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Chellis regrets for the next week or so, the strait of gibraltar will be closed to all shipping and non-allied ships. We are holding an exercise, and don't want to fire on any ships accidentally. We apologize for any inconvenience, and hope this wont take long.

The Federation of Aligned Planets would like clarification on this issue, exactly how long are you planning to keep the Strait closed?

Taskforce Alpha CN 625, consisting of 2 Type 23 Duke Class vessels, the FNV (Federation Naval Vessel) Hood and the FNV Sustainable and the Invincible Class Fleet Carrier FNV Indomitable is currently on the far side of the Strait.

We are currently aiding the Constitutional Monarchy of Bustlehome in defence, and are stationing these ships along their seafront borders. They will be returning home within 2 weeks, as we cannot expend any more on our military...we need to pass through the Strait - will it be open to us?

Chmhayak Vosneh
President of Aligned Planets
Paris, Earth

The Empire of Dumpsterdam does not recognize Chellis's claim to close down the strait of Gibraltar no matter what. We will continue running our weekly runs to the countries in North Africa to help them recover the severe drought from the past several years.

Yet again people seem to hamper the plans of the Dumpsterdanian Red Cross to bring aid to African countries but this time we are prepared, should any vessel stand in the way of convoy #43 heading for Sudan through the Mediterranean Sea we will be forced to take action.

Do not force my hand, you will not like the result.

Erik Solar,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OoC: The convoy is around six freighters loaded with equipment, food, building materials, medicines and school supplies. It also has a escort of the Royal Dumpsterdanian Escort Group seeing as pirate's see the Dumpsterdanian Red Cross vessel’s as easy pickings, around 2 frigate's and a cruiser are currently approaching the strait and will reach it in 21 hours.

This is a clear breach of International protocol. The USIH encourages nations to continue to use the straights and force these exercises to happen somewhere else.

The Naval Department has apparently said "Look West, see that blue thing. Use that."

Meanwhile President Anderson has encouraged everybody to continue to use the straights for normal trade and has said that the closure, if it continues, represents a clear and present danger to the economic stability of not just Europe but also parts of Africa.

We also wish to point out that if there are military exercies why are allied shipping allowed to pass through, surely they would be in as much danger if these exercises were anything more than a farce to cause considerable burden to those nations not currently allied to Chellis.

Austian forc es are continueing to move into position around the two Austian coloneys, moving through there allies terratory in Africa and ignoring the supposed blockade of the straits, any actions acgainst Austian forces will be ignored.

The Federation of Aligned Planets would like clarification on this issue, exactly how long are you planning to keep the Strait closed?

Taskforce Alpha CN 625, consisting of 2 Type 23 Duke Class vessels, the FNV (Federation Naval Vessel) Hood and the FNV Sustainable and the Invincible Class Fleet Carrier FNV Indomitable is currently on the far side of the Strait.

We are currently aiding the Constitutional Monarchy of Bustlehome in defence, and are stationing these ships along their seafront borders. They will be returning home within 2 weeks, as we cannot expend any more on our military...we need to pass through the Strait - will it be open to us?

Chmhayak Vosneh
President of Aligned Planets
Paris, Earth

The block should be done by then. If it is not, we will make special passage for your ships, as it is our own fault they will have taken that long.

The Empire of Dumpsterdam does not recognize Chellis's claim to close down the strait of Gibraltar no matter what. We will continue running our weekly runs to the countries in North Africa to help them recover the severe drought from the past several years.

Yet again people seem to hamper the plans of the Dumpsterdanian Red Cross to bring aid to African countries but this time we are prepared, should any vessel stand in the way of convoy #43 heading for Sudan through the Mediterranean Sea we will be forced to take action.

Do not force my hand, you will not like the result.

Erik Solar,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OoC: The convoy is around six freighters loaded with equipment, food, building materials, medicines and school supplies. It also has a escort of the Royal Dumpsterdanian Escort Group seeing as pirate's see the Dumpsterdanian Red Cross vessel’s as easy pickings, around 2 frigate's and a cruiser are currently approaching the strait and will reach it in 21 hours.

We wonder what north african nations need to be helped through the mediterranean? We control Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya. Egypt can be helped through the Suez. You have ample warning, if your ships attempt to pass through chellian sovereign waters, the strait of gibraltar, we will disable your cargo ships and destroy your combat-possible ones. This will only happen if you cross into chellian sovereign waters, that being the strait. Take the Suez canal if need be. You have ample warning.

This is a clear breach of International protocol. The USIH encourages nations to continue to use the straights and force these exercises to happen somewhere else.

The Naval Department has apparently said "Look West, see that blue thing. Use that."

Meanwhile President Anderson has encouraged everybody to continue to use the straights for normal trade and has said that the closure, if it continues, represents a clear and present danger to the economic stability of not just Europe but also parts of Africa.

We also wish to point out that if there are military exercies why are allied shipping allowed to pass through, surely they would be in as much danger if these exercises were anything more than a farce to cause considerable burden to those nations not currently allied to Chellis.

Chellis is under no international law(OOC: I know, the UN, but we ignore them, and this is well known.)

The exercises are for training against a theoretical attempted breakthrough of the strait. We cant exactly use the atlantic for that.

Overland transport it possible over europe, or africa. The Suez is a second entry point into the mediterranean. We do not have to let people through the suez, we do it as a courtesy. The waters between chellian morocco and chellian gibraltar are chellian.

Allied shipping is not being let through. We will alllow allied ships to come through the strait, as we are willing to suffer a small distraction to let allies through. The hastle is not worth it for non-allied nations.

Any non allied ships attempting to cross the strait will be either disabled or destroyed. We hold no bearing for this. All ships will be well told to stay away, using french, english, and morse code to tell the ships to stay away, to make sure they get the message. We will attempt to disable before destroying. But if need be, we will destroy the ships. Stay out of gibraltar.

Austian forc es are continueing to move into position around the two Austian coloneys, moving through there allies terratory in Africa and ignoring the supposed blockade of the straits, any actions acgainst Austian forces will be ignored.

The only allies on the african coast would be egypt. Use its god damn strait. We will destroy your ships if you attempt to cross.

OOC: ooc ignore or you just wont pay attention to it IC? Because an OOC ignore would be completely unwarranted.

The only allies on the african coast would be egypt. Use its god damn strait. We will destroy your ships if you attempt to cross.

OOC: ooc ignore or you just wont pay attention to it IC? Because an OOC ignore would be completely unwarranted.
OOC: It's not a OOC ignore.


IC: Aust balives that you closing the straits is a completly unwarented action, and we shall continue our movments, any attack on our ships shall be treated as a act of war. Any more convoys will be redirected through the Canal however a convoy of 2 fleets and 2 legions is currently approching the straits, it would cost millions to redirect them, any attempt to stop them will be treated as a act of war.

If fired upon our ships shall return fire.

Emporer Palpatine the 4th

Chellis is under no international law(OOC: I know, the UN, but we ignore them, and this is well known.)

The exercises are for training against a theoretical attempted breakthrough of the strait. We cant exactly use the atlantic for that.

Overland transport it possible over europe, or africa. The Suez is a second entry point into the mediterranean. We do not have to let people through the suez, we do it as a courtesy. The waters between chellian morocco and chellian gibraltar are chellian.

Allied shipping is not being let through. We will alllow allied ships to come through the strait, as we are willing to suffer a small distraction to let allies through. The hastle is not worth it for non-allied nations.

Any non allied ships attempting to cross the strait will be either disabled or destroyed. We hold no bearing for this. All ships will be well told to stay away, using french, english, and morse code to tell the ships to stay away, to make sure they get the message. We will attempt to disable before destroying. But if need be, we will destroy the ships. Stay out of gibraltar.

If necessary our ships will be moved into convoys and moved through the straights escorted by IH Military Vessels.

Elements of the Med Fleet have been ordered to head West from their bases in Dr_Twist.

EDIT: Also the Naval Department notes that you do not need a straight for the actual simulation, a computer program with limits for vessels to travel in the open ocean would be satisfactory.

The Makaarians are a peaceful people, but we cannot allow this threat to our sovereignty. We have trade routes running through the canal to our protectorates in the Middle East.

We are willing to negotiate for passage through the strait. However, reject our claims and our ships will pass through anyway.

You must understand that our protectorates are currently undergoing a war of liberation and we must supply our troops there if we are to hold on to the area. If not, our troops will die and the fighting will continue.

We must have this supply lane to continue this trade. We will not make an aggressive action except in self defense.

As an extra defensive measure, our flagship has been diverted from training and sent to the territories. As I said before, we are willing to negotiate passage through the waters.

We wonder what north african nations need to be helped through the mediterranean? We control Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya. Egypt can be helped through the Suez. You have ample warning, if your ships attempt to pass through chellian sovereign waters, the strait of gibraltar, we will disable your cargo ships and destroy your combat-possible ones. This will only happen if you cross into chellian sovereign waters, that being the strait. Take the Suez canal if need be. You have ample warning.

OoC: For the sake of god I'm currently ignoring several people that supposdly control north africa seeing as where all working with this mutli dimensional bullshit.

IC:

Then you leave me no choice, seeing as most of the materials will probably have rot on the way past the cape.

Convoy 43 will *not* be stopped by a foolish attempt from Chellis to shove its dick into the mouth of the international community. We suggest you go rape a few 3rd world countries if you get your kicks from that.

But we do apreciate the warning, they'll be picking up another armed escort and possbily some other nasties to prepare for a strike on Gibraltar should you get it into your thick skull to stop our convoy.

Erik Solar,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Any attack on IH or Dumpsterdam shipping will be an attack on The Macabees, and on the NWO, as well as the RWC. We will not hesitate to help our allies if attacked.

OOC: Remember, although you don't know ICly I have ten SSNs east of the Straits, and ten SSNs west of the straits. I put them there during my attack on Spain, never moved them after that.

Another problem has arisen - my nation is suffering a huge smallpox epidemic. We currently have several medical factories in our protectorates who have, until now, run supply movements through the strait and to my country in the UK.

I am going to have to be adamant about this. You must grant us passage through the strait or thousands, maybe millions, will die.

I do not wish to fight a war, but I will cross into your waters very soon if you do not allow me passage.

The USSCR, maintaining quite a large fleet in the Mediterranean, finds the blockade of the Strait not only against international law, but a security risk for the fleet. They have been ordered to approach to approximately 1800nm.

The fleet, though classified, is rumored to contain at least 4 supercarriers.

Secret IC: There was also a large SSN contingent in the Atlantic due to a prior conflict, and is now en route to the Strait to monitor the situation.

Diplomatic IC: The USSCR formally condemns the actions taken by Chellis. The Strait of Gibraltar is not only a military asset but a central hub from Europe and Northen Africa to the world. Blocking the Strait would also starve your OWN shipping economy. Desist at once.

Secret IC: THe USSCR, as a large proponent of Yukos/MOil Joint Oil Conglomerate, uses the Strait constantly to transport its petroleum and LNG products.

Secret IC (between CR and I):

We wish to propose cooperation for a united war effort between the Right Wing Collective and Communist Rule should Chellis decide that his power superceeds that of those trying to traverse the Gibraltar. This cooperation may extend to the NWO should Chellis attack The Macabees or Independent Hitmen first.

My forces have been mobilised. Chellis, you have 12 hours to grant passage before we launch an attack on Gibraltar.

Secret IC: To the Macabees
Our intel branches have decoded your message to CR. We wish to join your attack. Our military is not very large or very strong, but we need to get our supplies through the strait as soon as possible to counter the effects of the smallpox epidemic.

Due to the fact that we control Tunisia and Libya(on Earth II. Yes, even check out Earth II: Revitalized), we will not let Chellis shut down the largest way to North Africa. If Chellis does NOT re-open the straits of Gibraltar, the Lightning Starian Navy shall open it. By force.

To: The Macabees
From: Naval High Command
RE: Coalition

MSSG: We have not received orders
from Moscow to attack yet, as diplomatic pursuits
are in the process of being looked into.
However, we are willing to participate
in a Coalition to forcefully clear the
Strait of Gibraltar should it be deemed necessary. MSSG END

(Encyrption 951 Theta)
(Freq. 200.4)

OOC:You cannot post other peoples losses.

OOC: I already deleted it. Sorry about that - it's my first war.

IC:

The Parliament of His Majesty King William I of Makaar, recognising that no other diplomatic solution is possible, and recognising that a supply convoy must be made to its infected provinces, hereby announce to all of its forces that as of this moment, we are at war with Chellis.

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As the fleet crossed over the sea borders, one of the destroyers suddenly exploded. A call came over the loudspeaker, "Submarine!" as crew rushed to their stations. The flagship began launching depth charges into the water, and a black object began to surface. "Fire!" another call rang out on deck, as the black object emerged and...

Turned out to be a dead whale. "Where's the submarine?" called out the Admiral. "Sonar on, find me that submarine!"

I have a battlegroup and three of our OPARR fleets awating the signal to attack Chellis. I fight to re-open the straights because of the medical situation in Makaar, and the fact that some of my own troops in his country are in danger of being infected.

Open Broadcast

I would like to remind all those involved in the current crisis to pursue all diplomatic channels before beginning the cycle of war. The Commonwealth recognizes the sovereignty of Chellis over Gibraltar, but also realizes the importance of its waterway as a means of trade and transportation. I request that no military action be taken, until a reasonable solution can not be agreed on by all. I invite all participants to a third party peace conference in Granzi City where a deal can be hammered out.

Regards,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Granzi/FM_Sun.jpg
Nathanial Sun
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Not to worry. The Macabee Empire in no ways wants to war Chellis, as Chellis is one of the most powerful nations on this planet; however, should it become a necessity we will not hesitate to use this option. But yet, we are looking to a diplomatic solution.

OOC: I already deleted it. Sorry about that - it's my first war.

IC:

The Parliament of His Majesty King William I of Makaar, recognising that no other diplomatic solution is possible, and recognising that a supply convoy must be made to its infected provinces, hereby announce to all of its forces that as of this moment, we are at war with Chellis.

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As the fleet crossed over the sea borders, one of the destroyers suddenly exploded. A call came over the loudspeaker, "Submarine!" as crew rushed to their stations. The flagship began launching depth charges into the water, and a black object began to surface. "Fire!" another call rang out on deck, as the black object emerged and...

Turned out to be a dead whale. "Where's the submarine?" called out the Admiral. "Sonar on, find me that submarine!"


OOC: Are you sure Chellis has a submarine in the area?

OOC: That message was directed more at Makaar and allies. Macabees, I thought you had been in a war with Chellis before.

OOC: That message was directed more at Makaar and allies. Macabees, I thought you had been in a war with Chellis before.

OOC: Not that I remember; it would be an interesting war.

I am willing to attend a peace conference, we want a peacefull solution as mush as anyone, but it must happen fast. The epidemic could be spreading and we need the vaccine to get through.

I also request a peace conference. Perhaps there is some way Chellis could help me transport this over his land to a dock where it can carry on its journey?

Official Statement, Imperial Government

The Democratic Imperium sees through the thinly veiled attempts at war mongering on the part of The Macabees. We see that you are frustrated that your Imperialist exploits were stopped in Spain, and now you are trying to use this, largely irrelevant, incident to cause a war between two great alliances in which millions will die simply to further the interests of your own ego. We call upon The Macabees' allies to call for him to stop this action at once.

OOC: Actually, in two weeks you'll see how I succeeded in Spain..just be patient.

OOC: I really dont care much about this interalliance war crap anymore to be honest with you.

OOC: I see several people mentioning a war, we are not in any kind of war atm, just flinging words around!!!! This is probably how it is played out in RL diplomacy, well according to the West Wing :).

Open Broadcast

I would like to remind all those involved in the current crisis to pursue all diplomatic channels before beginning the cycle of war. The Commonwealth recognizes the sovereignty of Chellis over Gibraltar, but also realizes the importance of its waterway as a means of trade and transportation. I request that no military action be taken, until a reasonable solution can not be agreed on by all. I invite all participants to a third party peace conference in Granzi City where a deal can be hammered out.

Regards,
Nathanial Sun
Minister of Foreign Affairs

In the interest of avoiding a general war, His Omniferocity's government applauds Granzi's moderate stance, and will offer all interested parties an alternative neutral location for any negotiations on the island of Old Tersanctus- an EOE territory in the South Atlantic.

The Dominion has a long history of debating such closures of international free-trade routes at gunpoint. However, the most likely result of any military action to open the straits would have the same result as Chellis' current action for a far longer period of time.

Would it be possible for Chellis to postpone the exercise for fourteen days to allow normal trade to be re-routed? This would avoid the problems enumerated by those opposed to the exercizes and allow any affected countries time to make other arrangements.

Eternal Arch-Villain Psychopompos
Minister for Pre-Subjugation External Affairs

I cannot wait any longer for this. My people are dying.

---Message to 23rd Naval Support Divison, Meditteranean Sea---
Continue to Makaar. You must get the smallpox cures there. Do not fire on Chellis ships unless fired upon. End transmission.
---Message Ends---

I am aware that Chellis will probably attack me for this, but I would like to remind him that the fleet I am crossing through his waters is NOT ARMED. It is simply carrying medical supplies and personnel to Makaar. We will submit to any checks Chellis sees fit to put on us.

By the way, my definition of not armed is NOT ARMED AT ALL. That means that if you attack them, you will most likely sink them, but I remind you we need those supplies as quickly as possible. This is not intended as aggressive action against Chellis or any other nation. We simply wish to treat our people's medical needs.

Also realize that the 43rd Air Wing can be dispatched from the Protectorate States and be at the strait in an hour. If attacked, we will take all measures possible to defend our convoy.

Fine, a peace conference can be held but we expect to pass the strait in less then three days. If not, then we will force a breakthrough with any means at our disposal. The goods we are carrying are already not of the greatest quality and to stay at see for more then seven days(that is including the rest of the voyage) is not acceptable.

Normaly we would pursue diplomacy but Chellis is obviously hampering international shipping by stopping all vessles except his own and that of his allies. We find this unacceptable.

Erik Solar,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OOC: First off, if you don't recognize earth 1, then don't RP here. This means Lightning Star, Makaar, Communist Rule, Dumpsterdam, and any others who don't.

Second, Im ignoring the part where a chellian submarine supposedly attacks. Thats controlling my guys.

Third, I have 60m troops in the african terrories/France that Chellis controls. Thats half my military. Both Morocco and France have many aircraft devoted to Gibraltars defense, as well as a strong Gibraltar defense itself. We have also moves large numbers of ships into the strait, part of the exercise, but they are fully armed and prepared to fight.

IC: We will open the strait for seven days, and after that they will be closed indefidentally. Anyone who cant make it in seven days must re-route through the canal. Any urgent transportation can be handled across land, through chellian france, or Chellian West Africa.

Again, the waters between gibraltar and morocco are chellian sovereign waters. If these are not recognized, than we can move any amount of military ships into a sovereign nations waters, because we feel it isnt convinient not to.

Seven days, this is it. Any nation that declares war on us will feel the full extent of the chellian war machine. Any nation that crosses the strait after these seven days, will have their ships destroyed, and if need be, war declared. Our letting nations through the strait have been a courtesy, not a requirement.

Message from IDF to all who need access to the Med

To alleviate some of the pressures here we will be assigning more canal pilots to allow access to the Mediterranean Sea. This will allow for increase traffic while still keeping a low risk of collision. We will be imposing a 10 knot speed limit with the increased traffic to keep the collision dangers low. If you need any special considerations for large cargo or ships contact us so we can be ready to deal with you without impact to others.

We thank you for your cooperation.

Vice-Admiral Rick Johnson, IDF Navy Engineer Corps.

OoC: No chellis, what I meant whas that so many people lay claim to RL countries and every goddamned piece is taken but I do like to run the modest aid program for africa from time to time. How am I supposed to do that when every country is taken and either doesn't need help or is simply blowing my ships to hell because I'm invading their soveriegn waters?

IC:

Message sent to the Chellian goverment

Voor vloed, keizer en vaderland.

Signed, the people of Dumpsterdam

OoC: No chellis, what I meant whas that so many people lay claim to RL countries and every goddamned piece is taken but I do like to run the modest aid program for africa from time to time. How am I supposed to do that when every country is taken and either doesn't need help or is simply blowing my ships to hell because I'm invading their soveriegn waters?

IC:

Message sent to the Chellian goverment

Voor vloed, keizer en vaderland.

Signed, the people of Dumpsterdam

OOC: Its not my problem. Also, don't send me message's in other languages. Anything that comes from it I will ignore.

How long will the Straits be closed for?

The Imperium would like to take this time to remind any nations attempting to circumvent Chellian sovereignty by running their ships through the Gibraltar during military exercise that NATO countries control access to the Med. Any attack upon Chellis arising from this situation will more than likely mean the closing of the Suez and Gibraltar, although the Imperium can't speak for either IDF or Chellis.

However, because of the continuing threats against Chellis, the 1st Expeditionary Fleet is readying for combat operations at its Arabian Sea base. Any attacks or willful violations of Chellian sovereignty by any non-allied nation will find their military shipping in the Arabian Sea, Arabian Gulf, and Mediterranean Sea sunk. This is the first, last, and only warning the Imperium will issue on this matter.

Scandinavian States is correct, any attack on Chellis will mean me closing the Suez Canal to any nation that attacks him and their allies. It is better to accept this closure for a week then risk more hardship for yourselves. As long as nothing happens the Suez will be there for everyone with uninhibited access.

Transmission from Izistan.

Upon hearing of this blockade, we have decided to reroute all commerical and military traffic through the Suez Canal. When our new flagship completes its PR tour it will join up with our fleet currently in the Mediterranean by means of the Suez.

Respectively yours,
Karl M. Boon, Minister of Transport.

OOC: The ships were sent over to asist IDF with HLF. Though if a war breaks out they might need to get out in hurry(though that won't mean attacking Chellis, since I don't think Chellian ships would attack my fleet, but the agressor might... And here is that flagship I mentioned: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375134

OOC: Just be glad that I dredged the canal for larger capital ships or you'd run aground.

IC: Izistan, we have no problem with your transit, but a canal pilot will have to be aboard your flag ship to avoid any accidents that can close the canal.

OOC: Just be glad that I dredged the canal for larger capital ships or you'd run aground.

IC: Izistan, we have no problem with your transit, but a canal pilot will have to be aboard your flag ship to avoid any accidents that can close the canal.

OOC: Good thing you did.

IC: We have no problem with accepting a canal pilot onboard for the canal transit. We wouldn't want to risk our new flagship or for that matter, close the only currently open passage to the Mediterranean.

As of (RL time) last night, Spain has been sold to The Macabees, thus is it under his control. As for the Strait issue: ViZion also endorses peace in this situation.

The Empire of Risban, likewise, endorses peace in this situation and will help in whatever way it can.

Very well then. I will pass as many ships through in seven days as possible. Current schedules look like this:

DAY ONE
12 cargo vessels, carrying medical supplies, bound for Makaar
2 cargo vessels, carrying food supplies, bound for Makaarian Protectorate States (MPS)

DAY TWO
14 cargo vessels, carrying medical supplies, bound for Makaar
12 cargo vessels, carrying food supplies, bound for MPS

DAY THREE
12 cargo vessels, carrying medical supplies, bound for Makaar
14 cargo vessels, carrying food supplies, bound for MPS

DAY FOUR
Current boating shift ends
15 cargo vessels, carrying medical supplies, bound for Makaar

DAY FIVE
1 Nobel class escort carrier (1000 personnel on board)

DAY SIX
3 cargo vessels, carrying medical supplies, bound for Makaar

DAY SEVEN
3 cargo vessels, carrying medical supplies, bound for Makaar
30 cargo vessels, carrying food supplies, bound for MPS

If you have any troubles with my schedule, inform me and I will change it accordingly. Also note that all vessels will be under fighter/bomber escort and no cargo vessels posess any ship-to-ship armaments, but do posess an armory.

OoC: For some reason Chellis, it seems you have an grudge against me. May I ask why? And if you have some troubles keeping IC harsh language and the actual person behind a nation apart I don't think you should play NS.

That and that little piece of teksts is something you'd find on a chinese fortune cookie ;) Go learn another language.

OoC: For some reason Chellis, it seems you have an grudge against me. May I ask why? And if you have some troubles keeping IC harsh language and the actual person behind a nation apart I don't think you should play NS.

That and that little piece of teksts is something you'd find on a chinese fortune cookie ;) Go learn another language.

OOC: A. I have nothing against you, and don't see where you picked up on that.

B. I speak french and english.

OOC: A. I have nothing against you, and don't see where you picked up on that.

B. I speak french and english.

OoC: I think it started with someone bullshiting to me on a TG a few weeks ago that I coudn't get on your RL claim list or something, something to do with you. That and because you do seem to recognize other people's claim to RL countries but as soon as I pull in the multi dimensional theory you start to get agressive or uncarring of sorts.

Holy Emperor Anuare VII, of The Holy Empire Of Mortondiri would like it well known that any hostile action taken against Dumpsterdam will be taken as though it were an assault against the Holy Empire itself.

Dumpsterdam's aid in our own current conflict with the evil Kingdom Of Newbia's illegal blockade of our territory has been invaluable.

Several Mortondiri Imperial frigates have been dispatched to the Gibraltar Straiht to give any assistance required by Dumpsterdam against those who dare risk our Holy Wrath.

Lady Debbie Dusdalliss
War Commander
2nd Mortondiri Imperial Fleet
Holy Empire Of Mortondiri

*notes one of Vastiva's Wolf Pack submarine fleets is already in that area, on the Mediterranian side*

Vastiva continues to officially recognize Chellian Gibraltar as being Chellian territory. As such, Chellis can do whatever Chellis likes with Chellis' possessions.

The Austian convoy has passed through and all other convoys have been redirected, thank you.

Emporer Palpatine.

I would like to Direct nations Presently to this Map i have done some personal Investigation and it Turns out this Blockade is a Violation of Spanish Waters.

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/travel/spain.jpg

Theses the link its a rather Large map so yer i didn't post it.

Now, Spain owns Creuta and Melilla both Towns in Morocco, Now Technically the Owner of Spain the Right to also control the Straights themselves making them have the Same power as Chellis, so Presently NATO has Violated Spanish Waters which Technically is a reason for War.

On this Level I Demand that NATO remove there Blockade as they are Technically violating Spain’s Sovereignty!

Dr_Twist.

OOC:

*thump* Stop being a reactionist.

NATOidn't do anything.

Chellis is doing operations, and what they want to do in their territory.

As to the map - as currently those towns in Morroco are held by Morrocans, who support Chellis - sorry, no dice. They belong to Spain in the RL world due to diplomatic discussions which did not happen in the NS world. Ergo, they belong to Morroco.

Or perhaps you will explain how Gibraltar belongs to Chellis in the NS world, yet is listed as belonging to "UK" on that map?

Stop expanding things to where they don't belong. First get your terms right, particularly as to who is doing what, then research. You're inflamming a situation which does not need inflamming, and you're doing so without use of the facts of the matter.

OOC:

*thump*

NATO didn't do anything.

Chellis is doing operations, and what they want to do.

Stop expanding things to where they don't belong.

As to the map - as currently those towns in Morroco are held by Morrocans, who support Chellis - sorry, no dice.

I am sorry his Claims state Morocco, just because there are Separate states within it doesn't mean he owns it, this is how Chellis took gibraltar by saying the same thing, They are technically not the same country and are technically Spain’s, there is no where else where that states he has taken those so called States or any one else, and as such they are technically Spains.

Dr_Twist.

I am sorry his Claims state Morocco, just because there are Separate states within it doesn't mean he owns it, this is how Chellis took gibraltar by saying the same thing, They are technically not the same country and are technically Spain’s, there is no where else where that states he has taken those so called States or any one else, and as such they are technically Spains.

Dr_Twist.

OOC No, they're not. Otherwise, I'm digging up a colonial map and claiming everything because the Pope said it belongs to thus and such.

so stop being sorry and stop with the inflammatory discussion. Thank you.

OOC: Someone has a superiority complex.

Seems to me that this is just a Chellian excuse to block the straights,ive jsut realised that it doesnt really matter to me, being in South Africa I can access the Med from either, which are both NATO controlled apparently (looking that up now).

OOC No, they're not. Otherwise, I'm digging up a colonial map and claiming everything because the Pope said it belongs to thus and such.

so stop being sorry and stop with the inflammatory discussion. Thank you.

Those are Technically states that Belong to Spain in Real Life, just because there Next to Morocco doesn't mean there Part of Morocco, They belong to Spain no one has invaded them or tried to claim them to date meaning they still belong to Spain to this Day, there Spanish Lands.

Those are Technically states that Belong to Spain in Real Life, just because there Next to Morocco doesn't mean there Part of Morocco, They belong to Spain no one has invaded them or tried to claim them to date meaning they still belong to Spain to this Day, there Spanish Lands.

OOC:
Point 1 - you're still wrong. They're Moroccan and remain so.

Point 2 - REGARDLESS OF POINT ONE, IT IS NOT NATO WHO IS DOING ANY SORT OF BLOCKADE, IT IS CHELLIS

Get your facts straight.

OOC: Someone has a superiority complex.

Seems to me that this is just a Chellian excuse to block the straights,ive jsut realised that it doesnt really matter to me, being in South Africa I can access the Med from either, which are both NATO controlled apparently (looking that up now).

I just looked on Chellis Claims Thread and United Elias Controls the Suez according to His Claims Thread atm I am going off his Because it is his RP in a sense.

Thus making the Suez not in NATO Hands. Even if it was in NATO's Hands who Controls it? Because as far as i am Aware in Earth one it has always been a Whitter Pact Member and a close ally of Vizions that has controlled Egypt, thus still making it out of NATO's hands.

So atm from my Knowledge I don’t Believe NATO controls the Suez.

OOC: Suez is owned by IDF, and now you're just being ridiculous.

OOC:
Point 1 - you're still wrong. They're Moroccan and remain so.

Point 2 - REGARDLESS OF POINT ONE, IT IS NOT NATO WHO IS DOING ANY SORT OF BLOCKADE, IT IS CHELLIS

Get your facts straight.

According to ALL of the Current Maps of Morocco i have searched for and looked at there Still Spanish Lands and as such they will be recognized as Spanish lands. If you want to sit there in your own Fantasy world you May but they are Technically Spanish Lands and are Recognized as such.

OOC: Suez is owned by IDF, and now you're just being ridiculous.

The Suez isn't owned by IDF on Earth 1 it never has been.

The Suez isn't owned by IDF on Earth 1 it never has been.

OOC: Check posts 40 and 45 on this thread - which Chellis is accepting so far as can be determined.

Is there a particular reason you are being obstructionist?

According to ALL of the Current Maps of Morocco i have searched for and looked at there Still Spanish Lands and as such they will be recognized as Spanish lands. If you want to sit there in your own Fantasy world you May but they are Technically Spanish Lands and are Recognized as such.

OOC: You can recognize them as anything you want, technically. However, they are IN Morocco, which is currently under Moroccan control. So your technicality is pfui and naught, particularly as Chellis runs the Moroccans in control of Morocco at this time.

So do me a favor. Quit it. The pedantics are valueless. Until Chellis gets here and responds, any futher dickering is completely useless.

Then remember - AGAIN - this is NOT A NATO EVENT, THIS IS A CHELLIAN EVENT BY CHELLIS IN CHELLIAN HELD WATERS.

Have I said that often enough now?

OOC: Check posts 40 and 45 on this thread - which Chellis is accepting so far as can be determined.

Is there a particular reason you are being obstructionist?

IDF doesn't own the Suez in My Eyes, in my Eyes United Elias owns the Suez and until he decides to do anything with it i will continue to use it how i always have as we are close allies.

I am not being Obstructionist, i am Stating that IDF doesn't own the Suez on the Map United Elias does, and that Spain owns Lands in Morocco giving it the Right to close straight as much as Chellis has the Right to close it.

OOC: You can recognize them as anything you want, technically. However, they are IN Morocco, which is currently under Moroccan control. So your technicality is pfui and naught, particularly as Chellis runs the Moroccans in control of Morocco at this time.

So do me a favor. Quit it. The pedantics are valueless. Until Chellis gets here and responds, any futher dickering is completely useless.

Then remember - AGAIN - this is NOT A NATO EVENT, THIS IS A CHELLIAN EVENT BY CHELLIS IN CHELLIAN HELD WATERS.

Have I said that often enough now?

All i have been doing is pointing out holes in what is Happening Stating that Chellis nor any NATO member has the Right to close the Straight because of Spain’s Position because its Technically a Violation of Spanish Waters, i posted all these for people to Respond on and all you have done is attempt to turn this Into a Flame event which i refuses to take, Its your who keeps posting on the Issue and i will continue to post to counter what you have Stated because there are Many holes in what is Happening in this Thread.

OOC: Well, that should make another Crucible out of this - as in "a fast sinking ship which devolves into nothing". Congrats. Did you plan that out yourself?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

This is insane. Closing Gibraltar is like killing countless countries that need acess to the Med. From the Atlantic, or the Atlantic from the Med. That's like me closing The Bopherous Strait.

OOC: *sighs* Inkana - talk to Chellis about it. Its a Chellian decision, not a NATO decision.

OCC: I could really care less, It's just that it's kinda stupid closing this important waterway.

All i have been doing is pointing out holes in what is Happening Stating that Chellis nor any NATO member has the Right to close the Straight because of Spain’s Position because its Technically a Violation of Spanish Waters, i posted all these for people to Respond on and all you have done is attempt to turn this Into a Flame event which i refuses to take, Its your who keeps posting on the Issue and i will continue to post to counter what you have Stated because there are Many holes in what is Happening in this Thread.

OOC: Are you addicted to saying NATO has anything to do with this?

For the fourth time (and I'll color it so you might read it better)

THIS IS NOT A NATO EVENT NOR A SERIES OF ACTIONS CAUSED BY NATO DECISIONS.

THIS SERIES OF ACTIONS WAS DECIDED UPON BY CHELLIS INDEPENDANTLY OF NATO.

IS THAT CLEAR?

STOP DRAGGING NATO INTO YOUR STATEMENTS ALREADY!

OCC: I could really care less, It's just that it's kinda stupid closing this important waterway.

ooc: Since when has stupidity stopped anyone here from doing anything?

The Azurbajanian military has beeen in need of a safe pathway to the country of Makkar. We need to help them to crush a rebellion. These rebels are fierce and are using bio weapons.

Jonothana will recognise this blockade, as it is required for Chellian operations. We will also send a aome naval reinfocements, should they be required.

OOC: Vastiv is right, this is NOT a NATO operation, it is an operation that Chellis initiated on his own and notified you all to let you know.

Dr. Twist A: This is the NS world, RL boundries and RL claims are not always the same in the NS world.
B: Seeing as Chellis claimed the strait and parts of land around it, it is not, I repeat not owned by the owner of Spain. I doubt you agree with me but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

As someone said earlier (forget who), you're inflaming a situation needlessly.

Vastiva, he's not implying NATO has anything to do with it...he's saying that a closing of the Straits, either by NATO or ANY OTHER PERSON ON THIS BOARD, is a direct violation of Spanish sovereignty.... you need to learn how to not TYPE IN BIG LETTERS :-P BIG LETTERS ARE SCARY.

HOWEVER, as I see it, Ceuta and Melilla ARE NOT CLAIMED BY ANYBODY AT THE MOMENT... does that solve anything?

OOC: Vastiv is right, this is NOT a NATO operation, it is an operation that Chellis initiated on his own and notified you all to let you know.

Dr. Twist A: This is the NS world, RL boundries and RL claims are not always the same in the NS world.
B: Seeing as Chellis claimed the strait and parts of land around it, it is not, I repeat not owned by the owner of Spain. I doubt you agree with me but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

As someone said earlier (forget who), you're inflaming a situation needlessly.


OOC: Negative..Chellis owns the rock of Gibraltar... the Straits are technically international waters since lives in Europe depend on its status as open.

[Okay, I'm tired of this shit, so I'm going to lay down the law.

1) If you want to deny a long established fact, that Chellis controls the Gibralter, then get the fuck out. You aren't wanted here and pissing in our soup isn't endearing us to you.

2) There are more bodies of water in NS than IRL, thus the Gibralter does not have such great importance. Furthermore, the only reason nations have a right to pass through the Gibralter IRL is through treaty, unless you've signed a treaty that allows you free passage then you have absolutely no right to traverse it and the only reason anyone can is because Chellis is a nice guy. Don't spoil it.]

<OOC>
I have a couple of suggestions:

- If you don't agree with the conditions of this RP, then it doesn't happen in your section of phased spacetime.

- If it isn't happening in your personal version of the NS multiverse, then there's little point in turning what could have been a failry decent dipomatic crisis thread into a flamewar.

Here's an observation:
The last three pages of this thread have been little more than OOC arguments which- when boiled down to basics- amount to little more than "you can't do that!" "Yes I can!".

Here's another suggestion:
Make a companion OOC thread to discuss OOC topics.

One final suggestion:
Everyone who is trying to actually ROLEPLAY this scenario should contact Chellis by TG and ask whether or not their inclusion would be welcome. This is free-form roleplaying. It is Chellis' thread, let him run it as he sees fit.


That's my brace of small copper coins. Let me know what you decide, so I can decide whether or not it's worth continuing to follow this thread.


TEO

[Okay, I'm tired of this shit, so I'm going to lay down the law.

1) If you want to deny a long established fact, that Chellis controls the Gibralter, then get the fuck out. You aren't wanted here and pissing in our soup isn't endearing us to you.

2) There are more bodies of water in NS than IRL, thus the Gibralter does not have such great importance. Furthermore, the only reason nations have a right to pass through the Gibralter IRL is through treaty, unless you've signed a treaty that allows you free passage then you have absolutely no right to traverse it and the only reason anyone can is because Chellis is a nice guy. Don't spoil it.]

OOC: Ill just jump in here and ask you to star a few of those words before the mods see it and delete it.

[AFAIK there is no prohibition against cursing. If I've hurt your sensitive ears then I'm sorry, but thick heads call for less than polite words.]

My ears are fine, thank you for your concern though, I just thought I would stop this degenerating even further into a flame war. *Sigh*

Chellis would like to clear a few things up.

First off, the seven days have passed. We are going to give a final 24 hour grace time, asking anyone who cannot make it through the strait in that time to redirect, or wait in a port for a week. Chellis can make arrangements for this, or overland transport, at cost.

Second off, chellis claims the straits of gibraltar. The moroccans have allowed us the land at the extreme north of morocco, as part of our aggrement to help them stay protected from invasion forces, being a protectorate of ours. This includes the two cities that were once long ago spains. They have been moroccan since Verbotten Luftwaffe controlled the lands, possibly even longer. Despite what any maps say, those cities are fully moroccan now, and have zero ties to spain.

Third, chellis has the rights to close down the strait, just as any nation has the rights to not allow ships into their waters. We apologize for inconvenience, but we do have the right to do this. If anybody wishes to permanently use the suez, we respect that.

If any nation attacks us, we will not hesitate to retaliate. Crossing into the suez while the closing is intact will be a declaration of war upon chellis, so nobody can claim innocence.

NATO has not been involved in the strait at all, and it has no bearing over the action here. We respect the nations that support us, including nato ones, but there is no official nato cause to help. However, anyone who enters the straits will be declaring war on chellis, and we won't hesitate to ask for assistance if needed.

The closing will only be for a week. We apologize for any misgivings, but thats tough luck.

OOC: I recognize IDF in this because of two reasons. First off, he has valid claims to israel, with the exception of somebody else claiming it. However, that person has not gotten involved in this. As IDF recognizes all the other claims, and the person who has it as a primary claim on my list isn't involved, I see no reason why IDF should be denied entry into the RP.

I'm fine with anyone entering this RP, as long as they are decently good, and recognize the claims on the RL nation claims.

OOC: why is everyone complaining about me owning Suez? I RP as Israel with the post 6 Day War borders.

This is not a NATO conspiracy and it has nothing to do with NATO. If it were some NATO conspiracy the Suez would've been closed. I didn't close Suez. I in fact took action to accomodate more ships and not to make sure that no one was seriously inconvienenced. You should be thanking me instead of complaining about me owning Suez. I don't have to make sure that everyone's ships can get access to the Med, but I do it anyways out of good will. Sheesh!!!

OOC: Sorry, IDF, but certain people who shall remain nitpicky clogs to any role play idea simply enjoy making mountains out of molehills.

Might I suggest they go here and leave the rest of us alone? (http://www.imaginarygirlfriends.com/)

OOC: Sorry, IDF, but certain people who shall remain nitpicky clogs to any role play idea simply enjoy making mountains out of molehills.

Might I suggest they go here and leave the rest of us alone? (http://www.imaginarygirlfriends.com/)

((OOC: Boy that's scary.))

I would like all Nations Presently Involved in this RP to take Notice in what I am about to say and begin to point out to you.

Chellis is as we speak is technically Violating Spanish Sovereignty, I have Begun Another Thread in Reference to this, Chellis I am giving you 24 Hours to Remove your Blockade apon the Straight because you are Violating Spanish National Waters, as such we are asking NATO to step in on this Issue and request Chellis to remove its Blockade because it is nothing more then warmongering in an already tension filled area.

http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.gif

Now Ceuta, is Technically argued by both sides atm about who it belongs to so ATM lets say it belongs to no one, as you can easily See from the Picture above which is an Outline of Territorial Waters in the Straight.

Webpage with more Information on the Subject

http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.htm

The Discussion thread Between myself and Chellis on the Issue.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375518

Chellis you must Remove your Blockade as you have now technically created a reason for war to breakout between the Sides, only Chellis can stop what war could possibly be coming, So I suggest NATO step in on the Issue and request Chellis to remove his Blockade at once as it Violates Spanish Sovereignty.

Dr_Twist

OOC: Sorry, IDF, but certain people who shall remain nitpicky clogs to any role play idea simply enjoy making mountains out of molehills.

Might I suggest they go here and leave the rest of us alone? (http://www.imaginarygirlfriends.com/)

OOC: Doesnt it say something about you that you know of teh existence of such a site.

[Twist, RL territorial waters do not exist in NS, so your claim is baseless. Find another fucking waterway and stop bothering us.]

[Twist, RL territorial waters do not exist in NS, so your claim is baseless. Find another fucking waterway and stop bothering us.]

OOC:Us? The NATO line is that its an independent Chellis operation, trying to tell us something?

[Twist, RL territorial waters do not exist in NS, so your claim is baseless. Find another fucking waterway and stop bothering us.]

OoC: My, my, my I'm seeing someone become very defensive here. I don't know about you SS but you seem very agitated with the situation while there are no OoC tensions here except from you throwing b/s around.

PS: Do note that not everyone is as old as you are so please scale down the swearing, I don't have a problem with it but someone else might.

OOC:Us? The NATO line is that its an independent Chellis operation, trying to tell us something?

((OOC:There is a number of nations in support of Chellis, that is the "us". It just happens that many Nato members are allies with Chellis and want to aid him.))

Encrypted Message to Chellis:
It is imperitive that we be allowed through your esteemed waters. We have 3 SSNs en route to the Medditeranean, and delay is unacceptable. The strait is the quickest way through, and we intend to arrive in the Medditeranean on schedule. I hope some sort of arrangement can be worked out.
-Lady Larrisa Le'Croxxe
-Leader of Ybronneb

[Twist, RL territorial waters do not exist in NS, so your claim is baseless. Find another fucking waterway and stop bothering us.]

OOC: maybe they dont but hes using rl territory and as such rl territorial waters (as of November 2002) aplly when you role play ith them unless you take control of more waters icly. If he does take enough to blockade the entrance to the med then he violates spanish waters and as such it is a decleration of war on teh macabees

OoC: My, my, my I'm seeing someone become very defensive here. I don't know about you SS but you seem very agitated with the situation while there are no OoC tensions here except from you throwing b/s around.

PS: Do note that not everyone is as old as you are so please scale down the swearing, I don't have a problem with it but someone else might.

Frankly I'm tired of the RWC's crap. Nobody likes to RP with people who constantly conive, to the point of obsession, to enter into wars with another group. It pisses me off because you guys are constantly screwing with my allies and I'm tired of it.

OOC: maybe they dont but hes using rl territory and as such rl territorial waters (as of November 2002) aplly when you role play ith them unless you take control of more waters icly. If he does take enough to blockade the entrance to the med then he violates spanish waters and as such it is a decleration of war on teh macabees

Uh, no. Territorial waters are whatever the controling nation says they are. It's not like any of you control Spain and the one who does is IGNORED by NATO, so you guys really do need to buzz off.

Frankly I'm tired of the RWC's crap. Nobody likes to RP with people who constantly conive, to the point of obsession, to enter into wars with another group. It pisses me off because you guys are constantly screwing with my allies and I'm tired of it.
OOC: Then do something about it tought guy.... or you're going to have to deal with it.

OOC: First off, if you don't recognize earth 1, then don't RP here. This means Lightning Star, Makaar, Communist Rule, Dumpsterdam, and any others who don't.


OOC: I ignore ALL "Earths" its an ignorant and short-sighted concept. I will, however, bow out. You seem to be more of a defensive player, always trying to get rid of opponents via OOC channels.

OOC: IIRC, Chellis controls the Gibraltar Province of Spain and thus controls both sides of the waterway.

[Okay, I'm tired of this shit, so I'm going to lay down the law.

1) If you want to deny a long established fact, that Chellis controls the Gibralter, then get the fuck out. You aren't wanted here and pissing in our soup isn't endearing us to you.

2) There are more bodies of water in NS than IRL, thus the Gibralter does not have such great importance. Furthermore, the only reason nations have a right to pass through the Gibralter IRL is through treaty, unless you've signed a treaty that allows you free passage then you have absolutely no right to traverse it and the only reason anyone can is because Chellis is a nice guy. Don't spoil it.]

OOC: These are the two basic things. I own Cadiz, the region on the southern tip of Spain(Thought it was also called Gibraltar, was wrong). It has well been established that I control both sides of the straits. Not all RL things apply here, but regardless, even with that map, I control the waters. I control the section of morocco, and cadiz, and gibraltar. I'm not going to get into a huge argument about whether I do or do not control these, I am roleplaying as I do. If you are that angered about this, get out of the rp.

A message is sent to Chellis.
"The Empire of Risban requests two things:
1. Permission for one civilian trade ship to pass through the strait out of the Mediterranean. Your forces may feel free to inspect the ship and its crew.
2. If any other ships from Risban except this trade ship attempt to pass through the strait, we ask that you blow them out of the water. Recently, there have been rebels fleeing Risban via the sea. The Fiefdom of Nemh has already destroyed several of these refugee ships, and we give Chellis permission to use them for target practice as well.
Thankyou,
Alexander Perkins, Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs."

[Twist, RL territorial waters do not exist in NS, so your claim is baseless. Find another fucking waterway and stop bothering us.]

If you were bothered to Read i brought up that Subject in the Msg's to Chellis thread on the Issue, Where it clearly Stated that not a Single Nation within NS itself has ever agreed on an International Water's Boundary Removing his Right to Blockade because like you said, Territorial Waters Don't exist in NS but Chellis seems to think they do and he is Enforcing them in International Water's Which is Illegal.

A message is sent to Chellis.
"The Empire of Risban requests two things:
1. Permission for one civilian trade ship to pass through the strait out of the Mediterranean. Your forces may feel free to inspect the ship and its crew.
2. If any other ships from Risban except this trade ship attempt to pass through the strait, we ask that you blow them out of the water. Recently, there have been rebels fleeing Risban via the sea. The Fiefdom of Nemh has already destroyed several of these refugee ships, and we give Chellis permission to use them for target practice as well.
Thankyou,
Alexander Perkins, Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs."

We can make a one ship exception, as we can send the message to our ships on its specs. We thank you for asking in advance, and in 3 days this will be opened again.

OOC: Doesnt it say something about you that you know of teh existence of such a site.

OOC: Yep, it says I know someone who is making a rent payment plus per month doing this and getting her jollies off it, and wanted to share. Care to guess which one she is?

[Twist, RL territorial waters do not exist in NS, so your claim is baseless. Find another fucking waterway and stop bothering us.]

OOC:Us? The NATO line is that its an independent Chellis operation, trying to tell us something?

OOC: Yes. We're saying "The Juvenile Games are annoying the Adults. Please find some other way to play".

OOC: Then do something about it tought guy.... or you're going to have to deal with it.

OOC: What a GREAT Idea! *drops an IGNORE on Macabees*

What the hell, it's not like I'm going to miss out on any decent RPs or anything.

If you were bothered to Read i brought up that Subject in the Msg's to Chellis thread on the Issue, Where it clearly Stated that not a Single Nation within NS itself has ever agreed on an International Water's Boundary Removing his Right to Blockade because like you said, Territorial Waters Don't exist in NS but Chellis seems to think they do and he is Enforcing them in International Water's Which is Illegal.

OOC: In short - accept the claim or leave the RP. Easy. A or B. No more whining.

The CHN Tobias lay close to the shore of morocco, it being flagged as a non-combatant in the wargames. It held multiple sonar bouys, meant to be installed under the strait by divers. While the war-games went on, this was to be done silently. Not nessecairaly to be hidden itself, however.

OOC: In short - accept the claim or leave the RP. Easy. A or B. No more whining.

Why exactly are you here? I dont remember nor see any IC post, seems your only purpose is to flame/counter flame.

Encrypted Message to Chellis:
It is imperitive that we be allowed through your esteemed waters. We have 3 SSNs en route to the Medditeranean, and delay is unacceptable. The strait is the quickest way through, and we intend to arrive in the Medditeranean on schedule. I hope some sort of arrangement can be worked out.
-Lady Larrisa Le'Croxxe
-Leader of Ybronneb
OOC: Still waiting for a reply

The Azurbajanian military is bringing foreward 4 military freight ships packed with military supplies for an ally. We are als escorting them with 2 destroyers, 4 battle ships, and six "Blockade runner" (fast and heavy ship with a large battering ram) class warships. we will stand down and do not mean for any hostility. If fired upon, we will return fire. we request immidiate access through the strait. Please understand that our ally is in desperate need of supplies. We request immidiate access. We will wait for confirmation.

Why exactly are you here? I dont remember nor see any IC post

OOC: Read post 56 again. So far, my subs have no reason to do anything but watch and Vastiva has no reason to bring in its fleets or ground military - this does not concern Vastiva directly, it's not a NATO matter, Chellis is beyond capable of handling this. However, we do trade with Chellis - mostly for cheese, wine, and such - so it has our interest.

If you were bothered to Read i brought up that Subject in the Msg's to Chellis thread on the Issue, Where it clearly Stated that not a Single Nation within NS itself has ever agreed on an International Water's Boundary Removing his Right to Blockade because like you said, Territorial Waters Don't exist in NS but Chellis seems to think they do and he is Enforcing them in International Water's Which is Illegal.


If this is the case, we are bringing up our blockade runners to the front and are calling for more. Chellis, if Fired upon, we will get the armed forces involved. Move your ships to the side and let us through or we will let ourselves through. These blockade runners will also be equipped with depth charges. Our own submarines are en route. The air force has also been activated and harriers are landing on detroyers. These supplies are crucial please stand down.

If this is the case, we are bringing up our blockade runners to the front and are calling for more. Chellis, if Fired upon, we will get the armed forces involved. Move your ships to the side and let us through or we will let ourselves through. These blockade runners will also be equipped with depth charges. Our own submarines are en route. The air force has also been activated and harriers are landing on detroyers. These supplies are crucial please stand down.

The blockade will be down in 36 hours. If there is anything especially urgent, we can arrange for overland or air transport. If you cross into our waters, it is a declaration of war upon chellis. You do not scare us with your forces; Gibraltar's guns alone would be enough to handle the issue, but the hundreds and hundreds of planes, and large numbers of armed ships in the strait as well would do the job. We suggest that the nation waits 36 hours, it would be a much better alternative than making war with chellis. If it was so urgent, we might have been able to arrange something, as we have with others. Threatening us ruined that chance.

OOC: Still waiting for a reply

We thank Ybronneb for asking kindly, and letting us know of everything before hand, as well as recognizing our hold over the waters. We will let you through, but ask the submarines keep in contact with a designated destroyer of ours as it goes, so we can keep the war-games going, which are almost finished. You will be allowed through.

I have an extremely simple solution.

Dig another canal through Spain, Morocco, or the Spain - France border.

Problem solved.

I have an extremely simple solution.

Dig another canal through Spain, Morocco, or the Spain - France border.

Problem solved.

If anyone wants to foot the bill, and not have it touch chellian land territory, they can certainly go for it. We encourage it. It can even have a route through chellian waters if need be, though it would be a narrow route. As long as it doesnt mess with the strait, or chellian land boundaries, we are for it*

*Common sense applies, this is a non-binding promise.

We hailed you before and got no response. Don't lecture me on threats

We thank Ybronneb for asking kindly, and letting us know of everything before hand, as well as recognizing our hold over the waters. We will let you through, but ask the submarines keep in contact with a designated destroyer of ours as it goes, so we can keep the war-games going, which are almost finished. You will be allowed through.
We of Ybronneb thank you for your generous allowance of our passage. We agree to remain in contact with a destroyer of your choosing with the SSN's whereabouts as we go through the strait. Our SSNs will be on a frequency of your choice. Again, we thank you for your understanding of the importance of the situation.
-Lady Larrisa Do'Le'Croxxe

After sending the transmission to Chellis, Lady Do'Le'Croxxe turned to the conference screen.
"Admiral Jensen, we have permission from Chellis to pass through the strait, on one condition: We must remain in contact with one of their destroyers until we are through the strait. Chellis is sending the frequency you will need to use. What is your ETA to the strait?"

"Maam, I'd say two, maybe three hours. We're not that far away."

"Very well. When you arrive in the Mediteranean, contact me, so that I might inform Aust of our positions."

"Of course, my lady."

OOC:
Dumpsterdam, why are you going to Sudan, which is Roycelandia/Ramissilian owned territorry?
I am so glad I closed the Red-Nile Canal for this conflict. There would be overwelming traffic

Reply by TG.

OOC:
Dumpsterdam, why are you going to Sudan, which is Roycelandia/Ramissilian owned territorry?
I am so glad I closed the Red-Nile Canal for this conflict. There would be overwelming traffic

Reply by TG.
OOC: Whatever happened with that Scicaly thing?

OOC:
Dumpsterdam, why are you going to Sudan, which is Roycelandia/Ramissilian owned territorry?
I am so glad I closed the Red-Nile Canal for this conflict. There would be overwelming traffic

Reply by TG.

OoC: I sure as hell am not going to reply by TG when you could have picked up the answer out of my posts. Go read.

Azurbajan, regardless, we don't respond to threats.

As naval exercises are now over, the strait will open again in three hours. This delay has been caused by people trying to force their way through the strait, causing it to turn into a zone of fighting. Get mad at them, not us.

Captain Igor Stranslaus of the VSS Cataphract thanks your nation, and wishes to arrange for port facilities in Chellian-held France. Our convoy of twelve ships seeks to trade for French wine, cheese, and other goods.

Captain Igor Stranslaus of the VSS Cataphract thanks your nation, and wishes to arrange for port facilities in Chellian-held France. Our convoy of twelve ships seeks to trade for French wine, cheese, and other goods.

We can make arrangements in Marsailles or La Havre, whichever Vastiva prefers. Both are excellent port and trade towns.

We can make arrangements in Marsailles or La Havre, whichever Vastiva prefers. Both are excellent port and trade towns.

Marsailles, we thank you.

As naval exercises are now over, the strait will open again in three hours. This delay has been caused by people trying to force their way through the strait, causing it to turn into a zone of fighting. Get mad at them, not us.


Get mad at them? If I remember correctly you put the blockade on. Also, you are not allowed to blockade International waters.

Get mad at them? If I remember correctly you put the blockade on. Also, you are not allowed to blockade International waters.

The waters are not international waters, they are chellian national waters. Regardless, the strait is now open, they submitted to inspection.