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To: All
From: Joint Chief of Staff; Général Dallaire

Subject:

Purchase of military small arms for the equipment of the Land Forces of Lemieuxstad.

Tender:
Submissions will cover the purchase of 1 000 000 Assault Riffles in the 5.56mm NATO caliber, 750 000 Semi-Auto Pistols in 9x19mm Parabellum caliber, 50 000 Submachineguns in the 9x19mm Parabellum caliber, 50 000 Squad Machine-Gun in the 5,56mm NATO caliber, 1 000 000 combat knives and one million bayonnets for the aforementionned Assault Riffles.

Condition of acceptance:

Each weapon must be evaluated by the Land Forces Procurement Comittee on the Land Forces Academy Proving Grounds.A detailed description of each weapon must be provided.

Payment:

Either hard currency or goods depending on the outcome of negociations.

Specifics:

A 150% offset deal will be sought and the winner must agree to the licence production of the chosen weapon system.

OOC:

Again only 2004 real stuff.

Btt

BTT

(OOC) I need those weapons :(

The Bedou Government will be willing to produce a variant on the Colt AR-15 design for the 5.56 Nato Assualt rifle.CARBINE DESIGN FRAME (http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/variants/ro733.gif)


As well we will produce a special variant 9mm based on the P226 Sig Sauer frame design.DESIGN FRAME (http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/226/226a.gif)

Submachine gun 9mm based on a Steyr SPP design frame(This frame can also serve the standard 9mm semiauto hand gun design frame if that is your choice.) DESIGN FRAME (http://remtek.com/arms/steyr/spp/spp2.gif)

The can also serve as a design frame for a squad based machine gun in the same calibre as the assualt rifle.
SAW249AR DESIGN FRAME (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m249-3-s.jpg)

We will need you to be more specific about preformance tolerances, however, before construction can begin.
We hope that will be satisfactory-compensation can be negotiated at a later date.

OOC: Lemieuxstad, there's no way you could afford that many weapons. Your nation only has 6 million people, so there isn't even a million people to issue them out to. The largest peacetime military combat personnel you could realistically assemble (presumably with compulsory military service) is roughly 60,000. That is army, navy, airforce combat personnel. Another say...120,000 support personnel. That is the roughly the maximum peacetime numbers you would have. If you want help to build your military, feel free to ask, I will gladly help out you out. However, if you need weapons, I will help out with that...for the troops you do have.

IC:

The Canadian Tundra will offer up two series of assault weapons (rifles, and SAWs) that should please you. The Diemaco series C7A1 and C9A1, or, the XM-8 series carbine and squad automatic weapon variants.

XM-8 Series:

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 838 mm in basic configuration, butt extended
Barrel length: 318 mm in basic configuration; also 229 mm in Compact and 508 mm in Sharpshooter and SAW versions
Weight: 2.659 kg empty in basic configuration
Rate of fire: ~ 750 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (STANAG) or 100-rounds double drum in Automatic Rifle/SAW role

http://world.guns.ru/assault/xm8.jpg Basic Infantry Rifle with 30 round mag.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/xm8-ar.jpg Squad Automatic Weapon variant with 30 round mag instead of standard 100 round drum.

Note: We also offer the C7A2 EAGLE system, it is best used for special forces, or if your nation is very wealthy. http://www.diemaco.com/images/eagle.gif

The standard C7A1 rifle can be seen here:
http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a1-pic.gif

If you want, for a little extra, we can sell you the C7A2:
http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a2.gif

This is a picture of the C9A1:
http://www.armee.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/Images/2_0/39.jpg

Further information and pricing will be provided if you show interest in procuring either set. If you do, we will also offer the combat knives, bayonets, and pistols.

OOC: You can go with either of us, but I bet Verdy has more time to help you with your military RP then i do-hint hint.

OOC: Eeeeh...sorry, the post by Veredia was supposed to be from here, Veredia is my future tech nation, this is my modern tech nation.

OOC: Lemieuxstad, there's no way you could afford that many weapons. Your nation only has 6 million people, so there isn't even a million people to issue them out to. The largest peacetime military combat personnel you could realistically assemble (presumably with compulsory military service) is roughly 60,000. That is army, navy, airforce combat personnel. Another say...120,000 support personnel. That is the roughly the maximum peacetime numbers you would have. If you want help to build your military, feel free to ask, I will gladly help out you out. However, if you need weapons, I will help out with that...for the troops you do have.

IC:

The Canadian Tundra will offer up two series of assault weapons (rifles, and SAWs) that should please you. The Diemaco series C7A1 and C9A1, or, the XM-8 series carbine and squad automatic weapon variants.

XM-8 Series:

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 838 mm in basic configuration, butt extended
Barrel length: 318 mm in basic configuration; also 229 mm in Compact and 508 mm in Sharpshooter and SAW versions
Weight: 2.659 kg empty in basic configuration
Rate of fire: ~ 750 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (STANAG) or 100-rounds double drum in Automatic Rifle/SAW role

http://world.guns.ru/assault/xm8.jpg Basic Infantry Rifle with 30 round mag.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/xm8-ar.jpg Squad Automatic Weapon variant with 30 round mag instead of standard 100 round drum.

Note: We also offer the C7A2 EAGLE system, it is best used for special forces, or if your nation is very wealthy. http://www.diemaco.com/images/eagle.gif

The standard C7A1 rifle can be seen here:
http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a1-pic.gif

If you want, for a little extra, we can sell you the C7A2:
http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a2.gif

This is a picture of the C9A1:
http://www.armee.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/Images/2_0/39.jpg

Further information and pricing will be provided if you show interest in procuring either set. If you do, we will also offer the combat knives, bayonets, and pistols.

OOC: Well this was more for stockpiling than actual use and with time I'll have more troops.Also I wasn't going to pay all this with one check.I've done a very basic calculation of the military personnel that I can get i.e. about 20% of the total population will serve in the military.Anyways, like I've said its stockpiling but I could reduce the numbers upon negociations of the final contract depending on what money I have.

Bear in mind also that these weapons will probably serve in the State Police Force.

OOC: Whoa lol, 20%?! That's not possibly, the highest realistic percentage during wartime would be %5. There are some awesome threads about logistics and the reasons for this, but I don't have any links. The highest ratio I know of off the top of my head in RL was Canada which had a little over half a million troops in WW1 with a population of about 7.5 million. And that was during extreme circumstances in (what was at the time) the largest war in the world. While stockpiling makes sense, you shouldn't be stockpiling that many weapons, its impractical and way to costly. Don't forget your military budget needs to include food, fuels, ammo, training, uniforms, health care, accomodations, dental care, it has to provide maintenance for vehicles that include thousands of logisitics trucks, utility vehicles, repair/recovery vehicles in addition to APCs, IFVs, tanks, artillery units. Well, I'm not going into detail, but if you want a percentage model, I use 2.5% for my nation's peacetime military, of that, 1% is combat personnel, the other 1.5% are support personnel. That's with compulsory military service.

OOC: Whoa lol, 20%?! That's not possibly, the highest realistic percentage during wartime would be %5. There are some awesome threads about logistics and the reasons for this, but I don't have any links. The highest ratio I know of off the top of my head in RL was Canada which had a little over half a million troops in WW1 with a population of about 7.5 million. And that was during extreme circumstances in (what was at the time) the largest war in the world. While stockpiling makes sense, you shouldn't be stockpiling that many weapons, its impractical and way to costly. Don't forget your military budget needs to include food, fuels, ammo, training, uniforms, health care, accomodations, dental care, it has to provide maintenance for vehicles that include thousands of logisitics trucks, utility vehicles, repair/recovery vehicles in addition to APCs, IFVs, tanks, artillery units. Well, I'm not going into detail, but if you want a percentage model, I use 2.5% for my nation's peacetime military, of that, 1% is combat personnel, the other 1.5% are support personnel. That's with compulsory military service.

OOC: Well then shave a zero off all of the numbers mentioned in the request.I'll do the same with my predictions of available troops.To everybody I'll let you know what tender I chose.

Btt

OOC: Okay, btw, if you want help building a well rounded military, just ask, and I'll do what I can.

OOC: Sorry, that last post was supposed to from me

To: All who submitted tenders.
From: Général Dallaire, Joint Chief of Staff, Lemieuxstad Armed Forces

It is the pleasure of the Joint Chief of Staff to annouce the winner of the request of the request for tender LAF.LF.00001A-B.

The Tundra corporation will be the 1st contractor to supply small arms for the Land Forces with its novel XM-8 riffle package.

Negociations are still open for the licence production of these weapons as well as the 150% offset deal.

Moreover, the pistol part of the deal has not yet been covered so tenders are still accepted for this part only.

Btt

The Tundra is pleased that the XM-8 package has been chosen, and would like to know whether your nation wishes production rights, or if you instead desire a set number of weapons.

To: Tundra
From: Général Dallaire, Joint Chief of Staff, Lemieuxstad Land Forces

The deal has been made on the supply of the prescribed set of weapons for the Lemieuxstad Armed Forces however, we did ask for an option to produce these weapons locally.

As of yet this is not the case, however with our burgeoning nation we might need more weapons in the future so that is why we are asking the supplier to investigate and submit a fiscal plan for the licence production of the XM-8 package.

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For $250,000,000.00 the Tundra will hand over all design schematics and other necessary information for the XM-8 series of weapons, we will also include 56 examples of the weapon, along with conversion kits for the various versions. We will also send over several specialists to help you in reconfiguring an existing factory (or factories) for the production of the weapon. Once your people are able to produce the weapon (we estimate the cost for you to be around $3,500-$4,000 per weapon depending on the version being produced). For an extra $25,000,000 we will also give you the schematics and the such for the XM-320 40mm grenade launcher.

OOC: 250 000 000,00 thats way too expensive for the supply of any small arms.

C'mon that gives you a 2 500$ pricetag for a single weapon.A comple Stinger reload cost about that much.I know the XM-8 is quite an advanced design but even the basic G-36 upon which its based cost about 1 000$.

IP:

To: Canadian Tundra
From: Général Dallaire, Chief of Staff, Lemieuxstad Armed Forces.

We find your estimates of price quite expensive.We offer to pay you 1 000$ for each weapon bringing the total order of 100 000 weapons to 100 000 000$.Also on each subsequent weapons produced domestically we will give you 200$.