NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: This thread is totally OOC.

But that's the problem, alot of people that role play in International Incidents just cannot for the life of them distinguish between what is In-Character and what is Out-Of-Character. This has GOT to stop now, and it is quite ridiculous that this is even happening.

Look people, here's the low down on what is IC and what is OOC, because I'm now convinced that most of you do not know.

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IN CHARACTER

Your nation is a pathetic stain on the underwear of mankind. Please do us all a favor and crawl into some hole and die. Thank you for wasting my time.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-


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OUT OF CHARACTER

OOC: Let me know how you want to go about this. TM me and we'll sort things out.

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See?!?! Two entirely different personalities from the SAME person!!! How does this work? EASY! This is ROLE PLAY!!!!

What is said while a player is IN CHARACTER does NOT reflect what that player is like when he is OUT OF CHARACTER.

Just today alone, I've had almost a half dozen people either through telegram or a post on the forum slam me for being 'an asshole', or a 'douche bag' for what I say when I'm in character.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE, IT'S ALL ROLEPLAY!!!!!!

If you see an 'OOC' tag behind something, it means that the player himself is speaking. If you see a fancy sig or character picture, then that is in character. PLEASE STOP CONFUSING THE TWO.

Seriously people, this is not that hard to understand! Yes, while in character I'm a total elitist asshole, but out of character I am not and do not appreciate it when people OOCly flame me for how I play the game. PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IC AND OOC IF YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!


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Good rant. It saddens me that people do not recognize the difference. Even my semi-newb (compared to the old guys like thyself) ass self can get that.

OOC: Well said that man. This especially applies to whoever those people were who started complaining about DA and myself not long ago. The only insults were totally IC, i.e IN CHARACTER. OOCly, I might not like him, but i wouldn't call insult him, nor tell him I wished his family were dead. There is a huge difference.

Agreed!

there is of course the converse :-)

You are best of friends IC but cant stand the bastard ooc cause he keeps dragging you into wars you dont want... But you need to be nice ic or invade yourself or you get a worse neighbour....



No i am not thinking of Superier in W@W2...

Now all of you who read this go and play W@W2 :-) [/plug]
http://s6.invisionfree.com/theworldatwar

I agree with this.

Well, hold on. I wouldn't let a few morons who confuse OOC and IC attitudes completely tarnish your oppinion of II. The majority of the people here completely understand the difference. Still, I understand your frustration. Same thing happens to me.

Well, hold on. I wouldn't let a few morons who confuse OOC and IC attitudes completely tarnish your oppinion of II. The majority of the people here completely understand the difference. Still, I understand your frustration. Same thing happens to me.

OOC: This is not just something that has started today. Granted, some of the more regular RPers in I.I do know the difference, but from what I've noticed there is a very large crowd that has absolutly no clue. I could rattle off DOZENS of people just off the top of my head that are guilty of this, this isn't just something that has come around today.

Hell, the RPers in the NS forum feel the exact same way I do: that a large contingent of people in I.I do not know the difference between IC and OOC.

If you're not guilty of this, then don't worry.

Indeed AMF, it's about time we heard a good rant about this and hopefully because it's you people will listen for a change.

You are right Generic, however the people who cant RP, or who do it OICly or whatever the hell they do, post on what can only be called a Herculean scale.
They place themselves everywhere, then when someone new shows up their cascade of poor RPing infects the newb--and ..:: poof ::..you have a brand new n00b.
I agree AMF. That is why W@W was such an appealing prospect.

Amen, AMF, I get this problem all the time...

Amen, AMF, I get this problem all the time...

I think it happens to all the serious RPers in I.I.

I for one plan on bumping this at least once a day so that the offenders of this will read it and hopefully learn something.

I for one plan on bumping this at least once a day so that the offenders of this will read it and hopefully learn something.

Hopefully we'll have that kind of luck.

OOC: Agreed. Someday I should post the hate mail I get TG'ed.

Tip One:
Remember this is pretend and you are not a national leader and neither is the other guy. He is more then likly not from the region of the World he is RPing(pretending to be from).
He does not intend to actually invade.
Your fellow RPer would prefer you to STAY IN CHARACTER!!!


Tip Two:
What is Staying In Character?
My name in the real world outside of NS, is not Mohammed bin Al Deeb-I am not a Sultan, really I am not.
I am not even Bedouin.
I am an American from Detroit.
But RPing war against a father of four who drives truck in Detroit wouldnt be as much fun as it would be against the Sultan of a tribe of modern day Techno Bedouins, who seek to reform Islam to a more peaceful faith then its modern day equivalent.
So for your benefit I play 'make believe', I 'pretend' I 'lie' and say that I am SUltan Mohammed bin Al Deeb- I collect revolver pistols, I carry two WWII Russian revolvers in my robes.
I have several brothers and sisters and over a dozen children.

When I pretend to be the Sultan, I speak with pretty flourishes ie.
"Oh most wise player of Nation States, I beg the One true G-d blesses you with knowledge to learn what the most Beneficent AMF is trying to tell you."
See I dont really talk that way, I pretend.

So first think of some really cool guy, then make him really smart, then pretend to be him-give him a name-and stay in character---if you must talk as your real world self then let us know by placing the letters OOC before your words, then dont forget that before you go back into character pretending to be that bad MotherF^cker--Let us know by placing the letters IC before the words--thank you.
The Mangement.

Good stuff.

AMF ~ as usual, you rock. Thanks from an I.I-er frustrated with the overabundance of stupidity in this forum.

OOC: I completely agree with this rant. It's something that upsets me too when I see it. However, what gets me is the group of people for whom the line between IC persona and OOC personality is blurred or nonexistent and it's the negative traits of the "character" that show up OOCly.

With you, there's a DECIDED difference between AMF the character (I consider all the principle characters of Automagfreek to be almost one 'character') and the player behind AMF. I'm not sure what the difference would be between my main character and me IRL because I RP myself as the president of Sarzonia (unless you count having a boyfriend IC as a 'difference'), but that's because I RP Sarzonia as a reflection of my RL personality.

Having said that, just because I may be an IC enemy with someone doesn't necessarily mean that I'd be an OOC enemy of that person. I have a feeling that Generic Empire and Sarzonia will eventually go to war and it will be a gigantic clash. That doesn't mean I don't respect his writing ability and I don't like him as a person. I don't really know him as a person. Sdaeriji and Sarzonia are essentially at war with each other IC, but we've talked about everything from work to school to football in IMs. We've cooperated extensively OOC in terms of the story we're trying to create.

NationStates is a game that's meant to be fun. It's not meant to be a macho pissing contest or a who has the larger OMG! HUGE METAL PEN1S! RAWRR!. It's meant to be about writing a story and seeing that story unfold as you continue to do more RPs.

OOC: Once again Sarzonia, you hit the nail on the head.

Bump

OOC: Once again he used the "huge metal penis" comment.

Which I assume means he hit the nail on the head with a huge metal penis?

Anyway I agree with pretty much everything I have seen in this thread.

Because of this blatant insult to the intelligence of thousand of nations, Gorkon has no choice but to declare war on Automagfreek. Their honour shall be restored with the blood of your people!












I am of course pulling your leg :p. I know this is OOC.
I agree. You can see it pretty commonly in DA's RPs. Once in a while someone will come along and OOC tell him how offensive his behaviour is, because they come from a certain race and blah blah blah. I assume he's not a psychopathic racist in real life (though, one can never judge when one is online :D), just like I'm sure most of the people behind some future-tech nations aren't actually from the planet Zargon 5 and have six arms (again, it's hard to say for sure :D). Some people really do need to take a few seconds to think these things through...
I also don't understand why people would fall out OOCly because of IC disputes... sure, if they were just really bad RPers and refused to listen to reason or ask for help, then there's a case. But at other times... it almost seems as though they're playing to win, not to tell a story, and they get angry if they don't win...

OOC:
It annoyed me when a load of nations took offence about a nation requiring bible licences on the grounds of "discrimination" the bible, when the same day mass execution of depressives was totally ignored. Which if you ask me is letting OOC bias get in the way of RPing. As a few nations ie "the holy empire of such and such" or "the divine theocracy of" but many of these nations would not react in such a way if they were purely IC and would have reacted far more strongly to genocide than to some religeous regulation.

Well, you know what most people here are like. War is the only thing they're interested in. They have to get some national identity in there somewhere. A holy war for a holy country works fine so far as they're concerned.

I think it happens to all the serious RPers in I.I.

It's not just II, the UN forum has a similar problem. I'm a bit of an arrogant smart-ass IC, and very polite and laid-back OOC. Sometimes this seems to confuse people.

I try to be the same asshole in and out of character :cool:

OOC: It is not that most people do not know the difference between the two its just that they refuse to take any heed of it. Believe it or not most people take IC things OOCly )personally) and proper hatred develops. I think the same goes for all of us, well I do in fact hate certain people on this forum and when I say people I mean the players. It cannot be helped the IC things move into OOC and vice versa, as we are only human. I do understand that Nationstates is only a game but it is a serious one especially when people devote so much time to it.

I think AMF you need to understand that all IC actions do have OOC repercussions, it’s a shame I know but it does happen.

Oh BTW i do hope you didn't take any insult to my rant yesterday it was not OOCly intended :)

Yeah, I concur. Get this shit tagged. Btw, how did things work out with you and RF? Since he posted here.

I think AMF you need to understand that all IC actions do have OOC repercussions, it’s a shame I know but it does happen.

Absolutly not, this sort of thing does NOT happen in the NS forum, nor should it happen PERIOD. The only people I 'don't like' on this forum are the ones that start crap with me OOCly.

If someone is taking IC actions in a personal and OOC manner, perhaps they need to turn the computer off and go outside.

If it's "only human", why do some people not take IC things personally but others do take IC things personally?

OMG!!! AMF is so right!!! I get so pissed off...im glad to hear that if i were to RP with basically all you guys then it would be fine if we talked OOC and on MSN about the war..thats what gets me most annoyed, i speak to people on MSN and then on NS in RPs they dont like me...for no reason IC, but only OOC.

Anyway, the question now is, not how annoyed we are, but how to stop this happening...any ideas?

Well it is up to you to disagree but facts are facts. International Incidents is far more competitive than Nationstates mainly because were all a bunch of self centred shits, but I hate to say that II is the way it is and nothing will change it. People do take OOC insults and people do regard other players with a great distaste. Like it or not the II forums is the bitching forums of NS.

Unfortunately I believe the main problem with all this OOC hatred sprouting to be msn. Most wars are sorted out over the Instant messaging channels and a lot of disagreements start there. There is a lot between what should be happening and what actually does happen. II will never change, I don’t want it to. I feel that all this OOC bitching gives the game that little bit of an extra punch. But hey that’s just me.

[POST EXTENSION] Also I think people will take IC actions personally. Players on NS devote so much time to their nations that to have them exterminated is going to harbour a lot of OOC resentment. Like it or not IC and OOC are cross linked, and it does happen on the NS forums just not as much as II.[/POST EXTENSION]

It's one of those things that I don't think you can send down as a directive from above. Max Barry suddenly posting an order to stop taking IC sh#t as OOC insults is not going to make n00bs or other RPers stop doing it. The only way something like that can be enforced is to have the established and respected RPers create the expectations that such conduct is NOT tolerated.

The whole "no n00ks until you're 100 million pop" thing? That's not a hard-and-fast rule and there's no way that it ever would be considered a hard-and-fast rule, but it's an expectation that has largely held form since before was a newb. When Praetonia was starting a nuclear program with a population of 97 million, someone mentioned the rule in a subsequent post. Granted, the response was something along the lines of, "but what's 3 million among friends," but the point is that "rule" held for the most part. That development of the nuclear arsenal was accepted as I remember it because the RP that led to it was well-developed.

I'm not suggesting that we create something completely iron clad and force it down people's throats, but if people in the "face" camps, the "heel" camps, and the "tweener" camps can all show OOC cooperation in spite of IC hostilities, it can serve as a great example to the newb who is starting to take things personally that don't need to be taken personally.

Unified Sith, I don't disagree with your point that people take their "countries" personally because I've seen it across too many RPs to count. I generally don't like the idea of completely wiping out countries for that very reason. If you give them wiggle room, they can create a resistence movement or they can do other creative things to keep RPing, but they can't if their country is completely wiped off the RP map.

However, I think people lose sight of the fact that if their country is "glassed" or wiped out in some way that they can just create a puppet and start over. Granted, they may have to spend more time building back up to their old glory, but just because they "died" IC doesn't mean their RP experience has to end OOC.

Well it is up to you to disagree but facts are facts. International Incidents is far more competitive than Nationstates mainly because were all a bunch of self centred shits, but I hate to say that II is the way it is and nothing will change it. People do take OOC insults and people do regard other players with a great distaste. Like it or not the II forums is the bitching forums of NS.

Unfortunately I believe the main problem with all this OOC hatred sprouting to be msn. Most wars are sorted out over the Instant messaging channels and a lot of disagreements start there. There is a lot between what should be happening and what actually does happen. II will never change, I don’t want it to. I feel that all this OOC bitching gives the game that little bit of an extra punch. But hey that’s just me.


This is why, to be honest, I find a good deal of II to be crappy RPers. Not writers, I know they are good writers, but people are playing this game to win. That isn't the idea of RP. The idea of RP is to carry on a story, not

" OMG MY TECH IS LEETER THAN U SO I WIN TEH WAR IN 1 DAY W/ MY NUKES"

People should RP for the sake of RPing, not too win. Anyone that doesn't like that can go and get shot, for all I care.

Unified Sith brings up a good point and one that's hard to deny. Even for the NS forum, OOC and IC are not wholly separate. Separating the two almost demands a kind of schizophrenia to keep up. How many players truly do? How many players really aren't attached to their imaginary country, and really don't care what battles (military or diplomatic) it wins and against who?

It's gotten so much that no matter what IC actions I could take, I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever win certain battles against certain players because they simply would refuse to OOCly accept it and would do everything in their power, as a player, to prevent it from going against them.

its your creation; its like in Character RP where you build up a good character from scratch and then someone comes and fucks it up; it sucks; its a kick in the teeth; sullying your good work. Its all about pride; we're all, to some degree, caught up in the game and proud of what we've achieved.

OOC: I have noticed that dozens of players, both old and new , good RP'ers and bad RPer's , that willfully ignore the differences between IC and OOC. Even to go so far as to use OOC reasons to justify going to war or OOC reasons to justify IC actions.

I have pointed this out in private to players when they do this (when I'm actually involved that is) and I have found that a good number of players that use OOC info in IC situations do so willfully and purposefully to control the RP so that they can 'win' it .

Hogsweat pointed out nicely that RPing isn't about 'winning' or 'losing' , but for some reason a majority of NS players seem to think that they can 'win' if they do enough OOC bitching and complaining which of course they overlap into IC and it's just stupid.

As soon as anyone says to me 'well I'm doing this IC because OOC you said...........' I just tell them where to go.

NS players need to understand that IC and OOC are COMPLETELY different. Thanks to AMF for pointing it out, it seems to be a little known fact.

Look everyone knows about this OOC/IC gripe and AMF has just brought it up because well it is affecting his rp’s. Possibly because some RWC members are leaving the alliance to help their friends I don’t know. However I regard OOC and IC to be the same things in some cases. Such as I regard it as the back channels between governments.

We all mix up OOC and IC all the time even to go as far as planning an rp. So how can we blame people that do the same. Problems only arise out of it when people object OOCly to people using OOC information ICly but the OOC information has been discussed ICly/OOcly meaning the objector is using OOC information to affect IC. Confused????? I know I am. But seriously this mix up of OOC and IC does need to be toned down but the OOC bitching and piss contests will always remain on II it is impossible to change it.

Unified Sith brings up a good point and one that's hard to deny. Even for the NS forum, OOC and IC are not wholly separate. Separating the two almost demands a kind of schizophrenia to keep up. How many players truly do? How many players really aren't attached to their imaginary country, and really don't care what battles (military or diplomatic) it wins and against who?

It's gotten so much that no matter what IC actions I could take, I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever win certain battles against certain players because they simply would refuse to OOCly accept it and would do everything in their power, as a player, to prevent it from going against them.


While I agree that neither forum will be totally rid of this, one cannot deny that the NS forum does not see as much of this problem as I.I does. I think that in NS the line is abit more clear than it is in I.I. I believe Knootoss said it perfectly in his thread a few weeks back that was locked (unjustly, in my opinion). It brought up many of these same points about atmosphere and attitude, and he was exactly right.

And there is not much the moderators can do to solve this either. They are here to enforce content, not RP atmosphere. It is up to US, the players to solve this problem, because the problem lies in the players on this site. This site would not function if it were not for us, and if we want to continue to enjoy our experience on this site, we need to step up to the plate and put our foot down.A player should not feel like they cannot make any aggressive IC action because it will lead to him getting OOCly flamed. A player should not feel like whatever he does ICly is a direct reflection of his RL personality, because it does not.

Look everyone knows about this OOC/IC gripe and AMF has just brought it up because well it is affecting his rp’s. Possibly because some RWC members are leaving the alliance to help their friends I don’t know.



WRONG. Totally wrong.

I've stated many times in the past that I am fed up with this, and only now has it gotten to the point where I cannot take it anymore. I haven't spent over a year exclusively in this forum to try and make it better only to see all my efforts and the efforts of many others go to waste.

If you think this is just MY problem, you're dead wrong.

OOC:



We all mix up OOC and IC all the time even to go as far as planning an rp. So how can we blame people that do the same. Problems only arise out of it when people object OOCly to people using OOC information ICly but the OOC information has been discussed ICly/OOcly meaning the objector is using OOC information to affect IC. Confused????? I know I am. But seriously this mix up of OOC and IC does need to be toned down but the OOC bitching and piss contests will always remain on II it is impossible to change it.

No, we all don't. I have been RPing since Dungeons and Dragons was published by the Judges Guild (for anyone that knows what that means.) and I never once got confused with myself and a character, I know the difference between what I say, and what reprsentatives of my nation say.

The only people that mix these up are a.) lazy b.) determined to use OOC knowledge to their IC advantage or c.) confuse reality and NS due to some mental defect.

Sometimes there are IC/OOC misunderstandings, usually caused by players making an OOC post without identifying it as OOC (with a nice OOC: before the post) that may lead to some momentary confusion, but shouldn't lead to a mixing of IC and OOC unless you're just too lazy or confused to correct it.

Of course we all try to plan RP's OOC to resolve technical issues that may arise, but this should not constitue a mixing of IC and OOC statements and intelligence.

It's far from just being a problem for AMF. If it were just an AMF problem, I don't think many RPers would go out of their way to post guides to roleplay and continue to post them. I don't think people would go out of their way to mentor newb nations that show any kind of promise. I don't think people would be posting much in threads like this one if it were just AMF's problem. It's a problem for ALL of us.

This problem has been widespread enough for me to see it in all its ugliness. I've seen it in RPs that I've only briefly skimmed and I've seen it in RPs I've been a very active participant in. People take their countries too seriously, perhaps for the reason Chronosia pointed out. Serious RPers invest a LOT of time developing their characters and really work to create a world where their country exists. To see someone come along and "n00k" their work out of existence is like spending weeks to build a model house and watch your 8 year old nephew crash into it while horsing around in your living room. That was a labor of love that just got destroyed in a few minutes of frivolity.

Agreed.

Speaking from personal experience Sarzonia? You seem emotional about that particular example :P

As i said in my last post, the question now is not WHY we are annoyed but HOW to stop it happening. I myself think that the idea that RP University HAD was great, noobs who were completely new to NS and wanted to Rp could learn how to quickly and well. The trouble with being completely new to NS is that if you want to RP you just dont know how...sure, you can read the long threads on how to RP, but thats boring, new nations just want to go straight in. And once they get into bad habbits they wont get out of them, their nations are the best, and they are always right.

When it comes to it i know i am a CRAP RPer, i sometimes think my Rp is good, but i cant tell, the class of people i have Rped with have never been amazing, sure they have been good enough, but never great. And the best people have massively long posts, i cant spend that much time to write so much, my parents wont let me go online that long, and im not the worlds fastest typer.

So my suggestion is, we have a "BUDDY" system. new nations who are new to the world of RP can pear up with one of the "buddy" nations and they can practise their Rp skills and what to, and not to, do. I have seen threads were nations have asked for help, and they have got it, they have had people offer them training in RPing, and i have seen this several times. If we could expand on that idea then i think the quality of ALL RP would be greatly increased, the troble is, often the people who need help just dont want it, and those who dont are the ones willing to learn more...

Speaking from personal experience Sarzonia? You seem emotional about that particular example :PLOL, actually no. I just have a very vivid imagination. :p

But I figured the example would give good context for what it feels like to have characters killed off that you spent months (IRL) developing.

Yeah, some form of buddy system would keep the newbs under control and stop new players from interrupting the game or causing arguments; which, as I learned recently, can cause whole RPs to collapse.
I consider myself an OK RPer, I'm nothing special...

As i said in my last post, the question now is not WHY we are annoyed but HOW to stop it happening. I myself think that the idea that RP University HAD was great, noobs who were completely new to NS and wanted to Rp could learn how to quickly and well. The trouble with being completely new to NS is that if you want to RP you just dont know how...sure, you can read the long threads on how to RP, but thats boring, new nations just want to go straight in. And once they get into bad habbits they wont get out of them, their nations are the best, and they are always right.

When it comes to it i know i am a CRAP RPer, i sometimes think my Rp is good, but i cant tell, the class of people i have Rped with have never been amazing, sure they have been good enough, but never great. And the best people have massively long posts, i cant spend that much time to write so much, my parents wont let me go online that long, and im not the worlds fastest typer.

So my suggestion is, we have a "BUDDY" system. new nations who are new to the world of RP can pear up with one of the "buddy" nations and they can practise their Rp skills and what to, and not to, do. I have seen threads were nations have asked for help, and they have got it, they have had people offer them training in RPing, and i have seen this several times. If we could expand on that idea then i think the quality of ALL RP would be greatly increased, the troble is, often the people who need help just dont want it, and those who dont are the ones willing to learn more...

Hmmm...so a player at the n00b stage will remain at the n00b stage unless acted upon by an anti-n00b force strong enough to overcome the natural n00b inertia of the player at the n00b stage?

So my suggestion is, we have a "BUDDY" system. new nations who are new to the world of RP can pear up with one of the "buddy" nations and they can practise their Rp skills and what to, and not to, do. I have seen threads were nations have asked for help, and they have got it, they have had people offer them training in RPing, and i have seen this several times. If we could expand on that idea then i think the quality of ALL RP would be greatly increased, the troble is, often the people who need help just dont want it, and those who dont are the ones willing to learn more...

Looking at Jonothana's signature, I think there may already be some sort of 'Buddy' system in place, that 'Twin your nation' link.

The problem is, getting people to accept that they need a hand. I'm pretty piss-poor when it comes down to it, but I've acknowledged that and continue to read other people's RPs and learn from them. Some people may not appreciate the offer of help.

Oh boy, how many times have we seen AMF make this rant now? ;)

Oh boy, how many times have we seen AMF make this rant now? ;)

That's because I am one of the very few who are willing to do it. And obvisouly it's a rant that's well worth it, or else this thread would have died out already.

Yay! People pay attention to me.

But seriously, don't trust the links there. Half of them don't work. I really must get that fixed...

Ok...maybe it's only the first one. But meh...

That's because I am one of the very few who are willing to do it. And obvisouly it's a rant that's well worth it, or else this thread would have died out already.Oh no, your opinion is valid. I'm just poking fun at the situation. You've been around forever, saying all the stuff you've been saying and yet not much has changed. Is that RP University still around?

Hmmm...so a player at the n00b stage will remain at the n00b stage unless acted upon by an anti-n00b force strong enough to overcome the natural n00b inertia of the player at the n00b stage?

Bassically yes...i believe so.

Mef: I have never seen something such as this before, i myself think it is very good that at least someone is speaking out about this! The region Role play universaty is still around but its small now, and i dont see a forum Address...

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Oh no, your opinion is valid. I'm just poking fun at the situation. You've been around forever, saying all the stuff you've been saying and yet not much has changed. Is that RP University still around?

Nope, that's been dead for a long time. Even though I was not apart of it, I heard all the horror stories about how hard it was to run. I'll try to dig up a post from Steel Butterfly that he made recently regarding the RP University if I can find it.

I will also applaud Automagfreek for he has heroically pointed out the obvious with the snap and dash which can only be expected of those of his high breeding quality.

WRONG. Totally wrong.

I've stated many times in the past that I am fed up with this, and only now has it gotten to the point where I cannot take it anymore. I haven't spent over a year exclusively in this forum to try and make it better only to see all my efforts and the efforts of many others go to waste.

If you think this is just MY problem, you're dead wrong.


I was only hinting at the possible reasons as to why you made this thread now.

I think this is where we finally agree AMF. II is a hard place to rp, in fact I have toyed with the idea of moving forums myself to avoid this OOC/IC rubbish as it does cause headaches. But once again I reiterate that there is nothing we can do about it unless all the players in these forums agree to stop being what one can only call JERKS.

I have seen it constantly and I still continue to see it so all I can say is that perhaps I will see you about the Nationstates forums :P

The awnser is simple. If you RP properly your nation isnt going to get flattened. No real life nation would jump into a war over OOC things, no RL nation would take war as lightly as many II ers do. Real life nations try to avoid obliteration at all costs and if NSer treated their nations liuke RL ones, they wouldnt lose them.

I don't enter wars I cant at least survive. It's simple. If I survive, I can revuild. Simple.

OS my FT nation was obliterated by Cam III do I hate him? No, he's cool. ICly though Cam must die a horrible death and I wish Cam to rot in hell. OOC he's good.

I dont enter wars that will obliterate my nation. Simple, if everyone else acted like 10000 men were actually important and so on, regardless of size, only wars people could deal with OOC;y would happen.

The awnser is simple. If you RP properly your nation isnt going to get flattened. No real life nation would jump into a war over OOC things, no RL nation would take war as lightly as many II ers do. Real life nations try to avoid obliteration at all costs and if NSer treated their nations liuke RL ones, they wouldnt lose them.

I don't enter wars I cant at least survive. It's simple. If I survive, I can revuild. Simple.

OS my FT nation was obliterated by Cam III do I hate him? No, he's cool. ICly though Cam must die a horrible death and I wish Cam to rot in hell. OOC he's good.

I dont enter wars that will obliterate my nation. Simple, if everyone else acted like 10000 men were actually important and so on, regardless of size, only wars people could deal with OOC;y would happen.

That's a good answer. Several months ago, when the whole ESUS/AoN mess was heating up, I was a jerk, primarily because I couldn't admit that my nation and by extension, my alliance couldn't lose to a smaller and less advanced alliance/nation.

But since I've RPed the destruction of my nation, I feel less like 'winning' and more like 'making good posts.' Of course, RL takes up an altogether too large chunk of my writing time, but I digress.

Since I sort of lost interest in the 'national competition' I feel that my RPing has improved.

Sure I may have killed off almost two billion people, but I can always rebuild later. Nations don't truely die until they go to that big deletion bin in the sky.

That's also true. As long as itisn't completely destroyed, or taken over, losing a war adds character and history to a nation. It gives it the opportunity to rebuild stronger and something more substantial to RP with.

A nation is more than a set of figures, and while numbers and so on do affect it's power, it's primarily people. And yes smaller nations can win. No 5 million nation will win a war against a few hundred million. But if your nation is large enough, you dont have to annihilate to win wars, you just have to make it so much effort and pain for the enemy to attack you, that they stop. Which goes back to my previous issue, any half decent leader will stop fighting when it starts eating troops for minimal gains. Like Vietnam... Or why Britain held of Germany in WW2 (well that and the well argued thgeory that they may have actually had no aim to attack Britain, but again that was because the Uk didnt warrant the cost).

Damn, you should see the amount of bullshit that I get when I shove some IC propoganda into my posts.

You'll hear GODMOD and IGNORE coming from 4 miles away.

-_-'

[rant]

All of you, the man is right. Shape up. :p

*applause*

Unfortunately AMF’s current escapades are far from cooperative. Granted it is fun to read however his wars are wars which will remove people from almost an entire year or two years worth of work. Nationstates is a cooperative rp game, when the scenario has already been pre-set, however with current wars against former RWC members this is far from corporative.

There are two types of wars in Nationstates. A) Is when it is an already pre-set RP and the outcome is decided so players won’t bitch about stats or numbers as they have a security net as they know what’s going to happen.

And now we have the second type, which is unfortunately the type Automagfreek tends to get involved in.



Now here we have AMF telling the players that he has declared war upon that they will, if they lose have to abandon their nations in the current rp circle as there will be nothing left. This of course will generate a slight nervousness around players as they don’t want to see their hard work flushed down the pan.



The above quote of AMF clearly demonstrates that this is hardly a corporative Role Play, it is a kill or be killed rp, which is the type that almost always ends up in either godmoding or an IGNORE. I think it is perfectly understandable for nations faced with utter destruction to call upon certain statistics such as the AMF army contingent when they are reluctantly facing it.


It's posts like this that drive me up a friggin' wall. Do some of you take this game THAT seriously? Obviously there are plenty of people such as Sith here who believe that just because I role play a very militarily aggressive nation that when at war kills everything in sight that I'm some asshole in real life. Well, sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble, but I'm not some asshole who's out to ruin this game for everyone. When I do RP war YES I am a fan of 'salted earth' tactics, but that doesn't mean that the person I'm doing this against has lost the game. There is no such thing as losing in RP!!!! When are some of you naive people going to realize this!!!! Who the fuck says that if you're destroyed by me you have to leave the game! Just give it a short time for rebuilding then there ya go! Sniper Country got nuked into NOTHING, but managed to come back bigger and better due to foreign colonization. They cleaned up the land and repopulated it. Just because you're 'destroyed' does NOT mean to cannot come back. Ask Allanea.

Just because I RP an evil militaristic nation does NOT mean that I am an uncooperative asshole here people! I'm more than willing to be reasonable and work things out OOCly, but people like Sith here make this very hard because they go around telling everyone how much of a douche I am. That is very unfair to me and I am sick of being singled out. If someone does not want to fight me, then don't RP with me!!!!! That fuckin' simple!

But DON'T go around talking shit about me and how I play this game. The people on this site with an actual functioning brain know that I RP a post-modern AND fantasy nation. Excuse me for using my imagination, I didn't realize such things were frowned upon. :rolleyes:

Seriously people, either play the game with me or don't. But don't continue to make my life on NS miserable because you have an agenda against me. This is why I hate International Incidents so much now, because of MORONS who insist on taking EVERYTHING I do personally and OOCly. For the love of everything that's holy, this has GOT to stop.

Seriously people, either play the game with me or don't. But don't continue to make my life on NS miserable because you have an agenda against me. This is why I hate International Incidents so much now, because of MORONS who insist on taking EVERYTHING I do personally and OOCly. For the love of everything that's holy, this has GOT to stop.

*applaudes*

Here's a solution - ignore the tweebs, play your game your way, move on.

Idiots will never change, and they only serve to tear you down.

Remember - its consensual role play. Why would you consent to this sort of verbal rape?

This thread should definitely be stickied.