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Official Statement from the Office of the Minister of State for NATO Affairs

After intense negotiations between the New Alliance Treaty Organization, the New World Order, and the WestWood Alliance, we have arrived at a genuine proposal for peace on the Iberia Peninsula.

We have agreed in principle, it must be noted that nothing is yet concrete, to the following terms:

1) All nations leave the nations of Spain and Portugal.
2) Spain will become a client state of imported_Vizion and a Protectorate of the New World Order.
3) Portugal will become a client state of Jarridia and a Protectorate of the WestWood Alliance.

NATO and the NWO have agreed in principle to safeguard the Iberian Peninsula from further attack and invasion by foreign nations. All involved organizations and nations realize that a war in Europe would soon spread over the world. In the interests of peace and prosperity we have come together in this tentative agreement.


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Asa Aldenridge
Hamptonian Ambassador to NATO
Minister of State for NATO Affairs

Jarridia accepts this that has been placed upon us, and on behalf of the WWA we will prevail in the protection of Portugal from the forces that wish harm. Let it be known from here on out, that the WWA shall work for the peace and prosperity of the Iberian Peninsula.

The Dr_Twist Government can Confirm the discussions between the Alliances at this point as we believe Peace is More Important then a World war.

We hope that Nations around the World Support this Peace Proposal put Forward by NWO and NATO on this issue.

Thank you.

Dr_Twist.

ViZion supports and endorses this, and ViZion will make sure that Spain will be treated as it should be - that being very well treated, like our home in Italy and various areas in Africa. ViZion will also make sure it is protected just as Italy is.

Thank you,

President Maybury

And good sense thankfully prevails

OOC: *waves at ViZy across border, then pokes him with a stick* Howdy neighbor!

IC:

It is wonderful that I will be working with my close ally to insure the peace on the Iberian Peninsula. ViZion and I have been allies for a long time, and thus we shall remain.

and if you do want a World War then goto: http://s6.invisionfree.com/theworldatwar

(just a bit of Spruking for World@War :-)

OOC: *waves at ViZy across border, then pokes him with a stick* Howdy neighbor!

IC:

It is wonderful that I will be working with my close ally to insure the peace on the Iberian Peninsula. ViZion and I have been allies for a long time, and thus we shall remain.
OOC: *waves back at Jarridia, then kicks him* Hey!

IC:

Yes, I must agree. Jarridia and ViZion have been long-time allies, and very strong ones that that. We will work together to ensure the peace and defence of this peninsula.

and if you do want a World War then goto: http://s6.invisionfree.com/theworldatwar

(just a bit of Spruking for World@War :-)
OOC: Actually, was just thinking about that :p

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-tagged- also might be of interest to parties involved http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374575

Fablous. I sincearly hope that the peace ensues.

It wont. I willl not accept this peace. I will continue to fight for Spain, since I am the original claimant of the Iberian Peninsula in this war.

Peace will last Macabees. ViZion and I will insure this fact. The Iberian Peninsula will move toward a bright future, whether certain greed driven nations like it or not.

Peace will last Macabees. ViZion and I will insure this fact. The Iberian Peninsula will move toward a bright future, whether certain greed driven nations like it or not.


Not as long as the Macabees continues blasting the Iberian Peninsula... realistically you haven't had time to send troops to occupy Spain, so there's still little of anything in my way, except the peace keepers and Spanish locals...and I've already spoken to ViZion. I plan on bringing RWC allies too.

Technically, Macabees *slight laugh* I'm not in 'Spain', and in all honesty, if you've ever looked at a world map, Portugal and Spain are separate countries. So therefore, I am not directly concerned with the situation, though I am here to help protect the sanctity of the Iberian Peninsula. I would normally suggest that you just get over your ego, but that can be difficult for some of us.

Technically, Macabees *slight laugh* I'm not in 'Spain', and in all honesty, if you've ever looked at a world map, Portugal and Spain are separate countries. So therefore, I am not directly concerned with the situation, though I am here to help protect the sanctity of the Iberian Peninsula. I would normally suggest that you just get over your ego, but that can be difficult for some of us.


What's your point that Portugal and Spain are seperate countries? My goal is the Iberian Peninsula, mainly Spain. Portugal is just an extra perk.

I've never said this to anyone, because I always believed that you should set big goals to succeed, but I suggest you lower your goals. Not only have you been threatened by NATO itself (which I am not a part of) but also the WWA has set up a full security council to oversee the continued peace in Portugal and Spain. Not only that, but the aid to the WWA from Vampiria (A region) will be there too. Though I hate saying these things as if to flex muscles because thats just sad and retarded, kind of like all the things you say. I personally think that you should just go back to Italy and think of how 'spezial' you are.

This is my counter proposal:

Portugal - Jarridia occupied
Spain (except Barcelona, and the Gibraltar) - Macabees (still, technically, NWO)

We back a peaceful solution to these current difficulties.

We, too, will support this.

I will only accept the previous proposal. Portugal will be occupied by me, I keep Barcelona, and Spain will go to ViZion. Thats a fair way, and as displayed by your aggression Macabees, it only shows more reason why you are undeserving of having Spain. The first agreement was in the name of peace, yours is in the name of greed, and war. That is unacceptable.

Macabees, by attacking and invading Spain you are attacking and invading Vizion.

Not as long as the Macabees continues blasting the Iberian Peninsula... realistically you haven't had time to send troops to occupy Spain, so there's still little of anything in my way, except the peace keepers and Spanish locals...and I've already spoken to ViZion. I plan on bringing RWC allies too.

Realisitically, you haven't had time either. Don't call the pot black, Mr. Kettle.

Macabees, by attacking and invading Spain you are attacking and invading Vizion.

not really, you have just decided that ViZion should have it. He agreed and so did what? 2 other peopleapart fro him. If he had troops on the ground and it was his territory that logic would work but under the present situation it just doesnt cut it

not really, you have just decided that ViZion should have it. He agreed and so did what? 2 other peopleapart fro him. If he had troops on the ground and it was his territory that logic would work but under the present situation it just doesnt cut it

Spain is part of Vizion just as Jarridia is part of Portugal. Macabees can still invade, but he'll be invading the sovereign soil of Vizion. I don't think that is allowed in the NWO Constitution/Charter.

I think technically as the treaty has not currently been accepted by everybody and is still being negotiated it means squat.

Spain is part of Vizion just as Jarridia is part of Portugal. Macabees can still invade, but he'll be invading the sovereign soil of Vizion. I don't think that is allowed in the NWO Constitution/Charter.
It not allowed but i don't think anyone knows if this treaty is even through for that matter.

I think technically as the treaty has not currently been accepted by everybody and is still being negotiated it means squat.

It's been accepted by the principles:

Jarridia accepts this that has been placed upon us, and on behalf of the WWA we will prevail in the protection of Portugal from the forces that wish harm. Let it be known from here on out, that the WWA shall work for the peace and prosperity of the Iberian Peninsula.

ViZion supports and endorses this, and ViZion will make sure that Spain will be treated as it should be - that being very well treated, like our home in Italy and various areas in Africa. ViZion will also make sure it is protected just as Italy is.

Thank you,

President Maybury

It also looks like DT agreed to it too....

Chellis will accept, assuming we arent being asked to leave the territory of gibraltar.

that doesnt really mean anything, unless you bring M on board then they are actually invading him as he has made his intentions clear that spain is to become part of his empire. They dont have any troops on the ground, its as simple as that. You ignored my (legitimatly positioned) troops in porto for no reason (i never pulled out at the end of that rp) but they are allowed entire nations with no troops under your rules

Chellis will accept, assuming we arent being asked to leave the territory of gibraltar.

You aren't being asked to leave. That has been established as Chellian territory in past actions.

ooc- meant to do this when this was first put up.
ic-
Comdidia would like to announce its unconditional support for the treaty putting spain under protection and portugal under Jarridia.

that doesnt really mean anything, unless you bring M on board then they are actually invading him as he has made his intentions clear that spain is to become part of his empire. They dont have any troops on the ground, its as simple as that. You ignored my (legitimatly positioned) troops in porto for no reason (i never pulled out at the end of that rp) but they are allowed entire nations with no troops under your rules

Intentions mean nothing. If I say "I intend to make Huzen Hagen Hamptonshire's 100th Province" does that mean anything? It means jack squat.

Spain and Portugal are now part of Jarridia and Vizion. Accept it and move on.

The question is, does Macabees stand for the principles that NATO and the NWO are looking for in order to protect peace in the Iberian Peninsula. Obviously this is a no. He has just invaded sovereign nations for no point but greed. What is to stop him from continuing into say...France or the Netherlands? We must not appease him by letting him have Spain. He must learn that greed and war never pay off.

IDF stands by this proposal and asks Macabees to leave Spain. We urge all nations to not appease Macabees. Europe made that mistake in Munich. IDF will stand by our NATO allies and ask that Macabees leaves as it appears the NWO won't support him here and may even go against him.

IDF is ready act to get Macabees out now.

The question is, does Macabees stand for the principles that NATO and the NWO are looking for in order to protect peace in the Iberian Peninsula. Obviously this is a no. He has just invaded sovereign nations for no point but greed. What is to stop him from continuing into say...France or the Netherlands? We must not appease him by letting him have Spain. He must learn that greed and war never pay off.

Because France belongs to Chellis, whereas Spain was a protectorate.

By the by, we would like to state this treaty does not directly reflect NATO, and no NATO members except those who vote for this have to be held by this. No CB vote was made on the treaty, ergo its not forced on NATO members.

Well, ViZion has agreed to me getting Spain..so if this treaty has been agreed upon..we give ViZion the proposal of tranferring Spain to a Macabee protectorate.

Jarridia, the main fact that you refuse to let go of Portugal is only an indication at your own greed. We can argue back and forth, but it stands, that the only reason Jarridia and Hamptonshire refuse to allow the Macabees Spain is because of their personal greed, and bitterness.

Jarridia, the main fact that you refuse to let go of Portugal is only an indication at your own greed. We can argue back and forth, but it stands, that the only reason Jarridia and Hamptonshire refuse to allow the Macabees Spain is because of their personal greed, and bitterness.

This is coming from the person that launched a massive military attack aganist lightly armed Peacekeepers...

Next time you try to annex a nation, try work work everything out before you move. This RP has been nothing but a taxing headache.

Well, ViZion has agreed to me getting Spain..so if this treaty has been agreed upon..we give ViZion the proposal of tranferring Spain to a Macabee protectorate.


I highly doubt that ViZion would be ok with you attacking his closest ally, Jarridia.

This is coming from the person that launched a massive military attack aganist lightly armed Peacekeepers...

Next time you try to annex a nation, try work work everything out before you move. This RP has been nothing but a taxing headache.


OOC: Coming from a person who refuses to role play the war out....

I highly doubt that ViZion would be ok with you attacking his closest ally, Jarridia.


Do any of you know how to read? I never attacked Jarridia...I had plans to take Barcelona, but I never knew Jarridia owned it..the actual attack on Barcelona never happened.

Do any of you know how to read? I never attacked Jarridia...I had plans to take Barcelona, but I never knew Jarridia owned it..the actual attack on Barcelona never happened.

I'm not RPing because you plainly haven't done your research. If you are attacking phantom military forces and bases that don't exist and if you are launching attacks on other players I can't logically RP.

Research, contact people via TG, and work out a war with your fellow players via AIM or MSN before you act.

Ummm...ok..Macabees. What twisted demented world are you living in? Hamptonshire asked me to do this. He entrusted me with Portugal to insure its peace on the Iberian Peninsula. Its not that I need land, I'm located in Texas, and I'm perfectly happy with that. Its the principle of the thing. Hamptonshire asked me to do this, the reason I won't give it up is because I would hate to let an ally down we he has requested something of me.

There is no greed involved. I took nothing by force, I invaded no foreign lands, I killed no people. I was merely standing on the sideline when I was come to by an ally to be a part of a peace movement in the Iberian Peninsula. If you weren't overcome by your own ego and greed then you could see this. I do believe that jealousy has taken over your soul, and may God have mercy on you. Jealousy means to be at war with the good in another. You were not entrusted with Spain, and thus you feel the need to ensure that ViZion and I are not capable of protecting the Iberian Peninsula. Well I'm sorry, but just suck it up. I do not have the patience and time to deal with someone who wants to go run and cry to mommy because he's upset. I think you need to take a step back and see that you are making a grave mistake.

Do any of you know how to read? I never attacked Jarridia...I had plans to take Barcelona, but I never knew Jarridia owned it..the actual attack on Barcelona never happened.


I do know how to read. I'm not stupid. It was obvious that you had your plans to take Spain. I know you didn't attack Barcelona yet, however, you said you wanted to conquer Spain, and you made an earlier post saying that you would 'wrestle' control of that city out of Jarridia's hands, implying that you were going to attack.

OOC:

Hamptonshire - as I told you over MSN, then that was ICly a lack of intelligence, which means that missiles probably hit old Spanish RADAR sites, mistaken to be yours, old Spanish military bases - mistaken to be yours - and other old Spanish military assets, which were never taken out - as nobody ever said they were. Therefore, going with the role play, we assume that's what my missiles hit, and you said you would role play the Spanish locals, and that damage you would have to tally up.

Jarridia - As I said, I have no wants in Portugal, and I said that Barcelona would remain yours... therefore, technically you have nothing to do with this anymore... my current proposal is between ViZion and I...so please, stop bickering. I am in no way crying to my mother - I'm currently the only one who has posted a real IC war post in that thread.

I do know how to read. I'm not stupid. It was obvious that you had your plans to take Spain. I know you didn't attack Barcelona yet, however, you said you wanted to conquer Spain, and you made an earlier post saying that you would 'wrestle' control of that city out of Jarridia's hands, implying that you were going to attack.

That has a specific OOC tag to it.

That has a specific OOC tag to it.

Mine was meant to be an OOC post as well. My mistake.

Just pull out of the war. Every foot you move closer to your objective is just removing dirt from your own grave. You can't hold Spain forever, even if you do manage to take it in the first place.

Just pull out of the war. Every foot you move closer to your objective is just removing dirt from your own grave. You can't hold Spain forever, even if you do manage to take it in the first place.

OOC: Seriously, this isn't just at you SO, but can we stop making OOC threats and actually get something IC in this?

OOC: Seriously, this isn't just at you SO, but can we stop making OOC threats and actually get something IC in this?
I agree can we get back to the IC already?

Euroslavia refuses to stand idly by while the Macabees begins its quest for more power and land. We will begin to mobilized troops in the event that war is declared, and will defend Spain from takeover. A peace proposal was accepted by almost every nation, except for The Macabees, who obviously doesn't have peace as a number one priority. It seems that they're so stuck on gaining Spain for personal reasons, without a care about the massive losses/deaths that will occur.

OOC: Euroslavia has its own map, not matching a specific nation in the RL world, however, we use Serbia as our nation in case such an event arises. Me and DT talked about it before.

OOC: TAG for reading later. So if this thing turns into war, I'll know what's going on.

edit:
Note that unless this thing turns hot, I won't be posting. And that's only if NATO decides to mobilize. Also, due to RL concerns, I won't be able to maintain my general quality and frequency of posts, but the upcoming Thanksgiving vacation should help a bit.

Euroslavia refuses to stand idly by while the Macabees begins its quest for more power and land. We will begin to mobilized troops in the event that war is declared, and will defend Spain from takeover. A peace proposal was accepted by almost every nation, except for The Macabees, who obviously doesn't have peace as a number one priority. It seems that they're so stuck on gaining Spain for personal reasons, without a care about the massive losses/deaths that will occur.

OOC: Euroslavia has its own map, not matching a specific nation in the RL world, however, we use Serbia as our nation in case such an event arises. Me and DT talked about it before.


OOC:

Guys, c'mon here..I have already OOCly posted that my only interest is Spain. ALSO, I have respect for peace - but not when I'm totally ignored in the picture. I was the original claimant of Spain in this war, but out of nowhere Jarridia is given Portugal, and ViZion is given Spain.... two guys that had NOTHING to do with this war.

OOC:

Guys, c'mon here..I have already OOCly posted that my only interest is Spain. ALSO, I have respect for peace - but not when I'm totally ignored in the picture. I was the original claimant of Spain in this war, but out of nowhere Jarridia is given Portugal, and ViZion is given Spain.... two guys that had NOTHING to do with this war.
OOC: that is because we aren't going to start appeasing you and rewarding such behavior. Even if Spain is your only target, ICly no one knows that and setting a precedence of lying down and giving up just makes us look weak. Just ask the French. We won't make the mistakes of Munich here.

OOC: that is because we aren't going to start appeasing you and rewarding such behavior. Even if Spain is your only target, ICly no one knows that and setting a precedence of lying down and giving up just makes us look weak. Just ask the French. We won't make the mistakes of Munich here.


OOC: Actually, it does make you look weak.. because Hamptonshire isn't fighting here, he just gave up Spain to the NWO, and Portugal to Jarridia..that isn't exactly showing NATO power.... and what's currently happening that my forces are on standby for the Spanish invasion, while my aircraft and sattelites are looking out for NATO attempts to reinforce a Spain which is no longer theirs...I'm waiting for ViZion to get on MSN, or respond here to my proposal.

Quick Note:

As I can do nothing about it...I agree to the treaty. I will continue my own private talks with ViZion.

All in all, if you were wondering why as to ViZion and I came into the picture, was because those making the decisions felt we might be the best choices to insure that the Iberian Peninsula remains peaceful. ViZion and I have been allies for quite a long time, and we work together diligently. When this arose, I presume it seemed logical to put two allies together, especially when one of them is completely unbiased and has no major connections to any of the before mentioned alliances. NATO, NWO....I am not a part of either. My loyalty belongs primarily to the WWA. In hopes of preserving peace, holding Portugal would have provided a way that no bitter rivalry could have broken apart the peninsula again. If, by chance you do manage to get your hands on Spain, Macabees....I expect that you shall treat Jarridia like an equal, and that you will work with me to promote peace. You must also allow the Jarridian claim to remain over Barcelona. That is all. Thank you for your time.

Jarridia, I never meant that The Macabees and your own respectable nation become heart enemies. Barcelona, is to remain yours, of course.

The Macabees and I have talked this over. There will forever be peace in this area.

OOC: you know how easily could have been solved? if people just accepted that there were RWC peacekeepers in portugal and most of spain and Hmatonshire ones in its controled area. Though aparaently we pulled out at the end of the Guff thread (me and IN actually stayed in force) yet Hamtonshire stayed behind (when he/she posted pulling out), unfortunatly those thread were deleted so thereis no real way to fuly settlt this. Anyway i see things are working out but i think the process of ignoring people who impeed your plans really needs to stop