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Largent formally declares war on Glogenschut Herman. They are selling slaves as workers, soldiers, and other things. Largent will not stand for this.

Ultimatum:
Cease slave trade immediatley and free all the slaves or we will strike.

They are not slaves. They are drones. We were offering them to the international community because we had produced too many. Why are you attacking us for offering merchandise at cheap prices.

The Vessel

SatRec Surveillance Room
Valhalla Command Center
Transnapastain


“”Sub-Commander, SatRec is showing a massive military buildup and deployment in Largent.” Spoke an Intelligence Analyst from her control station. “These hostilities appear to be directed towards Glogenschut Herman, sir.”

“Understood, mark that one as threat level low, and shift it off to secondary monitoring, if it heats up anymore, let Primary Rec know. Also, have Economics contact them, see if their in need of purchasing any supplies. Tell them we stand behind them, morally, as we, too are opposed to the sale of human beings.” Replied Sub-Commander Orwell

“Right, sir, tagging this as an active interest” replied the Analyst, as she continued about her duties.

Grays Hill officially backs Largent on this issue. Glogenschut Herman, stand down now or face war. Should the selling of slaves not stop hence forth, then Grays Hill will be forced to declare war.

Our forces are are Red Alert, and our naval battle groups are gearing up and leaving dock. Our bombers are fueling up, and their pilots are being briefed on their mission.

They are not slaves. They are drones. We were offering them to the international community because we had produced too many. Why are you attacking us for offering merchandise at cheap prices.

The Vessel

Thats why the thread you are selling them on is called the HUMANS storefront.

Why are you attacking us? They are drones! They have no soul. The trade of them is like the trade of cattle. We have humans with souls in our nation. We have aliens in our nation. They have souls. They are not drones! They are paid for their work because it helps the community. Why are you doing this? We are using souless drones.

The Vessel

Thats why the thread you are selling them on is called the HUMANS storefront.
We say human only because nobody visits a drones storefront.

The Mabulian National Congress has just Approved the Declaration of war.
Bombing Raids have started, and the rest of the military is mobilizing for invasion.

Signed:
Heinrich Bläser, President
Adolf Großgott, Vice President
Karl Heinz, Secretary of War
Siegfried Gärtner, Secretary of Defense
Felix Fleischer, Secretary of the Army
Gottfried Morgenfrüh, Secretary of the Air Force.
Franz Adler, Secretary of the Navy

i think some of you have failed to see the distinction between humans...
Think of them as born lobotomy patients that want to work, i dare say if you liberated them theyd go cray and die.

In other news: The Okyton Empire gives its support to Glogenschut Herman, 2.5 billion Post-Humans at your service. dont mess with drone nations they're militarily superior.

Drones, or humans, it doesn't matter. A slave is still a slave. Now stop selling them now, or face total destruction.

Why are you attacking us? They are drones! They have no soul. The trade of them is like the trade of cattle. We have humans with souls in our nation. We have aliens in our nation. They have souls. They are not drones! They are paid for their work because it helps the community. Why are you doing this? We are using souless drones.

The Vessel

If they are intelligent enough to do complex work such as warfare they must be intelligent and have some sort of consience and emotions. They are considered as good as human to us.

You say that you have begun bombing us and yet our stations have felt no impact. The only things that have been impacted are our drone factories on the surface.

The Vessel

You say that you have begun bombing us and yet our stations have felt no impact. The only things that have been impacted are our drone factories on the surface.

The Vessel

i think its time to bring out the bunker busters.

You say that you have begun bombing us and yet our stations have felt no impact. The only things that have been impacted are our drone factories on the surface.

The Vessel

Only one nation has begun bombing. A major invasion will not come from us for one more RL hour.

If they are intelligent enough to do complex work such as warfare they must be intelligent and have some sort of consience and emotions. They are considered as good as human to us.
Less than three hundred have ever exhibited conscience or emotion. These were immediately removed and raised as regular humans. I myself am one.

The Vessel

Why not simply purchase as many "drones" as your goverment can afford, offer them citizenship, or free passage to a nation of thier choosing, and place trade embargos on the nations who choose to buy them

Warfare is suppsoed to be a last resort, something a lot of national leaders seem to forget.

Offcial advice from the Executer of Transnapastain

Mabulia if you do not stop you attack the Okyton Empire will be firced to retaliate against you. ground and air troops are being assembled currently.

An official declaration of war has been cast against the Mind and all Vessels of Glogenschut Herman. An elite task force, specifically trained for underground assault, trackdown, and extermination, has been deployed to the Anti-Slavery Commision Alliance staging ground. Ready for battle at any time.

The Consul of Malpirgi

ATTN Emperor Fenix:

Any assistance to Glogenschut Herman will be considered an act of war and will be dealt with accordingly. Also, you claim to be a drone nation which is the very thing Glogenschut Herman is trying to sell into slavery!

Your logic is sound accpet for the fact that our drones have no ability to grasp concepts such as citizenship or freedom as you understand it.

The Vessel

Virtually undected by radar, 12 B-2 Stealth bombers have taken off and are heading towards Glogenschut Herman. Their targets include any military structure they can find including bases, and government targets. These bombers can be called back if you stop the selling of these slaves right now.

Why not simply purchase as many "drones" as your goverment can afford, offer them citizenship, or free passage to a nation of thier choosing, and place trade embargos on the nations who choose to buy them

Warfare is suppsoed to be a last resort, something a lot of national leaders seem to forget.

Offcial advice from the Executer of Transnapastain

This is my "last resort". Glogenschut Herman was repeatedly told to stop but didn't. Largent will not stand for any form of slavery.

The Mikosolf Corporation would like to say we are happy and willing to provide either side with munitions, vehicles, and/or any other good/service your country needs during this time of oncomming warfare.

-The Mikosolf Corporation
"We don't start wars, we just profit from them."

Mabulia if you do not stop you attack the Okyton Empire will be firced to retaliate against you. ground and air troops are being assembled currently.

Mabulia has stoped bombing, and will be negotiation peace, with Glogenschut Herman.

however, if they will not except the terms of peace, we shall still be at war.


Karl Heinz, Secretary of War

There is one Vessel and The Mind. They are linked as man and soul are linked. The Mind rules our collective peoples benevolently. The Mind has guided us and we have become prosperous.

The Vessel

ground to air missle mobile sams are at this moment travelling by plane to Glogenschut Herman, along with 500'000 troops to defend Glogenschut Herman land. All agression must stop against this blameless country, your insane bigotry must end now before sentient blood is spilt.

With preinvasion talks having no effect Largent it beginning its invasion.

50 Hypersoar bombers are heading towards Glogenschut Herman. They will be dipping in and out of the atmosphere and circle over Glogenschut Herman until the order is given to bomb.

Another 50 Hypersoars are ready to move in on The Emperor Fenix if they aid Glogenschut Herman any further.

Virtually undected by radar, 12 B-2 Stealth bombers have taken off and are heading towards Glogenschut Herman. Their targets include any military structure they can find including bases, and government targets. These bombers can be called back if you stop the selling of these slaves right now.

With the slaves still being sold, the bombers were not called back. They have now reached Glogenschut Herman and have dropped their payload.

ALSO: The Emperor Fenix, any shots fired at our bombers, or troops that are soon to arrive, by your troops, shall be answered by swift and powerfull retaliation.

OOC:what pre-invasion talks, you didnt do any

IC: Crassuss condemns your actions... they are clearly insane that you should wish to destroy these Drones to "save" them from the lives they were born to lead... they can know nothing else.

OOC:This isnt a war, this is just crazy... wheres the rp bit of this... count me out at least in space people had a modicum of sense... does Glogenschut Herman have no defenses against you... do you have no diplomacy? or sense, these arnt even slaves and you're all off on your evangelical crusades to liberate those that ave no wish to be liberated... i dont understand this. im back off to space where things make little sense rather than none.

The Mind is inclined to agree with Crassus the blood of the sentient should not be spilled for those that will die anyway. Our drone armies have been massed and our gelcircuitry drones have been prepped for war as well. our sentients our ready. War would be disastrous to both sides.

The Vessel

OOC:what pre-invasion talks, you didnt do any



OOC:The pre-invasion talks were the talks telling Glogenschut Herman to stop selling the slaves or face war.

War would be disastrous to both sides.



Grays Hill laughs at this statement. Our military is thousands of times larger than yours. And with a population of only 10 million, you cannot support a large military. The Government of Grays Hill is still in laughter.

OOC:The pre-invasion talks were the talks telling Glogenschut Herman to stop selling the slaves or face war.

OoC: How quaint. I have half a mind to switch back to my modern tech nation and enforce the only moral my country respects: national soveriegnty.

This is rediculous.. hes a drone nation therefore he has an army of 10 million... should i wish to take part in thie farce id have an army of 2.5 billion these arnt people and you're not rp-ing... how is it an rp to tell people you managed to get past their national defenses... how do you know what theyve got defending themselves?

OOC:This isnt a war, this is just crazy... wheres the rp bit of this... count me out at least in space people had a modicum of sense... does Glogenschut Herman have no defenses against you... do you have no diplomacy? or sense, these arnt even slaves and you're all off on your evangelical crusades to liberate those that ave no wish to be liberated... i dont understand this. im back off to space where things make little sense rather than none.
I couldn't agree more

I can see this turning into a godmod fest/flamewar very quickly

OOC: And just incase I forgot to mention they're in space. The drone factories are the only thing on the surface owned ny Glogenschut Herman.

The Hypersoars were given the order. They easily spotted the massing armies and dropped 100 EDAAM cluster bombs which are filled with hundreds of armor peircing bambs that can cover an area of 3 sq.mi. with thousands of explosives.

They also send in 50 EJASSM which will take out 50 different strategic targets. They can also penetrate one meter of concrete after they were better outfitted for this operation. They also have enhanced range.

This is rediculous.. hes a drone nation therefore he has an army of 10 million... should i wish to take part in thie farce id have an army of 2.5 billion these arnt people and you're not rp-ing... how is it an rp to tell people you managed to get past their national defenses... how do you know what theyve got defending themselves?

No wonder you have an imploded economy. Every single person in yoru nation is in your military. And it is an RP becasuse the bombers I sent are stealth, and cannot be decteced by radar. Therefore, there was no way to shoot them down. And if you hadn't noticed I was careful not to call damages. I simply said that they dropped their payload. Its up to him to call the damages, although it would be a godmod to say that none of the targets were damages. I have been here a lot longer than you, I know how to RP.

OOC: And just incase I forgot to mention they're in space. The drone factories are the only thing on the surface owned ny Glogenschut Herman.

umm...ya, you did forget to mention anything like that.

STEALTH DOES NOT MEAN INVISIBLE TO RADAR! They are just harder to detect.

STEALTH DOES NOT MEAN INVISIBLE TO RADAR! They are just harder to detect.

Notice I said VIRTUALLY invisible. You really do need to pay more attention.

This is rediculous.. hes a drone nation therefore he has an army of 10 million... should i wish to take part in thie farce id have an army of 2.5 billion these arnt people and you're not rp-ing... how is it an rp to tell people you managed to get past their national defenses... how do you know what theyve got defending themselves?

so, you're suggesting that every citizen is outfitted to fight against a ruthless and well trained of no less than 200 million. Not to mention we have long-range missles and EMPs

bombers I sent are stealth, and cannot be decteced by radar

Remeber what you write.

Why were you attacking again... lets have some diplomatic talks that you so conveniantly skipped before im forced to get back into this and crush you...

first Crassuss asks: Why are you attacking this nation

Why were you attacking again... lets have some diplomatic talks that you so conveniantly skipped before im forced to get back into this and crush you...

first Crassuss asks: Why are you attacking this nation

First Crassuss should pay attention. SLAVERY! My god people. This isn't rocket science.

Reports were streaming into The Mind. For some reason these crazed humans had decided to destroy the drone factories. Effectively killing the things they were working so hard to save. The sentient armies were stunned at the incompetence of their counterparts.

OK then next question: why do you believe this to be slavery?

OK then next question: why do you believe this to be slavery?

Giving any creature (that has the ability to think and comprehend basic concepts) no rights of their own is slavery in my book.

So what of apes in your zoos?

The Vessel

The Emperor Fenix: because Glogenschut Herman said it was.

Glogenschut Herman, whose to say that I have zoos in our nation?

then we demand you release all your cows and pigs and sheep and fish and cats and dogs and domesticated and food animals of every kind before you attack Glogenschut Herman. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. You are just as guilty of you "slavery" as Glogenschut Herman is... in fact more so as your salves have no voices to say that they wish to work. Glogenschut Herman is one mind your nation is billions of animal minds living ni the torment you come to relieve Glogenschut Herman of. your claims of slavery are unfounded, go home.

We said drones! Listen to what people say.

The Vessel

No, do not listen to logic, keep attacking each other, its good for the (by 'the' I mean mine) economy! They are homonid, remeber that, with a homo sapian shape, blow them into little pieces!

In your thread you specifically call them Humans! Not to mention i dont know how many drones have male and female organs

then we demand you release all your cows and pigs and sheep and fish and cats and dogs and domesticated and food animals of every kind before you attack Glogenschut Herman. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. You are just as guilty of you "slavery" as Glogenschut Herman is... in fact more so as your salves have no voices to say that they wish to work. Glogenschut Herman is one mind your nation is billions of animal minds living ni the torment you come to relieve Glogenschut Herman of. your claims of slavery are unfounded, go home.

Now you are trying to mess with our foodchain. The issue here is slavery, not the foodchain.

then we demand you release all your cows and pigs and sheep and fish and cats and dogs and domesticated and food animals of every kind before you attack Glogenschut Herman. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. You are just as guilty of you "slavery" as Glogenschut Herman is... in fact more so as your salves have no voices to say that they wish to work. Glogenschut Herman is one mind your nation is billions of animal minds living ni the torment you come to relieve Glogenschut Herman of. your claims of slavery are unfounded, go home.

Animals don't have the ability to grasp basic concepts the way humans do. They are only so aware of their surroundings. Also, how is raising pigs and having them on farms not giving them life and liberty. They eat, sleep, and do as they please until they are needed.

no "free" you ants they have basic senses... they cry out too be free from the horrible slavery the enduer... bomb them, theyll be dead but theyll be free. Thats what these drones are... theyre not people they are part of a single mind... Glogenschut Herman merely had surplus.

Our ants are free. They roam around terrorising peopls lawns.

Like we've already explained. We said humans so more potential customers would be attracted. Aned bees have male and female organs.

Animals don't have the ability to grasp basic concepts the way humans do. They are only so aware of their surroundings. Also, how is raising pigs and having them on farms not giving them life and liberty. They eat, sleep, and do as they please until they are needed.
same situation here

Yea but last time i checked droids dont do the funky munky and have kids

Our ants are free. They roam around terrorising peopls lawns.

but they are enslaved by the queen, they must be taken from their colony and housed in tiny council ant houses where tbey can live their lives happy now that they are removed from their macro-body

Animals don't have the ability to grasp basic concepts the way humans do. They are only so aware of their surroundings. Also, how is raising pigs and having them on farms not giving them life and liberty. They eat, sleep, and do as they please until they are needed.
These are exactly the same. And they live the same life. We are not cruel to them they are completely free until called upon.

The Vessel

I do have a question tho. If your population is nothing more than 10 million drones, and if all 10 million of the drones are in your military, and every drone is incapable of thinking, then how do the make more?

Queens dont enslave their loyal ants. Its an aroma that makes them do what she wants. Besides Slave-maker ants take over other colonies

I do have a question tho. If your population is nothing more than 10 million drones, and if all 10 million of the drones are in your military, and every drone is incapable of thinking, then how do the make more?

if you have a drone nationt here is no military... every member of the nation is just as able ot fight as every other (barring those that are not specialised otherwise) and he said there were breeders i assume they breed.

OOC: Grays Hill I've already explained. Drones are used. There are also a lot of them but most of the population is human or alien or gelcircuit AI with some sort of mechanical enhancements.

But they are incapable of thinking, so how do they know how to breed?

Err what about The Mind... after all, all of Glogenschut Hermans posts are signed The Vessel (vessel of the mind one would assume)

Nearly 500 submarines are headed to Glogenschut Herman to pick up our shipment. If attacked we will unleash our full arsenal upon the agressors, inculding tactical, and if required strategic nuclear weapons.
We would prefer NOT to enter this conflict, just let us pick up our drones and we will be on our way.
FYI we intend to pay the workers and soldier drones minmum wage and provide housing...


who said you need to be able to think to procreate....

You said your entire pop was drones....not its not?

But they are incapable of thinking, so how do they know how to breed?
basic animal instinct, same with the aforementioned farm animals

OOC: Grays Hill I've already explained. Drones are used. There are also a lot of them but most of the population is human or alien or gelcircuit AI with some sort of mechanical enhancements.

Well according to The Emperor Fenix, you have 10 million drones in your "military" (though now he says that there is no military they just all fight) But it is a godmod to have your military larger than your population.

Look at my last post and the breeders just breed. That's all they do all the time. We decide according to the need which ones are being produced according to the nutrients given to the mother while she is preganant.

Woh Woh dont take my word as law... i know as much about Glogenschut Herman as you do... i am merely able to make logical assumption based on some thought. and please listen to what i say... think of ants this analoges good... ants dont have a military (well yes they do but hush) any ant can defend the hill, unlike civilions who abstain from fighting.

I thought your whole pop were drones.....How do "they" exist

Well according to The Emperor Fenix, you have 10 million drones in your "military" (though now he says that there is no military they just all fight) But it is a godmod to have your military larger than your population.
Yes according to Emperor Fenix.

That still doesnt explain how your military has more than your entire population.

Yes according to Emperor Fenix.

Well then, why have you not yet told him he was wrong?

yea...thats literally impossible...

excuse me since when was his population larger than his population... and stop mis-reading my posts... and stop persecuting blamelss others because of them.

It doesn't I never said that it did. A large percentage of the pop. is military though. About 60% but that's just because of huge mechanical enhancement and different drugs. The rest are mostly drone workers and sentients for the more complicated jobs. understand?

excuse me since when was his population larger than his population...

That made no since at all.

Formal report involving the issue of slavery:

These drones do grasp basic concepts and are 100% aware of their surroundings. This is obvious because they can fight. They must be aware of their surroundings and be able to adapt to it. These drones are given no rights when they must have an equal intelligence to humans. This is indeed slavery.

look... whoever said his military was bigger than his population did i say e had an army twice the size of his nation... no-one did.

And err... i read it that these drones were controlled by "The Mind" how does that make them aware of their surroundings, surely that makes the mind aware of their surroundings.

That made no since at all.

I must agree.

It doesn't I never said that it did. A large percentage of the pop. is military though. About 60% but that's just because of huge mechanical enhancement and different drugs. The rest are mostly drone workers and sentients for the more complicated jobs. understand?

So, that means that your military is only made up of 6 million?

I must agree.

read my posts for god sake

"Fuck."
The Grand Inquisitor Bahba o-H'Ryilee needed some aspirin badly.
The war reports were coming in from that damned Herman land, and they were very grim. The casualties were low, the Alliance was pushing ahead nicely, and morale was at an all time high in the Holy Land. But it looked like that was all about to change.
Godsdamned diplomats.
Just as the war was starting to get on, too, Bahba thought. He stood up and straightened his robe. Looking out the window, he thought on how stupid all of the major nations were acting. The Mind and Vessel were apparently not even in their own damn land, and this Crassuss A.I. thing was just too much. Reaching over to the table, he popped the aspirin lid and swallowed two.
The whole thing was snowballing.
Regretfully, Bahba pulled the bell cord to summon his secretary-acolyte. As soon as the acolyte was ready for notation, Bahba began to speak.
"It is my sincere wish, as leader of the armed forces of Malpirgi and the Grand Inquisitor of the entire Consul, that a skillful retraction of our forces in Glogenschut Herman is put into effect. Due to high level diplomacy, the entire reason for the war is being called into question, as well as the tactical situation. My sincerest apologies to the Consul, but I must insist. Our allies as well as enemies are no longer fighting; continued military action is pointless, not to mention absurd. Alright, end the statement."
As the secretary-acolyte left, o-H'Ryilee turned back towards the window. Fancy me imagining that a war was even possible, he thought. Not with such confusing things as sentient beings being declared drones, and diplomacy that looks like flaming.
Bahba shrugged, took two more aspirin, and went to bed.

look... whoever said his military was bigger than his population did i say e had an army twice the size of his nation... no-one did.

And err... i read it that these drones were controlled by "The Mind" how does that make them aware of their surroundings, surely that makes the mind aware of their surroundings.

You said that all 10 million of his population was in his military, and now he is saying that he has some humans and aliens and drones. I suggest you get informed before you take a side and start blabbing out useless information.

Yes it means I have a military of about six million. and Largent the drones do not have emotion. Awareness yes. Even dogs can fight, the drones just have enough awareness to kill as many sentients as possible before dying.

look... whoever said his military was bigger than his population did i say e had an army twice the size of his nation... no-one did.

And err... i read it that these drones were controlled by "The Mind" how does that make them aware of their surroundings, surely that makes the mind aware of their surroundings.

you said his army had 10 million drones or something when his population IS 10 million. It just can work.

If their mind is aware they must be too. Even if the mind controls them they must know whats happening. This whole "mind" is sort of wierd though.

i made the best judgement i could.. and what he says you can take as a better one.. obviously they cant both be true so take his version not mine. if i say hes got twenty billiontons of iron ore in his country and he says that he has none you dont start accusing him of hiding it do you (actually you probably would)

and did you not read my post explaining that if these things are drones then such a thing as a military as you know it becomes an obsolete concept? obviously not.

6 million....where do you get your funding for your small nation

funding for what... think of them as communists if it helps.

They're all serving The Mind. And what funding they fight to protect each other those that are sentient enough anyway. The drones are just there to serve their purpose in life.

Yes it means I have a military of about six million. and Largent the drones do not have emotion. Awareness yes. Even dogs can fight, the drones just have enough awareness to kill as many sentients as possible before dying.

they need the intelligence to tell the difference between freind and foe.

wouldnt the mind tell them that?

OOC: *sigh* arguing sentience... AI in video games can do it, why can't organic computers (drones) be programed to do it to! (sense friend/foe and shoot foe and not friend)

They're all serving The Mind. And what funding they fight to protect each other those that are sentient enough anyway. The drones are just there to serve their purpose in life.

what is "The Mind". You need to explain this.

Yes intelligence but not emotion. Plus they are being commanded by a freaking orb that floats around and tells them who to kill.

From the Desk of Governer McLagherty

Amazing, simply amazing. I can understand why the rest of the Republic considers this world a backwater.

The central issue isn't whether or not these drones count as slaves, it doesn't matter. The central issue is that several countries are, just now, trying to impede on the soveriegnty of another nation. As a man who recognizes the ultimate grey area and as such respects no moral but self-determination, I think it is the offending nations who are in the wrong, not the slave holding one.

You see, it's really quite simple. If these slaves held any desire for freedom, they have every right and ability to revolt. However, they don't. This is self-determination at its best.

Now, I warn you, either step out of the affairs of Glogenschut Herman or face the consequences.

They're all serving The Mind. And what funding they fight to protect each other those that are sentient enough anyway. The drones are just there to serve their purpose in life.

What about weapons that they use? It cost money to supply all of that. Plus food and quarters. And you being a small nation with that much military, its highly unlikely that you have any kind of equiptment like tanks and planes.

Mapalgetia will back its ally Largent and friend Grays Hill on this. All necessary supplies, weaponry, and volunteers will be sent over.

OOC: *sigh* arguing sentience... AI in video games can do it, why can't organic computers (drones) be programed to do it to! (sense friend/foe and shoot foe and not friend)

How will they know which is frend and foe. AI in computer games are programmed specific targets which are executed using specific programs. Battlefeilds are unpredictable and programming would be nearly impossible unless you knew what every target looked like and where it was.

what is "The Mind". You need to explain this.
Originally a computer that zipped past servitude into full sentience. It studied human history and foudn that it liked the unifying influences of peace and tranquility. Many groups of different sentient creatures were attracted to the mesage of The Mind and began to live along side it. Then it eventually became their ruler and they didn't mind.

Yes intelligence but not emotion. Plus they are being commanded by a freaking orb that floats around and tells them who to kill.

personally, it seems like you're pulling this out of your ass as you go along.

What about weapons that they use? It cost money to supply all of that. Plus food and quarters. And you being a small nation with that much military, its highly unlikely that you have any kind of equiptment like tanks and planes.

you assume that its a standing army... or can you not imagine conscription.

Tags, won't be fool proof (some form of visual que) that or you just have a central intelligence... (like they do) The drones are limbs, the Mind can lose them and not care, just like you can sell your kidney, its your kidney sell it if you want!

Originally a computer that zipped past servitude into full sentience. It studied human history and foudn that it liked the unifying influences of peace and tranquility. Many groups of different sentient creatures were attracted to the mesage of The Mind and began to live along side it. Then it eventually became their ruler and they didn't mind.

so basically one EMP and your done.

personally, it seems like you're pulling this out of your ass as you go along.

no it looks like youve misunderstood the nation... im tired and im off.

personally, it seems like you're pulling this out of your ass as you go along.
Isn't that what II roleplay is all about :confused:

so basically one EMP and your done.
It's spread out from there. The Vessel for one. Think Skynet from the Terminator series. And no i'm not pulling this our of my ass as I go along. I thought this stuff up.

From the Desk of Governer McLagherty

Amazing, simply amazing. I can understand why the rest of the Republic considers this world a backwater.

The central issue isn't whether or not these drones count as slaves, it doesn't matter. The central issue is that several countries are, just now, trying to impede on the soveriegnty of another nation. As a man who recognizes the ultimate grey area and as such respects no moral but self-determination, I think it is the offending nations who are in the wrong, not the slave holding one.

You see, it's really quite simple. If these slaves held any desire for freedom, they have every right and ability to revolt. However, they don't. This is self-determination at its best.

Now, I warn you, either step out of the affairs of Glogenschut Herman or face the consequences.

This topic is moving too quickly...

you assume that its a standing army... or can you not imagine conscription.

I understand conscription. But it cost money to supply the weapons and everythign that they need. Not to mention the extreme cost of tanks and planes.

Isn't that what II roleplay is all about :confused:

no, I meant the specific orb thing. It seemed way out there. Also, hes not telling us these things until he needs to.

In response to this blatant act of aggression against a sovereign state, Phaestos hereby offers to sell its surplus uranium stocks to Glogenschut Herman at half price! Glogenschut Herman: in case of an assault, you may also wish to take advantage of our recent offers on the sale of Phaestoi interceptors and weaponry.

A slave caste is essential to a working economy! Caveat Emptor!

Rinji Sho, Outer Okinawan Department of Defense and Humanities Secretary: Outer Okinaw has Vtol and mecha units around the battle zone, ready to pick up any soldier from either side who wants out, or any civilian fleeing the zone, We also open our homes to any refugees from either side. Our extraction teams will NOT fire unless fired upon, or to prevent a massacre of unarmed people. Do not fire upon us, we are neutral, humanitarian aid.

Are we going to get this war started or not? This is not a debate over the definition of slavery. It is war.

OOC: They build what the army needs. They operate like a socialist state that actually succeeded. They have an economy okay. They pay for the stuff that they can't prduce themselves. Do you people understand? They operate for the good of the community.

Anything nuclear shot at Grays Hill, or any nation involved in this issue for that matter, will be shot down and be retaliated against with 5 time the amount of nuclear weapons. So, basically if you shoot a nuke at me, or anybody else, its assured destruction for you.

Are we going to get this war started or not? This is not a debate over the definition of slavery. It is war.

But the nature of the war itself is about slavery, making this conflict very much about the definition of slavery, and whether your aggressions are morally justifiable.

no, I meant the specific orb thing. It seemed way out there. Also, hes not telling us these things until he needs to.
Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you. Shall we begin on whatever?

No one cares about the Moral issues they were threatened..so its in good nature they follow through. Get on with the WAR!

Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you. Shall we begin on whatever?

I really don't care as long as you don't godmod so you can make sure there is no way you can be fought.

No one cares about the Moral issues they were threatened..so its in good nature they follow through. Get on with the WAR!

YEA!

I wasn't godmodding. People just refused to listen to me.

In response to the recent ultimatum by Grays Hill, the Phaestos Minister of Trade had the following comment to make: "Just because a weapon may be nuclear doesn't make it a nuke. Indeed, depleted uranium rounds are common in most modern battle tanks of our age. Besides, we just sell the things."

From the desk of Governer McLagherty

I've already given you your warning. Do not interfere with Glogenschut Herman.

You changed your story a hindred times! If 1 thing happened it couldn't effect you for some other crap reason...thats a godmod

In response to the recent ultimatum by Grays Hill, the Phaestos Minister of Trade had the following comment to make: "Just because a weapon may be nuclear doesn't make it a nuke. Indeed, depleted uranium rounds are common in most modern battle tanks of our age. Besides, we just sell the things."

I was just saying, should he make nukes out of it and fire them at us, then it will be met with swift nuclear retaliation on him.

i've been lookin at this thread and I think I may be able to help. The guy was not godmoding why? because people were looking at the posts of others and taking them as fact on his nation. And he just has a back up plan. is that so freaking bad?

You changed your story a hindred times! If 1 thing happened it couldn't effect you for some other crap reason...thats a godmod

Who cares. Lets get back on track and get a decent RP going.

Im with largent goto war..fight like a man!

Secret message to Largent: How are we going to strike him? he said that the only thing on the surface was the factories.

choi friggin eh!!!!!!!!! why are you attacking me again?

OOC: Because this war was never really about slaves, they were just a justification for several nations to come in and kick your arse while keeping their hands clean of "infringing upon sovereignty".

choi friggin eh!!!!!!!!! why are you attacking me again?

Because you are still selling the slaves.

Why would they want to attack me if this war wasn't about selling surplus drones?

Because you are still selling the slaves.

Which is no justification for breaking the one international law that holds any water.

Because you are still selling the slaves.
Well because of the lack of sells and the war. Turns out the drones will need to be used on the factory lines to produce weapons to kill your men with.

Battle plan: Drill into the ground till you find them. (my suggestion) and pump it full of water (Grays suggestion)

OOC: This is why you keep your enslavement of people a secrete and covert activity (also being an 03 nation helps). My advise, keep your drone trade quiet and then you won't get attacked.

Battle plan: Drill into the ground till you find them. (my suggestion) and pump it full of water (Grays suggestion)
What the heck they're in space. Not underground.

I thought they were underground! Dang

Well because of the lack of sells and the war. Turns out the drones will need to be used on the factory lines to produce weapons to kill your men with.
Do you really want to go to war now?

OOC: Dang, and I think you are warmongers...

IC:

...and we would love to sell you some of our weapon systems or even munitions! You need it, we got it, or if we don't we can retrofit a factory to make it!

Dang i wasnt aware i was involved. O thats right im not

Do you really want to go to war now?

War can be stopped if you stop the selling of the slaves.

Well because of the lack of sells and the war. Turns out the drones will need to be used on the factory lines to produce weapons to kill your men with.
Look at the post!!!!

He isn't selling them because he is now using them to make things to kill you with! By causing the possibility of war you shut down his trade *gasp*.

doesnt mean you'll stop

So you are no longer selling the slaves?

Yeah it's consequences and stuff.

Then all GH forces are ordered to turn and come home. Our platform for war was the selling of slaves, but now that they are no longer being sold, we no longer have a platfor for war. Though we urge you to stop slavery in all and set your nation on a better track.

So you are no longer selling the slaves?
Well we no longer have a drone surplus because they are being utilized to make wepaons for the war that was being fought over them. Irony is new to me.

The Vessel

OOC: Funny ain't it...
But let me put this concept in perspective FOR all parties... think as the drones as robots, but instead of metal they are organic. And they are all connected to the centeral AI (aka The Vessel). If I am selling extra robots and I selling them into slavery? You say yes, I say no.

i would say no....BUT the whole thing started because it was worded as Humans

OOC: Slight correction The Vessel is the organic form of The Mind. A Vessel is formed when a drone is born with a soul. In the entire history of Glogenschut Herman there have been only 278.

OOC: Ok this is funny, this entire eight pages started because of a context error! Ha! And I thought declaring war on the U.N. was stupid...lol...Grays Hill and Largent, you two have raised the bar on stupid reasons to start a war.

That is kind of funny.

Selling slaves, Human or not, its still selling slaves. And thats why I was going to war. And if you look back, you will see this isnt the only time where I have threatened nations because of them selling slaves.

drones! Ah well never mind I guess your mind can't be changed by the truth.

A human shaped robot that can either a) build b) fight or c) make more of it self is not a slave. Period, done, fineto! So in honor of that...

IC:

We of the Mikosolf Corporation are selling human-esk robots with animal sentiance (barely) with the ability to fight, build, and construct more of themselves as long as a control is available (be it taskmaster or computer).

Gasp! OMG IR SLAV3 TRAD3R!

drones! Ah well never mind I guess your mind can't be changed by the truth.

I understand that they are drones, but you were selling them into slaverly, and thats what I was against.

I understand that they are drones, but you were selling them into slaverly, and thats what I was against.
How do you know that they were going to be enslaved? For example the drones I purchased will be made citizens and recieve pay, I think your issue should be with the customers which plan to enslave his drones.

How do you know that they were going to be enslaved?

Because he said that they were SLAVES and they were for sale. But the issue is done and over with.

Another excellent RP. :rolleyes:

Because he said that they were SLAVES and they were for sale. But the issue is done and over with.
Where did he say that////
The Mind had recently produced to many human spawn. It needed to get rid of them and so decided to sell the souless ones to whoever wished.

Humans available
ten breeder male: $40
ten breeder female: $40

one hundred soldier male: $400
one hundred soldier female: $400

one thousand worker male: $400
one thousand worker female: $400

Different custom jobs available.

Im sorry i missed this :D...

Im glad to see others helped out Glogenschut Herman, i wasnt doing a particularly good job. Thanks to all of you who did it was good of you to help the persecuted.