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This little rivalry that we both have is frankly getting on my nerves. So I have an insane proposal.

Peace.

It's amazing right? Peace between our two alliances. Do I speak for NATO? Hell no. But seriously now, why do you want NATO dead?

Why? You're the Right Wing Collective, not the Anti-NATO Collective. You're supposed to declare war on leftist nations like ME!

So can we please for the love of God stop this stupid rivalry and come into an agreement?

ooc:Is this an IC or OOC post? I don't know...

Finally! Well said Rose.

It's OOC.

*points to title*

*expects Vastiva to bust in any-time and start slinging around that it was all the RWC's fault*

*waits*

ooc:Is this an IC or OOC post? I don't know...

Doth you see the title?

OOC ATTN RWC and NATO

My nation has never been anti-NATO.

In fact, we're even thinking of joining NATO...

We Will Settle This Matter Now!

ooc: So you want to settle an IC rivalry in OOC? Ummm, ok.

I can't speak for the RWC, but I would be fine with ending it for the time being. I've frankly got better things to do :)

Well tbh it's an OOC and an IC rivalry...

I'd also echo Dump in asking the usual suspects (ahem, no names) to refrain from running their mouths off.

Perhaps, we could actually have an OOC discussion between Vollmeria and whoever is actually running NATO atm...

We Will Settle This Matter Now!

I didn't think it was that important... I mean, AMF is pissed off with The Macabees, not the RWC. Some of the RWC want to support the Macabees even though the rest of the RWC won't support them for doing so...

It's not (as I understand it) a matter of NATO vs RWC, more NATO vs Macabees and friends.

Official Announcement of the Riksdag of the Federal Republic of Bonstock:

Despite a preoccupation with other matters at this point, it shall be the policy of the Federal Republic to allow a peaceful coexistance with NATO to exist. The Federal Republic seeks no ill against NATO, and will be quite pleased to allow a working relationship, even alliance, to exist between the RWC and NATO. However, it should be noted that this is only the word of the Federal Republic of Bonstock, and should not be taken as representative of the entire RWC.

I didn't think it was that important... I mean, AMF is pissed off with The Macabees, not the RWC. Some of the RWC want to support the Macabees even though the rest of the RWC won't support them for doing so...

It's not (as I understand it) a matter of NATO vs RWC, more NATO vs Macabees and friends.


The people that wanted to support The Macabees left the RWC, problem solved I'd say.

Hell, it's not even a matter of you having to leave the RWC unless the others incisted on it.

The Macabees is not a member of the RWC, as such their actions are not the responcability of the RWC. Meanwhile, it's an individual members choice to support the Macabees, however they should understand that they won't get support from the other members who choose not to support The Macabees.

As far as I know, you understand this.

As far as I know, Automagfreek has made no aggressive stance towards the RWC, only nations who are members of the RWC who are protecting The Macabees.


Like I said, it's not NATO vs. RWC, it's NATO vs. The Macabees and friends.

I concure with this message

I concure with this message

Ok then, can you make a point of trying to explain this to any members of the RWC who think that NATO are coming after them... Automagfreek, doesn't really have an issue with them so long as they don't protect the nation which damaged him.

Meanwhile members of NATO should understand that the RWC is not protecting the Macabees, though some members of the RWC are supporting the Macabees, they do not represent the RWC's wishes as a whole. They are acting alone.

Meanwhile members of NATO should understand that the RWC is not protecting the Macabees, though some members of the RWC are supporting the Macabees, they do not represent the RWC's wishes as a whole. They are acting alone.

OOC: That's not entirely factual, Iuth.

OOC: That's not entirely factual, Iuth.

You can drop the "OOC"... I'm not speaking IC because this is a OOC thread, if I was I would be using my diplomats name afterwards in bold.

I thought that this was relatively factual... I mean the RWC aren't supporting the Macabees. Some of their members are but the alliance itself isn't. Their leader said they weren't to support him.

OOC: That's not entirely factual, Iuth.


It is fact, Dump got kicked ut BECOUSE he was surporting Mac. The RWC leadership is completly against helping.

You can drop the "OOC"... I'm not speaking IC because this is a OOC thread, if I was I would be using my diplomats name afterwards in bold.

I thought that this was relatively factual... I mean the RWC aren't supporting the Macabees. Some of their members are but the alliance itself isn't. Their leader said they weren't to support him.

Well, if there are no Macabees supporters left in the RWC, then I suppose it would logically follow that we shouldn't have any beef with the RWC.

It is fact, Dump got kicked ut BECOUSE he was surporting Mac. The RWC leadership is completly against helping.

People like you should shut up and read correctly.

I left the RWC because I am not going back on a promise to a friend.

Get your facts straight.

But there are still RWC hostilities against NATO. And I want to end that.

People like you should shut up and read correctly.

I left the RWC because I am not going back on a promise to a friend.

Get your facts straight.

Hey calm down, I was wrong, I was told you got kicked out not that you left. I to am gonna help Mac, hes my friend also.

But there are still RWC hostilities against NATO. And I want to end that.

Ah, well that doesn't concern me directly.

Hey calm down, I was wrong, I was told you got kicked out not that you left. I to am gonna help Mac, hes my friend also.

So will you be leaving the RWC as well then?

I agree totally, this is getting out of control. Lets have some peace.

Official Government Statement

Pacitalia fully supports the actions made by the Island of Rose in the search for peace between our two alliances. We are not meant to fight, so why are we?

RWC nations have the opportunity to leave if they wish to IC support Macabee's in this action.

OOC is another matter of course.

So yes you are right, Iuthia it is figuratively that... although I feel it could get a lot wider, but not official alliance wars.

Just stating whats going on so to speak.

I'm all for this idea. I mean why did this rivalry start in the first place? IIRC, Chellis got freaked out when Mac wanted Spain thinking it was a move against his French land. It is now known to us that Mac wanted Spain as it his is RL homeland. I think we can just go back and get to peace.

ooc: Unfortunatly, it seems to be a little late for that...

While we remain loyal to NATO, we too are very irritated over this whole rivelry and we will not endorse it any more. While we do not agree with RWC and find ourselves at odds with a couple of hostile members, it's no bloody reason to be at constant war with that whole alliance.

Even a neutral agreement would be best.

I'm all for this idea. I mean why did this rivalry start in the first place? IIRC, Chellis got freaked out when Mac wanted Spain thinking it was a move against his French land. It is now known to us that Mac wanted Spain as it his is RL homeland. I think we can just go back and get to peace.

Getting Spain was like one of his biggest goals, it definitly wasn't a move on Chellis.

-ttttttagged, not a member of either, but useful to see how this pans out-

If your talking about cruicible, that was Guffingford preparing to attack me. If you are talking about the gibraltar thing, that had nothing to do with macabee's.

*points to title*

*expects Vastiva to bust in any-time and start slinging around that it was all the RWC's fault*

*waits*

Pbbbbbbbttttttthhhhhhhpppppp!

Peace is good, an end to the inane chatterings back and forth would be good.

*slips note to Dumpsterdam "And its all yer fault! Nyah!"* ;)

As Vastiva is peaceful today and I was never told to be quiet, I undertake to represent the "Evil-NATO-Nation-who-Hates ALL THE WORLD< BUT ESPECIALLY THE RWC" with great honor. Vastiva, I've got your back on this one.

So shut up all you damn RWC members! You're dumb! And you can't RP your way out of a paper bag with a dead weasel, a small tin can, and a case of plum pudding! and you won't get that reference because you're dumb! So NYAH NYAH NYAH!





But outside my official position of "Vice-RWC hater," I too want peace.





Hint. The above was all a joke. Except the wanting peace. If you didn't get it, you are, to quote spaceballs, good, because "Evil always wins because Good is Dumb." so there.

So let's get started on the peace negotiations >_> <_<

What peace negotiations? The RWC has already abandoned any member who supports Macabees and NATO aren't interested in the RWC. There wasn't a conflict between those two alliances and Automagfreek isn't about to "negotiate" with the Blacklisted nations about anything other then how they should surrender to him.

So asside from clearing up that the RWC do not support Macabees and as such Automagfreek is going to war with them... there isn't really anything to negotiate.

When there was a banner calling me a queer on their forums, we have a problem.

I just don't want OOC hatred between the two alliances. Because there WAS and something there is tension between the two alliances. I just wanna see if there can be some sort of neutral treaty.

What peace negotiations? The RWC has already abandoned any member who supports Macabees and NATO aren't interested in the RWC. There wasn't a conflict between those two alliances and Automagfreek isn't about to "negotiate" with the Blacklisted nations about anything other then how they should surrender to him.

So asside from clearing up that the RWC do not support Macabees and as such Automagfreek is going to war with them... there isn't really anything to negotiate.

OCC: Incorrect The Macabees is still a RWC member, just RWC refuses to admit it, RWC continues what they were doing but on a more Quieter Level trying to make it look like something else, RWC on endless occasions has pulled out of Talks, I have created and Mediated a lot of Talks between the two alliances, when ever we got close RWC pulled out. There hopeless and will never learn from there Mistakes.

Gah... silly out of forums crap makes this hard to follow.

Gah... silly out of forums crap makes this hard to follow.

OCC: that’s fine, As long as the World Reads those Comments and Understands Easily Enough. The Macabees is Still a Member of RWC, and is Still RWC Backed!

Yeah, but the information you are giving people is OOC so it doesn't really convert to IC at all... however for the perposes of explaining the OOC situation to me better, it's nice to know. Thanks.

Yeah, but the information you are giving people is OOC so it doesn't really convert to IC at all... however for the perposes of explaining the OOC situation to me better, it's nice to know. Thanks.

I know i wish i could Explain it in IC, but its OCC :(

Ah well, life happens.

OCC: Incorrect The Macabees is still a RWC member, just RWC refuses to admit it, RWC continues what they were doing but on a more Quieter Level trying to make it look like something else, RWC on endless occasions has pulled out of Talks, I have created and Mediated a lot of Talks between the two alliances, when ever we got close RWC pulled out. There hopeless and will never learn from there Mistakes.

Eh?

You pulled out of the last lot, Twist... everybody had hardly got involved and you pulled the plug... we did NOTHING. Don't blame us for what we didn't do.

And since you've seemingly got in for us no matter what we do Twist I would remind you this for NATO and the RWC not for GDODAD and NWO to come hoping in tell everyone what they think too :)

The Macabee's has been IP banned from our forums.

I feel it is time, NATO and the RWC came to a agreement or a Non Aggression Pact, not on the subject of the Macabean war but as a general thing. Although I cannot speak for our leadership, I think on general consensus this is what our membership would prefer in the current situation.

this for NATO and the RWC not for GDODAD and NWO to come hoping in tell everyone what they think too

What you perhaps fail to see is that these organizations are intertwined, many members are part of two or even three of the above mentioned groups, and therefore this is a matter which is of concern to all the four you have mentioned.

What you perhaps fail to see is that these organizations are intertwined, many members are part of two or even three of the above mentioned groups, and therefore this is a matter which is of concern to all the four you have mentioned.

Lol, I realise that Presgreif, however this peace concerns NATO and RWC alone, the individual members with mulitple alliance loyalties have a interest but not the representatives of said alliances...

Now I will wait for your reply telling me, how it does because if it concerns your members it concerns you right?

I was making a point... really.

Lol, I realise that Presgreif, however this peace concerns NATO and RWC alone, the individual members with mulitple alliance loyalties have a interest but not the representatives of said alliances...

Now I will wait for your reply telling me, how it does because if it concerns your members it concerns you right?

I was making a point... really.

I don't know, do you really expect me to turn this into some kind of an argument? If so, I guess you don't really know me. I just saw your post, and something came to mind which I thought might need to be said, so I posted it. Its not exaclty an issue of contension.

*oh look, my thousandth post, yaaay. :p *

Not really... just I rather like argueing it's like a hobby...

Congrats on the 1000th post btw...

Not really... just I rather like argueing it's like a hobby...

Congrats on the 1000th post btw...

lol, ok, thanks. ;)

Tag

It is fact, Dump got kicked ut BECOUSE he was surporting Mac. The RWC leadership is completly against helping.


AMF knows my position on this. As do you.

Well, if there are no Macabees supporters left in the RWC, then I suppose it would logically follow that we shouldn't have any beef with the RWC.

Correction, if a nation within the RWC chooses to support The Macabees they can, without RWC support. It does not mean they have to resign(atleast not as far as i'm concerned).

When there was a banner calling me a queer on their forums, we have a problem.

I just don't want OOC hatred between the two alliances. Because there WAS and something there is tension between the two alliances. I just wanna see if there can be some sort of neutral treaty.

1) Never existed! We do talk(and sometimes laugh) at about other people like any Alliance does on its board. But i dont remember your name ever being posted on our boards.

2) From my point of view, i OOCly and ICly had something against one or more NATO members(the one who ignores me because he cant win an OOC argument, you know who). But now there can be some sort of treaty, if you want it. Right now i want things to slow down considerably, i cant keep up with all the crap that shows up every minute of the day.

Eh?

You pulled out of the last lot, Twist... everybody had hardly got involved and you pulled the plug... we did NOTHING. Don't blame us for what we didn't do.

And since you've seemingly got in for us no matter what we do Twist I would remind you this for NATO and the RWC not for GDODAD and NWO to come hoping in tell everyone what they think too :)

The Macabee's has been IP banned from our forums.

I feel it is time, NATO and the RWC came to a agreement or a Non Aggression Pact, not on the subject of the Macabean war but as a general thing. Although I cannot speak for our leadership, I think on general consensus this is what our membership would prefer in the current situation.

You should get a higher position within our alliance.

Correction, if a nation within the RWC chooses to support The Macabees they can, without RWC support. It does not mean they have to resign(atleast not as far as i'm concerned).

Well, that's a very open ended policy. In GDODAD, everyone takes the same position on such issues. It avoids confusion, and at the same time makes us as an organization accountable for our actions. I question the stability of an organization in which everyone does whatever they want, whenever they want.

1) Never existed! We do talk(and sometimes laugh) at about other people like any Alliance does on its board. But i dont remember your name ever being posted on our boards.



OOC: Bull. There were banners mocking almost every NATO member, several of which were about me.

OOC: Bull. There were banners mocking almost every NATO member, several of which were about me.

I havent seen any
Are you calling me a liar now?

I havent seen any
Are you calling me a liar now?

Except for that picture of Vastiva, we have no banners. ;)

Well, maybe this one after the Spain, Schotland, Macabee and Gibraltar fuck-ups which led me to conclude that NATO was not capable to defend itself apart from IGNORES and spewing major OOC banter at its enemies.(The people who I'm talking about know exactly what I mean)

OOC: Bull. There were banners mocking almost every NATO member, several of which were about me.

Evidence? (not Photo-shopped propaganda, thank you).

And there were not to the best of my knowledge... We have an image rotary system in our forums, but this is filled with amusing (childish to say the least... *cough* HP *cough*)... images and video streams. This is meant for the amusement and heightened co-operative atmosphere within the alliance, we don't use it for nationstates propaganda unless it's considered a light joke, but this is very limited I must stress.

If you however find anything offensive on our forums, then I would remind you of this basic premise:

With every single object/thing in the world, someone will find it in some way/on some level offensive.

But in the same vein with every single object/thing in the world, someone will find it in some way/on some level amusing or humourous.

So how do you reconcile the two?

But let me ask you something?

Are there not OOC jokes, general anti (insert subject or person) writings/rants or feelings written on all Nationstates/game related forums your on?

If not you must be on some very strange (or dead) forums...

This is not meant to flame you AMF, this is a simple point making statement, if you take offence, thats your concern not mine.

Well its still new to me, I havent seen it. How long was it there?

OOC: Good idea, I personally was getting a little tired over this whole "rivalry" thing, I mean, alot of the nations in NATO are evil enough to be in the RWC anyway, why fight them?

EDIT: A Kriegorgrad post, btw!

ooc: just a general note to everyone the RWC forum is completely OOC there is no IC RP portion of it, everything said is OOC though things may be adapted later on through different means of communication to IC.

Evidence? (not Photo-shopped propaganda, thank you).

And there were not to the best of my knowledge... We have an image rotary system in our forums, but this is filled with amusing (childish to say the least... *cough* HP *cough*)... images and video streams. This is meant for the amusement and heightened co-operative atmosphere within the alliance, we don't use it for nationstates propaganda unless it's considered a light joke, but this is very limited I must stress.

If you however find anything offensive on our forums, then I would remind you of this basic premise:

With every single object/thing in the world, someone will find it in some way/on some level offensive.

But in the same vein with every single object/thing in the world, someone will find it in some way/on some level amusing or humourous.

So how do you reconcile the two?

But let me ask you something?

Are there not OOC jokes, general anti (insert subject or person) writings/rants or feelings written on all Nationstates/game related forums your on?

If not you must be on some very strange (or dead) forums...

This is not meant to flame you AMF, this is a simple point making statement, if you take offence, thats your concern not mine.

When I see a picture of myself defiled in the manner that it was, that makes it very personal. I know HP was responsible, and it disappoints me greatly that a player can be so damn childish.

When I see a picture of myself defiled in the manner that it was, that makes it very personal. I know HP was responsible, and it disappoints me greatly that a player can be so damn childish.

So you say... but yet again I ask you for evidence for this claim.

As for HP, his reasons for problems with you and some of your friends are his own. But again if these supposed images exist may I ask for evidence also that it was HP, because what you are saying at the moment is effectively slander without evidence or justificaiton of your claims.

Also, i'd like to point OOC problems are OOC problems, not IC problems... this is a mainly IC area, RWC forums are OOC thus members can put on what they want...

This at the moment is like claiming theres a dartboard with HP's face on it sitting in the NWO forums with it saying rude things about his person. I mean there could well be but I doubt HP would actually care...

*sighs*

http://members.lycos.co.uk/manhattanproject120/images/AMF-vastiva.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/manhattanproject120/images/nato11.jpg

Ask HP if either one of those links look familiar.

But if you click on them you will notice they have been removed, along with all the other slanderous pictures of NATO members. All of us in NATO saw them, so I don't think 15 of us were hallucinating. roughly a half hour to an hour after we saw them they were removed. I'm not sure if a NATO member report it to Lycos, but it seems that they were removed by HP because the other pictures in his 'images' folder are still there.

We all know damn well it is HP that did this, so trying to dismiss it and pass the blame off on another is not going to work.

Bump.

(starts singing "Why can't we be friends?" with a choir)