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Hamanistan Armed Forces as of Decembe, 7th 2014
Hamanistan keeps at least 5% of its forces ready for combat at anytime duty should call.


A report like this will be posted on this thread every week along with current military actions.

Ground Forces:
250 Million Troops
100 Million Staff(Drivers, Desk Workers, etc.
145 T-876 Tanks(New so not many)
1,232 T-123 Tanks
1,210 T-101 Tanks
1,543 T-99 Tiger Tanks(Oldest Tanks)
2,434 M-109 Humvee's
2,545 M-110 Tiger APC's
1,200 N-108 Armored Ammo Transports
675 Patriot Missile Launchers
453 150mm Field Cannons
2,100 55mm Anti-Infantry Cannons
1.213 190mm Anti-Tank Cannons
8,653 144mm AA Cannons
1,230 AA-90 Anti-Air Batteries


Air Forces:
1 Million Pilots
1 Million Staff
54 F-1 Fighters
65 F-22 Raptors
98 F/A-18 Hornets
51 B-2 Bombers
53 B-17 Bombers
10 B-100 Terror Bombers
51 Tankers
54 C-130 Cargo Planes
100 C-130 Jump Planes


Naval Forces:
10 Million Seamen
2 Million Staff
50 Destoyers
43 Crusiers
23 Mine Layers
10 Mine Sweepers
45 Subs
10 Nuclear Subs
15 Aircraft Carriers
10 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers


Speical Forces:
100,000 Hamanistn Navy Seals
500 M-1 APC's
500 M-22 Anti-Tank APC's
200 M-109 Humvess
100 J-Hawks(Classified Unit)(Can't Tell What This Is)

Actions:
Building New AFB
Re-Doing Runways at Delmar AFB
12 New Ships Being Constructed

OOC: 20% of your population in the military!?! I have to pity your people, and your soldiers as well for that matter.

Oh well, at least the equipment totals are about accurate for what you could afford, though I'd definately hate to be a pilot trying to log flight time . . .

I believe I say this for all of Green Sun when I say:
We're not screwing with you.

Yea its a high % because in Hamanistan once you turn 15 you must join the military for 3 years, you may leave or re-enlist at the age of 18.

I don't agree with drafts that include minors (Under 18), but it's your choice.

I don't agree with drafts that include minors (Under 18), but it's your choice.


Yes, and that is your choice, I like they way we are going, must people try to go to war when they see something they don't like :rolleyes:

OCC: Its hard for me to believe that you can recruit 20% of your nation without suffering from severe economic problems after awhile. Anyways, I thought the limit was 10%.

War is never the answer.
Just an entertaining pastime.

OOC: How do your Special Forces survive? Where is their logistical support?

OOC: How do your Special Forces survive? Where is their logistical support?


I'm still working on it, the SF are a newly formed unit within the HAF. We don't deploy them because they are not yet trained nor do they have the equipment. I'm even thinking of disbanding them.

This report is also for comments and such like these guys are doing, keep up the comments and anything is welcome, except complete bullshit and flaming.

OOC: Well, playing as I do one of the most highly militarised (and accordingly isolationist and backwards) regimes around, I feel that I can safely say that you have way too many personnel, and way too few military vehicles et cetera. Your gigantic armed forces might not even defeat Dra-pol's, even though I play a realistic population of 34 million, and RP a collapsed economy in spite of the high listed rating. This is because over 4% of Dra-pol's population is in the military. 4% is a whole hell of a lot, and imposes massive restrictions on our nation, and even on our military. It is deemed vital to us, because our northern neighbour is hostile, unstable, and twenty times larger than we our, and our home nation is split in three, with two parts occupied by imperialist powers. Without these things, we could not justify even our percentages, let alone the sort that you indicated.

Now, my figures aren't the be all and end all, as I am an amature myself, and Dra-pol is a unique case and willing to make unusual sacrifices, but our air force has just over 127,000 personnel. With this, we staff 2,253 combat and support aircraft, including rotary wing (helicopters), and further have a couple of hundred assorted training aircraft. You have about four hundred aircraft and two million personnel? It may be true that Dra-pol's manpower to equipment ratio is a little low, as we have a limited population and rarely discard old equipment (as we can't replace it due to the costs of maintaining what we have), but that seems pointless. Your air force would probably get battered by real-world Western European air forces belonging to nations hundreds of percent smaller than yours.

That'd be okay if you were a peace-loving nation not interested in a fight, but that you have so many people involved in the military seems to suggest otherwise.

Dra-pol has over four and a half thousand tanks (including light amphibious versions) as well as over three and a half thousand APCs and eight thousand self-propelled guns. Most of these are old pieces of junk, but even so, it is hard to argue that our primarily straight-leg (infantry-based) army is more mechanised and mobile than yours, which is a sorry state of affairs, really.

Dra-pol doesn't have much of a navy, the pride being just two light frigates, and this is because we've put everything into the air and ground forces.

Now, to be fair, around 30% of Dra-pol's population could be said to be involved in the armed forces, but this includes the four reserve organisations. Those are made up of unmarried women not part of the army or primary defence infrastructure, old men, the infirm, and school children, and are in no way comparable to the army, being immobile, tied to their locale, defensive, operable only in fractions at a time, and so on. It would be wrong to confuse a nation's potential reserve population with its true military. In 1945, Hitler tried to command Volkstrum (sp?) units as if they were army divisions. It... didn't work.

If you want my advise (no idea if you would), I think that you should drastically cut manpower totals and vastly improve mechanisation. You don't have to RP a sane or effective force, of course. I don't RP a sane doctrine, my nation is North Korea on steroids :)

OOC: I like doing this! Yay! :D

Okay, equipment, fine, but it would be hard to have an "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy" and run an economy with 20% of the population.

I'll pull out the example of Korea, again. Cause I just love 'em.

North Korea, with a population of 23 million, can only manage a military of 6 million by letting the country go to waste, with all the starvation and such.

Their military, about 25% of the population, makes everyone else starve to death. Your military, about 20% would definitely make life very poor for a lot of people. You could do it, I'll grant you that. But it will suck for everyone else in the country. (Excluding the politicians, of course.) Especially if you wanted to equip and train the military better than Korea does to its military. And they only pull this off with a dictatorship.

I'm not trying to flame, I'm just giving advice. Which you appear to be mature enough to take. So, that's all! :)

Wow. Okay. Dra-pol said it better than I. Ah, well.

You have about four hundred aircraft and two million personnel?

OOC: lol. Maybe he straps plastic explosives to some of the extra personnel and uses them as bombs. :D

(Ah! :) Note that the DPRK's military as mentioned by Lindim includes the reseves full of school children and retried people with sub-machineguns and SKS rifles, trained on weekends in how to quote the leader and march in formation, and does not represent a cohesive force of millions liable to storm Seoul, but a possible local resistance throughout the nation.)

OOC: lol. Maybe he straps plastic explosives to some of the extra personnel and uses them as bombs. :D

Or in air defence capacity, on SAMs.

"No, no, fall up, you idiots!"

OOC: lol. Maybe he straps plastic explosives to some of the extra personnel and uses them as bombs. :D


Yes, I do.

Sucide Bombers are my main way of breaking enemy moral and lines.

(Ah! :) Note that the DPRK's military as mentioned by Lindim includes the reseves full of school children and retried people with sub-machineguns and SKS rifles, trained on weekends in how to quote the leader and march in formation, and does not represent a cohesive force of millions liable to storm Seoul, but a possible local resistance throughout the nation.)

Good point, Dra-pol. You aren't as crazy OOC as you are IC, I see.

Then again, your intimate knowledge of the DPRK's military is.. disturbing. :)

Any response from Hamanistan?

Shit I forgot all about this, lol I'll have a new report up in the mornning.

Hamanistan Armed Forces as of Decembe 28th, 2014


A report like this will be posted on this thread every week along with current military actions.

Ground Forces:
200 Million Troops
90 Million Staff(Drivers, Desk Workers, etc.
234 T-876 Tanks(New so not many)
1,421 T-123 Tanks
1,223 T-101 Tanks
1,134 T-99 Tiger Tanks(Oldest Tanks)
1,343 M-109 Humvee's
2,432 M-110 Tiger APC's
1,123 N-108 Armored Ammo Transports
1,000 Patriot Missile Launchers
764 150mm Field Cannons
2,432 55mm Anti-Infantry Cannons
1.343 190mm Anti-Tank Cannons
8,546 144mm AA Cannons
1,343 AA-90 Anti-Air Batteries


Air Forces:
1 Million Pilots
1 Million Staff
54 F-1 Fighters
65 F-22 Raptors
98 F/A-18 Hornets
51 B-2 Bombers
53 B-17 Bombers
10 B-100 Terror Bombers
51 Tankers
54 C-130 Cargo Planes
100 C-130 Jump Planes


Naval Forces:
10 Million Seamen
2 Million Staff
55 Destoyers
44 Crusiers
23 Mine Layers
11 Mine Sweepers
45 Subs
10 Nuclear Subs
18 Aircraft Carriers
14 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers


Speical Forces:
100,000 Hamanistn Navy Seals
500 M-1 APC's
500 M-22 Anti-Tank APC's
200 M-109 Humvess
100 J-Hawks(Classified Unit)(Can't Tell What This Is)


Nuclear Force:
45 J-101 ICBM's
10 XYZ ICBM's
35 T-101 ICBM's
50 K-56 ICBM's
5 Launch Centers

Actions:
Covert Operations Within Dumpsterdam
Researching Nuclear Defense
Peacekeeping Forces Within Irondin
Constructing New Military Base
20,000 Men In Armed Forces Tranning