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Nordrreich

20-11-2004, 22:13

Don't feel obligated to give quite as much detail in the overviews.

German Empire:

General Overview:
The German Empire was formed in 1871 under the guidance of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck of Prussia. Through rapid population growth and explosive industrialization, Germany became by far the most powerful nation in Europe. It managed to fight and win both of the Eastern Wars, gaining Austria and Bohemia-Moravia in the first and Russian Poland in the second. Picking up a relatively extensive colonial empire in the late 19th and 20th centuries, Germany became a top-notch global power.

The Second Eastern War was, however, difficult for the country as Germany suffered approximately three million casualties. British unwillingness to intervene on the side of Germany created great bitterness towards Britain on the part of Germans. Germany broke off to form its own faction of nations, consisting at first of Italy and Hungary. The Germans offered immense material assistance to the independence movement in India and later became the primary patron of the new Indian state. Nationalist, secular Turkey joined after the failure of the USAR attack on it in the late 1960's. Argentina became an official member of the Central Powers bloc in the early 1970’s.

The most powerful nation in Continental Europe, Germany’s economy and military represents the backbone of the Central Powers and the sole reason for the existence of that power bloc. Of the non-Communist nations, only the FAS is more powerful than Germany. Recent German reapproachment with the Allied powers is a sign of immense worry to the Soviet Union.

A lengthy process of political and economic reform has allowed Germany to remain a top-notch power. At the same time, tradition has great weight in the country, which virtually all citizens regularly attending church. It has the highest birth rate in Western Europe, growing by about 0.4% a year on natural population growth. Immigration is relatively light, due to restrictive laws but pushes population growth to about 0.75% a year. The vast majority of immigrants today are from the German colonies, with a few political refugees of Communist countries.

The German state is undergoing a remarkable process of national self-evaluation, which culminated in the Poland Act of 2009, which is committed to creating an independent Polish state. In 2011, four Bundeslander were organized into the Polish autonomous state. By 2015, Poland will be given full independence with the currently German Bundeslander of Posen and West Prussia given to Poland, less the German-dominated city of Danzig.

However, there is no similar movement in the Czech-dominated Bundeslander of Bohemia-Moravia. Censuses have noticed a rapid decline in the number of people identifying themselves as Czech and coupled with German migration into Bohemia-Moravia it is quite possible that they will become totally assimilated into the German population. It is also clear that the Germans consider this an essential part of their polity, unlike the relatively undeveloped Bundeslander of West Prussia and Posen.

Germany is also in the process of liberalizing its extensive overseas holdings, with an eye to liberating them. Already, Thailand has been given extensive self-determination and is clearly on the fast track to independence as a member of the Central Powers alliance. Of the German colonies, probably Namibia is the least likely to be freed, the German space program is based in its desert region and about a third of people there are of German descent. Namibia might be annexed officially to Germany as a Bundeslander, there seems to be significant support for such a step in the country.

Capital: Berlin
Population: 146,500,000
Ethnicity: German 83%, Polish 7%, Czech 6%, Other 4%
Religion: Protestant 60%, Catholic 34%, Jewish 2%, Other 4%
Largest Cities: Berlin (7.2 million, metro area), Essen-Dortmund (5.1 million, metro area), Vienna (2.5 million, metro area), Hamburg (2.1 million, metro area), Munich (1.7 million, metro area)

Political Overview: The death of Kaiser Wilhelm II resulted in a massive programme of constitutional reform, reducing the powers of the Kaiser considerably, although the monarch retains considerable powers in foreign policy. Democracy is unusually boisterous in Germany, with a multitude of very different parties constantly realigning themselves. The last elections are considered representative of German political opinoin in general, that is, with a liberal majority, a large conservative minority and a sizeable socialist elements. Fringe parties picked up extra seats, with the National Democrats, a party with its origins in the National Socialist movement of the 1920’s picking up a large number of seats in Bavaria and Thuringia.

Government: Constitutional Monarchy, parliamentary democracy with federal system
Head of State: Kaiser Wilhelm VI
Head of Government: Chancellor Philip Dietrich
Parliamentary Body:
Upper House: Landsrat: (mostly symbolic now)
Lower House: Reichstag: (main governmental body)
Seats: 120 in Landsrat, 571 in Reichstag.
Major Political Parties: National Liberals (Philip Dietrich) 223, Conservative Party (Albert Kesselring) 148, Social Democrats (Friedrich Brandt) 82, Christian Democrats (Rev. Johann Schmidt) 46, Free Democratic Party (Georg Halder) 34, Green Party (Marlene Druckenstahl) 19, National Democrats (Ernst Stahlman) 16, Independents 3

Subdivisions: 19 Bundeslander, Alsace-Lorraine, Baden-Wurttemburg, Bavaria, Bohemia-Moravia, Brandenburg, East Prussia, Hannover, Hessen, Mecklemburg, Osterreich, Pomerania, Posen, Rhineland, Saxony, Silesia, Schleswig-Holstein, Thuringia, Westphalia, West Prussia

Economy Overview: The German Empire is one of the world’s most powerful economies, competing with Japan for third place behind the FAS and China. Possessing highly advanced service and industry, Germany is the main supplier of technology and armaments to the Central Powers nations. In addition, German interests own about a third of India's large and rapidly expanding economy.

GDP real growth: 2.8%
GDP (Germany): $5.61 trillion
GDP (all territories): $7.61 trillion
GDP per capita: $38,328
Primary Exports: Steel products, chemical products, electronics, automobiles, armaments
Primary Imports: Foodstuffs, petroleum, industrial raw materials
Primary Trade Partners (Export): India 26%, Italy 14%, FAS 13%
Primary Trade Partners (Import): India 23%, Italy 13%, FAS 12%

Military Overview: The German military is, of all, non-Communist nations, second only to the FAS and possibly superior in land warfare. Military experts hold the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe in high esteem, with the Wehrmacht in particular being cited for excellence. The Imperial Navy tends to be a bit neglected by comparison, although it is a mistake to assume that it is of poor quality. In a general war, the survival of Germany is absolutely critical to Allied interests.

Germany is one of the largest arms exporters in the world, behind only the FAS and Soviet Union. One of the major concerns of the Wehrmacht is compensating for inferior numerical strength with greater quality as opposed to their Russian opponents. Experimentation in the German forces has focused mainly on the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe, although the Luftwaffe has an active space weapons programme. The Germans have completed construction of their own advanced anti-missile shield.

As the discoverer of psionic phenomena, the Germans possess a significant edge in this field of discovery. It is rumoured that German psionics are being organized into seperate military units as they reach the age of conscription. These psionic specialist units may have a considerable impact upon special forces and espionage operations.

The German Empire was the first nation to launch a satellite and is still a major player in space, second only to the FAS, with the Soviet Union in third place. The German Empire was also the world's first nuclear power, although it's nuclear weapons stocks are now a relatively distant third behind the FAS and the Soviet Union. However, its smaller nuclear weapons stocks are well-managed and are well on their way to being successfully adjusted to meet the new realities of warfare.

Military Budget: $227.21 billion
Military Budget: (percentage of GDP) 4.05%
Military Manpower: 1.6 million
Military Procurement: Universal male conscription at age 18 for three years. All able-bodied men placed on Landwehr reserve lists until age 45. 20-25-year old unmarried men make up Reserve Class 1, 20-35 year old married and 25-35 year old unmarried men make up Reserve Class 2 and 35-45 year old men make up Reserve Class 3. Class 1 reservists are required to train two weeks every year.

Dominions:

The Poland Act: The Poland Act, passed by the Reichstag by a majority of about 55% of deputies provides for the creation of an independent Polish state in close alliance with Germany. In 2016, when the Polish state is slated for full independence, West Prussia and Posen will be granted to Poland, increasing its population by approximately seven million. The two million ethnic Germans in that territory will have the option of resettlement, as will the five or six million ethnic Poles who live in other territories. It is expected, however, that total population transfer will not be great.

Polish Autonomous Region:
Capital: Warsaw
Population: 21,700,000
Main Products: Grain, potatoes, processed foods
GDP: $627.1 billion
GDP per capita: $28,900
Armed Forces: 150,000 (Polish Home Army)
125,000 (German Wehrmacht)

Imperial Possessions:
Ethiopia:
Population: 74,500,000
Main Products: Coffee
GDP: $164 billion
GDP per capita: $2,200
Armed Forces: 180,000 (Ethiopian Colonial Troops)
45,000 (German Wehrmacht)

German Congo:
Population: 55,430,000
Main Products: Copper, diamonds, uranium, rubber
GDP: $211 billion
GDP per capita: $3,800
Armed Forces: 220,000 (Congolese Colonial Troops)
38,000 (German Wehrmacht)

Namibia: (Is the centre of the German space program. About 1/3 of Namibians are European, mostly German)
Main Products: Cattle, iron ore, gold
Population: 2,600,000
GDP: $61.8 billion
GDP per capita: $23,800
Armed Forces: 39,000 (Namibian Colonial Troops)
8,000 (German Wehrmacht)

Papua New Guinea:
Main Products: Copper, gold, tropical wood, fish
Population: 5,800,000
GDP: $19 billion
GDP per capita: $3,250
Armed Forces: 25,000 (Papuan Colonial Troops)
10,000 (German Wehrmacht)

Thailand: (Is being groomed for independence, slated for 2025)
Main Products: Light industry, garments
Population: 65,100,000
GDP: $924.1 billion
GDP per capita: $14,200
Armed Forces: 350,000 (Thai Colonial Troops)
65,000 (German Wehrmacht)

Nordrreich

20-11-2004, 22:15

The IRL nation's details ... although if you're taking it off the list of nations in the other thread. (link at the top of the topic), you give details for that agglomeration. For example, the Netherlands is both the Netherlands and Belgium, as well as any dependencies that the IRL Netherlands and Belgium has today. (Curacao, Aruba, they'd still have Suriname in this one too)

In your case, Kriegograd, that would be China plus Mongolia, with probably a slight upward population, GDP and military spending change. Probably about 10% all around.

Nordrreich

20-11-2004, 22:54

*bump*

Camel Eaters

20-11-2004, 23:28

Note: Don't feel obligated to do the whole thing at once.

Application Form:
Nation Name:British Empire
Nation Overview: The Sun Never Set on this one. During the Eastern European Wars the British Empire had a decidely neutral stance. Supplying capitalistic nations with goods but otherwise staying out.
Capital: London
Population: 1,000,000,000
Ethnicity: Caucasian, Arab, and African American
Religion: Protestant, Muslim, and some Catholicism in Ireland.
Largest Cities: London, Cairo, Dublin

Political Overview: Constitutional Monarchy
Form of Government: Democracy
Head of State: Alfred Tennison
Head of Government: Alfred Tennison

Economic Overview: We're Rich Biyatch
GDP: (adjusted for PPP) ?
GDP per capita: (adjusted for PPP) ?
Primary Exports: Cotton, Opium, Mutton, Dogs, Iron, Steel, Coal
Primary Imports: Silk, Pickles, and Hair Spray
Primary Trade Partners: China, India, and the Arabs

Military Overview: I'd say 10%
Military Budget: 30%
Military Budget: (percentage of GDP) Damn I forgot this stuff.
Military Manpower: (standing army) 100,000,000
Military Procurement: (volunteer-only, conscription, etc) 10,000

Dependencies: (please list ...) Egypt-Sudan, Palestine, Tanzania, Uganda, Nigeria, Gambia, Guyana, Malaysia, Singapore, Newfoundland, Labrador, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Rhodesia, Burma

For Each Dependency:
Dependency Overview:
Dependency Name:
Dependency Population: I included them in the overall population.
Dependency Main Products: Food
Dependency Military Forces: Included.

Other Information:
I hope I did this right.

Ninurta

21-11-2004, 00:25

Nation Name: United Socialist Arab Republics, known sometimes as USAR or as Syria.
Nation Overview: A series of motley governments were left when colonial powers abandoned the area. It quickly destabilized, the powers warring against each other. The Kuwaiti government was quickly destroyed by the Iraqis, who were hit by a Syrian army from the north. The Jordanian government wanted a piece of the pie, invaded, and was promptly destroyed by Saudi Arabia. Various other countries were destroyed in short order, until the Syrian and Saudi armies(if one could call them armies) were all that remained, gathered at opposite ends of the city Ar Rutbah. News of a communist revolution in Syria failed to reach the armies as they headed into a terrible war that led to the complete annihilation of the city and most of both armies. The two broke off fighting when they found that the new communist government in Syria had recruited a larger army to destroy the two, which it did. Advocating "United Arabia", the communist generals and their conscripted army marched into Riyadh. Other nations promptly surrendered to the centralized government.
Capital: Damascus(pop. 1,800,000)
Population: est. 150,000,000
Ethnicity: Various Arab ethnicities cover the land. Virtually no other ethnicities exist in the area, the exception being a tiny African singularity in the southwest.
Religion: The Grand Leader is a Shi'a Muslim
Largest Cities: Tehran, Damascus, Baghdad, Amman

Political Overview: USAR is officially ruled by King Shalmeneser(the name being taken from an Assyrian king), one of the few still alive from the inner circle of the communist revolution in Syria. The Socialist Party Council, officially an advisory body to the king, effectively rules the country through a network of loyalists within the government and successful intimidation of the king. As the king ages, the council is forced to deal with the possibility of him choosing a new king that may attempt to wrest power back from them. Nevertheless, neither the king nor the council disagree on many matters of international importance, both attempting to maintain communist dictatorships.
Form of Government: One-Party Oligarchy
Head of State: King Shalmaneser
Head of Government: Socialist Party Council

Economic Overview:
GDP: (adjusted for PPP) My calculations(based on modern day) come up with about $1 trillion, but your numbers for the two other countries make this seem a little underwhelming...
GDP per capita: $6,700(adjusted for PPP)
Primary Exports: Petroleum, Iron, Steel
Primary Imports: Machinery, Military Supplies, Foodstuffs
Primary Trade Partners: United States, Soviet Union

Military Overview: USAR, fearing internal rebellion or allied attack, conscripts huge amounts of its population into the military. Unlike traditional communist countries, oil revenue allows it to purchase competent supplies to give to their soldiers. USAR has made no attempt to research precision bombing, preferring instead cheaper, more deadly heavy bombing. While they have made very few strides as to an offensive navy, the USAR maintains a defensive navy capable of protecting the coastline in the south. The airforce is, large, but in the middle of a transition from aging models to modern ones.
Military Budget: $72,520,000,000
Military Budget: (percentage of GDP) 7.4%
Military Manpower: (standing army) about 3,200,000 soldiers
Military Procurement: (volunteer-only, conscription, etc) All men serve in the military beginning at age 18, until they decide to let you go. If you prove totally useless, you'll be kicked out early - while this seems to present a hole, it actually doesn't because they also write bad stuff all over your government papers - if they like you, you'll become an officer.

Dependencies: (please list ...) NONE

Other Information: USAR is quietly pursuing a space-based weapons program, seeing that it could lead to the end of the need for bombers as well as bomber escorts. They also foresee colonization of planets and moons in the outer solar system as vital to the spread of Islam in what may be an interplanetary human empire.
Syria also has its eye on adding Egypt and Sudan to the list of 'member states', as well as the remainder of Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, and Pakistan, in order to round out the Arab/Muslim countries.

Presgreif

21-11-2004, 01:12

OOC: Do we fill in the form with our NS details or the RL nation's details.

*Pokes Presgreif away with a big stick*

"Get away you filthy groupie!"

EDIT: Sorry, this is Kriegorgrad.

ooc: Address me in this way again and I will report you to the proper authorities.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 01:16

OOC: Damn groupies.

British Hannover

21-11-2004, 02:02

Ninurta- Yep ... that'll be fine. I'll post your claim in the first thread once I'm done with this.

Camel Eaters:
Sorry, but this is going to be a fairly long critique.

The population is way too high. The territories of the British Empire in Raggy, according to my old sheet is 444,800,000, or just under half a billion. Of those, about 69 million are actually British. The dependencies should be seperate from the total population because colonies aren't the same as your home territory. You're not going to be able to squeeze as many troops per capita, etc, etc. I know that's a royal pain in the ass regarding Britain, but you don't have to do the whole thing right now.

This is really minor, but I'm assuming Alfred Tennison is your PM. In Britain, the Head of State is the monarch, even though they have almost no political power.

Economically speaking, I calculated that Britain plus its Empire have a GDP of about $4.9 trillion, with about $1.8 trillion for the UK itself. The UK itself has a GDP per capita of about $26,000, with the Empire an average of about 8,000, which is much higher than IRL average of those territories.

The Military Overview is a short description of your military capablities. Regarding those military statistics ... 30% GDP on defence is virtually impossible for a democracy. Same with a 100 million man army. Probably what would be realistic is a 3% GDP on defence (IRL UK is 2% or 2.5%) and 1-2 million men total. The British have never maintained a huge peacetime standing army. It could be a bit more than that, but probably not a whole lot. The military procurement is just whether you use a volunteer army or a conscript army.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 02:45

Thank you. I just had to improvise because I wasn't told the combied pop. of the colonies and I've recently forgotten most of my economic classes stuff. So thanks once again for correcting me. I guess when the war starts conscripts 'ill go up.

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 03:06

Background Story Thread- http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375151 (Just a bit of a teaser almost)

Well, modern warfare (especially near future) is incredibly expensive. And the British aren't traditionally a huge army kind of civilization. The British are going to be doing a lot of aerial and marine forces combat as well as reinforcing their allies and keeping their colonies safe from China and the Arabs, etc.

Presgreif

21-11-2004, 03:11

I'm working on mine, you've given me alot to ponder. :)

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 03:17

If you go on AIM, I can help you with some data if you want it. I have information stockpiled for all of these countries, not everything that's needed for the application, but most of it (including the ever-so-tricky numbers). Same applies with everyone.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 03:24

Dude I read that one and it was awesome! I can't wait to start. I'll have my men fight like the Japanese in WWII. We don't surrender we fight ot the last so anyone trying to take us will have huge losses.

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 03:31

Thank you, but it's important to say that that future is what did happen, not what will happen. Obviously, something is going to change. It also has the handy effect of keeping something going on during the set up phase. :D

That being said, the British would assuredly fight like madmen, although the Russian telepaths would have weakened the government and army. Read the first introduction and I think you'll find out the big difference between Mr. Welle's horrible future and the reality of Raggy.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 03:48

I assume that Welles will not have any huge impact upon the war. Because otherwise you're just fucking with temporal mechanics and creating a paradox.

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 04:07

Okay, I'll admit that temporal mechanics isn't my strong suit. I'm rather stronger on history, and geography (especially human geography). But wouldn't it be more of a butterfly effect? In any case, it's a creative liberty. I don't intend for the war to be a predetermined Soviet victory.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 04:10

paradox. If Welles goes back in time and gives the guy the letter then that hcanges the outcome of the war. So he couldn't have gone back and given the guy the letter. In the best way of solving the paradox is this it creates an alternate reality. Thsi may seem useless but if you didn't create the paradox to begin with then their would be no alternate reality. Understand?

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 04:13

*does it in his head* Yeah. Alternate reality is fine.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 04:20

Also may my Commandos use an idea I've been toying with for awhile? The Radiation Rifle. It only has a few bullets to cartridge but those few can inflict great damage. Not immediately though. Each slug is at least a category 6 radiation effect (4 is fatal) These slugs act slowly they are designed to wound and then infect more people as they go along.

Example:
Alexander is a Soviet infantryman who is shot with one of these bullets. The medic that touches him is infected with the radiation poisoning because of contact with a level 6 substance. Alexander is shipped to an army hospital where he is operated on. The doctor's that treat him are infected and the utensils theyuse on him are infected in turn infecting other wounded that are operated upon. Of course the effect weakens over time from person to person. And these things are expensive as hell so only the most elite commandos get them.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 04:21

*does it in his head* Yeah. Alternate reality is fine.
it's a natural law of balance. Even temporal mechanics must bow to nature. And thank you for using my alternate reality theories in your Last Free Man thread.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 04:40

Damnit I found a hole. If WWI never happened then Soviet Russia would have never happened. Why? Because Lenin was living in Germany and the Germans wanted to remove the Russians from the war so what does Germany do? They send Lenin back to start a revolution and then the Czarist government collapses and Russia is out of the war and Lenin comes to power and the rest is history.

Ninurta

21-11-2004, 04:44

I edited my old post with the application.

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 04:51

Camel Eaters:
The Eastern War does that instead of WWI. There's a big war between German and Russia there. Austria-Hungary collapses and the Russians and Germans get into a war over it. The Germans send Lenin to destablize the Soviet government, etc, etc.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 04:52

Whoo! I feel better. So is my gun approved or am I not allowed to use it.

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 05:02

Camel Eaters:
Radiation Rifle, eh? Sounds okay ... but eventually they're going to get wise to that. Weapons like that have great initial shock power but it's not long before they come up with a counter for it.

Ninurta:
Good application. Iranians are ethnically different from Arabs, though, so it'd be about 2/3 or so Arabs and about 1/3 Persian. My economic figure that I came up with was $1.2 trillion, maybe about $1.3 trillion given a slightly larger population. About the oil money ... the Western countries are mostly post-fossil fuel societies. Given their limited petroleum resources, it became literally too precious to burn in cars. However, the Soviet Union and China would guzzle away your oil in incredible quantities.

The military stuff is pretty much fine, although you'd be at a huge disadvantage regarding space tech compared to the USA and Germany (who would have been able to continued Werhner's rocket experiments). Lebanon is already a part of your state, though. So no need to annex it. :)

Generally speaking, the Comintern nations are going to have rather greater quantity than the Allies, but a bit of a quality gap. It about evens out in the end. Speaking of ... I hope to hell we get a Japan soon. And an India and a France.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 05:30

I guess my first battles will be against the USAR. Bastards trying to take Egypt-Sudan.

Ninurta

21-11-2004, 05:47

Ninurta:
Good application. Iranians are ethnically different from Arabs, though, so it'd be about 2/3 or so Arabs and about 1/3 Persian. My economic figure that I came up with was $1.2 trillion, maybe about $1.3 trillion given a slightly larger population. About the oil money ... the Western countries are mostly post-fossil fuel societies. Given their limited petroleum resources, it became literally too precious to burn in cars. However, the Soviet Union and China would guzzle away your oil in incredible quantities.

That's all cool. Thanks.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 06:48

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Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 06:56

Well, that was an incoherent bump if I've ever seen one. Unless that's Celtic for 'bump' or something.

Of the Abyss

21-11-2004, 07:10

May I be Italy, India, or Japan?

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 07:17

Italy is already claimed. India and Japan are still open, though.

Of the Abyss

21-11-2004, 07:21

In that case I think I'll be Japan, ok?

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 07:30

Alrighty. I'll put up the claim.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 17:44

Of the Abyss
You're going to have to take on Russia by yourself until I can smash through the French and aid you. Hope you can hold out. I might be able to give you a few thousand Canadians though.

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 18:32

Camel Eaters:
Of The Abyss won't have to take on Russia alone by the time the war actually starts ... there's Germany and pals. (While the Central Powers are nominally another power bloc, don't think they're going to side with the Russians.) Secondly, there is no Canada as such ... it's part of the FAS. (Federation of American States).

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 19:06

Yeah but I have Labrador and Newfoundland under my control. So this is kind of a three way WW. With the Central block possibly going either way?

Nordrreich

21-11-2004, 21:12

Well, there's some stuff that happens before the war but I'm going to need to talk to the FAS player before I put that one up.

Camel Eaters

21-11-2004, 21:14

I know a guy who might be good for the FAS. Crazed Marines you should TG him. He's really the only one who can do the FAS justice.

Of the Abyss

22-11-2004, 04:56

Empire of Nippon

Nation Overview-Strange for a colonial power, Japan industrialized its conquests in Asia. Its military is large and well trained. Most of its major public and military officials are samauri. Japan is set for a rise to glory.

Capital-Tokyo
Population-275,363,672
Ethnicity- Nippon 60%, Vietnamese 20%, Cambodian 20%
Religion-Shinto/Buddist 100%
Large Cities-Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki,Phnom, Hana, Akihito City(Ho Chi Minh City),Kobe, Sapporo, Yokohama,Osaka, Nagoya.

Political Overview-Same as pre WW2 Japan, no one ever invaded to change it, and the samuari institution was to entrenched in their society yo allow change.

Government- Empire/colonial
Head of State- Emperor Akihito
Head of Goverment- Tito Karishma(Titos grandson)

Economy-The Empire of Nippon has one of the worlds most powerful economies competing with Germany for 3rd place.

GDP real growth-2.9
GDP- 4.06 trillion
GDP per capita- 33,284
Primary Exports-Electronics, automobiles, boat chassis, foodstuffs
Primary Imports-Armaments, oil, raw materials
Primary Trade Partners(Export)-FAS(25%). Britain(13%), India(11%)
Primary Trade Partners(Import)-FAS(21%), India(19%), Italy(16%)

Military Overview- As of late Japan has been buying as much oil as possible,in possible preperation for a war, though many of theyre tanks and ships are nuclear powered, as most of the oil is in communist nations. Its military consists primarily of a elite navy and air force. Both of which are ranked in the top 5 for efficiency and training if not power.

Military Budget- 162,400,000,000
Military Budget percentage of GDP-4%
Military Manpower-1.5 million men
Military Procurement- Citizens 'volunteer' which is essentially brainwashing(you people know how fanatical the Japs were in WW2)

(My aim sn is theprophet234)

Presgreif

22-11-2004, 06:05

New Shiron

22-11-2004, 06:54

Which, as a Canadian, I can tell you is about as realistic as China and Japan willingly entering into union...

well, I am going to be the FAS player, and I have been thinking about that...

NORAD is an integrated defensive alliance between the US and Canada, plus we have NAFTA (which was more for the US and Canada than for Mexico, although they are benefiting possibly more than either)....

plus we had if I remember correctly, a threat by the western most Canadian proviences to seceed and join the US if Quebec continued its nationalist ways....(a few years ago if I remember correctly)

we have greater threats in this timeline than in the real life one

so all and all we have some reasonable ground to work with... I just have to come up with a reasonable storyline for it to make sense.

if necessary, I can always come up with a bit of alternate history...

on New Years Day, 1776, Generals Montgomery and Arnold (as in Benedict Arnold) were poised to attack Quebec (city). Many of the Yankees (they were all from New England anyway) had smallpox, plus all were starving.

Do to bad luck, the Americans failed to get surprise and the attack was narrowly repulsed. Montgomery was killed, Arnold wounded, and most of the attack force was captured or killed. The survivors retreated home. Meanwhile, other American troops took Montreal but had to retreat in the spring when the British Navy landed reinforcements at Quebec.

But with good luck (American point of view) the Yankees take Quebec and Montreal both, and persuade the French Canadians to join the Revolution.
Which eventually succeeds and the British are left with only Newfoundland and Labrador....

Presgreif

22-11-2004, 06:57

If you at all understood the Canadian dynamic, you would realize that this thing is a near impossibility. Sorry.

New Shiron

22-11-2004, 07:02

If you at all understood the Canadian dynamic, you would realize that this thing is a near impossibility. Sorry.

Well I do know enough about Canadian history to tell you that if the Yankees had won in 1775, the 30,000 plus Loyalists who went to Canada after the American Revolution would have gone to Newfoundland instead of Ontario... the Canadian dynamic would be fundamentally changed at the outset.

But that is a arguement for another thread and day.... basically it just has to be plausable, not foolproof, this is after all, fiction. Poetic license is allowed.

by the way, the Norrdreich player IS Canadian, so his idea, not mine (I am a tranplanted Texan living in California which makes me American)

British Hannover

22-11-2004, 22:01

Camel Eaters: I think New Shiron can do a good job. He's RPed the US before, although in a historical context in one of my RPs.

I understand the Canadian dynamic perfectly well. The last thing I want IRL is union with the US (no offense to Americans, but I like Canada and really dislike your current head of state). But politics aside ... it's a poetic license thing.

I believe this debate would be resolved by reading the beginning thread. Basically, there has always been an element of campiness in Ragnarok. I tried to get rid of it on IRC, but ultimately embraced it to a certain extent instead. It'll probably play a bit more sober on NS than on IRC, but I doubt it will be exactly literal. Although I think the result will be different.

I think I was a little conservative with the military estimates given the very heated cold war atmosphere/slash arms race. Although general parameters ... Allied/Central Powers nations probably shouldn't have any more than about 10% of GDP on armaments. (dead maximum ... I'd say 5% would probably be more expected) And as for the Comintern ... well, just keep it within some measure of reason.

Regarding relative technology levels, the different forces are going to have different aptitudes, but I think it will be reasonably equivalent. IRC Raggy was calculated for an Allied victory (because that would lead to the next chapter), but I want this one to be fairly coin-tossy. With the inclusion of the Central Powers nations in the Allied camp, that should approximately equal the deck.

There are likely to be some differences, though and important ones. The Allies are mostly post-fossil fuel economies ... most of the oil is located in Comintern nations. Petroleum is literally too valuable to burn in cars. The Soviets, Chinese, etc, don't have this problem. This tends to make Allied vehicles of all sorts more expensive, but probably with somewhat higher performance attributes.

In military terms, the Comintern is going to have a dramatic numerical superiority in land forces to the Allies. Air power will probably be more or less equal. But the Allies will almost certainly dominate the oceans. No less than three traditional big-time naval powers (UK, Japan and FAS) are represented in the Allied ranks. Also, their position as Western Hemisphere or island powers makes it a priority.

Futhermore, in the absence of a dramatic social revolution, nuclear power is big. For example, Germany's power grid is probably about 70% nuclear, the FAS would be probably nuclear/hydropower and Japan would be probably nuclear. The really alternative stuff is well along and fusion reactors might be popping up a bit.

If someone knows some really good websites detailing what's in development militarily that would be good.

British Hannover

22-11-2004, 22:13

Of The Abyss:
It's really good. Just a few things. Religion in Japan is a tricky thing ... it's a syncretic Buddhist/Shinto society. Emperor Worship would fall under 'Shinto'. Asian societies tend to mix and match faiths much more than Western ones. The oil part is of only modest value ... Western societies in this world do not use petroleum for fuel too much. It's mostly used for plastics, etc. Most of your ships would be nuclear powered ... Germany at least, is experimenting with nuclear powered tanks.

Your military establishment is probably a bit on the small side ... I'd probably imagine such a Japan would have a military establishment about 50% larger in manpower, with a military budget of 3-4% GDP. However, I agree about the emphasis on the navy and air force. But really, it's a good application. Welcome aboard.

New Shiron

22-11-2004, 22:22

Federation of American States overview

History
1914 – 1921
Canada and the US continue to develop their frontier areas, with the US also governing the Philippines and frequently intervening in the Caribbean. Neither nation had a big impact on the world politik, but occasionally the US would make sure its wishes were known which led to the 10 Party treaty in China, giving everyone a slice of the economic pie.

1921 – 1925
The First Eastern War was fought as the Austrian Hungarian Empire collapsed. The Canadians joined in when the British did, but the US stayed out until the last year of the war, committing primarily naval forces and some ground troops to assist the British and French.

1925 – 1935
The rise of consumerism in both Canada and the US led to a revolution in economics as both nations discovered they had more than enough people to buy their own products. The US especially became the economic giant ahead of all others, with output greater than Western Europe combined and excluding Europe greater than the rest of the world put together. The US continued to intervene in the Caribbean and forced stability on many of the small republics there.

1935 – 1940
The overheated American economy imploded partially, causing the Great Depression that spread world wide. Concerns over possible communist revolution caused much needed reforms that did much to alleviate the Depression but full recovery did not really take place until the 2nd Eastern War increased demand for American goods and the Great Pacific War put the US on a wartime economy. The Canadians joined the British with reluctance in the Eastern War and also participated with the Americans in the Pacific War.

1941 – 1944
The US fought the Great Pacific War with the Japanese. The war began with Japanese victories in Malaya, the Philippines and the Dutch East Indies, and the destruction through air attack of the British Eastern fleet near Malaya. The US fought the war under its War Plan Orange, and initially suffered an embarrassing defeat of its own when it attacked the Gilbert Islands, losing 3 battleships to Japanese aircraft and suffering heavy losses of carrier planes and damage to 2 of its carriers. Within a year though, a massive new fleet joined the pre war fleet, along with thousands of transports, landing craft and support ships, and the US conquered the Gilbert, Marshal and Marina Islands by 1942 -43, and liberated the Philippines and took Borneo in 1944. Facing total defeat the Japanese offered a settlement, and unwilling to invade Japan, and with the British exhausted after they took back Malaya and Burma and with neither the British or Americans much interested in conquering the Dutch East Indies, the basis of a compromise was worked out. The Americans knew the Japanese were broke anyway, and fully expected their empire in China and Korea to collapse (which subsequently occurred post war) and had no interest in taking back Indochina for the French. The Treaty of Manila ended the war on October 23, 1944. The Japanese were allowed to keep Indochina, but forced to give back the Dutch East Indies (which soon became the nation of Indonesia after they revolted from Dutch rule), but the British and Japanese Empires faded soon after, with the Japanese keeping only Indochina.

1945 – 1970
Canada was disillusioned by the Second Eastern War and shortly after that dissolved its military partnership with the British Empire. Canada became increasingly isolationist, with its only military interests being the defense of North America. NORAD came about shortly after that, and the Canadians dramatically reduced its defense spending of the next decade and a half. The US retained its powerful (although shrank it in size) fleet, and kept an air force equally as powerful, but both the US and Canada let their ground forces shrink massively in size but retained enough capability to retain a cadre for wartime and have sufficient forces for occasional interventions if needed. The US focused its energies on helping Japan rebuild, particularly after China became a unified Communist state and to prevent undo German or Russian influence in the Pacific. Europe was essentially ignored as was the rest of the world as the US focused on maintaining dominance in the Pacific and Western Hemisphere, and a powerful fleet to insure the Atlantic remained a moat protecting fortress North America. However, the US did continue Goddards experiments with rocketry, sending up its first satellites in the late 1950s and its first space planes in the 1960s. A planned development of nuclear pulse powered space craft was cancelled after the effects of radiation and its spread were determined by nuclear testing conducted by many of the larger powers.

1970 – 2007
The increasing price of oil, the instability in the Middle East and the resurgence of Communism forced the US and Canada to move even closer together, and forced increasing capital spending on alternate energy sources. Military spending finally began to increase as well as it became apparent that the Communists were a threat from both east and west. The US finally deployed significant numbers of nuclear armed missiles for the first time but the bulk of US and Canadian spending was focused on strengthening NORAD and a large anti ballistic missile defense system was deployed alongside the large anti bomber defense system. With the development of cruise missiles, even more money was spent and most reserve Canadian and US forces were converted over to continental defense missions. The US also put up orbital space stations in the 1970s and 1980s, with better ones coming along in the late 1990s and a trip to the moon as well.

A nascent communist insurgency developed roots in the Quebec Seperatist movement and although it was eventually rooted out (mostly by police action) it still permanently made Canada an enemy of the Communist world. A Communist guerilla movement in the Philippines had a similar effect on the US, and also forced the US to deploy troops there in the 1970s to prevent Communist victory (a 10 year involvement).

By the early part of the 21st Century, the US and Canadian economies were so integrated that unification began to look logical and inevitable. Unimpressed by the British Empire, which still remained, the Canadians decided they had more in common with the Americans than with the mother country.

Eventually, American and Canadian political parties developed unification planks in their platforms and called for a constutional convention to formerly unify the continent under one government. Sectional differences also in the United States wanted similar goals and so in Niagara Falls, after a national referendum in both countries, a new constitution was hammered out. Native American concerns in northern Canada and the issue of Quebec were also incorporated into the new government. Canadian concerns over the US dominating the government were dealt with by the US breaking up into several smaller countries which suited many Americans as well. Only the Canadian Maritime provinces chose to stay outside of the new government and they rejoined the British as Newfoundland and Labrador. Both did remain in NORAD however.

Signatory nations Federation of American States
Quebec
New England (Maine to Pennsylvania)
Maritime Canada
Western Canada (less British Columbia)
Texas
Alaska
Dixie (traditional plus Maryland, Delaware, Missouri but not Florida)
Florida (includes Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands)
Hawaii (includes Marina, Marshal, Gilbert islands plus American Samoa)
Ecotopia (California, British Columbia, Oregon, Washington, Nevada)
Rocky Mountain Republic (New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Colorado)
Utah
Jefferson (the US Plain states except Texas west of Mississippi)
Great Lakes Republic (US Midwest states)
Nanavut
Northwest Territories
Yukon Territory

Government consists of an Executive Branch (President), Legislative Branch (Senate and Parliament), and Judicial Branch (Supreme Court). Each signatory nation gets 2 Senators, and proportional representation in Parliament. The Senate and Parliament function like the old US House and Senate. The electoral college is retained to ensure that the cities do not overwhelmingly determine who will be president and to ensure the lightly populated areas get a say.

The Federation handles national defense, regulation of internal and international trade, macroecological issues, and ensures the civil rights of all people in the Federation. The Nations handle health and welfare, internal commerce issues, and oversee the states. The States (and provinces) handle typical local matters of concern, especially education and heath and welfare, and local communities typically handle local concerns. The Federation raises funds by corporate income tax plus tariffs and fees, while the Nations raise funds through personal income taxes, sales taxes, and value added taxes, the states by sales taxes and fees, and the communities by land taxes and fees.

2007 – 2020
In recent years the FAS has experienced another economic revolution as the old Industrial Revolution model is overtaken by the Post Industrial model and fossil fuels make way to hydrogen and nuclear power systems, including fusion power for the first time.

These new power systems, the increased importance of space (especially satellites) and efforts by other powers to place military forces in space forced the FAS to develop a full time Space Force in 2008. The rise of paranormal research, especially in Europe and Russia, forced the FAS (using research developed in the 1960s and 1970s by the CIA) to place more funding there as well.

The excellent civil liberties found in the FAS also made it a haven for people with ESPER powers who fled from hostile nations elsewhere in the world, and like all immigrants to North America, they soon fit into the mainstream of North American culture.

ooc application information later today

Nordrreich

22-11-2004, 22:47

New Shiron- Good stuff. Can you come on MSN?

I'm probably going to go back and edit a few things in my own application. But they're probably going to be works in progress, generally speaking.

New Shiron

22-11-2004, 23:39

New Shiron- Good stuff. Can you come on MSN?

I'm probably going to go back and edit a few things in my own application. But they're probably going to be works in progress, generally speaking.

can't do MSN right now.. at work, but after 8 PM Pacific Time should be able to

Nordrreich

22-11-2004, 23:43

New Shiron:
Fair enough. Although I might or might not be on ... it's a bit iffy.

Generally:
As for when this is going to start ... soonish is the best answer I can give. Won't be until after Thursday though, because that's when term work is over for me. Looks like it should be interesting.

New Shiron

23-11-2004, 00:25

New Shiron

23-11-2004, 01:44

Application Form: player New Shiron
Nation Name: Federation of American States
Nation Overview: North America north of Mexico (Canada and USA)
Capital: New Columbia (ex Padacah Kentucky) Federal District
Population: 340 million
Ethnicity: Nearly everything but 40% European, 20% Latin American, 20% Black, 10% Asian, 5% Native American, 5% other or mixed
Religion: Freedom of Religion, all religions represented plus some kooky sects
Largest Cities: New York City, Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, Toronto, are all over 3 million, many others 1 million or larger

Political Overview: Democratic Capitalist
Form of Government: Democratic Republic (Constitutional)
Head of State: President of the Federation
Head of Government: President of the Federation

Economic Overview: Huge powerful industrial and post industrial nation
GDP: (adjusted for PPP) $17 Trillion
GDP per capita: (adjusted for PPP) $50,000
Primary Exports: leading industrial and agricultural power of the world
Primary Imports: Strategic materials, consumer goods, machinery, food and beverages
Primary Trade Partners: Mexico, Japan, UK, Germany, China,

Military Overview: Most powerful air force and navy, relatively small army
Military Budget: $500 Billion annually (more in wartime)
Military Budget: (percentage of GDP) 3 – 4 % (varies)
Military Manpower: (standing army) 3 Million full time, 3 million reservists
Military Procurement: (volunteer-only, conscription, etc) volunteer only force

Dependencies: (please list ...)
American Samoa, Baker Island, Guam, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Palmyra Atoll, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Wake Island Palau concluded a Compact of Free Association with the US (effective 1 October 1994); the Federated States of Micronesia signed a Compact of Free Association with the US (effective 3 November 1986); the Republic of the Marshall Islands signed a Compact of Free Association with the US (effective 21 October 1986)

None have significant economies or military forces (or are already factored in) but Samoa, Palau, Puerto Rico, and the Mariana islands have significant naval and air force bases and small or medium sized garrisons.

OOC details on military forces will come later
capital changed to a more congenial climate closer to the center of the Continent that still met requirements of communications and travel access.

Nordrreich

23-11-2004, 01:48

I guess it would be like that adjusted for inflation, wouldn't it?

New Shiron

23-11-2004, 05:43

by the way, Japan, does the FAS have access to the port of Yokahoma? and are the Australians and New Zealanders US allies (does the ANZUS treaty exist)?

Nordrreich

23-11-2004, 05:48

Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are self-governing Dominions of the British Empire. I know someone who's interested in Australia. And a note to you, Cuba, Liberia and the Philippines are all FAS protectorates (like Dominions generally speaking).

Of the Abyss

23-11-2004, 05:49

I was assuming it did, but the Japanese military forces arnet push overs.

New Shiron

23-11-2004, 05:56

I was assuming it did, but the Japanese military forces arnet push overs.

what I meant to say is since the Japanese and FAS are buddies post war (according the original conditions defined in the RP setup), does the American Navy have access to Japanese port facilities?

I assumed that the US has bases in Cuba and Philippines (although a volcano took care of Clark Field) but Subic Bay and Nichols AFB are useful.

I figure the Americans have their 600 ship navy (15 CVN groups, plus about 100 SSN and 20 SSBN or SSGN), the Marine Corps is about 4 divisions, and the Army about 12 divisions, with a large Air Force and a bigger than OTL Space Command (Space Force), and NORAD is more like the old Soviet PVO, with lots of interceptors, ABM/SAM launchers and radar stations.

Of the Abyss

23-11-2004, 06:23

Yes it does, just as long as Japanese forces have access to American ones, though we will probably not use them.

New Shiron

23-11-2004, 06:30

works for me .... fits in well with the overall US need to dominate the Pacific and between the US and Japan, ensures the Soviets have a hard time getting to the Pacific if we don't want them to

a general question.... do the Japanese still hold on to Taiwan (which in a compromise peace they might have kept and might have prevented the Chicoms from getting).... this provides a useful flash point for the game if Japan still has it (along with the general Chinese not liking the Japanese much). What about Korea, were the Japanese able to hold on to it after the Great Pacific War and China becoming communist. Once again, another possible flash point although I can see the Chinese getting it from a weakened Japanese Empire postwar (after all, Korea was a Chinese client state for most of its history).

Of the Abyss

23-11-2004, 06:43

I dont really know, it wasnt calculated into my population. So i dont think so, but just ask Nordrreich, he will know.

Camel Eaters

23-11-2004, 11:52

I'm going to say for me.

8,000 RAF (or more)
800 RAF Battle Carriers

10 total Infantry Divisions
20 total Support Divisions

500 RNB (Royal Navy of Britain) Battle Cruisers
several thousand tugboats
100 Semi/Full Nuclear Subs

So how many did I miss?

Yeah it is a great day when I become a wall flower. Who else is taking on France and the USAR?

Nordrreich

23-11-2004, 21:54

The State of Asia:
Taiwan (Republic of China)- Is an independent state under Japanese and FAS protection. Not recognized (surprise, surprise) by China.

Korea- Is an independent state and is unified. There would probably be a fairly large FAS/Japanese garrison in the north. ((About double what the IRL US keeps in South Korea)

Korea and Taiwan were kept by Japan after the war, but presumably were granted independence in part of a policy to make relations between the FAS and Japan friendlier. Taiwan in particular is something of a showpiece for the mainland Chinese, ie, of both prosperity and democracy.

Of the Abyss

24-11-2004, 00:25

So are Korea and Taiwan essentially satellites of Nippon?

British Hannover

24-11-2004, 02:46

A cynic might say that. There's no real official Japanese control of either, although there are Japanese troops stationed there to help protect Korea. And, of course, there's the economic influence. However, there's little reason for Korea or Taiwan to act against Japan's interests anyway. The Allies have to stick pretty closely together or the Commies will assuredly pick em' off one by one.

Of the Abyss

24-11-2004, 03:11

Just checking

Nordrreich

24-11-2004, 03:21

Camel Eaters:
I think that force is rather too large, considering that the FAS has a fleet of six hundred ships. And they are THE power of this RP.

More General Military Question:
I noticed the number of divisions is fairly low ... is that just reflecting the difference between active combat troops and support staff or are divisions bigger nowadays than they used to be? (about 10,000)

Camel Eaters

24-11-2004, 04:05

New Shiron

24-11-2004, 19:14

I would suggest for the British, and for that matter, anybody else, that you take a look at current military forces for the nation you are playing, and maybe double them (as everyone has a smaller military than they did during the Cold War period).

http://www.warships1.com/index_links/links_navy.htm this link has links to websites with current information

the British for example have websites for their armed forces, as do a lot of others including the Japanese (although you need translating software for some of those....babblefish works good)

Of the Abyss

24-11-2004, 20:16

The only problem with that for me is that the Japanese of our time period rely on the USA for support, and in this one the Samauri Institution was never abolished. So the Japanese in this game are much more militaristic, or at least that was my interpertation.

Presgreif

24-11-2004, 21:30

So, where's this time line you were promising...

Nordrreich

24-11-2004, 22:04

Timeline ... the timeline will come later this week or this weekend. I'm going to Winnipeg tonight, so tonight is out. Sorry, the beginning of this week has been pretty busy.

Presgreif

24-11-2004, 22:10

That's fine. I'll just wait for the timeline, then.

Nordrreich

26-11-2004, 04:30

Okay ... I'm just going to start this. This is a list of the major wars.

First Eastern War (1917-1920)
Combatants: (primary) Germany, Hungary, Russia, Serbia, Romania
Deaths: 4,250,000
Victor and Result: Germany emerges victorious, gains Russian Poland, Austria and Bohemia-Moravia. The Baltic Republics gain their independence.

Russian Civil War: (1920-1923)
Combatants: (primary) Russian Communists, Russian non-Communists
Deaths: 5,120,000
Victor and Result: The Red Army, formed by Leon Trotsky is successful in overthrowing the White Armies. The Soviet Union is established but at a horrific price.

Second Russian Civil War: (1925-1927)
Combatants: Soviet Union, Trotskyists, Baltic States
Deaths: 4,250,000
Victor and Result: Stalin solidifies his control over the Soviet Union in this bloody conflict. Leon Trotsky is forced to flee to Germany, where he takes refuge. The Soviet Union also successfully retakes the Baltic States and Finland, but only at horrific cost.

Spanish Civil War: (1936-1939)
Combatants: Spanish Communists, Spanish Nationalists
Deaths: 500,000-750,000
Victor and Result: The French and Soviet-backed Communists triumped over the German and Italian-backed Nationalists. About 400,000 Nationalist Spaniards left for Argentina, helping to turn Argentina to the Central Powers. France became a controlling power in the region.

Second Eastern War: (1940-1944)
Combatants: (primary) Germany, Hungary, Russia, Serbia, Romania
(secondary) United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, etc.
Deaths: 12,700,000
Victor and Result: Germany emerges triumphant, but does not make any gains due to British knavery at the bargaining table. The Soviet Union is permitted to continue existing.

Great Pacific War: (1941-1944)
Combatants: (primary) Japan, FAS, United Kingdom, Netherlands, China, etc
Deaths: 8,750,000
Victor and Result: The FAS emerges victorious in this conflict against Japanese imperial ambitions. The British manage to take back their colonies along with the Dutch East Indies. Ultimately, however, the FAS and Japan make a compromise peace and quickly become allies.

Franco-German War: (1944-1945)
Combatants: (primary) France, Germany
Deaths: 850,000
Victor and Result: Germany demolishes France and takes the remainder of Alsace-Lorraine and a huge indemity.

Russian Interference in Franco-German War: (1944)
Combatants: (primary) Russia, Germany
Deaths: 820,000
Victor and Result: Russia unwisely attacks East Prussia and is repulsed, but this is only the beginning of Russian woes in this foolish attack. The Germans drop the world's first nuclear weapon on the city of Riga, killing over 350,000 people.

Chinese Civil War: (1945-1949)
Combatants: Chinese Communists, Chinese Nationalists
Deaths: 5,560,000
Victor and Result: The Chinese Communists, with aid from the Soviet Union, emerge triumphant against the Nationalists, who are allowed to flee to the then Japanese-controlled island of Taiwan.

Indian Civil War: (1947-1949)
Combatants: Indian Communists/Muslims, Indian Democrats/Hindus (mostly)
Deaths: 2,525,900
Victor and Result: With German aid, India managed to throw off the Chinese Communist-assisted Muslim Socialist League. However, part of India was split off and set up as the independent state of Pakistan.

Korean War: (1950-1952)
Combatants: Korea, Japan, FAS, other nations
Deaths: 4,200,000
Victor and Result: The Chinese Communist invaders are pushed out of Korea by Korean, Japanese and American forces. This allows the fledgling Korean Republic to continue its development towards democracy and prosperity.

Balkans Civil War: (1960's)
Combatants: Union of Eastern Balkan Republics
Deaths: Unknown, probably over 1 million
Victor and Result: Order was eventually restored in the UEBR, although simmering difficulties linger.

War of Arab Unification: (1960's)
Combatants: Most Muslim nations
Deaths: 3,800,000 (approximate)
Victor and Result: The Syrian-led Communist armies managed to unify most of the Arab world under the USAR.

Wars of Muslim Unification: (1965-1971)
Combatants: USAR, Persia, Turkey
Deaths: 3,530,000 (approximate)
Victor and Result: The shahdom of Persia was forcibly annexed to the USAR, however, the Turkish Republic managed to beat off the attackers and remained independent.

Indo-Pakistani War: (1969-1973)
Combatants: India, Pakistan
Deaths: 1,350,000
Victor and Result: India decisively defeated the Pakistani invasion of India but refrained from making territorial demands in the peace settlement.

Indo-Chinese War: (1976-1977)
Combatants: India, China
Deaths: 660,000
Victor and Result: The Chinese invasion was beaten back by Indian Defence Forces, however, the war soon petered out along the borders and a compromise peace was soon made.

Soviet 'Civil War': (1991-1993)
Combatants: Soviet Communists, reformers, liberals
Deaths: 500,000 (fighting), 1,350,000 (estimated, purges, executions)
Victor and Result: The Soviet reformist movement, led by then leader Mikhail Gorbachev led to what looked like the dissolution of the USSR. However, a hardcore neo-Stalinist coup was led by several leading generals in the Soviet Union. They obtained power by 1992 and effectively destroyed many of the reforms made by the Soviet Union in Gorbachev's regime. Almost 500,000 refugees managed to leave, including Gorbachev himself.

Hungarian Civil War: (1991-1992)
Combatants: Hungary, Germany, Italy, Hungarian rebels
Deaths: 85,000-190,000 (estimates vary)
Victor and Result: The ethnic Magyar dominant minority (about 45%) managed to retain their dominance of Hungary against separatist forces, strongest among Romanian communists. The Slovaks, however, limited their demands to some autonomy within Hungary. However, a German expeditionary force of over 100,000 troops, along with an Italian force of about a third of that number led to the rapid reestablishment of order. The Slovaks got what they wanted.

Franco-Yugoslav War: (1993-?)
Combatants: France, UEBR
Deaths: ?
Victor and Result: No clear winner, the sides agreed to a status quo peace and a loose alliance.

Presgreif

26-11-2004, 06:40

Well, that still leaves about 60 years of history unaccounted for...

Generic empire

26-11-2004, 07:19

((OOC: Can I get in on this?))

Nation: Union of Eastern Balkan Republics

The Balkan peninsula had long been a Red stepchild, accepting Russian rule through puppet governments via a shared understanding of the assurance of total subjugation as opposed to the peaceful coexistence they were instead allowed. In the late fifties, however, as the FAs began to grow nervous at the unchecked expansion of the soviet empire, allied agents went to work in the Balkans, creating a small rift between schools of thought in the region which began to slowly widen.

Eventually, the rift evolved into a clear distinction of communist and capitalist system supporters in the Balkans, and tensions subsequently began to mount. The eastern peninsula, namely Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, and eastern Yugoslavia were so firmly under the hand of the Russians, that they sided solely with their historic rulers and continued to accept communism.

The western Balkans were more vulnerable to western ideals, however, due to the fact that several Yugoslavian civil wars had raged uncontrollably over the years had kept Russian influence relatively light in the western peninsula.

The rift widened and friction grew until the pot bubbled over. Yugoslavia was the center of this overflow, being an impressionistic country due to the raging civil wars. In 1960, the great Belgrade riots marked the culmination of the tension between the two factions. For three days, Communists and Capitalists battled in the streets, leaving hundreds dead, and billions of dollars in property damage.

As order eventually returned, elsewhere the tensions also seemed about to break. So, at the behest of mother Russia, who was no doubt alarmed by the prospect of a full blown capitalist revolution, the eastern communists formed the UEBA. The governments agreed less out of love for the communist system, then out of a growing fear of chaos consuming the land.

There were many in the eastern member nations who were displeased by the amalgamation of states, a strong breech in national sovereignty, and so Russia again played her hand behind the scenes. The loudest of the dissenters were removed, silently. This marked the beginning of the institution of the Rubellai mandate, a mysterious edict from the UEBR republics that allowed harsh or even extreme measures to be taken to preserve order in the Balkans.

Now, in 2014, the UEBR stands as a single nation ruled by a President without a name. The people refer to him as 'Our Father.' In reality, this man is not one man, but a secret council of statesmen and military leaders charged with preserving the union.

This is a nation ruled with an iron fist; a police state obsessed with preserving order. The region is still a powder keg. If one piece breaks, the whole union is likely to fall apart. Thus, order is necessary above all else.

Russia still plays heavily in her politics, but the UEBR has moved slowly away from true communism. Of course the people are confined to the bonds of the system, but the UEBR government makes a heavy profit on underground arms dealings and even the drug trade. The Russian benefactors do not complain, in return of course for a slight tax on profits. But money is necessary if the UEBA intends to keep her stability. Guns cost money, after all.

Nordrreich

26-11-2004, 22:42

Priesgrief- Work in progress.

Generic Empire ... you are going to be able to claim MUCH of that territory, but not the whole thing. There's a larger Hungarian nation that controls much of Romania and a good chunk of Serbia (the part north of the Danube river) and Italy controls Slovenia and most of the Dalmatian (Croatian) coast.

And the stupid uploader is being, well, stupid. *grrs*

Presgreif

26-11-2004, 23:00

Ah, then I, as always, will wait for the full gamma of information. ;)

Generic empire

26-11-2004, 23:44

Halibris

26-11-2004, 23:58

Nordrreich, when did the British leave India, and the Muslim Socialist League come in?

Nordrreich

27-11-2004, 01:47

Generic Empire: The history is good.

Halibiris: India gained its independence in 1947. The Muslim Socialist League formed in the 30's as a countermovement to Ghandi and Nehru's (mostly) non-violent independence movement. After the Indian Civil War of 1947-1949, the Muslim Socialist League took up headquarters is what is modern IRL Pakistan.

Nordrreich

28-11-2004, 03:42

bumpeth!

Halibris

28-11-2004, 04:12

I think this is everything...

Application Form
Federated States of India
Nation Overview:
Taking advantage of the bickering Indian kingdoms, Europeans began colonizing the subcontinent, with the British becoming the sole ruler of the nation. Towards the beginning of the 20th Century, organized Indian independence movements began to form. The Muslim Socialist League, established in 1932, looked for the forcible removing of the British from power and the installation of a Communist, Muslim state. The Hindu-majority Indian National Congress, led by the Mahatma Gandhi, looked peacefully for an independent Indian nation from the British.

Germany, bitter towards the British, began giving large donations to Indian independence movements. The National Congress distributed the money and goods to the general Indian population, in the hopes of lessening dependence on British companies. The M.S.L. used the funds to carry out sabotage attacks against British targets, mainly that of the military.

Tired of governing an India that was growing less profitable and more volatile, Britain granted independence to India in 1947. At the same time, conflict was rapidly escalating between Muslims and Hindus, reaching the breaking point in mid-1947 when M.S.L. officials declared themselves the legitimate government of India. So began the Indian Civil War, lasting until 194 , when Socialist Muslims and democrat Hindus reached a treaty that established the nation of Pakistan.
Capital: New Delhi
Population: 1,053,600,239
Ethnicity: Indo-Aryan 72%, Dravidian 25%, Mongoloid and Other 3%
Religion: Hindi 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.33%, Sikhs 1.84%, Buddhist .76%, Jain .40%, Other
Largest Cities: Delhi (13.9 million), Calcutta (13.3 million), Mumbai [Bombay] (13,120,000), Chennai [Madras] (6.1 million)

Political Overview: The Federated States of India is a democratic, semi-authoritarian state that borrows somewhat from Germany. The Raj exercises considerable power in foreign affairs, and the chancellor in domestic and governmental matters.
Form of Government: Constitutional Monarchy, with a bicameral legislature.
Head of State: Raj (P. Chidambaram)
Head of Government: Chancellor (Dr. M. Singh)
Upper House: Council of States (Directly elected by people, two from each state)
Lower House: House of People (Directly elected by people, based on state population.)
Major Parties: National Democrats (Authoritarian, center-right), National Congress Party (center-left), Federation Party (center-left), National Indian Party (center-right), Democratic Socialist Party, Fascist Union of India(Far-right, nationalist), Communist Party of India (Soviet Union supporters), Worker’s Party of India (Marxist, opposed to Soviet Union), Green Party
Council: 56 seats
House: 530 seats

Economic Overview: India stands as one of the world’s fastest growing economies, with a real GDP growth rate of 6%. The Central powers, especially Germany, have heavy investments and interests in India.
GDP: $3.023 trillion
GDP per capita: $3,000
Primary Exports: Jewelry, minerals, textiles, handicrafts, information technology services, films
Primary Imports: Machinery, fertilizer, chemicals, gems, petroleum products
Primary Trade Partners (Exports): Germany (21%), Italy (19%), FAS (13%), Japan (9%)
Primary Trade Partners (Imports): Germany (33%), Italy (20%), FAS (9%), Japan (9%)

Military Overview: India currently possesses one of the largest militaries in the world, and is a declared nuclear power. The Indian Armed Forces procures many of it’s armaments from German manufacturers.
Military Budget: 4%
Military Manpower: 2.2 million
Military Procurement: Universal male conscription at age of 18; 2 years of service for those attending college, 4 for those not.

Dependencies:

Royal Territories:
Bangladesh:
Population: 141,341,201
GDP: $187.5 billion
GDP per capita: $1,480
Main Products: Garments, jute and jute goods, leather, frozen fish and seafood
Armed Forces: 34,000 Bangladeshi Home Army
6,000 Indian AF

Nepal:
Population: 25,285,321
GDP: $38.31 billion
GDP per capita: $1,600
Main Products: Carpets, clothing, leather goods, jute goods, grain
Armed Forces: 24,000 Nepali Home Army
12,000 Indian AF

Bhutan:
Population: 47,560
GDP: $2.2 billion
GDP per capita: $1,100
Main Products: cardamom, gypsum, timber, handicrafts, cement, fruit, electricity (to India), precious stones, spices
Armed Forces: 1,000 Royal Bhutan Home Army
10,000 Indian AF

Nordrreich

28-11-2004, 04:26

That'll do quite nicely.

Nordrreich

28-11-2004, 04:40

Some Important Non-War Stuff:
Note: Germany gets to kick off the space race, due to the fact that neither the US or the Soviet Union get a wholesale importation of German rocket scientists.

1945: Germany uses the world's first nuclear weapons on the cities of Lviv and Riga in the Soviet Union. The United States develops its own atom bombs later that year.

1949: The Soviet Union explodes its first nuclear weapon.

1956: Germany launches the world's first satellite, Engel .

1959: Germany performs the first manned spaceflight. The first astronaut is Johann von Rommel, the son of the famous German general of the Second Eastern War.

1969: The USA lands the first man on the moon.

1971: Germany makes its moon landing.

1976: The Soviet Union makes its first moon landing.

1984: Japanese scientists develop a cost-efficient hydrogen fuel cell and these are rapidly placed in various military and civilian causes.

Early 1990's: Petroleum-driven motor vehicles are phased out completely in favour of fuel cell-driven cars in the FAS and Japan. In the late 1990's, Britain, Germany, Italy and other non-Communist nations do the same.

Early 2000's: The FAS completes the construction of its ballistic missile shield, with land-based, airborne and space-mounted anti-missile weaponry. The effect is to make the danger of Soviet ICBM attack rather minimal.

2007: Dr. Karl Waldersee of the Free University of Berlin proves the existence of psionic phenomena.

Mid-Late 2000's: Anti-missile technology becomes very highly developed and most of the world's strategic nuclear missiles are rendered obsolete. Nuclear technology is increasingly oriented towards tactical purposes and 'clean nukes'.

2009: Japanese and FAS scientists discover a viable and effective AIDS vaccination. An immense global campaign to destroy HIV begins. By 2014, two-thirds of the global population is vaccinated against HIV.

2013: The FAS is rumoured to be near completion of the world's first functional particle cannon, a space-mounted weapon capable of annhiliating specific targets with incredible accuracy.

Presgreif

28-11-2004, 09:08

Is that all then, or is there more to come?

Nordrreich

28-11-2004, 19:09

I'm going to be adding more today, probably tonight.

New Shiron

28-11-2004, 20:44

looks good so far

Nordrreich

28-11-2004, 21:57

Okay. I'm going to make up an application for France. If someone wants to claim it afterwards, that's okay, but we've almost got the list of major players completed.

Nordrreich

28-11-2004, 23:52

New Thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377277

Unlike the last one, this is open to all members to post their responses to it.

Presgreif

28-11-2004, 23:58

Hold on hold on, you haven't yet completed the backstory of this world yet we're already going to start RPing? This is all kind of messy. Call me anal retentive, but I'd really like to have everything in order before we start this thing. Is it really so much to ask?

Generic empire

29-11-2004, 00:00

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 00:02

OOC: THis isnt funny. I had this huge great post for me claiming France. I was bout to post it, and I see someone else came to claim France while I was writing. I was thinking of not doing it, actually I decided not to. But I kind of want to just to get revenge on the dude who took France. So...Can I see what aelse there is to claim, I would just pick some countries. But the way you pre-assigned it seems really backward and confusing to me...no offense.

Summary: What is left?

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 00:02

This is a warmup. We're not going to start doing the fighting for awhile. This is basically just what establishes the shape of the world just before the RP starts.

As for the Soviet Union .... (will complete this in a moment, this completion being all the history I'm going to give you ... you'll have to come up with the rest yourself

;) )

Generic empire

29-11-2004, 00:09

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 00:10

OOC: THis isnt funny. I had this huge great post for me claiming France. I was bout to post it, and I see someone else came to claim France while I was writing. I was thinking of not doing it, actually I decided not to. But I kind of want to just to get revenge on the dude who took France. So...Can I see what else there is to claim, I would just pick some countries, but the way you pre-assigned it seems really backward and confusing to me...no offense.

Summary: What is left?

...

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 00:11

My apologies.

Okay, I'll hold off. Yeah, sorry. Guess i'm getting itchy on the trigger finger. Blame it on Sunday. But it's there for when we're ready. I surrender. Priesgrief, I want to be able to give you some freedom to determine the present direction of the Soviet Union. So I think I'm going to omit anything that happens after the neo-Stalinist coup in 1993 to give you that leeway. Most of what happens in the interwar years can be considered equivalent to IRL developmetns.

Borman Empire ... you want France? You can take it. I was just worried that no one could claim it. I'm really sorry about the timing of it.

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 00:15

Borman Empire ... you want France? You can take it. I was just worried that no one could claim it. I'm really sorry about the timing of it.

I love you in the msot straight way possible.

Ill have to redo the summary.

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 00:19

lol. That was really crappy timing, though.

As for that thread ... basically, if you feel you're secure enough in your national character to make a response thread, that's fine. If not, that's also fine. The shooting won't start for a little while anyway. I just thought that maybe I should put up something to get people going before things fall apart.

Borman ... just one note to keep in mind, although you may have already read it. Alsace-Lorraine (the whole thing, not just what the Germans had 1871-1914) is in the hands of the German Empire.

Arenumberg

29-11-2004, 00:25

Nordrreich, Could we talk on IRC sometime? (Just TG me some details, timezone, channel, so on so forth)

Reserve Korea for me untill we have, i'd be most grateful.

Also, on the case of the british fleet, (dont know if this was adressed) if the empire never fell, the Need to rule the waves remained :).

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 01:07

I'm Deutsche Devil on AIM. A Korean player would be welcome. Now that we've filled the ranks of the truly major powers, I'd like some middling players too. Consider Korea reserved. And same with France for the Borman Empire.

As for the British, you have a good point. However, the FAS still has vastly superior economic and military resources. In Raggy, it can be safely said that the Allies rule the seas. So it could be said that the British share the seas with their friends.

I'm in Central Timezone, being in Manitoba, Canada.

Presgreif

29-11-2004, 01:16

Presgreif

29-11-2004, 01:19

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 01:27

I added some stuff to the wars thread. Generally speaking, after the Second Eastern War, Soviet history followed a course quite similar to IRL until the hardcore Stalinist coup in 1993. This is just a list of the leaders. The Soviet Union was a bit of a latecomer to the space program, due to it not getting the boost from the acquisition of German rocket secrets and scientists. However, by the 1970's, it had a vigorous space program. I believe that's everything you need to know.

Soviet Leaders:
Lenin 1920-1924
Trotsky 1924-1926
Stalin 1926-1953
Krushchev 1953-1963
Brezhnev 1963-1981
Andropov 1981-1984
Gorbachev 1984-1993
Kulik 1993-2001 (leader of the generals coup)
Vladimir Putin 2001-2007 (former KGB head, 'voluntarily' stepped down in 2007 in favour of Vladimir Grozny)
Vladimir Grozny 2007-? (you can decide whether he got ousted or not)

British Hannover

29-11-2004, 01:54

By mostly historical direction, I mean, terror and purges in the 30's, war and recovery from war in the 40's, rapid progress in the 50's and early 60's, relative prosperity in the mid 60's-early 70's, economic stagnation in the mid-70's-early 90's. And then the coup. Which is basically when you get to determine the direction that the Soviet Union takes. And if you want to change the names of the post-1993 leaders, that's okay with me too.

Rebel Shire

29-11-2004, 01:55

I'd like to apply for the Republic of Korea. I will work on nation statistics if and after I get accepeted.

EDIT: Sorry I see now that Korea is taken. I wish to change my request to India.

-Leo

British Hannover

29-11-2004, 02:04

India is also taken. Halibiris has it. The list of claimed nations is at the beginning of the thread. As for countries that are left over, the wish list (for me personally) would be Turkey, Argentina, Indonesia, Hungary, South Africa, etc.

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 02:17

The fact that you're a member of 11 different alliances is really backward and confusing to me.

OOC: Ow, sorry. I joined two more I neglected to put up there....done. Its 13 now.

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 02:20

French Empire

France, Madagascar; French Guinea; Tunisia, Algeria, Niger, Chad, Cameroon (Sharon border) and west minus Liberia.

France had remained as a relatively dormant power until 1944. In that year a bloody war broke out between France and Germany. All along France was convinced of a quick and decisive victory, and it came…for the Germans. France lost its respect, reputation, and part of what it controlled.

It sank into the shadows and silently began conquering Africa. In 1950 the Korean war broke out. France being strongly communist began to give aid to the Chinese VERY secretly, few Chinese even know about it today. But then France saw where profit could be made and sold help to both sides. When forces containing French soldiers met the French would wait out the battle. At the end they would slay all non-French alive and loot them.

After the Korean war France expanded to the Sharon border and then grew its armies and economy.

In 1960 a civil war occurred in the UEBR. Some French were blaming their defeat at the hands of the Germans on the Russians because they didn’t give enough help. Now France was mainly capitalist but stuck to Communist ideals. They supplied arms to the capitalists and when the short war ended they were named as having helped the capitalists.

Over the next 33 years rising tensions occurred between the two nations. Each one would try to hamper the other without going close to a declaration of war. Finally in 1993 war broke out.

Hundreds of men poured into Yugoslavia and overran defenses. UEBR was not ready or prepared for this, but they got ready quite soon. When French forces, still expecting the UEBR to be unprepared, tried to take inland Yugoslavia they were quickly repulsed. Soon after with reinforcements flooding in more men were sent to take southern Bosnia, they succeeded. Another force left and began to capture northern Albania. As they did UEBR forces retook Bosnia and Yugoslavia.
French forces turned and began to drive the UEBR forces out of coastal Yugoslavia. As they did UEBR forces took back Albania.
Constant gains and losses came on both sides until in 1995 French soldiers dug many trenches and installed many defenses, a wave of UEBR soldiers were slaughtered. French launched a hasty counter attack to take Yugoslavia, but found UEBR had done mirror defenses. These men were dead. For the next year endless trench warfare occurred. Several inched of land might be gained, but those taking it would soon be forced back into their trenches.
Both governments had begun to acknowledge that the other were almost if not equals. On the same day in the same hour the two governments asked for peace. No side would pay reparations, no side would gain land, the only thing was peace and a loose alliance.

As time went on the two nations came back to the power they once wielded, and then surpassed it. As the alliance grew stronger so did their nations. Coming into 2017 the French empire had an ally they would do anything for and a strong military supported by a thriving economy.

British Hannover

29-11-2004, 02:39

*looks at application* Looks good, just a couple of things.

Firstly, has Generic Empire approved this history? If so, it's fine but I'd like to know that. Secondly, France has had those colonies since the 19th century. The old colonial empires never really fell in this. The last point is that I also need to have an application done via the application form, which is available in the first page of this thread.

For everyone ... something very, VERY important. There is no United Nations or League of Nations. Niente. Nein. So politics is mostly through individual alliances, etc, etc.

Generic empire

29-11-2004, 03:07

British Hannover

29-11-2004, 03:12

Generic Empire- do you have AIM? Deutsche Devil if you do.

Sorry about this ...

I have a map ... but the stupid uploader won't let me upload it. Because there's a number of countries in Western/North Africa that aren't in French control (although geographically most of it is), that were claimed earlier as part of other empires.

Ghana, Benin and Togo are German West Africa (they should be on the German application near the start of the thread). Nigeria is a British colony, as is Gambia and Sierra Leone (although those two count for relatively little).

The remaining (French-controlled) territories in Africa are ... using IRL French old imperial divisions.

Algeria:
Tunisa:
Morocco:

French West Africa:
Mauretania
French Guinea
Senegal
Mali
Burkina Faso
Ivory Coast
Niger

French Equatorial Africa:
Chad
Cameroon
Central Africa Republic
Rio Muni
Gabon
Congo (Brazzaville, ie, the little one, not the big one)

Madagascar:

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 03:44

OOC: I control those 16?

Are you using Imageshack? Did you save it as an image? Save it as JPEG.

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 03:48

OOC> Yep, those are the countries you control. And here is the official Ragnarok 2014 map.

Official Ragnarok 2014 Map! (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/897749/RaggyWorld!.JPG)

Ragnarok 2014 Europe! (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/897749/RaggyEuropa.JPG)

Raggy Map of Asia!

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/897749/Raggy-Asia.JPG)Raggy Map of Africa! (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/897749/RaggyAfrica.JPG)

Rebel Shire

29-11-2004, 04:31

OK, If India is taken then may I claim Turkey?

-Leo

Nordrreich

29-11-2004, 06:16

You may claim Turkey indeed.

Borman Empire

29-11-2004, 23:42

bump

Presgreif

30-11-2004, 03:04

I'm affraid that due to recent events, I most probably won't have the time I would like to have to commit to this project. Therefore, I must resign from the Soviet Union. Really sorry, everybody. :(

Nordrreich

30-11-2004, 03:24

It's okay ... life happens. :)

Novaya Siberia

30-11-2004, 04:06

Application Form:
Nation Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Nation Overview: Created in 1920 after the miserable failure of the Russian Empire in the First Eastern War, the Soviet Union became the most feared nation in the world, despite a relative lack of industrial and technological muscle until the end of the Thirties. The Second Eastern War was a disaster for Russia as it lost in excess of six million men, compounded by the horrific damage caused by the destruction of the major port of Riga and the sizeable agricultural centre of Lvov by German nuclear weapons.

After the Second Eastern War, the Soviet Union thrust itself into the role of being the de facto leader of the emerging Communist International, usually shortened to Comintern. Its industrial power developed immensely, along with its military strength. In the early Sixties, it seemed as if the Soviet Union had achieved a workable model of communism. There was relative prosperity and only the FAS possessed greater industrial capacity and the two leading world powers were approximately tied in military strength.

However, severe economic stagnation set in in the Seventies and Eighties, stripping the Soviet economy of much of its dynamism. The growth of corruption and of underground mafias accelerated the problem. The people of the Soviet Union were beginning to lose faith in communism. It was in this vacuum that Mikhail Gorbachev stepped in, seeking to reform the Soviet Union as a democratic state. Unfortunately, his well-intentioned experiment imploded. He was ultimately deposed by a coup of neo-Stalinist generals in 1993 and forced into exile in Germany.

Afterwards, a succession of mediocre leaders followed until 2007, when a charismatic and relatively young member of the Politburo, Vladimir Grozny won power in a coup so bloodless that the former leader of the Soviet Union, Vladimir Putin voluntarily stepped down to resume his post as head of the KGB. Stunned by political success, the generals soon placed their trust in the dynamic young politician.

Grozny instituted major economic reforms while maintaining strict political control over Soviet Russia. The severe technology gap which had developed in the Nineties and 2000's began to slowly be reversed as Grozny maneuvered the Soviet Union into a new economic dynamism. However, Grozny was not a man content with political and economic successes. He felt that it was his destiny to lead the Communist world to a smashing victory over capitalism ... and the sooner the better.

Due to better economic conditions and political stability, the population decline that is a major hallmark of IRL is not evident in the Soviet Union. Population growth continues to click along at a moderate one percent or so a year. Conditions never got as bad in this Russia as they did in our own world.

Capital: Moscow (14,500,000 metropolitan population)
Population: 353,000,0000
Ethnicity: Russian 57%*, Central Asian 27%, Caucasian 12%, Other 4%
Religion: Athiest 51%, Orthodox 25%, Muslim 22%, other 2%
Largest Cities: Moscow (14.5 million), Leningrad (6 million), Kiev (3 million), Minsk (2 million), Novosibirsk (2 million)

*= The census of 2010 includes Ukrainians and Belorussians as Russians.

Political Overview:
The USSR, as the original Communist state is officially a 'worker's democracy' but is, under Grozny, a one-man dictatorship. The Party is paramount in influence but power really radiates from him alone. A major 'cult of personality' has sprung up around the visage of the Russian leader. The technically federal USSR is in fact an increasingly united state, drawn closer together by increasing economic prosperity and strong rule.

Form of Government: Communist Dictatorship
Head of State: Premier Vladimir Grozny
Head of Government: Premier Vladimir Grozny

Economic Overview:
The economy of the Soviet Union has lagged for the bulk of three decades but has started to pick up since about 2007, growing at a consistent healthy rate nearly every year. Grozny's economic reforms have assisted the economy significantly, as has the total destruction of the Russian Mob.

Grozny allowed some market-based reforms to take place in the Soviet Union, especially in relatively small-scale enterprises. In addition, state-owned companies are expected to remain at least somewhat competitive with world standards. It is Grozny's opinion that the Soviet constitution which guarantees work for all does not necessarily mean civilian labour and the army has become a massive employer under his watch.

The somewhat technologically backward Soviet economy has been revamped considerably and great strides have been maken in making the USSR a modern economic powerhouse. Especially important to the new USSR economy is the large Communist export market for Soviet-made weaponry. In addition, the Soviet Union has sold approximately $2 billion USD worth of mostly small armaments to various anti-colonialist forces every year secretly since Grozny took power.

In addition, the perpetual problem of smuggled Western consumer products undermining Soviet-made goods is being actively countered by the encouragement of an enormous black market in cheap Soviet-made vodka and cigarettes (nearly half of all illicit alcoholic beverages and tobacco products are made in the USSR) along with a sizeable and growing influence in the global drug trade.

GDP: $5.66 trillion
GDP growth rate: 4.1%
GDP per capita: $16,034
Primary Exports: Machinery, steel, armaments, grain, oil, natural gas, illicit products
Primary Imports: Foodstuffs, consumer goods
Primary Trade Partners: China (25%), USAR (18%), France (15%)

Military Overview:
The Soviet Union maintains one of the largest standing armies in the world, at great expense. The Russian army and air force are of decent quality and immense quantity, while the navy has been somewhat neglected but is still a sizeable force, especially in nuclear submarine strength. The elite Spetsnaz recieve five times the proportionate budget of the regular Red Army.

The Russian army is currently in the midst of a process of major change of equipment, shedding archiac AK-47's and aging T-90 tanks in favor of new and more advanced weaponry. Grozny has stated his intention of reducing the total size of the Red Army in favor of increased investment per soldier in advanced equipment. However, this program has been somewhat slow. Between six and eight hundred new T-98 MBT's have been introduced, along with about one hundred of the new Grozny heavy assault tank.

The Russian air force remains one of the largest in the world, equipped with world-class fighters. Less in need of restructuring than the army, the Red Air Force is a proud symbol of Russian military might. The new Mig-42 Raptor jets are currently starting production. Most of the Air Force, however, still consists of Fulcrums and Foxbats.

The Russian navy has been somewhat neglected under the Grozny regime, perhaps because he feels that the main blow will come against Germany via land but also because of a lack of funding. Currently, the Russian armed forces are only capable of adaquately funding two of the three primary services. The five Russian carrier attack groups and three dozen nuclear submarines are all somewhat old and a bit outdated vis a vis the FAS, British, Japanese or even German navies. Still, this is less of a defect as it may appear as the main Russian attack is thought to be land-based.

Military Budget: $566 billion
Military Budget: 10.9%
Military Manpower: 5.1 million
Military Procurement: Mandatory male conscription for three years, two years if attending university. Mandatory female non-combat conscription for two years, one year if attending university.

Dependencies: (please list ...)
The Soviet Union has no dependencies in the proper sense of the term.

Of the Abyss

30-11-2004, 05:43

No offense but your population is really high. Russia currently has a huge problem with aids and its population is about 150 million and the Ukraines is about 50 so work on that a little, but to my inexpierianced eye it looked pretty good

Novaya Siberia

30-11-2004, 07:27

I had expected that AIDS would be vaccinable by 2014. In addition, the Soviet Union is in somewhat better shape than modern Russia and hence is not shrinking. Furthermore, the Soviet Union always had a higher population than the United States (although maybe not much more than the FAS). In addition you didn't say anything about Finland, Belarus, the Baltics or Moldova (26 million at least), Central Asia (about 55 million) or the Caucasus (17 million). I did work it down to 350 million, though.

Generic empire

30-11-2004, 17:39

Novaya Siberia, remember that the Union of Eastern Balkan Republics is in essence under the direct influence of the Russian government (review my history on page 6 for a more in depth analysis, as it concerns Russia rather directly). I aim to play the UEBR as a police state highly interested in technological development, which would in turn contribute to the Russian economy, and the technology available to her armed forces.

Novaya Siberia

30-11-2004, 21:20

OOC> Why OOC? This is an OOC thread, not that I won't ever do it myself, lol.

Ahh. I see and it makes sense. After all, the Soviet Union will need all the allies it can get amongst the smaller (relatively speaking) Communist nations in order to head off the rising power of China in the Communist International. Speaking of which, if people don't mind and/or feel that they have enough of a grasp on their national character (if not all the precise information) to do a little RP thread, I wouldn't mind the practice.

In any case, Grozny isn't dissimilar, really.

Like, perhaps, a meeting of the Communist International?

Generic empire

30-11-2004, 22:37

OOC> Why OOC? This is an OOC thread, not that I won't ever do it myself, lol.

Damn. Forgot that bit.

Anyway, a preliminary thread would be a good idea, if only to establish the balances of power and national identities and such.

Doomingsland

30-11-2004, 22:41

OOC:Can I get what's left of South America? I want to make a pseudo-fundamentalist Christian empire.

Nordrreich

30-11-2004, 22:46

Would you be content with Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Brazil? I might annex Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay to Argentina in that case. The idea is okay, though.

Novaya Siberia

30-11-2004, 23:17

Meeting of the 94th Communist International
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7592621#post7592621

Just thought I'd post this, see if we could straighten out a few things about the Communist world. Non-Communist countries can participate, but as representatives of your national Communist parties.

Doomingsland

30-11-2004, 23:26

Would you be content with Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Brazil? I might annex Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay to Argentina in that case. The idea is okay, though.
OOC:OK, I'll come up with a name and history soon.

New Shiron

30-11-2004, 23:30

although since Brazil speaks portugeese and everyone else spanish that might require some creativity to unify all of those nations

Doomingsland

30-11-2004, 23:34

You'll see, I've got the history all planned out. All will make sense.

Nordrreich

30-11-2004, 23:38

I look forward to seeing it.

Doomingsland

30-11-2004, 23:56

United Christian Republic

In 1924, after a large scale conspiracy by Christian fundamentalists overthrew the governments of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Brazil, they all decided, that, it would be in their best interests to unite into one great republic. Religious law rules the nation, or so the leader, President Jose Sanchez, tells the world.

There was a power struggle after it was decided the fledgling republics should unite, and the victor was a Colombian, Juan Carlos. He declared himself President for Life after a brief yet bloody coup, and went to work twisting the works of the Bible to suit his needs. He convinced everyone that it was in fact God's will that the nation be ruled as he said.

After taking control, Carlos immediatly changed the national language from Spanish and Portugese to Latin, making there be one dominant language. Riots broke out afterword, but the protesters were sluaghtered by armored units of the Holy Legion, the UCR's army. This, in effect, solidified his power. No one dared challenge his rule.

The UCR is a fascist nation with Christianity being used as a disguise.

In Colombia and the surrounding states, a bloody drug war was fought by the government to defeat the 'heretics' from spreading their 'sinful substance.' The government was absolutly ruthless, crucifying captured drugees, leveling villages with artillery, making examples of simpathizing areas by dumping napalm on them. The war was over in just two years. over one million people, mostly civilians, were sluaghtered in the bloody war.

The UCR hasn't made the intention of joining any of the alliances, on the basis they are all sinful, and remains a rouge state.

Nation Name:United Christian Republic
Capital:Bogota
Population:350 million
Ethnicity:Latino American
Religion:Catholocism

Form of Government:Fascist Theocracy
Head of State:President Jose Sanchez
Head of Government:President Jose Sanchez

Economic Overview:
GDP:10 trillion USD
GDP per capita:$30,000
Primary Exports:Weaponry
Primary Imports:N/A
Primary Trade Partners:N/A
Income tax percentage:0%

Military Budget:1.9 trillion USD
Military Budget:30%
Military Manpower:2 million
Military Procurement:Conscription, five year minimum

Military Overview-

Branches-

Holy Legion-

Primary ground forces of the UCR, consists mainly of well-trained conscripts. Men are conscripted at 14, and spend four years training, making them extremely tough soldiers. Military training replaces school in the UCR.

Holy Marines-

Primary amphibious force, consists of men with better skills that requiered for the Holy Legion. These are men recruited at childhood who are seen to have good Christian values, and excell athletically. Recruited at 8, spend ten years training.

Holy Airforce-

Air force, consists of men incapable of excelling well enough to join the Holy Legion. Pilots are recruited at an early age of 10-11 by checking reflexes and eyesight, and spend until 18 training. Support personel are recruited at 18, and spend three months training.

Holy Navy-

Consists of men seen who seem to excell in aquatic areas. Men are recruited at 14, and train for four years in the art of sailing.

Holy Praetorian Legion-

Best of the best, these men are genetically enhanced at birth, and spend the rest of their lives training to be the perfect soldiers, which they excell at. The Praetorians were the brainchild of President Juan Carlos, who wanted an elite conventional force for the UCR.

Equiptment-

Holy Legionary-

Armor-VEPR S2 HSS (see Soviet Bloc's thread)

Weapon-XM8 rifle for rifleman, XM8 AR for autorifleman, XM29 OICW for grenadier rifleman

Holy Marine-

See above

Praetorian Legionary-

See above

New Shiron

01-12-2004, 00:13

works for me.... maybe I can send Jerry Falwell to you as the US Ambassador (and thus keep him out of mischief here)

Nordrreich

01-12-2004, 02:06

OOC> Lol, now it's time for the APPLICATION CRITIQUE. Don't worry, I do it to everyone.

Doomingsland:
Firstly, Buenos Aires is the capital of Argentina. So it's not even in your country.

The population stuff is about right. The economic data is, of course, much higher than IRL, but that's okay. Latin America does have considerable economic potential. However, the military stuff seems really high to me. You're claiming very high technology levels AND a huge conscript army. It's partly an issue of (relative) realism and partly, frankly, of balance.

Borman Empire

01-12-2004, 02:12

bump

Nordrreich

01-12-2004, 02:27

Borman Empire: *points to above thread*
If you feel confortable doing so, it might be a good chance to get into national character, so to speak. Call it a warmup, if you will.

Doomingsland

01-12-2004, 03:24

OOC:The tech levels aren't really that big, and I include military training in normal schooling, so I could have a pretty big conscript army. Besides, only around two-four million guys are combat personel, the rest are all logitics. I fix capital, I got preoccupied with another RP involving South America.

Nordrreich

01-12-2004, 03:39

Okay, but you're probably not going to have the most technologically advanced army, even with such a high budget. I'm not proposing that it's backwards, really, but quality does tend to take a hit when the quantity is really high. I'm also keeping this in mind working on my own (the German) army, which is a quality-based rather than quantity-based military force.

I guess generally, it seems that you've got a country with everything in terms of political power projection. A booming, powerful economy, plus an army three times bigger than any army that's been proposed yet that's also well-trained and equipped. I don't see any weaknesses. I guess I could criticize the FAS on the same account, but their armed forces are three million and not 14 million.

I also am a little skeptical of the economy's ability to simultaneously equip such a huge force, equip them well and produce a good standard of living. An army that big, in my opinion, would seriously weaken the economy. Enormous armies do that. The Soviet Union had that problem IRL, North Korea is an extreme example of it.

Something's got to give.

And a note that's not critical, but does impact your country. The impetus for unification might have had a lot to do with Argentina's expansion in the mid-20th century. Unless someone claims it, I'll probably have to NPC it, as it's a Central Powers country.

Borman Empire

01-12-2004, 04:40

bump

New Shiron

01-12-2004, 05:58

I have to agree.... generally, a society can only afford to keep about 1% of its total population permanently under arms.... that works out to be about 3.5 million for you for all of the armed forces, including Navy and Air Force.

Only in total war situations have countries mobilized up to 5 - 10% of their total populations and the problem is that the economy starts to give very quickly in that situation. I would suggest looking at the CIA world factbook (which is online) and looking at typical military manpower available for nations your size .. your GDP seems high too, I would think about half of that figure would be right (which is still higher than the countries you are playing combined are in real life).

As far as your elite forces go, a general rule of thumb is that 1 man in a 100 soldiers has what it takes to be the "perfect soldier" you are looking for, which works out to be a still very high 35,000 (which is about the size of real life US Special Operations Forcdes excluding support and air support personnel)

scale your numbers down for realism please. I do like your history though

Doomingsland

01-12-2004, 20:44

OK, I lowered the military down to 2 million. The RL countries have really crappy economies because they're undeveloped, this is what would happen if South America got industrialised and united.

If you noticed, for my really tough guys, I take them at birth, and mess with their genes, so I can get them. But, there's only around 20-30 thousand of them, and those are the conventional troops, the SFs are much lower.

Doomingsland

01-12-2004, 20:45

Can you put me down on the list a a rouge state?

Nordrreich

01-12-2004, 21:21

I'll get on that. And yeah, the lowering of the military makes a critical difference. Two million is fine. Then you can reasonably afford to have a pretty good one, as you can be selective with your conscripts, etc. And maintain a good economy, because huge militaries are an immense drain on the economy. But I'll put you up as a 'non-aligned' state, which can mean rogue state and in your case, it would.

In other words, I agree with New Shiron somewhat about the economy, but I'm willing to take out poetic license for that in exchange for the reduction of your military forces to a more reasonable level. (which you have done) Although with a much smaller military force, you probably don't need to spend 30% of your GDP on them. Since it's 1/7 the size of before, I'd say maybe 10% and then you're still spending more money per soldier, allowing more money into the civilian economy to allow for development.

But your nation is accepted. Welcome to the crew.

PS- I know I've been quite critical, but I do like the concept.

New Shiron

01-12-2004, 23:27

Federation of American States Military Forces 2014 (part one)

NORAD
This is the primary defenses for North America. Mostly (70%) manned by reservists from the various National Guards and Reserves, NORAD maintains a constant watch. At all times, 10% of the people are on duty, with more on duty during weekends. In addition to the air and ground defenses listed, several primary radar stations and dozens of secondary stations exist, plus sizeable numbers of airborne early warning aircraft. The primary headquarters is Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado, which has been extensively modernized and hardened over the years.

Air Defenses
1st Air Force
Northeast Sector (5 ANG fighter wings with 1 squadron each)
158th Fighter Wing (F22) Vermont, 102 Fighter Wing (F15G) Massachusetts, 177th Fighter Wing (F15G) New Jersey, 113th Fighter Wing (F15G) Washington, 301st Fighter Wing Quebec,

Southeast Sector (4 ANG fighter wings with 1 squadron each)
169th Fighter Wing (F22) South Carolina, 192nd Fighter Wing (F15G) Virginia, 125th Fighter Wing (F15G) Florida, 482nd Fighter Wing (F15G) Florida

Southern Sector (3 ANG fighter wings with 1 squadron each)
149th Fighter Wing (F22) Texas, 147th Fighter Wing (F15G) Texas, 159th Fighter Wing (F15G) Louisiana

Western Sector (4 ANG fighter wings with 1 squadron each)
144th Fighter Wing (F22) California, 150th Fighter Wing (F15G) New Mexico, 944th Fighter Wing (F15G) Arizona, 142nd Fighter Wing (F15G) Oregon

Northern Sector (6 ANG fighter wings with 1 squadron each)_
119th Fighter Wing (F22) North Dakota, 120th Fighter Wing (F15G) Montana, 148th Fighter Wing (F15G) Minnesota, 181st Fighter Wing (F15G) Indiana, 401st Fighter Wing (F22) Alberta, 2201st Fighter Wing Ontario

Central Sector (2 ANG AEW wings with 1 squadron each, 1 ANG Fighter Wing with 1 squadron ) 131st Fighter Wing (F22) Missouri, 513th AEW Wing (E3D) Nebraska, 507th AEW Wing (E3D) Tennessee

All fighter aircraft equipped with air launched anti ballistic missile interceptor missiles (Guardian II missiles) and F22s equipped with ASATs and air to orbit missiles (Ajax II). All fighters also equipped with standard AIM9Z for dealing with stealth cruise missiles, while the E3D has improved radar for detecting stealth bombers and cruise missiles.

Ground based Air Defenses
4th Army
111th Air Defense Command
Minot Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Ellsworth Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Grand Forks Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Great Falls Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Whitman Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Warren Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Fairchild Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)
Dyess Missile Base (150 Safeguard II ABM)

263rd Air Defense Command (Northeast and Southeast Sectors)
15 battalions Patriot II with stations in Fort Hamilton NY(New York City), Fort McNair VA (DC), Fort Monroe VA (Newport News/Norfolk), Boston MA, Philadelphia PA, Pascagoula MS, Tampa FL, Kennedy Space Center, Atlanta GA, Pittsburgh PA, Kings Bay GA, and Savannah GA., Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto,

32nd Air Defense Command (Southern, Western and Northern Sectors)
15 battalions Patriot II with stations in Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Peterson AFB(NORAD), Ellington ANGB (Houston/Galveston), Baton Rouge, Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, St Louis, Arlington (Dallas Fort Worth). Vancouver, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay,

Harbor and Coastal Defenses
Atlantic Sea Frontier

Gulf Coast Frontier

Pacific Sea Frontier

Each with CG aircraft, craft and cutters, plus 50 P3 Orion, 20 MCM craft

Alaska Command
8th Army
X Corps with 6th Mountain Division, 11th Air Assault Division, 21st Mountain Division, 207th Arctic Recon Brigade, IX Corps (Vancouver) with 10th Mountain Division (Fort Drum NY), 22nd Mountain Division (Ontario),

11th Air Force
3rd Fighter Wing (3 x F22, 1 x AEW, 1 x C130),
354th NG Fighter Wing ( 3 x F35, 1 x OA10),
176th Airlift Wing NG (3 x C130, 1 SAR),
168th Air Refueling Wing (3 x KC135),
366th Composite Wing (1 x F22, 2 x F35, 1 x B1, 1 x KC135)

plus elements Pacific Sea Frontier

ooc
more to come, but all units based on real world formations with adjustments for a more defensive mission

Borman Empire

01-12-2004, 23:45

bump

Halibris

01-12-2004, 23:51

My modem was busted for the last few days, so, anyway, now to get working on a post for the 'Kaiser Down' thread.

Information travels fast, of course, but is it a bit early for official government statements?

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 00:06

I'm going to make a brief post on that right away ... by the time I make that post, it will be the next day. Which is enough time to make an official government statement, I would think. By the way, regarding India, I think you could safely increase your GDP to about $4-$4.5 billion and adjust the rest accordingly. India's in a better shape in this RP, I would imagine, and it is ten years in the future from now.

Doomingsland

02-12-2004, 00:09

So, when do we go kill each other?

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 00:18

Soon. The events leading up to the war are unfolding as we speak. And by the way, Italy tells me that the Pope condemns your country. :)

Kaiser Down- http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7601350&posted=1#post7601350

94th Meeting of the Communist International-
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7592621#post7592621

Borman Empire

02-12-2004, 00:19

I believe the link to the official thread was posted a couple pages back.

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 03:23

This is what I'm using thus far ... expect more to be added. Feel free to suggest and/or criticize this. I don't pretend to be the world's biggest military expert here. I'll add more later.

Major Brances:
Army (Wehrmacht)
Manpower: 1.2 million
Structure: Divided into six Armies.

Standard Infantry Armament: HK G-11
Standard Main Battle Tank: Kampfpanzer Leopard III

1st Army:
Stationed: Konigsberg, East Prussia.

2nd Army:
Stationed: Warsaw, Polish Autonomous Republic

3rd Army:
Stationed: Breslau, Silesia

4th Army:
Stationed: Berlin, Brandenburg

5th Army:
Stationed: Strassburg, Alsace-Lorraine

6th Army:
Stationed: Graz, Osterreich

Navy (Reichsmarine)
Manpower: 150,000

Aircraft Carriers: 4

First Carrier Attack Group:
Location: Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein

Second Carrier Attack Group:
Location: Bangkok, Thailand

Third Carrier Attack Group:
Location: Memel, East Prussia

Fourth Carrier Attack Group:
Location: Walvis Bay, Namibia

First Submarine Fleet:
Location: Emden, Hannover

Second Submarine Fleet:
Location: Danzig, West Prussia

Third Submarine Fleet:
Location: Accra, German West Africa

Fourth Submarine Fleet:
Location: Port Moresby, German New Guinea

Air Force (Luftwaffe)
Manpower: 250,000

Free Corps (Freikorps)*
Psionic Corps (Sinneskorps)*

*= citizen guard units, not included in the general army. Usually quickly incorporated into the Wehrmacht in wartime. Rural Freikorps units, however, sometimes are allowed to operate independently as partisans.

*= The only such organized psionic military unit in the world. Under the exclusive military direction of Field Marshal Paul von Manstein, based on a proposal by renowned scientist and discoverer of psionics, Karl Waldersee. I'll post more details about the role of psionics in this world later today or tomorrow. Other than this, though, the German army doesn't go for the more exotic side of technology. The rest is very practical guns and tanks stuff.

New Shiron

02-12-2004, 20:49

Federation Forces 2014

The standard rifle is still the M16, but many special operations troops use the new Advanced Combat Rifle M22, which not only uses hypervelocity flechettes, but also has an intergral grenade launcher. All troops are equipped with combat environment suits as well, with built in GPS, personal communicators, and with full NBC protection as well as the protection of advanced kevlar. These suits can also be pressurized to assist with dealing with extremes in temperature as well making long duration combat possible in NBC conditions.

The standard vehicle is still the Hummer, but the Stryker Combat vehicle, improved Bradley IFV, and M1A5 main battle tank are the principal ground combat systems, with the new Buford Light Tank and Hummer ACV also being fielded.

The Americans now use the MV22 Osprey as the principal assault and transport tactical aircraft, with the AH66 and AH64 serving as attack helicopters and a AV22 in service as a heavier (and still limited service) heavy gunship. In the air, the F22 and upengined and improved F15G are the principal fighter aircraft, and the F35 and F16 the principal fighter bombers, along with a number of F15Es, F117s and F18Es. The Air Force still has a number of old B52s, as well as B1s. About half of the B1s are now EW aircraft. The B2s are in service at a somewhat larger number than in OTL.

At sea, the Navy has 10 Nimitz class carriers, plus a number of Assault carriers plus a Light Carrier class (basically a Wasp class with a nuclear reactor, no well deck, put a larger air group). The Navy has a much larger than in OTL submarine fleet (to patrol both oceans plus the Arctic Ocean) and has deployed the arsenal ship (called a Battlecruiser or BCN), as well as Aegis destroyers and cruisers, plus a number of frigates remain.

Basically, just taking the 1985 Cold War era forces and modernizing them although the more expensive modern systems have cut numbers down somewhat.

The entire National Guard and Reserve system is geared primarily to handle the NORAD mission, with cadre units available to form new divisions if mobilization is needed, plus a very large Air National Guard (larger than current but about the size of the Cold War era force) and Navy and Marine Corps Reserve (as in the Cold War era).

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 21:16

OOC> I'm going with the stereotypical German excellence in armoured design and infantry combat. Also, there's a pressing need for mano-a-mano combat superiority over their enemies. Feel free to suggest and/or criticize. And about the powered armour, apparently they're actually working on it now.

Generally, the German forces put a very high priority on modernization of their ground forces, as a war with the Soviet Union is most likely to be very ground based. Many of the smaller vehicles that the Wehrmacht uses are broadly equivalent to the FAS ones, although the Leopard II has mostly been replaced with the Leopard III, which among other things, is one of the world's first petroleum-free tanks. Its armament is probably not revolutionary, an improvement of the latest Leopard II models, but its automotive performance is much higher.

There are a number of experimental armoured designs that the Germans are toying with, although many of them are of limited battlefield utility. The main exception is the revived King Tiger, whose development is linked with revolutionary changes in nuclear reactor designs throughout Western nations. Along with arguably the most powerful tank gun ever designed, an ancestor to a true rail gun (an EM-assisted shell) it also has functionally unlimited combat range due to its internal nuclear reactor. Drawbacks of the design are that it is still experimental, and hence somewhat buggy and immense expense. Also, King Tigers are rather complex and only seasoned and skilled tank crews are allowed to use them.

As of 2012, the Germans are beginning to put powered armour combat systems into place. The Valkyrie system provides protection to the elite Panzergrenadiers and also allows them to move faster and be physically stronger than normal soldiers. As well, the Valkyrie system allows the Panzergrenadier divisions to be equipped with heavier weapons and more ammunition than regular infantry soldiers. It is hoped that eventually the German Wehrmacht can afford to reduce its standing manpower as powered armour becomes more readily available. As it is, only two divisions are equipped with Valkyrie powered armour.

New Shiron

02-12-2004, 22:07

The FAS is experimenting with powered armor, but it would be principally be used only by special operations units at present. I am assuming the latest armored and military transport vehicles will be hydrogen or hydrogen fuel cell powered, and the Navy has an entire class of submarines that are hydrogen fuel cell powered (light and small submarines larger than a mini sub but smaller than a conventional attack submarine).

More FAS military information later

Borman Empire

02-12-2004, 22:08

bump

Doomingsland

02-12-2004, 22:09

Republican Armed Forces

Main battle tank-

M10A2 Imperator MBT

This latest tank design comes as a replacement to the much proven M1A5. The armor is composed of a diamond helix bonded through double carbon bonds and other ADBOND designs around and through a buckyball matrix, layered in 240 nano-meter strips. This is covered by the Indium/Osmium-Germanium mix 2nd Gen Supercooled Coil, which was stolen off an Iscariot VIII a while back. They are filled with supercooled liquid Xenon and when a round impacts, the liquid gasses out to counter the heat while the metal coil itself is used as a heat conductor to dissipate the attack it will render that portion of the coil useless but should still enable it to work on other parts of the tank. Especially good against HEAT. Finally there is a thick layer of NxRA Ablative Armor Blocks, up to 14cm in some places. This provides up to an additional 1000mm RHA, for a total of up to 5500mm RHA. (max. real thickness 200mm). However, the central differences between the Spanish buckyball matrix and the composites of the armor is the type of bondage between the diamond helix, allowing for a stronger chemical bonding, meaning the armor RHA will be a tad stronger. The ADBOND (ADvanced BOND) is a third generation single crystal superalloy bond. This primary armor is further reinforced by a ceramic composite bulk between it and a DUEIS plate, which gives it a final 7,000mm of armor. This final layer is coupled by a layer of NxRA armor which gives it the final RHA value of 8,500mm, all for a real value of some 800mm. It now features a 145mm railgun, as the 120mm found on the King turned out to not be powerful enough. It also now features an autoloader due to its low profile design. However, this is a newly designed autoloader, which takes advantage of the light weight ammunition fired from the main gun. The autoloader follows the gun up and down, that way the gun doesn’t have to re-elevate. The new main gun is capable of firing SCRAMjet, APFSDS, HEAT, ATGM, and HE-FRAG. It also has a low profile design, making it a smaller target, further increasing its battlefield survivability. It also features standard counter measures, such as twelve 81mm smoke grenade launchers, to break locks from laser guided weapons. It also has 8 flare launchers to defend against IR guided weapons. It also posses jamming equipment for interfering with guided missiles, making it extremely well protected against ATGMs. The one weapon that we weren’t able to find a defense against for the longest time was the wire-guided missile. Well, we’ve found a defense. A small camera on the roof the tank constantly scans the horizon for missile launches, by searching for sudden increases in IR and smoke, and movement. Once that has been achieved, an automated .50 caliber GAU-19 mounted on the roof opens fire on the source of the weapon, killing the crew, and preventing the missile from being guided onto target. This counter measure has an effective range of 600 meters. As for targeting, it features mostly the same systems as the King, including its advanced IHAS system, or ‘identify hostile armor silhouette’. This system works by spotting a silhouette in the distance, matching it up with other silhouette’s in the computer’s memory, then identifying weak points in the armor, making one-shot-kills as easy as the push of a button.

In the A1 upgrade, a new countermeasure system was added, an ADMS anti-missile gun on the top. The ADMS (ADvanced MetalStorm) fires from 60rps to the theoretical 1 million RPS, although the tank neither holds the rounds for such a rate, or the cooler for such a rate. For faster cooling the gun uses as a ln2 liquid cooler. The ADMS uses an onboard LIDAR, Light Detection and Ranging, for higher accuracy, able to pop RPGs, or anti-tank missiles, from over one hundred meters away. The LIDAR uses both normal LIDAR, to detect range, as well as Doppler LIDAR which detects velocity and vector - making MetalStorm faster to react, and faster to take care of business.

Crew 3- driver, commander, gunner
Weight 74.9 tons
Dimensions
Length with gun forward 400 inches
Turret height 61.5 inches
Width 140 inches
Ground clearance 18 inches
Propulsion-Diesel-electric hybrid, 1800 horsepower
Transmission Hydrokinetic transmission, 4 forward gears, 2 reverse gears
Performance Maximum governed speed 43 m.p.h.
Speed cross country 40 m.p.h.
Speed, 10% slope 17 m.p.h.
Speed 60% slope 4.1 m.p.h.
Acceleration 0 to 20 m.p.h. in 8.2 seconds
Range 269 miles cruising
Obstacle crossing
Vertical 42 inches
Trench 9 feet
Main armament 145 mm railgun
Coaxial Weapon 7.62 mm minigun, M134
Commander's weapon 0.50 caliber machine gun, GAU19/A, on powered rotary platform, remotely operated
NBC protection: 200 SCFM, clean cooled air
Cost per unit-7 million

Note about powering the main gun-

We use an array of acid batteries to provide the initial jolt and to supply power to fire the main gun while the vehicle is not moving. These batteries are recharged while the vehicle's engine is running. Supplementing these are a series of lithium batteries and capacitors connected to the motor and to a series of generators (each one connected to a non-driving road wheel [therefore, as the vehicle moves the generators take that motion and turn it into electricity which is then stored in capacitors and batteries]). The motor also provides power to the batteries and capacitors.

Now, since these batteries and capacitors only provide direct current electricity, alternators may be added to provide alternating current, although both types work but alternators would allow you to use that same power to run computers and fire control systems in the tank.

Now, some would argue that this doesn't provide enough power. It does (it doesn't take that much power to turn a metal into plasma [relatively]), but, to be safe and to prevent yourself from severe criticism, we’ve also added a generator mechanism to the engine to provide extra power.

M11 Legionnaire Fighting Vehicle

Designed as a replacement to the aging Bradley Fighting Vehicle, this new vehicle promises to be superior in the field of armor and fire power. Firstly, due to the Bradley’s weakness against handheld anti-armor weapons, such as the RPG-7 or AT-4. It has a far thinner amount, however, and wouldn’t be able to withstand multiple direct hits from MBT main guns. But, it is nearly impervious to weapons up to 40mm, and RPGs tend to bounce off. On side hits, 40mm fire is capable of disabling it, but RPGs still tend to bounce off, but on rear, RPGs are capable of penetrating the ramp door. For its main armament, it has one GAU-9 25mm gattling cannon, capable of turning light armored vehicles and fixed wing aircraft into Swiss cheese. It also has two twin LOSAT missile pods, each one capable of engaging a tank from 5 km out. The LOSAT missile is capable of deafeating most modern armor with is hypervelocity penetrator. It has a velocity 4x greater than that of an APFSDS round from an M1A2, and reaches its maximum range in under four seconds(didn’t make this one up, it’s an RL weapon). It contains the standard countermeasures, and targeting system. It is capable of bringing 8 fully equipped men onto a battlefield. An air defense variant is also in the works, armed with the same main gun, and advanced radar systems, with the LOSAT pods replaced by two quad stinger missile pods.

The vehicle is still somewhat expensive to produce, and the military has ordered 12,000 of the vehicles to serve along side the Imperator.

Main infantry fighting vehicle-

M11 Legionnaire IFV
Crew 3, 8 infantry dismounts
Length 21'2"
Width 10'6"
Height 9'9"
Weight 57 tons
Road Speed 45 mph
Range 300 miles
Engine VTA-903T water-cooled 4 cycle diesel.
Armament 25mm gattling cannon, GAU9
7.62 mm coaxially mounted machine gun, M240
LOSAT missile launcher, two tubes mounted on either side of the turret

Second line main battle tank-

M1A6 King Abrams

Crew 4 - driver, commander, gunner, loader
Weight 75.2 tons
Dimensions
Length with gun forward 411 inches
Turret height 93.5 inches
Width 149 inches
Ground clearance 18 inches
Ground pressure 15.4 p.s.i.
Diesel-electric hybrid, 1800 horsepower
Transmission Hydrokinetic transmission, 4 forward gears, 2 reverse gears
Power-to-weight ratio 21.6 hp/ton
Performance
Maximum governed speed 45 m.p.h.
Speed cross country 40 m.p.h.
Speed, 10% slope 17 m.p.h.
Speed 60% slope 4.1 m.p.h.
Acceleration 0 to 20 m.p.h. in 7.2 seconds
Range 265 miles cruising
Obstacle crossing
Vertical 42 inches
Trench 9 feet
Main armament 120 mm ETC gun
Coaxial Weapon 7.62 mm minigun, M134
Loader's Weapon 7.62 mm machine gun, M240, on Skate mount, remotely operated.
Commander's weapon 0.50 caliber machine gun, GAU19/A, on powered rotary platform
NBC protection: 200 SCFM, clean cooled air

The A6 model is the latest upgrade in the King Abrams series, sporting a 120mm electro-thermal chemical (ETC) cannon. It features the same armor composite and countermeasure system as the Imperator, in addition to the targetting systems.

Inventory for armored units-

4,000 M10A2 Imperators
8,000 M1A6 King Abrams(6,000 sitting in wharehouses, the rest equiping militia)
10,000 M11 Legionnarie IFVs(4,000 sitting in wharehouses, the rest on active duty)
16,000 M2A3 Bradley IFVs(all sitting in wharehouses)

That's my special ground stuff, and for air,

Specs-

F/A25 Hound

Speed- Mach 3.6 (supercruise mach 2.4)
Armament-1 GAU 9 25mm cannon, two side bays (one missile each, sidewinders), one main bay (eight missiles each, AMRAAM, AXRAAM, Sidewinder, JDAM)
Ceiling- 90,000 feet
Engine-1 DDI T901 Pulse-detonation/turbofan hybrid(40,000 pounds of thrust)
Vectored thrust- 3D
Air-to-air refueling- Yes
Length- 57 feet
Wingspan-36 feet
Range-1600 nautical miles (combat), 3400 nautical miles(transport)
Countermeasures- Chaff/flare pod, IFF systems
Ejection system- ACES II
Radar- AN/APG-77

The F/A25 was created as a response for an air force requirement for a replacement for the venerable F/A22 Raptor. This latest design has both the speed and payload that the Raptor lacked. It also has a stealthy design to further increase survivability. It also had an advanced helmet mounted visual display system to increase survivability in a dog fight, by allowing the pilot to simply look at the target to achieve a lock. However, due to its larger engine and higher payload, it is much larger than the F/A22. A carrier based version, the F/A25A, which includes folding wings, is available for the navy, and is currently replacing the ancient F14 Tomcat. The F22 will remain in service with Air Force Reserve units, but the majority will be deactivated, and stored.

2,000 on active duty

Everything else I operate is US made, mostly, will get into detail at some other time.

Borman Empire

02-12-2004, 22:19

OOC: I presume I can use Borman made stuff so long as I put up stats.

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 22:38

The answer is yes, although it does depend on what exactly that Borman-made stuff is.

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 22:46

*peruses the stuff* Looks good. I must admit, I'm not the biggest expert when it comes to the technology side of things, so help is always appreciated. But yeah, all of it looks fine thus far.

Generic empire

02-12-2004, 23:06

As early as the early 80s, the UEBR made a strong departure from Soviet technology, relying instead on the brilliant minds of Balkan scientists and engineers to create new technology more suitable to UEBR tastes. As a result, current UEBR equipment is often beyond the current state of the art throughout the rest of the world, although as a consequence, UEBR equipment is exponentially more expensive.

As a result of an enormous necessity to control every aspect of society within the Union, the UEBR vastly redesigned the way society and major population centers were organized. Major cities became what are now the ‘collectives,’ constantly monitored, highly regulated and contained population centers, always under the watchful eye of ‘Father’ and the UEBR government ministries, especially the feared Ministry of the People, charged with the specific duty of regulating order in the collectives. The largest of these collectives, Comindom, is nearly one and a half times the size of New York. It is nearly impossible for a UEBR citizen to leave the city, or even to leave the particular sector they dwell in, as a result of the pervasive checkpoints that strangle all movement.

Each UEBR citizen is tagged at birth with a tiny chip planted beneath the membrane of the eye. The code encrypted on the chip is stored in a universal database which makes for ease in tracking the movements of each citizen. The chip also allows citizens to function within the collectives, as nearly every aspect of life is controlled by retinal scans. Government and security personnel are granted more freedom of movement, and occasionally more privacy based on their rank and importance to the UEBR government.

What movement that does occur is often done by way of the extensive sub and monorail system that connects every sector, and nearly every building within the collectives. As everything else, the rail networks are constantly monitored and regulated to preserve maximum efficiency.

In or near the center of each collective is what is known as the hive, the main government nerve center in each collective, near completely sealed off from the outside world. The hives are physically a series of interconnected facilities, some deep below the Earth’s surface. At the center of the hive rises a gigantic tower, from which most communication and broadcast operations are regulated. The main security monitoring facilities are also usually located in this tower, while the detention centers are thought to be located in the underground facilities. These detention centers are highly rumored and speculated on in secret, but there is no concrete evidence to suggest that they exist. A whisper here, a disappearance there, nothing more.

Militarily, the UEBR represents the standard of design excellence, relying on its superior technology over vast numbers. The UEBR makes extended use of power armor, having begun the design process in the early 80’s, and perfecting it around 2010. UEBR power armor is slick, mobile, and agile, it’s strength being the ability to hit hard and fast and flank the slower enemy. UEBR armored suits use heavily compressed neo-tungsten armored layers, a material surprisingly light and flexible, but one that still manages to afford a significant degree of protection. However, as the UEBR armor designs rely heavily on speed and mobility, some level of armored protection is sacrificed. UEBR armored suits are capable of filling a variety of battlefield roles, from close support, to anti-armor, to anti-aircraft support, to heavy utility duties.

The UEBR is also known to have made vast strides in the field of artificial intelligence. The full extent of this research is unknown, however it is common knowledge that certain artificial intelligence programs are heavily used in the regulation of the collectives and the hives. In the streets it is not uncommon to see small, spiderlike machines on patrol, watching and resending information to hidden regulatory facilities deep within the labyrinths of the hives.

The UEBR has also made significant advances in the world of energy weaponry. The UEBR government has made no official statements relating to any of this technology, or how far they are in development, however rumors suggest that the UEBR may be nearing dangerously close to completing their own satellite based energy cannon.

((OOC: I need a reasonable estimate for my population so I can make a calculation for military numbers based on population and equipment expense.))

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 23:20

Doomingsland

02-12-2004, 23:22

I do alot of the same stuff with my populace, actualy, well, the monitering stuff at least, none of that crazy AI stuff. So power armor is considered viable tech in this?

Generic empire

02-12-2004, 23:24

Serbia/Montenegro = 10
Bosnia= 4
Greece= 10
Bulgaria= 8
Croatia= 4 (minus the Dalmatian coast)
Macedonia= 3
Albania= 4
UEBR Romania= 15
Total: 63 million, adjusting slightly for population growth, about 70 million or so.

I do have a few reservations about that tech level, though. And that seems like very radical social engineering to me.

((OOC: I know it is, but I did mention UEBR obsession with social order and control. If it seems a bit far fetched, I apologize, but this was just my vision for the society from the beginning, and I would really appreciate being able to leave it as it is. I just think that it would make for a more interesting story. Also, i said that my armed forces would be small, so everything really balances out. It's just national character.))

Nordrreich

02-12-2004, 23:27

It's apparently under development now ... yeah.

Generic empire

02-12-2004, 23:44

Rough military estimate:

Total enrolled military personell (logistics personnel included): 536,000
Total combat ready military personnel: 117,000

((OOC: Reasonable?))

Doomingsland

02-12-2004, 23:48

I heard good working power armor isn't gonna be available till about 2020-2030, so it's a stretch, the armor would be pretty primitive and bulky, something you wouldn't want to use on a battlefield.

Generic empire

02-12-2004, 23:54

I heard good working power armor isn't gonna be available till about 2020-2030, so it's a stretch, the armor would be pretty primitive and bulky, something you wouldn't want to use on a battlefield.

Yeah, but remember this is a world where there have been no large wars to disrupt scientific progress by sapping sconomies or killing of brilliant minds. That would put tech levels some 15 or so years ahead of where they would normally be.

Doomingsland

02-12-2004, 23:58

In that case, I have some stats that need adjustment on my tanks...

Halibris

03-12-2004, 00:59

General Military Info

Armed Forces of India

Main Branches:
Army
Manpower: 1,900,000

12 Corps of 3 Divisions

20 Infantry Divisions; 4 Infantry Brigades, 1 Artillery Brigade, 1 Armored Regiment
10 Mountain Divisions; 4 Mountain Brigades, 1 Artillery Regiment
4 Armored Divisions; 3 Brigades
2 Artillery Divisions; 3 Brigades, 1 Infantry Regiment
16 Independant Brigades; 8 Armored, 5 Infantry, 2 Mountain, 1 Airborne, 1 SSM Regiment, 4 Advanced Deployed, 3 Engineering Brigades

((To be Continued))

New Shiron

03-12-2004, 01:20

Surface Navy
CVN R Reagan, J Stennis, C Vinson, Nimitz, T Roosevelt, G Washington, United States, D Eisenhower, A Lincoln, G Bush,
CVLN Lexington, Saratoga, Midway, Constellation, Kitty Hawk,
LHD Wasp, Bataan, Belleau Wood, Lingayen Gulf, Iwo Jima, Ranger, Boxer, Essex, Khe Sanh, Nassau,,Saipan, Kearsarge, Tarawa,
BCN Independence, Congress, President, Constitution,
CGN Port Royal, Yorktown, Antieim, Philippine Sea, Cowpens, Mobile Bay, Vicksburg, Valley Forge, Shiloh, Vella Gulf, Gettysburg, San Jacinto, Normandy
CG Bunker Hill, Princeton, Vincinnes, Leyte Gulf, Manila Bay, Lake Champlain, Lake Erie, Ticonderoga,

Plus 48 Aegis DDG, 48 DDG, 25 FFG, 12 LPD, 26 LSD, 40 MCM, 20 PC, 250 other ships, plus 20 Fast Sealift ships (enough for 3 heavy divisions) plus 240 assorted other sealift ships (from merchant marine and reserve), 20 Carrier Air Wings, 20 P3 squadrons organized into the 7th Fleet (WestPac), 3rd Fleet (CenPac), 1st Fleet (EastPac), 2nd Fleet (NAtlantic), 6th Fleet (Med), 5th Fleet (IO)

Carrier Air Wings – 24 F22B fighters, 36 F35 fighter bombers, 16 V22 ASW, 4 E2J AWACs, 4 UH60 SAR, 6 EF35 EW, (90 aircraft)

Light Carrier Air Wing – 12 F35 fighter bombers, 16 V22 ASW, 4 E2J AWACs, 12 AH66 ASW/Attack, 4 UH60 SAR, (48 aircraft)(replace V22 ASW with V22 assault transport version and AWACs for 4 more V22 for Assault carrier version)

Submarine Navy
SSGN Lockwood, Holland, Beach, Rickover, (each with 100 SLCM), (first ships 2011)
SSN Seawolf, Nautilus, Sea Lion, Barracuda, Pike, Skipjack, Swordfish, Stingray, Marlin, Seahorse, (first ship 1999)
SSK Orca, Seal, Walrus, Narwhal, Cod, Triggerfish, Cachelot, Herring, Manta, Lionfish, Dogfish, Bluefin, (first ship 2011, fuel cell powered)
SSN Virginia, Texas, North Carolina, West Virginia, Nevada, Connecticut, Maine, Ohio, New York, Virginia, Iowa, Alabama, (first ship 2002)
SSN Dallas, Albuquerque Providence, San Juan, Santa Fe, Scranton, Boise, Boston, Hampton, Kamehameha, Louisville, Miami, Montpelier, Annapolis, Greeneville, Newport News, (first ship 1985)

Federation Air Force and Air Force Reserve
4 Wings F22 (12 squadrons, 288 aircraft), 8 Wings F35 (24 squadrons, 576 aircraft), 4 Wings EB1C/B1B (8 squadrons, 86 aircraft), 4 Wings EB52 (8 squadrons, 86 aircraft), 1 Wing B2 (3 squadrons, 36 aircraft),
1 Wing F117 (3 squadrons, 72 aircraft), plus 200 C17 transports, 100 C5 transports, 100 C141 transports, 400 C130 tranports, 200 KC12 tankers, 100 KC10 tankers, 300 KC135 tankers,

plus 10 E4 Command planes, 10 E8 JSTARS aircraft, 50 E6 AWACs aircraft, plus 100 Special Operations aircraft

plus aircraft assigned to NORAD (not included in above)

Marine Corps
West Coast 1st MEF, 1st Marine Division, 5th Marine Division (MCR), Air Wing 3 (USMCR)
Hawaii 3rd MEF, 3rd Marine Division, Air Wing 1
East Coast 2nd MEF, 2nd Marine Division, 4th Marine Division (MCR) Air Wing 2
Central US 4th MEF (MCR), 6th Marine Division (MCR), Air Wing 4 (MCR)

Army (includes Alaska command)
Armored Cavalry Regiments 2, 3, 10, 11 ACR (heavy armor)(M1A5/Bradley ACV)
Mechanized Infantry Divisions 1, 3, 4, 24 ID (heavy armor/mech)(as above)
Infantry Divisions 2, 5, 8, 9, 22, 25 ID (medium mech)(Stryker APC/Buford tank)
Mountain Divisions 6, 7, 10, 21 ID (light infantry)
Airborne Divisions 11, 17, 82, 101, 1 Cav, (V22/AH66/light infantry)
Special Operations 75th Rangers, 77th Rangers, 1st, 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th Special Forces Groups, Delta Force, 160th Aviation Regiment, 6th Air Cavalry Brigade, 19th, 20th Special Forces Groups (Army Reserve)

Nuclear Forces (In addition to NORAD defenses)
50 Peacekeeper ICBMs with 10 MARV warheads each in silos (near Minot)
All SSNs carry 4 cruise missiles (stealth version) with one warhead each
All B52s, B1s, and B2s can carry multiple (up to 2 dozen) air launched cruise missiles

Space Command / NASA
Over 100 satellites of various types under FAS control of a military or government nature

Plus Space Planes (hypersonic scram jet shuttles), Colombia, Enterprise, Challenger, Discovery, Atlantis, Endeavour, Apollo, Mercury, Gemini,

Space Station Dixie (over Southern Hemisphere)
Space Station Yankee (over Northern Hemisphere)

Under development
Ion Drive ship Yeager (for Mars mission)

New Shiron

03-12-2004, 01:25

Generic empire

03-12-2004, 01:39

by the way, I have a lot of difficulty buying anybody having a general level of technological superiority or for that matter, parity, with the Americans, Japanese, Germans or British.

The Russians in certain applied areas would seem to have parity or a slight edge in some things, but I just really have a problem with anybody else being there.

Free societies create free exchanges of ideas which create revolutionary breakthroughs. Closed societies can make excellent progress in some areas, but not across the broad spectrum.

By the way, warfare, including the Cold War, was a MAJOR influence of technological achievement in the 20th Century. You name it, it got influenced by military need. Especially in the field of computers, aviation, and propulsion systems. Everyone should be about where they would likely be 10 years from now. Some of the things I am seeing are more likely 50 or even 100 years from now.

However, the equipment you are using is highly dated for this time period. Your forces still use M16s despite the fact that the United States military is currently phasing in the XM-8. It would seem a better idea to me that instead of trying to bring everyone down to a dated level of technology, that you instead create technology more fitting to a near future America.

Also, you have to remember that the UEBR is nothing like the modern perception of the Balkans. The unification greatly modernized society, bringing the Balkans out of the second and third world through an economic boom due to the lack of internal strife. so therefore, the UEBR has the complete capability to develop advanced technology, as it is no longer in any way, shape, or form a simple third world boiling pot.

Again, the lack of large wars also contributes greatly to technological advances. For example, the British scientist Rutherford (I believe) was well on his way to giving England the atomic bomb in the early years of WWI, but he was sent to the front lines and gunned down instead of being allowed to continue his research. You have to consider the technological edge the world would be given without the major devastation of the scientific community caused by the World wars.

New Shiron

03-12-2004, 01:57

Federation Special Projects

PSI
The Federation government does not officially have a PSI program, however, the CIA maintains a working group of about 30 people with extensive PSI abilities. Their primary task is to keep tabs of everybody else in North America who has PSI powers. In addition, children and adults identified to have significant or even mild PSI abilities, once identified, are automatically registered and given access to special funds for college, living expenses and medical care. In time of national emergency, these people will be approached and asked to serve. A war plan exists to create a special branch of the Department of Homeland Security called the PSI Corps under the aegis of the FBI and CIA.

Space Program
All 9 of the Federation space planes have a special bay that can be converted into a weapons bay. This would hold a laser and a chain gun (basically a small linear accelerator). Their cargo bays can hold up to a dozen large missiles, most of which are equipped with detonation X Ray lasers.

The Ion powered ship is armed with two weapons bays, and can hold about the same cargo as one of the space planes.

All of the NORAD interceptors have at least limited ASAT capability against LEO satellites, while the Safeguard ABM missiles can reach out to GEO without serious difficulty.

The Federation has constructed a small moonbase, and that moonbase has constructed a mass driver. Lunar rock can be directed at Earth targets from this base (think high energy kinetic weapons strikes). In addition, Space Station Yankee has a high energy particle beam weapon, with an onboard fission reactor (an improvement on the Soviet reactors installed on their ocean surveillance satellites).

All of this technology is simply outgrowths of current day tech and some are listed in the USAF document War in 2020.

Principal FAS space facilities are the Mojave Spaceport (military and civilian), Vandenburg launch facility, Kennedy launch facility, and White Sands Military Space port (also the site of a mass driver facility for launching non biological payloads into LEO). Principal space control facilities continue to be Houston and Cheyenne Mountain, with JPL continueing to handle robot missions to the planets. The Yeager (Ion ship) is ready for is first test flight series. Both space stations have limited manuever capability in LEO to shift orbits and with attached boosters, can be moved to GEO.

CYPERWAR
The Federation has a substantial (the worlds leading) edge in software development and has a very capable and numerous electronic and cyperwar command that is part of the Army and Army Reserve. Defenses are on a equal level for critical systems, although the commercial sector has to make do with the usual reactive capability. All war plans involve cyperwar plans and some groundwork has already been laid in potential adversary networks.

ROBOT TECH
All American forces make extenstive use of Drones and Robots, and even the Air Force aircraft are basically glorified manned launch vehicles for brilliant weapons. The ships of the Navy are the same way, and all American warships have anti torpedo drone and torpedo systems.

New Shiron

03-12-2004, 02:00

However, the equipment you are using is highly dated for this time period. Your forces still use M16s despite the fact that the United States military is currently phasing in the XM-8. It would seem a better idea to me that instead of trying to bring everyone down to a dated level of technology, that you instead create technology more fitting to a near future America..

Basically, the M16A3 (just entering service now) is likely to continue... armies are real conservative on weapons, especially small arms, and the XM8 hasn't been combat tested in OTL or this one yet, so the Army is being cautious.

Armored Vehicles for the US are a low priority relative to the European powers, so no urgent need for the US to upgrade. The Majority of US effort is focused on Space, Information and Sea Warfare.

Generic empire

03-12-2004, 02:04

Basically, the M16A3 (just entering service now) is likely to continue... armies are real conservative on weapons, especially small arms, and the XM8 hasn't been combat tested in OTL or this one yet, so the Army is being cautious.

Armored Vehicles for the US are a low priority relative to the European powers, so no urgent need for the US to upgrade. The Majority of US effort is focused on Space, Information and Sea Warfare.

Ah, now I see. Actually, that makes alot of sense. Basically, I think the best thing to have here is as many diverse national identities as possible to add flavor to this. Otherwise it's just a war, which is boring.

Nordrreich

03-12-2004, 02:47

A good point. I think we should aim towards having certain areas of expertise, however, instead of just being generally ultra-tech. I'll take a closer look at all this when I'm not sick but you both have good points. I'm not really willing to buy UEBR technological superiority, but I can deal with parity, with an edge in specific fields.

For example, the German military has great tanks and infantry armament. It's air force is good, but not as good as, say, the FAS and its navy is okay, but not great. (It's not a huge priority) One of the German desires is to shrink the size of its armed forces by anywhere between 25% and 50% while maintaining mano-a-mano technological superiority.

The robot tech stuff works for the FAS really well, and the Japanese would probably have some of that too. The Germans have a bit of a prejudice against too much robotics, they feel war is an art as well as a science. Which is why most of their most advanced technology is incorporated along with human operators.

Although, if you don't mind, I'd like to be able to maintain the German technological edge in psi technology ... after all, they discovered it. When I'm feeling less sick, I'll post more in-depth information about telepathy. Also, the psi bit has a relatively major impact on a potential sequel RP. (Ragnarok 2014 in IRC had a planned sequel, Ragnarok 2039 and an alt-war Apocalypse 2014, as well as a tentatively planned second sequel set in space centuries later).

The Basic Forms of Telepathy: (In rough order of prevalence)
Telepathy: The ability to percieve, communicate with and at higher levels of power, manipulate thought.

Clairvoyance: The ability to percieve future events. These first two are by far the most common telepathic manifestations, but precogs aren't really reliable enough to be militarily effective except in isolated events.

Telekinesis: The ability to move objects using mental energy. (Psionic phenomena is related to the EM spectrum) Weak TKs aren't uncommon by psi standards but the powerful ones are incredibly rare.

Theokinesis: A sarcastic nickname given by researchers, theokinesis refers mainly to psychic healing although it occupies a much wider range of pheomena.

Technopathy: The ability to psionically manipulate technology. Arguably the most useful psionic ability in modern warfare. A powerful technopath is very, very dangerous.

Pyrokinesis: The ability to psionically project energy. Extremely rare but often extremely powerful. Pyrokinetics are most often projectors of heat energy, but in fact, it varies.

Necrotelepathy: Incredibly rare. Only two necrotelepaths have been observed in scientific situations, one is undergoing study at the Free University of Berlin, the other is in a secret compound somewhere in the FAS. Reports are that necrotelepaths are capable of communicating with the spirits of the dead and even reanimating corpses.

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