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The Roman Empire today has announced the formation of a new alliance structure involving all the nations of the Mediterranean and adjacent nations. Emperor Rodin Hartian stated in his election campaign promises that he would start an alliance of this nature (OOC: like the RL British Confederation) to reach out to and maintain the peace in all of the former nations of the old Roman Empire, as well as to establish economic and diplomatic relations with the nations.

Hartian put forward the following parameters:

1. Rome shall serve as the capital of the Confederation.

2. The Roman Emperor shall serve as Head of State for the Confederation (but not the state if the state so desires) but this position will amount to nothing more than a figurehead in terms of national affairs. For the purpose of the Confederation, Rome shall serve as the Speaker (OOC: the moderator).

3. Each year (OOC: Every two months), a chairman of the Confederation will be elected. The chairman can come from any state except Rome.

4. Every nation will be able to discuss and vote on every action the Confederation takes. Actions require at least 66% of the vote for it to pass.

5. The purpose of the Confederation is to serve as a peaceful economic and military alliance.

OOC: If anyone has any objections and/or suggestions to the above, let me know. I'm not trying to sound imperialistic.

The Free Land of Cotland will be delighted to participate in such an alliance. Only one question before we join: Can we withdraw from the alliance if we wish, and at any time?

Sure. Membership is completely voluntary, although we will make sure every nation is welcome in the alliance.

We should also mention that membership in the alliance will not abridge in any way national soverignty- this is merely an alliance whereby the old nations of Rome will help each other out in any way that they can (though we should also note that this is meant as a peaceful alliance- I don't wish this as an alliance where one nation will use it to satisfy their imperialistic ambitions). It will also be completely democratic- one nation, one vote- with everyone gaining an equal say.

I should also mention that this is open to any Earth II nation which has territory along the Mediterranean Sea. I'm also working on telegramming invitations to advertize this event.

The Empire of Risban wishes to join this alliance. Our founders based much of our architecture and government on the Roman Empire; even our Imperial High Guard is based on the old Praetorian Guard.
We are willing to commit things to this alliance, and do possess a few islands in the Mediterranean Sea.
-Alexander Perkins, Imperial High Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Risban, I'd love to have you in the alliance, but it's strictly for Earth II nations only. You are quite eager to get involved though- contact Layarteb or Colodia and see if they'll let you in (they don't allow other Earth nations into Earth II, but if you want I can see if they'll let me give up some land so you can join in here).

Official Imperial Statement

The Empire would be most interested in joining this alliance.

((OOC: I control RL Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan, but I lost the E2 link so I never updated past Bulgaria.))

Your application has been accepted. The nations who are in the alliance are:

Rome West
Cotland
Generic Empire

OOC: I was going by memory on who owned what, and I was a little pressed for time in sending the TG's, so I apologize for the dubious quality.

I'd like to join

Parthia, you have been accepted.

:: tag ::

*bump for other interested Earth II nations*

*bump*

Okay, so the following nations have been accepted:

Euroslavia
Barretta

Spain and Italy will be glad to join

BuMp

****Official Communique from the Roman government****

We have declared that we have officially opened up our borders to trade with every nation currently in the Roman Confederation.

-Emperor Rodin Hartian

OOC: To nations already here, would all of you be open to the idea of free trade? I don't want to make it official until I get a response back from every eligible applicant.

EDIT- Nikolaos The Great is checking out the alliance, while North Germania has been admitted into the alliance.

OOC: I'm open to the idea of free trade.

Update:

Andrehervia has been accepted into the alliance.

I'd also like to ask, since the option is there for the Roman Emperor to serve as the Head of State (in a figurehead role, of course), is there anyone willing to take that option? It could be something where the country gained independence (peacefully) from Rome but decided to adopt a Constitutional Monarchy, with the Roman Emperor serving as the Monarch (like Canada did with Britain in 1867).

bump

((OOC: Free trade sounds like a good idea. You should work out an official agreement though. Also, do we have boards yet?))

Earth II Forums? Really, where?

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php

We will join this alliance. But beware if this is an attempt to restore the Roman Empire and to take Greece we will destroy your armies and burn Rome to the ground.
-Nikolaos the Great, Emperor of Greece

We will join this alliance. But beware if this is an attempt to restore the Roman Empire and to take Greece we will destroy your armies and burn Rome to the ground.
-Nikolaos the Great, Emperor of Greece

Of course there won't be. This Rome is a lot nicer than the previous ones.

You have been admitted into the alliance.

OOC: I'm just wondering; who is in the alliance?

Unfortunately, RomeW, I cannot join now that Andrehervia and I have exchanged lands (Austria for Ukraine).

However, I would like to pursue a diplomatic relationship.

- N.G.

You still can. Vienna was once in Roman territory.

Then consider me in.

- N.G.

Okay, so these are the nations in the alliance:

(Note: the territories listed for your nation are those that were once under Roman rule)

Rome (RomeW) {Italy, Switzerland, Syria, Jordan, W. Iraq, Libya}
Cotland {Tunisia, Sicily, San Marino}
Generic Empire {Bulgaria}
Parthia (the Parthians) {N. Iraq}
Euroslavia {Yugoslavia}
Baretta {Romania}
Greece (Nikoloas The Great) {Albania, Greece and Macedonia}
North Germania {Austria, Corsica}

So far, territorially most of the Eastern Roman Empire at its height is in the alliance (save for Asia Minor, controlled by Zeronia), Israel (controlled by IDF) and most of Egypt (controlled by Decisive Action).

ooc: maybe we/you should invite Kriegorgrad, since he controls britain, which was a part of the Roman Empire (Hadrians wall, etc)

OOC: I'm on it, although I wasn't sure if I sent it to him before.

We would also like to announce that the first elections for chairman of the Roman Confederacy will take place on January 13 (OOC: January 13, 2005). As per the rules, it is open to every nation currently in the Confederation (and any nation that joins to within a week of the elections) except Rome (as we are the Speakers).

We would also like to hold a preliminary vote on the issue of free trade. The poll will run until the end of the week, and any nation that joins up to the end of the week (i.e. Friday) will be able to vote on the issue. So far, as there are seven nations (excluding Rome, which will not be able to vote unless to break a tie, like any real Speaker) and a 66% vote needed for the issue to pass, five out of seven nations will need to vote yes for the issue to pass, but if any more nations join then the amount needed to pass will be adjusted accordingly.

Sounds good to me.

ooc: Just one question regarding the defence alliance. Does it apply if a colony outside of the realm of the old roman empire is attacked? I mean, hypotheticly, if my colony in the Faroes are attacked, can I rely on the Roman Confederacy to come help me out? Just wondering...

That would be the idea. Defence isn't limited to just the Mediteranean...if any member is attacked anywhere it can call on the Confederacy for support.

That's good to hear. Now I can sleep safer at night. I'm wondering wether I should run for Chairman....

Well, you have until January 6, 2005 to decide...that gives you a lot of time to decide.

Update:

Hogsweat has been admitted into the alliance.

(meaning that the preliminary vote on free trade needs five of eight nations to pass)

Thanks =) I vote yes for free trade.

The standings:

In Favour:
Cotland
Hogsweat

Against:
(None)

To pass: Five nations (out of eight possible, but if more join more votes will be needed).

I should also remind everyone that I won't vote unless to break a tie.

Cotland votes YES on free trade.

Pantheaa is very interested in this alliance, we currently call Slovakia as our home, which is right in the middle of Europe. Once apart of the Roman empire i believe

Foreign Minister
Spencer Hahns

OOC: Sorry RomeW, I barely ever check my T/Gs, if you want to talk to me about an alliance, its best to click over here.

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(My msn for the slow witted among you!)

IC: Kriegorgrad would love the opportunity to join the Roman Confederacy. I am sorry for the spartan message but my duties are hectic in this mad times.

I'd like to add that Kriegorgrad will not bend knee to the leader of this alliance, Kriegorgrad recognises this alliance as a group of friends but not as a group of overseers.

Yours

Grand Inquisitorial Lord Matthias, Keeper of the Seal, Guardian of the Tome

OOC: Pantheaa: Slovakia was never actually a part of the Roman Empire (Hungary was, as Budapest is on the Danube river which served as the Roman frontier), but I'm not going to let that fact bar you from entry. Mozambique is a part of the British Commonwealth despite the fact it was once a Portuguese colony, because South Africa wanted Mozambique's inclusion since it helped South Africa correct its civil rights policies. We can have a similar situation here in the Confederacy, where you've been active and thus merits inclusion.

IC: You're in.

Kriegorgrad: You would be correct. This is, like you said, meant to be "a group of friends" out to help one another. Your nation will not be dominated- it will have a full and equal voice here in the alliance.

You are also in.

I also encourage both of you to vote in the preliminary poll regarding free trade- right now, two nations have voted yes to it, needing five more (for seven out of ten nations, a little more than 66%) to pass. I will not vote unless to break a tie.

OOC: Great, thanks for clearing that up.

IC: Kriegorgrad votes "yes" to free trade.

Yours

Grand Inquisitorial Lord Matthias, Keeper of the Seal, Guardian of the Tome

So we have three votes in favour. Four more to pass.

I'd also like to ask the members right now what the role of "Chairman" would encompass. I'm thinking that the role would encompass the following:

-The Chairman is to act as the "representative" to the world, being the main contact for the Confederacy to the outside world (i.e. they would be the one to contact if someone outside of the Confederacy has a problem with how it is handling a certain situation, or to call on it for help)

-The Chairman is also to serve as the voice within the Confederacy, being the nation to go to if a member feels that they cannot raise their issue effectively in open discussion

Thoughts?

So we have three votes in favour. Four more to pass.

I'd also like to ask the members right now what the role of "Chairman" would encompass. I'm thinking that the role would encompass the following:

-The Chairman is to act as the "representative" to the world, being the main contact for the Confederacy to the outside world (i.e. they would be the one to contact if someone outside of the Confederacy has a problem with how it is handling a certain situation, or to call on it for help)

-The Chairman is also to serve as the voice within the Confederacy, being the nation to go to if a member feels that they cannot raise their issue effectively in open discussion

Thoughts?

I pretty much have the same ideas. Only one thing (for now)...

-The Chairman is supposed to speak for the Confederacy, as you said, but s/he is also to relay information from others outside the alliance to the members.

I pretty much have the same ideas. Only one thing (for now)...

-The Chairman is supposed to speak for the Confederacy, as you said, but s/he is also to relay information from others outside the alliance to the members.

That too. I forgot about that aspect. Thanks for that. I also think that maybe the official title should be "Chairperson"...we can't exclude women from the role.

ooc: rome, why don't you write something in the San Marino thread?

Okay, I have officially decided to officially declare the formation of the alliance. Of course, in practice it has been operational for a while (and nothing will change now that the alliance is official), but I wasn't going to make it official until I heard back from everyone I invited. The alliance is still open to Earth II nations (preferrably Mediterrenean ones, as this alliance is meant to unite the old Roman territories)- all interested must TG me.

So, now that this is out of the way, the first order of business will be to continue the free trade vote. We have the following nations in favour:

-Cotland
-USSR (Hogsweat)
-Kreigograd

Since there are ten nations able to vote (my nation can't unless to break a tie), we need seven for this resolution to pass.

Second order of business: the Election of the Chairman. Any nation (except mine) may run for the position, so if anyone is interested let me know.

Third order of business: a system of "superhighways" exist in the Roman Empire proper and we'd like to offer to extend it throughout the Confederacy. Interested nations please apply.

The current system map (NOTE: Cotland has already agreed to extensions):

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/RomanHighways.jpg

Just to let everyone know, Layarteb has created a forum in Earth II for our Confederacy. If you are already a member, you have been provided the password.

EDIT- It's the second forum listed under "Earth II Alliances":

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php?act=SC&c=6

Update: Chinkopodia has been accepted into the alliance. This brings membership to thirteen nations (listed in no particular order):

Rome (RomeW)
Cotland
Chinkopodia
USSR (Hogsweat)
Euroslavia
Andrehervia
Pantheaa
Greece (Nikolaos The Great)
North Germania
Kreigograd
Parthia
Generic Empire
Barretta

Binthor has looked over the alliance. As it appears more "sound" than the last time we looked, with free trade, superhighways, and superpowers, we have decided to ask to join. Upon admittance, we would like to vote FOR free trade. Also, we would like an extension of superhighways. Since there is one already running through Rome, one in Vatican City would be useless, so we propose that superhighways run south through Niger into Binthorian-ruled Nigeria, Benin, Togo, Ghana, and Burkina-Faso.

Seeing how I no longer hold Libya and Tunisia, I was wondering if I could be... let's say, a partner to the alliance. I hold considerable tracts of land (All of Pakistan since Parthia said he'd give it to me, India, Bangladesh, and Myanmar.), and since I border Parthia there could be a continuous trade route from the Economic Power that is Rome all the way through the Arabian deserts to powerful South-asian trading cities such as Delhi, Mumbai, Karachi, Kolkatta, Dhaka, and Lahore.

(Not to mention i gave alot of my N. Africa claim(Libya mainly) to RomeW.)

Now if only there was a way I could get Carthage into my hands...It's kinda sad when your a Carthaginian Empire without Carthage...

by the way how did ye make the map? Did you just get random picutres using MapQuest and glue em together?

Is that highway from Libya to Syria a bridge or a tunnel? Either way, it's really long.

Is that highway from Libya to Syria a bridge or a tunnel? Either way, it's really long.

It's not really lond.

It's UBER long!

I'm trying to buy Tunisia from Cotland! It's on the Earth II thread.

Do you think $1 Trillion would be enough to buy it?

Okay, responses:

Binthor and The Lighting Star: You are both in. You have been TG'ed the password for the forum on Layarteb's Earth II forum.

The map: I created it by, yes, taking a bunch of different maps from Mapquest (zoomed out to Level 3, I believe) and glued them together. I had a general idea of where the cities were really, but I wanted exact places so I went to Mapquest.

As for the Libya-Syria link: I haven't decided on what that is officially. I want it to be a tunnel- like the "Chunnel"- but I'm not sure if that would be physically possible to do with modern technology (however, the RL Roman Empire was a technological marvel, and since I'm supposed to be the continuation of the RL Roman Empire to this day, I'd believe that Rome would have, at some point, been able to come up with a tunnel connecting the two areas). So, if people think that it'd be godmodding if it were a tunnel, I just say it's a ferry.

As for the superhighway extensions: granted. I'll have to start work on them in the New Year though- (OOCly) I'm not on the computer I normally use (I'm on vacation right now) and I won't be back until January 2, and since the highway maps (and what I use to construct them) are on my main computer that's when I'll be able to update the maps. You will get the extensions though.

Furthermore, The Lightning Star, I'd like to ask if you'd like extensions yourself.

Also, TLS, I want to know if you'd be interested about being involved in Roman history at all. Since I've worked out with Chinkopodia that he was once a Roman colony, I'd like to know if you'd be interested in- at the very least- having some of your land be part of that colony as well (Burma and a strip of land along NE India so I can connect to E. Mongolia). It can be a peaceful co-existence where you bought the land off me in the 17th century or so, when I was pulling out. I still have land in the area in the Tuva Republic (a protectorate of mine).

Oh, i own Tunisia now :D

So...

I agree with your highway, yadda yadda yadda...

I also re-named Tunisia "Greater Carthage" and Tunis is now "Carthage". There.

Now i can truly be a part of the alliance!

Oh, and I'll make it that India was discovered by Carthaginian Sailors (they were the best in the world, y' know. They were the first to sail 'round the tip of Africa) and became a colony. So meh.

while not part of the empire, nor wishing to join, we hope that this does not affect trade through the mediterraeneann (Sp), as the Sea is the fastest way from Bahrain to Gambia, and back. Any actions taken that harm Elephantum or its citizens physically, economically, or mentally (propaganda) will have consequences

Since the fastest way from Bahrain to Gambia goes thru the Suez, which I own, I can garantee you that there will be no other actions taken against Elephanti citizens then the regular inspection (which is in no violation of International Law) during passage. No cargo (other then narcotics or military cargo not cleared with the Cottish MoD) will be confiscated.

+Tag+

Senegal is sort of Mediterranianish, no?

Oh, and I'll make it that India was discovered by Carthaginian Sailors (they were the best in the world, y' know. They were the first to sail 'round the tip of Africa) and became a colony. So meh.

So how do want to work the Rome-Carthage link? Do you want to say that we eventually gave you independence peacefully at some point in our histories?

while not part of the empire, nor wishing to join, we hope that this does not affect trade through the mediterraeneann (Sp), as the Sea is the fastest way from Bahrain to Gambia, and back. Any actions taken that harm Elephantum or its citizens physically, economically, or mentally (propaganda) will have consequences

You have our assurances that it will not.

Senegal is sort of Mediterranianish, no?

Pretty far...but if you want to be a part of the alliance, we can work something out. I'm not going to let geography exclude anyone.

Update: a thread for voting on the current motion regarding free trade has been added in the Earth II forum.

Update: a thread for voting on the current motion regarding free trade has been added in the Earth II forum.

I'm not on my regular computer. Can you add a link please?

I'm not on my regular computer. Can you add a link please?

Well, I can't link directly to the alliance forum- as it's password protected- but this is the link to the Earth II alliances:

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_o....php?act=SC&c=6

It's under the "Voting" thread in "The Roman Confederacy" forum.

EDIT- Cotland, your vote has already been recognized. However, if you vote in the poll make a post in the forum saying so.

Voting...

Thanks. To the other nations who have had their votes recognized- USSR (Hogsweat), Binthor and Kriegograd- make a post in the "Voting" topic of "The Roman Confederacy" forum if you vote in the poll. This is so I can confirm where the numbers come from.

Official Application

The Parliament of Hawdawg has asked that I petition the Roman Confederacy for consideration within its membership. Hawdawg is a strong nation devoted to peace and goodwill among neighbors. We wish to expand trade and commerce among fellow Mediterranean Nations and should the need arise assist Alliance states with Military Aid.

We ask that if acceptance is granted that all member states please take advantage of the free embassy properties we have in the capital of Kossuth.
Having good communication is the best way to make things prosper.

Submitted humbly for you consideration.

Prime Minister Josey Wales
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Cotland supports Hawdawgs inclusion to the Confederacy. We feel that Hawdawg will be a good and strong addition to the Confederacy.

OOC: I take it then that you've resolved any differences with Nikolaos.

OOC: I take it then that you've resolved any differences with Nikolaos.

Who? Me of Hawdawg? I've never had any differences with Nikolaos, come to think of it...

Who? Me of Hawdawg? I've never had any differences with Nikolaos, come to think of it...

Hawdawg...he told me Nikolaos and him had some differences sometime ago.

OOC: I am at peace with his occupation of Turkey.

-Hawdawg

So how do want to work the Rome-Carthage link? Do you want to say that we eventually gave you independence peacefully at some point in our histories?


Well, seeing how you've lost considerable land from the old Roman empire, I'd say that instead of you leaving Africa because of the Vandal's, a Muslim Army Invaded Roman North Africa at around 1000 A.D. and conquered Carthage. Then you took back Libya and stuff but when you tried to re-conquer Carthage you were defeated by the Muslims. There was then a period of a few hundred years of hostilitry with a few wars breaking out every few decades in Libya, Sicily, or something like that. Then around 1400 there was a peace feal due to the Rising power of the Ottoman Empire.

Just a suggestion.

Just a quick note, since Hawdawg tells me everything is fine, I have let him into the Confederacy.

Well, seeing how you've lost considerable land from the old Roman empire, I'd say that instead of you leaving Africa because of the Vandal's, a Muslim Army Invaded Roman North Africa at around 1000 A.D. and conquered Carthage. Then you took back Libya and stuff but when you tried to re-conquer Carthage you were defeated by the Muslims. There was then a period of a few hundred years of hostilitry with a few wars breaking out every few decades in Libya, Sicily, or something like that. Then around 1400 there was a peace feal due to the Rising power of the Ottoman Empire.

Just a suggestion.

What I want to do with my history is take the RL Roman history up to AD 475 and twisting things so that Rome would again rise back to prominence (in my narrative, the last real Emperor, Julius Nepos (still recognized as Emperor after Romulus Augustus was deposed in 476) put together an army and successfully re-captured Ravenna and Rome, thus unquestionably regaining the Roman throne, after which he restored the capital at Rome). In 475, the Roman Empire was a joke with two Emperors (Romulus Augustus, the candidate supported by Orestes and Nepos) and ruling over just Italy itself. So I would have lost Carthage anyway.

Still, I like the idea...I might incorporate some of it into my history.

Graciously nods at acceptance.

What I want to do with my history is take the RL Roman history up to AD 475 and twisting things so that Rome would again rise back to prominence (in my narrative, the last real Emperor, Julius Nepos (still recognized as Emperor after Romulus Augustus was deposed in 476) put together an army and successfully re-captured Ravenna and Rome, thus unquestionably regaining the Roman throne, after which he restored the capital at Rome). In 475, the Roman Empire was a joke with two Emperors (Romulus Augustus, the candidate supported by Orestes and Nepos) and ruling over just Italy itself. So I would have lost Carthage anyway.

Still, I like the idea...I might incorporate some of it into my history.

Oh cadswallop!

Ah well, im still gonna have Muslims take back Carthage. Because I like muslims.

Codswallop?

Where the hell did i get codswallop from? I think i'm going insane...

Oh cadswallop!

Ah well, im still gonna have Muslims take back Carthage. Because I like muslims.

As do I. In fact, the Romans and the Arabs were similar in that both societies were actually progressive, both technologically, socially and politically. The Romans had extensive systems of aqueducts and roads (something I pay homage to with my superhighways), and even had central heating. The Arabs, as it's widely known, were marvels with medicine, and were actually close to industrialization had it not been for the Mongol invasion of 1258. The Romans and Arabs were also progressive socially, as Rome allowed a lot of freedoms upon its citizens whose rights improved over time (my favourite example: when Caracalla declared that all free people within the Roman Empire are now Roman citizens, occuring in 212), and, as a religion, Islam is extremely liberal.

I may eventually have the Romans and the Arabs fighting a little bit (the Arabs did occupy Sicily for a time) and then becoming allies because of their similarities.

Codswallop? I think I'll use that...

As I am now in a position to do so, The Knight Templars formally ask for admittance into this alliance. We look forward to contributing to the confederacy.
With this in mind, I feel too much has been made of how autonomous this confederacy will be.
Of course, I maintain my own independance, but a stroung, united confederacy would offer a surplus of advantages, opposed to a weak trade agreement.
I would even go so far to accept Rome's idea of a constitutional monarchy, with the Emperor as a head, but he would have to be one in the mold of Constantine, as The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon have a few restrictions (this refers solely to the emperor, nothing about the make up of the confederacy. Muslims have beaten us enough times for us to wholly respect them.)
But, hey, whatever.

As I am now in a position to do so, The Knight Templars formally ask for admittance into this alliance. We look forward to contributing to the confederacy.
With this in mind, I feel too much has been made of how autonomous this confederacy will be.
Of course, I maintain my own independance, but a stroung, united confederacy would offer a surplus of advantages, opposed to a weak trade agreement.
I would even go so far to accept Rome's idea of a constitutional monarchy, with the Emperor as a head, but he would have to be one in the mold of Constantine, as The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon have a few restrictions (this refers solely to the emperor, nothing about the make up of the confederacy. Muslims have beaten us enough times for us to wholly respect them.)
But, hey, whatever.

That is (roughly) the idea of the Confederacy- an alliance of equals, but a strong alliance of equals who will help each other out whenever they need it. It's not just a trade agreement- our first issue just deals with free trade. On the forums is a Constitution which roughly outlines what the Confederacy is all about.

That is (roughly) the idea of the Confederacy- an alliance of equals, but a strong alliance of equals who will help each other out whenever they need it. It's not just a trade agreement- our first issue just deals with free trade. On the forums is a Constitution which roughly outlines what the Confederacy is all about.

Ok.

Um, how do I get into the Confederacy Forum on Layarteb's Earth II Forums?

Ok.

Um, how do I get into the Confederacy Forum on Layarteb's Earth II Forums?

You need the password. RomeW will probably TG it to you when he logs on.

Ok.

Um, how do I get into the Confederacy Forum on Layarteb's Earth II Forums?

I TG'd it to you before...but, in case you lost it, I resent the TG.

I TG'd it to you before...but, in case you lost it, I resent the TG.

Mmmkay.

Oh, and check the History Forums in aboot half an hour. Mmmkay?

Mmmkay.

Oh, and check the History Forums in aboot half an hour. Mmmkay?

Okay.

Okay.

Check now!

Check now!

I did. Have a look at my reply and let me know what you think.

I did. Have a look at my reply and let me know what you think.

I did :D

1. I want to amend the voting process, but I want to hear your reaction first before I do so (in the name of fairness):

I have made in it the current rules that I cannot vote on Motions, but I realize that my nation's people may not exactly like the fact that they cannot vote on Motions (which will be implemented in their nation). So I thought that the voting process could be amended as follows:

-The nation who proposes the current Motion up for vote will be assumed as voting "yes" for the particular Motion, unless it declares so otherwise.

2. I want to start an international sporting event similar to the Olympics in the Confederacy. This would be open to all members of the Confederacy and the area where it is hosted will rotate among the members.

Thoughts?

I think that would be acceptable.

-Hawdawg

As does Cotland.

Ive just arrived in the Mediterranean now since my takeover of Spain and Portugal (details coming soon) and I noticed that I should probably be involved in this thread in some way. Hi my fellow Mediterraneans!

Hello! You can join the Confederacy. We'd be more than happy to have you as an ally.

The nation who proposes the current Motion up for vote will be assumed as voting "yes" for the particular Motion, unless it declares so otherwise.

Just to let everyone know, I've amended the voting to include this rule.

Just to let everyone know, I've amended the voting to include this rule.

Understood and accepted by Cotland

Perfectly agreeable with that.

-Hawdawg

Thanks.

Hello! You can join the Confederacy. We'd be more than happy to have you as an ally.

Grand!

Im in!

You've been given the password.

EDIT- Now, for the record, all we're missing of the old Roman territories are Israel, Lebanon, France, the Low Countries and Algeria. This is getting closer and closer to the Confederation I imagined (an alliance of all the former Roman areas).

Our lands may be small, but the people of Liebermonk would like to join The Roman Confederacy. We currently control Liechenstein as our base on Earth, and this alliance seems to be in our best interest. Please, let us know if we are accepted or not.

OOC: it may be a tiny piece of land, but it was still part of the Roman empire!

My bad. You'll be TG'd the password for the forum. You are in.

You've been given the password.

EDIT- Now, for the record, all we're missing of the old Roman territories are Israel, Lebanon, France, the Low Countries and Algeria. This is getting closer and closer to the Confederation I imagined (an alliance of all the former Roman areas).

The Confederation will still exist even if the mentioned territories don't wish to join, right?

The Confederation will still exist even if the mentioned territories don't wish to join, right?

Right. I'd love to have them in, but the Confederation will soldier on without them if they so choose.

Right. I'd love to have them in, but the Confederation will soldier on without them if they so choose.

Yep. I've noticed that IDF (owns Israel) don't seem to be active in Earth II. So, I doubt that he will participate..

Yep. I've noticed that IDF (owns Israel) don't seem to be active in Earth II. So, I doubt that he will participate..

OOC: Shhh...don't tell anyone, but I want Israel for myself.

OOC: Shhh...don't tell anyone, but I want Israel for myself.

ooc: ok

From: Gintonpar Envoy to the Roman Confederacy

To: All members of the Roman Confederacy

Subject: Joint Maritime Defence Initiative

Nations of the Roman Confederacy. These are troubled times that we live in, what with piracy on the increase and the very real threat it poses to our nations trade and safety. What we are proposing is an initiative that will allow us to extend our dominance of the Mediterrenean, safeguard our trade, raise our readiness for joint naval warfare, and protect our countries from seaborne invasion or threat. We propose that our navies work together in patrols and exercises to build readiness for the time when we may have to fight and die together to protect our nations. If we do not make this initiative, then if we are called upon to co-ordinate naval operations between our countries, we may be found wanting in the areas of command and logistics of our joint forces.

Furthermore we propose heavy co-operation between our navies. For example, the patrolling of the coast of Itay would normally be undertaken solely by the navy of RomeW. Under our proposal, one nation would contribute a portion of its fleet to transfer to the command of RomeW for one year. This would encourage co-operation between the two navies, and would also foster strong links and forge strong bonds between the navies of the nations involved. The next year another nation would contribute some of its navy to patrol RomeW's waters, while every year RomeW would be contributing some of its navy to the patrolling of another country. RomeW would also send a portion of its fleet to a different country every year. This is only in principle and does not neccessarily apply to RomeW at all. It is just an example. The main part of this would be to encourage the sharing of experience and different tactics and it would make it easier for the nations to co-operate were they ever on operations together in the future.

Another aim of this initiative is to promote the sharing of naval technology and tactics. All new naval weapons would be made available only to Confederacy members, thus pressuring others inside the old Roman territories but still outside the Confederacy to apply for membership, if they do not wish to be isolated from new naval developments. Also joint exercises would be planned, aiding the co-ordination of the naval air arm, navies, and amphibious and airborne assault elements of the navies of the different nations of the Roman Confederacy. This would enable a chain-of-command to be easily set up during times of crisis as a Grand Admiral would be appointed to the undisputed command of our joint navies if they were called together for operations. We are not advocating one navy for the Confederacy, quite the opposite. We are suggesting that a Grand Admiral would be appointed to organise joint naval exercises and, if neccessary, command a joint force of Confederacy naval power for any operations that we undertake together. This would remove the problem of having several people in command, as all nations would agree to the authority of the Grand Admiral.

Anyway, we hope the points that we have put forward will meet with the approval of the members of the Confederacy. They are neccesary to protect the sovereignty of our nations, our individuality, and the rights of our citizens to be free from foreign rule. They will also extend our influence over the Mediterrenean, which is a very important goal for all of us I am sure. Please consider this proposal.

If it is accepted in principal, we will draw up a more formal agreement (e.g. 'Article 1' etc). Then, if the formal agreement is ratified, we will all be assured that the Confederacy is safe, and that it will prosper under new standards of maritime security.

Deepest Regards,
The Imperial Principality of Gintonpar

From: Gintonpar Envoy to the Roman Confederacy

To: All members of the Roman Confederacy

Subject: Joint Maritime Defence Initiative

Nations of the Roman Confederacy. These are troubled times that we live in, what with piracy on the increase and the very real threat it poses to our nations trade and safety. What we are proposing is an initiative that will allow us to extend our dominance of the Mediterrenean, safeguard our trade, raise our readiness for joint naval warfare, and protect our countries from seaborne invasion or threat. We propose that our navies work together in patrols and exercises to build readiness for the time when we may have to fight and die together to protect our nations. If we do not make this initiative, then if we are called upon to co-ordinate naval operations between our countries, we may be found wanting in the areas of command and logistics of our joint forces.

Furthermore we propose heavy co-operation between our navies. For example, the patrolling of the coast of Itay would normally be undertaken solely by the navy of RomeW. Under our proposal, one nation would contribute a portion of its fleet to transfer to the command of RomeW for one year. This would encourage co-operation between the two navies, and would also foster strong links and forge strong bonds between the navies of the nations involved. The next year another nation would contribute some of its navy to patrol RomeW's waters, while every year RomeW would be contributing some of its navy to the patrolling of another country. RomeW would also send a portion of its fleet to a different country every year. This is only in principle and does not neccessarily apply to RomeW at all. It is just an example. The main part of this would be to encourage the sharing of experience and different tactics and it would make it easier for the nations to co-operate were they ever on operations together in the future.

Another aim of this initiative is to promote the sharing of naval technology and tactics. All new naval weapons would be made available only to Confederacy members, thus pressuring others inside the old Roman territories but still outside the Confederacy to apply for membership, if they do not wish to be isolated from new naval developments. Also joint exercises would be planned, aiding the co-ordination of the naval air arm, navies, and amphibious and airborne assault elements of the navies of the different nations of the Roman Confederacy. This would enable a chain-of-command to be easily set up during times of crisis as a Grand Admiral would be appointed to the undisputed command of our joint navies if they were called together for operations. We are not advocating one navy for the Confederacy, quite the opposite. We are suggesting that a Grand Admiral would be appointed to organise joint naval exercises and, if neccessary, command a joint force of Confederacy naval power for any operations that we undertake together. This would remove the problem of having several people in command, as all nations would agree to the authority of the Grand Admiral.

Anyway, we hope the points that we have put forward will meet with the approval of the members of the Confederacy. They are neccesary to protect the sovereignty of our nations, our individuality, and the rights of our citizens to be free from foreign rule. They will also extend our influence over the Mediterrenean, which is a very important goal for all of us I am sure. Please consider this proposal.

If it is accepted in principal, we will draw up a more formal agreement (e.g. 'Article 1' etc). Then, if the formal agreement is ratified, we will all be assured that the Confederacy is safe, and that it will prosper under new standards of maritime security.

Deepest Regards,
The Imperial Principality of Gintonpar


OOC: Uh, is this up for votes on the forum?

IC: The Islamic Carthaginian Empire believes that this is an excelent proposal! We have just one question...who will patrol our Indian Waters?

OOC: Uh, is this up for votes on the forum?

IC: The Islamic Carthaginian Empire believes that this is an excelent proposal! We have just one question...who will patrol our Indian Waters?

IC: In case you don't remember, fellow member, Cotland has a rather large naval base in the Indian Ocean (Lakshadweep Islands).

Cotland concurs with the Islamic Chartaginian Empire.

OOC: Uh, is this up for votes on the forum?

IC: The Islamic Carthaginian Empire believes that this is an excelent proposal! We have just one question...who will patrol our Indian Waters?

No, not up for votes. This is just the proposal in principle. If it gains widespread approval then we can iron out the details later. Thanks for your support though!

IC: In case you don't remember, fellow member, Cotland has a rather large naval base in the Indian Ocean (Lakshadweep Islands).

Cotland concurs with the Islamic Chartaginian Empire.

We would sort out the details of patrolling eachothers waters not by proximity, but by a rota, whereby a maximum number of navies would gain experiences of the other navies operating practices. Thanks for your support as well Cotland!

We would sort out the details of patrolling eachothers waters not by proximity, but by a rota, whereby a maximum number of navies would gain experiences of the other navies operating practices. Thanks for your support as well Cotland!


Well, I have three navies(The Mediterranean Navy, the Arabian Navy, and the Bengal Navy), so would I have to send them all to other countries, or just one or two? Since I believe my people would probably feel safer if they knew that at least ONE of my navies was defending them, instead of some strange people from Germany or something.

I would like to join this alliance

I would like to join this alliance
Do you have any Earth II claims?

Well, I have three navies(The Mediterranean Navy, the Arabian Navy, and the Bengal Navy), so would I have to send them all to other countries, or just one or two? Since I believe my people would probably feel safer if they knew that at least ONE of my navies was defending them, instead of some strange people from Germany or something.


I believe you are missing the point. Your duties would not be taken over, they would simply be augmented by other ships. You are'nt just letting someone else patrol YOUR coastline. For example, use part of your Mediterrenean Navy to go on patrol with another country, for example in Spain with me, Gintonpar, then use the Bengal Navy and the Arabian Navy to patrol your territories aided by another nations navy, e.g. Cotland, or me, or RomeW.

I believe you are missing the point. Your duties would not be taken over, they would simply be augmented by other ships. You are'nt just letting someone else patrol YOUR coastline. For example, use part of your Mediterrenean Navy to go on patrol with another country, for example in Spain with me, Gintonpar, then use the Bengal Navy and the Arabian Navy to patrol your territories aided by another nations navy, e.g. Cotland, or me, or RomeW.

Oh, so you'll just be sending like 5 or 10 ships to go patrol someone elses waters, and your ships will be replaced by 5 or ten of someone elses?

Oh, so you'll just be sending like 5 or 10 ships to go patrol someone elses waters, and your ships will be replaced by 5 or ten of someone elses?

Yea! That way you will still have your patrol duties done, but ties will be made with the other Navy and you will know more about their operating practices and tactics, which you can then learn from. It will basically build strong relationships between the two navies while providing the same level of security :)

Yea! That way you will still have your patrol duties done, but ties will be made with the other Navy and you will know more about their operating practices and tactics, which you can then learn from. It will basically build strong relationships between the two navies while providing the same level of security :)

But what if it leads to a searing hatred that tears the alliance apart and plunges it into the depths of an inter-alliance war?

But what if it leads to a searing hatred that tears the alliance apart and plunges it into the depths of an inter-alliance war?

I doubt that a searing hatred will be caused by something as mundane as an exchange of patrol duties. Anyway, the people involved in the dispute would be accountable to the rest of the Confederacy. I doubt it would come to that. Do you support my proposal then?

How about the other members of the Confederacy? What are you thoughts? Are you agreeable to it? (its the Maritime Defence post I did last page btw)

But what if it leads to a searing hatred that tears the alliance apart and plunges it into the depths of an inter-alliance war?

Is that likely? Besides, I'm sure that some member of the Confederecy will be willing to be host for negotiations (couldn't find a better word) if that should be the case....

Is that likely? Besides, I'm sure that some member of the Confederecy will be willing to be host for negotiations (couldn't find a better word) if that should be the case....

Dude, its practically impossible, joint operations and patrols happen in RL all the time. Besides, no-one is likely to fall out over something as mundane as patrolling.

OOC: I should probably mention my nation is simply referred to as "Rome". The "W" is just there to signify it's the "Western" Roman Empire from RL history.

Also, what's up for vote is the free trade Motion that I put forward.

I'd also like to know how much longer I should have the Motion up for vote.

IC: I like the propsal. I say we put it up for vote next.

OOC: I should probably mention my nation is simply referred to as "Rome". The "W" is just there to signify it's the "Western" Roman Empire from RL history.

Also, what's up for vote is the free trade Motion that I put forward.

I'd also like to know how much longer I should have the Motion up for vote.

IC: I like the propsal. I say we put it up for vote next.

We should have a set time the vote is available, example: 5 days per vote.

Agreed. For this particular Motion, should we say the end of the week and that's it? Also, should we have it that 66% of nations who vote (not of the membership) is needed for a Motion to pass?

Agreed. For this particular Motion, should we say the end of the week and that's it? Also, should we have it that 66% of nations who vote (not of the membership) is needed for a Motion to pass?
That sounds ok to me... BTW, check the discussion thread at the Confederacy forum..

Will do.

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg wishes to express support for the joint-operations agreement. The nation of Cotland and Hawdawg already have an intelligence sharing cooperative on Piracy/Drug Interdiction. We intercepted a Drug Running Group "The Opium Gods" and realized cooperation was the only sane thing to do to stamp out the drug trade across our waterways. A question that was proposed earlier whom would patrol the Indian Ocean, we are currently constructing two large naval bases in the region (South Africa and Southern India). These bases would be a perfect jumping off point for Indian Ocean Operations. We have a large naval presence available for this task.

Sincerely,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Rome, check ur TG's.

Responded.

Rome, check ur TG's or go Here! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7922415#post7922415)

Responded.

So are we putting the Joint Maritime Defence Initiative up for the vote? It seems to have gained enough support. Tell me if its going up for the vote then i'll formalise it and post it wherever it needs to go for people to vote on it.

So are we putting the Joint Maritime Defence Initiative up for the vote? It seems to have gained enough support. Tell me if its going up for the vote then i'll formalise it and post it wherever it needs to go for people to vote on it.

It'll be up for vote at the end of the week. Post the Motion on Layarteb's forum.

It'll be up for vote at the end of the week. Post the Motion on Layarteb's forum.

Righto. A formal version will follow Layarteb's forums forthwith.

Okay. Ive made a formal version on the Layarteb forums. Take a read of the finished article and then get voting guys!

Thanks,
Gintonpar

I've just addressed a few issues with the Joint Maritime Defense Initiative on the Cofederacy forums. All you guys should go check it out.

I've just addressed a few issues with the Joint Maritime Defense Initiative on the Cofederacy forums. All you guys should go check it out.

I've answered your questions with a reply at the bottom of the page. Hopefully it makes it acceptable.

Recognizing the unity of this confederacy, and recents aggresions against The Emperor and other countries (myself) in Earth(II), The Knight Templars propose a Praetorian Guard.
It would consist of nations within the confederacy who were pledged to protect others as a main service, but it would also be largely be ceremonial.
Just an idea.

Recognizing the unity of this confederacy, and recents aggresions against The Emperor and other countries (myself) in Earth(II), The Knight Templars propose a Praetorian Guard.
It would consist of nations within the confederacy who were pledged to protect others as a main service, but it would also be largely be ceremonial.
Just an idea.

OOC: Are you still under attack? Because protecting our members is one of the foundations the Confederacy is based upon. Submit the idea on the forum anyway.

CODE RED: Confederacy help required immediately:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7937475

Yeah, um, :sniper: seem to have forgotten the password . . .
But as the current situation in Sicily with TLS illustrates, the previously mentioned Praetorian Guard could be extremely beneficial, and the current conflict would probably be better off.

But its just wasting troops on 'ceremonial duties' as you said yourself. There are'nt any ceremony's in this Roman Empire. The men and material spent on a Praetorian Guard would be better employed buying tanks and munitions. You don't see the SAS standing in purple robes guarding the Queen. Also it would have to be a multi-national unit if it wasnt to be accused of bias. And unless you have a troop of multi-linguists then its going to be impossible to get orders across in a practical sense, you would have a Knights Templar officer giving orders to troops from Cotland, speaking a totally different language, anyway, whats the motive for dyeing for the Emperor? He is just a figurehead for the Confederacy and even if he does have power over Rome, who wants to die for another country's monarch? Basically its just impractical, the resources would be better spent on equipping front line units than hiring uniformed guards for the Emperor. If you want to guard the Emperor then men in black suits are better than conspicous soldiers.

Yeah, um, :sniper: seem to have forgotten the password . . .
But as the current situation in Sicily with TLS illustrates, the previously mentioned Praetorian Guard could be extremely beneficial, and the current conflict would probably be better off.

Perhaps...after the whole situation in Sicily is resolved we'll discuss your Proposal. You going to send any troops?

I urge all members of the Confederacy to send military aid. It's needed desperately!

I would like to propose the Confederacy Schedule a Joint Military Exercise of all the member nations. We are willing to host this event and would like to have a combined land, sea, and air event. We can iron out our logistical problems, communications, weapons conflicts, etc. before we actually have to fight as a "Unit" again.

Please let me know if you are interested.

-Hawdawg

*EMERGENCY MEETING CALLED*

Due to the events in Cuba, we feel that we must call an emergency session of the Roman Confederacy, as we feel that the entire existence of the alliance is at stake. One nation has already pulled out of the alliance and we fear there may be others who will do the same. So, therefore, we must discuss the situation and resolve this to the best of our abilities, for the sake of the Confederacy.

We want every member of the Confederacy to tell us their side of the conflict, and we will invite the nation of Samtonia and their allies to do the same here. Your contribution is important because the unity of the alliance is at stake.

(Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385331&page=3&pp=40 )

The Imperial Army is on its way!

Uh, where is the thread?

Rome, ya got a TG.

Cotland has dispatched a fleet, but it has stopped, awaiting the results of the authencity of the Samtonian evidences against Binthor.

It is Cotlands belief that if Binthor fired the first shot, he cannot claim the assistance of the Roman Confederacy.

If said evidences are true, the Cottish fleet will return to Palermo and Cotland will remain neutral.

If the evidences are found to be fakes, Cotland will send the fleet on to Cuba.

Cotland has dispatched a fleet, but it has stopped, awaiting the results of the authencity of the Samtonian evidences against Binthor.

It is Cotlands belief that if Binthor fired the first shot, he cannot claim the assistance of the Roman Confederacy.

If said evidences are true, the Cottish fleet will return to Palermo and Cotland will remain neutral.

If the evidences are found to be fakes, Cotland will send the fleet on to Cuba.

This is our stance, which is why we are also conducting an investigation into the matter ourselves. If it is indeed a Binthorian attack then we are under no obligation to help out (as we are a defensive alliance, not an imperialistic one), but if the evidence is false then we will proceed with assistance.

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg has four battle fleets in the Southern Atlantic currently running a mock naval exercise. We too will hold off sending the fleet into action until sufficient evidence on the incident can be produced by either party. We have a network of intelligence operatives that are working closely with Cotlands Intel people as we speak. If Binthor is in the wrong we will not support them. Wars are often fought on half-truths and bad circumstances, we will not act if it is unjust.

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

the policy of Samtonia was and always has been that this is something between ourselves and Binthor. Binthor's aggression created the situation, Binthor's vessels moved out of the harbor, and Binthor currently occupies this Cuban area. We were perfectly willing to keep this strictly a Caribbean issue, namely that between Binthor and Samtonia.

And then you had to decide to come join in. Why do you think your alliance is in danger of falling apart at this time? Policing the world won't work for you and it won't work for anyone. Your alliance's original goal was to unite Mediterranean nations under one banner. Does the Caribbean appear Mediterranean to you?

Samtonia wishes your alliance no harm and indeed hopes yuo remain a viable force. However, this clashes directly with both our and your interest in Cuba. We have allies now, we have the moral right to strike Binthor, and we are growing more prepared every day. If you choose to follow this unjust attack upon Samtonia and Samtonian interests and safety, the battle will be long and bloody. But this does not, should not have to be.

Return to your alliance's original roots. Become a defensive alliance- for the Mediterranean. Leave this between Samtonia and Binthor. If you don't get involved, Samtonia's allies will not get involved. This can easily lead to a peaceful settlement between Binthor and Samtonia. This is, however, in your hands. Save the alliance you formed or attack the morally correct side in this action. Seems like an easy choice, the actions of TLS notwithstanding.

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/2360/CarlVanderhovenMinisterofEconomics.jpg
Carl Vanderhoven, Minister of Foreign Affairs

First of all, as Binthor has been attacked our first instinct is to protect our ally, since Binthor is a Confederacy member. Our alliance is meant to be a Mediterranean one, yes, but as the nations within the Confederacy control territory outside of the Confederacy our alliance extends beyond the Mediterranean. However, we would like to point out the Confederacy's goal is not to police the world but rather to ensure that our members- wherever they are- will be completely protected from danger, and thus do not look for war.

Second of all, we have yet to hear from Binthor. Since these are serious allegations we would like to hear from both sides of the argument before taking a stand. So far, all we have heard from is you, and thus are only getting your version of the events. Because of this, we are only getting a biased view (even if it is a minor bias) and, thus, do not hold the allegations as *completely* true. Once Binthor replies then we will be able to better gague your allegations.

Third of all, we have further suspicions regarding your story. It is widely known that your nation has become imperialistic in the Carribbean, and we believe that Cuba is merely the next province to be annexed. As a result, we suspect that you may use any situation as an excuse to invade Cuba, using whatever dubious claim you can come up with. Therefore, we are hesitant in declaring Binthor the aggressor, having the belief- however faint- that you are the aggressor and are bending the truth to justify your imperialistic ambitions. Now, all the evidence we have is our own convictions which is hardly irrefutable, but until we are shown conclusive and unbiased evidence in this matter we will still have our doubts over your story.

OOC: Would it be all right if I sent an exploration team to the crash site? I want them to figure in the investigation.

OOC: I have been away for sometime so can somebody update me on whats going on right now?

OOC: I have been away for sometime so can somebody update me on whats going on right now?

Two Samtonian cruise liners collided off the coast of Cuba, killing tens of thousands. Samtonia released a report that alleges that Binthor, a Confederacy member, attacked those cruise ships and is using it to justify an invasion and annexation of Cuba. Since Samtonia has allies that are within the Confederacy, the situation in Cuba may threaten the Confederacy's unity if the Confederacy- as it stands- decides to attack Samtonia.

This is the Samtonian Press Release:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8017077&postcount=73

As of now, the Confederacy has not taken any action against Samtonia, as the Samtonians have promised to present better evidence at a conference later. Also, Rome is conducting its own investigation into the matter, as our government believes that Samtonia, due to its imperialistic past, may be faking the evidence just to attack Binthor. However, since that is just a hunch, Rome will not take a definitive stand against Samtonia until we gather all the evidence.

OOC: Would it be all right if I sent an exploration team to the crash site? I want them to figure in the investigation.

[OOC- Ummm......nope, not really at this time. I don't know what will happen in the hours until the official announcement, but right now, it's a running battle in the streets of Guantanmo naval Base, with smoke blocking out any viewing from above, satellite or spyplane. It's chaos, Samtonian ships would probably still be firing on targets of opportunity, and there should be warplanes overhead right now. So I'd advise against it. Of course, this could be all moot, if Binthor does something unexpected. So unfortunately, you're not going to be able to investigate.

However, you'll get to see the lovely evidence at the conference being held three days after the official announcement had been made. Oh, and one more thing. We never actually annexed anything in the Caribbean. At all. We just moved some fleets around and threatened some people a bit. Flexed muscle in the region. Etc. You may want to edit your post a bit to reflect this....]

[OOC- Ummm......nope, not really at this time. I don't know what will happen in the hours until the official announcement, but right now, it's a running battle in the streets of Guantanmo naval Base, with smoke blocking out any viewing from above, satellite or spyplane. It's chaos, Samtonian ships would probably still be firing on targets of opportunity, and there should be warplanes overhead right now. So I'd advise against it. Of course, this could be all moot, if Binthor does something unexpected. So unfortunately, you're not going to be able to investigate.

However, you'll get to see the lovely evidence at the conference being held three days after the official announcement had been made. Oh, and one more thing. We never actually annexed anything in the Caribbean. At all. We just moved some fleets around and threatened some people a bit. Flexed muscle in the region. Etc. You may want to edit your post a bit to reflect this....]

OOC: Okay. So let me understand this: all you did was make some sort of declaration that you're in the area and that's it. Correct?

OCC: So when is Binthor gonna weigh in on all this? This has been a one-sided conversation for quite some time now.

-Hawdawg

OCC: So when is Binthor gonna weigh in on all this? This has been a one-sided conversation for quite some time now.

-Hawdawg

ooc: He hasn't been online for a week.

OCC: So when is Binthor gonna weigh in on all this? This has been a one-sided conversation for quite some time now.

-Hawdawg

OOC: That's what I'm waiting on too.

By the way, Samtonia: I am going to edit my stance. I just haven't the time right now (two essays... :( )

OCC: If I had to be gone for whatever reason I think I would post something stating I would be absent especially with a potential threatening situation looming on the horizon. It just doesn't seem right that all the mud keeps piling up at his door without an answer.

-Hawdawg

Okay, I think we need to hold elections for Chairman of the Confederacy. Now, as per the Confederacy's guidelines I cannot run, but everyone else can. If you are interested, then state your interest below. Thanks.

I just want everyone to know that North Germania has requested Confederacy help. I'll post the link soon.

I'll go in there and help him out, don't worry about that (OOC: not right now because I'll be off to bed soon)- but I do want to get Chariman elections rolling as well.

I'll go in there and help him out, don't worry about that (OOC: not right now because I'll be off to bed soon)- but I do want to get Chariman elections rolling as well.

OK. You and me both. Anyway, I'm not too sure whether I'm gonna nominate someone just yet...

OK. You and me both. Anyway, I'm not too sure whether I'm gonna nominate someone just yet...

You're allowed to nominate yourself. I just can't run.

I nominate myself!

Anyhoo...

What's the deal with NG?

I nominate myself!

Anyhoo...

What's the deal with NG?

He's asking for help, 'cause of Aquatian (sp?) attacks against his troops.

He's asking for help, 'cause of Aquatian (sp?) attacks against his troops.

MMkay.

WEll, can't help now.

I have to go to that place...where you learn stuff...and study...and...run around in circles....

MMkay.

WEll, can't help now.

I have to go to that place...where you learn stuff...and study...and...run around in circles....

Aha... good luck in school... (????)

Give me a link to the North Germania threat and I will send a massive drop Airborne troops and my newly formed Urban Combat divisions.


-Hawdawg

*bump* Still looking for nominations for Chairman...so far, all we have is The Lightning Star.

Also, Cotland: can we get an update on the situation in Belarus, and can you please link the thread here?

I also want to say in the future if Confederacy help is needed anywhere the thread needs to be posted here.

I would respectfully offer Mr. David Carr as Chairman of the Confederacy. Mr. Carr is a retired Hawdawg District Court Judge and very adapt at solving delicate issues between parties. He won three seperate awards from the BAR Association as best Jurist in Hawdawg.


Respectfully Submitted,


Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

*bump* Still looking for nominations for Chairman...so far, all we have is The Lightning Star.

Also, Cotland: can we get an update on the situation in Belarus, and can you please link the thread here?

I also want to say in the future if Confederacy help is needed anywhere the thread needs to be posted here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390422

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390422

Thanks Cotland. I've already replied to it.

(I didn't mean for my answer to take this long...got caught up in other things)

Anyway, so we have two people who will run for Chairman. They are:

-Carthage (The Lightning Star)
-Hawdawg

Any more that want to apply? I'll leave the nominations open until Sunday.

This might be interested to a few RC members:

Imperial Mediterranean Alliance Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8138848#post8138848)

Its also open to RC members.

Anyone else here play Rome: Total War?

'Cuz I am working on a (simple) Mod, that could be... interesting to alliance members.

Anyone else here play Rome: Total War?

'Cuz I am working on a (simple) Mod, that could be... interesting to alliance members.

Aye, I play Rome: Total War... Though I have to fix it. It won't start for some reason. May have to reinstall it.

That's where I get most of my quotes from. That, and Michael Crichton books.

Aye, I play Rome: Total War... Though I have to fix it. It won't start for some reason. May have to reinstall it.

That's where I get most of my quotes from. That, and Michael Crichton books.

^^.

*bump* Okay, so we have two people who will be running for Chairman. I'll allow voting both here and on the Layarteb forums.

I just got Rome-TW, please tell me you get to do more than just the three Roman factions

Oh yeah, thanks for not all going to war against me with the USSR

OOC: You play more civilizations once you advance during the game. I play it all the time, excellent game IMO. Just so I don't post just an OOC message I might as well.

IC:
The Empire's territories border many of the Roman Confederacy lands, therefore we wish to establish a free trade agreement in Africa. We believe that this will be the best course to restore African territories into a more stable and economically powerful colony. We await your response.
George Tuman
Department of Economics

I just got Rome-TW, please tell me you get to do more than just the three Roman factions

Oh yeah, thanks for not all going to war against me with the USSR

In response to yer Rome comment.

Yes and no. After conquering a certain nation(such as Carthage, the Gauls, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Seleucids, the Germans, and the Britons) you can play as that faction. If you beat the campaign, you get all the playabe factions. However, to get all the factions(including Pontus, Iberia, Numidia, Macedon, etc), you have to download a mod. A good download site is rtw.heavengames.com. Just look on the side-bar.

Man, I really need to get out more...

Rome, since i have half of sicily now, may I join?

Rome, since i have half of sicily now, may I join?

Where'd you get the half of Sicily?

Where'd you get the half of Sicily?
Cotland sold it to him.

Cotland sold it to him.

Ah, okieday.

Oh, and haveth ye s33n t3h rebellion thread?

Ah well, I'm gonna sleep nao. Toodles.

Ah, okieday.

Oh, and haveth ye s33n t3h rebellion thread?

Ah well, I'm gonna sleep nao. Toodles.
Yeah. I'm afraid my participation in that one will be minimal for the week. I have an eight-page paper due on March 22 that I haven't even researched for that I have to get started on. So that will take up most of my week.

ooc:jsut to make it official...

IC: THe Dominion will now officialy request to join the alliance being that it owns part of algeria.

ooc:jsut to make it official...

IC: THe Dominion will now officialy request to join the alliance being that it owns part of algeria.

The Empire of Cotland supports the admission of the Dominion into the Confederacy.

The Empire of Cotland supports the admission of the Dominion into the Confederacy.

Thank you. They have been admitted. I TG'ed them the password and told Duke Barol to save the TG just so they don't lose the password.

Thank you. They have been admitted. I TG'ed them the password and told Duke Barol to save the TG just so they don't lose the password.

It's still the same password right? If not, please TG me the new one.

Still the same one. Layarteb sets the password, not me.

Still the same one. Layarteb sets the password, not me.
kk. good.

where is the forum?

Official Communique
_________________________________________________________________

We regret to inform the Roman Confederacy that we have after much deliberation decided it is in the best interests of our nation to officially resign from membership at this time. Current trends and policies in Hawdawg dictate this resignation. We have no ill-will towards the Group and wish it a prosperous and successful future. We might reconsider membership at a later time.

Sincerely,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Official Communique
_________________________________________________________________

We regret to inform the Roman Confederacy that we have after much deliberation decided it is in the best interests of our nation to officially resign from membership at this time. Current trends and policies in Hawdawg dictate this resignation. We have no ill-will towards the Group and wish it a prosperous and successful future. We might reconsider membership at a later time.

Sincerely,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

May we ask what problems you have with the Confederacy? Because if you have any issues with Confederacy policy we'd like to resolve them. I'd hate to lose a valuable ally.

May we ask what problems you have with the Confederacy? Because if you have any issues with Confederacy policy we'd like to resolve them. I'd hate to lose a valuable ally.

We remain a staunch ally of many of the members within the Confederacy, but we feel it is best we step outside of the restrictions of the charter for we must do what we must do in a time of war. We felt it would be wrong to violate articles of the charter, if the situation presents itself. We whole-heartedly back what you have done for the region and will remain a true friend to RomeW, Cotland, and North Germania. You have our support and we will provide a vigil to support your efforts as a broker of peace. Our representative will remain in Rome to act as a liason between our governments and will call upon you to offer the olive branch of peace when needed.

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg


OOC: sent you a TG RomeW

OOC: sent you a TG RomeW

Replied.

Okay- this World War has thrown a lot of things for a loop. There's a lot of wars between members and it's giving me a massive headache. So, basically, I want to know what's going on with the Confederacy- is everyone still on board? Is there anyone who's left that I don't know about? How can it be reformed? Please- I need everyone to weigh in here.

Okay- this World War has thrown a lot of things for a loop. There's a lot of wars between members and it's giving me a massive headache. So, basically, I want to know what's going on with the Confederacy- is everyone still on board? Is there anyone who's left that I don't know about? How can it be reformed? Please- I need everyone to weigh in here.

I'm still here!

(Oh, and by the way, do you still own Rome and Latium? Because if ye do, you have to tell Layarteb. The map makes it look like I own the entire friggen peninsula. Which isn't bad for me, but for you...)

I'm still in. If you need help organizing anything, let me know.

I'm still in.

Hawdawg wishes to reapply for membership


We have settled our differences with former Confederacy members and are now willing to rejoin the group.

Humbly submitted,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

The Lightning Star: I'm attempting to sort that out with Layarteb right now, especially since I can't really "be" the Roman Empire without Rome. It's still weird to think that I have Carthage right on my doorstep, but hey, that's just what makes Earth II that much more interesting.

Cotland: Noted.

North Germania: Noted. I'll also address the organization point below.

Hawdawg: Readmitted. Glad to see you back.

I want to take the opportunity to stress the importance to define the future outlook of the Confederacy- I envisioned it as a strong, unified alliance, and, frankly, I'm not really seeing it. Some of you- such as the three of you who posted just now- have actually been serious about the alliance and have been active in it, and I thank you for that. Others, however, seem to have signed up and then just completely forgot about it. I think it isn't unreasonable to ask that if you sign up for something you at least show some sense of commitment to it.

Of particular note, I noticed that several of you seem too quick to go to war with other members to resolve their problems (which is against the Charter, but I don't want to go that route), instead of looking to resolve our matters peacefully and actually working together to resolve our differences, which is what an alliance is supposed to do. Some of you are willing to work together and I applaud that, but there appears to still be some (for the lack of a better word) discrimination by some members over who they're willing to work things over with, and I really want to resolve that once and for all.

So, I come to all of you- how can we do this? How can we ensure that we avoid war between members, as that only serves to fracture the unity of the Confederacy? I realize that unity in such a large structure such as our alliance is a difficult task, but we can achieve it if we work at it. Together we own over 17 million square miles of land- that is 29% of the Earth's entire surface. We entered the alliance knowing that we are stronger together than on our own, and, if we work together, we can form one of the- if not the- strongest political unit the Earth has ever seen. However, we must work together, and, starting today, I want us to work towards the goal of strengthing our unity and avoiding military conflicts between us. So now I ask- how can we do it?

In my honest opinion, I feel that the Confederacy should reduce its numbers. It is clear that the majority of the members are people who, to be sincere, don't give a s*** about the alliance. It's like certain nations in Earth II, who grab land and don't do anything. They just want to have the land, but don't give anything in return.

As we saw when I got invaded by one of TLS' many political fractions, only a few of the nations in the Confederacy came to my aide. That included Rome, Hawdawg and yet another fraction of TLS. This is proof of my argument above.

As a result, we should inquire as to who is willing to remain in the alliance in exchange for being active. Anyone who isn't active should be ejected. It has been proven here in NationStates that über-large alliances aren't that powerful, because several of the members either ignore calls for help, or think that "since there are so many members, why should I get involved?" (keep in mind that there are exceptions from this example). This mentality has to be stopped.

Therefore I propose the following:

1) We ask each and every member of the alliance still in Earth II if they wish to retain their membership. The only demand is that they are active in the alliance.

2) Any member not active for, say 14 days, is ejected from the alliance because of a lack of interest. Naturally there are excuses from not participating, but then the member in question would have to request a LOA.

3) Retain the original principle of Mediterranian defense and trade.

I don't know how big I am in paring things down (because the smaller the alliance the weaker its strength), but it may just be time to get tough a little because I agree Cotland, we need some participation. I initially began this as an open call to see who's still in and who's not, and it's still a question that I want answered. I'm also curious as to what route the Confederacy should take- should we go the European Union route (trade being the primary focus) or the NATO route (defence being the primary focus), or a mixture of both?

EDIT- For what it's worth, Gintonpar was in on Marsala as well. I don't remember anyone else that you or I might have missed.

I think most of the nations within the confederacy are large enough that they don't need to call for military aide unless they are being attacked by 3 or 4 other large nations. This would tend to point towards a diplomatically trade based union. I for one would love to expand RP's on trade issues, national issues, etc. These topics are deep and can be explored in a number of ways. War is what it is. You shoot at me I shoot at you. This leads to large spans of inactivity between actions. Which in turn causes a lack of participation. I just think economic issues for this alliance would be easier to develop and participate in.

My two cents.

-Hawdawg

I think most of the nations within the confederacy are large enough that they don't need to call for military aide unless they are being attacked by 3 or 4 other large nations. This would tend to point towards a diplomatically trade based union. I for one would love to expand RP's on trade issues, national issues, etc. These topics are deep and can be explored in a number of ways. War is what it is. You shoot at me I shoot at you. This leads to large spans of inactivity between actions. Which in turn causes a lack of participation. I just think economic issues for this alliance would be easier to develop and participate in.

My two cents.

-Hawdawg

I was actually hoping we'd be able to develop the economic and trade links and sort out the other organizational kinks before we actually went off and had to deal with any wars, but the World War kind of got in the way of that. I know that this would be a better alliance if we knew just exactly what membership in the alliance means, and what is expected out of every members' participation in it, and defining that takes time. I agree with you that maybe we need to review the "an attack on one is an attack on all" policy, but I don't think it should be scrapped entirely.

Response to your request posted on the Confederacy Forum over at Layarteb's forum.

-Hawdawg

If this alliance IS active, please post in the main Earth II thread or else it will be stricken from the RP list by Friday, September 9, 2005.