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After years of working on it NTG Corporation abandoned the project and NTG Shipyards took off from where NTG Corporations stopped. They now present the H.N. Greco Carrier. Able to carry 150 aircraft with 10 helicopters at a speed of 42 knots they will be fully replacing the Nimtz carriers in the Hellenic Navy. Only three Greco Carriers where produced and one of them is named after the Emperor himself. Two of them are fully loaded with each 150 F-18 with 5 Sea Kings and 5x Sea Hawks. The last is still being tested for any problems.

H. N. Greco Carrier

Crew: 4,184
Aricrew: 3,800
Displacement: 750,000 tons

Dimensions

Length: 817 m
Beam: 140 m
Draught: 35.9 m (cvn 72 - 76) flight deck 555 x 98 m
Speed: 42 knots

Missiles

Surface-to-air Missile: 3 x raytheon gmls mk 29 8-cell launchers for SeaSparrow
Guns: 4x phalanx mk 15 ciws (3 in cvn 68 and cvn 69)
Aircraft: 150 aircraft
Helicopters: 5x AH-64A/D Apache, 5x RAH-66 Comanche
Combat data system: acds block 0 or block 1
Weapons control: 3x mk 91 mod 1 fire control system (for seasparrow missile)

Countermeasures

ESM: AN/SLQ-32(V)4
Decoys: 4x SRBOc, sstds torpedo defence system, AN/SLQ-25 nixie torpedo decoy

Radar

Air search: itt AN/SPS-48e E/f band, raytheon AN/SPS-49(V) 5 C/D band, raytheon mk 23 tas D-band
Surface search: northrop grumman AN/SPS-67v G-band
Navigation: raytheon AN/SPS-64(V) 9 I/j band
Propulsion: Nuclear 4x Ge pwr A4W/A1G, 194 MW, 4x emergency diesels, 8 MW

The ships:

Nikolaos Onassis H.N. Greco Carrier
Achilles Onassis H.N. Greco Carrier
Eleftherios Venizelos H.N. Greco Carrier
Sinestra H.N. Greco Carrier
Theodore Kolokotronis H.N. Greco Carrier

OOC:
its looks pretty nice if more than a little over loaded but your aircraft present a problem:
While a navalised EF Typhoon was investigated during the coruse of its long developement it never amde it as a serious idea, yes that may have been becuase britian was dumping all its conventional carrier brone aircraft on the RAF at the time and neither germany or italy have much need for carriers or thier aircraft but it coudla lso suggest that the design simply wasn't up to it.
in its standard form the Typhoon could never operate from a carrier you would have to biuld a compeltely new version. The F-22 is even mroe unlikely to ever see carrier use in any form. Unless you want to go down the road of serious custom jobs the only newer western aircraft available to you for carrier ops would be the F-18E/F/G or the french Rafale.
As for the helos why bother with close support designs what your carrier needs is bigger multi missions jobs like the Sea King or Sea hawk to give cargo, anti submarine and AEW coverage. Save your appatches and comanches for your assault vessels if you must ship mount them.

OOC: I will take some of your suggestions. I dont know much about aircrafts or ships so I didnt know the EF Typhoon and the F-22 Raptor was not able carrier based. I will use the F-18s and the Sea Kings or Sea hawks. In combat my carriers have submarines, cruisers and destroyers protecting them at all times.

Looks pretty slick...maybe the speed's a bit off though. The Nimitz class have 2 reactors and can make about 33 knots on a displacement similar to that, so perhaps a bit faster.

OOC: I will take some of your suggestions. I dont know much about aircrafts or ships so I didnt know the EF Typhoon and the F-22 Raptor was not able carrier based. I will use the F-18s and the Sea Kings or Sea hawks. In combat my carriers have submarines, cruisers and destroyers protecting them at all times.

OOC: What about the JSF? STOVL would be great you know.

Looks pretty slick...maybe the speed's a bit off though. The Nimitz class have 2 reactors and can make about 33 knots on a displacement similar to that, so perhaps a bit faster.
I raised it up to 42 knots. I am not sure it will go faster then that since the carrier is bigger the Nimitz.

OOC: What about the JSF? STOVL would be great you know.

OOC: Yeah, the F-35

OOC: The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is sort of a navalized version of the F-22. The designs are similar at least.

OOC: The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is sort of a navalized version of the F-22. The designs are similar at least.
OOC: Ok I will keep that in mind.

Hmmm, 800 metres long?

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Your displacement is WAY too small. That is close to a Nimitz CVN displacement. Once you get the displacement right, it will be over 500,000 tons by the way, the speed will be about that of a Nimitz, depending on your power plant, it may be slower. Most ships of this size on NS go 25-34 knots depending on power and design. Many actually go slower than 25. As for fighters, the F-35 is much less capable than the F-22. It is a modified version of the F-35A, the plane that will replace the F-16 in the AF. The F-35B and C are available for Naval ships. One is STOVL and the other is a regular carrier plane.

Your displacement is WAY too small. That is close to a Nimitz CVN displacement.
Around how much should the displacement be?

Depends on whether or not the 800m length is a typo or not.

Around how much should the displacement be?
I'm not the best at displacement calculations, but something over 500,000 is good. Maybe closer to 750,000. Or better yet, just listen to Freethinkers, he is an expert and I'm a wannabee compared to him.

Depends on whether or not the 800m length is a typo or not.
Is 800 meter for the lenght to much? If yes should I cut it down to 600-700 meters?

Well, not really too much per se (I do have 980 metre long ships *cough*), but you would need a much wider beam (about 120-140 metres) to ensure stability and a displacement approaching a million tons if not more.

Ok I changed it to 750,000 tons and I will change the beam to then.

Will these ever be for sale?

Will these ever be for sale?
Yes they will be for sale soon. I am also asking for SEATO funding on the SEATO forums to I can make 3 more of these to server in the SEATO navy.

HNN News Broadcast

NTG Shipyard’s project H.N. Greco Carrier is now under the supervision of Aris Onassis of the Imperial Family. Two more H.N. Greco Carriers have been successfully launched to sea. The Hellenic Navy has started using the H.N. Greco Carriers in training missions.

The 2 new ships are known as:

Sinestra H.N. Greco Carrier
Theodore Kolokotronis H.N. Greco Carrier

OOC:CAD's got prod rights, right? I'm gonna try and make my latest fighter design compatable with this thing.

HNN News Broadcast

After much debating between the Hellenic Navy and NTG Shipyards they have decided that CAD will be allowed to purchase production rights at a price of $1 billion USD.

Official Response

Money for production rights has been wired, and two vessels will immediatly be put under construction.

Official Response

Money for production rights has been wired, and two vessels will immediatly be put under construction.
Order confirmed.