the latter). More and more pictures came in of airfields, ports, and SAMs.
OOC:Yes... The T-97 is custom designed.

Here it is:

Enemies:
Pushka
Turetel
New Mespotamia
Rechze
Chimaea

(possibly)
Sweet Horne
LivLiNaTer
Siap
Turangawaewae

Allies:
ONI Concordiat
Red Tide2

(possibly)
The Arsenal

I am allied with Pushka as well. I'll back them financially, on the obvious condition that they pay me back when the war is over. $2,000,000,000,000 has been wired to Puskan accounts.

Dayan I

Red Tide, I agree with you, I am not a naval person myself (I am ground forces as well, so lets just assume they are on opposite sides of the area, so no encounters, no loss of life by naval battle, and no worrying about naval facts and figures that we aren't as good at). I am also funding Pushka for most of his technologies, so is Chimaea, and others.

To Opposing Nations: Lets be logical here, it is next to impossible for you guys to logically win, you need a 3 to 1 ratio at the least to oust or win a war (logically). We can still talk about a truce, or try and work this out diplomatically. I rather not have to see so many for boths sides brave forces get killed in action, and stranded in some cases due to cold or unpermitting weather. (I hear a blizzards forcasted for the southwestern 1/3 of the nation for the next week or so).

Also, lets try and leave literal alliances out of something that doesn't envolve them, all I have seen is threat after illogical threat made against Pushka based off of his Civil Policies, but I don't remember you asking him to change it without putting it in the form of a threat, so this is a last appeal to all nations, lets just call a truce, so that neither side has to go home and tell the families of the men that they were killed, bravely fighting for their nation, their honour, their rights.

OOC:Actually... Red Tides motives are... darker... then they seem...

IC:Official Reply from Red Tide
"Blizzards? HA! Our soldiers are adequatly 'trained' to operate in winter warfare. Plus their suits are all terrain."

Please specify what or how your men are good in 45-75 MPH Winds with zero visiblities?

Official Reply
"Depends on which troops you mean... It doesnt hamper our snipers effectiveness and it hampers a TINY bit our regular soldiers effectiveness. It doesnt hamper our Current Gaurd Members effectiveness at all... but we wont be deploying them."

No visibilities : snipers are generally considered long range, tell me seriously how you plan on doing that, without seeing, hearing, or knowing what the next step is or where it will land.

OOC:My sniper rifles can be switched to what is known as 'heat vision'. Basicilly it detects the body heat of a person. Thus they will be seen. My regular soldiers are equpped with ID goggles that show who is friendly and who is hostiles.

All OOC: Heat vision, also is effected by the entire area around them. If you have -100F degree weather, you couldn't really see the difference over a long range, nothing can really determine what friendly/foe is (that is the same as what video games do today, but it is considered imporbable in real life, my forces almost all have Heat Vision, Night Vision, but we in Turetel understand that it is impossible to determine heat in either extreme [also note heat is defined by science as Thermal Energy, which in turn is tempature).

Seriously, tell me that you have Heat Vision that defies scientific laws, I don;t think that will work, and besides, you are still hopelessly outnumbered.


OOC Add-on: In the game Splinter Cell, the Heat Vision is severly weaken by steam or cold areas, making everything look similar (Heat was only around 10F and everything was looking grey until he was relatively close up to the person, or heat object, but the people were the slightest lighter colour from distances of 1/4 of a mile.

OOC:Meh... I always assumed cold weather would make heat vision more efficient... as the body heat of a human would stand out in a backdrop of coldness. Aw well... its still useful as a night tool.

OOC: Red Tide, I bet if we weren't fighting against each other we would be great friends. Yes, that is what I thought to until I looked at the "Scientific" version of heat.

OOC:I am considering switching sides right now... if no more people join in on our side...

OOC:I am considering switching sides right now... if no more people join in on our side...

That would be a wise move, and then we could really consider each other friends.

OOC:Yeah... And since this guy wants some state of the art equipment I am thinking about selling him the designs of the ETC Cannon.

Yes, if you want I could (if you switched sides)install some Cold Fusion run products, or install it in some of your tanks (or other objects).

OOC:hmmmmmm, Cold Fusion... I am surprised I havent thought about researching that... UH OH! Timers almost up! Got to read!

I am allied with Pushka as well. I'll back them financially, on the obvious condition that they pay me back when the war is over. $2,000,000,000,000 has been wired to Puskan accounts.

Dayan I

We thank you censirely for your donation.

OOC: I have to go soon too, take a final, which I am underprepared for if its anything like the study-guide.

Pushka, I am going to donate some money myself, in the area of 3.7 Trillion Dollars, in return so that I will not have to a) Burden myself making Atomic Weapons for yourself b) Act of goodwill, help you along some more.

OOC: So Red Tide, which side is it gonna be?

Pushka, I am going to donate some money myself, in the area of 3.7 Trillion Dollars, in return so that I will not have to a) Burden myself making Atomic Weapons for yourself b) Act of goodwill, help you along some more.

OOC: Thanks man, dang i got a lot of ideas to spend that money. Now i can afford Plasma shield research.

OOC: I guess I should also say that I have produced 2 Atomic Bombs for you, any they are being shipped under the upmost secrecy to an undisclosed secrecy, also blue prints for cheaper, but still efficent bombs.

OOC: I guess I should also say that I have produced 2 Atomic Bombs for you, any they are being shipped under the upmost secrecy to an undisclosed secrecy, also blue prints for cheaper, but still efficent bombs.

OOC: By the rules i am supposed to have 100 million in population before actually being able to produce or even use atomic bombs.

OOC: Thanks man, dang i got a lot of ideas to spend that money. Now i can afford Plasma shield research.

Um, Plasma Shields, lets not get unrealistic here, lets try and stay slightly modern tech.

OOC: By the rules i am supposed to have 100 million in population before actually being able to produce or even use atomic bombs.

To produce technically, to use, well, you have an Air Defense system that can be used to launch them I believe. I don't think the "rules" ever specified my not giving you them.

Pushkan defense council puts 300 billion dollars into research in the field of Plasma shield stealth technology.

Pushkan defense council puts 300 billion dollars into research in the field of Plasma shield stealth technology.

Oh, stealth, I just understood that.

Oh, stealth, I just understood that.

OOC: Its complete stealth technology and you don't have to apply stealth materials or shape the plane in any special way. Plasma shield technology was developed in Soviet Union in mid-60s but was never applied to an actual jet fighter. But now there are some sources that say that Russian Air Force is working to apply that technology to SU-47 jet fighter. Although not a lot of information is realeased. Basically there is a generator and it releases a plasma which is held together by magnetic field. In theory even most powerful radars will not be able to detect the plane once the Plasma sheild is turned on, i will be happy to share that technology with you at no cost once it is developed.

OOC:WOAH! Thats hard-core technology right there!
IC: Official Statement From Red Tide
"We have decided... that it is in our best interests to switch sides and help the nation of Pushka... who could prove to be a valuable trading partner and weapons buyer."

At the same time that statement was released the Red Tidean fleet that was sent was ordered to(and I qoute) "Sail like hell!".

Comin in about a hour after the statement was released a encrypted message arrived at the Pushkan Defence Ministry(or whatever you call it).

It read:"We had a Ballistic Missile Sub sitting about 1500 miles off your coast. It was fully loaded with SLBMs armed with Burst-Warheads(OOC Note: Lets say you already know what those are... after all I released information about them when I first tested them). They were originally intended for use against the Turetelian fleets aircraft carriers... but now that we now that we are no longer on Crimsdales side. But we can change the target coordinates within a matter of 30 minutes. So when the Crimsdalean forces land will you please give us the invasion sites coordinates so IF, (and only IF) they are able to succesfully land... our Burst Warheads will blow a couple of their regiments to smithereens. Also... after the war... we could talk about us supplying you some technology and weapons you dont have."

OOC:WOAH! Thats hard-core technology right there!
IC: Official Statement From Red Tide
"We have decided... that it is in our best interests to switch sides and help the nation of Pushka... who could prove to be a valuable trading partner and weapons buyer."

At the same time that statement was released the Red Tidean fleet that was sent was ordered to(and I qoute) "Sail like hell!".

Comin in about a hour after the statement was released a encrypted message arrived at the Pushkan Defence Ministry(or whatever you call it).

It read:"We had a Ballistic Missile Sub sitting about 1500 miles off your coast. It was fully loaded with SLBMs armed with Burst-Warheads(OOC Note: Lets say you already know what those are... after all I released information about them when I first tested them). They were originally intended for use against the Turetelian fleets aircraft carriers... but now that we now that we are no longer on Crimsdales side. But we can change the target coordinates within a matter of 30 minutes. So when the Crimsdalean forces land will you please give us the invasion sites coordinates so IF, (and only IF) they are able to succesfully land... our Burst Warheads will blow a couple of their regiments to smithereens. Also... after the war... we could talk about us supplying you some technology and weapons you dont have."


"Head of Pushkan Defense Council, Yeosef D. Kuzmich's reply to an encrypted message sent by Red Tidean gov't"

I am happy to see you on our side, there is much trading that can be done, there is much prosperity to be achieved if our nations work together. As you asked the information of the landing sites of Crimsdalian forces will be provided. According to our recent suveirlance reports, Crimsdalian forces are currently concentrated in camps near Pushkan border. If you strike now, affects on Crimsdalian army will be devastating. If you wish to discuss trading agreements, send your farther messages to palat of commerce, or directly to our President Ivan V. Mishin.

"Presidential announcement directed towards Crimsdale"

We demand you cease your agressive actions and surrender. I promise that Pushka will not seek revenge once we are more developed. I also promise that your troops can go home unharmed. Your list of allies is growing thin, more and more nations realize that there is no benefit that can come from helping you furfill your imperialistic ambitions. If you attack, you will be crashed. If you are a good leader, no, if you are a good man, you will lay down your arms and remove your troops from Pushkan border.

The reply was simple: "Agreed."
The target coordinates were adjusted so the heaviest built up areas were targetted. And then the codeword was given, "Alpha, Romeo, Delta, Zeta... LAUNCH!" One by one the missiles left their launch tubes and soared towards the heavens.

OOC:Crimsdale... the four heaviest built up areas have been targetted, their are 18 missiles, each one with 4 warheads... that means there are 72 warheads flying too obliterate your troops. Each warhead is capable of taking out a battalion sized group of ground troops. Good luck surviving this!

Official Notice from the Turetelian Military Board of Officers (to allies):

A concentration of 180,000 Forces consisting of the 74th Infantry (Refitted with old units), 1,011th Amoured Brigade, and 902nd Marine Support Group, all fitted for the current weather conditions in the area.

These forces have amassed within 20 miles of Crimsdale and will launch a concentrated attack on all positions as soon as the war heads go off, the Balkan Tanks (Cold Fusion Powered, fitted with the Balkan Destroyer rocket propulsion device, can strike a target from 3 miles away accurately (within 10 feet, and 1 foot if it is 1 or less miles away), and Turetelian 1,120mm Artillery Pieces will open up fire after the explosion, also to cover the advancement. TSF Agents and SOT Forces are already within 5 miles of the site and have been giving assignments to hit with the Heavy Artillery (23.7 inch Shelling Devices). The Turetelian 3rd Bomber Wing has been authorized to target a site for heavy bombing from Remote Turetelian Missile Posts in the Ocean on a set of small islands (ICBM) and will contain no Atomic or Biological threat but have heavy, heavy fire damage and explosion range.

The 3rd Turetelian Infantry (78,000 men) are standing by for reinforcements.

first and second parts of Pushkan air force, each containing 200 mig-35s is in the area ready to counter attack any jet fighters enemy might have. They are equiped with R-73, intermediate-range missile R-27, new active radar homing missile R-77 and long-range missile intended to counter bomber targets R-33 air-to -air missiles, and KAB-1500Kr air-to-surface missiles (Not one single plane is equiped with all of those at the same time, planes fly in mixed units there atleast two of every type of missiles are available in each unit. Plus every plane is equipped with 2 KAB-1500Kr missiles)

Pushkan first army (300000 men) is now equiped with new AK-108 rifles, they are better in accuracy, fire rate and fire power and standard AK-74. Pushkan first army is protecting the border 5 miles east of Turetelian forces. Recently formed special operation parts of Pushkan military (20000) are equipped with AEk-971 and are also standing by.

The 360,000 men of the Malkyeri Army have moved to positions to defend Pushka's major cities. They have spread out into brigades, covering small swathes of territory. Frankly, it's a pretty concentrated defense. Secondly, the 1st and 2nd Air Wings have been sent to Pushka, consisting of some two hundred planes.

OOC: not making that mistake again :D

I hate my job. I'm thrown on a plane, for 18 hours to some Arctic Wasteland to solve a conflict were not even involved in and worst of all, I have massive indigestion. These and many more thoughts clogged the mind of Ambassador Wilhelm Obersziten, as he impatiently glanced at his Rolex, chugging on a bottle of Pepto-Bismol every once in awhile. It seemed as if the plane ride was taking an eternity and their destination wasn't even in sight. After awhile, the smallest of things began to bother the already annoyed Ambassador, even the dull drone of the two XLP-330/022 Engines that were bolted on to his diplomatic ARP-33 Transport Jet.

Finally the mollifying voice of the captian, lulled the Wilhelm's nerves. “ This is the Capitan speaking, were now in our final descent. Please buckle your seat belts and enjoy the rest of your flight.”

Releasing a sigh of relief, Wilhelm slumped into his chair, and revealed a small, paperback novel. Flipping over to his desired spot in the book and began to calmly read to himself. However, a sense of relaxation did not quite reach him, for his bowels were cramping again.

“ Captain, could you pass me that bottle of pills, over on the table.” Wilhelm moaned.

Mumbling a few words to himself, Capt. Austerson grasped the small, red container and lobbed it over to the ill Ambassador, who failed to catch it.

In the Cockpit

Cpt. Ellesmere was busy maneuvering the controls, and it seemed as if his job was about finished. Once, they landed on this frozen rock, he would finally be able to get some sleep and maybe a pack of cigarettes. However, as he slightly adjusted the throttle, three odd objects appeared on the screen; they were rapidly approaching towards the small aircraft. Tapping on his co-pilot's shoulder, trying to awake him from his slumber.

“ Bob, what in the hell is that?”

Awaking from his 6-hour slumber, Bob blankly gazed at the screen for a few moments, however he couldn't quite recognize it. This was quite uncommon, since Bob was Radar Operator in the San Lucian Airforce. However, as his senses were restored, Bob suddenly realized what the objects were.

“ JESUS CHRIST!!! THOSE ARE MISSILES!!!”

Grasping his control stick, Bob desperately tried to maneuver the plane out of the path the oncoming warheads, but the plane lacked the agility of a military aircraft and his efforts were in vain. Within a matter of seconds, 2 of the 3 missiles collided with the frail aircraft, completely destroying the right-wing of the aircraft, along with one of the Engines. The flaming aircraft dived into the perilous darkness of the arctic night...

OOC:Ummm... were those my missiles you were talking about? Because if they were... well they are ballistic missiles.

They were SAMs.

2nd Pushkan army (400000) equiped with ARK-971 and AK-108 are in the reserve ready to serve as relief for the first Pushkan army if that is needed.

A fleet of 300 Mi-28 Havoc combat helecopters is standing with 2nd Pushkan army and is able to reach the first Pushkan army in less then 20 minutes. First 2S1 mobile artillery unit (70 batteries) is moved into the area and is preparing to fire on Crimsdalian forces.

They were SAMs.

OOC: Who's SAMs? Mine? They woudn't attack your plane. Crimsdalian? How come he even got those? He never said that he transported them with his army.

They could be anyones missiles. Even Pushkian; It could be possible that a radar operation got confused, thought of the jet as a enemy bomber and fired on it. Who knows.

They could be anyones missiles. Even Pushkian; It could be possible that a radar operation got confused, thought of the jet as a enemy bomber and fired on it. Who knows.

OOC: Well i would if something like that happened. But sure, whatever.

OOC: Okay little buddy, here is the thing. Pushka doesn't have buildings surrounding its border, just to let you know. Also remember that i got world's best, Triumf anti-aricraft missile system. So don't get to dependent on those bombers of yours. Also tanks, remember that diesel fuel has a tendency to freeze, okay just so you know. And you called my nation pathetic, ooh you shot me down. Anyways here comes the comeback.

IC: Pushkan military is now being equipped with new weapons and is ready to counter Crimsdale, who's leader was obviously dropped on the head far too many times as a child (you just been insulted by a 20 year old, you can be proud and consider yourself a big boy). Here is the list of the technologies that were developed and are now being equiped:

AK-108, 800000 units

Mi-28 Havoc helecopter, 700 units

2S1, 5000 units

Mig-35, 400 units
Su-47, 300 units

AEK-971, 300000 units

Dragunov SVD sniper rifle

T-95 tank, 7000 units

Chamea you have a permission to move your forces on Pushkan land. As for civil rights reforms, lets leave that till after the defeat of our fascist enemy.

Pushka please read the guide on godmodding, oh wait yuou must have because you seem to be the master of it. Anyways I am not on my computer yet but I will be in say 30 mins, so thats when I'll get ya.

OOC: ok I have just read through and well, Pushka you are the biggest and worst noob ever. You cannot Rp when I am not around, you are a brand new nation and you think you have all this technology? Are you r5etarded? No in all seriousness I want to know because I will not talk or rp witha retard. I believe you are in fact highly retarded. please get back to to me on this.

Crimsdale, don't you know the first rule (to me) of RP is to at least get basic sources right, never mind that he has recieved donations from everyone, never mind that I have constantly giving him the blue prints, the means, and the supplies to make devices, nevermind that.

Instead you seem like you are trying to find an easy way out of this mess you are in. Your troops would be at the border, like it was when you left (unharmed might I add), and the fact is that even with Pushka supposedly "godmoding" you would still get beat down by all of the other nations.

OCC-Sorry I haven't posted, exam week has me tied up. If you still require our help, tell me. I feel Crimsdale will back out of this war shortly, as his allies did.

See this is the funny part, my troops were attacked and I was entering a war before I left in which it was 3 on 2, now I come back from vacation with 7 on 2, is that fair? It's funny that you don't know the rules of RP where as the other person must play thier role. I left and annouced that pretty clearly. Yet when I return I am attacked and held somewhat captive.

IC:

The television flickered as the storm grew more violent outside.

" Today the G.C.C. has annouced that Crimsdale troops will be returning home, they also made it very clear that this war is not over. The GCC is simply reworking it's cards. The GCC has also sent out for allied support from well over 30 other nations."

The screen continued to flicker as the anchormans mouth continued to ramble

" In other news, the National Science Society has annouced it has finnaly cloned the first human, also they annouced that Crimsdale has succesfully finnished its wave 2 Anti Gravitational missile. Using the string theory these warheads have the potential to devour whole cities."

The television flashed off along with the lights as the storm grew evermore violent.

OOC: Good heavens, what just happened? Guys, look, don't think of RP as a game where you win or lose. Think of RP as writing a story. Not all stories have happy endings, but most stories tend to be fairly dramatic, with sacrifice and courage and things of that nature. So what if your nation is invaded? Just organise a resistance movement, get help from other nations and so forth. Nationstates is just one long story. Y'all need to cool down a bit, not take things personally. And maybe agree to stick to a certain level of technology and reason lol.

And btw... Pushka doesn't NEED 5 trillion dollars in aid to research or develope or buy technology, unless he's trying to build them out of money. Look around at some military websites and find out how much things like guns and carriers cost (a lot of you are still small nations so don't need that much). trillions of dollars would be enough to float a second economy, probably :p Billions are good, trillions are meaningless unless you have a huge nation, possibly a space-faring one.

No, they weren't attacked, not yet (and you pulled out anyway). Why do you even want to go to war with this nation again?

OOC: For them to attack the bombs would have had to go off.

OOC: Good heavens, what just happened? Guys, look, don't think of RP as a game where you win or lose. Think of RP as writing a story. Not all stories have happy endings, but most stories tend to be fairly dramatic, with sacrifice and courage and things of that nature. So what if your nation is invaded? Just organise a resistance movement, get help from other nations and so forth. Nationstates is just one long story. Y'all need to cool down a bit, not take things personally. And maybe agree to stick to a certain level of technology and reason lol.

And btw... Pushka doesn't NEED 5 trillion dollars in aid to research or develope or buy technology, unless he's trying to build them out of money. Look around at some military websites and find out how much things like guns and carriers cost (a lot of you are still small nations so don't need that much). trillions of dollars would be enough to float a second economy, probably :p Billions are good, trillions are meaningless unless you have a huge nation, possibly a space-faring one.

True, true, I just want him to be (horribly) well off. And floating a second economy, now that I look, its true.

See this is the funny part, my troops were attacked and I was entering a war before I left in which it was 3 on 2, now I come back from vacation with 7 on 2, is that fair? It's funny that you don't know the rules of RP where as the other person must play thier role. I left and annouced that pretty clearly. Yet when I return I am attacked and held somewhat captive.

IC:

The television flickered as the storm grew more violent outside.

" Today the G.C.C. has annouced that Crimsdale troops will be returning home, they also made it very clear that this war is not over. The GCC is simply reworking it's cards. The GCC has also sent out for allied support from well over 30 other nations."

The screen continued to flicker as the anchormans mouth continued to ramble

" In other news, the National Science Society has annouced it has finnaly cloned the first human, also they annouced that Crimsdale has succesfully finnished its wave 2 Anti Gravitational missile. Using the string theory these warheads have the potential to devour whole cities."

The television flashed off along with the lights as the storm grew evermore violent.

OOC:First of all... What happened to my Burst-Warhead Missiles? I flung 72 of them at you... you should have lost several regiment worth of soldiers and viechles. Second of all, What are these 'Anti-Gravitational Warheads'? I have never heard of this 'String Theory' that you are talking about. If these things are future tech weapons then why are you rping with Pushka? He is Modern Tech.

See this is the funny part, my troops were attacked and I was entering a war before I left in which it was 3 on 2, now I come back from vacation with 7 on 2, is that fair? It's funny that you don't know the rules of RP where as the other person must play thier role. I left and annouced that pretty clearly. Yet when I return I am attacked and held somewhat captive.

OOC: Nothing we did over the weekend involved you. It was all between myself, Turetel, and Pushka. Your guys are unaffected by that. And as for the odds changing, that's what happens when a fairly big aggressor nation (i.e. me) switches sides to aid the defender. As for us not knowing the rules of RP, you know that's a baseless statement. True, Pushka, godmodes some, but he's knew, let him learn. If he does anything really crazy just ignore it. Turetel and myself have been here awhile; we know what we're doing.

OOC: Ah who cares, that dude was obviously fucked in the head to often as a child, he started a war with a nation a lot weaker then his expecting an easy victory, once he understood that he is not gonna get it he started shitting, anyways, this war is over i am ignoring that moron, just forget him.

IC: Across Pushka the war is announced to be over as Crimsdale moved its forces back from Pushkan border.

President: This is a fine day, it prooves that evil is not all powerful. I thank men of our military and our allies for their fine work, we can all go home now.

Pushka please read the guide on godmodding, oh wait yuou must have because you seem to be the master of it. Anyways I am not on my computer yet but I will be in say 30 mins, so thats when I'll get ya.

I read it, before developing something i must wait one to two days, and for all those technologies i did wait. Plus i have more then 5 trillion in budget thanks to donations, i had more but i spent a lot on the development of those weapons. Anyways, you are ignored i had enough of your retarded comments too last me a while.

Official Communique to the Pushkan Government

I feel that this entire war is partly my fault, and that I must do what I can to make amends with the Pushkan people. I propose an alliance between our two nations, and ask that we be able to work together in the future. Please respond and let me know if this is agreeable.

King Dayan I

OOC: ok I have just read through and well, Pushka you are the biggest and worst noob ever. You cannot Rp when I am not around, you are a brand new nation and you think you have all this technology? Are you r5etarded? No in all seriousness I want to know because I will not talk or rp witha retard. I believe you are in fact highly retarded. please get back to to me on this.

OOC: Well you see i don't really care what some faggot like yourself believes, i also don't really care if you talk to me or not, please don't talk to me, instead spend all that quality time sleeting your wrists or whatever else you americans like to do for fun.

Official Communique to the Pushkan Government

I feel that this entire war is partly my fault, and that I must do what I can to make amends with the Pushkan people. I propose an alliance between our two nations, and ask that we be able to work together in the future. Please respond and let me know if this is agreeable.

King Dayan I

President: I agree,formation of such alliance is most welcome.

OOC: Well you see i don't really care what some faggot like yourself believes, i also don't really care if you talk to me or not, please don't talk to me, instead spend all that quality time sleeting your wrists or whatever else you americans like to do for fun.

OOC: Come on now, all Americans aren't assholes. This one isn't doing a lot to convince us otherwise, but the rest of us are fairly decent.

OOC: Come on now, all Americans aren't assholes. This one isn't doing a lot to convince us otherwise, but the rest of us are fairly decent.

OOC: Ah i meant no offence to anyone but Crimsdale. Man, that dude is slow.

OOC:I unerstand what you mean with the rp story and stuff and this is all tying in to it. Man Pushka sure has some very ADD like tendancies. You need to calm down man.

By the way I am not American ya dumbass piece of shit. And learn how to spell slitting

OOC: I just calculated what the donations have done for his economy, we increased by 238 times, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, sorry, I literally started to cry when I figured that out (from laughter)

OOC: :eek: hahahahahahahahahahahaha...he's gonna pay me back, right ;)

(OOC-New Cyprus would love to join the efforts on the side of Turetel. We might not be very big, and we don't have a military, which is why I am only using my main nation as a way of posting for my other nation, South Ara.)

South Ara has pledge his troops to help fight the cause with Turetel's fleets and armies. His nation fully backs him, and so do all the other nations allied to South Ara (whom are consequently allied to New Cyprus). So South Ara donates 10 million people to fight! (Only 500,000 to 1 million are actively fighting.)

^^^^that's my puppet (Spartan Messinia). I hate when this happens.

OOC: Right now I am talking to certain C A D leaders and requesting them to try and persuade Crimsdale to leave Pushka alone, until a truly valid reason for war appears. I have puppets, none with forum access yet though.

OOC: Pushka: lets try not to get to offensive against Americans, I myself am one (in the good ole state of Iowa), and I would prefer it if you tried to keep your messages like that to yourself.

OOC:Crimsdale... I DEMAND to know the losses from my Burst Warhead attack. I reiterate the fact that you should have lost several regiments(maybe even three divisions!) from the detonations.

IC: Direct message to President of Pushka
"As amends for us joining the wrong side of the conflict we offer you the designs to a ETC(Electro Thermal-Chemical) Cannon completely free... we even offer to reequip half of your T-95s with the ETC guns. We also offer to sell you our state of the art Mobile Howitzer System, the ART-30 Ravager(8 million USD per howitzer), the MDM-1 Handheld Anti Tank Rocket Launcher(1,200 USD per launcher), and the MDM-2 Handheld SAM(1,500 USD per launcher. We also offer the SHRIKER-2 Multi Purpose Defence Cannon(MPDC)(11 million USD per emplacement), and the ART-20 Stationary Artillery Emplacement(13 million USD per emplacement)."

OOC2: The ART-30 Ravager uses a single 175 mm ETC gun to blow away targets up to 17 miles away accurately. The MDM-1 Rocket Launcher is a 88mm rocket launcher that has a penetration rate of 600 mm of steel armor. The MDM-2 SAM is a smaller version of the QMAAM(although here the name would be QMSAM). The SHRIKER-2 MPDC uses dual 125 rifled barreled cannons which fire both AT Shells, AA Shells, and HE-F(High Explosive-Fragmentation) Shells. The ART-20 is a 210 mm Rifled Artillery Cannon that CANNOT be moved. It can attack targets 20 miles away.

I read it, before developing something i must wait one to two days, and for all those technologies i did wait. Plus i have more then 5 trillion in budget thanks to donations, i had more but i spent a lot on the development of those weapons. Anyways, you are ignored i had enough of your retarded comments too last me a while.
This is definately getting nasty here. What a pity. This just happens all too often.

Pushka, you had the money, and you had the personnel to man and support them.
The problem is that you designed, researched, and produced them all in what should have been no more than a few weeks in game time. You must understand that in conflict RPs, time slows down considerably (relative time in NS is quite variable, and no one who knows much will use a constant for everything). While 1 or 2 days is okay if you're using 1 day = 1 NS year, it just doesn't pan out during a war RP due to the slowed time. It's not fair to your opponent for you to be able to increase your equipment by a phenominal amount in just the time it takes him to deploy what he already has. Even if you'd purchased it from someone else, it wouldn't have all come in time for the war, and it would still take months to deploy all those vehicles and train your troops in their use and operation. By the time you were finished, the war would be over.
Thus, in an RP like this, you're limited to a relatively small increase over what you already have available, due to inability to get more in time.

Also watch out for instant deployments. They should generally take a few weeks to a few months, depending on distance and transport method.

Another big no-no here was that you went through with something that greatly affected Crimsdale without giving him any time to react. You can work out other things, but the major actions should wait until there is a response from all those affected. Failing to do so is unfair, and breeds the anger and disgust which is now pervading this thread.


This one looks to be over for now, but to keep these ideas in mind in future RPs.

OOC:Crimsdale... I DEMAND to know the losses from my Burst Warhead attack. I reiterate the fact that you should have lost several regiments(maybe even three divisions!) from the detonations.
I believe he's ignoring you because you joined, fired, switched sides, and redirected your missiles all before he had a chance to say anything.
Frankly, I'd be inclined to ignore that too.

OOC:I unerstand what you mean with the rp story and stuff and this is all tying in to it. Man Pushka sure has some very ADD like tendancies. You need to calm down man.

By the way I am not American ya dumbass piece of shit. And learn how to spell slitting

OOC: Oh the spelling comment. This is my second language you moron, try to speak Russian, see how you fail.

OOC: Right now I am talking to certain C A D leaders and requesting them to try and persuade Crimsdale to leave Pushka alone, until a truly valid reason for war appears. I have puppets, none with forum access yet though.

OOC: Pushka: lets try not to get to offensive against Americans, I myself am one (in the good ole state of Iowa), and I would prefer it if you tried to keep your messages like that to yourself.

OOC: Alright man sorry if i offended you, also to Clan Jaguar, i didn't know that. I read the NationStates stickie (well some of it) and saw that its alright for technology to be considered developed after one or two days. That kind of got me an idea, but i understand it now. Anyways, we back to normal time so i am gonna give it till saturday before all my army is trained and equiped with all the stuff i already said it is equiped with.

I believe he's ignoring you because you joined, fired, switched sides, and redirected your missiles all before he had a chance to say anything.
Frankly, I'd be inclined to ignore that too.

OOC:WTF?! If you read the forum VERY carefully... I never fired those missiles until AFTER I switched sides.

OOC:Crimsdale... I DEMAND to know the losses from my Burst Warhead attack. I reiterate the fact that you should have lost several regiments(maybe even three divisions!) from the detonations.

IC: Direct message to President of Pushka
"As amends for us joining the wrong side of the conflict we offer you the designs to a ETC(Electro Thermal-Chemical) Cannon completely free... we even offer to reequip half of your T-95s with the ETC guns. We also offer to sell you our state of the art Mobile Howitzer System, the ART-30 Ravager(8 million USD per howitzer), the MDM-1 Handheld Anti Tank Rocket Launcher(1,200 USD per launcher), and the MDM-2 Handheld SAM(1,500 USD per launcher. We also offer the SHRIKER-2 Multi Purpose Defence Cannon(MPDC)(11 million USD per emplacement), and the ART-20 Stationary Artillery Emplacement(13 million USD per emplacement)."

OOC2: The ART-30 Ravager uses a single 175 mm ETC gun to blow away targets up to 17 miles away accurately. The MDM-1 Rocket Launcher is a 88mm rocket launcher that has a penetration rate of 600 mm of steel armor. The MDM-2 SAM is a smaller version of the QMAAM(although here the name would be QMSAM). The SHRIKER-2 MPDC uses dual 125 rifled barreled cannons which fire both AT Shells, AA Shells, and HE-F(High Explosive-Fragmentation) Shells. The ART-20 is a 210 mm Rifled Artillery Cannon that CANNOT be moved. It can attack targets 20 miles away.


We thank you for your offer, we accept and need a time to think on the actual ammount of each time we will wish to purchase

OOC: Too tired to think right now, and i still got to finish them reports. I'll try to post again in a couple of hours if i don't fall asleep. Man who created coffee, you have my gratitude.

OOC:WTF?! If you read the forum VERY carefully... I never fired those missiles until AFTER I switched sides.
Sorry, my mistake.
However, he still had asked to have the fight postponed until he got back, and you still fired before then, so it's within his right to ignore it, as you failed to abide by his request.

Sorry, my mistake.
However, he still had asked to have the fight postponed until he got back, and you still fired before then, so it's within his right to ignore it, as you failed to abide by his request.

Wrong answer, he was back before then, he even sent 500,000 troops and ships and other supplies at that time, and somewhere around 2 pages later the attack was launched, I believe this is technically stating that Crimsdale would land, and even if he didn't he said he was pulling his forces back and retreating for the time being, stating that he had landed, nullifying any option he had to deny the attack.

Also, is this war or engagement generally over?

Basically, my nation now needs time to heal and develop. Once the Plasma Shield technology is complete we will share it with our every major ally, with no charge. You helped save our motherland, this is the least we can do.

I would say it's finished, nearly enough OOC talk to fit into the General forum.
And I didn't even get to do much, it went so fast, all mostly while I was asleep.

Furthermore, war RP's should be done with other players, and against other nations, if not, the presented story conflicts in itself, and little is acheived.

Furthermore, war RP's should be done with other players, and against other nations, if not, the presented story conflicts in itself, and little is acheived.

OOC:

Heh. Can't have put it better myself.

But hey, no worries. Think of this as a learning curve... next little conflict that arises, we can really make a ripper out of it.

IC:

The Commonwealth will extract our troops from Pushka in stages, unless this nation requires any security help. We also offer an extension of duty for our police forces if you need them.

We will also have one carrier group on standby in the case of any submarine activity.

Chimaea hopes to extend further diplomatic relations with Pushka when the situation stabilises.

~Chimaean Foriegn Ministry

Yes, the nation of Turetel is retracting all forces in the area at the time and placing the 73rd Armoured and the 111th Infantry (221,000 men) to help guard and protect Pushka for a little while longer. The Secondary Infantry of the 111th (22,000 men) will be staying for the longest time. Good job guys, only 1 real causualty, and violence was generally saved.

OOC:WTF?! If you read the forum VERY carefully... I never fired those missiles until AFTER I switched sides.

I am ignoring you for just those reasons, I clearly said I was gone this weekend and thats when you attacked me. You seem like a dumbass to me.

OOC:Monday isnt a weekend day... and dont call me a dumbass, thats flame baiting. You know you cant do that.