NationStates Jolt Archive

“No, no, we’ll shoulder the expense. We can’t afford to wait around while new power blocks form, and the alternative is to let the colonials initiate the whole thing... it’ll be forever remembered as a North American affair if we don’t host the first assembly. We’ll make the announcement and then worry about the details, what?”
“Yes, Prime Minister.”

United Kingdom to host major summit, Quinntonians expected

Edinburgh’s streets became a little bit cleaner, its alleyways resonated with the sound of booted footfalls and roads clattered the report of passing armour as The British Federation made good the city’s security. Hotels and venues were being prepared to accept delegates and PM Bull’s government tried to organise what some civil servants were preliminarily calling the Edinburgh Accords.

The Scottish capital certainly expected to host the Quinntonians, and had room for more, with invites extended to the Hudecians and John Bull awaiting consultation with his Quinntonian opposites before expanding the scope still further. The likes of Roycelandia and United Elias were prominent in the PM’s consideration.
London couldn’t sit by any longer while authoritarian monarchs ran rampant on the continent from Kiev to Paris and alternate trade blocs in revolutionary parts of Africa and Asia threatened to curtail the long awaited economic recovery. It seemed past time to learn where the UK and its concerns stood in the modern world, and few suspected that their nation was alone in its current circumstance in a changing world.

The Estanlandian ambassador asks if he could come in an observer capacity.
King Wingert I of The Village of farrah.

The Quinntonian Prime Minister himself, Jesse Obed, has decided that this is important enough to attend, seeing as how most of the others with the authority to speak for Quinntonia or Quinntonian Dra-pol in this matter are in Hudecia right now talking about the Bonstock question.
So, boarding his private plane, Jesus-1 and escorted by 100 F-22 Raptors, he takes flight leaving Quinntonian airspace over the Atlantic, with a series of fighters trading in as they go along, being refueled by Carriers along the way.
WWJD
Amen.

His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX as well wishes to send a delegation, if not allowed to participate then at least there to observe the 'accords'.

M. de Vergennes
Minister of State to His Most Chrisitan Majesty Louis XX

OOC-First of all, cloes RP, second of all, the monarchies here aren't sure that they'de be able to come.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

The Quinntonian government opposes the full inclusion of Elkazor and The estenlands, but would be willing to allow them to observe the open sessions, in order to quell their fears that this alliance will be dangerous to them in any way.
WWJD
Amen.

(OOC: Oh, it's meant for the Modern World RPing group. I suppose we're not old enough as a community for that fairly generic tag to be identifiable, yet. It's an insular earth-based community using realistic populations and so forth, blah blah. Sorry it wasn't clearer.)

The arrival in British skies of a gigantic colonial air force was afforded some disrespectful commentary by a good number of natives, and PM Bull, elected on a platform that was in no small part of self-sufficient independence made sure to order up a few flights of shiny new Typhoons as, "some sort of honour guard or something, all right?" as he put it. They weren't carrying full war loads or anything of the sort, but the PM was keen to make sure that the even news didn't introduce the Quinntonians with a mountain of footage depicting scores of their aircraft blotting out the sun while the RAF sat quietly and timidly on the ground. The Quinntonian head of government himself would receive a warmer reception on the ground, and would be put-up in luxury accommodation and serenaded with a piper below his window, which surely he would love!

Following the Parisian expression of interest, the government began a campaign of harassment against the Palace, suggesting that it would be awfully nice if a significant royal were to make a state visit across the channel in the near future. This was because the BID Party had no intention of inviting the French so soon after their counter-democratic coup, which critics would be sure to later call a significant mistake... but oh well, that was representative democracy for you.

Kiev received still less attention, as nobody really cared what they thought. It was actually deemed best to distance the UK from the Estenlands for the sake of potentially more important Russian relations. Moscow had oil, probably more lasting approachability, and strategic frontiers against bigger threats and trouble spots in the east.

Though the Quinntonian government is quite happy to have rulers in Europe calling themselves things like, Most Christian Majesty, and Defender of the Faith, the nations not on the guestlist should be anyone withour a democratically elected government.
This goes double for The Estenlands, as the Quinntonian governemnt tries to show support for LRR by condemning any invitation to the so-called Tsar, seeing him as a military threat.
Who else is coming?


WWJD
Amen.

Roycelandia has indicated that His Imperial Majesty Emperor Royce I would be delighted to attend the Conference. The Sunderland Flying Boat with His Majesty on board is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, with his Majesty continuing onto Roycelandian East Africa at the conference's conclusion to go on Safari.

IF Roycleandia, a colonial monarchy, is allowed to attend, The Estenlands demands that both they and Elkazor be allowed to attend as well.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

As Edinburgh greeted domestic government representatives and the Quinntonians and Roycelandians, London came to a last minute decision. PM Bull, ever ambitious, was keen to press his agenda and to force Britain back to the top. He announced his intention to address, “The East European issue” and invited the Estenlands to send representation to a subsidiary round of talks in the Scottish capital. The agenda was set in advance- should the west send peacekeepers to Lavrageria in order to secure the transition to democracy and the stabilisation of the republic?
Bull hadn’t wanted the Estenlanders anywhere near the conference, but they were not going away and stood in a position to exert pressure on Moscow and all of its oil and investment potential- they couldn’t be ignored. The PM hoped that forcing western involvement in the relatively uninteresting Lavragerian situation would distract Kiev, and it was a good way to begin making a point about British strength and intent.

Bull declared the issue an emergency so as to have it addressed quickly with as little ceremony as possible.

The PM opened with an uninspiring round of chaff about a struggling people’s knife-edge existence, looming peril, great potential, and so forth, and opened the floor to input.

(OOC: I decided not to ramble on about the stage, I mean, if you want to know about Edinburgh, go there, or log on to a tourist info site. As TBF has only recently broken from “RL” history, relatively little has changed as yet.)

((OOC-Please call me France from now on, not Elkazor))

His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX wishes to have his delegation given a place to speak at this conference. It is only right...although PM Bull may treat our righteous government with contempt, His Most Christian Majesty remains cordial enough to continue relations with those across the channel. If His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX is snubbed by not being allowed for his envoy to speak, it will be considered a serious insult.

M. de Vergennes
Minister of State to His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX

OCC: I'm going to start Rping as India from now on, m'kay?

IC:

Calcutta also asks to send a delegation to visit their colonial oppressorsI MEANbuddies.

An economically powerful nation, North India ships tons of consumer goods off to the British Isles, manufactured in state-of-the-art factories, modeled after Japanese car plants. Ever since sweatshops were shut down, the nation's standard of living has risen dramatically. Each day, factories churn out products for the global export market, ranging from cars to refrigerator magnets.

Good relations with Calcutta will probably lead to favorable trade in the region, provided the close neighbor and associate Beth Gellert approves.

Also, there is still a relationship with the British Isles from the colonial days. North India can thank Britain for much of its military hardware, and for much of its trade relations. Also, the diplomatic corps has not been getting out as much as it would like to, and a trip to england would certainly provide a respite from the boredom of sitting around in offices all day.

Any North Indian delegation would want to play an active role in the proceedings of the conference, since, although a common border is not shared with The Estenlands, the French monarchy especially worries the government, fearing a resurgance of the old colonialism, and the nature of the regimes also causes concern.

The Quinntonian government is unsure as to how to proceed, with this recent development. Prime Minister Jesse Obed has decided that Quinntonia will base who is acceptable or not for this new alliance on human rights records. In that case, while Roycelandia has an excellent record, and it is too soon to tell for France, The Estenlands has a poor record in this regard.
WWJD
Amen.

IC-King Wingert was completely offended by the allegations of wrongdoing when it came to Lavrageria and has decided to boycott the talks. The Ambassador to France, Count Falkenstien will accompany the French delegation as an advisor to the French crown on behalf of The Estenlands.
May it also be known that any foreign involvement in Lavrageria will be seen as an act of war against the Tsar as we consider Lavrageria to be a vassal state and province of the Estenlands.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

OCC: I don't know where else to put this, so here:

IC: Any LRR-Indian delegates to the conference will probably also discuss the possibility of purchasing up to 70 Hawk LIFT trainers, as well as four Broadsword class frigates in favor of russian designs. The state armories are also interested in the Rapier and Starstreak SAM systems.

Hudecian diplomats will be in attendance.

Chief Executive Chen of the Republic of Xiang Gang would like to send an observer, Vice Secretary for Foreign Affairs Miss Qiu Aiai.

Louis XX was coming in from a fine hunt, and about to recieve his lever (the ceremony in which the King was undressed of his hunting apparel and dressed in his court regalia) when a page entered the room. The page, aware of this atrocious breach of etiquette, kneeled.

"Sire, the Protestant West has refused to allow your Kingdom a place at the table of accordance. They claim you have not given proof of your benignity as a Kingdom."

The King, his face currently unpowdered, flushed red. "By God! I have had enough of these puce's (fleas) who are no doubt secretly trying to subvert my reign with sophistic republicans! You there!" the King pointed to one of his Gentlemen of the Chamber "go to Vergennes. Remove our embassy from London at once! Instruct those atheist socialist lackeys that my Kingdom will no longer have relations with them, until I recieve a formal obsequience from their Prime Minister, Merd de Bull!"

He thought for a moment, and a Gentlemen was dressing his leg in a stocking and the Page ran from the room.

He turned to another Gentleman. "Tell the Marquis de Launay, Governer of the Bastille, to publicly break that sow the former President of the Fifth Republic! We will show the world the Republic has been destroyed forever!"
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A crowd gathered in front of the massive steel doors of the Bastille. In the Square of Justice a massive wheel had been set up. Strapped to it was Phillipe Egalite, the last President of the Fifth Republic, he had been dragged from exile due to the pretentious moves of the Protestant West. A Priest stood over him, hearing his last confession and absolving him of his worldly sins. Then, to the beating of the drums, each one of his limbs was cracked in half by the wheel. At last, the neck was cracked, and he was dead. So was the Republic, and now a signal had been shown to the world once and for all--France was a Kingdom, by the will of God, and will always remain such as God succours the monarchs strength.

PM Bull was clearly keen to make progress on key security issues, evidently assuming that agreements over these important matters would set the groundwork for the establishment of a multi-national organisation, rather than the other way around.
The meetings were divided into seperate halls so as to allow various experts to address their own fields of concern efficiently.

Conference Hall A
In the initial gathering, the hosts invited delegats from Quinntonia, Roycelandia, LRR, and Hudecia to join with the Prime Minister in a general security meeting.

Bull sought wider condemnation of the counter-democratic coup in France as one item of importance, and spoke of the situation in Lavrageria as an emergency requiring immediate consideration.

"The response from the dictator in the Estenlands" he said, "in which he declares the Lavragerian Republic a vassel of his feudal regime, is a clear indication of hostile intent against a people striving for democracy. This can be said to be so because the Estenlands has no recent or historical claim to the territory called Lavrageria nor direct ties to its people.

"Previously the concern of this government had been for the civil unrest within Lavrageria itself, which seemed to threaten the move to democracy, and for the threat that it may have posed to surrounding nations. Now, however, the Estenlands seems to have taken it upon herself to up the stakes, something which seems to be done for no other purpose than to threaten democracy and freedom.

"I can not help but see this as a challenge that must be met if we as civilised and free nations are to have a place in the world. British forces are on notice for speedy deployment in a potential security operation, and initial plans are in hand to carry out same. No orders have been given from my office at the present time..." He went on.

Conference Hall B
Here, representatives of government and industry hosted diplomats from LRR in discussing arms export deals. The government had concluded that if Starstreak were not bought by Mumbai, then similar systems would be bought from Beth Gellert, so it only made sense to take whatever contract could be had.
Rapier was already widely exported, and so London was prepared to offer the FSC system to LRR.

Conference Hall C
In the third hall, places sat empty, last minute security checks under way. Place markers indicated places for the UK, Quinntonia, and Hudecia. Other places existed, but were yet unfurnished by such markers.

The counter-democracy movements draw especially heavy condemnation from LRR, a nation which had always fought against such regimes in France and The Estenlands. France especially is threatened quite brazenly, with diplomats saying something to the effect of "Well, if France was on our border, there would be no Louis XX left," a somewhat odd insult, but it is supposed to get the point across, namely "screw you."

The government also pledges to send aid should England get into conflict with France or the Estenlands, and promises to fight counter-democratic movements in Asia. Of course, it goes without saying that if a case of genocide should occur anywhere in the world LRR will jump on it quicker than anything.

In Conference Hall B, the diplomats like the English Starstreak and Rapier proposals, and the purchase of about (say, 600 Starstreaks, 250 Rapiers) is finalized. Of course, on the other end some frigates or submarines will probably be bought from Beth Gellert to keep relations good on both sides.

Conference Hall A

His Imperial Majesty Emperor Royce I, resplendent in his finest Loud Shirt (the one with the palm trees on it) listened for a moment as Foreign Minister Jeff Lebowski spoke into his ear, before he flicked through some notes.

"I have to say that the Counter-Democratic Coup en France doesn't really seem to be condemnation-worthy in and of itself. After all, Winston Churchill himself once said that the best argument against democracy is a five-minute talk with the average voter."

His Majesty paused. "However, the problem avec les Francais in this particular case, is the brutal repression of dissent and the murder of the former Prime Minister, albeit by state-sanctioned means."

"Roycelandia is a Democratic Nation"- His Majesty elbowed Lebowski in the ribs when he coughed- "So we must ask for more particulars on L'affaire Francais. Did the people as a whole tire of Democracy? Was La Revolution perpetrated by a small number of people, intending to oppress the masses? And most importantly, is there any way we can restore democracy and make some money out of this in the process?"

His Majesty drank from a glass of Apple Juice.

"As for the Estenlands- well, this aggression will not stand! The Imperial Guard will be placed on deployment alert, and we will be joining in a condemnation of their blatant militarism and warmongering."

Taking to his feet Pierre Levesque, the grandson of the Quebec nationalist Rene Levesque, urged caution and restraint.

"We cannot respond in a 'knee-jerk' manner towards the actions of any nation. There must first be a reasoning and a plan laid for our reactions. If we are to respond, let it be in a unified manner, lest our singular condemnations fall on deaf ears."

"For the Estenlands, who has the military power to oust the government? Who has the political will to do so? For France, are we willing to plunge the world into a war with such a nation? If unified behind their government, the French people will be a frightful foe."

OOC-I just want to remind everyone that thus far, The Estenlands has done nothing but build up its border defenses and issue proclamations. In fact, all of your respective news agencies have been running the well-documneted footage of a blatant invasion of 3,000 Lavragerian troops on horseback, attacking civilians, and destroying infrastructure before being forced back into the errent nation. And, as for a historical claim, Tsra Wingert sees himself as a continuance of the Russian Tsars, and the treu government in exile of Russia, thus, Beloruss is considered a province of the historical empire, among others. I know democracies are quick to forget stuff like unprovoked attacks going on when condemning tyrants, but just FYI.

IC-King Wingert I has issued an open invitation to delagations of the attending nations to the marriage of his eldest daughter, Jillesepone Hawkwin-Wingert to the Dauphin of France, eldest son of Louis XX, solidifieing their alliance in blood.

King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Prime Minister Jesse Obed does not think tha action worthy of condemnation, espcially since support of two national rulers, one Orthodox Christian and the other Roman Catholic, openly professing their Christian faith is seen as brave and laudable by the voters at home, even as they condemn the inhumane actions perpetrated by the kings. So, like most politicians in these matters, they choose to neither condemn or really say anything about the matter.
Behind closed doors, he explains to his allies, the British and LRR that while Quinntonia would support a declaration of war by a FORMAL allaince body that may arise out of this, logistically Quinntonia is in no position to offer any more than token support should it come to conflict, with the massive troops commitments in Quinntonian Dra-pol and the former nation of Bonstock, with over 2/3 of the entire Atlantic Fleet sailing or preparing to sail for Bonstock.

He stresses that he wishes to formalise a military allaince, and would like that to be the main topic of conversation. Once that body is put together, and only once that body is put together, will a framework exist to use against tyrants like this. (Of course, being careful to not remind everyone that Quinntonia is a theocracy, and not a true democracy or republic, but close.

WWJD
Amen.

Conference Hall A

Prime Minister Bull -possbily the second loudest man in the room, in terms of attire at least- let out a dismissive waffling sound and puffed out his chest -as he preferred to call his gut-, almost bursting the buttons on his Union Flag waistcoat.

"War? My office represents the democratic will of a civilised people to whom war does not appeal. The issue in Eastern Europe is one of freedom and jingoism of foreign source, not our own.

"I do not intend to see this congregation disperse having achieved nothing but the birthing of a war. I call only for the respected leaders of the free world to recognise threats where they lurk and to unite in determination to face them!

"The evidence that we have indicates strife in independent Lavrageria as that once barbaric nation strives for stability and democracy, strife that perhaps should have drawn our attention rather sooner. It did not, and the consequence was the failure of its containment, as manifest in the barbarian assault across the border into the Estenlands.

"While this strife persists so do its original dangers, but now they are magnified by threats from the counter-democratic government of the slighted Estenlands, which, far from helping, intends to violently crush the democratic movement.

"How this can be considered agreeable, I'm afraid, escapes me. I hope to find here civilised nations under democratic leaderships with character enough to form a treaty by which to respond to such issues of strife and direct threat.

"As to France, this is an issue that almost defies belief or reasoned reaction. One of the cornerstones of democratic theory, the French Republic, has fallen. This is a matter that could not have been ignored- with a greater than trillion dollar economy, France was important to all of our nations, especially to we, her cross-channel neighbours.

"But we see irrational responses from her new government- cutting ties with London over what has been called an insult, even though Paris knows full well that our democratic government could hardly fail to grimmace at the coup. This is shockingly reckless behaviour such as will not only hurt our economies, but will completely doom the French [economy].

"Taken quite by surprise, I admit my own government's unpreparedness to respond on the issue. The ball is clearly in the court of his majesty."

His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX is not in the habit of counting among his friends nations which shelter open movements seeking to de-throne him. As to the economics issue, His Majesty has a cornicopia of new markets which, through their earnest desire to enhance world trade, have saught his blessing. Even now preparations are underway for a Grand Alliance, which will secure the future of French Industry and Commerciality for centuries to come. Conversely, it is London that ought to tender an apology to His Majesty if they wish to see cordial relations blossom. The Western allies, it seems to me, are quite simply afraid of loosing their capitalistic tyranny which for so long they have held over the world. Now, with the Defender of the Faith again reinstated, this grotesque tyranny attempts to lampoon him. His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX shall have none of it. He has always thought the British his friends, if not denotativley then certainly conotativley. However, such insults and critiques can only damage such relations. Therefore, His Most Christian Majesty requests an apology from Britain, in reguards to their hinting of his government as illegal. Indeed, His Majesty even extends to Her Highness Queen Elizabeth an invitation to the grand wedding which will commence presently.

Therefore, in his magnificent benevolence, His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX (although having removed his Ambassidor from London) now invites the UK to send an Ambassidor to the Court of Versailles, in hopes of fixing the relations that PM Bull by his vulgarities has damaged. But, if there are any more threats against either His Majesty or His Government (such as have been espoused by Roycelandia and LRR in the accords) all diplomatic relations will be frozen for an indefinite period of time.

VIVAT REX
Minister of State to His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX

Conference Hall A

"What do you mean the ball is in my court?" asked HIM Royce I. Jeff Lebowski leant over and whispered something in his ear.

"Oh, you meant Monsieur Grenouille , er, King Louis the Roman Numeralled... Yes, I agree, the ball is in his court."

"Jeff, why didn't you tell me that other rulers were entitled His Majesty?" His Majesty whispered to his Foreign Minister.

"I thought you already knew... besides, he's not The His Majesty, he's A His Majesty." Jeff replied, thinking quickly.

"That's alright then. Uh-oh, someone's talking again...."

HIM Royce I listened to PM Bull continue speaking, before a suitable opening prepared itself.

"Assembled delegates, I am not advocating War against anyone. Except the Stupid, who must be ruthlessly eliminated wherever they lurk. I... oh crap, did I just say that out loud? Forget I said that. Anyway, Roycelandia is not endorsing war against anyone. We want a mutually beneficial solution, whereby there is peace and security, and we all get fabulously wealthy in the process. By Us, I mean our respective Nations, but of course we'll get even richer in the process by association. After all, It's Good To Be The King. Anyway, we'd like a diplomatic solution if possible."

His Majesty sat down, realising he might actually have to at least prepare some notes beforehand next time, instead of speaking off the cuff at these sort of things...

OOC:how does one join your region? If anyone remembers the nation Canan, we are one in the same and would like to join in with some of The Commonwealth (still around?) nations that are in this region.

EDIT: Sorry if this disrupts your role play.

The Quinntonian Prime Minister suggests that Roycelandia, The British Federation, Hudecia, and Quinntonia sign some kind of treaty, maybe an Organisation of North Atlantic nations couldd all sign this Treaty. Yeah,

North
Atlantic
Treaty
Organisation

has a nice ring to it.

Quinntonia hesitates to ask LRR as their position as an Asian power and their complete cooperation with Communist powers in India make my government very nervous. I suggest that we sign this pact immediately, and with it form a framework with which we could safe-gaurd freedom in our part of the world. Then, and only then will Quinntonia even talk about any issues that this alliance should tackle in Europe or elsewhere.

This alliance would be a military and economic alliance that would answer to eachother in all major security matters, and, if any of the nations in the alliance are attcked without cause, the others will rush to their defense.

That is the basics of what we are here for.
I request that we stay the negotiations for two days while we all attend the marriage in Versialles, to try and build a relationship with these continental powers.
WWJD
Amen.

While it is certainly true that LRR diplomats had made some manner of threats against the French and Ukranians, nothing amounted to a declaration of war. The tone of LRR policy concerning the aforementioned nations is one of 'watch out.'

Of course, not being involved in an organization meant to safegaurd the freedoms of what are deemed sane nations will be a major blow to LRR self-esteem. Hopefully, Hindustan would not become a victim of its own policy of friendship towards both the Quinntonian/Western and Bedgellen/East bloc.

After the Estenlandian wedding, Prime Minister Jesse Obed comes back to finish negotiations, though he says that he will be unable to attend for very much longer. He pleads for the other national leaders to sign into being a framework that will be used to build our alliance.
WWJD
Amen.

(I had intended for NATO-type discussions to go on in the yet empty conference hall, so as not to discuss the exclusion of other states while their diplomats are sat right there, so if nobody minds, I'll just assume that it was brought-up there, and that one of the mentioned spare places was offered to the Roycelandians.)

Conference Hall C

PM Bull had left the first hall, with the UK's representation in the hands of Deputy PM Alice Meadows, and was rambling away in the company of delegates from Quinntonia, Hudecia, and Roycelandia.

It turned out that he rather agreed with his Quinntonian opposite, and was keen to boost trans-Atlantic trade espicially in light of developments in France, which still threatened to hit British trade in the long term.

"This government" Bull rumbled, "proposes that the terms of our treaty be several fold.

"Members should be bound to pursue settlement by peaceful means of international disputes in which they may become involved. They should actively develop ties within the organisation by protecting free institutions in member states and encouraging economic co-operation between each and all.

"Members of the proposed organisation should consult together in the event of perceived threat to the territorial or political integrity and freedom of any given member state. As suggested by my esteemed friend from Quinntonia, I say that mutual armed response to such threats, should they be confirmed by the membership, ought to be an obligation of all member states, and that to this end the membership should by mutual aid and co-operation seek to protect and improve their individual and collective ability to resist armed threats.

"To clarify the scope of said defensive obligations, the treaty must define such as an armed attack against one of them or their forces in North America or Europe."

Bull's specification of the theatre of obligation was intended to free Britain (and Roycelandia) from obligation to respond in the event of attack on heavily deployed Quinntonian and possibly Hudecian forces in Asia, and Britain, Hudecia, and Quinntonia from obligation to join Roycelandian misadventures in Africa.

I object to the thread title "A congregation of western democracies". I am part of hte Modern World, and I am not western (but i am a democracy).

Ehh whatever... its not that important. But if you guys are interesetd in a full blown RP, then i have one:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7707224&posted=1#post7707224

this is a thread on a jewel heist htat im having... if you're interested, join in. well, its actually an auction, but there are buyers AND thieves, so thats that.

I'm also planning an older sort of RP (historical times, circa 1700, 1800s) where someone finds a treasure map and then everyone races to get the treasure. If you're interested in either, let me know.

Hudecia's representatives much agreed with the principles of the NATO, after all, Hudecia had little interest in bringing more hands into the asian theatre, and and no interest in trying to be a peacemaker in Africa.

"Let us work quickly bring this treaty into effect, delaying it will only aid our enemies," Levesque declared. "However, I pray that we will never need to put the military aspect of the treaty into use."

OOC: Are we invited? Not being a democracy or western...

East Islandia would like to send several business executives and military officers to Conference Hall B to discuss export sales of military technology, primarily infantry individual combat systems, surplus SSX1 Main Battle Tanks, two catamaran cruisers, and several hundred fully armored HMMVWs of Islandian design and origin.

Hudecia is most interested in East Islandias military hardware. CEO of Hudecia Industries Michael MacNally would like to discuss terms.

Conference Hall C

The Roycelandian Delegate (Sir Malcolm Leghorne) was pleased with the geographical restrictions to NATO, with one minor catch:

"We note that the proposed Defence Area does not include the Caribbean, ie, Roycelandia. Whilst you could argue the Caribbean is North America, we see it as a separate Geographical Area, and would ask for it's inclusion in the NATO Defence Geographic Area."

The Quinntonian government wholeheartedly agrees that Africa and the former Bonstockian territory be excluded from the terms of the treaty.

However, it does ask that either Quinntonian Dra-pol, the city of Hamhung be included, as it is not a colony, but rather a territory, much on the fast track to statehood. This should be included just as much as Hawaii should be.

WWJD
Amen.

OOC
here's a link to Agrigento and my store. Lately, I have begun to doubt the practicality of bullpup assault weapons, primarily due to controversial field reports (especially int he area of the Enfield L85/SA80 assault rifle and the Chinese PLA Type 95 assault weapon) so I switched to conventional weapons, primarily manufactured by Heckler and Koch. After all, it does seem easier.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=287887

However, the primary products that Islandia wishes to sell are infantry combat systems (a new and improved variant of body armor, digitized individual systems) and up-armored vehicles. For now, armored vehicles will be discussed, and if modern world nations like the specs of these vehicles, more will be mentioned.

The American war in Iraq has proven that multipurpose vehicles, primarily Humvees and trucks, are vulnerable to insurgent attack, simply restating a principle that Islandian strategists have known for decades (we practice this sort of warfare).

Therefore, Erdana Combat Systems of has offered to fully refit any vehicles at three quarters of the regular price to Modern World nations (only the friendly ones).


Upgraded Humvees will contain:

-five ply bulletproof polycarbonate/transparent plexiglass windows
-air conditioning
-armored undersides, to be lined with fibersteel (spidersteel, carbon fiber, and kevlar plating).
-Kevlar/Spidersteel plates to be bolted onto doors
-fibersteel roof with turret accessories

Cost $100,000 USD per vehicle (excluding engine upgrade and air conditioning)


Fully Armored Humvees, unlike the American fully armored versions, only increase the vehicle's weight by about 500 kilograms (American HMMVWs are increased by about 1000kg, or roughly 2000 lbs). Fully Armored HMMVWs will contain:
-three layers of Spidersteel/Kevlar plating bolted onto vehicle doors
-windows six ply bulletproof polycarbonate/transparent fiberglass, stronger than the glass on American-armored Humvees (five ply)
-armored undersides, to be lined with fibersteel (spidersteel, carbon fiber, and kevlar plating).
-air conditioning
-fibersteel roof with turret accessories
-Space for GPS and radios
-fibersteel engine casing
-overlapping ceramic interior panels
-Upgraded engine to carry the increased armor

cost-$230,000 USD

Custom orders also available.

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SX1 MBT
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Crew: 3
Weight: 45 tons
Engine: 2,000 hp liquid cooled diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
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Radio: Receive/transmit, telephone, laser communications
Dimension: Length: 11.00 m; Height: 2.00 m; Width: 3.40 m
Ground Pressure: N/A
Cruising Range: 650 km, or 700 km with external tanks
Speed: Max road 65 km/h; max off-road 55 km/h; average cross-country 50 km/h; max swim N/A
Fording Depths: 7 m with snorkel
Main Gun: Indigenous 125 mm smoothbore (120mm also available)
Rate of Fire: 8 rounds/min
Elevation/Depression: N/A
Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun; one 12.7 mm air-defence machine gun, one ATS or HJ8 antitank missile
Fire Control: Laser rangefinder input, onboard computer, wind sensor, and control panel
Construction: Four layer Aishin Climate Control System, ERA, and Three Layer Composite Anti-Penetration Armor (kevlar, spidersteel)
800,000 USD

WZY531S9 IFV
Based on a modified Chinese built YW531 chassis, the WZH531S9 is a fast, armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle excelling at limited amphibious warfare, arctic, and jungle warfare, with an amazing ability to climb over nearly anything and a resistance to even the toughest of missiles.

http://globalsecurity.org/military/.../type-89_fv.jpg

The WZH531S9 (Marine designation M531-1) can ford amphibiously for a prolonged distance (about 3.5 km) and even farther, with a special propulsion and flotation device attached (about 5 km), can climb a 60-80 percent slope, up a 70 degree incline, and over a 4 meter trench.

Armament- one 30mm cannon, two 12.7mm machine guns, or one 12.7mm machine gun and some sort of guided projectile (ATS, HJ8, SAMs, etc)
Combat Weight 12,600 kg
Max Road Speed 75 km/h
Power to Weight Ratio 30 hp/ton
Length 5.4 m
Height 2.59 m
Crew 2
Troops 13
Hull Thickness 30mm
Road Range 500 km
Max Speed Water: 15 km/hr
Paved Road: 92 km/hr
Fording Amphibious
Vertical Obstacle .8 m
Construction: 4 Layer Aishin Climate Control System, fibersteel construction, 3 Layer Composite Anti-Penetration Armor (kevlar, spidersteel)
Price- 800,000 USD
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Comes also in tank destroyer variant, armed with HJ8, ATS missiles, or missiles of the buyers choice.
http://utenti.lycos.it/drno/news/HJ8_Land.jpg

sry about the massive post, but the armoring is one of the best services that my nation has to offer, with its research into advanced materials. If I'm allowed to further flood the thread with some more of my infantry systems, then I will do so.

Does anybody mind?

(Well, I don't imagine that distant nations protest officially when NATO meets in reality, so yeah, this is just a North Atlantic thing. As for the arms and that, well, they don't have much to do with NATO, so I think you'd be best served by taking it somewhere else, if you don't mind.)

Conference Hall C

PM Bull quickly stated that he had intended the Roycelandian Caribbean to be counted part of North America, and wouldn't look to exclude a potential member state's home soil from protection.

The Korean issue, however, was rather less easily taken. Public opinion in the UK was not strongly in favour of Quinntonian actions in Korea. That wasn't to say that the majority approved of the Choson People's Republic or that the government looked well upon its alleged human rights offences, but a great many voters saw the Drapoel as the underdogs facing the sort of imperialism that Britain had done away with decades ago.

That was part of the reason for Bull wanting to brush Africa under the carpet.

As many people in the UK saw it, the current problems in Korea were of foreign making. Nobody could remember Korea invading the west, but it was reasonably widely understood that Korea used to be one nation, and that it was broken-up by Japanese imperialism. That of the same empire which Britain had fought during the war*, and which hardly had a good reputation. This didn't mean that everyone was in favour of re-unification under the CPRD, but it certainly didn't help them to sympathise with the Quinntonian decision to pick another part of the peninsula off while Korea was down. It didn't really seem like cricket.

Apart from that, the government didn't relish the prospect of being drawn into a war that had once already, "gone nuclear".

Bull tried to compromise by the inclusion of Hawaii as if part of North America (if nothing else, its flag gave the right signals, eh?), but stuck on the Dra-pol issue.


*I know that history isn't at all the same here, but I assume that WWII is just too big an issue with too many nations to assume that nothing happened. No doubt it was utterly different, but, you know... Well, Roycelandia wouldn't have any Spitfires if Britain never saw the need to create them in the first place :)

Conference Room C

Sir Malcolm was much pleased with the assurance that Roycelandian Caribbean would be included in the Defence Sphere.

Privately, he (and his superiors) were also glad that Africa was being left out of the sphere, as Roycelandia really didn't want European "Do-gooders" deciding to get involved in Roycelandia's "Colonial Adventures", as His Majesty privately referred to them. Especially becuase people these days tended to take the side of the Natives and not the Roycelandians, which often ended up causing more problems...

OOC: Yes, I think we should probably bypass the WWII thing for a while- as you say, it's safe to assume that everyone was involved, and in different capacities, but quite what went on could be a thread in itself that would take RL months to resolve. Suffice it to say, Roycelandia's Spitfires came from somewhere, and the most likely explanation is they were introduced around the same time they were in the UK, and it's quite probable Roycelandian pilots fought on the British side in the Battle of Britain...

I think that a quick history lesson about Quinntonian involvement in Korea is in order.

The Dra-pol nation had been a hermit nation, with complete isolation since, I think WWII, whereas ROK had a democratic government and open society, heavily involved in foreign trade.

Then, a group of Quinntonian naval units on manoeuvres in the area made contact with a shipload of refugees from an unknown nation, they were starving and needed medical supplies, so we took on their sick and then briefly lost contact with their ship. When we tracked it to its last known location, we found wreckage off the little known North Korean nation, we didn't even know its name at that point.

We went ashore, not being able to make contact with anyone on shore, concerned about the refugees. (We later found out that the Dra-poel had sunk the ship, killing 300 refugees with no provocation)

We put to shore with a small squad of marines, and began to track some movement which turned out to be a small girl that has come to known as contact one, and she opened fire, thinking we were demons from the mists of the sea. You see, the Dra-poel government had told its people that the world had ended during WWII and that anyone that wasn't Dra-poel was demons that were coming to take their souls. So, when the girl opened fire, not realising all of this, the marines opened fire and moved on a neighbouring village. They gave the villagers food and gifts, and were promptly surrounded by Banat, who moved in and tried to capture them, and another fire-fight broke out.

During this time, more units had been moved in and their stories began to be very similar, wherever they went, they were attacked without cause by primitive, fearful, starving peasants. With many men pinned down, the officer in charge decided to force the government into talking to us, and though it was a bad decision, that it how it went down. Several attack helicopters and about a company of marines were dropped into the capital and forced their way into the directory building. Unfortunately, the Dra-poel had not advanced technologically beyond the fifties, so they responded to these attacks with their now infamous "human wave" attacks and when the marines responded with their automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades, etc., the body count was very high on their side.

When the smoke cleared and this horrible misunderstanding was made clear, the Quinntonian government swooped in and worked out an agreement whereby they would spend billions helping the Dra-poel government modernise and begin to actually care for its people.

We did, we sent in contractors that built roads, bridges, limited railways and other infrastructure, as well as schools in hundreds upon hundreds of villages. We taught them how to use modern farming techniques and bought them new, modern equipment, and we built massive irrigation systems and drilled thousands of wells and water purification centers. We had almost 1,000,000 aid workers there at the height, and we moved mountains, building mining complexes, farming cooperatives, elevators for grain and other crops, and distributing education and medical care.

In the deal we worked out, which was signed and ratified by the old regime, of which we still have the original documents and videotape and pictures of the signing ceremony with their old head of state at the time, Kurosian I, we got a 200 year lease on the city of Hamhung and the fifty mile radius around it. We felt we had to do that, and station military units there, in order that the obviously corrupt government would not try and use our generosity to build weapons to further enslave their people.

We proceeded to turn that city into a major industrial hub. We built factories, an international class harbour and airport, and a city that was modern in every way, the people of that nation flocked to work in our factories, though was not allowed to pay them, their quality of life was as good as any Quinntonian city, and their wages were sent directly to the Directorate. The city blossomed in only a few years from about 50,000 to almost 7,000,000 people, with more arriving every day. WE build state-of the art hospitals to use for serious cases that the thousands of medical centers couldn't handle and we began to build the now famous University of Dra-pol. We also offered to educate three thousand of their best and brightest, of their choice in our finest universities, like Harvard, Yale and Princeton absolutely free of charge.

The number of workers started to drop off, as their main building projects were done and they had other worked elsewhere. It dropped to about 250,000 in Dra-pol, as well as the Quinntonians living in Hamhung. The workers in Korea also employed almost 5 times that number in their aid work. Unbeknownst to us, they were using our generosity to train their people not to help, but to fight. They also used our offer to move hundreds of terrorists into Quinntonia, one of whom made the assassination attempt that put Prime Minister Jesse Obed into his wheelchair.

Overnight, massive military groups surrounded Hamhung, and without warning attacked, the city nearly fell on the first wave, luckily, they held on long enough to regroup and offer a real defence.

The workers in Dra-pol tried to flee, but over 100,000 were arrested, tortured into confessions and then publicly executed. We have literally thousands of hours of video of the systematic slaughter of these martyrs.

Also, the Dra-pol were using their human wave attacks, making the losses to THIER OWN PEOPLE incredible. At this point they started using weapons of mass destruction, killing civilian and soldier, Dra-poel and Quinntonian without any regard. Over 100,000 civilians in the city died in the first three days of fighting.

The city defenders, helped by hundreds of thousands of Dra-pol who were loyal to Quinntonia, held out until reinforcements came. This battle was only the beginning, many others were fought, with major defences, the most concentrated defensive fortifications in the world, The Westgaard Line was built, and was tested. Over 1,000,000 Quinntonian troops have died by Dra-poel hands. We asked the people of Hamhung if they would leave, some did, but many did not. This was their home, all they asked is that we defend them, as they remembered life under the old regime, and were afraid. I am sad to say that almost 500,000 civilians have died in Hamhung, and still the people ask only that we defend them. They consider themselves Quinntonian citizens. We would leave if we could, but we have a moral obligation to defend those who cannot defend themselves. The cost on the Dra-pol side has been much higher, with their mindless wave attacks; they have lost 3 to our every one. They have also repeatedly invaded South Korea, our friend and ally, a free and democratic nation. Seoul is now in Dra-poel hands!!!

Tell me, what should Quinntonia do? You all sit their with your moral superiority, and use words like imperialism, and claim to know our situation better, well tell me, should we leave the 6,000,000 people that are left in Hamhung to the wolves. Or would you have the moxy of the Quinntonian people to shed torrents of their own blood to see that even they have the right to freedom. Perhaps it is only us misguided Christians, but I would like to think that all of mankind has the responsibility to defend those who cannot defend themselves. That is why we are engaged in Bonstock, and that is why we consider every foot of Quinntonian Dra-pol Quinntonian soil, we have paid for it many times over, with rivers of blood.

So, now do you say that you "Don't agree with Quinntonian involvement in Korea?" Neither so we! Tell us how to get out and let the people there live free.

WWJD
Amen

M. de Vergennes, Minister of State to His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX, appeared on a French State television (of course, all media outlets in France now were technically the sole property of Louis XX, save a few which he sold to favored nobles...and mistresses) special report, in full court attire, a concerned look upon his face.

"It seems so ignoble that the western powers marginalize Ireland" he said in elegant French, though the translator on the BBC would somewhat muddle it. "While they speak of NATO, to defend their interests, who considers the people of Ireland? His Most Christian Majesty, Louis XX, Defender of the Faith and succourer of His Holiness John Paul III, wishes to point out the hypocratic sentiment of these Accords."

The anchor, a noble and propigandist of the first degree, seemed to have tears in his eyes as he nodded with the Minister of State. Vergennes continued "How can a nation such as Quintonnia, based in religious principles, and the great land of Hudecia, a cornerstone of world tolerance, condone the brutal repression of Catholic Ireland at the hands of the British? Not to even mention the rampant colonialism of Roycelandia? Clearly, Prime Minister Bull is playing his own agenda here. His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX appeals to the Prime Ministers of Quintonnia and Hudecia, on the admonishments of humanity, to consider the foundation of such and alliance of defence with Britain while there is in fact a micro-war occuring this very minute in Belfast! Mr. Bull, give Ireland its due rights!"

With that M. de Vergennes said adieu, and the anchor went on to the next story. It was a report that His Majesties tour of Estenlands was procedding excellently, as the screen showed the King and Tsar hunting togther, and clapping each other on the back with grins.

M. de Mesmer, the anchor, went on to say how His Majesty would soon be visiting Marimaia, then the commercials came on.

Hindustani delegates to the conference promise support for NATO, although given the nation's weak logistical capability and the fact that almost all of it is comitted in Indonesia, any support would probably have to be mostly economic and diplomatic in nature. But with Europe and North America already as major trading parteners, military technology will probably be the only new point of exchange between the two regions. It is also no secret that the most important facet of the LRRN sits on shore, in the form of truck-mounted AS. 117 launchers.

LRR diplomats have been instructed to inquire into purchases of the Aster 30 missile, a weapon which the state armories have expressed quite an interest in. Production liscences would be most desirable, but the Aster 30 itself would probably replace the less-capable systems currently installed on LRRN capital fighting ships.

In The news....

In other news, David Byrne's two-day 'marathon concert' in Mumbai, started to raise money for AIDS prevention in Africa, has got underway. A crowd of over 200,000 occupies the capital parade grounds, with millions more watching the concert on television. The world-famous Sitar player Ravi Shankar and the Prime Minister of LRR, Ajit Singh, will make appearances on stage in the course of the concert, as will former Talking Heads drummer Chris Frantz, bassist Tina Weymouth, and guitarist/keyboard player Jerry Harrison. Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Eric Clapton, U2, Page & Plant, and the popular Reggae band The Sasquatch will also play at the venue.


Promptly at seven o'clock PM, over the cheering of thousands of fans, a man dressed in a plain white business suit walks out onto stage with an acoustic guitar and tape player.

"I have a tape I'd like to play for you..."

OOC: Just something I should mention- Roycelandia will refer to cities and countries etc by their "old" (ie Colonial Era) Names, even if they've since changed, unless

Thus, Mumbai will be referred to as Bombay, St. Petersburg and Volgograd will be referred to Leningrad and Stalingrad respectively, and Myanmar is still Burma as far as we're concerned...

'Privatley' funded commercials, showing M. de Vergennes appearence on French State Television the other day, and his subsequent appraisal of the Irish situation, began to play on Dublin television stations.

Where is everyone on the idea of an alliance encompassing Quinntonia, Roycelandia, Hudecia, and The British Federation?

My government would like to get something down soon.
WWJD
Amen.

Obviously, Roycelandia's in...

OK, so far we have Roycelandia and Quinntonia officially ready for alliance, both militarily and econimically.
Who else?
WWJD
Amen.

Prime Minister Bull is not shy about expressing the independent nature of his vision for the British economy, and seems unlikely to sign up to any restrictive economic alliance that may meddle with his occasionally protectionist policies. Britain certainly needed the trade that might be found in North America, but, for the same reasons, the BID government felt vulnerable to possible exploitation by larger economies that might limit Britain's recovery for their own advantage.

Militarily, however, London was largely on side, except that it was still not keen to become involved in Korea. Bull was of course still an advocate of the broad guidelines that he had put forward for the North Atlantic Treaty suggested by the Quinntonians. The UK was prepared to join an organisation based on such principles as the described matters of defence and very loosely defined social and economic co-operation.

How about two seperate treaty organisations?

1.The first would entail a full military alliance. This would include all territories that are currently being claimed as naturalised by the member nations. This would not include territorial colonies, protectorates or teritories, but only provinces and states of said member nation.


This would give the member nations involved one vote on a security counil. This security council would discuss and vote on matters pertaining to joint military efforts included but not limited to, peacekeeping in non-member nations; joint defense of an invaded or attacked member nation; foriegn deployment of pre-emptive defensive forces.



Any ties would be decided by a single vote by an elected chairman, an ambassador that is elected by security board member nations to Chair the Security Council, his only power would be to cast a vote in the event of a tie.


This alliance would be called the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and would be built on the principle of mutual self-defense.


2.The Economic Alliance would be called the World Economic Council (WEC) and would be a platform to stimulate POSITIVE trade within member nations, this allinace could theoretically be broadened to include an indefinate amount of nations. It would offer preffered status to member nations, and member nations would have to approve new members unanimously.

As part of this economic alliance, each member nation will provide 1 billion dollars a year to use for investments by the WEC as investment fund for underdeveloped economies, ie.Third World, etc. The interest and returns from thsi fund will be used for charitable means in said underdeveloped regions. This is fairly optomistic, because it is thought that a profit will most likely not be made by this fund in these economies.

WWJD
Amen.

Bull is generally agreeable to the latest direction of potential agreements, but -of course- has his own revisions to propose.

The PM is unsure about the election of the proposed Security Council's Chair, suggesting that there are not really enough members as yet for it to make sense. A rotational Chairmanship, he suggests, may be best.

The WEC appears largely workable, but Bull is unsure about the aid portion, wondering if, for one, it is unfair to the organisation's smaller nations in expecting the same donation of them as of the larger nations. While he initially rumbled of his opinion that nations could deal with aid individually, adivisors soon suggested that a minor collaborative effort such as this may allow him to use the organisation as cover to meddle with on-going Roycelandian imperialism in Africa, and the PM has since mysteriously shifted his support behind the 3rd world investment idea.

With negotiations not even complete on the basics of a potential treaty, Britain's electorate and indeed the government and opposition back benchers are pressuring the BID Party leadership on a European security issue. The eastern half of Europe, says the BBC, is facing easily its biggest crisis since the collapse of Yugoslavia, and it is doubtful if even that disaster matched the carnage seen in Lavrageria in little more than a single day.

With BBC and independent television stations beaming back pictures of indiscriminate missile and bomb attacks on civilian targets, old people are remembering the Blitz while others talk of Mergui.

Shadow Defence Minister Marion Jackson has been especially vocal on foreign security since the BID government recalled all British troops from foreign soil two years ago. The Labour minister has repeatedly said that her government would have acted to temper the blade of the continent's dictators, pointing out that, "Lavrageria has been repeatedly accused of a first strike, which has been accepted, apparently, even by our friends across the Atlantic*, but the evidence we have indicates that this was not an act carried out by the forces of the new Republic, but by Galakatarn..." she said, struggling with the pronunciation, "...barbarian or rebel forces, which are in truth, we are told, enemies of the Republic.
"How can we accept this obviously flawed excuse for... invasion?"

It remains to be seen for how long Bull can possibly delay the need to address the Lavragerian war, in which all groups in British politics are struggling to justify the assault as anything other than imperialism by a dictator frightened by a democratic movement on his border. It does not help that some none-government ministers are pointing out that Lavrageria has little economic or strategic significance, suggesting that it is only for these things that the government will act, where the people tend to concern over humanitarian and democratic issues.

*Labour politicans since the collapse of New Labour following the BID victory have felt increasingly free to return to their socialist roots and to criticise the government's renewed ties with Quinntonia.

His Imperial Majesty Emperor Royce I has indicated he's in favour of a World Economic Council. He's also willing to take his chances on PM Bull meddling in Roycelandia's African "Adventures", pointing out "It works both ways, you know..." In other words, Roycelandia might start getting involved in European affairs as well....

As to the situation in Lavrageria, the Roycelandian Government has indicated that they won't be getting involved unless formally requested to do so by their NATO allies.

OOC: Basically because the thread is up to 7 pages already and it's a bit late for me to get involved unless someone specifically requests help...

So, just to be clear, in principle at least, TBF, Roycelandia and Quinntonia are on board for both WEC and NATO, can someone ask Hudecia if they are still interested?
I also agree that we could use a rotating chair instead. If this is OK, let's get a yay or nay from Hudecia and get this thing signed, then we can start a NATO thread to use for discussions between allies.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: sorry.. been a little busy these last few weeks.. don't ask how someone can be busy on winter vacation, but I've managed to do so...

IC:

Hudecia is in full favour for both the WEC and NATO.

1.The first would entail a full military alliance. This would include all territories that are currently being claimed as naturalised by the member nations. This would not include territorial colonies, protectorates or teritories, but only provinces and states of said member nation.


This would give the member nations involved one vote on a security counil. This security council would discuss and vote on matters pertaining to joint military efforts included but not limited to, peacekeeping in non-member nations; joint defense of an invaded or attacked member nation; foriegn deployment of pre-emptive defensive forces.



Any ties would be decided by a single vote by a chairman, an ambassador that is appointed on a two-year rotating basis to Chair the Security Council, his only power would be to cast a vote in the event of a tie.


This alliance would be called the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and would be built on the principle of mutual self-defense.

-NATO-
Quinntonia
Roycelandia
Hudecia
The British Federation

2.The Economic Alliance would be called the World Economic Council (WEC) and would be a platform to stimulate POSITIVE trade within member nations, this allinace could theoretically be broadened to include an indefinate amount of nations. It would offer preffered status to member nations, and member nations would have to approve new members unanimously.

As part of this economic alliance, each member nation will provide 1 billion dollars a year to use for investments by the WEC as investment fund for underdeveloped economies, ie.Third World, etc. The interest and returns from thsi fund will be used for charitable means in said underdeveloped regions. This is fairly optomistic, because it is thought that a profit will most likely not be made by this fund in these economies.

-WEC-
Quinntonia-1 billion/year approved
Hudecia-
Roycelandia-
The British Federation-


Prime Minister Jesse Obed, pens this agreement, with the amendment made for rotating leadership, and will sign it in a signing ceremeony as soon as possinle, calling it the most important legislation ever penned during his leadership, maybe even equally as important as giving Quinntonian Dra-pol protectorate status. It is requested that the leaders of each nation sign the documents themselves.

WWJD
Amen.

In the interests of fairness, The Kingdom of France asks to have a chair at this new organization, only in an advisory capacity. France is eager to show the West her amiability, and the Kings recent statement about Dra-pol hinted.

There would be phone calls from Versailles to Ottowa, Louis XX would ask Hudecia to support their efforts to have an advisory chair at NATO, with no power at all, but to represent France vocally.

Despite the Liberation of Lavrageria, France was attempting to see if maybe their was still the possibility of outright friendship with the West. After all, historically the French Monarchy is responsible for getting Quinntonnia its freedom from the British, a fact they beat about constantly. France was still a Western Power, although a absolute monarchy.

((However, theyd sign nothing that would conflict with the charter of the Holy Leauge))

His Imperial Majesty Emperor Royce I is more than happy to sign both Treaties, and will match Quinntonia's $1 Billion with an equal amount, for the WEC.

"I guess it means I'll just have to cut down on my number of Personal Jets" quipped His Majesty to reporters and photographers whilst signing the WEC Treaty.

The NATO treaty "Can only have positive benefits for all concerned", His Majesty said as he put his signature on the historic document.

The Roycelandian Sharemarket has reactived positively, with the RSE1000 increasing 3 points upon confirmation of the news...

-Ottawa-

To His Majesty Louis XX,

France has always occupied a high position of influence in western affairs and respect for the monarchy now established is still strong Hudecia. At the current time however, support for adding even an advisory position for Elkazor is lacking in The British Federation. TBF worries about the ties between Elkazor and The Estenlands and possibly even worries about the increased military trade between you and Marimaia.

Perhaps, a demonstration of your goodwill and devotedness to the protection of Western nations, including Britain, would force NATO to seriously consider adding Elkazor into the alliance. Should TBF remain obstinate, rest assured that Hudecia will do its utmost to moderate the tone of the debates and protect and support our friend, Louis XX.

-President MacNally

-WEC-

Despite the grumbling coming from the Hudecian finance minster, President MacNally agrees to giving $1 billion/year to the WEC. MacNally warns however, that in the event of a natural disaster or prolonged national crisis, that Hudecia, as a significantly smaller nation, may be forced to suspend or cut back on its payments.

France would respond gratefully to Hudecias offer, taking the matter in stride.

A public statement from M. de Vergennes, Minister of State to His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX, would confirm the mood.

"His Most Christian Majesty Louis XX is most appreciative of his friend Hudeica's offer. The Kingdom of France wishes to assure the "Western Allies" (or so they would soon, no doubt, become known as) of its amiacable intents. Even now, we are preparing to recieve a Quinntonnian envoy, to discuss Quinntonnias righteous actions against perfidious Dra-pol. We have invited, indeed without success, delegations of Roycelandians and Britains to Versailles. In closing, we wish to remind the West that France is their friend, even if no longer, thank God, a Republic."

There would be no more overt attempts to join NATO or the WEC, as France and her Tripartite Pact, not to even mention the Holy Leauge, were currently bonding in their own alliance. However, the French would continue sending out feelers, encouraging the production of movies (such as the recently released French film "And God sent Louis Bourbon") to spruce up Frances image and glorify the Ancien Regime, putting rose colored lenses on modern French Feudalism.

Climbing out of ages of corruption and waste, and moving into a free and capitalist society, we request membership in this alliance. Although Russia is not western, per se, we are climbing out of the darkness and adopting Western reforms. As a side note, I'd request that France be kept out, as they are not a democracy, and are aiding an illegal Lavragerian invasion.
President Vladimir Putin (Not related to RL Putin)
Russia

Roycelandia is a monarchy and I think Quinntonia is a theocracy.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

1.The first would entail a full military alliance. This would include all territories that are currently being claimed as naturalised by the member nations. This would not include territorial colonies, protectorates or teritories, but only provinces and states of said member nation.


This would give the member nations involved one vote on a security counil. This security council would discuss and vote on matters pertaining to joint military efforts included but not limited to, peacekeeping in non-member nations; joint defense of an invaded or attacked member nation; foriegn deployment of pre-emptive defensive forces.



Any ties would be decided by a single vote by a chairman, an ambassador that is appointed on a two-year rotating basis to Chair the Security Council, his only power would be to cast a vote in the event of a tie.


This alliance would be called the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and would be built on the principle of mutual self-defense.

-NATO-
Quinntonia
Roycelandia
Hudecia
The British Federation

2.The Economic Alliance would be called the World Economic Council (WEC) and would be a platform to stimulate POSITIVE trade within member nations, this allinace could theoretically be broadened to include an indefinate amount of nations. It would offer preffered status to member nations, and member nations would have to approve new members unanimously.

As part of this economic alliance, each member nation will provide 1 billion dollars a year to use for investments by the WEC as investment fund for underdeveloped economies, ie.Third World, etc. The interest and returns from thsi fund will be used for charitable means in said underdeveloped regions. This is fairly optomistic, because it is thought that a profit will most likely not be made by this fund in these economies.

-WEC-
Quinntonia-1 billion/year approved
Hudecia-1 billion/year approved
Roycelandia-1 billion/ year approved
The British Federation-1 billion/year approved

With now Prime Minister Jesse Obed, His Majesty Royce I, Prime Minister Bull and Prime Minister MacNally signing the agreement, in their own pen,
(I am just assuming everyone flew in to sign it, big photo op and all that) NATO and WEC are up and running.

Now it is just to choose a chairman, and that nation can start the NATO/WEC threads. Is that copasetic?

AS fir Russia being a memeber, I would invite Russia to pledge to maybe be a part of WEC for now, as we need to have some evidence that you have a little more stability, I would ask that France also be given a pass.... for now, until this thing in Lavrageria is hashed out.

WWJD
Amen.

-Ottawa-

Hudecian President MacNally fully agreed with His Majesty Louis XX that supporting the Quinntonia in the matter of Drapol would help dispel the myths of French antagonism towards the west.

As towards the leadership of the NATO, Hudecia did not hesitate to nominate Quinntonia to hold the position of Chairman for the first two years.

We would much like to join the WEC, but if it is possible to send lesser funds, at least at the beginnning, seeing how our nation would qualify as a "developing nation" if not for our sheer size and industrial base. And to all of those interested in our stability, I would request peacekeepers be sent to Moscow, as riots instigated by the Mafia (with possible funding from outside sources (OOC: Cough*France*Cough) have consumed the city and look to spread throughout.

Vladimir Putin
President Of Russia

The standards for WEC are as stated. It would be unfair to Hudecia to allow you in at a lower rate, seeing as it has a fraction of your GDP.

I also graciously accept the nomination, but ask that it be ratified by everyone else.

WWJD
Amen.

"Hudecia is most concerned by the growing violence in Russia and hopes that it will be brought to a quick conclusion. However, the actions by the Russian government against civilian targets worries the Hudecian government as well. As well, we question if it is wise to involve other nations in clearly domestic strife. Peacekeepers, if deployed, should be there to protect foreign residents and workers."

-President MacNally in a televised interview

"That's ridiculous. We are targetting only those who threaten the safety of our people with violence. If Hudecia cares so much about civilians, it should be a proponent of peacekeepers. Will the West stand by and allow our country to be divvied up into an anarchical hellhole?"
------President Vladimir Putin, Press Conference

Roycelandian Post has been blamed for losing the French invitation to send Delegates to Paris, but Jeff Lebowski, the Foreign Minister, has said that Roycelandia would be "Delighted" to establish an Embassy and hold talks with France, and would be "more than willing" to extend the same courtesy to a French Delegation to Roycelandia...

Though some serious economic concerns press London to reconcilliation with Paris, PM Bull is not keen to become again entangled with the impossibly difficult and politically disagreeable French monarchy. The Prime Minister speaks of real fears for the safety of Britons travelling to France in the event of recovered relations, and some of his ministers have questioned the wisdom of, as they put it, propping up the dangerous regime with British trade and with modern technologies that would otherwise likely soon begin to be denied the isolated state. Some call it a moral obligation to avoid delaying the inevitible restoration of the French Republic.

The UK has no interests in Korea, and certainly won't be impressed by French involvement in an arguably imperialist venture against the Koreans.

As to Russia, though, Bull's government is more interested in consideration of their approaches. Government ministers speak of a continually broken Russia as a Balkan-type headache on a completely unmaneagable scale, and as a breeding ground for corruption, crime, and anti-western terror. Bull pushes Putin's supposedly democratic position as a major positive, while quietly being keen to replace lost French trade with a stable European-style western Russia, if nothing else.

Easily understanding western, especially Quinntonian, hesitation over Russia, Bull is following a sort of intermediate way towards Russian reconcilliation. "We may be right in hesitating to grant Moscow full membership of NATO, or, owing to their own financial situation, the WEC, but to abandon such an entity as Russia would most certainly be a mistake. If we are distrustful of the situation on the ground in Moscow, it perhaps makes sense to see for ourselves. I certainly would feel safer in sending British servicemen to Russia than civilians back into France."

It is notable that some of the units withdrawn from Northern Ireland during Bull's term as PM are now returning to old security training methods at the expense of the battlefield training experienced by mainland regiments.

Whilst the Roycelandian Government regards the Russian Situation as being "A Class Two SEP" (Somebody Else's Problem), the realisation that a collapse in Democracy in Russia qualifies as a Level One VBT (Very Bad Thing).

To that end, Roycelandia will be monitoring the situation closely, but realistically, there's not a hell of a lot they can actually do unless things get really bad...

The Quinntonian Prime Minister, Jesse Obed, though continuing to keep trade and diplomatic relations open, and in fact, burgoening with the need for materials that the British now refuse to provide, stops short of a trip to Versialles.
So, Jesus-1 takes off from Glasgow and heads for home, with a major fighter aircraft escort all the way across the pond. Anylists make an interesting note, that the Quinntonian Prime Minister has now made a longer and far more substancial state visit to The British Federation, who does not support Quinntonian support of Quinntonian Dra-pol. This should show all involved that Quinntonia places the absolutely highest priority on the NATO and WEC.

OOC-I will start a thread, and call it the NATO/WEC AMW Thread. Any and all discussions about NATO and WEC issues will have to be discussed there, through the NATO ambassadors.

WWJD
Amen.

((Hi all. Theres been a major declaration in France, and it applies I think to you all in one way or another, figured youd want to look.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7923935#post7923935

))

This is the link for the NATO/WEC thread. Please discuss any pertinent items there.
WWJD
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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388566&highlight=NATO%2FWEC