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Hyperion Class Rigid Airship
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The Hyperion Class of Rigid Airship is a helium filled, rigid airship (not a blimp). The helium is contained in several self-sealing cells which are packed in a kevlar/polymer composite skin which is wrapped around a lightwieght titanium alloy skeleton. There are 8 turboprops which provide foward flight propulsion, 5 gas turbines powering 4 rotating and one stationary ducted fan provide additonal power(one fan is located in the tail the other 4 help make speedy liftoffs with thurst vectoring).The Hyperion class combines the capabilites of the AC-130 Spectre gunship, the KC-10/KC-130 Tankers, the E-2C Hawkeye, the Graf Zepplins of WWI, the B-52 bomber, the A-10 and the 747-400 ABL aircraft. It carries an impressive amount of cannons and machine guns and can saturate and orbit an area for many hours laying down cover fire. It also carries a large array of anti-tank, anti- aircraft anti-ship or cruise missles and many types of bombs. It can hold 20 fully equipped paratroopers or spec ops in the cargo bay. In lieu of troops, the cargo bay can hold a MOAB or Daisy Cutter or Hades fuel-air bomb. A massive radar is enclosed by the skin of the airship (the skin acts as a massive radome) It can tract multiple airborne targets. If if it tracks an ICBM, SCUD, or cruise missile, it has the ability to destroy it with its airborne laser(ABL). The ABL can also be used for defense, to destroy SAMs or AAMs. (It carries a large variety and quantiy of counter measures to keep it protected from enemy fire. If a missile does get by all the complex systems, the airframe can take a heavy hit since it is heavily armored with boron carbide plates. and should the skin of the airship be punctured, up to golf ball sized holes can be self-sealed. It can also refuel helicopters, bombers, fighters, even another Airship via 2 house and drouge systems and 1 flying boom system. Also all on board batteries and fuel-cell systems are supplementd by solar panels which recharce all systems, in-flight, saving on fuel.
Specifications
Crew: 4 flight crew, 16 weapons/AWACS operators, 1 boom operator, up to 20 paratroops.
Length: many feet
Power Plant: (8} Turboprops (5) Gas Turbines in vectorable/rotating ducts.
Service Celing: 30,000 feet,
Cruising Speed: 280mph
Maximum Speed: 320mph
Weapons
(8} 56mm rapid fire Cannons in 4 turrets
(2) 105mm Howitzers in 2 turrets
(4) 30mm 3 barrel cannons in 2 turrets
(1) ABL/COIL High Energy Laser in turret
(7) CIWS 20mm Phalanx turrets
(2) Cruise missiles up to the size of a SS-N-22
(1) 40mm MK-109 Grenade machine gun in nose turret
(1) 25mm 3 Barrel Gatling Cannon in nose turret
(2) 25mm Bushmaster MGs in 1 rear turret
(4) bomb bays that can carry a number of laser guided bombs, JDAMs, nuclear bombs, air to ground missiles,anti-ship missiles, nuclear or conventional depth charges, phoenix or amraam anti-air missiles
(48} AIM-9Z Sidewinder in 2 turret launchers
(8} FIM-92 Stinger in 4 swivel mounts
(6) Tomahawk Cruise Missiles
(6) Patriot PAC-3 or SA-102 Griffin modified SAMs in 2 launchers
(12) AGM-65 Mavericks
(24) Rockeye cluster bombs or regular bombs of simialr size, or (8} JDAM sized bombs on wing bomb racks
(4) AIM-120 AMRAAM
(12) AIM-132 ASRAAM
(4) AIM-54 Phoenix missle on 360 degree turret mount.
(2) ALMV/ASAT missiles
Counter Measures/Electronics
300 RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
40 MJU-53/B Infrared Decoy Flare
106 MJU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pod
2 AN/ALQ-178 ECM pods
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
Air Search Radome (Same as the one on the E-2C)
Price
$1.1 billion
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Trojan Class Rigid Aircraft Carrier
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The Trojan Class of Rigid Aircraft Carrier is a helium filled, rigid airship (not a blimp). The helium is contained in several self-sealing cells which are packed in a kevlar/polymer composite skin which is wrapped around a lightwieght titanium alloy skeleton. There are 2 turbofans which provide foward flight propulsion, one stationary gas turbine powered ducted fan to provide additonal power and to conserve fuel while cruising. The Trojan Class combines the capabilites of the KC-10 Tanker, the E-3 AWACS, and the US airborne aircraft carriers of World War 1. We have been able to hold 12 F/A-18 horents on bard and conduct the launching and recovery under many circumstances. A lightwieght magnetic catapault(powered by the solar panels or fuel cells) propeels the aircraft foward. Since during launch the air is passing over the wings of the aircraft to be launched at 300mph the catapault only acts as an ejector system to get the aircraft clear of the airship. The launching aircraft only needs to use 70% engine power to get clear of the airship's leading edge, and a blast deflector protects the planes left on the deck from being damaged. Landing is a bit tricky but it can be achived routinely with a little practice. The operation is much like in-flight refueling, the aircraft brings its self up to the back of the air ship and slowy accelrates/brakes until it is hovering over the landing area on the outer ramp. The arrestor hook(which has to be moved to the front) then captures a hook and the aircraft powers down, making contact with the deck. The hook winches the aircraft in further and the rear hatch is closed. There is a small sotrage area for 3-4 planes unde the main deck, the rest can be stored on top of the deck. There is enough room to re arm and refuel the aircraft for aother mission while they are all on deck. The pilots and crews can sleep, eat and relax in the comforts of the airliner style cabins and galley. Should a catostrophe occur the flight crew in the foward gondola would detach and it can hold 2 additonal passengers. As for the rest of the crew, a number of 2 man "escape pods" eject through the top of the airships skin and then parachute to saftey. These pods float and are protected from NBC attacks as well. These pods are used only if the aircraft can not be launched in time off the deck.(2 pods are downward firing in the plane storage area on the deck.) A massive radar is enclosed by the skin of the airship (the skin acts as a massive radome) It can track multiple airborne targets and act as athe control AWACS for a larger air force operation. If the radar detects incoming missiles, it carries a large variety and quantiy of counter measures to keep it protected from enemy fire. Should the skin of the airship be punctured, up to golf ball sized holes can be self-sealed. It can also also refuel bombers, fighters, or another Airship via its 2 hose and drouge systems and 1 flying boom system. Also all on board batteries and fuel-cell systems are supplemented by the solar panels which recharge all systems, in-flight, saving on fuel.
Specifications
Crew: 49 std 63max
[12 airship crew/weapons/AWACS operators, 1 boom operator, 12 pilots, 24 aircraft crew +provison for 14 more people ( if u want more crews for ure planes or are using 2 seat fighters)]
Length: many feet
Power Plant: (2) Turbofans (1) Gas Turbines powered ducted fan in tail
Range: 4,000 miles
Service Celing: 33,00 feet
Cruising Speed: 110mph (using one rear engine only)
Normal speed: 220mph
Maximum Speed: 300mph
Aircraft
(12) normal sized Fighters
or (14) A-4X sized aircraft.
Weapons
(2) AGM-65 Mavericks
(4) CIWS 30mm Phalanx turrets
(8} AIM-9Z Sidewinders(2 mounted on each CIWS)
(4) Patriot PAC-3 modified SAMs in (2) launchers
(12) AIM-120 AMRAAM or (4) Cruise missiles in foward ports
(6) AIM-54 Phoenix missle in (2) 360 degree turret mounts.
(2) ALMV/ASAT missiles
Counter Measures/Electronics
(320) RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
(210) JU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
(2) anti-IR missile laser pods
(2) AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pods
(2) AN/ALQ-178 ECM pods
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
Air Search Radome (Same as the one on the E-3)
Price
$1.99975 billion

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Spartan Fleet Defense Blimp
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The Spartan helium filled Blimp provides a stable airborne laser defense system, as well as an AWACS platform. It can track over 40 cruise missiles and has 4 lasers and 1 CIWS mounted underneath, meaning it can fire on 5 missiles at the same time. A small group of these can quickly clear the skies below it of what would normaly be deadly to your fleet. It also replaces the need to operate E-2Cs from carriers as this system provides the same coverage as the E-2. Of course this is a big target however its destruction would require that the airspace around your carrier group be penatrated first and any fool who leave this or even a E-2 up without air cover deserves to have it destroyed. However if fighters should make contact, there are 3 AIM-54 Phoenix missiles mouned on this in a 360 degree turret. Also should they get close enough there are 2 sidewinders for emergency use. And if all else fails, the 30mm vuclan gun and the lasers could eat up the enemy's aircraft if they get to close. Of course there is a full suite of ECM, jammers and a flare/chaff system. This blimp can be stored aboard a carrier cruiser or any large naval vessel on the helipad. It is boarded and inflated, and then launches to provie cover for its ship. An unmanned version is availble for $2million more. The unmanned version requires the blimp to remain tethered to the mothership for it to work reliably. This also elimanates the possiblity of signals being jammed and is much safer anyway.
Specifications
Crew: 9 std 25max
[2 pilots 7 weapons/AWACS operators, +provison for 16 people
Length: many feet
Power Plant: (3) Gas Turbine powered ducted fans in tail and on sides
Range: 5,000 miles
Service Celing: 30,000 feet
Cruising Speed: 100mph
Normal speedp 170mph
Maximum Speed: 220mph
Weapons
(4) High-Power COIL Airborne Laser turrets
(1) CIWS 30mm Phalanx turret
(2) AIM-9Z Sidewinders or (4) FIM-92 Stingers mounted on CIWS
(3) AIM-54 Phoenix missle in (1) 360 degree turret mounts.
Counter Measures/Electronics
(20) RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
(70) JU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
(2) anti-IR missile laser pods
(2) AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pods
(2) AN/ALQ-178 ECM pods
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
Air Search Radome (Same as the one on the E-2C)
Price
$280 million
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Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carrier
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The Trojan II Class Rigid Aircraft Carrier is a helium filled, rigid airship (not a blimp). The helium is contained in several self-sealing cells which are packed in a kevlar/polymer composite skin which is wrapped around a lightwieght foamed titanium alloy skeleton. There are 6 turbofans which provide foward flight propulsion, two stationary gas turbine powered ducted fan to provide additonal power and to conserve fuel while cruising. The Trojan II Class improves greatly on the old Trojan Class, which combined the capabilites of the KC-10 Tanker, the E-3 AWACS, and the US airborne aircraft carriers of World War 1. We have been able to hold 20 F-3 HellcatIIs on bard and conduct the launching and recovery under many circumstances. A lightwieght magnetic catapault(powered by the solar panels or fuel cells) propells the aircraft foward. Since during launch the air is passing over the wings of the aircraft to be launched at 300mph the catapault only acts as an ejector system to get the aircraft clear of the airship. The launching aircraft only needs to use 60% engine power to get clear of the airship's leading edge, and a blast deflector protects the planes left on the deck from being damaged. Landing is a bit tricky but it can be achived routinely with a little practice. The operation is much like in-flight refueling, the aircraft brings its self up to the back of the air ship and slowy accelrates/brakes until it is hovering over the landing area on the outer ramp. The arrestor hook(which has to be moved to the front) then captures a hook and the aircraft powers down, making contact with the deck. The hook winches the aircraft in further and the rear hatch is closed. There is a small sotrage area for 7-10 planes under the main deck and in the gondolas, the rest can be stored on top of the deck. There is enough room to re arm and refuel the aircraft for aother mission while they are all on deck. The pilots and crews can sleep, eat and relax in the comforts of the airliner style cabins and galley. Should a catostrophe occur the flight crew in the foward gondolas would detach and they can hold 2 additonal passengers. As for the rest of the crew, a number of 2 man "escape pods" eject through the top of the airships skin and then parachute to saftey. These pods float in water and are protected from NBC attacks as well. These pods are used only if the aircraft can not be launched in time off the deck.(2 pods are downward firing in the plane storage area on the deck.) Two massive radars are enclosed by the skin of the airship (the skin acts as a big radome) It can track multiple airborne targets and act as athe control AWACS for a larger air force operation. If the radar detects incoming missiles, it carries a large variety and quantiy of counter measures to keep it protected from enemy fire. Should the skin of the airship be punctured, up to golf ball sized holes can be self-sealed by a special gel. It can also also refuel bombers, fighters, or another Airship via its 2 hose and drouge systems and 2 flying boom system. Also all on board batteries and fuel-cell systems are supplemented by the solar panels which recharge all systems, in-flight, saving on fuel.
Specifications
Crew: 50 standard (69 max)
[1 pilot, 1 co-pilot, 12 airship crew/weapons/AWACS operators, 2 boom operators , 34 aircraft pilots/support crew
Length: very long, longer than you!
Power Plant: (2) Turbofans (2) Gas Turbine powered ducted fans in tail
Range: 4,000+ miles unrefueled
Service Celing: 33,000 feet
Cruising Speed: 112mph (using rear engines only)
Normal speed: 240mph
Maximum Safe Speed: 320mph
Maximum Speed: 500mph(not reccomended)
Aircraft:
(20) normal sized Fighters
or (24) A-4X sized aircraft.
Weapons
(6) CIWS 30mm Vulcan turrets
(12) AIM-9Z Sidewinders(2 mounted on each CIWS)
(6) SA-102 modified SAMs in (2) launchers
(1) THEL Anti-Missile Laser
(12) AIM-120 AMRAAM or (4) Cruise missiles in foward ports
(9) AIM-54 Phoenix missle in (3) 360 degree turret mounts.
(2) ALMV/ASAT missiles
Counter Measures/Electronics
(320) RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
(210) JU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
(2) anti-IR missile laser pods(these just blind IR sensors)
(2) AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pods
(2) AN/ALQ-178 ECM pods
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
(2)Air Search Radome (Same as the one on the E-3)
Price
$2.5 billion
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Mako Class Airship Bomber
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Introducing the Mako class, look its cool!! It has bombs!!!
Specifications
Crew: 7
Length: well, its long
Power Plant: (7) Turboprops (4 of which rotate) (1) Gas Turbine powered ducted fan
Range: 4,000+ miles unrefueled
Service Celing: 30,000 feet
Cruising Speed: 200mph
Maximum Safe Speed: 350mph
Weapons
(6) MOAB Fuel-AirExplosive Bombes in cartridge bomb rack -or-
(24) 1,000 pound JDAM
(2) 30mm Vulcan Guns ( in 2 radar guided opticaly tracked, crew serverd bubble turrets)
(6) SA-102 modified SAMs in (2) launchers
Counter Measures/Electronics
(280) RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
(200) JU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
(2) anti-IR missile laser pods(these just blind IR sensors)
(2) AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pods
(2) AN/ALQ-178 ECM pods
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
(1)Air Search Radome (Same as the one on the E-1 Diamond!)
Price
$290 million
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AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform
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Introducing an all new airborne platform which lofts 6 AIM-57 Super Phoenix Missiles, 12 AIM-9X Sidewinders, a huge ass radar and a FLIR system into the atmosphere, functional from 1,000 to 60,000 feet
The AAD system can be dropped out the back of a C-5 and it auto inflates.
If the ballon is puunctured by the enemy a parachute deploys and it floats safely to the ground so u can use it again.
The skin of the ballon is reflective/semi-clear so u cant see it too good from a distance :P plus you can link the radars together to form a massive AWACs style radar net. Best used in conjuction with ground based defenses.
Engines
Dual 40hp electric props for station keeping, r can be tethered
Altitude controled by gas valves/tanks
Electronics/CounterMeasures
M-56 Airborne Radar Array
120 RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
40 JU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
1 AN/ALQ-178 ECM pod
Price
$12 million

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Very impractical. Nice 3D pic, tho.

Very practical. Nice pics too.

Why thank you ;)
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no, really
Very impractical.

Tell it to LockheedMartin
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nice one man. i wanna buy one :) it would be great. also i need some guns and field traniers for my country :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

This is indeed a strange new weapons systems, similar to the AL-52 Dragon, the EB-52 Megafortress and the EB-1C Vampire that we offer for our 'Moderntech' customers. The Anime Ottaku Air Self Defence Forces (AOASDF) wishes to purchase one Hyperion-class Rigid Airship for tests, to see if we can integrate multiple weapon systems from the abovemention systems into one true, capabel weapons platform.

(OOC: Of course we normally use Gundams, but then again...*evil grin*)

The Director
HAWC, AOASDF

Order confirmed

Its nothing like a Megafortress, I use Megafortresses in additon to the Hyperions, but the Megafortress cant refuel other aircraft, act as an AWACS, deliver suppressing fire, preform close air support and alot more......

You know, you could make a really sweet heavy payload missle carrier blimp. I mean, imagine the amount it could carry, and wreak upon Ground/Planes depending on missile type.

Stevid would like one of those, they seem very impressive.

Money will be automatically wired apon confirmation.

The DRA would be very interested in these airships and wants to know how long it would take to construct two(2) Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers and how much effort it would take to addapt a standard fighter for airship duty?

If we like what we see, you can expect more orders.

Christeen DeMarcus,
Marshal of the Royal Dumpsterdanian Airforce.

All orders confirmed.

Just about any standard fighter could land on the Trojan II, only a small modification the the front landing gear is required, and the landing are quite soft. We suggest you incorprate some type of space saving measure such as folding wings however.

We can fill your order from stock, since we over produced slightly due to a very large order (we anticipated other large orders after that 1st big one, but they never came :( )


You know, you could make a really sweet heavy payload missle carrier blimp. I mean, imagine the amount it could carry, and wreak upon Ground/Planes depending on missile type.
Hmm, that sounds like a request......

We would like to know the approximate radar signature these air frames produce. We are particularly interested in using them on clandestine missions in enemy territory. With that in mind we wish to order the following:

(2) Hyperion Class ships @ 2.2 billion
(2) Trojan II Class ships @ 5 billion
(5) Spartan class defense ships @ 1.4 billion
(5) Mako class ships @ 1.45 billion

Total bill 10.05 billion wired upon confirmation of order.


Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Hmz, we'll pay cash and if we like them expect order for another two.

We would like to know the approximate radar signature these air frames produce. We are particularly interested in using them on clandestine missions in enemy territory. With that in mind we wish to order the following:

(2) Hyperion Class ships @ 2.2 billion
(2) Trojan II Class ships @ 5 billion
(5) Spartan class defense ships @ 1.4 billion
(5) Mako class ships @ 1.45 billion

Total bill 10.05 billion wired upon confirmation of order.


Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg
Order confirmed.


Well considering they each have a radar system rivaling that of most AWACs aircraft, the radar signutarue is extreme. The exception is the spartan, with its radar off it produces a very small targe, no bigger than a small fighter. The others have signatures comparble to 2 or 3 E-3 sentry AWACS bolted together.


NOTE: trojan 1 has been updated, new thing has been added.

All orders confirmed.

Just about any standard fighter could land on the Trojan II, only a small modification the the front landing gear is required, and the landing are quite soft. We suggest you incorprate some type of space saving measure such as folding wings however.

We can fill your order from stock, since we over produced slightly due to a very large order (we anticipated other large orders after that 1st big one, but they never came :( )



Hmm, that sounds like a request......

Im Future Tech, dont need em, but I was offering an idea...

oh

blah

you heard me, blah!

OOC: I might just be stupid, but how can a dirigible travel that fast? It's nigh on impossible surely.

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thats how

These are not available at my storefront yet, and when they become listed there is always a price markup so buy them now while they are still at introductory prices!!!!!!!

so bump

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg wishes to purchase the following item:

(400) Air Defense Platforms @ 4.8 billion.

Money wired upon confirmation of order.


J. Davis
Minister of Defense
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

order confirmed.

The Principality of Gintonpar admires this new enterprise and wishes to purchase:

200 Air Defense Platforms- $2.4 billion
4 Trojan II class aircraft carrying airships- $10Billion

Total Bill- $12.4Billion

Money will be automatically wired upon confirmation

Deepest Thanks
The Principality of Gintonpar

Order confirmed.

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg wishes to purchase another (400) Air Defense Platforms @ 4.8 billion.

Money wired upon confirmation of order.


J. Davis
Minister of Defense
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Truely useless. Especially that one with bombs. These things are horribly vulnerable.

He does have a good point, but you can repair this with Cluster Missiles, Chaff, and Flares. Not to mention descent fighter support... However, consider the Aircraft carrier, that would be a bit less vulnerable than the ones in the water, since it doesnt have to worry about undetectable subs..

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies would like to purchase 20 Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers. 50 Billion US dollars will be wired to you upon confirmation of order and an estimate of time until delivery is provided.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe, Colonial Department of Defense

He does have a good point, but you can repair this with Cluster Missiles, Chaff, and Flares. Not to mention descent fighter support... However, consider the Aircraft carrier, that would be a bit less vulnerable than the ones in the water, since it doesnt have to worry about undetectable subs..
It is actually possible to detect subs... unless you RP 1900 tech I suppose... the airships are vulnerable and this firepower can easily be delivered with a different platform. I dont really see the point...

Orders confirmed.




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It is actually possible to detect subs... unless you RP 1900 tech I suppose... the airships are vulnerable and this firepower can easily be delivered with a different platform. I dont really see the point...

A stable platform in 2004 - 2010 tech?

While these look cool, there are airships owned by postmodern nations that would eat them for lunch. :(

Ill take 2 trojain mk2 and 1 hyperion

While these look cool, there are airships owned by postmodern nations that would eat them for lunch. :(

Thats all well and good, this topic has been argued about in depth.
In two threads this time last year when i first introduced these and in one about a month ago when i brought them back,
please keep the comments out of this thread this is why i put the note to telegram comments in the bottom of the first post. :mad: :headbang:


Johnified States order confirmed.

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The Ottoman Government will like to buy one Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carrier for $2.5 billion.

The Soviet Airforce is quite interested in these airships. We would like 4 Trojan II class ships as soon as possible. $10 Billion will be wired upon delivery.

I could have sworn i confirmed these orders....


orders re-confirmed.

I'll buy 5 Trojan II


OOC You sure you dindn't mean to say the price was 2.5 trllion,Thos things are Gargantuan. :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/trojanII.jpg

Airships don't work in space. HA!

This picture notwithstanding, these look cool. Any chance getting prodrights on the actual inflatey bit?

Airships don't work in space. HA!


Space?

A stable platform in 2004 - 2010 tech?
Eg. a "bomber" or a "joint strike fighter" or a "missile" or an "artillery gun".

yes but this does the job of all of those in 1 platform, nice try



Orders confirmed, of course Falcania you can have prodrights for the usual fee -10%

PIcaRDMPCia would like to purchase three Hyperion class airships. Funds will be wired upon shipping. Please ship these airships as soon as possible, as we need them for our war efforts.
-Adam Adamo, Finance Minister

yes but this does the job of all of those in 1 platform, nice try
One slow, massive, easily-detectable and destructable floating bullseye.

Ah we will not ship them though, we will fly them in ;) ;) ;)

order confirmed.




One slow, massive, easily-detectable and destructable floating bullseye.
Exact same could be said for your Freedom Class Super Dreadnaught ^^
But, I don't go into your thread and point that out 100 times do I?

If you don't like it don't buy it. It's not as easy to destroy as you seem think if you bothered to read about it(I assume we are refering to the Hyperion)

Exact same could be said for your Freedom Class Super Dreadnaught ^^
But, I don't go into your thread and point that out 100 times do I?
Calling a ship with 50" of physical armour at the weakest point vulnerable is hardly accurate, but nehterless I am merely answering point made by people arguing with me.

call it -20% as we are business partners.

alright

I would wire money, but I have a distinct mistrust of the internet ( :p ). A messenger will be sent in a helicopter to an independent location. He has 1.25million US dollars in an attaché case. If he comes to harm, you will be held responsible.

Press Release from the People's Communist Party of Brazil

"In the coming conflict we may face, we are investing much money into our air force. We wish to purchase airship technology to expand our aeronautical technology.

We would like production rights, or at least schematics and blueprints for the specifics of airship technology. In addition, we have extracted enough money to make a large purchase for our airforce, which is staggeringly out of date.

We wish to purchase:

One Trojan-II Class - 2.5 billion
Two Trojan Class - 3.9995 billion
Three Hyperion Class - 3.3 billion
Six Spartan Class - 1.7 billion
Twenty-Four AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform - 0.268 Billion

Total Sum: 11.777.500.000 USD

Money will be wired upon confirmation."

Signed
O Ministro Principal Raul Lage Chavez
http://www.husmeando.com.ar/pinochet.jpg

The order is confirmed. Luckily we had some in storage and we can rush them to you in half the usual time.

The Incorporation would like to purchase 900 Airborne Air Defense platforms, for at total of $10,800,000,000. Money to be wired upon confirmation. Thank You!

Order confirmed.

The Sniper Country Armed Forces would like to purchase:

(2) Hyperion Class Rigid Airship [$2,200,000,000]
(6) Spartan Fleet Defense Blimp [$1,680,000,000]
(4) AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform [$48,000,000]

TOTAL: [$3,928,000,000]

Automatic Wiring of funds upon confirmation.

-CGN Mark Spitz
SCAF, Commanding

Unlike its dirigible ancestors, the Phoenix Dynamix ships are not lighter than air. Its 14 million cubic feet of hydrogen (or helium depending on model) hoist only two thirds of the craft's weight. The rigid and surprisingly aerodynamic body—driven by huge rearward propellers—generates enough additional lift to keep the behemoth and its payload aloft while cruising. During takeoff and landing, turbofan jet engines push the ship up or ease its descent.






adapted from a real life modern heavy lift airship article

OOC: I have a question. Does the air defense platform have a radar signature comperable to an E3 Sentry like most of the others, as you said before, or does it have a signiture more like a giant weather balloon?

Ha ha, my post from my wicked old nation is on this same page. Thats funny.

IC: The Allied States would like to purchase 5 Air Defense Platforms, for a total of 60 million. Money to be wired upon confirmation. Thank you!

And an EDIT: Can we discuss production rights, or is that out of the question? Because I have a feeling I want to purchase A LOT of these in the future, and I'll probally forget where this is.

It has a bit smaller signature, more like an e-2 hawkeye :)




order confirmed. prodrights price can be found at main store in my signature

tagged for later use

The Principality of Wilhelmsborough wishes to purchase four Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers.

This will cost us $10 Billion. We will pay you $5 Billion from our defense budget, and another $5 Billion from our Government Waste.

We look forward to your reply.

Signed,
General Salazar T. Sherman
Minister of Defense
Principality of Wilhelmsborough

What would you recomend for patroling airspace.Should we use just one or should they travel in fleets.

60 AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform for $720 million

Strategos of the Commonalitarianism

Orders confirmed.


What would you recomend for patroling airspace.Should we use just one or should they travel in fleets.
3 for every 200-1000 mile diameter of airspace

Thank you very much. Please deliver to the Yalta Air Force Base on the Crimean Peninsula.

The Flightopian Air Force would like the following:

100 Hyperion Class Rigid Airships

100 Trojan Class Rigid Aircraft Carriers

100 Spartan Fleet Defense Blimps

Total Price: $337 Billion.

Also, you can remove the RADAR from all the airships. We will add our own LADAR once they are delivered.

I would really like the missile package to include a couple of missiles capable of going extraatmospheric and destroying satellites.

I'd like 10 Trojan II's, and 100 AAD-1. Actually throw in a Mako as well for propaganda.

Orders confirmed, excpet you can rpelace the radar yourself, we wontremove it. LADAR which i assume is is some kind of LiDar is not as efficent as RADAR and to remove the radar units would be labor intensive.


I would really like the missile package to include a couple of missiles capable of going extraatmospheric and destroying satellites.
You can Purchase ALMV\ASAT missiles at the main store.

Can you be more specific about length than 'Many feet' or 'Longer than your mom'? Larger than the Hindenberg?

Any defenses against incendiary weapons?

They are all except the air dfense baloon, longer than the hidenburg.
Yes the self sealing comparments prevent a few well placed shots from incendiary bullets from inflaming the entire airship, and if you are so worried about it, at a sacrifice of some fuel and range, helium can be substituted for hydrogen.

Hail from Niall O'Neill
We wish to purchase the following to string up as a defense for our Capital City of New Dublin.

1 Hyperion (1.1 billion)
The Illium
2 Trojans (560 million)
The Kyee Notaire
The Castle Meath

total cost: 1.66 billion

Order confirmed.

I would Like to Purchase 1 Trojan II to be comissioned as the Owen Roe

total cost: 2.5 billion

confirmpt

The Principality would like to purchase 4 more Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers. This will cost $10 Billion. You will be paid with $5 Billion from the Defense Budget, and 5 Billion from Government Waste.

This boosts our total number of Trojan II's to eight.

We'd like three Trojan II's and eight AAD-1's for homeland defence. Oh, and a Mako for parades.

Anybody know where I can find some cheap fighter-bombers to go with them?

Orders confirmed. Fighters and Fighterbombers can be purcahsed at the main storefront located at http://phoenixdynamix.proboards38.com/index.cgi#shop

We need to purchase a few more of your Airships

7 Spartan Fleet Defense Fleet
The Beowolf
The Agni
The Boudica
The Epona
The Mile
The Mogh Ruith
The Bandrui

1,960,000,000

Thank you

Order confirmed.

Pheonix, I gladly comeback with requests for more, Our Combat Air Fleet is our nation's military pride

Therefore, we request 4 more Hyperion Class Airships

The Ard Ri Niall
The Niall Noiglach (Niall of the Nine Hostages)
The Harp
The Eochaid

and 1 Mako Bomber
The Ceili Rain

Total Cost: 4.69 billion

OOC: in case any where wondering, Ceili Rain means Heavenly Rain. Ironic aint it.

Order confirmed.

The Principality would like to order yet an additional four more Trojan II Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers. This, of course, will cost us $10 Billion. It will be paid completely out of our defense budget.

This boosts Wilhelmsborough's airship fleet to a grand total of 12!

*bump

Order confirmed.

The Principality would now like to purchase 36 Mako-Class Airships. This will cost us $10,440,000,000. It will be paid out of our defense budget.

*Will delete this after it's served it's purpose, in the meantime, apologies for the semi-spam nature of this post*

How can you afford all that, Wilhelmsborough?

Assuming you have to actually pay for the upkeep of your armies and pay for your armaments/soldiers' wages (considering the invasion of OA Boy Scouts, for instance) how can you afford to buy $10,440,000,000 worth of airships from a total defence budget of $10,457,711,977.40?

It's estimated that you can only spend around a third of your budget on new purchases. Just thought I'd draw your attention to this as it's a bit much for you to pounce upon someone new's blatant god-modding, if you do this...

I apologise if this comes across confrontational by the way, you may just be unaware of this.

OOC:

very long, longer than you!


I doubt it.

well, its long

Why yes it is!

This is a great post, I loved those length comments, real originality shining through!

That's why there's Government Waste (money that the government doesn't spend). ;)

Government waste, is the money mis-spent by the government in inefficient purchases and expenditure. It is not money availible to be spent.

How fortunate it is then, that I have just recieved a large sum of money from the Theocracy of Sol Giuldor. As you may know, before it was a theocracy, it was an empire. One day, they decided to expell all the Wiccan people. The Principality went in there with some C-17s and evacuated some 25,000 people.

Soon afterwards the Emperor died. There was a power struggle, and a benevolant Theocracy took its place. Recently, they thanked me for taking in these refugees, and paid me a large sum of money, numbering in the billions, as compensation for taking care of the Wiccans.

It is that money which I will use to pay for my expenditures against OA Boy Scouts. There are also other countries that wish to help in the recovery so that will make a smaller dent in terms of debt. Therefore, there is enough money left over to make the purchase of 36 Mako-Class Airships (sorry to worry you there, Phoenix Dynamix).

Have a great day.

Hello, we wish to purchase 8 more Hyperions, my son is raving about them, and says that he would love to have some more to use in his Combat Air Fleet.

so here is the order
The William Wallace
The Andrew de Moray
The Robert Bruce
The Sir John Graham
The Sir James Douglass
The Troy
The Londinium
The Halstat

8.8 billion is on it's way

Orders confirmed.

Some say imitation is the highest form of flattery.

I say its the biggest INSULT and I say GRRRRRRRRRR :upyours:

Some say imitation is the highest form of flattery.

I say its the biggest INSULT and I say GRRRRRRRRRR :upyours:


Who are you taking about?

The other guy's sucks, yours are twice the quality for half the price.

Pythogria wishes to purchase 2 Hyperion Class Rigid Airships for 2.2 Billion.

Hail Pheonix, my Speir Marascals (Sky Marshalls) have complained that their Combat Air Fleet is growing to small, as such, we wish to purchase 28 more Hyperions

Total Cost: 30.8 billion

Order confirmed.











Pythogria This user is on your Ignore List.

The Incorperation would like to purchase production rights for the Airborne Defense Platforms, as well as 100 of said item. This should come to about $6,000,000,000. Money to be wired upon confirmation, Thank you!

Order confirmed.

As the War appears that it might escalate, we require the purchase of 29 more Trojan II's

72.5 shall be transferred to you upon verification

Order confirmed.

We at the Principality of Wilhelmsborough are now about to make our biggest purchase yet. We would like to order:

12 Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carriers
60 Hyperion Class Rigid Airships.

The total cost for all of this is $96 Billion. This is well within our military budget.

We would like to purchase 200 AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform,25 Spartan Fleet Defense Blimps,and 10 Hyperion Class Rigid Airship.We need these airships shipped as soon as possible and we are willing to pay more to have it done.If the airships work well in combat we will be purchasing more.

200 AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform
25 Spartan Fleet Defense Blimps
10 Hyperion Class Rigid Airship
=twenty billion four hundred million.The money will be wired as soon as the order is confirmed.We are putting aside an extra 100 million to pay for a speedy delivery.

Orders confirmed, rush order part 1 of 5 shipped.

((Whoa whoa whoa...are these considered MT or PMT? If MT, I might be interested in the defense platforms...

Or maybe I've been playing PMT all along O_o))

(OOC: A few things.

-A 105mm (!) howitzer's recoil would tear the bag open.

-Mounting CIWC guns on an airship is a VERY bad idea, since CIWC guns are quite limited in range, and any vibrations from an exploding missile can tear the bag open.

-Aircraft would have a fair bit of trouble "landing" on a aircraft due to the immense turbulence. Add to the fact that even a small miss and the airship could be sent spiraling to the ground a popped bag, and there's reason enough to keep to sea-based carriers.

-Lasers?! You most likely cannot fit a high powered laser on a airship without adding significant weight.

-Using a tanker system would have the same difficulties as having a aircraft launching system.

-Solar panels are great on a nice, sunny day. Not at night or in bad weather. Try not to sustain damage either, solar can't be armored or they will be fairly well impaired.

-The only way an airship would be effective is if it could stay at extreme altitudes (i.e 100,000 feet) and therefore be safe from most enemy AAMs and SAMs. Unfourtunatly, most of your airships have ceilings of 30 to 60 thousand feet, well within the service ceiling of most modern air superiority fighters and interceptors.)

(OOC: A few things.

-A 105mm (!) howitzer's recoil would tear the bag open.

-Mounting CIWC guns on an airship is a VERY bad idea, since CIWC guns are quite limited in range, and any vibrations from an exploding missile can tear the bag open.

-Aircraft would have a fair bit of trouble "landing" on a aircraft due to the immense turbulence. Add to the fact that even a small miss and the airship could be sent spiraling to the ground a popped bag, and there's reason enough to keep to sea-based carriers.

-Lasers?! You most likely cannot fit a high powered laser on a airship without adding significant weight.

-Using a tanker system would have the same difficulties as having a aircraft launching system.

-Solar panels are great on a nice, sunny day. Not at night or in bad weather. Try not to sustain damage either, solar can't be armored or they will be fairly well impaired.

-The only way an airship would be effective is if it could stay at extreme altitudes (i.e 100,000 feet) and therefore be safe from most enemy AAMs and SAMs. Unfourtunatly, most of your airships have ceilings of 30 to 60 thousand feet, well within the service ceiling of most modern air superiority fighters and interceptors.)
thanks for your opinion but i can see you have nothing to say of any wieght as you are wrong in so many ways seeing how aircraft have landed on airships in actual fact and lasers have been lofted by blimps already in real life. and the howitzer is not in the bag its in the airframe... and there is no bag, a kevalar round structure maybe filled with ridgid spheres... and its spelled CIWS

((Whoa whoa whoa...are these considered MT or PMT? If MT, I might be interested in the defense platforms...

Or maybe I've been playing PMT all along O_o))
2012

The Principality would like to purchase 160 Spartan Airships.

This will cost us $44,800,000,000. This is well within our military budget.

We will pay over the next 5 years for:
3 Hyperion Class Rigid Airship
5 Trojan Class Rigid Aircraft Carrier
20 Spartan Fleet Defense Blimp
1 Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carrier
6 Mako Class Airship Bomber
40 AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platform

We will pay in installments every year for the next five years, including this one. Would it however be possible to deliver these ASAP?

Orders confirmed.


Rushing an order on a 5 year payment plan will incurr a 10% increase in price.

Agreed. The money is en route.

The Principality would like to purchase 32 Trojan Class Rigid Aircraft Carriers

This will cost us $63,992,000,000. This is within our defense budget.

First of all, use periods, it's damn near impossible to make out what you're saying. Secondly, the last time airships were even considered as carriers was in the case of the Akron and Markon, back in the 1920s. These tests used a complex "trapeze" mechanism to capture a tiny Sparrowhawk fighter, which was in itself a tiny, parasitic recon plane which was in no shape or form able to combat any modern fighter of the time. Note that these testbeds carried no hanger space or visible means of getting their aircraft pilots out of their aircraft.

Unfourtunatly, you abandon all logic and reason and place a whole tarmac and landing deck on the thing, not to mention hanger space in the gondolas! And if that wasn't enough, it can travel at a speed of up to 300 miles per hour, which is amazing in and of itself. At this speed, any aircraft on deck would be swept away, possibly either completely off the thing or into one of the bags. Even more mind boggling is the fact that you are selling it for 2.5 billion, two and a half times the price of a Nimitz while carrying only 25% of the fighter compliment.

And now, we get to the problem of weight. Ok, a radome or two, perhaps a few pods of missiles, those can be carried without much trouble. Unfourtunatly, you carry dozens of missiles, twenty planes, enough fuel for 4,000 miles AND mid-air refueling, two radomes, booms, a whole damn carrier deck, hanger space, and a catapult system while maintaining a top speed of three-hundred fifty miles an hour.

WTF?!

First of all, use periods, it's damn near impossible to make out what you're saying. Secondly, the last time airships were even considered as carriers was in the case of the Akron and Markon, back in the 1920s. These tests used a complex "trapeze" mechanism to capture a tiny Sparrowhawk fighter, which was in itself a tiny, parasitic recon plane which was in no shape or form able to combat any modern fighter of the time. Note that these testbeds carried no hanger space or visible means of getting their aircraft pilots out of their aircraft.

Unfourtunatly, you abandon all logic and reason and place a whole tarmac and landing deck on the thing, not to mention hanger space in the gondolas! And if that wasn't enough, it can travel at a speed of up to 300 miles per hour, which is amazing in and of itself. At this speed, any aircraft on deck would be swept away, possibly either completely off the thing or into one of the bags. Even more mind boggling is the fact that you are selling it for 2.5 billion, two and a half times the price of a Nimitz while carrying only 25% of the fighter compliment.

And now, we get to the problem of weight. Ok, a radome or two, perhaps a few pods of missiles, those can be carried without much trouble. Unfourtunatly, you carry dozens of missiles, twenty planes, enough fuel for 4,000 miles AND mid-air refueling, two radomes, booms, a whole damn carrier deck, hanger space, and a catapult system while maintaining a top speed of three-hundred fifty miles an hour.

WTF?!
shut up, get out dont like it ignore it like i have added you to my ignore list




Order confirmed.

Ignore me? Why, because you're airships are wank?

Velkya
This message is hidden because Velkya is on your ignore list.

Velkya does have a point there. Mind you, there are some nice (made by Raysia) PMT carrier airships ouit there, but Raysia stopped making them shortly before he quit NS over these very same concerns.

Velkya does have a point there. Mind you, there are some nice (made by Raysia) PMT carrier airships ouit there, but Raysia stopped making them shortly before he quit NS over these very same concerns.
Raysia based his stuff on mine

I would like to purchase

10 Spartan Fleet Defense Blimps

300 AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platforms

11 Hyperion Class Rigid Airships

For a total of eighteen billion five hundred million dollars.We will pay an extra five hundred million for you to send all the airships you have already made to our colony in Arterus.What you don't have made we would like if possible to have it in less than 1 NS week.

Order Confirmed.

We have a v-shaped 100 meter long clear plastic airship powered by clear PVC panels, using carbon propellers. It is practically radar invisble and carries 200-300 lb instrument package to 60,000 feet. I am trying to figure out decent stats for this. It would cost about $1.5 million, cheap and would be a substitute for a spy sat. Would love a pic if there is one.

I am asking for a pic of it. Would buy quite a few from you if you did.

are you asking me to make a pic of it?

My nation would like to purchase 1,000 AAD-1 airborne defence platforms. The 12 billion dollars will be wired upon delivery

Order confirmed.

TO: The Phoenix Milita Airship division
FROM: Fleet Admiral Carl Putzkanner

The Dominion Airship fleet is adding more airships to it. Well, we are adding twenty-five more airships fleets to it.

500 Hyperion class rigid airships = $ 550,000,000,000
500 Trojan class rigid aircraft carriers = $ 1,000,000,000,000
500 Trojan II class rigid airborne aircraft carriers = $ 1,250,000,000,000
1000 Mako class airship bombers = $ 290,000,000,000
1000 Spartan fleet defense blimps = $ 280,000,000,000

Total: $ 3,370,000,000,000

Money will be wired.

Order confirmed.

Money wired.

The Armed Republic of Warring Minorities would like to purchase the following:

1 x Trojan II Class Rigid Airborne Aircraft Carrier $2.5billion
2 x Hyperion Class Rigid Airship $2.2billion
20 x Spartan Fleet Defense Blimp $5.6billion

Total: $10.3billion

OOC: very nice designs, i'm going to convert some old destroyers into Blimp carriers now.

Order confirmed.

"For the love of god, Indrik, you're an engineer - you should realize how impractical all of this is!"

"Damn the impracticality! We have more money than we know what to do with, we might as well buy some fancy airships."

"We'll be the laughing stock of Hyper Nordica, and couldn't this money be better spent somewhere else?"

"Like hell. We're going to have airships in our military, and they're going to work, if I have to rewrite the laws of physics!"

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Gwazzaria has placed an order for:

One (1) Trojan II
Five (5) Mako
Fourteen (14) AAD-1

Total Cost: 4,118,000,000 USD

Order Confirmed (+1% :headbang: tax)

we wish to procure the following for my newest Branch of the military; Airship Corps.

50 Hyperion class rigid airships = 55 billion
50 Trojan II class rigid airborne aircraft carriers = 125 billion
20 Mako class airship bombers = 29 billion
100 Spartan fleet defense blimps = 28 billion

total 237 billion

The Principality of Wilhelmsborough would like to purchase:

15 Trojan II's $37,500,000,000
40 Trojan I's $79,990,000,000
45 Makos $13,050,000,000
75 Hyperions $82,500,000,000
200 Spartans $56,000,000,000

This will cost us a total of $269,040,000,000. This is well within our defense budget.

Orders confirmed.

The Principality would like to purchase:

40 Trojan II's - $100,000,000,000
80 Trojan I's - $159,980,000,000
120 Makos - $34,800,000,000

This will cost us a total of $294,780,000,000. This is within our defense budget.

Order confirmed.

We would like to place an order for 100 mako class bombers, and one trojan II class airship. the 31.5 billion dollars will be sent upon confirmation.

Confirmation sent.

The Principality of Wilhelmsborough would like to purchase:

200 Hyperions $220,000,000,000
800 Spartans $224,000,000,000

This will cost us $444,000,000,000. This is not within our defense budget, but we'll just take the necessary remaining money from our Law and Order budget. They certainly won't miss it. ;)

The nation of Exponent would like to purchase 50 hyperion airships, but has a request. How much will it cost us if you were to add on some kind of aerosol to be used to disperse a chemical weapon? We also need 100 more makos

Order confirmed. Wilhelmsborough since it may take a while to build we coul use a payment plan.

Order confirmed. Wilhelmsborough since it may take a while to build we coul use a payment plan.

Ok, how about $440,000,000,000 now, and $4,000,000,000 next time?

Sure

Ok, it's been a year (read: day). Here's your $4,000,000,000. Is my order confirmed?

Yes.





Order Confirmed.

The Principality of Wilhelmsborough would like to purchase:

30 Trojan II's
80 Trojan I's
90 Mako's
150 Hyperions
400 Spartans

This will cost us $538,080,000,000. This is not within our defense budget, but we can pay you $532,080,000,000 now, and the remaining $6,000,000,000 next year. Do we have a deal?

Order Confirmed. It will take at least a year to fill the order anyway.

--SECRET IC--
To: The Phoenix Milita
From: Mr. White, foreign affairs officer
Subject: Airship Order
Message: Our Dominion is currently interested in your air defense airship designs, and would like to place an order for some of our own, to use in antional defense. We would like;

550,000x AAD-1 Airborne Air Defense Platforms: 6,600,000,000,000 Universal Standard Dollars

This sum is payable immidiatly. We hope you will confirm and process our order as soon as possible, thank you.

Good day,
Mr. White

I have though up a rough design for an 'airship killer'

Class Airship
length 1200 feet
width 250 feet(one side of the main part to the other.
gondala lenght 600 feet
gondala width 50 feet
gondala height 30 feet
Armaments
1 26 inch ECT
50 35 mm PD system( one of yours i don't have any good ones)
Propulsion
12 large turboprop engines

Numbers, do you want us to build that for you?

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--SECRET IC--
To: Mr. White, foreign affairs officer
From: Mr. Farickson, Vice President discreet sales division, Phoenix Dynamix INC
Subject: RE: Airship Order
Message: Order confirmed, expect delivery in 8 stages starting in 72 hours and ending 10 months from this date.
-Your friends at Phoenix Dynamix

Yes we would like 25 to be built for this please save stats as we may order more in the future.

we have more designs that we could have opened to the public. just ask ikf you ever want a real battleblip.

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