OOC: this is goign to be my last ooc comment before i start an ooc thread. You ignored Huzen Hagen and TMG for valid ooc comments. Aust is far bigger the you and so mobalisation is not that hard for him and you didn't take so long to get to the hlf either and another thing, this is not your thread so stop acting like it is. When you become reasonable then i am happy to let you rejoin the rp
Nope. I ignored Aust for GodModding. Which is unreasonable.
I attempted to ignore HH and the rest before the OOC flamefest began, but so be it.
I've had 2 fleets and 4 sub fleets in IDF since the Euroslavia conflict - they never moved. Ergo, all I had to do was move from Haifa with the IDF forces.
Size makes mobilization more difficult, not less. He has to move without being seen, or with being seen and accepting obstacles.
And it still doesn't give him the ability to *poof*. Period.
its not your ignoring of aust i disagree with so much but the ignoring of HH and TMG and your inability to be flexible. Rather then attempt to negociate around it and say rp yu attacking him its "you cant get through because there is no way you could run our mighty blockade of a massive nation"
its not your ignoring of aust i disagree with so much but the ignoring of HH and TMG and your inability to be flexible. Rather then attempt to negociate around it and say rp yu attacking him its "you cant get through because there is no way you could run our mighty blockade of a massive nation"
He didn't negotiate, he poofed. Poofing is bad. His stating "alright, I'm going to airdrop/blockade run/use the transporters on the Enterprise" would have been a fair move afterwards - but instead, dogpile/flamefest/pfui.
And neither HH nor TMG were involved, they were merely kibbitzing. Murdering a thread with OOC garbage kills it.
Is there a valid reason I have to pay any attention to either in the thread? Nope - they have no positions, no forces, nothing involved. Kibbitzers don't add to the "Tale of the Thread", they remove it as has been clearly demonstrated.
So, enough, and so, adieu. Apparently you are defending those who are cluttering a thread with OOC crap, but that is your choice, it is your thread. Though it astonishes me you are upset with me over ignoring those who are adding nothing to your thread but kibbitzing. You would prefer maybe more clutter? Apparently not - you made an OOC thread. So then... you are mad because you want poofty troop movement?
As yet, the statement is - as I perceive it - "HLF is mad at Vastiva, because Vastiva is ignoring those who have nothing to do with the thread". And that sounds purely silly.
Momanguise
17-11-2004, 14:27
You know, prehaps we should wait until Aust makes his post. This is not beyond a solution, he may well agree to attempt to make it past the blockade.
As I have posted my force have only just reached the blockade, (I see no decent reason for ignoring me) and are now trying to buff there way through. I have not made my men materialise or anything, and the message clear states (ICly) that they are there to peacekeep and to set up a refugee camp. You have no IC reason to be against it.
MAybe you might have picked up the coded message sent from Aust to HLF, but could you have decoded them?
Please give me a good reason what I have done wrong, please it's no good just yelling U GODMODed and expectig everyoe to agree, when did I GODMOD?
I just want to point out at this point I'm not ignoring anyone yet in this RP. I did ignore IN's actions but not IN himself. I'm sure we can work out an agreement on this thread on how things will proceed. My only problem with IN is that he magically got through my blockade.
As for my marine invasion, HLF's protest is noted. I apologize for the poor post. I was tired and somewhat rushed. I have no problem just starting from where the 1st 8,000 landed so if HLF wants to RP a counter attack there it will be fine with me. Once again I apologize for the shitty post on my part.
I'd like to keep the bickering to a minimum. I won't name names, but for now on please keep it down. I've got a bad headache and am feeling like shit. Just when I get over some virus I get another one. I also want to point out my posting schedule is limited due to a busy RL. Only expect me to post in the afternoon from 4-9 p.m. (Central time in the US)
You know, prehaps we should wait until Aust makes his post. This is not beyond a solution, he may well agree to attempt to make it past the blockade.
It's already been escalated ridiculously. I do hope none of these people are going into politics, I'd prefer not to glow at night.
Where to begin? How about I have a look at last night. What the hell, I'm bored, and I really don't expect any to make any sort of apology.
OOC: Vastiva, I suggust you quiet down with the flaming and inappropriate comments, now lets see what you just said.
There is no flaming, there are statements about what Aust is doing, politically. Therefore, error, and that's one apology owed.
There is nothing inappropriate in commenting on perceived poofery. That's two.
OOC You're blockaded out, forget it, didn't happen. No.
You don't start a World War in defense of terrorists whom you have no prior contact or agreement with. That's just plain out stupid politics.
How do you know that? And as for the politics it makes sense: The enemy of my enemy is my friend... besides WWI was started by a terrorist act, many wars have been...
Proof of a lack of understanding of the complexity which made WWI happen. The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was a flare, nothing more. It did not in and of itself matter.
You don't call the attack on IDF "cowardly" - then coddle the creators of that attack. That makes you look... well, "Kerryish" in stance, a waffler. You look like you're looking for a reason to support a terrorist nation. Bad, very bad. Weak stance indeed.
Hardly, you started killing off a load of HLF's civilians for little reason, other than you felt like it. As for personel politics leave it out Vastiva, if you want a political arguement your welcome to PM me and I'll take you apart, but leave it out of here.
TMG, I suggest a reread. Vastiva had two fleets ported in Haifa, which the HLF attack caused mass damage to, along with loss of life. Again, you aren't reading the thread, you're dogpiling. That's three.
(Dogpiling: Tactic of jumping in for no good reason save an "ally" is there, usually with an OOC comment. Normally used to crash threads or cause havoc in convention games. See also "Kibbitzing")
AND that many troops would be instantly seen, and yet again you would be shorked out to the world as "In Support of Known Terrorists". That would be a bad thing - realistically - which would severely impact your international trade and international standing.
Ah, but wouldn't it do the same if you started mass killing in a nation, for a single terrorist attack? Aust, is technically on his white horse here, saving a civilian population from brutality/massacre. To be frank most of what goes on NS would cause international trade to be extremely dangerous and haphazard, I really wouldn't like to be a speculator on the NS Universe/Planet stockmarket
Jihad is a legitimate tactic, as is vengeance. Gee, I'm an arab nation, mostly Islamic, who would have thought?
In short - no, this will not become an RWC v NATO battle, the whole bloody lot of you will be IGNORED for trying. So quit now while you're behind.
Who says it won't? You can't cherry pick your fights Vastiva, but then again it wasn't the RWC's intention to fight you here in the first place, don't be so presumpteous. Ignoring the whole RWC on no grounding/basis (and frankly you have none, other than your own little minds reasons)? Now, i'm not going to say what I think about that, but it has been said before in this thread.
The 'cherry picking' crack is a fourth one, unsupportable.
Ignoring commentary in a thread - particularly useless and cluttering OOC garbage - allows one to read the story.
Furthermore - if you hadn't noticed, this is a consensual, free-form role playing environment. Anyone can choose to play with - or not play with - anyone they like. Get over it.
Note to Mods: This is not intended as flame, nor as flame bait, it is a simple one-off retaliation of what Vastiva has said, which comes damn close to a
personal flame of Aust in my opinion. But I apologise since I normally could let that pass, but not the real vehrmence behind his words this time.
Its just a line of unsupportable insults and innuendoes you made, that's all. :rolleyes:
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OCC: I must agree Vast you can’t go around choiring who does and doesn't get involved in wars it isn't your choice it’s the choice of ether side and the nations themselves if they wish to get involved and you don't like it too bad as you can’t nick pick who you want just so you can win a war. Vast if you are going to Ignore people on this Level I will Ignore you myself and ask my allies to do the same as well because that isn't good Rp'ing that’s very weak RP'ing just to suit yourself. Take things as they come!
Considering the vast amount of RPs I've been in involving RWC and NWO members, your first part is unsupportable. That's one.
Did I choose who was here? No. Two.
Did I say Aust couldn't involve himself? No. My statement was he could not poof troops, and the poofing was ignored. Three.
Is there any reason not to ignore OOC comments which are disrupting the flow of a thread? No - the more OOC comments, the faster a thread degrades, particularly when it escalates due to dogpiling and kibbitzing.
Four.
Has Vastiva "taken things as they come"? Repeatedly. Another false assertion, Five.
In short - I am not interested in reading flames, dogpiles, or kibbitzing in a thread, that is how threads die. Therefore, I ignore it as "flowstoppers".
Simple enough to me.
Perhaps an illustration will work better.
Here is an original paragraph taken from this thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358209&page=2&pp=15&highlight=Crimmond)
Delta sat in his caverous office, on a chair that was older than anyone in the Combine, elves included. He was out of place in that sparkling and cheery room. A visage of darkness around him always, not just from hs clothes, but from his attitude and repuation.
He looked over reports and messages about AMF, the leak and the all important letter from Damien. So far, he had reacted as no one should have expected. He ignored it. Publicly, that is. "Senator...you are a man of great wealth and power in the Combine, handling our annexations in Southern Baggera, despite the fallout from Minsk. I applaud you for that. I must inform you that the defense forces in your area are about to increas substantially. General Santiana will be placing the Czek Gaurds along the border."
"Yes, Administrator. May I ask why?" the younger man asked. He was an Imperial. Political enemy. But he was still a patriot and would accept defense forces gladly.
Delta uttered five words that paled the man's face. Words that most men never wanted to hear. "Damien Dreadfire intends to invade."
Direct, enjoyable, easy to read, fun. Right? Good.
Now let's have a look at the same quote, only we'll fill it with OOC crap.
Delta sat in his caverous office, on a chair that was older than anyone in the Combine, elves included. (OOC:Man, you can't be older then the elves, elves are like forever, y'know?)He was out of place OOC:Wherever you are, there you are! in that sparkling and cheery room. A visage of darkness around him always, not just from hs clothes, but from his attitude and repuation.
He looked over reports and messages OOC:BORING! Where's the gore and guts! Cut to the chase! about AMF, OOC: Isn't that a company or something? the leak OOC He said "leak" *snark snark snark*and the all important letter from Damien. So far, he had reacted as no one OOC as no one reacted, whats the problem? *snark* should have expected. He ignored it.OOC:GODMOD! You can't IGNORE! I PWN UU!!!!1111!!! Publicly, that is. "Senator...you are a man of great wealth OOC NOT! and power in the Combine,OOC Farms are getting involed here? handling our annexations in Southern Baggera,OOC Wasn't that a dog in a Disney movie? despite the fallout from Minsk.OOC I got some Minsk, but I prefer cinnaMinsk *snarksnarksnark* I applaud you for that. OOC: Oh, thank you! I must inform you OOC No you mustnt that the defense forces OOC A touchdown! in your area are about to increas OOC OOOH, SPELLING ERROR! HA! USE MS WORD BUNNYMAN!substantially. General Santiana will be placing the Czek Gaurds along the border."OOC: Can you cache a small czech? *snarksnarksnark*
"Yes, Administrator. May I ask why?"OOC: No you may not, and get me a shrubbery! the younger man asked. He was an Imperial.OOC DARTH VADER ROCKS! Political enemy. But he was still a patriot and would accept defense forces gladly.
Delta uttered five words that paled the man's face. Words that most men never wanted to hear. "Damien Dreadfire intends to invade."OOC Get a hose, man! Put out the fire!*snarksnarksnark*
Now, does that make sense? Good, I hoped it would.
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Ah, yes, best for last. The only person showing sense here.
OOC: Strange seeing as all I've done so far is mobalised troops and sent a message to all nations and a coded one to HLF
A) I have not godmodded, I have only sent 3 legions, (A small amount of Aust army, 15,000men and around 75 tanks,) and they have not even set off yet,
Wow - simple statement from the person! Amazing that.
My apologies, Aust. Apparently I read something not there.
(take notes, guys, its what you do when you're wrong)
B) why am I here? Ages ago after I invaded HLF I balive we signed a allince, and so I am honour bound to protect him, I have not openly stated I am helping him eather, just sending in some men to set up a refuge camp, so until you break the code, (And if you do it would be almost GODMOD) then you have no IC: reasons for ignoring me.
Cryptographer Vastiva is not, though we have other nations who do that work better then we on outsource. Then again, as Vastiva didn't intercept the message in the first place that probably won't happen.
C) I know it is expensive, but when you are a nation the size of Aust spending a around 14% of your buget on defence, (Actual buget is $23,541,681,798,835.21-24% of my buget) then I can mobalise that meny men, and I havn't brought much scince I purcased a new fleet around 1 month back.
Apparently aware of economics too. Excellent. Not often I see such.
D) If you read my post then I have not yet reached HLF, my troops are moving but I seek permission to get through the blockade.
As stated, I misread. Mea culpa.
E) Other than my allince, I have things to gain, though maybe as of yet you do not know it.
Of course.
F) I don't want to turn this into a RWC vs NATO war, as of yet all I've done is sent peacekeeping forces in, as far as you know IClu.
Attempted, you're at the blockade.
Gee, Aust, thank you for explaining things and not escalating. Very much appreciated, thank you again, and I am very sorry for the earlier misunderstanding
Anyone else? No? Didn't think so.
Ok IDF i've noticed that yo've deployed alot of your ships from around the hlf to other places, i guess that means you can no longr maintain an effective blockade but i may be wrong.
Ok IDF i've noticed that yo've deployed alot of your ships from around the hlf to other places, i guess that means you can no longr maintain an effective blockade but i may be wrong.
I have a blockade with my Indian Ocean fleet. The IDF Navy is the largest branch of my armed services. I'm a member of the OMP so I have a Navy with over 2,000 combatant ships. (US Navy budget supports 300 ships and subs at less than $100 billion per year and my Naval budget is over $2 trillion per year).
The fleets I've sent elsewhere are the Atlantic and the tiny Kerguellen fleets. I still have other fleets unused and at port or just doing excercises off of my own coast.