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In a amazing bill pushed through the Peoples Senate in record time thanks to Premier Dufour, tax paying citizens will now recieve yearly checks of $2616.32.

This money comes from the $5,054,730,618,672.00 left after all government programs are funded. Premier Dufour had the following to say about the new bill:

My council on Economic Growth and I have been working on this bill for more than 2 years now. We were looking for a way to stimulate the economy even more in Communist Louisiana without having to decrease on any other government programs when it came to us, "Why not send the 5 trillion in money left from government programs back to the tax paying citizens of Communist Louisiana. Studies done by our Dufourist Economist have shown that this twenty six hundred dollar check sent back to the tax payers every year will result in a better buying power for CL citizens and in return the economy will become much stronger.

Economist throughout the nation are also testing the pros and cons of the bill and so far more than 97% of them all agree that this will stimulate positive growth for all industries throughout CL.

This is Laura Smith reporting from the Peoples Senate in beautiful downtown New Orleans for Louisiana Public Broadcasting.

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So what happened to no monetary system and no government?

Communism fails...again.

We congratulate our comrades on their progress! The glories of Socialism shall never cease to amaze the world!

The True Directorate
The Socialist Party of Hallad

Official Statement by N.Albanian Government:

We our once again amazed by our Communist brothers, and we hope it leads you onto great times.

Jecht Ackbar

We do something like that, but it's millions to billions and it's all for businesses, but this could work too.

So what happened to no monetary system and no government?

Communism fails...again.


these guys don't even know what real communism is supposed to be. They just latch onto it cuz it sounds cool.

Imperial Puerto Rico, if you knew my nations economic system before you post you would not have posted a post like you did.

Communist Louisiana's economy follows DUFOURIST Economics. This is a form of mixed economies where civilans are in charge of making consumer goods and servies. The neccessities such as farms, electricity, telephone/internet, mining and oil drilling are all controlled by the government. All large companies which make consumer goods and services are employee owned and ran by employees in that company.

The system we follow is very efficent, stable and strong. Our economy following Dufourism has NEVER fallen below Very Strong.

I ask that you do a small amout of research before posting something like you did. It makes you look like a complete moron.

OOC: CL, one question, how can you have a surplus in Government money? That in accordance to Governmental spending theory is balls, you can never have a true surplus. Due to A) infinite wants vs scarce resources (this applies to Government as much as firms) B) Use of Govt money as with anything has opportunity cost, do you say you have no opportunity cost then? Remeber some services such as the Health Service are monetarily black holes, because they will always lack something. I assume to do this you are simply setting a level of spending for each department... but i'm thinking you've got Govts very wrong if your saying your Government will not spend every cent/penny it's taxed. Even if you are Communist, using Communist Economics (yes, there is such a thing by default), you always going to have a black hole/opportunity cost somewhere. Sorry, i'm not trying to nitpick just you claimed in a thread back (by assumption) to have some knowledge of economics, I would like to know how you reconcile this rather glaring problem.

But giving your population money back? Would it not be better to give them an accordant decrease in taxes, save on bureaucracy (whoops... your communist :D ) etc. That would make infinitely more sense than giving it back to them in monetary form, rather than spending it for indirect returns/value.

these guys don't even know what real communism is supposed to be. They just latch onto it cuz it sounds cool.

Not trying to get into a fight about Communism, but as a point of fact Communsim is what was laid out in the Communist Manifesto by Marx. No he does state that money should be done away with in a Communist society, so you can say that it isn't Communism with money, in a fundamentalist sort of way.

Sorry CL i'll stop the thread Hijack ;)

Imperial Puerto Rico, if you knew my nations economic system before you post you would not have posted a post like you did.

Communist Louisiana's economy follows DUFOURIST Economics. This is a form of mixed economies where civilans are in charge of making consumer goods and servies. The neccessities such as farms, electricity, telephone/internet, mining and oil drilling are all controlled by the government. All large companies which make consumer goods and services are employee owned and ran by employees in that company.

The system we follow is very efficent, stable and strong. Our economy following Dufourism has NEVER fallen below Very Strong.

I ask that you do a small amout of research before posting something like you did. It makes you look like a complete moron.


Listen, that's what he's talking about! That is not communism, that is whatever the hell else, but not communism! The only reason there was money in places like the U.S.S.R is because the goverment kept saying "Were going to communism, slowly but surely" when, of course, they were not.

If true communism was ever to be achieved somewhere, leaders and goverments would be put out of a job.

and it is cheap to have a trillion dollar surplus, let alone 5 trillion! That is just stupid. And even if by some freak miracle, that happened, inflation would go up so much that it would be worth a hell of alot less, like several billion.

The 5 trillion is not the trade surplus. It is the money left from the governmental budget once the programs that the government funds were funded. A some of 5 trillion was left so I decided to send it back as tax rebates. Doing so should stimulate the economy even more by stimulating spending on consumer goods and services.

Alexias is the only one that understands that Communist Louisiana DOES NOT PRACTICE MARXIST ECONOMIC THEORIES. We practice our own because those theories in Das Capital are deeply flawed.

The Merchant Guilds, you are correct. There is unlimited wants and limited resources. But understand this comrade, Communist Louisiana's empire is rather large and its citizens are able to produce more things at cheaper cost due to not having to import as many things as we export.

The Merchant Guilds, you are correct. There is unlimited wants and limited resources. But understand this comrade, Communist Louisiana's empire is rather large and its citizens are able to produce more things at cheaper cost due to not having to import as many things as we export.

CL, it would be more correct to state it's incorporated into your Governmental spending plan rather than saying it's 'unused' Governmental income, the later implies a break in the aforementioned core rule of business/economics/government. Also, size has nothing to with it, as you should know. You may have large trading surplus' but remeber that producing something cheaper, doesn't nessacarily bring more money, remeber there is also a saturation point :).

Btw, althought CL isn't actually Communist as a state (fundamentally your not CL, but i'm not flaming your for it either way), he is being practical with his Communism, you cannot exist without money when there is a majority of sizeable minority of Capitalist states. It's unfeasable, since by nature Capitalist states will always have more than Communist states and that causes inherent greed, no matter what way you look it. The only solution is to be insular, which then blows you out the water on it's own anyway...

whoops... sorry a hijack and rant... sorry again CL!

I stand by my statement that the amount of 5 trillion is cheap and rediculous. Even if you did have that much, it would cause massive inflation and your money would become near worthless.

And, as the merchant guild said, it is not communism. It is your own little operation, which is fine, but then don't call it communism.

Alexias, its called TAX RETURNS. Its the money left from taxes.

Marxism isnt the only form of communism jackass. My nation only follows a few things from the ideas of Marx. Marx did not invent the idea of Communism, if you read a biography on him, you would know that.

((OOC: I may not know a damn thing about communism, but Alexias stop nitpicking. It's a good concept, good RP. Okay?!))

Alexias, its called TAX RETURNS. Its the money left from taxes.

Marxism isnt the only form of communism jackass. My nation only follows a few things from the ideas of Marx. Marx did not invent the idea of Communism, if you read a biography on him, you would know that.


I understand that Marxism is extremly different from communism.

All the same, it is not communism, and it is still rediculous to think that you would have 5 TRILLION dollars in tax returns, no matter how many people you have. Countries do not make money, the spend money. The more people you have, the more services.

5 trillion is a rediculous amount no matter how you claim to have got it, and again, if you had that much the inflation would make it worthless.

I want you to look at something for me Alexias.

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Communist+Louisiana

I want you to look on the right. Notice where it says Communist Louisiana Economic Statistics

Lets take alook together!

Government Budget: $63,576,580,762,800.02
(Budget is funded through taxes payed by citizens correct?)
Government Expenditures: $58,490,454,301,776.02
(Money that my government spends on different programs right?)
Goverment Waste:$5,086,126,461,024.00
(MONEY THAT IS LEFT FROM THE BUDGET ONCE EXPENDITURES ARE MET!)

[b]THE MONEY LEFT IN THE BUDGET IS THE WASTE. I HAVE SENT BACK THAT 5 TRILLION TO MY CITIZENS THROUGH TAX RETURNS. DONT TELL ME IT CANT BE DONE, WHAT DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT BUSH DID TO MOST TAX PAYING CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES?!?

I would appreciate if you would get it through your thick skull.

Also, I would like to restate for the record MY ECONOMY IS NOT BASED OFF ANY KNOWN FORM OF COMMUNISM. I have said that before. A majority of the companies in my nation are employee owned. My government in control and its NON-ECONOMIC policies are communistic. I do not know how many times I have to state that because apparently you are reading only one sentence and then posting like a fool. You are really starting to piss me off also.

Communist Louisianna. Here, my man, let me tell you something. Just because you write down a few simple equations does not mean you are right.


Might I ask who is all buying all your exports?

Might I ask what the hell it is you are actually exporting?

Look, I can do that too.


Example:

Drug Cartel

Money Taken in by Cartel Annually: 10,000,000,000,000$
Money spent on product manufacturing:1,200,000,000,000$
Expenditure on weaponry:100,000,000,$
Money spent on bribes and bail:1,100,000,000$
Transport expenditure:2,000,000$

See, just because it adds up in my head, it is not practical or sensical.

Just as your equation.

And if it is not based on any form of existing communism, then why the hell did you not say so a while ago?

And there's no need for insults, my man. Did I start insulting you?

No, I did not.

I did say it isnt based on any form of existing communism.

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We are glad to hear of our comrades economic prosperity and we hope this prosperity continues forever.

-Vice Premier Coyotepec,
DPUANL

OOC: Dufour Economics sounds much like the ANL's Public Enterprise system.