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The government of Whittier,
noting:
1. That the RWC is an alliance of warmongers
2. The RWC starts wars and then has to have other alliances finish what the RWC starts
3. That the RWC has in the past attempted to provoke wars between certain nations in the hopes of dividing and conquering
4. That we have good information that RWC members were responsible for the fake message purpoting to be from NATO threatening Whittier with invasion
5. That the RWC is in full violation of international laws
6. The nations of the RWC violate the human rights of their own people
7. The RWC is a threat to world peace and world stability
8. The RWC threatens the soverignty of every nation in NS
9. The RWC has in the past engaged in wanton imperialism

Be it formally declared that Whittier officially denounces and condemns the RWC for its imperiliastic and warmongering ways.
Be it further formally adopted and declared that any enemy of the RWC is a friend of Whittier and that Whittier will support any nation that goes to war with the RWC. We reiterate that we will support ANY nation that finds itself at war with the RWC.

Vladimir ZHirinovksy praises the Whittier government for their thoughts. The Premier salutes you with vodka.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/635000/images/_638325_zhirinovsky_150.jpg

Very smart. Have a missile.

OOC: What does RWC stand for?

To The Governing Body of Whittier

We, the government and people of the Greifan Empire, congratulate you on this firm and logical stance you have taken against the RWCj. It may very well be that we of Metus will soon be embroiled in all out war against this organization, as it is nearly irrefutable that one of their member nations has performed an unprovoked attack on our ally, Automagfreek. If you do indeed intend to participate in the destruction of the RWC when its time comes, I would highly reccommend you watch the exchange between AMF and Macabees+brood closely, as this may very well provide you with an opportunity to attain this goal. I myself would like to extend the hand of friendship toward you and yours, as it would seem that at this point we do share a common cause. Be well friends, may the light of the Maiden guide you in all things.

End Transmission

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It was our undestanding that the NWO had persuaded Maccabbees to leave the RWC.

OOC: What does RWC stand for?

OOC: Really Weak Countries. :p

OOC: Really Weak Countries. :p
Unofficially it means: Right Wing Collective (Alliance)

To The Governing Body of Whittier

I would say that it was the Macabees who convinced the NWO to take them in and shield their ass from us. Regardless, this attack on AMF was, we are convinced, inspired by the RWC, and its nations still stand ready to perform war against us should we chose to move against Macabees. We draw the reasonable and logical conclusion that Macabees and the RWC are very much one and the same creature, inspite of the pathetic propaganda of certain nations making claims to the contrary.

End Transmission

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Diplomatic Message

It cannot be helped - some are so used to believing in the proverbial "monster in their closet", they find themselves in the unenviable position of either admitting themselves full of horsepucky, or in performing absurd actions for ridiculous reasons.

One symptom to be found is the pointless repeating of an accusation, even in inappropriate venues. Such as yelling "shark!" in a bathtub or swimming pool.

With a little work, you can find those suffering their delusions. It is our hope you avoid this particular ailment, and perhaps decapitate the cause.

Namaste.

To The Governing Body of Whittier

I would say that it was the Macabees who convinced the NWO to take them in and shield their ass from us. Regardless, this attack on AMF was, we are convinced, inspired by the RWC, and its nations still stand ready to perform war against us should we chose to move against Macabees. We draw the reasonable and logical conclusion that Macabees and the RWC are very much one and the same creature, inspite of the pathetic propaganda of certain nations making claims to the contrary.

End Transmission

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OCC: This Thread is basically Worthless, This was to start with a way to get The Macabees to stand down, but it has moved on from there and he Refuses to Stand down still.

As Such NWO has pulled Support on any level from RWC and will no longer be Linked to the Alliance on any Level. RWC is a Threat to the Free World More then what NATO ever was. RWC is just an Imperialistic Power with no home.

This was Copyed from the Other Thread that i Stated it in.

To The Governing Body of Whittier

I would say that it was the Macabees who convinced the NWO to take them in and shield their ass from us. Regardless, this attack on AMF was, we are convinced, inspired by the RWC, and its nations still stand ready to perform war against us should we chose to move against Macabees. We draw the reasonable and logical conclusion that Macabees and the RWC are very much one and the same creature, inspite of the pathetic propaganda of certain nations making claims to the contrary.

End Transmission

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The Maccabees was one of the founding members of the NWO if I am correct.
Today, Rudolfensia announces military preparations are being under taken in the event of war with the RWC.


OOC: This is Whittier switching nations since Whittier is currently too weak for war at the moment. And this is my new main nation.

ooc: Ah, and hear I thought I was suffering from deja vu. ;)

OOC: I would support AMF but he has me on ignore. So nothing I can do, except start a seperate war thread against RWC to draw split their forces up.

OOC: I would support AMF but he has me on ignore. So nothing I can do, except start a seperate war thread against RWC to draw split their forces up.

ooc: Well, you could always ask him to unignore you. No? :)

OOC: Why would he do that?

ooc: Well, you could always ask him to unignore you. No? :)

OCC: Wont happen, AMF is a little stubborn on this subject he also has RF ignored who us also agents RWC but refuses to be involved with AMF.

OOC: Well, any one who is opposed to RWC is a friend of Rudolfensia.

OCC: Wont happen, AMF is a little stubborn on this subject he also has RF ignored who us also agents RWC but refuses to be involved with AMF.

ooc:Oh tisk tisk...

OOC: Well, any one who is opposed to RWC is a friend of Rudolfensia.

OOC: I ask again, what does RWC stand for?

OOC: Well, any one who is opposed to RWC is a friend of Rudolfensia.

ooc: Well then maybe Rudolfensia should consider joining GDODAD. :D

OOC: I ask again, what does RWC stand for?

ooc: Right Wing Collective.

ooc: Well then maybe Rudolfensia should consider joining GDODAD. :D

HAHAHAHAHA

ooc: Well then maybe Rudolfensia should consider joining GDODAD. :D
OOC: already a member of NWO.

ooc: Oh well for you. :D

ooc: Right Wing Collective.

OOC: Oh. I should have known that, because I've heard of the Right Wing Collective. That's truly hilarious, though, their name. What kind of conservatives would call themselves a "collective?" ha ha. Well, I guess it sounded good at the time or something, because "collective" to me kind of has communist connotations.

IC: Callisdrun agrees wholeheartedly that the Right Wing Collective is overly belligerant.

OOC: I love how the RWC (a collection of dictatorships) is at odds with AMF....pehaps the most brutal and iron fisted dictatorship in the modern NS world. Quite funny, actually.......

ooc: Ironic.

OOC: I love how the RWC (a collection of dictatorships) is at odds with AMF....pehaps the most brutal and iron fisted dictatorship in the modern NS world. Quite funny, actually.......

Oh come come, surely you've heard of the upstart. :D

Where can I find a complete list of who is in the RWC?

Here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363836)

Thanks. Now I can start preparing.

ooc: Hey, no problem. ;)

OCC: Wont happen, AMF is a little stubborn on this subject he also has RF ignored who us also agents RWC but refuses to be involved with AMF.

OOC: Stubborn, but not unreasonable. I have always been a reasonable player (except sometimes my IC attitudes lead people to believe otherwise) and you yourself Twist were on my 'do not interact with list'. A few months back you approached me and extended and olive branch, which I then accepted although I still prefer to keep our IC interaction as minimal as possible. If Whittier or RF have hard feelings still and want to resolve them, they need to contact me first.

EDIT: TM would be my preferred method of communication.

I don't have any hard feelings. But, yeah, your posts can be pretty convincing and work people up.

OOC: I love how the RWC (a collection of dictatorships) is at odds with AMF....pehaps the most brutal and iron fisted dictatorship in the modern NS world. Quite funny, actually.......

OOC: Weird that but at the moment you are the one starting beef with us. Macca had a sub that went rogue. Icly it did this because the commander wanted there to be a war between the macabes and AMF. OOC there was a connection but not ic, you managed to draw that up by yourself. Now you've decided that it was thw RWC who somehow bundled macca into a van and brianwashed him till he attacked you for some reason and now you are trying to get another allaince full of dictators and right wing nations to attack us.

OOC: Weird that but at the moment you are the one starting beef with us. Macca had a sub that went rogue. Icly it did this because the commander wanted there to be a war between the macabes and AMF. OOC there was a connection but not ic, you managed to draw that up by yourself. Now you've decided that it was thw RWC who somehow bundled macca into a van and brianwashed him till he attacked you for some reason and now you are trying to get another allaince full of dictators and right wing nations to attack us.


OOC: It's very easy for me to ICly make that connection because:

A. The RWC blindly and publically rushed to the aid of The Macabees before the sub was even destroyed.

B. The Macabees itself mobilized it's military shortly after issuing it's 'apology'.

C. ICly you guys are getting very worked up about this. Dumpsterdam (an RWC nation) has ICly challenged AMF. This is not the typical behavior from an alliance that has done nothing wrong.

Next time you want to pin the blame on me, think things over. And if for some reason you cannot see why I ICly can make that connection, then you need to attend some 'Roleplay 101' classes.

Just my $.02, take it for what it is.

OOC:
"History repeats itself because no one listens the first time"

and

"When presented the choice between admitting one lacks skill and needs improvement, and proving there is no reason for such, most get busy on the proof".

*snort*snicker*giggle*laughs*

Well, at least they're entertaining.

OCC: Funny... you probably only want to RP with me again so you have another person who can get their hands dirty for you. Im no ones puppet and remember that. If you want to set aside our differences then I insists you take down the ignore now, because it has been frickin almost two years. If you want to still be stubborn then have it your way.

Russian Forces
This message is hidden because Russian Forces is on your ignore list.

OOC: I assume this is probably a rude comment directed at me. I'm perfectly fine still ignoring you, and I can go on as long as possible. If you have no desire to fix what happened, then neither do I. Either way it doesn't matter to me what happens. TM me if you have any desire to at least discuss this 'ignore'.

OOC: I assume this is probably a rude comment directed at me. I'm perfectly fine still ignoring you, and I can go on as long as possible. If you have no desire to fix what happened, then neither do I. Either way it doesn't matter to me what happens. TM me if you have any desire to at least discuss this 'ignore'.

OCC: Ok i am going to take the 1st Step on this Issue because no 1 here will want to lose Face.

I want both of you to Drop your Ignores from Each other and Attempt to Fix your Relations because we all know, no one will be prepared to take the 1st step here on this Issue. So please both of you Drop your Ignore and attempt to fix relations.

OCC: Hey i was offering to be friendly with you again and you turned it away. All the sudden it took you 2 years to start considering to give "AN LOVE BRANCH" to me. I consider that extremely rude my friend. You were in the wrong there.

OCC: Hey i was offering to be friendly with you again and you turned it away. All the sudden it took you 2 years to start considering to give "AN LOVE BRANCH" to me. I consider that extremely rude my friend. You were in the wrong there.

OCC: Get online now!

The government of Whittier,
noting:
1. That the RWC is an alliance of warmongers
2. The RWC starts wars and then has to have other alliances finish what the RWC starts
3. That the RWC has in the past attempted to provoke wars between certain nations in the hopes of dividing and conquering
4. That we have good information that RWC members were responsible for the fake message purpoting to be from NATO threatening Whittier with invasion
5. That the RWC is in full violation of international laws
6. The nations of the RWC violate the human rights of their own people
7. The RWC is a threat to world peace and world stability
8. The RWC threatens the soverignty of every nation in NS
9. The RWC has in the past engaged in wanton imperialism

Be it formally declared that Whittier officially denounces and condemns the RWC for its imperiliastic and warmongering ways.
Be it further formally adopted and declared that any enemy of the RWC is a friend of Whittier and that Whittier will support any nation that goes to war with the RWC. We reiterate that we will support ANY nation that finds itself at war with the RWC.

Your condemnation is noted however:
I am no warmongerer, i do not start wars, i never planned to divide and conquer, i have never seen any message being sent to you, RWC never even talked to you, i respect all international law you are pointing at the wrong nation/alliance with that, i do not violate the rights of my own people, Stability is what we hope to reach, We do not threaten every soverign nation on NS(id have some work doing that with 119.000 nations), What imperialism did i ever engage in?

I am, as you probably already know, an RWC president so no, this is not just me we are talking about. I represent the RWC as leader.'


OOC: Your puppetwanking(nothing new under the sun) is also noted. Thank you for wasting my valuable time.

The government of Whittier,
noting:
1. That the RWC is an alliance of warmongers
2. The RWC starts wars and then has to have other alliances finish what the RWC starts
3. That the RWC has in the past attempted to provoke wars between certain nations in the hopes of dividing and conquering
4. That we have good information that RWC members were responsible for the fake message purpoting to be from NATO threatening Whittier with invasion
5. That the RWC is in full violation of international laws
6. The nations of the RWC violate the human rights of their own people
7. The RWC is a threat to world peace and world stability
8. The RWC threatens the soverignty of every nation in NS
9. The RWC has in the past engaged in wanton imperialism

Be it formally declared that Whittier officially denounces and condemns the RWC for its imperiliastic and warmongering ways.
Be it further formally adopted and declared that any enemy of the RWC is a friend of Whittier and that Whittier will support any nation that goes to war with the RWC. We reiterate that we will support ANY nation that finds itself at war with the RWC.

IC:

In a bid to discard these blatantly false images of RWC corruption, I have set forth the following to help the RWC but mostly to make sure Kriegorgrad's name remains untarnished.

1. Kriegorgrad has never declared war upon any sovereign nation during it's pleasant time with the RWC.

2. I'd like to see proof of this and please note, this doesn't represent the whole alliance, it simply represents the few who aren't clever enough to cover their tracks...I mean, seek diplomatic ends.

3. Completely unfounded, this isn't worth a proper retort.

4. I know about the goings on in the RWC, I heard nothing of this, take your foul lies elsewhere.

5. Just because we don't bend and kneel before the UN like the weaker nations in the world, why does this give us the torment of persecution.

6. We all need to pay the price for an economy, if you don't violate the rights of your own people, you're most likely violating the rights of others, we'd rather make our own people carry the burden unlike the cruel monopoly you spin upon third (NS) world countries.

7. Another, ignorant and unfounded remark drawn upon by a desperate diplomat running out of options and thus needing to bring up another foolish reason to reach an admirable number of reasons for condemnation.

8. Another desperate reason, please look to my reply above.

9. This is essentially what number eight says, another poor attempt to push the numbers higher.

I am sorry but this is a rather poor attempt at a condemnation you have put together, please send us something more formidable next time.

Thank you.

Yours

Grand Inquisitorial Lord Matthias, Keeper of the Seal, Guardian of the Tome


OOC: Really Weak Countries. :p

OOC:

Coming from someone about half my size! :P

OOC:

Coming from someone about half my size! :P

OOC: Ah, you measure strength only in numbers... that shall be noted. :p

OOC: That's right, keep running your uneducated socialist mouths.

Good job, Kriegorgrad, for your good attempt to set the record straight on these left-wingers.

The RWC is not around to start wars and not finish them, or start wars period. It's to defend ourselves against uneducated, propaganda-spewing, left-wing mud-house hermits like Vastiva and Whittier.

Effective immediately, the Empire of Xeraph is no longer to be considered associated with the RWC.

The allies of Xeraph have been contacted as to possible mobilisation against the RWC in conunction with NWO and it's allies.

EX preparing for all-out war: Full Military Alert.

Updates to follow.

Gen. Strickland, CMDR EX Forces, in the name of the Emperor

OO look another cuddly bunny. The Emperor pets thee and then stabs thee in the neck with a fork...


:: yes if you didn't notice this topic has been ignored by the Empire of Layarteb ::

OOC: That's right, keep running your uneducated socialist mouths.

Good job, Kriegorgrad, for your good attempt to set the record straight on these left-wingers.

The RWC is not around to start wars and not finish them, or start wars period. It's to defend ourselves against uneducated, propaganda-spewing, left-wing mud-house hermits like Vastiva and Whittier.


OOC: ROFL. Sure. We believe you. We also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

Ready...set...go!

[smart person]
Whittier, you cease to amaze me. I cannot help but ignore this thread, seeings how you have nothing better to do then condemn an alliance. That makes you the fool, and the RWC the gold. Therefor, your condemnation is fool's gold. You see the pun?

However, the RWC is not full of "warmongering nations", and many of the other reasons are bullshit. This was a pitiful attempt at pissing off the RWC, even if I myself am not a member. I know many, and possibly I will join if allowed.

But see this...if you are not a member of the RWC (Which I am assuming, seeings how you are condemning the entire alliance), then how do you know what goes on inside thier forums?
[/smart person]



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IGNORED

Ready...set...go!

[smart person]
Whittier, you cease to amaze me. I cannot help but ignore this thread, seeings how you have nothing better to do then condemn an alliance. That makes you the fool, and the RWC the gold. Therefor, your condemnation is fool's gold. You see the pun?

However, the RWC is not full of "warmongering nations", and many of the other reasons are bullshit. This was a pitiful attempt at pissing off the RWC, even if I myself am not a member. I know many, and possibly I will join if allowed.

But see this...if you are not a member of the RWC (Which I am assuming, seeings how you are condemning the entire alliance), then how do you know what goes on inside thier forums?
[/smart person]



OMG!!!111oneone

j00 g0 dood!! n00x0rz dem to dussst!!!




IGNORED



We have our spies everywhere.

OOC: Besides, lots of people have been complaining bout what the RWC's been doing. Outside the forum that is.

Your condemnation is noted however:
I am no warmongerer, i do not start wars, i never planned to divide and conquer, i have never seen any message being sent to you, RWC never even talked to you, i respect all international law you are pointing at the wrong nation/alliance with that, i do not violate the rights of my own people, Stability is what we hope to reach, We do not threaten every soverign nation on NS(id have some work doing that with 119.000 nations), What imperialism did i ever engage in?

I am, as you probably already know, an RWC president so no, this is not just me we are talking about. I represent the RWC as leader.'


OOC: Your puppetwanking(nothing new under the sun) is also noted. Thank you for wasting my valuable time.

Yes, you should be afraid.

We have our spies everywhere.

OOC: Besides, lots of people have been complaining bout what the RWC's been doing. Outside the forum that is.

IC:

We would remind Rudolfensia, that the RWC also has it's spies ranging far and wide. Perhaps you wouldn't sit up there spouting half the propaganda you do, if you realised this... As for spies in our own ranks, well you can guess their fate... just dream quite dark :)

OOC: And what have we done (ICly)..? I'd love to know what everybody has taken exemption too... we haven't gone on all conquering crusade unlike a lot of non-RWC people in this thread are advocating... for little or no provocation.

OOC: Ah, you measure strength only in numbers... that shall be noted. :p

OOC: Numbers, size and length my small friend :p(ROFLLOL TEH JOKE!11) and I am larger and longer than you.

I am sorry for another one of my lapses into "PHEAR MY COX!"

On a more serious note, I'd be very pleased if we could accept Witzgall into our ranks, he sure does know how to own people he isn't very fond of!

IC:

All I can do is thank my friends in Pacitalia and I would like to retract my previous statement concerning international law and instead replace it with this one:

What laws have we broken?

It is shorter and simpler, a plus when dealing with the limited cranial capacity of Whittier's diplomats but it also stresses the point: what have we done wrong?

Thank you for your time.

Yours

Grand Inquisitorial Lord Matthias, Keeper of the Seal, Guardian of the Tome

The government of Whittier,
noting:
1. That the RWC is an alliance of warmongers
2. The RWC starts wars and then has to have other alliances finish what the RWC starts
3. That the RWC has in the past attempted to provoke wars between certain nations in the hopes of dividing and conquering
4. That we have good information that RWC members were responsible for the fake message purpoting to be from NATO threatening Whittier with invasion
5. That the RWC is in full violation of international laws
6. The nations of the RWC violate the human rights of their own people
7. The RWC is a threat to world peace and world stability
8. The RWC threatens the soverignty of every nation in NS
9. The RWC has in the past engaged in wanton imperialism

Be it formally declared that Whittier officially denounces and condemns the RWC for its imperiliastic and warmongering ways.
Be it further formally adopted and declared that any enemy of the RWC is a friend of Whittier and that Whittier will support any nation that goes to war with the RWC. We reiterate that we will support ANY nation that finds itself at war with the RWC.

Being a member of the RWC I will show how all your claims are completely based in fiction.

1. Since the time the RWC was formed I have known of only 3 wars RWC members have been in. Of which two of them I was involved in 1 was going on before I even joined the RWC and ended shortly after I joined. The second one was to defend Catholics in another nation and hardly warmongering.
The third war took place between Sino and Bonstock and that was a war that started long before Sino joined the RWC.

2. Never in the three wars that RWC members have been involved has there ever been a call for help on our messageboards.

3. Completely unfounded claim.

4. There has never been any RWC covert operation to start a war between Whittier and NATO nor would there be.

5. There are many Nations not part of the RWC that do not belong to the U.N. so you have to condemn hundreds of other non UN and non RWC nations.

6. Being hard on crime and having good civil obediance is no means a humans rights violation.

7. Once again I point you too how many wars RWC members have been involved in.

8. See 7

9. Completely baseless and unfounded in fact.

Why has a climate of fear been created surrounding the RWC? This to me simply seems to reflect the inferiority complex and therefore fear that nations like Whittier have of such a prosperous and powerful alliance.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
A January 2003 Nation

OOC: Dumpsterdam is now a ex-member, he resigned to avoid bringing the RWC into disrepute.

IC: We find these claims foolish, but then what o ecpect from a nation such as Whittler? As for those that would support such baseless lies, well I balive it just prove what fools they are.

Emporer Palpatine the 4th of Aust


VICE PRESIDENT OF THE RWC
PRESIDENT OF THE RWC JUNIOR MEMBERS
Lord of the Air, Lord of Bonesacke, Lord of Busted, Lord of Elvindom, Protector of Bambinio, Distroyer of Nuevo Kowloon

Official Announcement of the Riksdag of the Federal Republic of Bonstock:

"It shall be the policy of the Federal Republic to oppose all who are against the Right Wing Collective. Should such words result in violence, a Bonstocknian expiditionary force will be deployed to engage in hostilities with opposing nations."

Official Imperial Response:

These claims are completly false and unjust. It would be a waste of my time to run through the list and prove eahc one flase, especially since it has been done mroe than once. THose allying themselves against the RWC no naught of its power or its purpose.

Belem explains it the best but it's like talking to a wall. Nothing you, I, or anyone in the RWC can say will make them actually change their mind about us. I mean we're evil right-wingers, gasp! You know there is a left-wing nation who fits into this category of people that banned (in their country) being unhappy? Talk about a blatant human rights violation, imagine going to jail because you're sad. Wow, that's bad. But it's okay because it's them doing it and not us. The same characteristics of RL liberals and fringe nuts are the same as in NS. Let's face it, if you don't believe in paying people not to work, taxing people 60% of their income to pay for social programs, and you are for punishment of those who commit crimes rather than try to make rapists color inside the lines, then you are a horrible human being. I've heard it a thousand times and you know what I always say to these people? When you implode on yourself don't come to me because I'm going to say, "I told you so."

Remember Belem, it's only a fact when it agrees with their position, otherwise it is heresay or opinion. Nevermind that it is actually the truth. That is the way RL liberals operate so why not NS liberals?

This will preceede countless "Nazi" accusations and other anti-Conservative slander but ask me if it'll faze me? I'm not going to get into a "Well I have 50 more tanks than you do" argument because it's worthless. These are the people who believe 70,000 tanks is a great army. Guess what, by the time you mobilze all 70,000 tanks, I'll have my what 9,000 tanks mobilized fully, deployed, and eradicating all of your 70,000 tanks.

OOC: *clap* *clap* *clap*

It's not your "right wing" ideology that makes you so reviled - its the being a bunch of warmongering simps which causes the general *puke* reaction.


Belem explains it the best but it's like talking to a wall. Nothing you, I, or anyone in the RWC can say will make them actually change their mind about us. I mean we're evil right-wingers, gasp! You know there is a left-wing nation who fits into this category of people that banned (in their country) being unhappy? Talk about a blatant human rights violation, imagine going to jail because you're sad. Wow, that's bad. But it's okay because it's them doing it and not us. The same characteristics of RL liberals and fringe nuts are the same as in NS. Let's face it, if you don't believe in paying people not to work, taxing people 60% of their income to pay for social programs, and you are for punishment of those who commit crimes rather than try to make rapists color inside the lines, then you are a horrible human being. I've heard it a thousand times and you know what I always say to these people? When you implode on yourself don't come to me because I'm going to say, "I told you so."

Remember Belem, it's only a fact when it agrees with their position, otherwise it is heresay or opinion. Nevermind that it is actually the truth. That is the way RL liberals operate so why not NS liberals?

This will preceede countless "Nazi" accusations and other anti-Conservative slander but ask me if it'll faze me? I'm not going to get into a "Well I have 50 more tanks than you do" argument because it's worthless. These are the people who believe 70,000 tanks is a great army. Guess what, by the time you mobilze all 70,000 tanks, I'll have my what 9,000 tanks mobilized fully, deployed, and eradicating all of your 70,000 tanks.

Show me one shread of proof that we're warmongering simps? I can't recall a war in NS that we actually started because I sure as hell would have been involved with it in one shape or form. I know of a few we were dragged into and one that had to do with an individual nation or two but not the body as a whole.

See what the problem with you is that you see a pact of militaristic nations in the sense that we all believe in military power and might and immediately assume we want to turn the entire world into our own personal plaything. So you go on calling us warmongerers and this and that and what's sad is that people believe you...

Official Imperial Response:

These claims are completly false and unjust. It would be a waste of my time to run through the list and prove eahc one flase, especially since it has been done mroe than once. THose allying themselves against the RWC no naught of its power or its purpose.
It is the declaration of the government of Rudolfensia that no nation or alliance can stand against a world united shoulder to shoulder to restore peace and stability to the world community of nations.

In response to the threats from the government of Bonstok, Rudolfensia does not bow before anyone. The nations supporting the Whittier resolution are nations who have had or noticed problems with the RWC while Whittier has not been on the forum for a long time. It is through such nations that Rudolfensia has learned of the evil plots emanating from the RWC, and certain nations have asked us to assist in restoring world order and stability. Rudolfensia has responded that it will assist such nations.

It is the declaration of the government of Rudolfensia that no nation or alliance can stand against a world united shoulder to shoulder to restore peace and stability to the world community of nations.

This naive thinking that humanity can actually live in peace and harmony will be the destruction of the real world. Humanity is vile, just look at the things we do to each other and you can't blame it on capitalism or the United States or this or that because it's 100x worse in an anarchaic state. The only time that peace will exist on Earth is when humanity ceases to exist.

And another thing...

SINCE WHEN DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WHITTIER AND TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!

An interesting proposal indeed. How you see NATO is how we see you, and meanwhile someone has been causing all this grief and dickering and mobilization and general "I n00k j00!" nonsense.

NATO has yet to start a conflict. You claim RWC is yet to start a conflict. Very well then - so who is responsible for all this gameyness? Do point fingers to the individuals responsible for IC actions which cause strife.

I shall wait, and am fully prepared to state that a belief system was wrong.
Are you up to it?

Official Announcement of the Riksdag of the Federal Republic of Bonstock:

"It shall be the policy of the Federal Republic to oppose all who are against the Right Wing Collective. Should such words result in violence, a Bonstocknian expiditionary force will be deployed to engage in hostilities with opposing nations."

OCC: RWC has so far to Date Separated itself from some of its Members that made Threads such as this Exists. Those Nations are now heading to the course of Death because of there Action. The Leadership of RWC has cut itself off from theses Nations removing the RWC name from them and leaving them in the cold.

As such, RWC itself is no longer a thread like it was with those Members, RWC itself should no longer be targeted by outside Nations and Alliances, but the Nations that Drew RWC into theses Situations are on the verge of Invasion and Death, and as such nothing can help them.

In a recent speech to the press, the President of Rudolfensia had this to say about Rudolfensia's critics in the RWC:

The days of the RWC are numbered.

President Rednose calls on the RWC to halt its threats to world peace.

This naive thinking that humanity can actually live in peace and harmony will be the destruction of the real world. Humanity is vile, just look at the things we do to each other and you can't blame it on capitalism or the United States or this or that because it's 100x worse in an anarchaic state. The only time that peace will exist on Earth is when humanity ceases to exist.

And another thing...

SINCE WHEN DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WHITTIER AND TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!

OCC: No Offence, But just because its Whitter Doesn't mean he is wrong, Whitter has had access to a Lot of Intel Reports on the Situation from a lot of Large Alliances Including NWO and RBA and on other Large Alliance which will Remain Nameless. He has pointed out a lot of Stuff here, Doesn't mean its all right, but he Voiced his Opinion which is Perfectly legal, If you have a Problem it move onto a Different Thread.

OOC: I think everybody needs to stop the OOC bitching before this degenerates into a flame war.

OOC: I concur. It seems like people are taking this stuff oocly personally. Its only a game. I am a conservative republican in real life. This stuff is just ic roleplay stuff.

OOC: I concur. It seems like people are taking this stuff oocly personally. Its only a game. I am a conservative republican in real life. This stuff is just ic roleplay stuff.
OOC: Must point out I am not condemning for this. I have been guilty of overreacting to stuff in the past and taking it personally when I should not have.

OCC: No Offence, But just because its Whitter Doesn't mean he is wrong, Whitter has had access to a Lot of Intel Reports on the Situation from a lot of Large Alliances Including NWO and RBA and on other Large Alliance which will Remain Nameless. He has pointed out a lot of Stuff here, Doesn't mean its all right, but he Voiced his Opinion which is Perfectly legal, If you have a Problem it move onto a Different Thread.

I am just curious where I missed the memo that Whittier was suddenly credible because since I've been on these forums I've always been given the impression by many that he is somewhat of a joke (though not to the extent of let's say Sephrioth).

I am just curious where I missed the memo that Whittier was suddenly credible because since I've been on these forums I've always been given the impression by many that he is somewhat of a joke (though not to the extent of let's say Sephrioth).

OCC: That would be people Bad Mouthing him because they don't like him, Whitter has had a Bad past a lot of Nations have but some have Recovered and Whitter is doing well theses days, Its like the other Side of the Fence where AMF used to endlessly get Bagged out and was considered a joke for a while. I am not trying to Flame anyone where i am just telling it how it is.

OCC: That would be people Bad Mouthing him because they don't like him, Whitter has had a Bad past a lot of Nations have but some have Recovered and Whitter is doing well theses days, Its like the other Side of the Fence where AMF used to endlessly get Bagged out and was considered a joke for a while. I am not trying to Flame anyone where i am just telling it how it is.

That breeds clarity.

The United Empire of Colerica, as an official member of the Right-Wing Collective, issues the following rebuttal to these outlandish claims.

That the RWC is an alliance of warmongers

The United Empire is not a warmongering nation. We have only gone to war when it is necessary for the strength and unity of our nation and our interests.

2. The RWC starts wars and then has to have other alliances finish what the RWC starts

The United Empire has never done such an action nor does the United Empire know what you're referring to in regards to the Right-Wing Collective's prior actions.

3. That the RWC has in the past attempted to provoke wars between certain nations in the hopes of dividing and conquering

The United Empire has never attempted to provoke war between any nation nor does it know what you're referring to in regards to the Right-Wing Collective's prior actions.

4. That we have good information that RWC members were responsible for the fake message purpoting to be from NATO threatening Whittier with invasion

The United Empire is unaware of such an event and, thusly; is withholding comment.

5. That the RWC is in full violation of international laws

The United Empire asks for proof of said accusation.

6. The nations of the RWC violate the human rights of their own people

The two billion plus population of the United Empire thrives under Imperial rule. Our people are pleased with our government. *

7. The RWC is a threat to world peace and world stability

The United Empire asks for proof to back up such an outlandish statement.

8. The RWC threatens the soverignty of every nation in NS

The United Empire has never threatened the soveirgnty of any nation in the world, nor does it know of any of its brethren in Right-Wing Collective that have done so.

9. The RWC has in the past engaged in wanton imperialism

The United Empire does not engage in said imperialism. We implore you to seek out facts when making accusations against a body as diverse as the RWC. For example, the United Empire is chiefly responsible for liberating the people of Isla De Plata from the oppressive rule of the former Ma'dah regime and the UEC gladly notes that the Island Republic of Isla De Plata recently held successful elections -- their first elections in their nation's history.

Regards,

Kircer Danton
Magistrate of Foreign Affairs

OOC: EDIT: * = Ignore the fact that my nation just went through a bloody civil war....;)

So the nation of Colerica admits with their own lips that the RWC invades other nations just cause they don't like their governments.

The United Empire of Colerica, as an official member of the Right-Wing Collective, issues the following rebuttal to these outlandish claims.

That the RWC is an alliance of warmongers

The United Empire is not a warmongering nation. We have only gone to war when it is necessary for the strength and unity of our nation and our interests.

2. The RWC starts wars and then has to have other alliances finish what the RWC starts

The United Empire has never done such an action nor does the United Empire know what you're referring to in regards to the Right-Wing Collective's prior actions.

3. That the RWC has in the past attempted to provoke wars between certain nations in the hopes of dividing and conquering

The United Empire has never attempted to provoke war between any nation nor does it know what you're referring to in regards to the Right-Wing Collective's prior actions.

4. That we have good information that RWC members were responsible for the fake message purpoting to be from NATO threatening Whittier with invasion

The United Empire is unaware of such an event and, thusly; is withholding comment.

5. That the RWC is in full violation of international laws

The United Empire asks for proof of said accusation.

6. The nations of the RWC violate the human rights of their own people

The two billion plus population of the United Empire thrives under Imperial rule. Our people are pleased with our government. *

7. The RWC is a threat to world peace and world stability

The United Empire asks for proof to back up such an outlandish statement.

8. The RWC threatens the soverignty of every nation in NS

The United Empire has never threatened the soveirgnty of any nation in the world, nor does it know of any of its brethren in Right-Wing Collective that have done so.

9. The RWC has in the past engaged in wanton imperialism

The United Empire does not engage in said imperialism. We implore you to seek out facts when making accusations against a body as diverse as the RWC. For example, the United Empire is chiefly responsible for liberating the people of Isla De Plata from the oppressive rule of the former Ma'dah regime and the UEC gladly notes that the Island Republic of Isla De Plata recently held successful elections -- their first elections in their nation's history.

Regards,

Kircer Danton
Magistrate of Foreign Affairs

There is Evidence all over the Place, but as such to stop the entire alliance from being Invaded by some of the Largest Alliances in Nation States, They have cut all the Members who have been creating the Situation, and as such only Those Members are being Targeted atm, but the RWC name has been seriously Damaged because of the Actions of its Members. If you haven’t see what’s been going on you can find it all over NS atm, Bob-Bobs Invasion of Kazakhstan (now Resolved), Fruity Loops Committing Genocide, The Macabees Attack upon NATO primarily AMF.

The Evidence is everywhere, Nations not wishing to take notice are only avoiding the Truth, But The Alliance is presently in a cleansing Period and hopefully it works well for the alliance.

So the nation of Colerica admits with their own lips that the RWC invades other nations just cause they don't like their governments.

Are you referring to Isla De Plata when it was under the control of the Ma'dah regime? We will have you know that Ayden Uraine's Ma'dah party viciously oppressed their people for scores of years. It was only after the IMS Montaro, a Colerican passenger liner, was sunk (an act that killed nineteen hundred Colerican civillians) did the United Empire decide it was absolutely necessary to intervene.

Regards,

Kircer Danton
Magistrate of Foreign Affairs

There is Evidence all over the Place, but as such to stop the entire alliance from being Invaded by some of the Largest Alliances in Nation States, They have cut all the Members who have been creating the Situation, and as such only Those Members are being Targeted atm, but the RWC name has been seriously Damaged because of the Actions of its Members. If you haven’t see what’s been going on you can find it all over NS atm, Bob-Bobs Invasion of Kazakhstan (now Resolved), Fruity Loops Committing Genocide, The Macabees Attack upon NATO primarily AMF.

The Evidence is everywhere, Nations not wishing to take notice are only avoiding the Truth, But The Alliance is presently in a cleansing Period and hopefully it works well for the alliance.
The Ministry of Intelligence is going over information relating to this and will be briefing the President this afternoon.

The above was from an anonymous government source. The official government line continues to be that RWC is an evil alliance.

Are you referring to Isla De Plata when it was under the control of the Ma'dah regime? We will have you know that Ayden Uraine's Ma'dah party viciously oppressed their people for scores of years. It was only after the IMS Montaro, a Colerican passenger liner, was sunk (an act that killed nineteen hundred Colerican civillians) did the United Empire decide it was absolutely necessary to intervene.

Regards,

Kircer Danton
Magistrate of Foreign Affairs
What was your ship doing in their waters violating their national soverignty?

What was your ship doing in their waters violating their national soverignty?

It wasn't. The IMS Montaro was a Colerican-born passenger liner that was torpedoed twenty-two miles off the coast of Isla De Plata. Seeing as no nation can legally claim more than twelve ocean miles of coastal territory, the Ma'dah acted well beyond their own legal rights and intentionally sunk the ship with the sole purpose of killing innocent Colericans.

It wasn't. The IMS Montaro was a Colerican-born passenger liner that was torpedoed twenty-two miles off the coast of Isla De Plata. Seeing as no nation can legally claim more than twelve ocean miles of coastal territory, the Ma'dah acted well beyond their own legal rights and intentionally sunk the ship with the sole purpose of killing innocent Colericans.
We hold Isla De Plata to be well within their legal rights to claim up to 20 miles of coastal territory. As would be any nation.

We hold Isla De Plata to be well within their legal rights to claim up to 20 miles of coastal territory. As would be any nation.

No nation, by well-accepted international law, can claim more than twelve nautical miles of oceanic territory (twelve miles being the horizon line -- as far as one can see over water). Your claim of holding Isla De Plata to hold over twenty miles of coastal territory is a moot point. We ask you: why do you defend the indefensible?

"Surely you do not take the action of but a few as evidence that the entire alliance has gone sour in its intentions? ITD is a member of the RWC, but was never informed of these actions. If you have a problem with individual nations, then deal with them. Good day." -Emperor Erik Kersk-

The President has begun speaking to the press pool:

Today I recieved a briefing from the Minister of Intelligence. He has informed me that the RWC has cut off ties with the nations of Bob Bob, Fruity Loops, and Maccabees. These nations are responsible for destabilizing the world and are run by evil regimes.
The nation of Bob Bob recently committed an illegal invasion of Kazahkstan. Which we have condemned previously. But he also stated that Bob Bob has withdrawn its forces from Kazahkstan. Rudolfensia applauds this wise move and hopes that Bob Bob will continue to move towards rejoining the community of nations.
While genocide is a violation of the Whittier Convention, no matter where it occurs, I have been informed by the State Department that Fruity Loops has never signed the Whittier Convention. Nevertheless, it should not take a Convention to hold a government's genocidal intentions in check. The Ministry of Intelligence is taking a careful look at this matter and will be advising me on appropriate courses of action in the next couple of days.
Now the matter of Maccabees. I am distressed that the government of Maccabees has chosen to illegally attack AMF for no just cause. Unlike the other former and current nations of the RWC, Maccabees continues its unrepentant aggression against AMF and continues to threaten world stability.
As such, I call on the Maccabee leadership to halt its imperialistic aggression and withdraw its forces from all nations it has invaded. I note that Maccabees has threatened nations such as IDF. IDF is a nation with which our nation is allied. Therefore, until Maccabees halts its aggression, I am banning all trade and travel between Rudolfensia and Maccabees. All foreign corporations doing business in the nation of Maccabees have had any assets they had in Rudolfensia siezed and frozen by the government. All Maccabeeans in Rudolfensia are now being taken into custody by the police and are being questioned by special interrogators from the Ministry of Intelligence.
As such, I am formally withdrawing our nation's condemnation of the RWC alliance and issuing a warning to the leader of Maccabees.
I applaud the RWC's moves on this issue.
I formally demand that Maccabees withdraw its forces from all foreign lands it is illegally occupying. If not, Rudolfensia may be forced to act. To the leader of Maccabees, I say this: Do not force my hand.
That is all.

The speech is broadcast nation wide and around the world via sattelite.

"Surely you do not take the action of but a few as evidence that the entire alliance has gone sour in its intentions? ITD is a member of the RWC, but was never informed of these actions. If you have a problem with individual nations, then deal with them. Good day." -Emperor Erik Kersk-
"That is just what we intend to do." - President Red Nose.

Magistrate Danton's Quarters -- Imperial Palace, Zachara, Kurono, United Empire of Colerica

Kircer Danton stared at the large flat-screen television as the speech ended. A red light on the recorder clicked off with the switch of a button and Kircer rewound the tape. He paused it at a select scene of the speech and let it play.

Rudolfensia's President's voice clearly stated, "All Maccabeeans in Rudolfensia are now being taken into custody by the police and are being questioned by special interrogators from the Ministry of Intelligence."

How noble of them, Kircer mentally retorted.

The look on his face must have caught the attention of his Lieutenant Foreign Affairs Magistrate, Lyla Dane, as she turned quickly to speak to him. Lyla was a stunningly attractive young woman with flowing honey brown tresses and emerald green eyes. Though she was two years younger than the twenty-six year-old Foreign Affairs Magistrate, she had long felt a certain attraction to him -- despite the fact that Kircer was happily married with a four year-old son.

"What's wrong?" she paused and amended her statement, "besides the obvious."

"They speak of how they are so strongly against 'tyranny' and 'oppression,' yet they've just ordered the rounding up of countless Maccabeeans. What crime did these Maccabeeans committ?" Kircer's face was lit with his usual shade of red that Lyla had grown accustomed to seeing when he was upset or angry.

"They're hypocrites. I thought that was already established, Kircer," she said with a smirk.

"True, true," he replied, waving his hand to signify her to stop.

OOC: And no, no one can possibly know what just went on in this short discussion as it is a closed-door meeting....it should be more properly marked as a "secret-IC"....

The President has begun speaking to the press pool:

Today I recieved a briefing from the Minister of Intelligence. He has informed me that the RWC has cut off ties with the nations of Bob Bob, Fruity Loops, and Maccabees. These nations are responsible for destabilizing the world and are run by evil regimes.
The nation of Bob Bob recently committed an illegal invasion of Kazahkstan. Which we have condemned previously. But he also stated that Bob Bob has withdrawn its forces from Kazahkstan. Rudolfensia applauds this wise move and hopes that Bob Bob will continue to move towards rejoining the community of nations.
While genocide is a violation of the Whittier Convention, no matter where it occurs, I have been informed by the State Department that Fruity Loops has never signed the Whittier Convention. Nevertheless, it should not take a Convention to hold a government's genocidal intentions in check. The Ministry of Intelligence is taking a careful look at this matter and will be advising me on appropriate courses of action in the next couple of days.
Now the matter of Maccabees. I am distressed that the government of Maccabees has chosen to illegally attack AMF for no just cause. Unlike the other former and current nations of the RWC, Maccabees continues its unrepentant aggression against AMF and continues to threaten world stability.
As such, I call on the Maccabee leadership to halt its imperialistic aggression and withdraw its forces from all nations it has invaded. I note that Maccabees has threatened nations such as IDF. IDF is a nation with which our nation is allied. Therefore, until Maccabees halts its aggression, I am banning all trade and travel between Rudolfensia and Maccabees. All foreign corporations doing business in the nation of Maccabees have had any assets they had in Rudolfensia siezed and frozen by the government. All Maccabeeans in Rudolfensia are now being taken into custody by the police and are being questioned by special interrogators from the Ministry of Intelligence.
As such, I am formally withdrawing our nation's condemnation of the RWC alliance and issuing a warning to the leader of Maccabees.
I applaud the RWC's moves on this issue.
I formally demand that Maccabees withdraw its forces from all foreign lands it is illegally occupying. If not, Rudolfensia may be forced to act. To the leader of Maccabees, I say this: Do not force my hand.
That is all.

The speech is broadcast nation wide and around the world via sattelite.

Diplomatic note of National Position

It is our opinion the Whittier Convention appears to have mended some fences. As such, we are willing to open contact with them again.

It is our opinion Frooty Loops may do whatever it wishes within its own borders, but may not outside those borders.

It is our opinion Macabees has called the Thunder down upon themselves, and must now take full brunt of that action. We do not believe their excuses, for their actions make those words into lies.

We refrain from our reassesment of the RWC at this time, as our intelligence operatives have not completed their work.

erm people. Bob-bob is not in the RWC. So dredging kazakhstan up is pointless