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OOC:
Because I am missing all the fun with my friends I'll try to squeeze some free time in my weekly work schedule. If I don't reply every day to your posts, don't worry. I usually have a few hours for myself during the weekends. You can expect most of my posts then. Furthermore, I'm not going into any OOC discussions with anyone. It's a waste of time and frankly, I've had enough of them the last couple of months. If you have something important to say wheter it be IC or OOC, you can TG me or if you know my e-mail, use that. I prefer the latter since I check it daily.

When you RP in this thread I'd like to know what I'm facing. Don't know what I mean? Post your troop numbers OOC. For a few people out there: ignorning me still? That's good, I have less people to worry about. First there will be some basic information about my army structure and the most important military branches. Numbers and stuff will be posted on request. When I-don't-know-how-many-people find it necessary to dogpile me, consider it ignored. it takes all the fun away from the actual fighting.

@ Independent Hitmen: If you read this then Poland will be mine. Six weeks ago me and Dr_Twist made the OOC agreement that he will get Poland to play around with. When I'd come back the deal was that I will gain full control over Poland again. MSN Logs are available for you if you need them. I'm also ignoring the fact Russian Forces took over Lithuania. I couldn't defend it ICly and that doesn't mean I wouldn't do if I had the chance.

Introduction to Guffingford

This is a semi-IC/OOC guide. Most stuff is roughly known to the outside world except the orders of knights who make up the most elite fighting forces available. I won’t make this into some horrible numberwanking guide filled with the most sophisticated terms for up-to-and-beyond hyper modern technology standards. You won’t see any numbers involving force here.
Oh yeah, if you want to RP war with me consider I know absolutely nothing of present day military hardware. When I say, for example, I attack your helicopters with my missiles assume I hit your forces with the most reasonable hit ratio and the best weapons available. My economy allows it unless I say otherwise. Nukes ruin wars unless I want to use them or others agree to the use of them.

Who’s who? (IC)
There are quite a few characters I use(d) for my Holy Panooly RP’s and some of them make a return in Guffingford. In fact, I used a lot more characters but they didn’t really play a role in my nation. The ones I like/use most are back in Guffingford.
For those who don’t know what HP did check his post history. I stopped playing with Holy Panooly because I wanted to do something new. A new nation, a new start without being six million again. I still use HP but only for RWC organization, setting up meetings and maybe a war involving everybody in the RWC but that’s it. Guffingford is my freelance nation, not tied to any alliance. Although Guff isn’t RWC, he’s allied to many members.

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Name: Franck Gerlach
Rank: Führer of National Socialist Guffingford
Achievements: Controlling Guffingford with an iron fist, purifying communism away and planned and executed the successful attacks on Glemte Hage, Godular and Hataria.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: Immeasurable. Gassing of minorities with zyklon-B; deportations; installing an apartheid regime; endorsement of nazi dictatorship; endorsement of medical experiments on living humans; endorsement of nazi concentration camps; racism; fascism; declared Hitler’s birthday a national holiday; openly praising and endorsing ‘Mein Kampf’; fanatical supporter of National Socialism; ordered the arrest and execution of resistance fighters in person; illegal annexation of African countries; slavery; genocide in Glemte Hage; nuclear strike on Godular; harbouring Holy Panooly war criminals, actively funding neo-nazi groups in sovereign nations; destruction of Islamic presence in Western-Europe; mass executions in Spain and Portugal; ordered construction of concentration camps in Africa. [Five pages of accusations left out].

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Name: Tilmun, surname unknown.
Rank: Emperor of Guffingford and all colonies; symbolic position
Achievements: Gave the Guffingford economy a substantial boost and re-organized the military in various effective ways.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: n/a.

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Name: Constantine, surname unknown.
Rank: Vice-Emperor of all Guffingford colonies; symbolic position
Achievements: Conquered the current Guffingford African colonies.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: Leader of several death- and labour camps in the African colonies.

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Name: Adolph Leighmar
Rank: Chancellor of the Führer’s cabinet
Achievements: Former fascist dictator of Holy Panooly, fled to Guffingford after Holy Panooly’s empire collapsed under it’s own weight to escape the mass executions done by partisans to punish the war criminals. Led an unsuccessful campaign against Hadula, tried to start a war with Camewot but failed miserably. His most prominent achievement is the alliance called ‘Right Wing Collective’. Hints of his insanity can be seen in the alliance name, he was so obsessed with butchering communism in Holy Panooly he put the word collective in the name as a sign the alliance can take everything they encounter.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: Sales of chemical/biological weapons to terrorist nations; support of terrorist networks; funding of terror networks; aiding of terror networks; war crimes against British Communist soldiers invading Holy Panooly in 1st war; war crimes against British Communist soldiers invading Holy Panooly in 2nd war; start of ethnic cleansings the size of several small nations; violating UN law by dumping toxic waste in vulnerable natural environments; banning all human rights agencies from Holy Panooly; unauthorized use of chemical weapons against undesirable elements in Holy Panooly; leader of concentration camps during the first and second Panooly civil wars.

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Name: Klaus Schilling, Ph.D.
Rank: Former Holy Panooly official presidential advisor, fled to Guffingford after he left his wife and children to distract the partisans hot on his heels from taking him alive. He is also the Chairmen of the Society for Medical Progress; a cover up for medical experiments on living humans, preferably children. Popular columnist and writer of many books about praising nazis, racism and the apartheid in South-Africa.
Achievements: Large influence on the masses with his writing and constant bashing of minorities; strives to secure a future for all Aryan people and discovered several undisclosed medicines against illnesses after experimenting for years on children.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: Cruel medical experiments; spreading hate; racism; personal murderer of hundreds of children in racial biological experiments; leader of eight death camps; murder of twenty one British Communist soldiers after the war.

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Name: Solan Rixx
Rank: n/a; Freelance
Achievements: Someone who can be best described as an archaeologist who went mad. Solan Rixx worked long and hard for various oil companies to excavate the ground in search for ancient artefacts to infuse some cash in the coffers of the CEO’s. Not too long after he resigned he was hired by Adolph Leighmar as his personal man behind many excavations in Holy Panooly. A notorious grave robber, looter, plunderer and marauder Solan Rixx devoted his career to uncovering the mysteries of the civilization who lived before the arrival of French colonists in Holy Panooly, or Plánonacu as it was called in ancient texts. Exiled from many countries, a fatwa called on him by a high ranked Muslim and wanted dead or alive in seventy nations world wide Solan Rixx has plundered almost six hundred million for himself from all sorts of graves and other historical sites.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: Use of slaves; slavery; executions; sacrilege; leader of two concentration camps.

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Name: Leonard Ynsson
Rank: General of the QRF (Quick Reaction Force)
Achievements: Colonized some land RomeW discovered but lost it to foreign invaders because of his lack of organizing skills. Eventually he was promoted as the first leader of the QRF which overran Glemte Hage and the nuking of Godular. A real military mastermind who holds true to the world honour and loyalty. The nazi SS saying “my honour is loyalty” has became the official motto of his QRF. He was offered a higher rank as campboss but refused.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: n/a.

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Name: Dominic Templeton
Rank: Baron of southern Holy Panooly islands
Achievements: During the short war against Sarzonia this man led the resistance when ground troops landed on Holy Panooly soil. Though beaten back, the spirit of resistance was never broken. A few naval victories are also added to his CV, but there was nothing heroic about that. When the Holy Panooly government went into another dark age Dominic Templeton quickly made himself master of all southern islands. In the consternation when the government ultimately fell, Templeton secured 30 percent of the southern regions under his reign.
War crimes/crimes against humanity: When the Sarzonian ships were destroyed by Panoolian vessels under Templeton’s command he personally executed thirteen surviving sailors including the captain and his navigator. The remaining crew members were implemented to torture and sacrifice by the local native tribes. Dominic Templeton is a sworn aristocrat who does whatever he pleases. His servants obey his bidding at all times, making him one of the few lords with a standing army in the region.

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Regular Guffingford soldier (specifications OOC/Secret IC)
Armour: Level III-A Kevlar
Armaments: All troops carry the standard Beretta 93r sidearm - full automatic/3 round burst/single round version,
Machinegunner: MG42 upgraded version allowed to have a cycling rate of 800 RPM; titanium barrel to prevent the usual overheating problems; 200 5.56mm round belt; able to carry three boxes.
Scout: m14 rifle upgraded to hold a 30 round box magazine; laser pointer; scope.
Soldier - medium range combat: H&Kg3a3 7.62×51mm polymer fabric assault rifle; 20 rounds box capacity; twelve clips.
Soldier - close range combat: Saiga12k 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun; six clips or K23m heavy shotgun twenty-eight 4 gauge shells and twenty 30 gram slugs. Choice of shotgun depends on soldier.
Boots: Steelcapped soldier boot. Watertight and very resistant to heat and cold. Keeps feet dry under all acceptable military circumstances, swamps and other natural hazards included.
OOC Notes: All these troops have an extreme belief in an afterlife in Heaven with Christ so they are never afraid to die. Some of them will commit a final suicidal attack when given the oppertunity. This makes them even more dangerous and can withstand the horrors of war because of their faith.

The orders of knights in Guffingford (semi secret IC)
Since medieval times knights have played a very important role in the totalitarian society of Guffingford over the ages. Many orders ceased to exist years ago, were outlawed or merged with other more powerful orders. The most prominent ones are described here. All these orders are incorporated in the Guffingford administration. Not because they play such an important role in daily life, but to protect them from the SS, Stasi and Gestapo.

Knights of the Iron Cross
This is order is the most recent founded in 1871 after the German victory over France. These elite troops all carry on the traditions of pre-WW1 Imperial Germany and all members’ forefathers must have been awarded in person by Bismarck with an Iron Cross to become part of this group. This is the most modern order of knights, who solely rely on the most modern types of equipment. The famous Swiss Guard who protects The Holy See is trained by members of this order.

Order of Creation
This order of knights is the most devout to Christianity. Highly dangerous on the battlefield, skilled with a variety of firearms and artillery and their extreme religious convictions make them the zealous fighters of Guffingford. To become a member you most prove your worth by offering your daughter as a sacrifice to the order. This ritual has become the national saying of Guffingford: “Oh Master, accept mine daughter as our sacrifice to you”. Some people claim these warriors are so steadfast in their belief they could match the brutal force of Automagfreek’s sentinels in war or even Pantera’s reavers. So far, they haven’t proved this.

Order of the Holy Acolytes
A special devision of the Order of Creation. These acolytes are perhaps the most religious forces of the entire planet, ready to die for Christ at any given moment. These knights make up the leadership of the SS (State Services), Gestapo (Geheime Staats Polizei or Secret State Police), Stasi (Staats Siecherheid or State Security) and the regular police forces. No one outside the government is safe from them.

Order of the Royal Knights
The most esteemed order of Guffingfordii knights, what they lack on the battlefield they make up in the economy. Virtually all members except their guards work in the most respected financial institutions of the world. Some of the most richest persons of the world are member of this order. If you want to become a member you need to prove you are a true addition to the order, in economical terms. This order has been awarded for their continuing contribution to the Guffingford society with five Crosses of St. John.

Order of Holy Wisdom
Without a doubt this is the most mysterious order of knights. Except the members, no one knows a thing about the hierarchy, leaders or its motives. How to become a member, however, is known to only a select group of outsiders. Instead of being a Christian order, this one is home to atheists of Guffingford. Although despised by many, the government decided not to outlaw this one to prevent rioting of its members. This is clearly a sign the government knows about its military potential. When needed, the government calls these members to spy on other nations. No one knows who founded it, when, where and why.

Order of Byzantine Restoration (AKA “The Greek Order”)
The oldest of all knightly orders in Guffingford, founded in the year 537. Although many doubt this order is the oldest. The members of Byzantine Restoration carry the blood of this ancient core of elite soldiers of the Byzantine army. Although they haven’t been on the battlefield since 1453 these soldiers make up some of the best commanding officers in the Guffingfordii armies. Although Guffingford is a nation who’s official religion is Greek Orthodox Christianity, this is the only Greek Orthodox order of knights. This order is also the most diplomatic active one. The banner of this order is also the state flag of Guffingford. The main target of this order is to revive the Byzantine Empire in all its former glory. Their objective is great but nothing of their ambitious plans has become reality. In fact, no one believes they will even gain as much political power as they used to have.

Knights of the Golden Hand
A seafaring clan, the members of the Golden Hand have always lived near or on the high seas. Traders by nature, these knights make up the commanding ranks of the Guffingfordii navy. General Ynsson is one of them. There’s not much interesting about this one, its probably the order who most seen in daily life of Guffingford. The only thing that bothers outsiders about this order is their profitable slave trade from Africa to Europe.

Brotherhood of Koh-I-Noor
Machines, technology and preservation are the most important words for this brotherhood. A gear in the old flag symbolized this, which was adapted a few months after James Watt invented the steam engine. This was removed in 1917 when communism came to power in Russia. Now the brotherhood uses the face of the founding father as their symbol. Koh-I-Noor is the ancient Persian name for the holy mountain Ararat in Turkey. This order has the most members, around 8 million mainly because this order puts most of its effort in better living standard for the Guffingford workers.

Military organization (secret IC)
>>> HP army structure (NO NUMBERWANKING HERE!) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354999)

IC:
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'Ladies, gentlemen, children! Harken! Today is a memorable day of celebration. The New Holy Scripture of Lord Axelrod Procyon has ended. We must start anew. Our most highest acolyte of Greek Christianity, the esteemed and respected Könrad Sachenspiegel shall start writing in exile today on the Azores, as Lord Procyon predicted.
The dawn of the modern era is at hand my friends. Hold thine bible and rifle to thine heart and slay the heathen. They have set foot on the lands held by our blood brothers in Imperial Armies, and they must die. We cannot...' The spokesmen couldn't end his sentence and the manical shouting and screaming of the population overpowered his voice.
'SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER! LET THEIR BLOOD FLOW THROUGH THE STREETS! LET THEIR LIMBS BE CUT! LET THEIR SOULS BE CURSED! HEIL JESUS! HEIL JESUS!' The yelling grew more silent and died out after a few minutes. The spokesman continues his speech.
'We cannot allow these heathens who are so full of themselves to rule our fair Christian brothers in Belem or any other country we are allied with. Look at this film my friends and decide if you want to betray your country!'
The majestic silver screen was lit behind the man on the stage and the crowd looked; was the Satan on display? Who was it? The Anti-Christ? Nay. It was Damien Dreadfire.
Mothers covered the eyes of their daughters and boys looked steadfast at the screen. No horror or abomination could sway their look from the big screen. Then the film started. Even the people who forged it would have sworn it was real; the might of deception and lies was endless and omnipresent in Guffingford.
Damien Dreadfire laid on the groud with his mouth wide open. A male figure, who's identity is unknown was holden his ass above the opened mouth of Dreadfire.
The crowd was shocked and appalled. An act of homosexuality in Guffingford! This man... He is on film, eating the feces of another human being! A man began to vomit, an older women weeped. God must act now! He must inspire us with the power to kill and banish this madman to the nether regiosn of hell who spawned him. A helicopter flew over the people numbered tens of thousands and started to throw out forms to sign up for the armies. Meanwhile, the man on the stage spoke again.
'This lunatic, this heathen! He will rule our lands, rape our women, molest our children and try to ban Christianity when he comes here! Sign up for the army! Protect your family! Home, friends and family! SIEG HEIL!'

Borders of Dr_Twist and Russian Forces...
'Our orders from the top are clear; We must defend our homeland against these communist pigs. The methods of defence are trenches, anti-tank ditches, minefield, artillery barges on rivers, machinegun nests, barbed wire, defensive graphite bombardment, moats around cities and some other classified things. I want this to be set up ASAP, use all people available from the labour camps.'
'Aye Sir!'

OOC:
That's correct, there's no talk about a moblization. SO THERE ISN'T ONE GOING ON.

ooc: TAG for later ic post.

Communist pigs eh?

Tag for possible involvement.

Maybe....If I have time.

We're still bitter about the Nuking.

But we're FT now, so all we can do is send your national leaders spam e-mail.

tag

Tag... welcome back HP...

OOC:
If I even get the feeling someone knows ICly about these plans it's ignored beforehand. This is secret IC, that means no one is supposed to know about it. It also means when someone suddenly decides to enforce his rivers or other things one wouldn't have done if he didn't knew the following IC message. On a sidenote, I don't know for sure but I have the feeling some idiot is leaking information from the RWC forums to the coalition of NWO/METUS/RBA. I find it necessary to point this out again, and now in public: directly taken from RWC rules - unimportant clauses left out

RULES - Read this 5 or 6 times.
To the idiots who come here and to 'spy' on us:

Don't bother visiting this place because all of the stuff here is OOC organization. There's NO roleplaying here whatsoever so any evidence gathered against us will be considered as fraudulent and false.

When you register here you agree to the following:

1. Whatever I see here is something I cannot use on NationStates due to being OOC. Betrayal is stupid because all evidence found here against us is considered OOC. And who cares about votes for war against people?

(...)

Thanks.

So there you have it. Now, if I notice any of our enemies using information from there (completely OOC RWC forums) on nationstates (IC roleplay, planning & preperation) then it's ignored. I have instructed all RWC members to do so. In short, don't fuck things up just to secure the win. In fact, if all our plans are somehow thwarted without a proper OOC explanation how you got the knowledge, without the pathetic "contact" or "insider" excuse of course, you can kiss this RP goodbye. Don't blame us, blame the person responsible for leaking. I think we all know who to blame, and it ain't us. If you call this bullshit or whatever, I don't care about it for a moment. We have to accept things we don't like, and know you'll have to play with this.

SECRET IC - a few weeks later
'Please, gentlemen, sit down. Our army command has given me the explicit orders to unfold the plan we had since the days we tried to conquer Spain. As you all are aware of, those scoundrels at the Red Bloc Army and New World Order betrayed the RWC alliance. Therefore I and my colleagues have worked on an ambitious plan to steamroll Dr_Twist and to cripple the NWO leadership.'
The men and women opened their mouths to speak but didn't. Everyone saw the look on each others face, filled with exitement.
'But how are we going to do this?' A small man with a red face asked.
'It involves very precise timing, accurate planning and Gods Will. Our encampments near the Russian Forces/Dr_Twist border are complete as well as most of the defensive perimeters. We expect an invision on the whole length of the Polish border as well as an invision on Lithuanian soil. Maybe they are going to focus all their forces on one particular weak point in our defence, or a stronghold guarding the way to the west. If they do, a massive volley of missiles will keep them at bay long enough for reinforcements to arrive.
Most of our defenses are invisible to satellites and radar planes. What we have set up are cardboard tanks, fake camps and other objects to distract the Dr_Twist and Russian Forces command. If they invade Lithuania, we have ten highly trained regiments of Finnish soldiers consisting of fourthousand men each ready to take the city of Murmansk and the northen navy. We have also mined the whole region around the north cape between the northpole and Norway, with a density not even a minesweeper can work there without being blown to bits. To protect the passage way to the North Atlantic we have also set up some mines linked together which can be triggered manually to disable any passing enemy fleet. If Russian Forces dares to attack us, we will take the sector of Russian territory around Kaliningrad and set an example.'
What kind of example Sir? Again this question came from the little man. His nose turned purple and still he was drinking more Scotch.
'We will kill every citizen and steal all art from the cities museums. But let me continue describing the plans...
Dr_Twist is a diffirent story, the natural hazards of the Balkan are easy to defend, but are quite vulnerable to carefully planned guerrilla strikes. I believe we must rely on the latter to successfully cripple any offensive actions by Dr_Twist. When most of the military assets in the border areas have been destroyed we can blitz the nations of Austria, Czech Republic and Switzerland. Our main base of operations in the Alps is Lichtenstein, and we must start the initial assault of assaulting guerrilla fighters from there, letting them swarm into Italy, Austria and Slovenia. Now I must ask our naval commander to make a more elaborate explanation about the assault over the Danube and Inn rivers.'
'Thank you Sir. Our patrol boats and small battleships are extremely suited from river battles. We have a ten to one chance they will never expect a naval assault in the middle of Europe, when we have taken the river and its many bridges we will attack the cities of Innsbruck with small raft and Vienna with our small class battleships. All battlegroups will have a large quantity of war equipment and men to invade the cities from within. A city battle is something they won't like and we hope they will turn them into rubble - it will make it even easier for us to defend it. Rome can also be attacked from within, our experts are already in the city. The Swiss guard gained more followers from the Knights of the Iron Cross, having now 2000 men hiding in the small Vatican state. We will not be using the streets for the assault, but the sewers. When our troops have secured the cities Venice and Genoa we can start transportation from Belgium and The Netherlands to Italy. We will have to bypass the cities of Milan and Turin to allow a combined assault from the Po and the ground. When Rome and the north have fallen into our hands, Italy will most likely surrender.

We must also create havoc within the borders of Dr_Twist. And that's even more simple than you might think. The Balkan region has always been an unstable place on the European map. It started when the Turkish Empire was at its peak and it has been ever since. Eruptions of violence and nationalism have been a daily routine with the outburts during WW1 and the wars and ethnic cleansings in Kosovo and former Yugoslavia. We must aim for those weaknesses in his country. There are Muslims, Greek Orthodox Christians and Catholics all scattered around like the Austro-Hungarian empire, Dr_Twist lacks two very important factors of making your nation successful: unity and brotherhood. The many cultures, religions and races make up an extremely volatile mix which can be triggered given the right circumstances. I propose starting another Balkan conflict, with so many things at stake I believe we can be reasonably successful in doing so. What we need to do is the following: Or Greek brothers in the Athos monastery have always been very loyal to heirs of the Byzantine Empire. If we can convince them to rally men and women who are willing to give their lives for the greater good we just might to make a civil militia to go rampant through the Muslim areas. When the goins get a litte too hot there, Dr_Twist will be more busy taking care of his own nation and restoring law and order before his empire completely collapses under our boots or the inner struggle by its population. When Dr_Twist has been conquered, Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland, Italy and Greece will be added to our domain. What we will do with his remaining territory is being thought out, but we must try to make the best out of it for the locals. But remember, these plans must be signed by the Führer himself if we want to execute them. This means in no way we are at war with either Dr_Twist or Russian Forces.'

This was the end of the meeting, the men and women shook hands and left the hall.

Final OOC note: Because Chellis and Hamptonshire were so friendly of ignoring me I don't expect trouble from them. Yes it's rather convenient to unignore me now but that's not important or is it? If people don't respect the history of nations or deny the existence of those mentioned and claim it's "all mine and it has always been mine" then this is a waste of time.

OOC:
RULES - Read this 5 or 6 times.
To the idiots who come here and to 'spy' on us:

Don't bother visiting this place because all of the stuff here is OOC organization. There's NO roleplaying here whatsoever so any evidence gathered against us will be considered as fraudulent and false.

When you register here you agree to the following:

1. Whatever I see here is something I cannot use on NationStates due to being OOC. Betrayal is stupid because all evidence found here against us is considered OOC. And who cares about votes for war against people?

(...)

Thanks.

ooc: That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Raiding "enemy" forums, inserting spys and obtaining "classified" off-forum material has always been a cornerstone of NS conflict. You can post the rule, just as the RL intelligence community forces people to sign declarations of loyality - but it doesn't mean its going to be followed, nor does it mean that information isn't going to be used against them.

To say that strategic and tactical planning are ooc just because they aren't on the NS forum is foolish.

W.

ooc: That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Raiding "enemy" forums, inserting spys and obtaining "classified" off-forum material has always been a cornerstone of NS conflict. You can post the rule, just as the RL intelligence community forces people to sign declarations of loyality - but it doesn't mean its going to be followed, nor does it mean that information isn't going to be used against them.

To say that strategic and tactical planning are ooc just because they aren't on the NS forum is foolish.

W.

Wolf... the Strategy and Planning of the RWC are made on an OOC basis off the NS forums. Thus, they cannot be used as a basis for IC actions apart from warning said members lets say of an impending attack (lets say for the sake of argument). Since that would be against the 'spirit' of IC...

It's not a condemnation of spying in alliance forums thats been apart of online gaming ever since I started database/RP gaming about 5 years ago the point is the use of that information as basis for IC actions. Of course the whole point of spying is that it can't be proved or revealed with out revealing a lot about the internal workings of said alliance etc...

It isn't a 'bad' statement, it is how the game is played and the spirit of it, which may I remind you is all important in RPing.

I really don't want to hijack this thread - but I have to say this. Like in the NS forums, there are cases of IC comment and OOC comment in off-site boards. If a spy notes something said distinctly IC - then in spite of "rules" that information can be used IC in NS. That's the way I've always played NS and I'd suggest its the way most have played NS in the past.

We all know that the RWC has spies in the NWO - and NATO - and NATO and the NWO have spied in the RWC. Seems a lot like RL during the cold war.

OOC:
Can the RWC forum be any more OOC or off-topic? I want to leave it with this, because Wolfish I know that particular rule would piss people off. By the way, you approve the gathering of OOC information for IC roleplay? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

Now I want this RP to kept clean, so make an OOC thread for other chatter.

IC:
Official press release regarding our stance in the Automagfreek vs The Macabees conflict

'We are neutral in this conflict for the time being. We have no interest in turning this into a more global conflict. However, we are not a supporter of peace since Mr Dreadfire has clearly shown the world he is never interested in putting down weaponry. I do like to point out we currently seek no hostilities with both Dr_Twist and Russian Forces even though they have betrayed the RWC in the low manner only heathen nations like Automagfreek know.

Jack Shaw,
Magistrate of Poland & Lithuania

EDIT: We didn't have spies in NWO, NATO or RBA. Ever heard of psychological warfare? To be honest, Dr_Twist did most spying for us.

News flash ~ Guffingford starts military trainings in north-western Poland and Germany

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Today our racially aware government of Glorious National Socialist Guffingford on the day of our Good Lord 10th of December 2004 has given the green light to infantry and naval exercises in the East Sea. Due to the tense situation we have decided to perform these trainings in our territorial waters, without violating international seaways.

Our infantry exercises will be organized and held in north-western Poland and central Germany. Our armies must be ever vigilant to withstand any threat or horror facing them. The exact reason for this sudden training has not been given, but the omnipotent Führer of National Socialist Guffingford must have been inspired by God to do this.

And now other news...

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Today new punishments for pregnant women have been prediced by Könrad Sachenspiegel, the devine writer chosen by God to lead us to the heathens. In his everlasting wisdom Mr Sachenspiegel shared this happy news with us this morning from his castle in the Azores, his place of exile by the Grace of God. The new punishments are: floggings and shaving off all hair.
Today women walked through the streets to declare their support for these new punishments and praising Mr Sachenspiegel.

Thank you for watching the fair and balanced news bulletin provided by GBA

Nothing to see here. Move on...

OOC: Euro. his mobilization post was a secret IC you aren't supposed to know about it. Unless I am misreading it.

IC: The 2 million Rudolfensia forces in Dr. Twist continue to go about their business.
Ironically this involves half of them being involved in the annual training exercises on the Rudolfensian military bases located inside DT.

Secret IC: Rudolfensia Armed Forces Balkans Defense Command:
General Fox was the General in charge of all Rudolfensian forces in the Balkans and his area of responsibility included all of Eastern Europe, especially the Balkans. His orders were to ensure the defense of the Balkans. But he was disturbed at his new orders he had just received from Whittier City.
The mission of his troops was supposed to be self evident but he was told to prepare for offensive operations. He had been watching the news. But why would they need 5 million troops just to attack Macabbees? By pulling all of his forces out of DT, as he expected they would, they would be abandoning DT to its enemies.
Fox: The units in the field should be done in 3 more weeks. Once they are done, I want the ones in Garrison sent to the field immediately to start their annual 5 months long field training but I want them to start including live fire exercises in their field excersises. I want to make sure they are ready for whatever the folks back in Whittier decide to throw our way.
General McCannister: Our request for troop transports was unfortunately denied.
General Fox was furious, he was being kept in the dark and it made him angry: How the hell do they expect us to get our forces to Maccabees without troop transports? What the fuck does President Red Nose think he is doing?
General Democracy: There are reports that they are giving all the transports to units back in Rudolfensia to transport forces to an unknown location. We think they the transports are being used to send 3 million troops to attack Macabees. If that is so, it would seem they have decided not to use us. But I would note in the meantime that they have issued orders that everyone currently serving here in Dr. Twist is now banned from leaving the military for the time being but we are still getting fresh new troops. Many of the soldiers who were supposed to leave are a bit miffed but we have no answer for them.

Official Response To World
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Jesus christ Euro I thought someone like you would read the whole post instead of only the IC parts. And Whittier, you can't read either since I'm not mobilizing, I'm training my troops.
OOC:
If I even get the feeling someone knows ICly about these plans it's ignored beforehand. This is secret IC, that means no one is supposed to know about it. It also means when someone suddenly decides to enforce his rivers or other things one wouldn't have done if he didn't knew the following IC message.
IC post coming later.

OOC:
In case you are too lazy to read through the whole load of text, this is what happened so far:
1) Added 70% more security to the borders with Dr_Twist and Russian Forces
2) Military exercises in Poland and Germany
3) Statement regarding the war with The Macabees and Automagfreek is neutral; no hostilities are going to be declared.

SECRET IC:
Military headquarters, Berlin...
'Sir, the Führer has approved our plan, but has not yet signed it.'
'His wisdom of being patient on the right moments will give us more time to prepare. We must look before we are going off to war. I suggest we must start our special programme to start another Balkan conflict.'
Aye. We must get hold of our contacts in Serbia, they are still thirsty for Albanian blood.'
'Try to contact them, say they will receive support from our Gestapo and SS undercovers.'
'I will contact our naval base on the Azores to send out four trawlers with weaponry. Let them sail under a neutral flag... Bob-Bob or something. We will hide the weapons in the usual place?'
'Of course. We must be cautious, there might be enemy patrols in the Mediterranian.
'We might need some help from outsiders in our quest. I would like to take the oppertunity to ask Belem or any other for their assistence if we might be in a losing position.'
'I don't think it will happen, but we must be watchful. I will send a special encrypted message to their command to let them know of our plans.'

ENCRYPTED MESSAGE TO ~ Belem
SUBJECT ~ War plan against X
Respected reader of this message, as you may be aware of our plans to invade X, we might need assistance when our armies are in a position of no hope. As a stauch defender of Christianity we ask you if you are willing to give the lives of your men for Christ to rid the world of X.
Remember, we will call upon your aid and goodwillingness when we are in dire need of it.

Yours respectfully,
General Leonard Ynsson, Commander of the QRF.

SECRET IC:
The New Tower of Babel, Germany...
'The times are hard indeed for the pure of heart and soul. We can only pray to let this war end well and in our advantage.'
'Oh master Barbarry, I am very confident in the success of our Holy Mission. Our intelligence satellites confirmed what our undercover agents reported, there are foreign troops in Dr_Twist, a remainder of the civil war.'
'Troops of whom?'
'We are certain we have seen the Credonian flag, Euroslavian and other not yet indentified nations. One of these could very well be Russian Forces or Imperial Forces. We don't know this, we must work more on this important matter.'
'What will the time of our strike be? Spring, summer, autumn or perhaps winter?'
'Sir, my best bet will be summer. Our troops are trained for survival in all seasons but summer gives us an advantage. Easy hiding, able to forage and hunt for food and other abundant resources.'
'Good good. I received word from central command a message has been sent to Belem, maybe they can provide links with other nations who are willing to aid.'
'Correct, but if you excuse me I must return to my duties.'
'I will be seeing you more in the future, cheerio.'

SECRET IC:
A few days later...
'Ladies and gentlemen, the Führer has signed and ratified our plan officially. Sieg heil! Sieg heil!
To prevent any nations noticing our plans we must start mobilizing only when there's no turning back and the last forms have been approved by strategic command. Our military organization will only moblize in the southern provinces of our Empire during spring and the African colonies will start moblizing in a couple of days. All signs of pending military action must be avoided and all must indicate we are going to help Zarbia out.
Those men from Africa will be shipped here soon, but we must let them think they are ment for the Zarbian front with Pantera and such. To fool them even more, load several large transport ships with garbadge to let them think we are moving men and equipment to our African colonies. When everything is packed in crates and has sufficient protection from three battleships, they'll be fooled for sure.
When the ships return to pick up more cargo, we'll secretly load the ships with men from the African armies.'
The men and women in the halls of strategic command applauded and praised God and their Führer. Nothing was going to stop the Guffingfordii warmachine.

OOC: Guff i have troops there, 1 Corps in Twist and 1 Corps currently in the Ukraine training with RF, remenants of the civil war.

IC:

The KH-11 Recon Satellite came around on its twelfth pass over the Western Ukraine and up towards Belorussia. Seven of its cameras were tracking in on Poland and areas of Western Germany, observing the military exercises going on there. Since they had become common knowledge four of the satellites were watching them, nearly 24hour coverage, and the 'take' was being analysed by Military Intelligence at SunnyVille Air Force Base as it came in.

The massive base was sprawled across nearly seventy square miles and mostly consisted of underground bunkers, supposedly nuclear proof although it had never been tested. A bank of seven massive satellite dishes pointed up into the sky with hundreds of other small versions dotted around the site their white paint shimmering in the early morning South African sun.

They had several direct lines to the New White House, along with the Defence Department, the early warning nuclear strike base at Vanguard Air Force Base, and all other major military installations as telephones were still considered more secure than radios, especially those using the new STU-12I encryption.


Fort Cripps, South Western Romania, HQ of XII Corps

Lt.General Whitmore was inspecting some of his men from the 6th Infantry Division. They had just finished up some basic training drills with the complement of new recruits that had just joined this battalion fresh from IH, there skins still tanned despite the European rain that was now falling liberally around them turning the ground into mud before their eyes.

The men had formed up around the General, whoom didnt want to keep them in the cold rain for longer than necessary in their combat gear. Many were still wearing their body armour and carried weapons on them and the General didnt feel out of place in his woodland fatigues with his dual 1911's around his waist. The General had been talking very informally, as was his style, to a man who was from the same town that he had grown up in and after finishing he leaned against his Hummer to give a little speech to the men, dull and repetitive, but apparently needed.

As he began to talk a flight of UH-60's bearing the Red and White Lighting Strike of the 110th Cavalry Division came over low drowning out his voice as the troops all looked up into the rain.

After several minutes the General dismissed the men and returned to the front seat of his Hummer, throughally soaked to the skin but nevertheless enjoying it. In the back seat his Intelligence commander handed over a dossier on recent Guffingford training.

"Looks like they are warming up for something Tim, get me some photos and make sure they are cross-sent to the DoD and recommend telling our allies about it. Also id better talk to Humphries (commander VII Corps, RF)."

"Yes Sir." The Intelligence one-star jumped out of the Hummer and moved to the one directly behind which carried some radios that would be used to communicate it to the main station some five miles away at the base.



Twenty minutes later they were back at the base and after a brief shower and a change of clothes the General was heading for the Operations Room to review the past exercises with his four division commanders, 6th Infantry, 9th Infantry, 45th Mech and 110th Cav.

ooc: I have some forces in Dr_Twist too, originally six million but was downsized to half a million recently.

Jesus christ Euro I thought someone like you would read the whole post instead of only the IC parts. And Whittier, you can't read either since I'm not mobilizing, I'm training my troops.

IC post coming later.

Apologies, I'll edit that. Twas late...

Secret IC:

Encrypted Message to Guffingford
Subject: Redeployment of Troops

The Imperial Empire is fully backing the Invasion of X. And as of this time we will begin redeployment of our forces for wargames with Guffingford forces in order to better prepare them for the upcoming conflict. Pending your approval and confirmation of bases open to us.

SECRET IC:
MESSAGE TO ~ Belem
SUBJECT ~ Reply
Respected reader, we have heard and understood your message. You are hereby granted full access to all our civilian and military harbours and airfields. To be certain of the elemt of surprise, our strike must come at a moment where X shirks or when we have successfully found ways to destroy vital supply chains from within.

In order to keep our actions more secure, from now on all military business must be processed under the cloak of night.

Let none escape our blades.

IC:
GBA - Guffingford Broadcasting Agency
Today I have ordered small scale mobilizations in our African colonies and the Cape Verde islands have been appointed as the new regional headquarters. The mobilization will not be big since we are preparing for a humanitarian mission for those wounded by the war with Zarbia. The exact number of men mobilized is classified.

Thank you, Vice Emperor Constantine of Guffingfordian African Colonies.

Four Imperial Fleets are being sent to the Atlantic thearte to engage in naval wargames off the the coast of Europe with GF forces.


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In Belem

16 divisions prepare for mobilization and redeployment and begin loading aboard transport ships and aircraft preparing to engage in Wargames with GF forces in there training excerises.

ATTN: Dr Twist:

The Empire of Xeraph has received a message concerning a military build up in and around your territory. Our OSS-1 and OSS-2 scans show much activity around Twist, Guffingford, and Rudolfensia.

As The Empire has been a stalwart friend of Dr Twist, we wish to be of service to our trusted ally. Please let me know how I can be of help.

respectfully,

Alaric.......Emperor of Xeraph
Councilor Prime of GAPTS
7th Lord of AXE
Master of the Knights Templar
Regent of the Empire of One

ATTN: Dr Twist:

The Empire of Xeraph has received a message concerning a military build up in and around your territory. Our OSS-1 and OSS-2 scans show much activity around Twist, Guffingford, and Rudolfensia.

As The Empire has been a stalwart friend of Dr Twist, we wish to be of service to our trusted ally. Please let me know how I can be of help.

respectfully,

Alaric.......Emperor of Xeraph
Councilor Prime of GAPTS
7th Lord of AXE
Master of the Knights Templar
Regent of the Empire of One


OOC: Xeraph has had 2 CBG's in Twist for some time, as well as 1 AirWing. Xeraph has an extensive presence in the MedSea, including 11 CBG's. Each CBG has 16-19 ships: carriers, battleships, destroyers, missile ships, subs, and various supprot vessels.
46% of our Air, Armor, and Ground Forces are less than 36 hours from any point on the planet. 51% are less than 72 hours away, and the remainding 3% are available within 100 hours (these are mostly non-combatant units, such as MASH, Royal Guards, etc.)

We also have an extensive Space Fleet.

OCC: Poland hasn't Been Handed back at all, Just because you have Returned the Dr_Twist Government would still need to Hand back the Nation as such we haven’t so Poland is still in Dr_Twist Hands. And the Agreement before hand was that while you were away i would control the Nation until your Return when it would go back to Shared control. As such the Nation is still in my Full Command and will not Be handed back. If you Try to Claim the Nation as being yours it will Be Ignored.

Tag. Looks awesome.

Jesus christ Euro I thought someone like you would read the whole post instead of only the IC parts. And Whittier, you can't read either since I'm not mobilizing, I'm training my troops.

IC post coming later.
I know you aren't mobilizing. I was just moving my forces around in response to recent statements I made about of Mac. and those movements would relate to this conflict.

I know you aren't mobilizing. I was just moving my forces around in response to recent statements I made about of Mac. and those movements would relate to this conflict.

However the Dr_Twist Government has Reacted to Satellite Photo's that Show an Increase of Guffingford Forces on Dr_Twist Boarders as Such the Dr_Twist Government has Responded by Closing its Boarders with Guffingford.

OOC: Just for future notice, in this RP, Euroslavia is located in Austria. Dr Twist approved of this as well.

Today, in response to the announcement by Guffingford, we are going to have 5 of our military spy sats take photo and video surveillance. One of the sats will take radiation, x-ray, and infrared images.
We believe that if Guffingford's training exercises really are not intended as a threat, they will not mind us taking the photos. Either way, in accordance with international law, we are well within our rights to use our sats to take photos of his nation. Today we are invoking this right.

Today, in response to the announcement by Guffingford, we are going to have 5 of our military spy sats take photo and video surveillance. One of the sats will take radiation, x-ray, and infrared images.
We believe that if Guffingford's training exercises really are not intended as a threat, they will not mind us taking the photos. Either way, in accordance with international law, we are well within our rights to use our sats to take photos of his nation. Today we are invoking this right.

OOC: Perhaps you are unaware that all satellites passing above Guffingford space are shot down by his own satellites to avoid unfortunate pre-emptive attacks. How do I know this? As he uses my satellites to do it.

OOC: Perhaps you are unaware that all satellites passing above Guffingford space are shot down by his own satellites to avoid unfortunate pre-emptive attacks. How do I know this? As he uses my satellites to do it.

OCC: Shooting down other Nations Satellites is like Sinking other Nations Ships, its grounds for War between the Nations.

OCC: Shooting down other Nations Satellites is like Sinking other Nations Ships, its grounds for War between the Nations.

OOC: However, positioning satellites over someone’s nation especially when they are not a neutral nation in fact especially when they have displayed open hostilities can be understood. I am sure Guffingford will refund the cost of the destroyed satellites as to insure no unfortunate conflicts.

OOC: However, positioning satellites over someone’s nation especially when they are not a neutral nation in fact especially when they have displayed open hostilities can be understood. I am sure Guffingford will refund the cost of the destroyed satellites as to insure no unfortunate conflicts.

OCC: However those Nation still have the Rights to Place there Satellites there, Just like Having a Navy just inside international Waters but right next to your National Waters, They are Legally Allowed to be there, and as such Shooting down those Satellites is grounds for Retaliation, from That Nation and its Allies.

OOC: Really who made up that law for International Incidents? Guffingford nor Unified Sith signed it therefore it does not apply to those nations unless those said nations signed a treaty. International law in this case means your laws. Regardless of this it is up to Guffingford what will happen. But that sats will most likely be shot down but who am I to judge.

Ok Enough cluttering the thread with OOC rubbish before Guffingford flames us to doom.

OOC: Really who made up that law for International Incidents? Guffingford nor Unified Sith signed it therefore it does not apply to those nations unless those said nations signed a treaty. International law in this case means your laws. Regardless of this it is up to Guffingford what will happen. But that sats will most likely be shot down but who am I to judge.

Ok Enough cluttering the thread with OOC rubbish before Guffingford flames us to doom.
Guff hasn't declared hostilities yet nor have I.
And the area of interplanetary space directly above one's nation, does not fall under your nation's jurisdiction but is international air space.
If he shoots them down, it will be an act of war and I will react accordingly.

This is a list of Sattalite systems we are loaning our allies.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380890

OOC:
Dr_twist, I'm calling you out on the Poland issue.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/manhattanproject120/msnlog.txt

Does anyone honestly thinks I will let that happen again? As far as I can see, Dr_Twist is plotting against Russian Forces and trying to gain more land. Granted, I should have never allowed this. Poland is mine, you agreed to this and I haven't seen in any of your threads a clear military presence in that nation. Period. Never mind its an OOC agreement...

IC:
Whittier or Rudolfensia or how he calls his nation this year has been sending spy satellites to us and openly admitted doing so. Now, we are going to do exactly the same. To be more exact, we will monitor your nation twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Every movement will be monitored. And since we don't like people who like to lurk like perverts do our satellites' defensive contraptions have been activated and will respond to any hostile satellites passing. We are warning you, don't tread on us.

Dr_Twist has openly started aggressive moves towards Guffingford and we will act accordingly. I have ordered Jack Shaw, the magistrate of Poland and Lithuania to arrest all Dr_Twist citizens currently residing in aforementioned countries and to put them on the other side of the border.

Because the leadership of Dr_Twist is obviously too naive to realize the current situation asks for more protection we will explain the following to you, a book called "Basic English and the Alphabet" has been sent to General Nomad in case he doesn't understand a word of it.
Because there is a coalition formed between the RBA, NWO and METUS we have decided to enforce our borders because we clearly see a threat facing us from the east and south. Please bear in mind Russian Forces is RBA, Dr_Twist is RBA and NWO and Euroslavia in Arda. This prompted us to follow the defensive policy we are executing now. We have and are still following a pacifist general policy and as you may be aware of, no hostilities have been declared.

Is this in any way unclear or unlogical? My cabinent doesn't think so. So we ask the inane leadership of Dr_Twist to reconsider their current actions. We haven't forgotten your previous deeds that harmed you and your reputation. The examples are scattered around my friends which show you all you need to know. But being the peaceful nation we are, we will not take any action against his nation. Let his people do so.

Adolf Leighmar,
Chancellor of Der Führer's cabinet

SECRET IC:
Strategic Headquarters, Amsterdam...
'I present thee, operation "Black Boot"'
Everybody in the hall clapped and shouted praises and louded the work of the army. Then they sat down and regained their serious and attentive attitude. Master Barbarry spoke.
'Damn those fools. When Belem has positioned his troops we must strike immediately, no further delays. I have compiled our general plan of invasion and possible defence. At our date marked "W" the following will happen:

1) A massive aerial assault will cripple the Dr_Twist border defences while artillery pounds at the small towns and cities to scare the local populance away. In the southern front a smaller aerial assault will destroy all car factories and other industries in Northern Italy

2) During the same day troops and tanks will form a massive juggernaut to overrun Czech Republic and Slovakia.

3) When troops are crossing the border of Czech Republic and Slovakia troops stationed in Southern Germany will cross the Dr_Twist border in Czech Republic again and steamroll to Hungary. To speed up our progress in Czech Republic we will be using boats to ship our troops more quicker to Prague.

4) The next day when the nations will start to mobilize I expect Vienna to have fallen by the combined Belem & Guffingfordian assault on Austria over land and the medium sized river vessels by the Guffingfordian navy. The Zarbian troops who are positioned in Poland will aid in the final assault on Hungary combined with Guffingfordian troops.

5) By this time Dr_Twist will be still mobilizing but very ineffective since the nations bordering on Guffingford are already under our control. When Austria has fallen, From South-Western Germany troops will invade Swizterland and march through the country onwards to Italy.

6) When the north of Italy has been conquered the cities of Genoa will open their harbors to Guffingfordian ships coming from The Netherlands and Belgium with supplies and other war equipment.

Today I have asked our Führer to start our secret mobilization. The men and women who trained are being exchanged for the 3rd and 4th armies. These training and exercises will take approximately one week. The 5th and 6th armies will replace them upwards to the 10th army.
The 1st and 2nd armies are ready to fight. We have also received word from Cape Verde the African troops are ready to be shipped to us. Those troops make up the 19th and 21st armies. When the attack starts, the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th armies will be moblized in the southern regions of European Guffingford.

Now if you excuse me gentlemen, I must go back with my staff and planners to calculate how many troops we need and where to dispatch them successfully. This meeting is adjourned.'

OOC notes:Twist, no more nation give-away. Euroslavia has Austria I'm fine with that. I know your kind, you're going to give Greece to AMF, Italy to ViZion and other countries to others or some trick like that only in this RP to secure your defenses. No more of that.
I also like to know where the bases are located, so there won't be "aah no I have a base there! Godmod!"
I want to know troop numbers of all parties. My numbers will be posted later on.
From now on all OOC chatter will be put in another thread.
I also want to know what kind of border defenses the parties have, I will also share them. I refuse to allow things to happen like this "I have mines and stuff and whatnot! You didn't know so your men are dead." It's kind of makes sense you post this everybody can look at another side of their border.
In the crucible thread, nobody had the slightest objection of letting me use 20 million soldiers not including logistics. Knowing the type of country I run, its perfectly feasable.

*Tag* HP, talk to you on MSN about this but may give support if needed.

SECRET IC:
Strategic Headquarters, Amsterdam...
'I will have to consult more with my advisors but I can present you the troop assessments in our country. Our allies in this upcoming conflict are: Belem, The Merchant Guilds and Zarbia. We can count on their help and unconditional loyalty.
Our armies are currently being in central Germany and Poland, awaiting our command. All armies that are currently moblized our are going to be moblized all have 1 million infantry units. A grand total of eleven million is ready for battle in the coming week(s).'

OOC: I'll continue this friday 24th of December. I want to limit this RP to a small quantity of active players. Too many people fuck this up. And we don't want that now do we?

OOC:
Dr_twist, I'm calling you out on the Poland issue.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/manhattanproject120/msnlog.txt

Does anyone honestly thinks I will let that happen again? As far as I can see, Dr_Twist is plotting against Russian Forces and trying to gain more land. Granted, I should have never allowed this. Poland is mine, you agreed to this and I haven't seen in any of your threads a clear military presence in that nation. Period. Never mind its an OOC agreement...

IC:
Whittier or Rudolfensia or how he calls his nation this year has been sending spy satellites to us and openly admitted doing so. Now, we are going to do exactly the same. To be more exact, we will monitor your nation twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Every movement will be monitored. And since we don't like people who like to lurk like perverts do our satellites' defensive contraptions have been activated and will respond to any hostile satellites passing. We are warning you, don't tread on us.

Dr_Twist has openly started aggressive moves towards Guffingford and we will act accordingly. I have ordered Jack Shaw, the magistrate of Poland and Lithuania to arrest all Dr_Twist citizens currently residing in aforementioned countries and to put them on the other side of the border.

Because the leadership of Dr_Twist is obviously too naive to realize the current situation asks for more protection we will explain the following to you, a book called "Basic English and the Alphabet" has been sent to General Nomad in case he doesn't understand a word of it.
Because there is a coalition formed between the RBA, NWO and METUS we have decided to enforce our borders because we clearly see a threat facing us from the east and south. Please bear in mind Russian Forces is RBA, Dr_Twist is RBA and NWO and Euroslavia in Arda. This prompted us to follow the defensive policy we are executing now. We have and are still following a pacifist general policy and as you may be aware of, no hostilities have been declared.

Is this in any way unclear or unlogical? My cabinent doesn't think so. So we ask the inane leadership of Dr_Twist to reconsider their current actions. We haven't forgotten your previous deeds that harmed you and your reputation. The examples are scattered around my friends which show you all you need to know. But being the peaceful nation we are, we will not take any action against his nation. Let his people do so.

Adolf Leighmar,
Chancellor of Der Führer's cabinet

SECRET IC:
Strategic Headquarters, Amsterdam...
'I present thee, operation "Black Boot"'
Everybody in the hall clapped and shouted praises and louded the work of the army. Then they sat down and regained their serious and attentive attitude. Master Barbarry spoke.
'Damn those fools. When Belem has positioned his troops we must strike immediately, no further delays. I have compiled our general plan of invasion and possible defence. At our date marked "W" the following will happen:

1) A massive aerial assault will cripple the Dr_Twist border defences while artillery pounds at the small towns and cities to scare the local populance away. In the southern front a smaller aerial assault will destroy all car factories and other industries in Northern Italy

2) During the same day troops and tanks will form a massive juggernaut to overrun Czech Republic and Slovakia.

3) When troops are crossing the border of Czech Republic and Slovakia troops stationed in Southern Germany will cross the Dr_Twist border in Czech Republic again and steamroll to Hungary. To speed up our progress in Czech Republic we will be using boats to ship our troops more quicker to Prague.

4) The next day when the nations will start to mobilize I expect Vienna to have fallen by the combined Belem & Guffingfordian assault on Austria over land and the medium sized river vessels by the Guffingfordian navy. The Zarbian troops who are positioned in Poland will aid in the final assault on Hungary combined with Guffingfordian troops.

5) By this time Dr_Twist will be still mobilizing but very ineffective since the nations bordering on Guffingford are already under our control. When Austria has fallen, From South-Western Germany troops will invade Swizterland and march through the country onwards to Italy.

6) When the north of Italy has been conquered the cities of Genoa will open their harbors to Guffingfordian ships coming from The Netherlands and Belgium with supplies and other war equipment.

Today I have asked our Führer to start our secret mobilization. The men and women who trained are being exchanged for the 3rd and 4th armies. These training and exercises will take approximately one week. The 5th and 6th armies will replace them upwards to the 10th army.
The 1st and 2nd armies are ready to fight. We have also received word from Cape Verde the African troops are ready to be shipped to us. Those troops make up the 19th and 21st armies. When the attack starts, the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th armies will be moblized in the southern regions of European Guffingford.

Now if you excuse me gentlemen, I must go back with my staff and planners to calculate how many troops we need and where to dispatch them successfully. This meeting is adjourned.'

OOC notes:Twist, no more nation give-away. Euroslavia has Austria I'm fine with that. I know your kind, you're going to give Greece to AMF, Italy to ViZion and other countries to others or some trick like that only in this RP to secure your defenses. No more of that.
I also like to know where the bases are located, so there won't be "aah no I have a base there! Godmod!"
I want to know troop numbers of all parties. My numbers will be posted later on.
From now on all OOC chatter will be put in another thread.
I also want to know what kind of border defenses the parties have, I will also share them. I refuse to allow things to happen like this "I have mines and stuff and whatnot! You didn't know so your men are dead." It's kind of makes sense you post this everybody can look at another side of their border.
In the crucible thread, nobody had the slightest objection of letting me use 20 million soldiers not including logistics. Knowing the type of country I run, its perfectly feasable.

As such if you Read that Log yourself it was agreed that you it would Return to Shared Control, As such You don't have Full Control of Poland, You only have Half Control, So if u want to Claim your Part of Poland it will be Cut in Half somewhere in Poland. So if you are claiming a complete control of Poland from DT hands it would be a Declaration of War, as State it Still is Shared Control, that if you want to Follow IC, If you Follow your OCC Comments that means i have to Technically hand Back Poland to Shared control with you as such this Hasn't been done yet and Having Force in Poland is Illegal. So any way it goes Guff Poland is atleast Half Mine.

OCC: As such, The Dr_Twist Government Closed it's Boarders with Guffingford Because Military Satellites picked up an Increase of Forces Being Moved towards Dr_Twist Boarders as Such we Mobilized and Closed the Boarder, The Dr_Twist Government and there Allies in the Region have been on the Highest Stage of Alert since Hostilities with RWC appeared as of Late, So all forces are on Alert and have Been prepared for some time now. Also for this RP Vizion does Own Italy because it Suited RWC when The Macabees invaded Spain to use the Nation as i Denied them Access to Italy is in Vizion Hands for this RP. I would like to Inform you that for some time Every Person in my Nation over 21 Has always been Issued with an Assault Rifle and Receives one Weekend a Year Training with the Military, as Such there is massive Ammo's Cashes all around the Nation for the Local Population to use. Also Switzerland Doesn't Belong to me or any of my Allies, it Belongs to Western Asia, a Nation not Involved in this RP, if you were to Invade the Nation you would be Declaring war upon him.

SECRET IC:
Strategic Headquarters, Amsterdam...
'I will have to consult more with my advisors but I can present you the troop assessments in our country. Our allies in this upcoming conflict are: Belem, The Merchant Guilds and Zarbia. We can count on their help and unconditional loyalty.
Our armies are currently being in central Germany and Poland, awaiting our command. All armies that are currently moblized our are going to be moblized all have 1 million infantry units. A grand total of eleven million is ready for battle in the coming week(s).'

OOC: I'll continue this friday 24th of December. I want to limit this RP to a small quantity of active players. Too many people fuck this up. And we don't want that now do we?

OCC: Sorry HP, We will not be Limiting Players for this RP, it will be open, however WMD's will be Banned/Ignored.

Also HP you arn't an Active Nation if you are Going inactive for 12 Day's.

Neito Air Force Base, IH

The sleak shapes of 12 B-2 Spirits glided out of their bunkers and one by one taxiied to the runway before lighting up their engines and heading into the black sky above.

Behind them came the B-6 bombers of the 4th Strategic Bomber Wing. These aircraft had seen combat only once before, although the situation in Europe would probably double that pretty soon.

Most of the stealth aircraft on this base were heading out towards one of their Ready Bases, this one in Southern Romania. As they left, bomb bays filled with long range fuel tanks, transport aircraft began landing on one of the bases other runways. The support personnel for the five squadrons of bombers based here were flying there as well to supplement the small ready crew that maintained the base.

Cheyar Air Force Base, Western Romania.

The pilots of the 12th Air Superiority Wing had settled into their new base.

After moving to Southern Russia to help in the diffused conflict in Kazahkstan they had returned here, and were now undergoing training before a two day stand-down.

The collection of F-15CI Eagle's and F-22AI Raptor's made an immpressive sight sitting as they were in lines near their concrete shelters. In total there were 48 F-15's at this base with 36 Raptors. On the other side sat some MIG's of the DT airforce that also used this base, sitting beside three of the massive AWAC's aircraft that bore the IHAF markings.

OOC: Can we have a link to the OOC thread pls so i can post numbers.

OOC: This could be a lot of fun everyone, it's a potential Barbarossa (in fact it's showing a lot of similarities)... now thats what I call fun! :D

IC:

Shadow Earth (Modern tech only!) forces had been offered a contract by Guffingford and aligned nations for the provision of 530,000 troops, 300 Attack Helicopters and 2000 Combat Aircraft including support and armour for the upcoming Polish Campaign.

The price of the contract would be for 200,000 humans up front and a 10% share in all prisoners taken to be directly given to the former Guilders, these would be taken from the general prisoner population and not from those few deemed to have useful information.

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Edge of Southern Guffingfordian Poland at around Midnight.

The roar of the huge engined Doombringers could be heard approaching several runways and ajoining bases assigned to them by the Guffingfordi command.

The huge transport aircraft touched down and began unloading their cargos of supplies and Equipment. As well as the 'Midnight' and 'Sabre' Airfield Protection Regiments for the cordon's, which Guild military doctrine had established as being key. Doomsday Attack Helicopters escorting Swirl Transport Helicopters touched down on nearby fields with more logistical personnel, materials and supplies. They would build scratch Helicopter bases to make sure they weren't putting all their eggs in one basket as far as their air support went.

The first elements of the 27th Air Legion touched down shortly before dawn at the various prepared airfields. The VTOL systems common to all Guild combat aircraft allowed this to be easily done without the need to block the runways as the massive Doombringers landed.

Shortly after dusk the first elements of three of the 10 Legions paid for in human lives began arriving via Doombringer. It would take approximately 5 days for the three legions to arrive proper. But when they were ready they would show the enemy what Guild forces could do. They were Mountain Specialists more skilled in defence than offence but felt they could use their skills and knowledge of indirect warfare on the enemy to great advantage.

Two other Regiments had also arrived the 'White Faces' and 'Crimson Guard' Logistics Raider Regiments. Who worked behind enemy lines; destroying, siezing and generally causing disruption and havoc among the support troops and supply lines. They had arrived typically complaining of everything from the Common cold to having Air sickness... despite this they were a truely fearsome bunch. Very rebellious but in the end equation the best troops outside the Bridgeburners and the Shadow Brigade, the Guilds had. They would split into groups of approximately 50 in their 'acquired' vehicles (a real range of things, they've picked up over various campaigns but note nothing heavy), which would been given enemy markings and be sent to cause mayhem before the spearheads arrived.

All the Guild Legions selected for this campaign were the few, which had not had their armour deployed to Africa for the abortive Chellis campaign with Zarbian and aligned forces. They would have their full compliments of tanks and equipment for this campaign.

Note: SECRET IC (This is a FYI part).

The Guild logistical plans were as follows:

1. Create a series of large underground supply depots, which the 200,000 persons would be used to create before they were shipped off for Guild experiments, slavery and for some the Gladatorial Arenas.

2. Stockpile as much arms and ammuniton as could be procured, as replacements as well as potentially arming any sympathiesers in the liberated populations.

3. Utilize Guffingfordi slave labour camps to produce additonal Guild material that could not flown in.

4. Liberate as much industrial and armaments possible from the Oppressors.

OOC:

Standard Guild Air Legion (all being used are of this variety):

350 Harrier Interceptor Mods
150 Harrier Ground Attack Mods.
30 UAV's (armed with singular ground attack missles)

Standard Guild Legion Composition: (50,000 troops) Regiment: 5000 troops

4 Infantry Regiments
1 Logistical Regiment
1 Armour Regiment
1 Claw Regiment (MP's, Urban Assault Specialists)
2 Artillery Regiments
1 Engineer Regiment.

Armour Regiment Composition:

200 'Dark Stars' (Challenger II's)
50 ‘Bright Star’ (Light Recon Vehicle)
30 ‘Starstreak’ (AS90 A2 Artillery)
250 ‘Sabre’ with appropriate sections of infantry (Halftrack APC with a heavy machine gun)

Note: As RF and anybody who read the Kazakistan campaign knows I use chemical (non-WMD) weapons as standard, so please no shouting godmod etc. If you want more details i'm happy to provide them about my forces deploying or about my specialist weapons generally.

This could be a great RP if several of the potential persons get involved, lets have fun shall we?

OOC: Whoops, just a note the other 20,000 ground troops are from 4 Claw Regiments. They will be working behind the lines, sort of SonderKommando type Ops I suppose but just to let you know :)

Oh and there's 10,000 people in an Air Legion.

OOC: Twist, central Germany and Poland aren't your control. Remember I got Poland from Intelligent Neighbors? You were whining to me just to have shared control. Since I was the one who got it, let me define the phrase shared control. How about 90% overall control for me 10% for you. Excluding the military, all incorporated in the Guffingford army. You have nothing to say about it, I have never made any concessions about the control or military things. It was shared, we didn't draw a border or any of that. I even proposed that but it wasn't necessary according to you. The sharing was political and I don't need any of your governmental seal of approval of whatever hand over bull, the agreement was OOC so any IC consequences are null. As you can notice, I haven't said a single word ICly about this Poland quest, since it doesn't exist there. The fact you did doesn't make it legal RP, or can you call a mere msn conversation roleplay? The no WMD/nuke rule is ok by me, wasn't planning to use them.

And why are you saying I'm moblizing? ICly you can't possibly know.
FYI I'm working 4 days a week from 8:30AM till 6PM so I won't be sitting the rest of my free time behind a screen. What do you mean with 12 days? Just for reference, Switzerland belongs to Watertest. I TGed him a dozen times about his claim but no replies.

I will not debate about any of these subjects any further.

>>> http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380933 OOC thread

Yerevan

The high pitched blast of the train signalled a knell of calling for the thousands of young men and women standing to attention in the crowded station. The train itself, a great ugly armoured beast of no aesthetic merit squatted like an impatient figure of authority, as the conscripted youths blew hasty kisses to their sweethearts as the slow chugging of the troop transport train began. Wives and partners ran alongside the speeding vehicle, waving as it pulled out of sight. Out of sight, but not of mind, they sped to victory or death.

This was of course part of a far wider deployment. The MPSA had not been inactive, and the news of Guffingfords return had rung alarm bells throughout the secluded headquarters. The Dr_Twist appeal for aid had been met with sincere approval, and the already considerable force of half a million was to quadrupled before any hostilities could begin, two million soldiers, conscripted from hearth and home were to strengthen defensive positions, mainly cities.

Two million, how such a figure of human flesh can be transformed into a meaningless statistic. Two million guns, untold multitudes of ammunition, tanks, ordnance and planes. The machines of death, the actions of death, the inevitability of death. The beat of the war drum grew louder and stronger, and would eventually drown out the screams of the dying.

International waters, near the Bosnian coast...

The four thrawlers coming from the Azores faring under the Bob-Bob flag threw out their nets and acted like they were doing their daily business. Down in the hull, radar posts were manned and the captain was on the look out for any Dr_Twist vessel roaming about in the Adriatic. All crewmembers spoke excellent English and Bosnian. When the soft light of dawn flows in from the hills and mountains in the east, the thrawlers will softly move to the small strip of the Bosnian coast. The captain peered through his binoculars quietly observing the small amount of police on the dockside.

The Greek Orthodox communities in the Balkan are eager to join the Guffingfordian armies to relieve themselves from the Dr_Twist tyranny but they need to get weapons first to start the rebellion. Killing several thousand muslims in the process wasn't an issue... Because the Catholic empire of Belem is on the side of the 'Axis' they held no fear against the Orthodox believers.

A few hours later...
The captain, concentrated - if not mesmerised - was still luring through his binoculars with the exception of writing down a few notes and returning to his post. Darkness began to creep in and a cool wind coming from the mediterranian cooled down the hard working men and women. On 1AM the four boats would tie up on the Bosnian docks and unload their special cargo.

It was time. From the infrared cameras and the heat detectors no sign of airplanes or ships patrolling were picked up and the ships set course for harbour. Silently, the boats glided through the water. The lights of the city sparkled in the nights sky and the hills were as dark as the night sky. The Order of Byzantine Restoration prepared the docks for fast processing of the goods with the help of their associates.

This small port was hardly known by the authorties but still, everybody was cautious. The schedule of the patrols wasn't very accurate, to say the least and the patrols came in and out. This was difficult. So far no sign of them.

The four Imperial fleets panned out across the Med. Moving to positions surrounding Italy and the Balkans. Morale was high as Belem as ships moved into position for the largest Belem military operation in two decades. Rumors were abound that they were going to liberate the motherland(over 90% of Belemians are from Italian stock and 10% are German.) The sailors were eager to serve in the grand crusade of taking Italy back from the heathens.

The mobilization continues as two more fleets are rerouted from Long Range Patrols and start heading towards the North Sea.

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The original 16 divisions destined for the European thearte has been upped to 18 with the addition of two divisions of Inquisitors. Meaning the Belem force would now have over 450 thousand combat troops in addition to 800 thousand support and logistical troops in position. The division break down is 6 heavy armored divisions with an additional 2 Inquisitor Divisons that are the same breakdown equipment wise as an armored division. 7 Motorized Infantry divisions(2 Mountain speciality divisions) and 3 Airborne Assault divisions.


OOC: division and equipment breakdown coming soon as well as airsupport numbers.

SECRET IC:
Berlin, Germany

'The final plans and preperations are complete my good Führer. We have worked out on the last minor strategic flaws but the general concepts have remained the same. Euroslavia will be the prime target in the first stages of our attack and the Dr_Twist lands will soon follow by rolling thunder of tanks, heavy artillery and infantry. A combined Belem and Guffingford airforce will take down every Dr_Twist opposition in the air and bomb all major industrial places in his country. Italy will become part of Belem, and as a sign of our gratitude we will grant him the key to the Holy See, the capital of Catholic earth.'

Yours respectfully and ever faithful to the Iron Cross,
Adolf Leighmar

Letter from Adolf Leighmar to General Leonard Ynsson

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OOC: Apologies for this part of the post, being OOC...It won't happen again, but I just wanna clarify that I own the same territories as Dr Twist, using the mirror world theory, however, it would make things extremely complicated to use such a thing for war, so I was able to use Austria as my nation. I just don't want anyone to think I randomly chose to get Austria...


IC: Due to the mobilizations of our ally, Dr Twist, it has been decided that we will begin our mobilization as well. Seeing as there have been massive troop movements that have been censored by our allies, we must be prepared for anything that may happen with the current instability of Europe. Our current armies are considered active number to 5 million troops, however, an undeciphered amount of troops, depending on the gravity of the situation and the intelligence gatherings of Dr Twist, will be called upon to defend Euroslavia.

OOC: Just a short post to make it known of my involvement...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380625

Those are my movements so far. I will be moving close to 5 million.
Also Battle Island 1 is in the Carribean (by Grenada) and Battle Island 2 in the Mediterranean (by Israel).
But the ships are going around in circles so their destination is hard to discern.
The 17th fleet is down by Panama, and the 18th is down by Costa Rica.

The following are being mobilized and ordered either to the Atlantic or to Russia.
5 million infantry
5,000 M1A2's
20,000 air medevac vehicles
15 Ticonderoga class aircraft carriers
50 Yorktown Class aircraft carriers (holds 95 planes)
50 Arizona Class Batteship
400 Kirov class nuclear powered cruisers
200 Ticonderoga II class Aegis cruisers
500 Arliegh Burke Aegis guided missile destroyers
100 Farragut Class Aegis Stealth Destroyers
300 Galaxy class nuclear stealth subs
300 Seawolf class attack subs


5,000 Apache Attack Helicopters
4,500 F117 Knighthawks Stealthfighters
1000 B1 bombers
3,000 WASP Stealth Attack Choppers (purchased from Gforce4)
7,000 AV-8B Harrier bombers
20,000 F-111 Multipurpose tactical fighter bombers
500 B-2 multirole fighterbombers
1,000 B52 Stratofortresses
2,000 F35 Joint Strike Fighters
200,000 RIM-18ANSAM Surface to Air Radar Guided Missiles (for destroyers and Aegis Cruisers)

As General Freeman knew, it would take a while for them execute the orders as everyone was spread out. they'd have to leave Maghda and North Africa.
But they should at their destinations with in 4 weeks.

Earth Orbit:

The tiny pebble of a sattellite that made up a component of the Pandora's Box system scanned the foreign sattellites moving into position over Rudolfensia and determined it to be non threatening. The images and scans were sent back down to Rudolfensian mission control.
Mission Control Chairman Rossman could care less but Space Defense Commander Gulian was not happy.
Gulian barked an order to Helios Ground Navigator Rodriguez: Place Helios into a stationary orbit over Guffingford. Helios was a primitive intelligence sattelite and its optics weren't as good as its modern counterparts. Unfortunately there was a lot of stuff Helios didn't have but its modern cousins did. But it would serve its purpose which was to send a political message to Guffingford: "Park a spy sat permanently over our nation, and we will do likewise."

OOC: Xeraph has had 2 CBG's in Twist for some time, as well as 1 AirWing. Xeraph has an extensive presence in the MedSea, including 11 CBG's. Each CBG has 16-19 ships: carriers, battleships, destroyers, missile ships, subs, and various supprot vessels.
46% of our Air, Armor, and Ground Forces are less than 36 hours from any point on the planet. 51% are less than 72 hours away, and the remainding 3% are available within 100 hours (these are mostly non-combatant units, such as MASH, Royal Guards, etc.)

We also have an extensive Space Fleet.


From: Gen. Strickland, CMDR EX Forces

The Emperor has ordered Carrier Battle Groups' 50, 59, 77, and 90 to the North Atlantic. Admiral Srery has been given instructions to work closely with the naval leaders of the Twistian Forces and Dr Twist's allies.

These CBG's were chosen to be deployed together due to the fact that they are all comprised of the same ships. Each CBG is comprised of:

4 Nimitz Class Carriers, each w/full complement of 87 FA-18 Hornets,
3 Iowa Class BattleShips
3 WarHammer Battle Cruisers
3 Vulcan Class Nuclear BattleCarriers w/full complement of 103 FA-18 Hornets
2 Tikinhy Destroyers
2 Oryal Missile ships
2 Amur Class Subs
Various support ships: patrol boats, missile boats, sub-tenders, etc...

AirWings 4 thru 11 have been put on High Alert, per request of the Twistian Government. This includes Bomber AirWings 10 and 11.
Each AirWing comprised of 6 Squadrons, each Squadron containing 23 fighters: Hornets, Typhoons, Rattlesnakes, King Cobras, and Python bombers.

Updates tofollow.

The grand mobilization continued in Belem as every rapid response division has either already shipped out for Europe or was preparing to be shipped out as another ten divisions were called to active alert and secretly moved to ports via the underground bullet trains. Two more Fleets begin there final resuppliment in port preparing to depart for Atlantic operations.

Every news site and agency had there own speculations as what was going to happen ranging from an invasion of the heart of Africa to liberate them from Paganism to a recapturing of the Holy Land. The last one becoming the most prominent idea as Army and Inquisition officials begin massive recruiting campaigns with posters reading: "Free the Holy Land! Defend Mother Church! Fight for God and Country! Join the Crusade! Enlist today!"

Over a dozen new training camps have been opened to help process and train the millions of raw recruits expected.

OOC: Guff says he has no tie to the RWC ICly, yet all RWC members are rallying to mobilize for him. No ties right?

OOC: Guff says he has no tie to the RWC ICly, yet all RWC members are rallying to mobilize for him. No ties right?


No ties that you can prove. There is such a thing as secret alliances etc etc.

OOC: Guff says he has no tie to the RWC ICly, yet all RWC members are rallying to mobilize for him. No ties right?

OOC: but I have ties to the RWC.

OOC: but I have ties to the RWC.
OOC: I don't care if you have ties, but Guff said he doesn't both OOCly and ICly so if you send forces to him while we are at war with you we can ICly reason he is an enemy and mobilize accordingly. Besides due to past actions with the RWC it is reasonable to assume Twist would mobilize and anticipate an attack.

OOC:
In the crucible thread, nobody had the slightest objection of letting me use 20 million soldiers not including logistics. Knowing the type of country I run, its perfectly feasable.[/list]

For the record, I didn't know you had that many men not counting logistics. I would have wholeheartedly disagreed.

The following are being mobilized and ordered either to the Atlantic or to Russia.
5 million infantry
5,000 M1A2's
20,000 air medevac vehicles
15 Ticonderoga class aircraft carriers
50 Yorktown Class aircraft carriers (holds 95 planes)
50 Arizona Class Batteship
400 Kirov class nuclear powered cruisers
200 Ticonderoga II class Aegis cruisers
500 Arliegh Burke Aegis guided missile destroyers
100 Farragut Class Aegis Stealth Destroyers
300 Galaxy class nuclear stealth subs
300 Seawolf class attack subs


5,000 Apache Attack Helicopters
4,500 F117 Knighthawks Stealthfighters
1000 B1 bombers
3,000 WASP Stealth Attack Choppers (purchased from Gforce4)
7,000 AV-8B Harrier bombers
20,000 F-111 Multipurpose tactical fighter bombers
500 B-2 multirole fighterbombers
1,000 B52 Stratofortresses
2,000 F35 Joint Strike Fighters
200,000 RIM-18ANSAM Surface to Air Radar Guided Missiles (for destroyers and Aegis Cruisers)

As General Freeman knew, it would take a while for them execute the orders as everyone was spread out. they'd have to leave Maghda and North Africa.
But they should at their destinations with in 4 weeks.

OOC: You realize a mobilization of that many aircraft would take months to prepare? And you cleary are lacking any logistical support units for your forces. Also where do you expect to park all those aircraft? I doubt DT just happens to have room for 44,000 thousand extra aircraft. Much less the amount of fuel and men its going to take to keep them airborne.

OOC: You realize a mobilization of that many aircraft would take months to prepare? And you cleary are lacking any logistical support units for your forces. Also where do you expect to park all those aircraft? I doubt DT just happens to have room for 44,000 thousand extra aircraft. Much less the amount of fuel and men its going to take to keep them airborne.

In Correct, Dr_Twist Permanently Stations over 40 Million Troops from other Nations around the World Stationed there from the Dr_Twist Civil war, Theses Contain some of the Largest Military Installations in the World, There is a lot of Room for Military Equipment within Dr_Twist because of the size of Forces already Stated there, However Supply Lines may become a problem for him.

ooc: Dr_Twist is right, the numbers that he maintained during the civil war and during the European 'cold' war, far outstreach what is there now.

ic:

'Belem is mobalising?'

The question cut through the assembled silence like a knife, and the worried faces of the cowering aides confirmed this. On screen, Belem retruiting videos ran whilst vulgar must blared in the background. Koda sighed, and pondered alone, then raised a hand in the respected fashion. 'How many souls do we have in Dr_Twist as it stands?', an aide scurried up in excitement, reeling off the statistics. 'Two million one hundred thousand front line fighters sir. This includes personel for armoured regiments and pilots. They have prehaps a million support personel alongside them.' Koda paused, pondering. Eventually he spoke again, 'Raise the number of fighters to three and a half million. Triple the support personel.'

There was a great moment of uncertain silence, before his aides broke into a righteous gabble of indignation. Koda roared above them, 'I don't care how much it costs! I don't care about the security implications! Our ally has asked for aid and we will give it to them!' One aide spoke up courageously, people had been known to vanish for congradicting the Dread Lord, 'Sir, it is not a question of unwillingness, we simply are too overstreached to commit such a great number of trained workers.' The anger vanished from Koda's face, and pacified by logic he sat back.

'Withdraw from Zarbian Eygpt. They have enough forces there, it is only a matter of time before the allies are victorius. Though it may amaze you, I do keep up to date on such matters. Begin the transportation of the soldiers, and raise more ready for further potential deployments.' As the aides shuffled out, Koda mused to himself. This was the third time that the Momanguiseese had answered the call for aid to Dr_Twist, and when the bell tolls thrice then hell itself shall open.

IC:

Over the next few days heavy booted oak camoflauged Guild troops stepped out Doombringers and Swirl Helicopters, tank engines burst into life as drills and checks were run, Fighters swooped and did combat drills... whilst these preparations were going on the huge logistical effort undertaken by the Guilds from their Alpha Colony increased in pace and potency. Still the huge amount of supplies required were hard to supply to such bodies of troops, but the Guild troops were used to much less food and ammunition in the field than most comparable forces, because of the long suffering Logistics Department's problems in getting the adequate supplies from the bases to the supply dumps. The troops were already supplementing their ration packs with local game and starting to live to a degree off the land.

Several huge supply pits had been dug by the slaves... they were filling with additional supplies, spare parts, ammunition, diesel fuel and even the odd spare vehicle and tank for when the campaign got started.

A Guild Command and Control installation had been set up in a former Guffingfordi Command bunker, including a Guild Command Cupola, which would allow the Guild commander to centrally instruct the forces under their disposal. A holomap table had been brought in and members of the Claw had been brought in to serve as guards for the facility. Outside a camoflauged series of transmitters allowed the centre to function as well as several field nuclear generators to allow the cupola enough power to function.

Guffingfordi Command had been notified Guild strength was now at a point were it could be deployed centrally although there would be at least a month or two before the full Guild deployment had arrived in total. The two Logistics Raider regiments had already worked up to the proper combat state, they would be the first Guild forces to encounter the enemy and deliver a short sharp shock to them. They were already working heavily in conjunction with Guffingfordi special forces in order to arrange a plan of attack and inflict mayhem on the enemies support troops/supply lines.

OOC: You realize a mobilization of that many aircraft would take months to prepare? And you cleary are lacking any logistical support units for your forces. Also where do you expect to park all those aircraft? I doubt DT just happens to have room for 44,000 thousand extra aircraft. Much less the amount of fuel and men its going to take to keep them airborne.
If you'd read my other threads, you would know this stuff was being mobilized long before the situation in Europe began developing. Further, the supply stuff is to be just assumed. Since I see know one else doing detailed rps of their people being supplied. But its still going to take a couple of more weeks though as they are spread out all over the world.

Active number of divisions in Germany has increased to 20 with a steady rise of airpower. Expected mobilization numbers was that they would have additional 6 divisions in position by D-day and 30 total by D+2.

The mining work camps in northern Belem have already been ordered to double and triple their ore quotas for the next three months. Another dozen divisions have already recieved orders that they would be deployed overseas.

An Intelligence report leaked to the media by unknown sources has reported these new call ups are to be deployed to the middle east. Television stations that report the leak have there feeds cut off moments after reporting. The Inquisition later in the day issues the following press release: The Intell report that was leaked earlier this day was fraudalent. There are no plans as of now to deploy any divisions to the middle east for any operations. The report was fabricated by a rogue intelligence agent who will be dealt with swiftly.

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Secured Message to Belem Allies: The Imperial Empire noting your food shortage is offering the following solution. We are prepared to provide your troops with Stampacks(OOC: Description below) to take the stress off of your logistical train and to allow your troops to significantly lighten there combat load. Following your approval we can begin supplying your troops.

OOC: A Stampack basically looks like a nicotine patch but instead of containing nicotine its heavy in calories vitamins and minerals. Since these packs are small and only one is needed a day it takes the largest burden off the supply force. And it allows a soldier to carry atleast a weeks supply of packs and even up to a months supply. However in order to avoid stomach problems the troops are issued candybars and other small portable snacks to eat during the day, and rearline troops will ussually eat regular meals except in the most extreme circumstances. Of course after a month straight the soldiers will require regular meals for a few days to avoid stomach problems so the supply corps tries to ship rationpacks to the front every 2 weeks or to recycle troops to the rear after a month for a few days.

BTW Stampacks are based in reality they did a Popular Science article about how the basis for a nicotine patch could be changed to give people vitamins minerals or even calories.

IHS Halifax, Conrado Class Command Ship, North Eastern Indian Ocean

On the bridge of the light grey ship Lt. General Greys looked out into the sunset off the Western bow just in sight was the coast of Somalia, Credonian controlled territory.

The command ship was the third in a line of forty two Roll-on/Roll-off vessels that was headed at full speed towards Europe. The official line was that this was a major training exercise to see how quickly large amounts of troops could be supplied to the continent to aid an allied nation that was under threat of invasion.

General Greys was in command of a complete field army, for now designated the 4th. Consisting of I Corps and III Corps of the IH army it was a powerful force (Stats posted later) and was on its way to join up with VII and XII Corps although most of the enlisted men thought that they would actually be boarding these ships to return home.

The General looked out to starboard after walking through the furnished bridge. He could see the shapes of a couple of Destroyers conducting ASW drills within the convoy of ships whilst beyond he could see the flat tops of no less than five carriers. The General had just completed his briefing with the Admiral in command of the fleet, and had been informed that three more carriers, including one of the mighty Periocles one of which already accompanied the formation, were awaiting them at the head of the Suez Canal after a sprint run from their base in Southern Italy.

Aircraft were above the formation, both land based from Credonia and carrier based from the flat-tops sitting on the ocean side of the troop ships.


Meanwhile to the West of the ships an almost continuous line of Tactical aircraft headed towards Dr_Twist airbases to join those already there.


OOC: Yes, some of my bases in Twist are huge :) Mainly aircraft ones as they are maintained by small amounts of people and only used when needed with full maintenance crews being flown out.

There were over 100,000 Zarbian troops in Germany and Poland because of various political reasons, one being the alliance with Guffingford. As long as they had been stationed in those lands they had never had to fight a battle but they were always alert for movements in Europe. As soon as news of Guffingfordii mobilizations came about, Zarbian military leaders knew they had their chance.

The Polish 1st and 2nd, accompanied by the 2nd and 3rd Armour Corps, had been ordered to nearby Lithuania. They would reach their destination easily, moving through friendly Guffingfordii soil into the Baltic state.

Zarbian troops in Germany had been slowly collecting on the border with Poland, they did not want to alarm anyone. The next order of business would be to roll into Poland and assume a strong position while still on Guffingfordii territory. Their objectives would be completely unfolded soon, their plans would be put into motion in the near future.

For now, all they could do was wait...

OOC: Zarbia, if you are using troops over here, then it that is less troops to defend your homeland from attack.

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OOC: Thanks Belem. Btw I try to RP my logistical situation if you hadn't noticed Whittier...

IC:

Message from Central Guild Command, Poland to Imperial Command (Belem):

We would welcome such packs to supplement troops in the field, we would be willing to pay of course since we do not wish to decrease the power of your war effort.

We thank you for this kindness we shall not forget it.

Regards,

The Shadows,

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The three Legions had arrived consisting of the 11th,12th and 13th, elements of the 15th,16th,17th had started to arrive although this was taking longer than expected due to the decision to massively increase the flights in of equipment, stores and fuel in propotion to troops so thus it would now take a week to fly in the whole legions rather than five days.

Several underground workshops had been almost completed. These would serve the Guild troops as formal maintenance areas for their weaponry and armour, which would allow the Guilders to have a high turnover rate in getting damaged equipment back onto the battlefield in the hands of its troops.

Talon Evaluation teams had been observing enemy movements on the various borders and looking for patterns in border guard details. They would use these to slip across the Logistics Raider Regiments in their groups over the border unseen. This would allow complete suprise...

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War Commodore (OOC: Field Marshall) Criticus Zabic, Commander of the Guild Armies in the Southern Poland stepped off a camoflaughed Swirl Helicopter touching down at a scratch Helicopter base. A large amount of Black uniformed officers in their hard leather trenchcoats with their peak caps bearing the Sigil of the Guild Military, the Wolfs Head Emblazoned on it. He could see representatives from every branch of staff and Legion with troops in the operational area. Each different represenative had different insignia emblazoned on their arm from the double head snake around the sword for the Medical Corps to the Angel of the 11th Legion to the Burning Dice for the 13th.

Criticus grinned as each member of the group slammed their fist against their chest in the Guild salute. 'Evolution Through Chaos' came the chant... there could be no doubt now... the Shadows Human armies had arrived...

He walked towards the Command complex from the Helicopter pad, it was a low series of heavily camoflauged and generally hidden buildings, it was obvious it extended far underground. The Claw Intiates guarding the entrance saluted as he passed and he continued through several rooms filled with the clutter of Guard and Officer presences... A large multi bolted door swung open slowly before him leading down into the gloom of another guard room and onto the Central Command area...

'These Guffingfordi Command Complexes are made very well...' he mused to himself...

He entered the central Command area through another heavy door... at least as heavy and cumbersome as the last but effective... very effective...

The Command cupola was occupied by a young Strike Commander, who was giving mental direction to Guild supply problems and concentrations... several older staff officers stood around the map table, it's holographic images darting about as they pointed out ideas for the planned operations... Communications Orderlies rushed about doing the small scale jobs required to keep such a war machine well oiled...

Criticus called one to him...

'Contact Guffingfordi Command, ask them to send us a copy over Ultraviolet link channel of the battle plans and where we should deploy ourselves and our objectives.' he told the orderly who hastened to do his commanders bidding...

He settled down to talk to the others while they awaited the command decisions from Guffingfordi Command.

Message to TMG: We will begin supplying your troops with logistical support immediately. As per payment the charge will be the cost value(production price.)

Liberec, Czech Republic, Wolfish Air Combat Command

General Harbringer walked the runway as the sun slowly rose over his base – the usual sense of calm efficiency had been replaced in recent weeks with the sound of heavy construction as new barracks were built – warehouses and bunkers assembled – and additional underground fuel storage lockers dug.

It shouldn’t have surprised the General – this base was located at the northern point of the Czech Republic, near the point where it met both Germany and Poland – and therefore was of strategic importance to the New World Order.

And that is why Supreme Commander General Blackstone himself had ordered the Wolfish Forces temporarily housed in Russia to be transferred to Liberec.

That would add two reinforced divisions of Wolfish marines to the one Air Combat Command – six wings – already stationed at Liberec.

To maintain and supply these troops, new mess halls, dispensaries, warehouses, latrines, barracks and recreation halls had to be constructed…but constructing things quickly and efficiently was what the Marines did best.

As he continued his walk-about, the General turned slightly so he could watch the big planes come in on runway 2-7-0. The new C-50 Super-Galaxy…carrying loads of prefabricated walls, concrete mix, roofing materials – everything a person needs to build and supply a city-sized base in less than a month.

ooc stats:

Wolfish’s Liberec Base contains:

Air Combat Command, Liberec

2 Fighter Wings: primary aircraft F-22s, F-35s, FA18 SuperHornets
1 Attack Wing: primary aircraft A-10s, AH-64A Apaches, AC-130H Spectre
1 Bomber Wing: primary aircraft B1-B Lancer, B2 Spirit, B52 H, B747 [info on the B747: http://www.g2mil.com/bm747.htm]
1 Support and Logistic Wing: primary aircraft Common Support Aircraft, KC-135, E-767, C5 Galaxy, C130s, C17, V22 Osprey
1 RECON Wing: primary aircraft Predator, Global Hawk, Outrider and GNAT UAVs; EC135 Looking Glass, OH-58D; SR-71, Aurora Recon 1 [ info on the Aurora: http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.htm]

Wolfish Marine Forces, Liberec

250,000 Marines from Wolfish’s Third Army are assigned to Liberec. They are broken into 2 Divisions of 125,000 soldiers per each.

Each Division is roughly divided into 5 brigades of 25,000 soldiers each. A typical division will have a heavy armour brigade, engineering and logistics brigade, artillery/rocket brigade, light infantry brigade, and air defence brigade. Other troops will of course be included – like medical, military police, signals, and ordinance disposal etc at the Company or Unit level.

Howard Air Force Base, Northern Italy

An array of aircraft had been landing at the expansive base for the past four hours. The tower staff, themselves only arriving half an hour before the first plane, were busily queing up hundreds of cargo planes that were bringing in missiles and bombs for the strike fighters that were heading in behind them.

The bombs were being stored in a variety of underground bunkers, built years before during the Twist civil war, whilst maintenance crews prepared the crew quarters that hadnt been used for just as long.

The small maintenance staff that had been present maintaining the runways were now at work clearing hangars of an assortment of sports cars, weapons and other items that had been stored in them. Trucks were arriving to take the more useful items to the nearby storage base whilst the rest was heaped into large piles near the main enterance.



In the skies above, an AWAC's was exercising with a squadron of F-15E's that were assigned to border duty between Austria and Italy. They were nearly 100 miles south of it and the AWAC's was still picking up civilian traffic heading into Munich and Prague whilst other AEW birds intercepted radio emmisions from them, making use of their systems.

Several other converted civilian aircraft also had rotodomes turning, however these were TWM-1's, and were flying along at 30,000 feet watching traffic on the Italian highways around them with precision accuracy. They were fine tuning their system to filter out inactive objects and to also look for frequently used routes. They knew that this capability would be extremely useful if a war came, which many in the high command thought it may just do.


IHS Halifax, 20 Miles South of the Suez Canal

The bridge now had a canal pilot onboard and the Captain of the ship was also present whilst the General attended to deployment planning below.
Above them helicopters were now flying, a mixture of Seahawks and other ASW helo's dropping sonarbouys along the length of the canal. If a submarine was waiting their it would likely be able to get a shot off at only the first cruiser to take the passage, however that would also block it which would not be acceptable to higher command.

The RO/RO ships were now positioned in a line behind the command ship as they approached the straight, and canal pilots were being flown out to each as the government had wired the payment for such a large transit to speed up their movements.

The carriers would be coming through after the ships, and would form up with their escorts and head West, whilst the Med fleet's carriers escorted the ships to their final desitination in Romania at the purpose built Hopkins Naval Base.

ooc: hey guys in the OOC thread can everyone post what side there on cause this is getting confusing and cluttered. Thanks.

IC: The number of divisions presently positioned in Europe has increased to 24 active combat divisions. The number of Aircraft present in Thearte has been doubled to counter the increased air presence of other nations. 12 Pelican Strike Platform Ultra Heavy Aircraft have been deployed to the thearte each capable of holding 2,400 missiles apiece(ooc:specs coming soon once the server is treating me better and I can find the exact thread.)

Aircraft have increased there patrols so that 40-50% of all aircraft are airborne or preparing to be launched at all times.

As time passed Zarbia grew restless, but patience was a virtue and it would be important in the days to come. Although it was not time yet preparations all over Zarbia were being made. Tanks, planes, and all kinds of great war machines were being packed into massive carriers. Soldiers were readying themselves for their task, a grand and noble task it would be. Military leaders all over the nation were strategizing; checking everything twice; making sure that all was ready.

A long wait lay ahead, but when the time came it would be glorious.

Secret IC Telegram:
To: IDF
From: Rudolfensia
Text:
Rudolfensia's government formally requests permission for our ships to pass through the canal.
End Text.

Hundreds of carriers sat in Zanta Harbor, they were ready to move. In recent weeks the Zarbian military sector had been preparing for this nonstop, soldiers had been training; weapons manufacturers had been producing war machines around the clock; new weapons had been tested. The wait had been well worth it, this would be Zarbia's finest hour.

The massive carriers in the harbor were an impressive sight, though what was inside of them may have been more incredible. Thousands of tanks, planes, and troop transports were part of the package to be sent to Europe. Most of the machines were brand new, purchased from various allies for this special occasion. The majority of the carriers however, carried logistics. Massive logistical support would be needed for this mission; all kinds of accessories could be found aboard the ships including food, spare parts, munitions, and other items.

General Lawrence Monse stood in his room at the military quarters in the city of Zanta. He turned to the large Zarbian flag on the wall above his bed and saluted. Though he was not Zarbian he felt extreme loyalty to the nation, without her, he would surely have been dead. After the Panoolian empire came crashing down he escaped from partisans and fled to Zarbia, a close ally of Holy Panooly. He felt that he owed loyalty to the nation and its leaders whom had accepted him with open arms.

A sharp knock on the door brought him to attention, “Come in,” he called.

A tall soldier opened the door slowly and stepped into the room, snapping a salute at his senior officer. “Sir, it is time to leave,” he said.

Monse nodded, “Give me a few minutes.”

The soldier saluted once more and left the room quickly, closing the door behind him.

Monse took a deep breath and opened the drawer of his bedside table. He took out a small cross, kissing it before placing it back in the drawer. The Zarbians were not religious people but they had been kind and not commented on his worship. He prayed to Christ and stood up, it was indeed time to go.

The general left the room and locked the door. He hoped he would come back to see this room again, but one never knew. Monse strode down the hall, turning to go down the stairs to the first floor. As he left the building, a squad of twelve soldiers saluted and stood to attention. This was something else he liked about the Zarbian military; everyone was extremely disciplined and respectful. He made his way to the where he was supposed to be, the squad marching behind him. Soon he would be on his way to Europe.

Two hours later.

Finally everything was ready, 1,000,000 troops had been moved onto their carriers. The carriers started their engines and commenced to move out of the harbor, beginning their long journey to Germany. This was to be the biggest mobilization on foreign territory in Zarbian history; it was also the most important mission on foreign territory.

Two hundred Antigone class warships would be protecting the fleet, as well as three hundred F-22’s watching over from above. Of course these were not part of the mission and would refuel and head home as soon as the carriers reached their destination.

It was time…

OOC: If I missed something obvious ,that you can see from below, TG me, I had to read through 4 pages of new stuff in a short time, okay?

IC:

SECRET[IC]:

The cold winter air of the Ardones[mountain chain in Afrika] struck the field marshal like a rag doll, tossing him in all directions making the figure fly around in the blizzard. The marshall kept walking strongly towards the Generals Quaters, the AMCN[Afrikaan Military Control Network] was in the building for a meating and that field marshall had information that had just been noticed.

He knocked on the door three times and waited for a response, it came shortly. A tall bald man wearing a field gray-greend uniform with a katana a his side quickly answered saying "Hello? Ah.. Yes Field Marshall Lexa, welcome in.".

" Thank you, sure is a bitch out there. You guys upstairs? " replied the shivering Marshall.

" Nah, we are gathering in the basement, the furnace is down there. " replied quickly the man, "Well come on in."

FM Lexa walked through the doors and took off his hat and drench coat. He walked over the the stair case in silence and saw all the generals standing there, conversing over some minute details.

"Hello gentlemen, may I interrupt?" said Lexa

" Sure, you may, just keep it short. " replied the man at the end of the table. Every one nodded their heads. Lexa walked over to the wall and took of his hat.

"First off, if we may, what divisions am I supped to take?" questioned Lexa.

" You have Army Group I, Kijies has II, Volga has III, and Times has IV. You may want to think of it this way, you have the best. Also there are enough reserves to fill in all the gaps that are created, we have used almost all our forces except the home defence forces. The Air Force has two Air Armies, and the Navy has three Fleets. If I remember it totals to 18 million soldiers, and 10-15 million reserves, including slupply groups."

" Too much information ... " said Lexa jokingly.

" Bah!" snapped Times.

"Shcmit!" yelled Volga as he called for his aide.[Schmit is his aide]

" We need a plan, no time for small talk..." snapped Lexa

" Well if we were to invade Russian Forces, we would be in a stucked up spot, well our soldeirs would, so my plan is we deploy Army Groups I and II to Poland and III and IV to Japan with the other 2 million Navy and Air Force men." stated Volga.

" Uh, Volga, III and IV are already in Japan with the majority of the of the Navy and Air Force, which will be moved to Europe as soon as Guffingford permits." Countered Lexa.

" Yet again, this helps with my plan. As you see these two groups will not have to move, only train with Bob-Bob soldiers. " Volga stated again.

" This is a time to fly the Afrikaan flag high and say either leave it or take it, if we want Greater Slavic Prussia[GSP] we may want to have Poland also, and this will be good for us to get an easy transfer of power." noted the bald guy.

" Good point, we will try to get Poland and GSP, but what would we do with the Slavs and Asiatics? " asked Lexa.

" Simple. We kill them and make money off of killing them, take all of their belongings, kill them, and sell thier belongings, gas then cremation does a good job." Noted Kijies.

" Everyone agrees? " asked Volga.

" Jah!" a huge group of generals yelled. And then it was another day.

SECRET[IC]:

In a early morning conference with the Minister of Propaganda the Kilgar was eating his morning meal of well suplemented eggs and orange juice. The bright rising sun wore over the walls of the Palace. It was the day of the annual Tri-Military Parade. The first Flarhjar[FLA-RE-UH-YAR] was to march the newely created Collesium Highway with the 1st ZZ Panzer and then load onto transports while fighters and bombers flew over, all of course the new weaponary[AU ARMS catalog in January] . This was to be a spectacle.

"Sir did you hear of the conference of commanders?" asks Goher.

"Yes, it will do, but where are these soldeirs going?" asked the Kilgar.

"Army Group I, Europe from what I heard." Responded Goher.

"They are well equipped correct?" Pondered the Kilgar.

"With the latest armour, weapons, equipment, rations and vehicles and etc..." stated Goher

"Very well, I grant permission for it all, and make sure you make it seem better than it is, or the world will see us in a briefs! " joked the Kilgar.

"Haha, very well sir." said Goher as he got up and walked away.

The next hour the huge show took place with millions watching and millions listening. The entire country seemed to tune in and watch it, or be there in person. The show went almost flawlessly, with no fighting, and only one person arrested for trying to get to close to the tanks.

SECRET MESSAGE[IC]:

To: Führer of Guffingford
From: Kilgar of Afrika
Subject: Operation Barbarossa II
Message:
We will procede in shipping the I and II Army Groups as scheduled to where ever you specify, we would like a good landing place capable of taking on millions of soldiers and billions fo tons of equipment and slupplies. We suggest a few harbours. As you know, I have plans of a Japo Strike to the East, please confer with me and yes, I am willing to end the lifes of millions to make what is ours, ours.


PUBLIC MESSAGE[IC]:

To: All Nations Involved[on Guffingford's side]
From: Minister of Defence of Afrika
Message:
We do what is right, we will do what is required and we will ask our soldiers to prefrom what has never been done before, we are to be the dominators and we are to stand a chance at such a goal. We are the future we are to destroy, we are to topple and we are to cannibilize all who resist! For the Führer, and for the Fatherland, to slaughter all Sub-Humans and for Our Grand Heritiage! FOR DEATH! FOR LIFE! AND FOR THE RE-EMERGANCE OF THE BLACK DEATH![thats figurtive...].

Bump.

ooc: Zarbia...here's some numbers to go along with your convoy heading for Germany.

Each Marine Pre-Positioning Ship carries sufficient equipment and supplies to sustain 17,000 Marine Corps Air Ground Task Force personnel for up to 30 days.

Therefore you would need a minimum of 60 such ships to carry the supplies and equipment needed to support 1 million troops. Add to this ships needed to transport vehicles not covered by a typical RO/RO – like the aircraft you mention in your post, and you’ll increase that number substantially – for this I’ll add 20 more ships.

In addition, you will require approximately 500 troop transports to carried the soldiers you have dispatched – that is based on an average of 2,000 troops per ship (which is higher than the average for RL troop transport ships).

At this point, there are 580 support ships in your convoy.

Add to this 200 Antigone Battleships – and their support ships (likely 1 support for each 8) – 25 oilers and replenishment ships – brings your total deployment to 805 ships.

Lets assume that each ship (excluding the battleships) requires a minimum of 400 square metres around it – which is a pretty tight formation in the middle of the Atlantic – your convoy would encompass 242,000 square metres – or 2,420 sq kilometers (1,503 sq miles).

So, that is a square of ocean – 2,420 km or 1,503 miles on each side. That allows you to place a battleship every 48.5 kilometres or 30 miles around the outside (nothing in the middle of the fleet).

That means that each battleship must be equipped with the SM-2 (Standard surface-to-air missile – US) instead of the SM-1 – due to the range between ships – you don’t want to leave any holes in coverage. Of course, if you loose one ship – your calculations will all change – forcing you to employ extended range SM-3s and re-deploying all your defenses.

Of course – that is just dealing with airborne threats – to deal with submarine threats, your battleships are going to have to deviate from their course to run proper sonar scans. They’ll also have to employ their helicopters to cover any gaps.

Basically, what it comes down to is a logistical nightmare. But if you’re confident you can pull this off, then I’m going to start a new thread where my fleet intercepts and attacks this convoy – because I’m not going to let it land in Germany or Poland. It is a clear and present threat to the safety and security of the NWO.

The USIH government would request a link to such a thread when it is opened as there is currently a large IH naval presence in the North Atlantic.

It is not a great distance, I'm coming from Sweden. Also, there are three Belemese fleets nearby so you'd have to go through them first. I don't think he'd be very happy about that.

It is not a great distance, I'm coming from Sweden. Also, there are three Belemese fleets nearby so you'd have to go through them first. I don't think he'd be very happy about that.

Do you own Sweden? What city are you crossing from / to?

It is not a great distance, I'm coming from Sweden. Also, there are three Belemese fleets nearby so you'd have to go through them first. I don't think he'd be very happy about that.

Ignored, you don't own Sweden at all.

Until your Forces being Arriving from Foreign lands and use Supply lines you will be Ignored by NWO RBA and our many other Allies.

Dr_Twist.

I meant Norway* because Guffingford owns it.

Also, if anyone should be ignored it is your many allies who you had to pull into this because you can't fight a war on your own.

Another thing, I'm not even attacking you Twist, if you had known this before you wouldn't have given a shit. I'm not attacking you at all.

Perhaps a new thread is in order then, so that those who know they are associated know, and those that are not also know that.

(Did that make sense??)

Perhaps a new thread is in order then, so that those who know they are associated know, and those that are not also know that.

(Did that make sense??)

Agreed - there is no way that I'll allow another million troops enter the theatre.

Zarbia - do you want to start the thread or shall I?

OOC: Zarbia, ship them over piecemeal they dont all need to arrive at once. And if you coming from Norway air transport would be pretty easy.

Very well, I take that back. I'll move them ship by ship.

It's funny when you guys are gonna lose you start shit like this. Eh, whatever.

Very well, I take that back. I'll move them ship by ship.

It's funny when you guys are gonna lose you start shit like this. Eh, whatever.

ooc: This is part of it - it has nothing to do with "gonna lose" it has to do with tactical positioning. Now - if you would be so kind - what city/port are you departing from, and to which are you heading?

Very well, I take that back. I'll move them ship by ship.

It's funny when you guys are gonna lose you start shit like this. Eh, whatever.

OOC:Gonna lose? When did that happen? Last I saw was quite a few people sending millions of men into the country. Keeping them supplied from your homelands means that you guys are probably gonna lose! If you havnt noticed DT and RF (if this was going ahead) are both quite large and have both had foreign troops in them for RL years who would have built up supply bases for any conflict like this. No matter how many men you lot have without logistical efforts (which some like MG have shown to their credit) they are pretty much useless as ammo and fuel doesnt exactly appear out of thin air! (Unless its being shot at you, in which case it may appear to be)

Kick -