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Norad Class Super Battleship (SBBN-1)
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The Norad class Super Battleship is almost a LHD/carrier with all of its capabilitys but it still preforms the role of Battleship better than all else. With its coilguns and cruise missiles it can pose a threat to any nation with a coastline. With its V/STOL aircraft support it can provide air cover for your fleets without commiting an actual aircraft carrier. The Norad class can hold a full marine force with vehicles and landing craft. It can dock 1 submarine in lieu of the amphib force and preform sub-tending duties.
There are several landing pads, 2 elevatorsand a pair of ski jump runways. It can accomadate up to 4,000 men max. Also its very well armored and blah i forget the rest but its good eh?
Propulsion:
(4) (small) Nuclear Reactors
(6) Diesel Electric Generators
(2) Hydrogen Fuel Cells and Batteries powering bow thrusters
Dimensions
Length: 930 ft
Beam: 120 ft
Draft: 56 ft
Armament
(2) 8 inch rapid fire cannons mounted in 2 Single turrets
(15) 20 inch "coilguns" mounted in 5 Triple turrets
(6) 30mm vulcan CIWS Goalkeeper guns
(2) 25mm manualy targeted chaingun cannons
(7) 20mm vulcan CIWS Phalanx guns
(7) FIM-92X Stinger quad launchers (28 total) mounted on 7 20mm CIWSs
(36) cell MK 87 Vertical Launching Systems (14 Cells each) (SM-2/SA-101 SAMs, Harpoons, Exocets, or Tomhawks)
(2) ABM Launchers (Anti-Ballistic missle)
(4) THEL (Tactical High Energy Laser) Anti cruise missle systems.
(8} 40mm Bofors Anti-Aircraft gun with fragmenting shells mounted in 4 Dual Turrets. (also anti-missle)
(5) Foward Firing Harpoon Anti-ship Missile Quad Turrets (20 missles total)
(1) 72 Cell SLBM/Hatchet Cruise Missle Launchers ( fires tomahawks,
hatchets, ss-n-19 through 33 or R-7 Dwarf type SLBMs)
(4) MK 32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (12 MK 50/46 or Squall Torpedoes)
(2) Side mounted depth charge launchers (can accomadate Atomic
Depth Charges)
(3) SA-102 or PAC-3 Quad launchers(SAMs)
(12) SAM-7Z Advanced Sea Sparrow missiles.
Aircraft
30 V/STOL aircraft (AV-8 Harrier F-35 etc)
-OR-
(35) Helicopters (AH-1A1 Cobra, AH-220, AH-64, SH-60, SH-65A etc)
-OR-
(30) Large helicopter (CH-53 CH-47 V-22 etc)
or a combination of all.
Sensors
Aegis and ARENA system
AN/ARS-24 Air-Search Radar
AN/SPY-1D 3-D Radar
AN/SPS-67(V)3 Surface Radar
AN/SQS-53C(V) Sonar
AN/SQR-44W Side Scan Sonar
Amphib Support
(2-3) LCACs
(4-6) Light Armored Vehicles (various types)
(20) Zodiac or (simmilar) landing craft
(4) Main Battle Tanks
(120) troops
Price
$4 billion

***THIS IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SUPER DREADNAUGHTS, CREATED JUNE 29th 2003!!!!***

OOC: How big is it? What is it's displacement? These things are handy to know--for example you won't be able to get a ship with a draught of 60 feet into RL Pearl Harbor (at least you couldn't in WW2; I don't know if it's been dredged since).

Also, $3.8 billion is a little low for a combo dreadnought/aircraft carrier, imho. I know that relatively speaking, I'm a newbie, but from what I've seen on other storefronts, dreadnoughts start in the tens of billions and can go over 100 billion.

***THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUPER DREADNAUGHT, CREATED JUNE 29th 2003!!!!***

Ya, you were the first to misspell 'Dreadnought' on that day. Other [and bigger] ships predate her, tho.

yeah those prices are way too high

it can fit through the panama canal i dont have exact specs anymore

OOC: The Iowa-class battleship could barely fit through the Panama canal; lots of supertankers today can't. What makes you think that a dreadnought would fit through?

I still think $3.8 billion is too low. I've seen carriers alone go for more than that. IDF sells 'light' dreadnoughts (Netanyahu-class, I think) for $30 billion. You can think that that's a ripoff all you want, and you'd probably be right, but I still think you should be charging at least $10 billion.

And if you lost the old stats, just make up some new ones. :D But if you want your dreadnought to fit through the Panama Canal, you're going to have to scale the other stats waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back.

We would like to buy 1 Norad Class to serve as the Flagship of our small but potent fleet. Money Auto-Wired on confirm

oh I mean the "NS" panama canal which is more than big enough for a Nimitz, sorry for the confusion..
Speaking of Nimitz Class Carriers, your mister IDF sells them for 2.5billion, so yeah I wouldn't use his shipyards as a good guide

btw GMC, I think "dreadnought" would be the British Commonwealth spelling, as I am American I will continue to use "dreadnaught".

I wasn't referring specifically to IDF's price for Nimitz-class carriers; I was referring to his price for a light dreadnought.

Now, since you apparently think that I idolize IDF simply because I chose his storefront as an example, let me ask you this: You propose to sell a combination dreadnought/aircraft carrier for $1.7 billion less than the price of this carrier (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7316112#post7316112)? I'm guessing that your dreadnought is going to be at least slightly bigger than this (but since you 'lost' your specs I can't tell *shrugs*). The materials and labor alone probably cost well over $3.8 billion, and you might want to make a profit.

I'm not necessarily saying you should charge $OMG526,234,754,321,877 I PWN UR BANK, but dude, $3.8 billion is ridiculously low.

Edit: As referenced by the order by Johnified Antarctica above, you have (conceivably) put dreadnoughts within the reach of nations who should barely be able to afford an Iowa-class or two.

OOC: Still vulnerable to submarine attacks like most dreadnOUghts.

OOC
My point with IDF was that a Nimitz should run $4+billion so that storfront should not be used as a price guide.
As for our other best friend Blacktower, his aircraft carrier holds 185 aircraft, my Superbattleship holds 30 S/VTOL aircraft. And for the record, you can buy about 4 Iowa Class Battleships for the price of 1 of my Norad Classes

IC
order confirmed.

Well, if IDF sells Nimitz carriers for cheaper than he should, I wonder if the same can be said for dreadnoughts. :rolleyes: This is idle speculation on my part; however, saying that IDF sells aircraft carriers for cheap and then rips you off on the dreadnoughts seems inconsistent. I confess that I haven't seen many other dreadnought designs, but the one that I did see today (other than IDF) was in the neighborhood of $250 billion.

Oh, and while Blacktower's carrier can accomodate more aircraft than your hybrid carrier/dreadnought, it doesn't come with the 20-inch coil guns, either. :rolleyes:

Yes, I know that Iowas should cost somewhere around $1 billion, but you missed my point. My point was that 18 million population nations have no business with dreadnoughts, but because your prices are so ridiculously low, they can get them.

Well thats the price if you dont like it go away.

On the nimitz, "The total cost of CVN-76 construction was estimated at $4.3 billion"

And that is that.

OOC: So this thing costs LESS than a Nimitz, despite having coil guns, THELs, VLS cells, SLBM cells, 3 LCACs, AND 30-35 aircraft???? Hahahahahahahahahaha. That's a good one.

The original price of this was $3 billion so i have made an improvment in it's second incarnation/

coilguns are cheap, they are basicaly just magnets

Try at least tripling the cost, otherwise its essentially godmodding. I'llgive you an example. My flagship, the ANS Phoenix, is less well armed than this thing, presumably smaller, as this would have to be about the size of an oil tanker, and has roughly twice the air wing size. Its also roughly the same tech level. Cost? $1,000,000,000,000

Try at least tripling the cost, otherwise its essentially godmodding. I'llgive you an example. My flagship, the ANS Phoenix, is less well armed than this thing, presumably smaller, as this would have to be about the size of an oil tanker, and has roughly twice the air wing size. Its also roughly the same tech level. Cost? $1,000,000,000,000
What did you make the hull out of? platnium? lol
thats a reverse godmod i would say :p

OOC:Ok, so i forget to mention one fact. Its a super-cavitating battlecarrier. ANd "air wing" also includes air/sea fighters.

Too expensive. So my super spies has stolen the ship's blueprints and we will now build our own fleet of these ships.

Additionally, we will add longer runways, so we can take off with our future (still in development) medium sized bombers.

OOC:Ok, so i forget to mention one fact. Its a super-cavitating battlecarrier. ANd "air wing" also includes air/sea fighters.

One trillion is still far, far too expensive, unless it's a sale cost with a truly awesome profit markup that's led to everyone remotely connected to it's development driving around in golden limousines.

One trillion is still far, far too expensive, unless it's a sale cost with a truly awesome profit markup that's led to everyone remotely connected to it's development driving around in golden limousines.

A point well made, but that factors in development costs as well. When it was built over a year ago, none of the countries building it had any of the technology required to build it. The later models are roughly 200-250 billion.

Too expensive. So my super spies has stolen the ship's blueprints and we will now build our own fleet of these ships.



Thats godmodding if i ever saw it.

How many VSTOL aircraft could be used from a carrier of that size, be are in the process of building our own carrier but for the mean time we could use one right off the bat for national defence. Would you consider a deal/trade so that we may aquire this magnificent vessle.

Tar-Plantir, President

You know, I'm the one who invented this so direct your critisim at me.

by the way, the dimensions are:
Length:
>Overall Length: 930 ft
>Waterline Length: 900 ft
Beam
>Extreme Beam: 120 ft
>Waterline Beam: 111 ft
Draft:
>Maximum Navigational Draft: 56 ft
>Draft Limit: 55 ft

hehe thanks, updated

Tylinoa would like to purchase this ship for its fleet, 4 billion dollars will be wired on conformation.


Steve White,
Foriegn Aid Secretary
The Federation of Tylinoa

bump

Easy there :)

Order confirmed.

OOC: lol sry some stores i go to don't reply for days :)