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Timiocato (PPA) - Seven of the world's most wanted and hated Islamic fundamentalist killers that were captured in Il Monterio three days ago were executed by pull-chamber at a Timiocato prison today. During interrogation, the seven claimed responsibility for a subway bombing in the Pacitalian city of Amita in 1998 and the recent bomb explosions in Il Monterio, in which they said they collaborated with the Pacitalian domestic terrorist group GLNP. As well, they claimed responsibility for over 90 other attacks in Pacitalia and worldwide over the past decade.

A pull-chamber is a relatively new method of execution that strays away from the conventional method of death by electric chair, lethal injection or firing squad. Instead, metal clamps attach to the head, arms and legs and pull them away from the body with a hydraulic pump, until they separate from the torso. The process takes about 2 hours on the average person and causes excruciating pain to the convict. Afterward, the remains are put in a built-in cremator.

Coincidentally, today was also the day that Pacitalian Prime Minister Timothy Ell and the Minister of Religion and Spirituality, Cardinal Alfredo Battistini, announced an outright ban on the practice, following and study of Islam inside Pacitalian boundaries.

"These extremists are what have caused us to enact the ban," Ell said at a press conference today. "It is unfortunate that the actions of a minutely-sized group result in restriction of freedom for over half a million Pacitalians."

The ban is not temporary.

"Oh, we'll keep this enacted so long as these people are still trying to bring down the values of the Pacitalian peoples," Cardinal Battistini later added. "We are starting an assimilation program to convert any Muslims in Pacitalia to one of the three major forms of Christianity in Pacitalia - their choice, of course. As the Prime Minister aptly stated, it's unfortunate we have to do this to so many people, but these fundamentalists should think about their actions before they follow their plans."

The PM and MORAS apologized to the Islamic people for the inconvenience and promptly returned to the PMR.

As we speak, mosques and shrines are being taped off and boarded up all across Pacitalia.

More to come.

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IMHO, the ideas of the Islamic extremists and actual Muslims are mostly separate.

the Imperial Republic of Skittletopia extends and invitation for a limited (100,000) number of Muslim PROFFESIONALS as defined below: -

Military Officers
Pilots
Police Officers
Schoolteachers and other members of the teaching professions
Doctors
Engineers

As well as anyone with a qualification equivalent to PhD

to be granted the rights and privaleges of Full Skittletopian citizens AFTER full police vetting and background checks.

the Minister for Immigration requests Pacitalia's full co-operation in allowing these citizens currently awaiting the results of Skittletopian immigration rights to go about their business unabaited by the Pacitalian government (to clarify, to be excempted from assimilation into Christianity)

The Taldaani Immigration Office would like to offer Muslims, or anyone else for that matter, the chance to emigrate to our nation. Taldaan is renowned for it's human rights, freedom, and beautiful scenery. Anyone wishing to live in our great nation may, with no qualifications required. You can acquire a visa by visiting our website, phone, fax, telegram, letter, or simply ask any Taldaani Immigration Officials in your country. We will take as many of you as want to come, and will welcome you with traditional Taldaani hospitality.

Taldaani Immigration Office

Same here.

Unfortunately, we will not allow any Muslims to leave Pacitalia for the time being, just to be certain they are not linked to or are terrorists. We do appreciate the interest in giving these people civil rights.

Official Statement of Condemnation

You are condemned. What a shame.

The Emperor Yahya I of Roma Islamica, King of the Romans, Khalifa of the Muslims, Archduke of Anatolia, Duke of Crimea, and Earl of Antioch and Constantinople, among other things in his many Dominions, is extremely angered by Pacitalia's ban on the practice of Pure Monotheism, Al-Islam.

If the ban is not lifted, there will be no choice but for Roma Islamica, and its many dominions and allies, to declare war on Pacitalia. This is a complete breech of civil rights. Christians and other non-Muslims have lived for millenia in our great empire in peace and harmony with us, with Christian terrorists only occasionally causing mischief. We don't hold a few "Christians" responsible for all of them, so we expect the same in return. If the ban on Islam is not lifted, war WILL BE declared.

On a personal note, look at our empire. It is twice the size of yours, economically successful, and has the consent of rule by the people. It would be senseless to go to war with us, so I suggest you shape up.

The Principality of Darun stands by Pacitalia's right to govern itself and pass its own administrative civil laws.

When asked about the terrorist nation "Roma Islamica's" threats, Parliament spokesperson David Rergan simply said, "We'll stand by Pacitalia if need be. These people are the laughing stock of the entire world already - hoping to prove that Islam isn't violent or expansive by threatening to use its imperial might by invading a country for making civil decisions."

Fortunately, Celtlund does not have this problem and you may consider adopting what we do here. I think it would prevent future incidents. First of all, we have only two religions in the country, Druidism and Christianity. All other religions are banned. Both religions are taught in school starting in first grade through high school. Upon completion of high school, students are free to choose either religion as their official religion.
Immigration is also strictly controlled. The only individuals that can become citizens of Celtlund are those who can prove their Celtic heritage, accept either Druidism or Christianity as their official religion, and swear allegiance to the Ard Re of Celtlund. Sorry, there is no such thing as Political Asylum here. A firing squad is our only method of execution but executions are very rare here.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

If the ban is not lifted, there will be no choice but for Roma Islamica, and its many dominions and allies, to declare war on Pacitalia. If the ban on Islam is not lifted, war WILL BE declared.

On a personal note, look at our empire. It is twice the size of yours, economically successful, and has the consent of rule by the people. It would be senseless to go to war with us, so I suggest you shape up.

If Roma Islamica declares war on Pacitalia, Cletlund will declare war on Roma Islamica.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

The Principality of Darun stands by Pacitalia's right to govern itself and pass its own administrative civil laws.

When asked about the terrorist nation "Roma Islamica's" threats, Parliament spokesperson David Rergan simply said, "We'll stand by Pacitalia if need be. These people are the laughing stock of the entire world already - hoping to prove that Islam isn't violent or expansive by threatening to use its imperial might by invading a country for making civil decisions."

Considering that the Principality of Darun has no might to speak of, it's statements are taken with a grain of salt. This is no terrorist nation. Terrorist nations have no might except with suicide bombers and rogue gun fighters. This is a large, legitimate empire, with a real role on the internation scene. Unlike Darun, with a population of a mere 92 million, and a horrible reputation for a lack of civil rights and political freedoms. Citizens in Roma Islamica enjoy the benefits of social equality, along with Excellent Political Freedoms and Civil Rights, and a Frightening Economy to boot. Citizens of Roma Islamica enjoy these benefits, and will not stand by to allow their Muslim brothers and sisters to be oppressed. Darun can be taken out in a mere day, there is not even a need to declare war. You just show your ignorance and stupidity when you label people based on their religions, which you don't even understand. This is no civil decision. Freedom of Religion is an inalienable right, found even in most countries you label as "terrorist", though apparently not in the "lands of the free". God, I love it when Hypocracy is exposed. Alhamdulillah!

If Roma Islamica declares war on Pacitalia, Cletlund will declare war on Roma Islamica.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

Well, Celtlund, if that's the case, I'll offer you a bit of advice. Look at your nation, then look at mine. You might find yourself just a bit in over your head.

The Democratic Imperium and her Commonwealth is watching these events unfold...

The Emperor Yahya I of Roma Islamica, King of the Romans, Khalifa of the Muslims, Archduke of Anatolia, Duke of Crimea, and Earl of Antioch and Constantinople, among other things in his many Dominions, is extremely angered by Pacitalia's ban on the practice of Pure Monotheism, Al-Islam.

If the ban is not lifted, there will be no choice but for Roma Islamica, and its many dominions and allies, to declare war on Pacitalia. This is a complete breech of civil rights. Christians and other non-Muslims have lived for millenia in our great empire in peace and harmony with us, with Christian terrorists only occasionally causing mischief. We don't hold a few "Christians" responsible for all of them, so we expect the same in return. If the ban on Islam is not lifted, war WILL BE declared.

On a personal note, look at our empire. It is twice the size of yours, economically successful, and has the consent of rule by the people. It would be senseless to go to war with us, so I suggest you shape up.

Ravea stands by Roma Islamica on this matter, although it is undecided on wether military actions will follow. Let your people practice whatever religion they feel free to, or let other nations take them for you. Ravea considers Pacitalia a Dictatorship for the time being.

Darun is not intimidated by the inherint threats of those who will preach freedom on one hand, and then threaten to use force to remove those of other nations on the other.

How dare you prevent the people of your country from worshiping the one God which is Allah and Muhammed(PBUH) his messenger! This is a terrible act of oppresion on the part of your country! I ask for all Muslims to take part in a jihad against these infidels!

Secret message sent to Ismira's spies in Pacitalia: You soon will get shipments of prayer rugs/prayer beads. Make sure these are distributed to the Muslims in this oppresive nation.

Darun is not intimidated by the inherint threats of those who will preach freedom on one hand, and then threaten to use force to remove those of other nations on the other.

They are called inalienable rights for a reason. No nation has the right to take them, and once they are taken, force by the oppressed is allowed. Read the United States Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Religion is inalienable, and it falls under "Pursuit of Happiness". This country has failed to allow some of its citizens, our fellow Muslims, their happiness, or even the right to leave when these are taken. The oppressive government doesn't have freedom, they are there to protect the rights of all their citizens. There is no hypocracy on my part; there is just a desperate attempt for you to try to show it, because you have nothing left.

I do not advocate the use of terrorism, however, if the Muslims are not either allowed to leave soon, or stay and practice their religion, LEGITIMATE WAR will be declared. I ask Ismira to join me in this legitimate war to free our brothers, but all war conventions must be followed. This is a fair war, and should not be considered a Jihad. We are not fighting a Holy War, we are fighting a war to simply preserve the freedoms of a truly oppressed group, not allowed to practice their faith, or leave the place that oppresses them. They want our help, so they have it. Every nation, whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, Pagan, etc., should stand up and fight for freedom!

Ismira is an Islamic country so here we consider wars against oppresion Jihads but yes I will fight for the children of Allah with you.

The Republic of Nacadoches on behalf of the Freethinker Collective with an aggregate population in excess of six billion citizens officially deplores the actions of Pacitalia.

However, the Collective upholds the right of any nation to govern itself as it sees fit and rejects the right of any other nation to wage war based on the internal policies of another.

Therefore, in the event of any declaration of war against Pacitalia based on its internal governance the Freethinker collective offers its support to Pacitalia.

There are too many islamic seperatist groups out there that if we all gave them a homeland that they wanted the world would be divided like a jigsaw puzzle. My citizens need only to look to one god to give them food, jobs and the right to exist.

The Republic of Nacadoches on behalf of the Freethinker Collective with an aggregate population in excess of six billion citizens officially deplores the actions of Pacitalia.

Excuse me.....you have a population of 929 million. What are you talking about. We are going by real figures here.

The Muslims of this land must fight for their rights before we have any right to do any thing. They must attack their government

Galadisian Press ((GPA)) Official Release


Earlier today Le Senat passed a proposal condemning the actions of the nation of Pacitalia. With a vote of 82 for 10 against and 8 abstentions the following proposal was passed:


Regretting, that the nation of Pacitalia has been under the attack of terrorists

Noting with deep concern, that Pacitalia has banned the practice of Islam within their borders

Outraged, that Muslims are being forced to convert to Christianity

Seeing, this action as nothing more than an attempt to promote Christianity

Beleiving, that despite the words of Pacitalia that their actions were not taken with the thought of national security in mind

Regretting, that as Pacitalia is not a member of the United Nations that there is no international law ofr this body to invoke

Le Senat Imperiale de Caras Galadon fait:

Strongly Condemns the actions of the nation of Pacitalia

Urges that the Premeir take immediate action such as he sees fit



Just minutes after this proposal was passed a representative from the office of the Premeir delivered an official video of HPEH James the Sorta-Elven delivering a speach on the matter.



Friends and usurpers of the peace.I implore you to not take hasty action. In such times furhter violence and bloodshed would only serve to further intensify a situation that has already accelerated too far. I would urge the nation of Roma Islamica to not declare war rashly or without due planning. As a member of the United Nations we must remind you that all wars in the name of religion are to be deplored. We too feel strongly against the actions of Pacitalia but we admit that there is nothing we can do under the current state of international law. As a sovereign state outside of the bounds of United Nations law Pacitalia is free to make any law as it sees fit for itself.

With that said I urge the nation of Pacitalia to consider carefully their actions. Outlawing Islam is, one, not likely to solve your problem with terrorists, and two, likely to alienate a large portion of you population away from your government, even among those who are not of the Islamic faith. I would also declare my agreement with Le Senat that the actions of your government are nothing but a thinly and badly vieled attempt to bolster Christianity in your nation at the expense of other religions. I am deeply saddened that such a small minority continues to taint the name of Christianity in the same way that a small sect of Islam taints its name as well.

I urge that nations approach each other with a calm atmosphere of diplomacy to reach a solution that is mutually agreable. Perhaps the leaders of the nation of Pacitalia would agree to stop the forced indoctrination into Christianity and enter into a series of talks aimed at establishing a system whereby Muslims in your nation could be cleared of being involved with terrorists and safely removed to a better nation.



Public response has been spattered and generally critical of the stance of the Premeir. Bill Gruffy of the "Catholics Now" political party stated that, "We applaud the nation of Pacitalia in their banning of the murderous rampagers and barbarians. Perhaps if we could do such a thing in our own country we wouldn't have such a blockheaded teenager as our Premeir." Turin Afelas of the "Atheists Against the Control of Religion" was critical of Premeir Sorta-Elven for a different reason, "I don't beleive he has gone far enough. This blatant attempt at indoctrination into the bloodiest and most vile of all religions calls for nothing short of a declaration of war! I'm proud to say that our representative in Le Senat voted against this weak-willed frog of a Premeir.

At this time we have received no comment from more moderate main-stream groups.

Crystal Atwood
Reporting from Le Senat
Caras Galadhon

Well, Celtlund, if that's the case, I'll offer you a bit of advice. Look at your nation, then look at mine. You might find yourself just a bit in over your head.

I took your advice and looked at your nation. Kind of reminds me of the schoolyard bully. Might is not always right. We have a right to rule our nations as we see fit, to do what what is in the best interest of our people and our allies and not be intimidated by some theocratic nation.
Again, we will assist Pacitalia and go to war with you if necessary. We will also ask all our Celtic allies to join us in this noble cause.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

Roma Islamica is a member of the United Nations. As such, it cannot declare war on another nation that is not threatening it or any other nation. The issue at hand is strictly an internal matter. Therefore, if Roma Islamica declares war on Pacitalia it will be in violation of the United Nations charter.

Additionally, freedom of religion as outlined in the Constitution of the United States is only a “right” for citizens of the U.S. or persons living in the U.S.

It is obvious the situation is deteriorating rapidly. My defense minister the Chief of the Tuatha De Dannan tribe has informed me he has placed our military on category II alert and he is calling up the reserves.
We ask Roma Islamica and all other nations not to interfere with the internal matters of another country. We urge you to stand down and allow Pacitalia to do what it must to protect its citizens.

The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

Secret message to Ismiri spies in Pacitalia: You soon will recieve more shipments of The Holy Qu'ran, prayer rugs, prayer beads, and 750,000 AK-47's and neccesary ammunition. Please be ready to distribute these weapons to our Muslim brothers and sisters in this oppresive country.

Official Telegram
To:Office of the Prime Minister of Pacitalia
From:Sultan Mohammed bin Al Deeb of the Nomadic Peoples of Bedou
"To my most esteemed collegue,
I, the Sultan Mohammed bin Al Deeb, wish to offer, at the expense of my nation.
To remove any Muslims willing to peacful leave your nation.
I completely understand the reaction to terrorist attacks on your citizens and the desire to neutralize the threat.
I commend you for not repsonding with knee-jerk reaction policy by condemning every Muslim to death or Exile.
It is because of the coolheaded response of the Pacitalia leadership that I offer sanctuary to any Muslim within your borders.
A single vessel can be dispatched to begin the process.
If we begin now, the complete removal should take only a few weeks.
I hope you will consider this alternative to re-education.
Deepest respects
Sultan Mohammed bin Al Deeb."

The UN Punjabi States has had enough of muslim seperatism and will stand by Pacitalia. The UN Punjabi States will send 150 000 of its hounourary KHALSA guard to Pacitalia. These fearless warriors will be ready to fight and give their lives on any command by their Cheif And Commander Air Cheif Marshall Singh. A. The guard will happily work with Pacitialia's Defese Forces to eliminate any oppressors. They will be a vital source to Pacitalia because of their general hate for all Muslims, because of the atrocious raids and problems that musilms caused in the UN Punjabi States, when they often invaded from the North and took our women and murdered our children and looted our homes. This was constant until a new pact was formed the KHALSA, these brave men took out any trace of Muslims and have now are The UN Punjabi States best trained soldiers. To the leader of Pacitalia The Empire of The UN Punjabi States offers 150 000 of our best troops at your disposal, you may use them as you wish to deal with the oppressors.

THE LEADER OF THE EMPIRE OF THE UN PUNJABI STATES
AIR CHEIF MARSHALL Singh.A
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

URGENT FOX NEWS ALERT 11/14/04
Hello, this is Brit Hum reporting, and we have just received notice of a press conference started by the Emperor of Armandian Cheese. Let's listen in.

Holy Emperor of Armandian Cheese, Armand
People of Armandian Cheese, I must inform you of the sad recent events in the nation of Pacetalia. Terrorism has risen there drastically, and the nation has done what our nation did so long ago: banned opposition religions. All foes of the state must be crushed into submission, and that includes anyone who dares to have different beliefs than the glorious leader. Therefore, we have formally pledged our support to this embattled nation, which has been threatened by large, oppressive powers. Although seperately, we are weaker than these nation, together, we shall prevail. Therefore, I call upon the nations of the world to join a Coalition of the Willing, and defend the right to religious intolerance!

Roma Islamica and Ravea: Do not concern yourself with our domestic issues. It is none of your business how we run our government. We do, however, respect your comments. We also do not recognize the jurisdiction of any civil rights documents from the United States, and being a long-standing member I think you already know that it's best to leave real-life countries out of RP discussions.

Ismira: Thanks to your meddling, all Muslims in Pacitalia may be rounded up and taken away. If you'll notice, we are only oppressive to those who do not display concern for the safety of our people. Back off.

Praetonia: We regret you do not share our stance on this issue, and although you are an ally of our ally, Sarzonia; we respect your decision to condemn us and understand why you have. However, you must understand that to stop something small, something big may have to happen. In this case, it's the banning of Islam. Who knows? The ban may indeed end up being temporary.

UN Punjabi States, Freethinker Collective (Nacadoches), Celtlund, Armandian Cheese, Darun: Thank you for your support. It's nice to see our country is not alone in our judgment.

Caras Galadhon: We appreciate the support of a group of people in your nation.

Bedou: Thank you, you have our interest.

Skittletopia: Thank you for your interest as well, however, only about 2% of Muslims in Pacitalia are qualified for what you deem "professional". Many, if not the majority, are unemployed and contribute a sizeable amount to the total national unemployment rate.

SglSingle as Single: Thank you for your enlightening wisdom in this matter.

TO: President of Pacitalia
FROM: Foreign Ambassador of Armandian Cheese, Borislave Petrov the 2nd

Sir,
We have pledged our support, but have been left hanging so far. Are you planning any action that would require our aid?

OOC: Are you planning to take this thread anywhere? Do you have some story in mind?

Roma Islamica and Ravea: Do not concern yourself with our domestic issues. It is none of your business how we run our government. We do, however, respect your comments. We also do not recognize the jurisdiction of any civil rights documents from the United States, and being a long-standing member I think you already know that it's best to leave real-life countries out of RP discussions.

Ismira: Thanks to your meddling, all Muslims in Pacitalia may be rounded up and taken away. If you'll notice, we are only oppressive to those who do not display concern for the safety of our people. Back off.

Praetonia: We regret you do not share our stance on this issue, and although you are an ally of our ally, Sarzonia; we respect your decision to condemn us and understand why you have. However, you must understand that to stop something small, something big may have to happen. In this case, it's the banning of Islam. Who knows? The ban may indeed end up being temporary.

UN Punjabi States, Freethinker Collective (Nacadoches), Celtlund, Armandian Cheese, Darun: Thank you for your support. It's nice to see our country is not alone in our judgment.

Caras Galadhon: We appreciate the support of a group of people in your nation.

Bedou: Thank you, you have our interest.

Skittletopia: Thank you for your interest as well, however, only about 2% of Muslims in Pacitalia are qualified for what you deem "professional". Many, if not the majority, are unemployed and contribute a sizeable amount to the total national unemployment rate.

SglSingle as Single: Thank you for your enlightening wisdom in this matter.

You are an idiot. I realize these figures don't reflect real life, however, just so you know, most Muslims in non-Muslim countries are professionals, and contribute quite a bit to the economies of the nations in which they reside. It seems you have a serious bias against Muslims, and you need your head examened. Only a loser would take rp this far, going so far as to target Muslims in particular, and then saying they are a drain on soceity. And no one will back off just because you want them to. I have a strong nation, so being rude won't get you anywhere.

OoC: Roma Islamica its Pacitalia's nation and what he says goes in his nation.

IC:
The Empire of Dumpsterdam does not support nor does it condem your actions in banning the muslim believe, it is your nations right to govern itself.

But should any nations, especialy Roma Islamica try to intervere then send our foreign department a message and we will come to your aid alongside the rest of the RWC.

Erik Solar,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Noble friend Pacitalia, Shinbreakers will stand by your side in any war, and this is no different. No nation has the right to tell you how to govern your own nation. If military action by certain extremists is taken against you, the Shinbreaker Armed Forces will mobilise in its entirety to aid you. As we now hold a Delegate position in our region, we can and will attempt to bring certain allied nations also in your support.

Maximus Quinteros III, envoy to the President, and Head of Shinbreaker Defence Program

Roma Islamica: Your hypocrisy is refreshing, I must say. For you to tell me that I am being rude, while you name-call and mud-sling, is just crazy, in my opinion. If you choose to lower yourself to insulting me, you deserve to be ignored. Telling somebody to back off is different than being rude - it's a warning. Using the "schoolyard bully" tactic will not work on me, either. Seeing as I have a fair bit of support here, and the support of my allies and of SEATO, you might think twice before starting an unnecessary war.

Oh, and just so you know, the Muslims in Pacitalia are mostly nomadic or purposefully old-fashioned and mostly very old or very young, hence the reason the % figure I gave is so low.

Dumpsterdam: Thank you for your support, and we understand your position on this unfolding event.

Shinbreakers: We thank our ally so greatly for their support. Your words are of great value to us.

Armandian Cheese: I'd prefer not to start a war over this, as it's pretty pointless for R.I. to do so, but if they do attack us, we'll just go from there.

OOC:Roma Islamica, relax-it is an RP. He used stereotypes, I understand being offended but this isnt the place to get offended, its pretend.
I RP an Islamic nation- you saw my response to him, I dont know that he really believes the stereotypes he is RPing-more to the point-I dont care.
I am RiPping the issue.
Dont let it bother you--deep breath--it is just a game. RP good Muslims/Thats what I do.
IC:
The Sultan Mohammed bin Al Deeb awaits the response from the most compassionate government of Pacitalia.
Our naval forces are your disposal to remove the remaing Muslims from you nation.
As stated before we understand the desire for security.

Roma Islamica: Your hypocrisy is refreshing, I must say. For you to tell me that I am being rude, while you name-call and mud-sling, is just crazy, in my opinion. If you choose to lower yourself to insulting me, you deserve to be ignored. Telling somebody to back off is different than being rude - it's a warning. Using the "schoolyard bully" tactic will not work on me, either. Seeing as I have a fair bit of support here, and the support of my allies and of SEATO, you might think twice before starting an unnecessary war.

I think the polls speak for how much support you have. It just shows that the racist, prejudice nations tend to be a bit more irrational and like to show it. Wow....irrational....racist nations? Really? That's so odd....

The Orbital and Lunar Colonies of Luna I will finance surgical strikes and limited military engadgments - we will also provide 525 fighter/bombers and 130 Heavy Gun/Drop ships for the transportation and heavy fire support of mobile armour units.

We believe the opression of many because of the irresponsible actions of few extremist is a half-assed manner of conducting a just investigation and application of natural law - you trample and spit on the free inherent civil, human rights of all on this planet and must be checked.

It just shows that the racist, prejudice nations tend to be a bit more irrational and like to show it. Wow....irrational....racist nations? Really? That's so odd....

Roma Islamica, I think you need to cool down a little here and reflect on the "prejudice" of some Islamic nations. Can Christians, Buddhists, and Zoroastrians practice their religion freely in all Islamic nations? The answer is NO. Non-Muslims are not allowed to practice their religion in some Islamic states. So, what is the difference here? Is it the fact that a non- Islamic state has forbidden the practice of that religion in its sovereign territory? If it is OK for an Islamic state to ban religions other than Islam, why isn’t it OK for a non-Islamic state to ban Islam?

My country is Islamic and as long as a new religious group signs a document that says Allah is God and Muhammed(PBUH) is His messenger and they preach about this, then they can preach whatever they want about Jesus or Buddha or Zoroaster. To ban people from practicing the one true religion is a sin and is the work of shataan. That is why the Muslims of Pacitilia must jihad against this oppressive system.

My country is Islamic and as long as a new religious group signs a document that says Allah is God and Muhammed(PBUH) is His messenger and they preach about this, then they can preach whatever they want about Jesus or Buddha or Zoroaster. To ban people from practicing the one true religion is a sin and is the work of shataan. That is why the Muslims of Pacitilia must jihad against this oppressive system.

If you could spell my country's name right, I might listen to you.

Roma Islamica, I think you need to cool down a little here and reflect on the "prejudice" of some Islamic nations. Can Christians, Buddhists, and Zoroastrians practice their religion freely in all Islamic nations? The answer is NO. Non-Muslims are not allowed to practice their religion in some Islamic states. So, what is the difference here? Is it the fact that a non- Islamic state has forbidden the practice of that religion in its sovereign territory? If it is OK for an Islamic state to ban religions other than Islam, why isn’t it OK for a non-Islamic state to ban Islam?

You're right, they can't in ALL. But they can in many. No one said this was a good thing to do. In fact, I have stated that my nation allows for Freedom of Religion. I also said that all nations, whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, etc. should stand up against this injustice, because it infringes upon the inalienable rights of all human beings, whether certain countries recognize these rights or not. It's not like I'm being the hypocrit, saying non-Muslims shouldn't be able to practice, but Muslims should. Muslims believe, whether or not certain Muslim countries recognize this themselves, that there is no compulsion in religion. It says so in the Qur'an. Just because one country does a certain thing, doesn't mean others should do the same. Show me a Muslim country declaring that it bans Christians or any others from practicing their religions, and I will not hesitate to go to war with them either unless they lift this ban, because it's unIslamic. Ismira is also wrong about making the groups declare the there is one God and Muhammad (pbuh) is his prophet, because there is no compulsion in religion.

Anyway, RI, the point is, I respect your stance and appreciate that you want to stand up for the people of Islam, no matter where they live on this planet, but honestly, Celtlund's got a really good point.

OOC: Are you Muslim IRL?

RI, in the Holy Empire Of Shinbreakers all religions are free to worship, but if factions from any religion, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism or whatever commited a terrorist act on their behalf the entire religion would be treated to a nice dose of cleansing, as my noble friend Pacitalia has done. I believe he has not done this meaning any offence or with any predjudice, but is merely defending the lives and welfare of his people, and others, namely you, should not criticise him for that.

OOC: If you are Muslim IRL, this is merely fictional and no offence is meant in any way whatsoever

OCC: Yes I am Muslim IRL.

My country is Islamic and as long as a new religious group signs a document that says Allah is God and Muhammed(PBUH) is His messenger and they preach about this, then they can preach whatever they want about Jesus or Buddha or Zoroaster. To ban people from practicing the one true religion is a sin and is the work of shataan. That is why the Muslims of Pacitilia must jihad against this oppressive system.

You have affectively banned other religions. Several religions would not sign a document such as you described as it is against their religion. You have done what you accuse others of doing.

Would you be willing to sign a document that says all the Druid Gods are True Gods and you recognize Jesus as the Son of God in order to practice your religion in Celtlund? I think not as it would be against your religion to do so.

As the situation deteriorates, the Chief of the Tuatha De Dannan has just informed me the Amy of Celtlund is in the process of training 5,000 additional "war falcons." These magnificent creatures are especially trained to pull out the eyes of enemy soldiers on the battlefield.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

Whereas the peoples and government of Roma Islamica are members of a religion that believes in peace and brotherhood, and whereas the people of Pacitalia have banned the practice of that religion within the borders of its sovereign nation; and whereas this action has resulted in an increased international tension which could result in war between those nations and their allies; the Ard Re of Celtlund, the exalted Sean, proposes the following:
1. Roma Islamica sends an official apology for threatening war to Pacitalia.
2. Roma Islamica agrees to accept all affected Pacitalia citizens, who are not actively engaged in terrorism, and pledges not to let them outside the borders of Roma Islamica for a period of 10 (ten) years.
3. Pacitalia immediately cease and desist in their efforts to convert the subject citizens to any other religion.
4. Pacitalia agrees to pay all relocation costs and a sum of 1,000 U.S. dollars in reparations to each affected individual.
The Ard Re of Celtlund strongly urges both parties to accept the terms of this proposal to save the lives of their citizens, the lives of the citizens of their allies, and the resources of all involved parties.
The Secretary of State of Celtlund
Dorf

The Chief Druid will officiate at a sacrifice tonight and the Arch Bishop of the Christians will conduct prayer services this evening to ask the appropriate God(s) to give guidance to all parties involved to end this dispute.

Do not doubt that Celtlund continues to support Pacitalia if it is unjustly invaded by any other nation. If any nation declares war on Pacitalia, we will declare war on that nation. However, we prefer to settle this matter in a peaceful manner.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

Okay, Ard Re Sean, I like where you're taking this peace settlement. But I must add #3 has already been taken care of, we stopped re-educating Muslims. I don't think #2 is necessary, that's just restricting the people's freedoms more (by revoking their freedom to travel). #4 also is not necessary, I'm working on an optional relocation contingency plan with the people and government of Bedou.

Okay, Ard Re Sean, I like where you're taking this peace settlement. But I must add #3 has already been taken care of, we stopped re-educating Muslims. I don't think #2 is necessary, that's just restricting the people's freedoms more (by revoking their freedom to travel). #4 also is not necessary, I'm working on an optional relocation contingency plan with the people and government of Bedou.

Roma Islamica, we await your reply.
The Ard Re of Celtlund
Sean

May we also add that the ban on Islam may be lifted by the end of the year.

Draft Negotiation Settlement
for the ban on Islam in the Republic of Pacitalia
which has caused minor political and diplomatic
tensions between that nation and the nations of
Roma Islamica, Ismira and, to a lesser extent, Ravea

Concessions - Pacitalia
1. Pacitalia lifts the ban on Islam within 90 days
2. Pacitalia ends not most, but all re-education of Islamic citizens inside their boundaries
3. Pacitalia gives Muslims a fair and free opportunity to relocate to a pro-Islamic nation of their choice
4. More specifically, Pacitalia gives Muslims the option to relocate to The Nomadic Peoples of Bedou, which, despite its status as a Corrupt Dictatorship, is pro-Islamic, a safe place for Muslims and has openly declared its readiness to accept Islamo-Pacitalian migrants
5. Pacitalia apologizes for the ban, which has caused offence or disenfranchisement to the many Islamic people of Pacitalia

Concessions - Roma Islamica and its supporting nations
1. Roma Islamica apologizes for declaring war on Pacitalia
2. Ravea apologizes for supporting Roma Islamica's unnecessary declaration
3. Ismira pays Pacitalia $2,000,000 USD of reparations for willingly and knowingly supplying weapons to the Islamic peoples of Pacitalia and encouraging them to start civil war in that country
4. Roma Islamica pays Pacitalia $1,200 USD per person if they wish to accept any Muslim migrants from Pacitalia
5. All three nations sign a non-aggression pact with Pacitalia to prevent further conflicts, not only those that are based on or partially on religion.

All four nations have seventy-two hours to respond to this settlement and if any negotiations are to be made, should reply in twenty-four hours.

We support Pacitalia. (Yes, that's I I wrote)

May we also add that the ban on Islam may be lifted by the end of the year.

Draft Negotiation Settlement
for the ban on Islam in the Republic of Pacitalia
which has caused minor political and diplomatic
tensions between that nation and the nations of
Roma Islamica, Ismira and, to a lesser extent, Ravea

Concessions - Pacitalia
1. Pacitalia lifts the ban on Islam within 90 days
2. Pacitalia ends not most, but all re-education of Islamic citizens inside their boundaries
3. Pacitalia gives Muslims a fair and free opportunity to relocate to a pro-Islamic nation of their choice
4. More specifically, Pacitalia gives Muslims the option to relocate to The Nomadic Peoples of Bedou, which, despite its status as a Corrupt Dictatorship, is pro-Islamic, a safe place for Muslims and has openly declared its readiness to accept Islamo-Pacitalian migrants
5. Pacitalia apologizes for the ban, which has caused offence or disenfranchisement to the many Islamic people of Pacitalia

Concessions - Roma Islamica and its supporting nations
1. Roma Islamica apologizes for declaring war on Pacitalia
2. Ravea apologizes for supporting Roma Islamica's unnecessary declaration
3. Ismira pays Pacitalia $2,000,000 USD of reparations for willingly and knowingly supplying weapons to the Islamic peoples of Pacitalia and encouraging them to start civil war in that country
4. Roma Islamica pays Pacitalia $1,200 USD per person if they wish to accept any Muslim migrants from Pacitalia
5. All three nations sign a non-aggression pact with Pacitalia to prevent further conflicts, not only those that are based on or partially on religion.

All four nations have seventy-two hours to respond to this settlement and if any negotiations are to be made, should reply in twenty-four hours.

Roma Islamica agrees to all of the following, with an acception:

#4 - Roma Islamica will not pay to relocate citizens. The government of Pacitalia must pay for the relocation of its Muslim population, if they wish to leave. They are tax paying citizens of Pacitalia, what they have paid to a government which has recently oppressed them, and caused them to want to leave should cover the costs, if they so desire to move to Roma Islamica or any other nation.

Roma Islamica will apologize for threatening war on Pacitalia, and will agree to a non-agression pact, and every other proposition. However, let it be known that Roma Islamica's threat was not unnecessary at the time; People were being oppressed; People who did nothing, and who were being punished because of their religion. If some black men, or asian men, or white men or whatever, incited terrorism, would you punish all within a race? I think not. Recognize this fact, and you have a deal.

Yes, that fact has been recognized - hence my plan to lift the moratorium on the practice and study of Islam.

Okay, your #4 concession can be removed without a problem.

OOC: We can RP the non-aggression pact signing in another topic but we should wait for Ravea and Ismira to acknowledge this agreement.

(P.S.: Thanks TGSR :))

BREAKING STORY: Celtlund News Network International. CNNI has just learned that 2,500 “war falcons” being trained by our military for a possible war with Roma Islamica have literally “flown the coop” in a tragic accident at the military training headquarters.
A war stallion went berserk and crashed into the building housing the birds allowing 2,500 of these fearsome “war machines” to escape. Fortunately, trainers were able to contain the reaming Falcons.
The Defense Minister has been quoted as saying, “This is a tragic incident with international repercussions.”
These magnificent fighting birds are specially trained to peck out the eyes of any person wearing a military uniform that is not the uniform of the Celtlund military or one of its allies. Each one of these fouls has the capability to peck out the eyes of at least 150 to 2000 enemy soldiers before it can be killed. In the words of the Ard Re, “It is an awesome fighting machine.”
These birds were last seen heading toward the nation of Roma Islamica.
In a letter to the leader of Roma Islamica, the Ard Re stated, “This is a truly unfortunate incident especially in light of the recent peace negotiations. However, these magnificent fighting birds cannot be stopped. I would suggest that any leaders in your nation that wear military uniform and all military personnel in your country immediately remove their uniforms. This is the only way to prevent attack by these noble and cunning birds.”
CNNI is anxiously awaiting the reaction of all nations involved in this dispute.

Ravea fully agrees to the non-aggression pact and would happily sign it. It is good to resolve conflicts peacefully rather than go to war.

May we also add that the ban on Islam may be lifted by the end of the year.

Draft Negotiation Settlement
for the ban on Islam in the Republic of Pacitalia
which has caused minor political and diplomatic
tensions between that nation and the nations of
Roma Islamica, Ismira and, to a lesser extent, Ravea

Concessions - Pacitalia
1. Pacitalia lifts the ban on Islam within 90 days
2. Pacitalia ends not most, but all re-education of Islamic citizens inside their boundaries
3. Pacitalia gives Muslims a fair and free opportunity to relocate to a pro-Islamic nation of their choice
4. More specifically, Pacitalia gives Muslims the option to relocate to The Nomadic Peoples of Bedou, which, despite its status as a Corrupt Dictatorship, is pro-Islamic, a safe place for Muslims and has openly declared its readiness to accept Islamo-Pacitalian migrants
5. Pacitalia apologizes for the ban, which has caused offence or disenfranchisement to the many Islamic people of Pacitalia

"Point One...Hmmmm, surprising, but very intelligent in the interests of peace.
Point Two, good, I was afraid they might not. That would have placed us in the unfortunate position of stopping them.
Point Three, make it known Bedou will evenly split this cost with any othe nation that will assist.
Point Four, at our expense they may relocate and petition for citizenship of the Bedou nation they choose.A UN designation, it means little." The Sultan speaks dismissing what many in his court claimed was a slight against the Bedou, and more specifically the Sultan himself.

"Yes Mohammed, A western misunderstanding of our ways.
However they show courtesy in apologizing for offence given, this is good."Imam Ali Beydoun, the Sultans relgious advisor, and closest friend, pointed to the fifth line of the Pacitalia side fo the Draft.

Concessions - Roma Islamica and its supporting nations
1. Roma Islamica apologizes for declaring war on Pacitalia
2. Ravea apologizes for supporting Roma Islamica's unnecessary declaration
3. Ismira pays Pacitalia $2,000,000 USD of reparations for willingly and knowingly supplying weapons to the Islamic peoples of Pacitalia and encouraging them to start civil war in that country
4. Roma Islamica pays Pacitalia $1,200 USD per person if they wish to accept any Muslim migrants from Pacitalia
5. All three nations sign a non-aggression pact with Pacitalia to prevent further conflicts, not only those that are based on or partially on religion.

All four nations have seventy-two hours to respond to this settlement and if any negotiations are to be made, should reply in twenty-four hours.
"I wish to offer assistance to Roma Islamica in the relocating of any Muslims."
Sultan Mohammed reviewed the Roma consessions.
"I knew you would, I will contact the clerics in Roma Islamica and let them know we will aid in relocation logistics and cost of Every Muslim who seeks it regardless of destination." Imam Beydoun rose and made for the door.
Sultan Mohammed made direct calls to the leaders of the involved nations to congratulate them on finding what is ultimatly a peaceful solution to an ugly problem.

We fully suport your actions and wish for the blueprints for the 'Pull Chamber".

Pacitalia, don't apolgize for your actions, its your nation, burn muslims if you like, don't let those UN nation force their policies into yournation, be strong, the Patriarch Emperor fully supports you, after all those other nations have no business in your internal affairs.

Pacitalia, don't apolgize for your actions, its your nation, burn muslims if you like, don't let those UN nation force their policies into yournation, be strong, the Patriarch Emperor fully supports you, after all those other nations have no business in your internal affairs.

We reached an agreement. Stay out of this. Peace is achieved, everyone is happy. Stop ruining it you impudent fool.

Thank you for your support, but we already agreed there's no place for Islamic policy in a Christian nation and vice versa.

Blueprints have been wired to your government, you can redirect them to your prisons chief or to whoever is most relevant to hold such prints.

Thank you for your support, but we already agreed there's no place for Islamic policy in a Christian nation and vice versa.

Blueprints have been wired to your government, you can redirect them to your prisons chief or to whoever is most relevant to hold such prints.

THank you very much for the prints, as a payment we will wire 1,000,000 Imperial Credits Aprox 1,500,000 USD. The device will be used for the exicutions of terrorist leaders, traitors, and some capture enemy heads of state.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE SULTANATE OF CHAUDHRY

SULTAN OMER would like to congratulate all nations involved in resolving this matter peacefully. Moreover the Sulatnatae of Chaudhry along with The Kingdom of Shujauddin, The Empire of I s l a m, The Sultanate of Junaydees, Borderlands of Ashioxiam, The Sultanate of Ammar Ch, The United States of The mominoon, The Empire of Salahaddin, The Free Land of Peace_full_ness, The Empire of Ammar Z, The Emirate of FazzX, The Kingdom of Element 108, The Holy Empire of Freeqness, The Republic of MoJam, The Republic of Rich Monkeys,The Holy Empire of Masterminds Land, The Republic of Adeel, The Democratic Republic of New Hassan, The Theocracy of Ihsaan and The Sultanate of Ullu Bata would like to extend our expertise and would like to re-educate all involved in this matter about Islam.

We would also like to point out that while we are all Islamic nations we do not bar anyone from practicing any religion so long as they dont hurt society as a whole. We have found no such religions that could be condemmed so far.

We hope you have a nice day
Peace be with you

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE SULTANATE OF CHAUDHRY

SULTAN OMER would like to congratulate all nations involved in resolving this matter peacefully. Moreover the Sulatnatae of Chaudhry along with The Kingdom of Shujauddin, The Empire of I s l a m, The Sultanate of Junaydees, Borderlands of Ashioxiam, The Sultanate of Ammar Ch, The United States of The mominoon, The Empire of Salahaddin, The Free Land of Peace_full_ness, The Empire of Ammar Z, The Emirate of FazzX, The Kingdom of Element 108, The Holy Empire of Freeqness, The Republic of MoJam, The Republic of Rich Monkeys,The Holy Empire of Masterminds Land, The Republic of Adeel, The Democratic Republic of New Hassan, The Theocracy of Ihsaan and The Sultanate of Ullu Bata would like to extend our expertise and would like to re-educate all involved in this matter about Islam.

We would also like to point out that while we are all Islamic nations we do not bar anyone from practicing any religion so long as they dont hurt society as a whole. We have found no such religions that could be condemmed so far.

We hope you have a nice day
Peace be with you


Any attempts to 're-educate' the Imperials and the Coalitionist Congress, will not be tolerated. Any breach of Imperial Space will result in war. We have our own internal affairs and any foreign involvement will lead to war. We are a free independant nation, and will not tolerate any foreign propaganda. Stay out of our internal affairs, and we will stay out of yours.

Signed~
Adina Sharsa
Junior Empress
Seunama Province

Enough. Your conflicts are separate from ours and we don't want to hear it. Make another topic if you need to.

So, let's see a final draft of our treaty. I would like to it show the nations back in my region who offered me military support (a bit too late I might add; they offered it after we were in negociations).

OOC: Sure thing. I'll get on that at home.

This is pathetic, bending into the ways of other nations. Independance is nowhere. Nations stand and be independant, do let others force you into a way of government or internal affairs, fight them, do what you have done before!

In response to the pathetic ways here, all muslims in the Sebecean outer territories shall be exicuted.

Be warned that if you do, I will bring the matter up with SEATO and we may choose to use force against you in response to your cruel idea.

IMHO, the ideas of the Islamic extremists and actual Muslims are mostly separate.
this is often lost on the stupid.

north star, as a supreme islamist state denounces those who kill and harm the muslim people

~Mular Vikram. minister of justice

Be warned that if you do, I will bring the matter up with SEATO and we may choose to use force against you in response to your cruel idea.

GO AHEAD, try us. We will do what we want in our own nation. THis is under OUR jursdiction, and any atempts to attack us, or do anything else will result in a swift, violent response, on your nation. A full battalion of Orbital Marines are in stand by, ready to exicute the 383,965 muslims males rounded up, and the decimation (killing every tenth person) of the women and children.

GO AHEAD, try us. We will do what we want in our own nation. THis is under OUR jursdiction, and any atempts to attack us, or do anything else will result in a swift, violent response, on your nation. A full battalion of Orbital Marines are in stand by, ready to exicute the 383,965 muslims males rounded up, and the decimation (killing every tenth person) of the women and children.

Roma Islamica wishes to upgrade the original treaty from a non-agression pact to an alliance. In the case of acceptance, Roma Islamica will come to the aid of Pacitalia in any event of attack by the rogue terrorist nation Seatian-Sebeceans.

Pacitalia, are you future tech?

Roma Islamica: Sounds good to me.

Setian-Sebeceans: You're free to do what you want, it is your own decision as you say, but be reasonable. The killing of almost 400,000 people for what looks like no reason at all is just unnecessary.

Bedou: No, we're RL Modern Tech. We're looking into future tech options though.

Commonwealth of Dougtopian States
Parliamentary Resolution 04-0019B (Amended)
Matter: The Execution and Persecution of Muslims in Pacitalia

The Parliament of the Dougtopian States

DECLARES that the use of the pull-chamber as a method for discharging the death penalty violates the universal human right of protection from cruel and barbaric punishment, and

RECOGNIZES that the actions of the Pacitalian government in the persecution and execution of Muslims is directly contradictory to UN Resolutions as well as the general principles of freedom that apply to all people, regardless of race, creed, color, or gender.

As such, the Parliament

CONDEMNS the actions of the Pacitalian government and finds them to be directly contradictory to universal rights to freedom,

ESTABLISHES that the Dougtopian Self-Defense Forces will not become involved unless the actions of Pacitalia directly threatens our national interests,

REQUESTS that the United Nations censure the Pacitalian government for gross human rights violations, and

REQUESTS that Pacitalia reconsider its actions in the eyes of the world.

So enacted by a margin of 196-0-4 by Parliament on this date, 17 November 2004, and signed by President Lord Admiral Douglas Charles, Dougtopian Maritime Self-Defense Force (Retired), President of the Commonwealth of Dougtopian States.

So amended on this date, 17 November 2004. Amendments or replacements are in italics.

Whoa, hold on, when did I murder Muslims? Reword that resolution, please. I don't remember killing any of them. Whatever you say is all fine and dandy, but unfortunately for you, I am not a member of the UN and therefore would neither care whether the United Nations censures me, nor do I recognize the jurisdiction of the UN, in summation.

And you don't have to worry, I don't think my actions will at all harm your nation.

Is the ban still in effect?

-Shah Khosru III

Whoa, hold on, when did I murder Muslims? Reword that resolution, please. I don't remember killing any of them. Whatever you say is all fine and dandy, but unfortunately for you, I am not a member of the UN and therefore would neither care whether the United Nations censures me, nor do I recognize the jurisdiction of the UN, in summation.

And you don't have to worry, I don't think my actions will at all harm your nation.

Make note: All believers in the religion of 'Islam' are Muslims. Half my family is Islamic and they are considered 'Muslims'. Muslim and Islamic are interchangable

Tocrowkia is appaled by this, and offers Muslim refugees the chance to flee to their nation.

Honourable Shah, the ban has been lifted for at least two months now.

Nikos Karagounis

Pacitalia, Ismira appologizes for not noticing the agreement untill today. We agree to all terms and conditions and would like to form an alliance with Pacitalia with a full embasy exchange. The $2,000,000 has been wired to your national treasury and my agents are in the process of taking back the weapons that we sent to the insurgents in your country. We expect to have all of them back by the end of the western year, 2005. We look forward to continuing relations with Pacitalia.


In the Name of Allah,
Caliph Muhammed bin Bashir

Excellent. This is good to hear. By the way, we don't need to sign an alliance - the non-aggression pact covers this.

Eleftherios Venizelos Jr.
Agustinate of Defence

Very well. I still wish to exchange embassies between our nations. Or is that covered in the agreement too?

I think so, which means you should be in my embassies list. I'll go check.