NationStates Jolt Archive

Following a small outbreak of the virus in Belem mostly likely stemming from Belem's Foreign Quarters it has been deemed neccesary to remove all people infected with Hiv and Aids from society at large. This will hopefully make the virus extinct in the Imperial Empire.

The Inquisition has begun setting up internment camps in the Northern Reaches of Belem as far away as possible from inhabitated areas. Anyone who has been previously been tested positive for either Hiv and Aids shall be rounded up the Inquisition and the police and transported to these camps. The people relocated to these camps will have to give a full list of all peoples they have had Inappropiate Interaction with who will then be tested as well as the persons immediate family. Should they refuse to hand over the names they shall be summarily executed for commiting treason against the Empire and its people. The infected citizenship and any Racial status shall be immediately revoked and they shall be considered non humans by the state.

The camps themselves are self running institutions guarded by Inquisitors. Those contained will be allowed to do as they please within the camps as long as it is legal within Belem law and legal within the camps law that is decided by the leading officials within the camp. To offset the cost of construction the internees will be required to work in the mines located in and around the camps. Any supplies that can not be supplied by the internees themselves will be supplied by the government in exchange for additional ore from the mines.

Those sent to the camps will of course be sterilized in order to ensure that the disease does not continue to spread.

It is estimated theres 2-5 million people with Hiv or Aids in Belem.

The Kingdom of Moronyicka supports these actions to contain this virus. We have now started doing the same thing in our nation

Yes, a very smart idea indeed. If you don't know Hamanistan has been working on a cure for the virus for severel decades now and still have not made any progress. I'm proposing we could join together, build a state of the art research building and staff it with our best and see what we can do? It would cost alot, but I think its worth it.

At this time the Imperial Empire has no interest in devoting billions of dollars developing a cure. We feel confident that through quarantine and isolation we can eliminate the virus.

This is a positive move, but it is just a half-measure. You should kill the weak now, for the greater strength of your nation.

Ghargon Gorbgan IV

True but by having the camps we gain an economic benefit from the camps. When the camps prove to no longer be profitable and they can no longer afford to be self sustaining then extermination will be a viable solution.

and it goes bump

ooc:Awww, look at all the 'evil' nations trying to look more evil.

Anagonia cannot comment on this at this time....and has no intention to. Many reason reign as to why Anagonia subsides its Virus count, its epidemics in its Nation, but for now, it shall not comment.

The WHL (World Humanitarian League) would like to send a non-militaristic unarmed task force to your great nation. While we do not possess a cure for HIV/AIDS, we can keep these men and womens' symptoms in check using medecine, make sure they are well cared for in your camps, and ultimately ensure that their passing is as comfortable as possible.

If permitted, we would also like to set up a few HIV Awareness clinics in your nation, and hopefully recruit local people to run them.

Although we dislike your measures, we realise that it is your sovereign right as a nation. Please take this into account when viewing our offer: the longer they live, the longer they can work in your mines.

We would take these unfortunate people off your hands. We have a method of extracting the DNA without the...Unfortunate elements.We would be willing to pay you for them.We will do anything to be able to accquire human specimens, as we require them to survive, in the long run.

The Kingdom of San Lucia supports the course of action by the nation of Belem to contain and eradicate this terrible virus.

- Franz Kompzter
Minister of Health
San Lucia

The United Scialist States of Rummland request that you allow a team of medical and survey personel to watch over your extraction of the HIV and AIDS victims. We want to make sure that even though they are all tainted with the life-threatening disease, we still would like to see them taken care of humanely. If it is allowed, I would like to send in 3000 personel and and 200 armed guards. We do not want to pose as a threat.

Good day,
Chairman Alexei Avakian
USSR, Sector 7G
Member of Communist Nation Alliance(CNA)

The Supreme Islamic Sheik of Soviet Imperial China is in full support of these HIV/AIDS internment camps and say that it is better to have this virus contained than watch millions of people die not only in Belem but in nations around the world.

But we wish to ask Belem not to become discriminatory and intolorant of their foriegn imagrants. Just becuase this horrible virus came from your foriegn quater we wish that your people have a high tolerence level for foriegn vistors to your country and also the foriegn immigrants. We wish that you and your people not be discrimintory of foriegners.

We will pray to Allah that this disease is wiped out and destroyed in the 21st Century or with in our life time

From The Imperial Chinese Mosk
-Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas

"We in Upper Xen applaud your solution to AIDS, and point out that it was cured in Upper Xen during the 1980's by banning marraige licenses to those who had it and banning them from leaving their homes. A suggestion would be to ban those with AIDS from entering your land one this disease is done for, as to prevent its reintroduction-this measure has worked successfully in our land. A cruel measure to be sure, like the choice you have made, but we feel that the needs of the many outweigh the need of the few or the one."

Taira Yuna
Scretatary of State
Gordon Lew
President
Republic of Upper Xen

OOC: Yes, I stole the end quote from Star Trek.

We have a treatment and would gladly pay you to allow us to take them off your hands. We will treat them in our country and allow them full citizenship.

Hrall Thundaurwhaugung

ooc:Awww, look at all the 'evil' nations trying to look more evil.


ooc: Actually I got this idea from something Castro did in Cuba and i thought "thats actually a pretty good way to deal with the problem" so i brought it over to NS. so go and blame Castro.

If you ask me, Belem's just looking for an excuse to commit genocide.

-The Dictator of Darkana

OOC: "People with Hiv/Aids sent to internment camps." - Now this is progress.

"Uh? Okay, no one in Afrika has "AIDs" because homo and bisexuals were never allowed to touch foot, or get close, to Afrika. [All AIDs infected people are shipped to Casio Island.]. "

Mr. Hirshi, Minister of Sexuality.

If you ask me, Belem's just looking for an excuse to commit genocide.

It is not genocide, they are not a specific peoples, they are merely the victems of a disease and we applaude Belem for cutting the burning coal out of the coal mine.

-Mikosolf Corporation

The WHL (World Humanitarian League) would like to send a non-militaristic unarmed task force to your great nation. While we do not possess a cure for HIV/AIDS, we can keep these men and womens' symptoms in check using medecine, make sure they are well cared for in your camps, and ultimately ensure that their passing is as comfortable as possible.

If permitted, we would also like to set up a few HIV Awareness clinics in your nation, and hopefully recruit local people to run them.

Although we dislike your measures, we realise that it is your sovereign right as a nation. Please take this into account when viewing our offer: the longer they live, the longer they can work in your mines.


It is Belem policy as not to allow any foreign groups within Belem to regulate Belem governmental policy. And we believe that an international awareness clinic would most likely break with Catholic Doctrine.

We would take these unfortunate people off your hands. We have a method of extracting the DNA without the...Unfortunate elements.We would be willing to pay you for them.We will do anything to be able to accquire human specimens, as we require them to survive, in the long run.

Being as there classification is designated as Non Human under Belem law they are allowed to be sold if they are within government custody. I believe we could work out an agreement that is in the interest of both our parties on the cost per person and the number to be sold.

"We in Upper Xen applaud your solution to AIDS, and point out that it was cured in Upper Xen during the 1980's by banning marraige licenses to those who had it and banning them from leaving their homes. A suggestion would be to ban those with AIDS from entering your land one this disease is done for, as to prevent its reintroduction-this measure has worked successfully in our land. A cruel measure to be sure, like the choice you have made, but we feel that the needs of the many outweigh the need of the few or the one."

Taira Yuna
Scretatary of State
Gordon Lew
President
Republic of Upper Xen

OOC: Yes, I stole the end quote from Star Trek.

ooc: and I think star trek stole that from someone else. ahhh the joys of quote stealing:)

The United Scialist States of Rummland request that you allow a team of medical and survey personel to watch over your extraction of the HIV and AIDS victims. We want to make sure that even though they are all tainted with the life-threatening disease, we still would like to see them taken care of humanely. If it is allowed, I would like to send in 3000 personel and and 200 armed guards. We do not want to pose as a threat.

Good day,
Chairman Alexei Avakian
USSR, Sector 7G
Member of Communist Nation Alliance(CNA)

As per Belem policy we do not allow foreign investigators or advisors in Belem.

We have a treatment and would gladly pay you to allow us to take them off your hands. We will treat them in our country and allow them full citizenship.

Hrall Thundaurwhaugung

At what price would you be willing to purchase them?

It is not genocide
-Mikosolf Corporation

We'll see, all I can say is that these "Internment Camps" sound just a little bit too close to Concentration Camps. That concerns me, I would hate to learn that millions of innocent people were slaughtered simply because fate dealt them a bad hand.

-The Dictator of Darkana

If you ask me, Belem's just looking for an excuse to commit genocide.

-The Dictator of Darkana


The Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas is appalled by this comment maid by Darkana and condem his words as lies and slander of the worst degree. I hope that the Dictator of Darkana appologize for these horrible coments. The Imperial Islamic People demand that this dictator appologize now or he will regret his words.


From The Imperial Chinese Mosk
-Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas

The Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas is appalled by this comment maid by Darkana and condem his words as lies and slander of the worst degree. I hope that the Dictator of Darkana appologize for these horrible coments. The Imperial Islamic People demand that this dictator appologize now or he will regret his words.


From The Imperial Chinese Mosk
-Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas

I'm just calling it how I see it, but if it turns out I am wrong I will gladly eat my words and offer an apology to Belem.

-The Dictator of Darkana

If you ask me, Belem's just looking for an excuse to commit genocide.

-The Dictator of Darkana


The Supreme Emperor Isoroku Yamamoto is appalled by this comment maid by Darkana and condem his words as lies and slander of the worst degree. I hope that the Dictator of Darkana appologize for these horrible coments. The Imperial Japanese People demand that this dictator appologize now or he will regret his words.


From The Office Of The Supreme Emperor Of Soviet Imperial Japan
-The Supreme Emperor Isoroku Yamamoto

The Supreme Emperor Isoroku Yamamoto is appalled by this comment maid by Darkana and condem his words as lies and slander of the worst degree. I hope that the Dictator of Darkana appologize for these horrible coments. The Imperial Japanese People demand that this dictator appologize now or he will regret his words.


From The Office Of The Supreme Emperor Of Soviet Imperial Japan
-The Supreme Emperor Isoroku Yamamoto

Ditto.
-The Dictator of Darkana

I'm just calling it how I see it, but if it turns out I am wrong I will gladly eat my words and offer an apology to Belem.

-The Dictator of Darkana


To the Dictator Of Darkana the opinion that you share is something that i strongly dissagree with and if it is i who be wrong and i will appologizes to you and your people for my attack on you.


From The Imperial Chinese Mosk
-Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas

Well they will all die within 5-10 years statisically. However that is all due to natural causes.

To the Dictator Of Darkana the opinion that you share is something that i strongly dissagree with and if it is i who be wrong and i will appologizes to you and your people for my attack on you.


From The Imperial Chinese Mosk
-Supreme Sheik Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Abas

Agreed.

-The Dictator of Darkana

The Commonwealth of Fairly supports this action and will be taking the same course with those infected with the viruses. This is a wonderful plan to eradicate the HIV/AIDs problem. We congradulate you on such a plan. Maybe bringing this forth to the UN would help?

To the Dictator Of Darkana the opinion that you share is something that i strongly dissagree with and if it is i who be wrong and i will appologizes to you and your people for my attack on you.


From The Office Of The Supreme Emperor Of Soviet Imperial Japan
-The Supreme Emperor Isoroku Yamamoto

OOC: Who's the persecuter now?

To the Dictator Of Darkana the opinion that you share is something that i strongly dissagree with and if it is i who be wrong and i will appologizes to you and your people for my attack on you.


From The Office Of The Supreme Emperor Of Soviet Imperial Japan
-The Supreme Emperor Isoroku Yamamoto

And again, agreed.

-The Dictator of Darkana

The Commonwealth of Fairly supports this action and will be taking the same course with those infected with the viruses. This is a wonderful plan to eradicate the HIV/AIDs problem. We congradulate you on such a plan. Maybe bringing this forth to the UN would help?

I doubt the U.N. is as forward thinking and intelligent to accept such a plan and would prefer to just leave people to there own devices and hope they "keep it safe"

I doubt the U.N. is as forward thinking and intelligent to accept such a plan and would prefer to just leave people to there own devices and hope they "keep it safe"

You are probably correct, which is too bad. This problem could be completely taken care of in such a manner and then there would no longer be the ability to pass such a horrible disease to another.

a bump in the night.

We require 100 \aids victims' DNA to keep the new Arilou generation alive. We would also be willing to tell you how to sift out the nasties ie the virus, from the body.

We will pay $50,000US for each sufferer.

The 100 infected will be transported immediately to your country following the wiring of half the money and the other half should be wired upon arrival of the infected.

Are you kidding?
1. You are taking a large number of people and putting them into internment camps, thereby abruptly bringing a stop to their lives as they know it. While they still breath, they are no longer a part of the world! You've sent them all to a prison camp because they have a disease. Do you honestly not understand why this is wrong? You don't have to quarantine them. It's not like they're going to give everyone else HIV by breathing on them!
2. You evidently see it as morally better to throw AIDS victims behind barbed wire than to spend some of your budget on trying to cure them. Do you even intend to provide health care for them? After all, in an internment camp they have no income and therefore you have to pay for everything they need or else they don't get it, in which case your internment camp becomes a death camp. So will you be paying for the AZT or will you be killing them all? And on the same lines, why are you making someone pay you to "take them off your hands?" It saves you an enormous amount of money if the victims just emigrate. Pisgah Forest, for instance, welcomes them all with open arms, since putting someone in prison for catching a disease is abhorrent to our government.
3. Throwing all current AIDS patients into jail will not prevent AIDS from recurring in your country unless you close your borders to all immigration and travel.
4. The fact that they will die in 5-10 years is does not excuse putting them in internment (or death) camps. What if I threw your grandparents in an internment camp on those grounds?
5. To the country that said it experienced no HIV/AIDS because it had no queer community, you need to learn something about the disease. It is not an exclusively gay/lesbian phenomenon, nor is it spread exclusively by gays/lesbians. It can be transmitted through straight sex just as easily as gay sex. Furthermore, it can be spread through exchange of blood in an unregulated setting, or from mother to child at birth, or by reuse of hypodermic needles.
6. Pisgah hereby appeals to the NS equivalent of Amnesty International to monitor these internment camps, and will respond in the following ways:
-If life in the camps is found not to be substantially different from life outside the camps, we will applaud your ability to offer the stricken community treatment and a sustainable existence.
-If conditions are poor, we will call on international organizations like the UN to take punitive actions such as reprimand, sanctions, divestment, and withdrawal of international funding for any programs in your nation.
-If you do not provide medication free of charge or a sufficient means of income for patients to pay for the medication themselves, we will call on international bodies to take even harsher action, with the limits of that action to be determined.

President of the Free People of Pisgah Forest

1. But they are at risk of transmitting a incurable disease to the community therfore they pose a risk to the Imperial Empire.

2. If you would have read the entire release you would see they do have income. The Camps are located on or near mines and those confined within the camps are to work the mines with the ore being produced to be exchanged for goods and services. They fail to produce enough ore they do not recieve goods or services.

3. Immigration is highly regulated, Travel however is more difficult to regulate but we feel any travel related infections will most likely be confined to prostitutes and thus more easy to contain. However following the elimination of most of the infected within Belem most of the camps will be closed and only one or two will remain open to handle any recurring cases.

4. That is not an excuse I was stating that when someone said it was genocide. The reason they are being put in the camps is because they are a risk to the community.

5. (was not directed towards me hence no response)

6. Belem does not allow foreign regulatory agencies into Belem or on or near Government Installations.

OOC> Nordrreich isn't future tech, nor quite modern tech. It's about 20 years in the future, enough time, IMO and with proper research, to come up with a more effective medical solution to the disease.

We oppose this action of the government of Belem on human rights grounds, however we are willing to admit that Nordrreich has never had a serious HIV problem (it's never been more than 0.1-0.2% of the population) and furthermore, we have developed effective anti-viral drugs and vaccines to deal with the infection.

The government of Nordrreich respects the sovereignity of nations in all but the most dramatic cases. We are willing to sell trichorazin (an extremely effective anti-viral drug) and AIDS vaccine to Belem and any other interested countries. Enough trichorazin, or about a month's supply to clear up HIV infection for one person costs $1,000, and AIDS vaccine costs $250 per dosage.

Harlesburg apllaudes these actions and is preparing to implement them into our own nation.

1. But they are at risk of transmitting a incurable disease to the community therfore they pose a risk to the Imperial Empire.
2. If you would have read the entire release you would see they do have income. The Camps are located on or near mines and those confined within the camps are to work the mines with the ore being produced to be exchanged for goods and services. They fail to produce enough ore they do not recieve goods or services.
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4. That is not an excuse I was stating that when someone said it was genocide. The reason they are being put in the camps is because they are a risk to the community.
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I appreciate your well thought out response.
Most people who transmit HIV do so because they don't realize they have it and therefore do not take proper precautions. Therefore sending those who know they have it to the camps does not prevent those most likely to spread the disease from doing so. Unless you test your entire population, this course of action will be ineffective anyway.
But the main reason I object is not the mere idea of quarantine but the character of it. You are sending them to labor camps--you know, making big rocks into little rocks sort of thing. Manual labor in mines (and conditions in mines are infamously bad) is not exactly a fulfilling life. On the contrary, it is a harsh existence often use as a means of punishment for heinous crimes. Their crime--catching a disease. Or is it the inferred future crime (which you don't care if they show no likelihood of committing) of spreading it? Pardon me if this does sound a bit like a sci-fi distopia. Furthermore, subsistence is the limit of income derived from mining. They will not be able to pay for AZT and similar drugs with a mining wage. You still will have to. Are you willing to do so at enormous cost? While many of them would likely not have been able to pay for such expensive life-saving medicines on their own, now none of them will. Furthermore, will you be compensating their families for the source of income you have removed? Especially if the AIDS patient is the primary breadwinner of the family, you have not only destroyed their lives, but substantially disrupted the lives of their families as well.
Now, as for the 5-10 years statement, you still mean to use it as an excuse--as to why removing them from the world is not genocide. The point is moot. It does not matter how long a subject/victim has to live statistically. If it did, then killing all the elderly would not be wrong.
(out of game: The definition of genocide according to the real UN includes actively removing a group of people from the gene pool by sterilization or isolation. Of course, one would have to say it would be irresponsible for an AIDS patient to risk transmission by having a child.)
Therefore, I stand by my previous statement of position.
Pisgah Forest

Not wishing to appear repetitive, but I feel compelled to say once again; the weak must give way to the strong. Otherwise you dilute your entire civilisation.
If these ill people are strong, they will find a way to resist. If they are not able to resist, they should die trying. I fail to see how putting weak, ill humans to work will benefit anybody. The costs to keep them in a healthy enough working condition alone would be enormous, not to mention administrative costs, food, shelter, clothing, equipment. I don't see how sick humans mining could make up these costs. Simply kill them and put criminals to work in the mines instead; much more beneficial.

Ghargon Gorbgan IV

There is mandatory testing in Belem for diseases at certain times in a persons life. When a child is born they are tested before they start school they are tested again. All men are tested when they are to report for Belem Defense Militia sign up and evaluation. When a couple gets married both are tested for diseases and when a woman becomes pregnant she is again tested. Also if a person is hired for a government job or joins the military they are tested again and for the military they are tested at set intervals during there enlistment.
And they are not paid by wage they are paid by how much the camp mines as a whole it is then the camps responsibility to divide the supplies they are alloted. If they can not afford the supplies they will not recieve supplies. We will however credit the camps up to a certain amount should they pass that amount they will recieve no more supplies.
Should the only provider for a family be interned then the government will of course extend to the remaining head of the household entry into a Imperial work program until they can find a full time job.

bump

el bumpo

Well they will all die within 5-10 years statisically. However that is all due to natural causes.


Incorrect. Statistically, majority of people infected with HIV/AIDS will live from 15-25 years, depending on how well they treat themselves, and if they take the medication consistently (despite it being overly expensive; 1,000 a month). Some people, may even live longer than 25 years, though, that in itself is a rarity. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. I'm bi... I've done my research, hehe.

The nation of Verstummelung applauds the acts of this country, yet we have some concerns.

If this plan fails, will the "victums" of this virus be "exterminated."

Verstummelung itself has already begun such preperations, testing is at a top concern, we intend to keep the country as disease free as possible.

Testing takes place every year, on the exact date. If a person tests positive, their family is tested, and all of their sexual partners are tested. Those who test positive will be evacuated to contained cities constructed in isolated areas of the nation. The whole population of the city will be held within the city by a heavy reinforced wall.

We cannot wait for a cure, and similar plans are being constructed for similar diseases.

As of now termination is not being considered but may be considered in the future pending the results of this program.

As of now termination is not being considered but may be considered in the future pending the results of this program.

I knew it, you are going to commit genocide.
-The Dictator of Darkana

No. That says it would be a possible consideration in case of failure of the present program.