NationStates Jolt Archive

At 6' Clock this morning, the former forces of the corrupt democratic government, were overwhelmed by Dimmimaran forces. The citizens of the United Kingdom supported the Dimmimaran forces wholeheartedly.

Reports are sketchy, but it is believed that Gaius Serpentius will be crowned King later this year....

OOC:
This has taken place after my current rp's. This helps to clarify things a little....

Briefing to Gaius Serpentius, King of Great Britain and Ireland...

My Lord,
I bring pen to paper on this day, to inform you of our success in the liberation of the British Isles.

Losses were minimal, only 23 personel and 12 aid workers were removed as casualties. The government collapsed into chaos after several accurate strikes on various cabinet ministers, including the Prime Minister himself. The Houses of Parliment were contained intact as was the city of London. We have begun the administrative relocation to London.

I can only hope that we can begin the conquering of our former colonies can begin in the fullness of time.

Long live the King!

Jonathan Comley, Secretary of State for Defense

Official Statement, Imperial Government

We want you to clarify that the nation in question is not the United Kingdom as represented by our commonwealth ally The British Federation. If this is the case then a state of war will exist between the Democratic Imperium and Dimmimar. Even if this turns out not to be the case, we find this act to be an afront to British democracy and further action is being considered.

OOC: You lost 35 people to take the UK... whatever.

OOC: Most people would ignore this. A two post war thread about taking over one of the most powerful nations in the world, while losing 35 people... I'd doubt that.

OOC: Most people would ignore this. A two post war thread about taking over one of the most powerful nations in the world, while losing 35 people... I'd doubt that.
OOC: You make an excellent point.

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You realise:

A) This Britain is in an alternate timeline, hense the claim.

B) I was about to post an in-depth reflect back on the invasion, then I saw these posts.

C) Britain is not one of the most powerful nations in the world, in fact many nations could take it down.

D) If you would have waited, you would have seen an explanation about the extremely low number of casualties...

OOC:

C) I resent that! There are very few nations, in fact. France might have a chance, as might Germany (although they lack the nuclear deterrant) and the US too. China lacks the power projection capabilities as does Japan. Russia may have a shot but their military is kinda crumbling. No, not really.

OOC: You do realize that Kriegorgrad has laid claim to the UK in Earth II. I still don't know what to make of this honestly.

OOC: Germany wouldn't have a chance ;) (I don't think they've really the force projection ability, eh?)
Still, erm, nice to see that we'd have had support were this the same reality, or whatever.
I'm going to have to get back to being more active if I want to be widely recognised as the UK, I suppose.
[Goes off to dig-up some sleeping threads]
Uhm, carry on.

Renounce your claim over the Republic of Ireland or face swift and brutal destruction.

President and General Secretary Sean Matthews

[OOC: Nations capable of beating Britain in a conflict - China, Russia, USA, India, Israel, Argentina...heh, France, Italy, Germany...tee hehe, Turkey, Canada. Also this is pure BS invasion.]

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China: Doesnt have a single aircraft carrier. Yay you have millions of troops, now try getting them here.
Russia: The Russian military is crumbling, and would most likely mutiny. That is, if their ships are even fit to run.
USA: Fair enough.
India: No, they too (as far as Im aware) dont have any carriers.
Israel: Err... Britain is an island, Israel doesnt have an ocean-going navy. I think not.
Argentina: I think you'll find we proved our point in the Falklands...
France: Possibly, but it would be a hard fight.
Italy: No. Just no.
Germany: Perhaps, but Im not really sure if they have carriers either.
Turkey: Pardon?
Canada: No, Canda doesnt have the capability to launch a large invasion over the distances required.

OoC: Praetonia, India has recently bought several carriers from the Russian navy and is fully updating them.

But eh, what do you say of the Dutch? We've beaten England before and we can do it again. ;)

If you are talking about the real UK, they have about 120,000 combat troops, many of them seasoned in iraq, with a few senior officers and NCO with experience in the falklands, The army has several hundred challenger tanks, which while inferior to the latest model abrams and leopards, are still highly effective. Most of the Army is stationed in the UK, with about 10,000 in iraq, and a few thousand scattered around the world. the BAOR used to have about 40,000 in Germany, but I think those numbers have been scaled down dramatically, and the army units in Hong Kong (about 10,000 with about 3000 gurkhas) are long gone also. While the army numbers are down over the post WW2, the british army is pretty well trained. There real weakness is the capacity for a strategic war, however given the right circumstances, their latent manufacturering base can be ramped up and with a population of 60 million, numbers can be trained and built up over a space of a few years. I think during ww2, they had some 2 million in the army from a base population of 30 million, a historian would be able to give better numbers than me. the capacity to manufacture tanks, guns, ammunition and body army are all available, although raw materials may be a problem with the UK being a net importer of metals, fuel and many other products.

the brits also have about 30,000 royal marines who are tough bastards.

this is supplimented with some top special forces, the SAS, SBS, gurkhas, 51 para regt and a few others.

Air force is built around about 400 tornado aircraft of two main models the strike vehicle and the intercepter. Both very good aircraft and also used by the German airforce and italian airforce with limited exports around the world. Again supply of missiles may be a problem. The airforce has a limited number of other aircraft such as the jaguar, GR7 harrier, hawk fighter/trainer and other bits and pieces.

the Navy is basically there to ensure trade routes are kept open. To ensure this the Brits have 3 invincible class carriers with about a dozen harriers and a dozen sea kings, and 1 ocean class carrier which is basically an assault ship.

The rest of the surface fleet is about 30 odd so so destroyers and frigates.

the brits really excel with submarines, and their attack submarines are as good in rating with the US strike submarines, superior to the french, chinese and russian subs. Again the problem may be ammunition supplies, and I believe they had problems with their torpedoes about 2 years ago, probably resolved by now, but with the brits who knows.

also their 4 trident armed SSBNs are a decent enough deterent.

Their biggest defence is the fact you can't launch a land invasion....

how to attack the brits for a physical invasion, two real methods, air assault or marine assault. the only realistic direction is through french terrority so that air cover can easily be provided and limit the effect of the SSNs... then again you'll have to get the approval of the french, and france itself has forces on par with britain, so the advantage is with the defender.

Any air attack without a series of softening bombing runs would hammered by the tornadoes unless you could overwhelm their defences. No one has that kind of numbers except the russians, and frankly they don't have the fuel or the ammunition to sustain an attack over hostile terrority for limited gain.

Also brits are tremendously nationalistic, and while they may hate their govt, the hate everyone else more ;)

while I don't think the brits have the capacity to launch a serious invasion of any other comparitive nation in the world, and would be hardpressed to take and hold just about any other country with a population over 20 million, to take and hold the UK would be virtually impossible without razing the populaiton.

I would say that pretty much only the US has the capacity to invade and hold the UK against the will of the population, and that would involve some severe carpet bombing of areas such as london, manchester, birmingham etc (although bombing manchester and birmingham, might actually make those cities more attractive).

I can't think of a successful invasion of britain since a tired harold with a weary army was over run by an opportunistic and brilliant william of Normandy (although the imbeciles handed the crown to the house of orange who dragged britain into pointless and personal wars in europe)

(besides What the fork is in England worth invading them for that you couldn't buy for 1/10 of the cost? harrods, Jaguar, rolls royce, etc are now all overseas owned)

Britain may be a tired old former drama queen, but being an island, with a reasonable military force, i don't think there is any advantage or possibility of it being invaded in the real world.

if I wanted to damage the UK, and I had the capacity, I think the way to go is spies damage corn and wheat crops, introduce apple blight and potatoe blights etc, meanwhile using the U boat strategy of destroying shipping. Its sad but true, that without the supply lines held open from the US, canada, Aus etc, plus the overwhelming number and quality of the royal navy during ww2, PLUS the entry of the Americans britain would not have been able to counterattack against nazi germany, although it would have been a long time if every Germany had the capacity to overrun the brits if not for the spring offensive by stalin and the allied support of the US.

Idiot, Kriegorgrad owns Great Britain on Earth II...

OOC: Germany has no carriers, no capacity to invade the UK, and certainly can't compare to the UK or even France in terms of force projection. Without thinking too hard on the matter, I'd say that the UK is probably the second most capable nation in terms of potential overseas military deployment (with the ludicrously over-militarised US obviously being first). In the real world, that is.

However, this is NS, and things are different. It is stupid to assume that the UK would maintain its 100,000 man standing army, 72,000 (or so) man territorial army, and two or three thousand man marine force (the larger figure mentioned by someone earlier must include Royal Marine Auxiliaries or something), dump its sixty Jaguars, order just two new carriers without armour et cetra, or destroyers with almost all optional equipment left out because it costs a lot. That's sort of why I play the UK in NS, using the real population size. The UK only has relatively weak forces because of confidence in the fact that France, Russia, Dimmimar or whoever else won't be invading any time soon. If thrust into the NS world, the UK would get back to maintaining a military that might actually have to fight a real war rather than just chasing after terrorist organisations that only exist in the minds of people who probably believe that 'dirty bombs' can actually work.

Long story short, invade the UK in NS and you have to accept that you're invading a nation that's ready for it, because it's a nation adrift in a giant cold war environment, not a soft target in a world with no threats. (More than that, a nation that has spawned hundreds of child states around the world... how many NS countries were founded by British pioneers? There'd be hundreds of billions of ex-pats out there reacting to an attack on the British Isles, either by pressuring colonial governments to join the war, volunteering for the British or joining resistance movements, donating funds, or just boycotting the invader's products.)

*Sits back down*

OOC: Thank you Layatarb and Hogsweat, if you didn't tell me, I would'nt of known about me owning the UK :)

IC: Foul Dimmimarian oppressors, you shall leave the United Kingdom immediately lest you wish to feel the cold wrath of the Kriegos military.

Should you fail to leave and take all your personnel with you, we will be forced to call upon the RWC and the NWO to rid Brittania of the foul plague that is Dimmimar.

Yours,

Grand Inquisitorial Lord Matthias, Keeper of the Seal, Guardian of the Tome

(One T, two Ns; Britannia. Sorry, pet peeve :) )

OOC:

China: Doesnt have a single aircraft carrier. Yay you have millions of troops, now try getting them here.
Russia: The Russian military is crumbling, and would most likely mutiny. That is, if their ships are even fit to run.
USA: Fair enough.
India: No, they too (as far as Im aware) dont have any carriers.
Israel: Err... Britain is an island, Israel doesnt have an ocean-going navy. I think not.
Argentina: I think you'll find we proved our point in the Falklands...
France: Possibly, but it would be a hard fight.
Italy: No. Just no.
Germany: Perhaps, but Im not really sure if they have carriers either.
Turkey: Pardon?
Canada: No, Canda doesnt have the capability to launch a large invasion over the distances required.

Well said, I was thinking the same things when I saw that hideous list. And France couldn't invade England. Just think of Southeastern Asia & World War II, the French don't even have the ability to defend their own possessions let alone invade another one. Damn the British would steamroll the French.

OOC: Thank you Layatarb and Hogsweat, if you didn't tell me, I would'nt of known about me owning the UK :)

IC: Foul Dimmimarian oppressors, you shall leave the United Kingdom immediately lest you wish to feel the cold wrath of the Kriegos military.

Should you fail to leave and take all your personnel with you, we will be forced to call upon the RWC and the NWO to rid Brittania of the foul plague that is Dimmimar.

Yours,

Grand Inquisitorial Lord Matthias, Keeper of the Seal, Guardian of the Tome

This not a problem at all. You are doing fine. BTW the RWC is a fine organimization to be in. (Spelling error intentional). Additionally, I would like to say, "Kick his arse!"

This not a problem at all. You are doing fine. BTW the RWC is a fine organimization to be in. (Spelling error intentional). Additionally, I would like to say, "Kick his arse!"

OOC: Thank you, I will try and do just that, that is, if he has the balls to come back to this thread.

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C) Britain is not one of the most powerful nations in the world, in fact many nations could take it down. [OOC: "Many" nations, huh? Name them. Name them all.

The burden of proof's on you.

Let's go over the list of countries Praetonia listed:

France: Known to surrender a time or three dozen. Britain's military would win the war based on quality of equipment and personnel.

Germany: Lacks nuclear deterrant. May lack cohesion being a reunited country only for a limited number of years. Britain probably wins.

China: Lack of power projection documented. Their only advantage is sheer number of men but a Chinese victory would be a Pyrrhic victory. They wouldn't be able to do anything with a win over Britain.

Russia: They are hardly a military power nowadays. A two-bit military power could give them all kinds of problems.

United States: They have the best chance to defeat Britain in a war. However, the same things that led to several American naval victories in the War of 1812 (British-American War to those of you across the pond) would likely lead to several British victories over American ships (like the USS Constitution's). Namely, quality, seamanship, and just plain determination. The U.S. would probably win, but it'd be a lot harder than people think.]

[OOC: Whats going on? Dimmimar hasnt responded at all. ??]

Secret IC to Kriegorgrad

In the event of limited warfare with Dimmimar, the Empire of Layarteb could provide military aide in the form of weaponry and money. As per the RWC you recieve a 15% discount. Additionally, all debts are held off until after the war. Buy now; pay later. We cannot get directly involved in any conflict outside of our borders unless it directly affects us but indirectly we can do whatever we please. Arms and money can be delivered via Atlantic Ocean through Layartebian merchant transports, marked civilian.

The Emperor of Layarteb

Earth II Forums? Really, where?

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php