NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: I know this is incredibly risky both techonly and money wise, I'm about to blow all of my reserves on this bitch of a network. If you want to know what it looks like, think HALO 2
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The Miltary of the ECF has annouced the start of the MAC Defense Project,
What it is, will be one of the most powerful Single Solar System Defense Grid in our universe, in fact the only one and heres how it works.
There will be 200 Stations Placed around the 2 inhabited planets, each Station Will have Starbase sheilds and will be 1 km wide. And 1km Tall Inculding the Barrel.
Each Round for the MAC Gun will weigh in at 90,000tonns. And will be fired at a speed of .90c
How can the Barrel and Base of the Gun take that kind of Punishment?
One word neutronium. The Barrel will be made of neutronium.
The Base will be made of 5 Foot thick Tritanium, this can take the massive recoil that the gun will create.
Step One: Load Round, Tractor beams will move the round into the firing Chamber.
Step 2: The 100,000ton Hammer moves on a track to the top of the barrel. Then is pulled down at maximum Speed
Step 3:The Hammer Hits a "see saw" that sends the round flying at .40C
Step 4: The Mangents "push and pull" Pushing the Rout to .99C Just under warp 1
Step 5. The Round Is Shoved out of the barrle at .99C Which goes to it's target at almost warp speed.
Step 6: The Recoil is massive but because the base is made out of neutronium it can take the beating Massive Hydrolics reactrt to help take the recoil with the station being destoryed.
Step 7: Ports open on the side of the barrel to vent excess heat and cool the magnets, with out current cooling system takes 20 Seconds
Step 8: A New Round is loading into the Gun and the cooling vents close, the Gun is ready to fire again.

Each Gun can damage or destory even the most advanced capital ships.
In Theory it can put a hole right thourgh an SSD's reactor Bubble, once the sheilds have Dropped.
The 1st station will be named the Ciro and the 2nd the Clinton.

Each station will have Temporal Sheilding and Transporter inhibtor feilds.
Each Station will have a crew of 200 and a marine complement of 900.
QC Ractors will power the sations.
The Project will take 10 Years To Complete and 1/2 of the reserves are being spent on it.

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Feazanthia has possessed MAC defensive platform technology such as this for quite some time, but decided to go for the smaller platform for greater coverage and less cost.

These are desined to stop or damage large fleets. They can put a hole through an SSD in theroy but all evidance points to a single being capable of that.
This will proove dsastorus for any invaders. ALong with Fire From the Fleet nothings getting past that Grid in one peice.

My fighter swarms would devour those :)

My fighter swarms would devour those :)
They are not desinged to fight fighters, just beat the shit out of capital ships :)
Thats why I have 1200 StarShips in my 2 Homeplanets. In My Homesystem. It's great, The Fleet takes care of the smaller ships and the MAC Cannons destory the capital fleet :) It's a thing of beatuty.

Sounds Interesting. How much would one of these MAC Guns cost? 500 MAC guns maybe? If i could get them, is it possable to get some fighter bays and ship refuiling/repair/reammo docks installed too? Is there anyway that they could be put on the ground and transported? then launcehd into space? Because we will not be staying on Earth For long.

Sounds Interesting. How much would one of these MAC Guns cost? 500 MAC guns maybe? If i could get them, is it possable to get some fighter bays and ship refuiling/repair/reammo docks installed too? Is there anyway that they could be put on the ground and transported? then launcehd into space? Because we will not be staying on Earth For long.
I honestly don't think you get the pure magnitude of these MAC Guns, For one the Stations are 2km Wide and 1.7 KM Tall and the barrel is 1km Tall.
They are are in orbit around our planets.
You do not realize the pure power and magniude, these are probably the most powerful MAC Guns out there.
The Recoil from one of these would casue massive planetary damage. Earquakes,
ect.
This project will cost over 40 Trillion Dollars.
With all do respect to Janky Nations I highly doubt a nation as young as yours could ever afford the neutronium for the firing mechinism.
Keep in mind we have a large fleet to defend them.

I see. How much will 50 MAC guns cost including fighter bays?

I see. How much will 50 MAC guns cost including fighter bays?
Do you have experiance with QC Reactors and Warpcores?
These things also cannot move.
However when our production it complete for the defense grid ( 10 RL days ) We would be happy to build some modfified guns.
Though I cannot under intergalatic law give you Temporal Sheilding.
50 would run at about 15 Trillion Dollars.

Why exactly would you need 'neutronium'?

Do you have experiance with QC Reactors and Warpcores?
These things also cannot move.
However when our production it complete for the defense grid ( 10 RL days ) We would be happy to build some modfified guns.
Though I cannot under intergalatic law give you Temporal Sheilding.
50 would run at about 15 Trillion Dollars.

i will wire you the money now.

Why exactly would you need 'neutronium'?
Because neutronium is capable of taking that kind of abuse from the recoil. ALmost anything short of neutronium would be destoryed by the sheer amount of recoil. It is also very resistant to energy weapons, and it quite capable of taking a beating. neutronium is the most dense element in the universe. And also very expensive to find and use.

i will wire you the money now.
OOC: Dude your nation isn't even big enough to have that kind of money.

I will have to do a very intensve ecnonmic check on your nation. But I highly doubt your country is capable of support or buying these weapons, they seem to be higher than your entire GDP.

bumpage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOC I like them, and since you've made an official IC announcement, I can make IC changes to my fleet's structure to compensate, because once one person builds something, then everybody else has to have the something similar.
IC
We acknowledge the need for powerful defense systems in turbulent times such as these. If you would like monetary of material support in constructing this system, we will be glad to provide, in exchange for the blueprints. Our shipyards should be capable of producing major components of the baseplate if you want us to help.

OOC I like them, and since you've made an official IC announcement, I can make IC changes to my fleet's structure to compensate, because once one person builds something, then everybody else has to have the something similar.
IC
We acknowledge the need for powerful defense systems in turbulent times such as these. If you would like monetary of material support in constructing this system, we will be glad to provide, in exchange for the blueprints. Our shipyards should be capable of producing major components of the baseplate if you want us to help.
OOC: Well you can't really adapt to kentic energy, there is no defense agnist this thing other than what you allready have. Of crouse I have not given out exactly the KIND of projectile or what it's range is or what other kind of defenses it has, all I've really said is that it's a big ass MAC Gun, nothing new just on a massive scale. Weather you "change your fleet" doesn't matter becaise in a Solar System Envioment, Its NOT gonna miss.
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This MAC Gun invovles no new technogly. We have simply pushed it futher than anyone has before. Of crouse the cooling system is what we are most proud of. Without it the gun would melt itself.
I do not see a need for matierls ( remeber I don't exist, or at least my home system, exists in a differenet universe). The materials need to make a weapon like this work are rare and hard to come by.
Ask anything you wish about them, I won't give away exactly how it works but somthing could be worked out.

OOC I meant discoverig exiting new ways to make capship killers a non-issue.
IC:
Our degree of involvement and support is entirely based upon how much you need us to do, or more specifically want us to do. We estimate that if our shipyards were to assist, we could take two or three years off the production time.

OOC I meant discoverig exiting new ways to make capship killers a non-issue.
IC:
Our degree of involvement and support is entirely based upon how much you need us to do, or more specifically want us to do. We estimate that if our shipyards were to assist, we could take two or three years off the production time.
OOC: These are ment as a from of WMD when you think about it. Theres a 1200 Ship Fleet in the way protecting the MAC Guns and the Planet, it'd be hard to take them out. And they will be VERY effective on large ships.
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The 1st prototype is not done yet, it will be done soon within a few weeks. We must see if it even works!

Because neutronium is capable of taking that kind of abuse from the recoil. ALmost anything short of neutronium would be destoryed by the sheer amount of recoil. It is also very resistant to energy weapons, and it quite capable of taking a beating. neutronium is the most dense element in the universe. And also very expensive to find and use.

I'm far too tired to get up and go ask my brother or my uncle, and I'm more interested in biology myself, but wouldn't a MAC gun not HAVE any recoil? Since it uses magnetics and not explosives?

OOC: Well you can't really adapt to kentic energy, there is no defense agnist this thing other than what you allready have. Of crouse I have not given out exactly the KIND of projectile or what it's range is or what other kind of defenses it has, all I've really said is that it's a big ass MAC Gun, nothing new just on a massive scale. Weather you "change your fleet" doesn't matter becaise in a Solar System Envioment, Its NOT gonna miss.

If you used anything with any threatening density, a simple magnetic field would be enough to deflect it. I could see your MAC rounds deflecting harmlessly away from HIRIE ships.

OOC: Just so you know, there is a rather easy defense option to eliminate the MAC gun peril. It's called a gravity well. It would simply deflect the shots. Place one, and attract the attention of your gun.

There are some severe limitations, and also, kinetic energy is easily converted into potential energy, especially gravitational potential eneragy and gravitational kinetic energy.

If it's going fast enough, which these are, then a gravity well wouldn't have time to affect it before it impacted on target.

And MAC guns do have a sort of recoil, from the magnets pushing against eachother.

OOC: Its the Janky nations, i got my old nation back

How much would 1 MAC Gun cost? We will be able to research it and make more.

Not a powerful enough gravity well.

Just a thought. Wouldn't these guns literally push the stations through space? Moving that much metal at that high of a velocity would be enough to move planets. What makes you think you can brush it off as hydralics?

Not a powerful enough gravity well.

Just a thought. Wouldn't these guns literally push the stations through space? Moving that much metal at that high of a velocity would be enough to move planets. What makes you think you can brush it off as hydralics?
I honestly dont think a fleet carrys around a gravity generator that can prodruce 50 times more powerful than earth. Because thats what it would take to even start to divert one these.
The Hydrulics are simply there to stop the station from ripping itself apart. They can take a good deal of the recoil.
Now I have thought of a way to take the recoil.
The Entire Grid is in orbit around 2 planets right? Well heres how it's going to work.
1st off you have impluse engines that are consctany running during Red Alert, this can take care of a good deal of the recoil. These are not shitty ass impluse engines off ST, based on the same priceble but over 40,000 times more powerful. They can Handle a great amount of the recoil. Now I still have a great deal of movement to handle? Well how do I it? It's quite simple, "Tractor Network". For secutrty reasons I will not tell you exactly how it works, But it can take the remaining recoil and transfers it directly into the a planet and when it reaches it it will not shake the planet, it might upset the oceans a bit casuse some mild flooding. But we can easliy deal with that.
The tractor network is going to be incredible. And I'm not worried about it being somewhat weak. It is well sheildied and guarded by a Battle Cluster.

* Shipyards in the ECF *
A Massive Hammer Moves up the track and slams back down creating a massive thunder.
Massive expliosns and fires are seen at the top of the barrel, they can hear the entire base forced down and they could hear the hydrulics stuggling to stop the base from being ripped off. The cooling vents opened and they could feel the whole station move. 10 Starships were there to substute as a "Tractor Grid" until the real one was built. Futher out you saw a screaming projectile, it slammed into an 2km Fully sheilded ship which proceeded to explode as the round nailed it in engineering. The Starships struggled to keep the station in place. But it held and the tractor grid would be many times more powerful. The test had been a succes. The Gun had destoryed a Full Sized Battleship with no problems.

The 1st prototype has been a succes!
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Interesting, but we perfer to invest primarily in non-static weapons systems - with such as your have, an enemy with sufficently long-ranged weapons can engage and destroy your fortifications from ranges sufficent to allow them to avoid SMAC return fire.

Interesting, but we perfer to invest primarily in non-static weapons systems - with such as your have, an enemy with sufficently long-ranged weapons can engage and destroy your fortifications from ranges sufficent to allow them to avoid SMAC return fire.
OOC: The Range of these things are classified but I can tell you you would need to be more than a few lighyears out. Of crouse that depends what kind of projectile is being loaded, this thing is capable of thrusting rounds past lightspeed, if the Warp Sustianer Projectile is used. Of crouse Im the only one stupid enough to build a MAC Gun on this scale.
They are built for engagement in a tight space such as a SOL system. Even aganist the most durable ships, they'll still cause some damage. And it's expected that they can annilate smaller ships.

Secert IC:
The 3 types of Projectiles Will Be
1. Sheild OVerloader
2. Armour Pricer
3. Warp Sustianer " instant kill"

OOC: The Range of these things are classified but I can tell you you would need to be more than a few lighyears out. Of crouse that depends what kind of projectile is being loaded, this thing is capable of thrusting rounds past lightspeed, if the Warp Sustianer Projectile is used.

And I can tell you that I'm not the only one to include FTLi on their ships these days; it could be readily engaged from ranges beyond it's only ability to reply by a prepared foe.

'course, most folks don't seem to pay much attention to range, or FTLi, so chances are they'll fly blindly into death; the SMACs will be sitting ducks for a compotent, properly prepared foe, however.

OOC:Well even if it drops out of Warp it will still do a good deal of damage if it hits.
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This weapon CAN be used at a very very long range. However it's power comes from Station To Ship Combat inside our Solar System. Weather you know about it or not. It will still be a large threat. Lets say you rush in there with your big ass SSD Flagship( not you but alot of people use em), and you can qoute me on this, it will not survive constant fire from 250 MAC Guns.

OOC:The Problem is with alot of commanders if they defeat our offensive fleet. THey think that they have a clear shot, so they WILL fly blindy into death.

bump

You haven't answered my question yet, how much would one MAC gun cost including docking bays and fighter bays?

OOC: It's an ST style staion it doesn't HAVE fighter bays
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We would be happy to add them. However the QC Reactor is a classified pecice of techonolgy and you would need your own power source, of crouse we can throw in the Warpcore to power the station itself. But not the gun.
That would probaby run at about 400 Billion Dollar because of the extensive modications we would have to make to accomodate the options you wanted.
And I can't sell any until the production run for the ECF is done.

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I stand by it being easily countered by a directed magnetic field. Simply alter the trajectory the smallest bit and, like any third class lever, it misses it by a huge margin.

By the way, I hope you, as the rabid ST fan you appear to be, realize that Warp isn't actually a ship moving at speeds greater than light, that's still impossible, it merely folds the space in front of it and extends the space behind it. I looked into using SJ equipped projectiles, but as much as I can work it out, they didn't do very much better than sublight projectiles.

OOC:Well even if it drops out of Warp it will still do a good deal of damage if it hits.
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This weapon CAN be used at a very very long range. However it's power comes from Station To Ship Combat inside our Solar System. Weather you know about it or not. It will still be a large threat. Lets say you rush in there with your big ass SSD Flagship( not you but alot of people use em), and you can qoute me on this, it will not survive constant fire from 250 MAC Guns.

OOC:The Problem is with alot of commanders if they defeat our offensive fleet. THey think that they have a clear shot, so they WILL fly blindy into death.

You missunderstand; your weapon propigates at, at best, effectivly lightspeed - if your enemy can return fire from, say, two million kilometers, then your vollies would take six and a half seconds to reach the enemy - an enemy who is likly to be engaged in evasive maneuvers. This may not sound like alot, but many nations use capital ships more than capible of exploiting that delay to render return fire utterly impotent - star trek ships, for example. Conversly, your SMACs are big honkn' immobile targets.

Now, I'm not saying you should abandon the project; just sugesting that you don't rely too heavily on it.

I stand by it being easily countered by a directed magnetic field. Simply alter the trajectory the smallest bit and, like any third class lever, it misses it by a huge margin.


...unless the rounds are made of a non-ferrous material, utalising a desposible magnetic carrage.

You'd have to apply the feild at large strength and a far distance out to have any chance, anyway.

...unless the rounds are made of a non-ferrous material, utalising a desposible magnetic carrage.

You'd have to apply the feild at large strength and a far distance out to have any chance, anyway.

It's impossible to have a completely nuetral material, at least not at sub atmoic levels.

And it would require surprisingly little strength or distance, you merely need to put the trajectory off a degree or two, depending on distance.

You missunderstand; your weapon propigates at, at best, effectivly lightspeed - if your enemy can return fire from, say, two million kilometers, then your vollies would take six and a half seconds to reach the enemy - an enemy who is likly to be engaged in evasive maneuvers. This may not sound like alot, but many nations use capital ships more than capible of exploiting that delay to render return fire utterly impotent - star trek ships, for example. Conversly, your SMACs are big honkn' immobile targets.

Now, I'm not saying you should abandon the project; just sugesting that you don't rely too heavily on it.
OOC: Whats with all the Treknogoly hate? Most people dont realize that with some tweaking it can outdo alot of other types of tech on FT

As I said it could be used at long range, but it would be used in the event that there is an invading fleet IN the system. At such a close range there isnt time time to do an evasime manuver as by the time you detect the projectile, it's already there.

bump

OOC: Whats with all the Treknogoly hate? Most people dont realize that with some tweaking it can outdo alot of other types of tech on FT

As I said it could be used at long range, but it would be used in the event that there is an invading fleet IN the system. At such a close range there isnt time time to do an evasime manuver as by the time you detect the projectile, it's already there.

OOC:
What? I said star trek ships could easily dodge return fire at that range, unlike some hulking behemoths. That was pro-trek.

And two million kilometers is damn well within the solar system - heck, the Earth orbits ~150 million kilometers away from the sun.

You really don't have a very good sense of stellar scale, do you?

OOC: Stupid me, I thought you ment that they couldnt return fire.
Anything this thing is ment to take out the big ass fleet killing ships.

hmm been about a week so 8/10

OOC: This thing is not ment to be able to take out small fast ships, it's ment to take out those massive Battleships that are a threat to my fleet, you also forget that there is alot more defense systems in my home system, this is just one planet. Many of them are phaser and Quantum based. This is an ubership killer.
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The project has been finished, more will be released as soon as it becomes finalized. Comments on this project are welcomed.