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Top Secret Research and Development Program

Xessmithia
10-11-2004, 05:50
OOC: You read the title, this is your standard can not use IC stuff.

IC:

Harold didn't like what he was reading, it made sense, but he didn't like it. "Nothing should be capapble of that much destruction." He whispered.

Fleet Admiral Armishaw looked at his feet and spoke slowly, "I agree sir. But you're seen the intel reports, it's a dangerous galaxy out there. Who knows how long it will be before the Galactic Empire decides we stand in the way of," Armishaw made a disgusted noise, " in the way of 'order and peace'. We can't afford not to do it."

Harold sighed, "I know Will, I know." He took his pen, his daughter Helen had given it to him for his fiftieth birthday, he grimaced and put the pen back in his pocket. He couldn't use it for this, he took one of the cheap plastic pens given to tourists instead. He signed the authorization. "I hope we never have to go all the way."

"So do I Harold, so do I."

OOC2: I'm paying for this project with 5000 trillion USD of the 7700 trillion USD paid to me by Warhaven for his energy sail. It will take 40 NS years to complete, 10 of basic research and 30 of R&D.

1/40 complete, details on the project coming later.
Xessmithia
11-11-2004, 02:48
2/40 complete, please feel free to comment on the project OOCly
DemonLordEnigma
11-11-2004, 02:54
OOC: Not bad. At all. But are you going to bump your other topic?
Xessmithia
11-11-2004, 03:02
OOC: Not bad. At all. But are you going to bump your other topic?

I did.
Xessmithia
11-11-2004, 10:56
OOC: This project is to develop a series of weapons based on the Electromagnetic force. These are in the same vein as gravitic weapons people always throw around. It'll basically create very strong positive or negative electric fields close to the target, and destroy it by acting on the electrons of protons of the target.

So let me say this right off, it will affect even overall neutral targets. This is because it affects the subatomic particles that make up matter, as they have charge. So if it's made of matter, or anti-matter, it will be affected.

I did some math showing just how powerful these weapons can be. It follows.

Gravitic weapons vs. Electromagnetic weapons

Scenario:

The effects on an ISD of a gravitic weapon compared to those of an electromagnetic, in this case using electric fields, weapon given the same resources to work with, the mass and charged particles of an attacking ISD.

Assumptions:

- I'm treating both ISDs as points for the ease of math when generating the gravitational and electric fields.
- I assume that all the available mass or charge in an ISD is available to create the weapons field effect
- The weapon activates 1 meter from attacked ISD
- That the Ultimate Tensile Strength of the ISD is 100 GPa. For comparison the strongest material yet produced has a UTS of 63 Gpa, and that's for carbon nanotubes on the microscopic scale.
- Shields are not taken into account. It is assumed that they do not block the propagation of the fundamental forces.
- I'm treating the UTS of an atom to be it's ionization potential (energy required to ionize it).
- The average composition of the ISD's makes it equal to being made of Iron with 10% solidity.

Values:

Universal Gravitational constant (G)= 6.673x10^-11 N*m^2/kg^2
Coulomb's Constant = 8.987x10^9 (k) N*m^2/C^2
Avogadro's number = 6.022x10^23 particles/mol
Elementary charge (e)= 1.602x10^-19 C
Electron volt (eV) = 1.602x10^-19 J
Max Ionazation energy of Iron (Ei) = 3.3x10^25 eV/mol
UTS of ISD = 100 GPa
Area used for ISD (Ad) = 1,280,000 m^2
Volume used for ISD = 640,000,000 m^3
Mass used for ISD(m) = 5.12x10^11 kg
Number of moles in ISD = 9.17x10^12 mol
Number of atoms in ISD(#) = 5.52x10^36 atoms
Total charge per atom (q) = (26 * e) = 4.17x10^-18 C
Total charge in ISD (Q) = (q * #) = 2.30x10^19 C
R = 1 m
Rt = 1000m

Calculations:

Gravity Weapon

Strength of gravitational force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fg

Fg = [(G)(m1)(m2)] / R^2 => m1 = m2
Fg = [(G)(m)^2] / R^2
Fg = [(6.673x10^-11)(5.12x10^11)^2] / 1^2
Fg = 1.75x10^13 N

Pressure on the ISD

P = Fg/Ad
P = 1.75x10^13/ 1.28x10^6
P = 13,660,160 Pa => .014 GPa

UTS/P = 7143
This means that the gravity weapon doesn't do much damage to the ISD as the material is 7142 times stronger than the force on it.

EM Weapon

Strength of electrical force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fe

Fe = [(k)(Q1)(Q2)] / R^2 => Q1 = Q2
Fe = [(k)(Q)^2)] / R^2
Fe = [(8.987x10^9)(2.30x10^19)^2)] / 1^2
Fe = 4.75x10^48 N

Pressure on the ISD

P = Fe/Ad
P = 4.84x10^48/ 1.28x10^6
P = 3.78x10^42 Pa => 3.78x10^33 GPa

UTS/P = 2.64x10^-32
This means that the EM weapon very easily destroys the ISD as the material is 2.64x10^32 times weaker than than the force on it.


Please comment.
Moleland
11-11-2004, 11:22
OOC: Ho wsecret is your research? Is ti really top secret, or is the research not secret, just it's location?
Xessmithia
11-11-2004, 21:23
OOC: Ho wsecret is your research? Is ti really top secret, or is the research not secret, just it's location?

OOC: The whole deal is secret. Think the Manhattan project for an idea. But also like the Manhattan project and the research on nuclear physics, the research on the manipulation of the Electromagnetic force isn't classified, however that's just your basic theoretical physics. All the research pertaining to the use of it as weapons and the general application of it is at the highest level classified however.
Tanthan
11-11-2004, 21:48
OOC: You sure this is right?

Universal Gravitational constant (G)= 6.673x10^-11 N*m^2/kg^2

According to what my physics book says it is
(G) = 6.67x10^-11 m^3/kg*s^2

(expressed in N of course, gotta love those Newtons)

Why would it be m^2 over kg^2? If you can help me out that'd be pretty nice of you, because I don't get that last part of the equation.
Xessmithia
12-11-2004, 03:11
OOC: You sure this is right?

Universal Gravitational constant (G)= 6.673x10^-11 N*m^2/kg^2

According to what my physics book says it is
(G) = 6.67x10^-11 m^3/kg*s^2

(expressed in N of course, gotta love those Newtons)

Why would it be m^2 over kg^2? If you can help me out that'd be pretty nice of you, because I don't get that last part of the equation.


IC: 3/40 complete
OOC:
It's N*m^2/kg^2 for the units of G.

You get this from the equation.

Fg = [(G)(M1)(M2)] / r^2

Solving for G you get

[(Fg)(r^2)] / [(M1)(M2)] = G

in units this is

[(N)(m^2)] / [(kg)(kg)] => [(N)(m^2)] / [(kg^2)], which is of course N*m^2/kg^2. Make any more sense now?
DemonLordEnigma
12-11-2004, 03:15
OOC: Please simplify that into plain English for those of us who don't speak math. Or, if that is plain English, please translate it into Idiot.
Xessmithia
12-11-2004, 03:27
OOC: Please simplify that into plain English for those of us who don't speak math. Or, if that is plain English, please translate it into Idiot.

OOC: Which part? The first scenario is basically just saying that given equal amounts of material to work with, an EM weapon will be WAY more powerfull then a gravitic weapon. The second part is just how the units of G are derived for Tanthan.
DemonLordEnigma
12-11-2004, 03:47
OOC: Nevermind. You just explained enough I may be able to figure it all out.
Tanthan
12-11-2004, 03:49
oh wait I get it now, you don't need S because it is not applicable for the equation. You don't need to have it, thanks for clearing that up. I was using one for objects falling apparently, it seems like a solid formula for getting G though, just a little more work though. The math is a little complex for me still, but that seems like way OVERKILL for a weapon, almost like godmodding, but numbers do not lie.

The ISD won't always be effected so greatly by it, but since people don't go around making tanks out of wood with absolutely no metal in it the EM weapon is so effective it can rip it to shreds.

You can probably make the weapon very small if you have the power to energize it, which obviously takes a lot of force. If you want to be exceptionally cruel to any ISD you can try making a set of EM powered weapons and put it inside to have it be acted upon by as many forces in the field. So if anything COULD withstand it just bring in more power to amplify it.

A nice little thing about electromagnetism was in Popular Science recently, it was shrinking of coins. The experiment caused the coins to shrink greatly by up to 50% it seemed. The coin still resembles what it did before, but it is now smaller. It used large capicators though for it, its amazing because generally we think things like that cannot happen.
Xessmithia
12-11-2004, 04:30
oh wait I get it now, you don't need S because it is not applicable for the equation. You don't need to have it, thanks for clearing that up. I was using one for objects falling apparently, it seems like a solid formula for getting G though, just a little more work though. The math is a little complex for me still, but that seems like way OVERKILL for a weapon, almost like godmodding, but numbers do not lie.

The ISD won't always be effected so greatly by it, but since people don't go around making tanks out of wood with absolutely no metal in it the EM weapon is so effective it can rip it to shreds.

You can probably make the weapon very small if you have the power to energize it, which obviously takes a lot of force. If you want to be exceptionally cruel to any ISD you can try making a set of EM powered weapons and put it inside to have it be acted upon by as many forces in the field. So if anything COULD withstand it just bring in more power to amplify it.

A nice little thing about electromagnetism was in Popular Science recently, it was shrinking of coins. The experiment caused the coins to shrink greatly by up to 50% it seemed. The coin still resembles what it did before, but it is now smaller. It used large capicators though for it, its amazing because generally we think things like that cannot happen.


Yeah it is overkill, but overkill is fun. Why shred your enemy into floating debris when you can vaporize them :D.

And yeah it is cool what you can do with electromagnetism. There's lots more I have to learn.
Xessmithia
13-11-2004, 03:36
4/40 complete. I have more math to post, I'm almost donw. It's basically the same thing only more accurate as I'll have the force exerted on the front of the ISD so I can integrate the values of Fg and Fe at the front and back of the ISD giving a more accurate overall force on the ISD. Also coming soon will be a description of how this series of EM based weapons will work and some neat and usefull side effects I thought of. Please keep the comments coming, I like hearing them.
Xessmithia
14-11-2004, 07:06
5/40 complete. And I did some of my previous math wrong so I fixed it.
Xessmithia
14-11-2004, 11:39
Gravitic weapons vs. Electromagnetic weapons 2

Scenario:

The effects on an ISD of a gravitic weapon compared to those of an electromagnetic, in this case using electric fields, weapon given the same resources to work with, the mass and charged particles of an attacking ISD. The area used is now that of looking straight at the front of the ISD

Assumptions:

- I'm treating both ISDs as points at certain distances for the ease of math when generating the gravitational and electric fields and calculatting forces
- I assume that all the available mass or charge in an ISD is available to create the weapons field effect
- The weapon activates 1 meter from attacked ISD
- That the Ultimate Tensile Strength of the ISD is 100 GPa. For comparison the strongest material yet produced has a UTS of 63 Gpa, and that's for carbon nanotubes on the microscopic scale.
- Shields are not taken into account. It is assumed that they do not block the propagation of the fundamental forces.
- I'm treating the UTS of an atom to be it's ionization potential (energy required to ionize it).
- The average composition of the ISD's makes it equal to being made of Iron with 10% solidity.

Values:

Universal Gravitational constant (G)= 6.673x10^-11 N*m^2/kg^2
Coulomb's Constant = 8.987x10^9 (k) N*m^2/C^2
Avogadro's number = 6.022x10^23 particles/mol
Elementary charge (e)= 1.602x10^-19 C
Electron volt (eV) = 1.602x10^-19 J
Max Ionazation energy of Iron (Ei) = 3.3x10^25 eV/mol
UTS of ISD = 100 GPa
Area used for ISD (Ad) = 1,280,000 m^2
Volume used for ISD = 640,000,000 m^3
Mass used for ISD(m) = 5.12x10^11 kg
Number of moles in ISD = 9.17x10^12 mol
Number of atoms in ISD(#) = 5.52x10^36 atoms
Total charge per atom (q) = (26 * e) = 4.17x10^-18 C
Total charge in ISD (Q) = (q * #) = 2.30x10^19 C
R = 1 m
Rt = 1601m

Calculations:

Gravity Weapon

Strength of gravitational force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fgt

Fg1 = [(G)(m1)(m2)] / R^2 => m1 = m2
Fg1 = [(G)(m)^2] / R^2
Fg1 = [(6.673x10^-11)(5.12x10^11)^2] / 1^2
Fg1 = 1.75x10^13 N

Fg2 = [(G)(m1)(m2)] / Rt^2 => m1 = m2
Fg2 = [(G)(m)^2] / Rt^2
Fg2 = [(6.673x10^-11)(5.12x10^11)^2] / 1601^2
Fg2 = 6.82x10^6 N

Average Fg = Fgt = (Fg1 + Fg2) / 2 = 8.75x10^12 N


Pressure on the ISD

P = Fgt/Ad
P = 8.75x10^12/ 4x10^5
P = 2.19x10^7 Pa => .022 GPa

UTS/P = 4545
This means that the gravity weapon doesn't do much damage to the ISD as the material is 4545 times stronger than the average force on it.

EM Weapon

Strength of electrical force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fet

Fe1 = [(k)(Q1)(Q2)] / R^2 => Q1 = Q2
Fe1 = [(k)(Q)^2)] / R^2
Fe1 = [(8.987x10^9)(2.30x10^19)^2)] / 1^2
Fe1 = 4.75x10^48 N

Fe2 = [(k)(Q1)(Q2)] / Rt^2 => Q1 = Q2
Fe2 = [(k)(Q)^2)] / Rt^2
Fe2 = [(8.987x10^9)(2.30x10^19)^2)] / 1601^2
Fe2 = 1.85x10^42 N1

Average Fe = Fet = (Fe1 + Fe2) / 2 = 4.75x10^48 N


Pressure on the ISD

P = Fet/Ad
P = 4.75x10^48/ 4x10^5
P = 1.2x10^43 Pa => 1.2x10^34 GPa

UTS/P = 8.3x10^-33
This means that the EM weapon very easily destroys the ISD as the material is 8.3x10^33 times weaker than than the force on it.
Xessmithia
15-11-2004, 06:39
6/40 complete

Electromagnetic Force Based Weaponry of Xessmithia

"Apocalypse" Induction Warhead: Using a Disjunction Generator and a Charge Inverser Field Device an Induction Warhead accesses the charge in an ultra high-density matter supply to generate an extraordinarily high strength monopolarity electric field. This field which can be either positive or negative attracts or repels the electrons in the target. In the case of a positive field the electrons are attracted to the field, this will create a strongly negative charge at the end of the target closest to the field and a highly positive charge at the other. This charge discrepency induces a massive current in the target. This current is so strong that it vaporizes most materials it passes through due to their electrical resistance, the only materials not damaged are superconductors. This current also produces a huge magnetic field, creating an EMP capable of disabling even heavily shielded ships within range.

"Armageddon" Electromagnetic Primary Beam: Using a Disjunction Generator, a Charge Inverser Field Device and an Electromagnetic Collimator an EPB produces a focused negative field which forcefully repels electrons from their atoms in the target. This is equivalent to driving a solid spike through the ship, the EPB vaporizes the matter it contacts and drastically heats the material close to it. It is excellent at penetrating armor and shields being nearly unstoppable. The disadvantage is that requires "shells" to fire, these "shells" are containers of ultra high-density matter in which the matter is drawn from. These are of limited number on a starship and limit the rate of fire to how fast the "shells" can be loaded.

"Hercules" Electromagnetic Primary Wedge: This uses the same principle as the EPB only it produces a negative wedge as opposed to a beam. This weapon is significantly more powerful than an EPB, as it is easily capapable of cleaving a ship in half.

Weapons related to EMF Weapons

"Shiva" Neutronium Warhead/Bomb: This is a technology that is possible because of the method used to harness the charge of the matter used in the EMF weapons. The "shell" of ultra high-density matter, usually super-cooled and compressed hydrogen, undergoes a process which frees the charge on it's protons and electrons, changing the charge of either a proton or electron to ensure a maximum strength monopolarity field. This process leaves the particles with no charge, they then transmute into degenerate neutrons, commonly known as Neutronium. This degenerate matter is unstabble and starts decaying within milli-seconds of coming into existance, releasing fast neutrons as the Neutronium destabilizes. This rapid pulse of neutrons is capapble of delivering an instantly lethal dose of radiation to humans within a large radius. To circumvent this event from killing the crew of a Xessmithian Naval vessel, the weapon designers incorporated a derivative Icefire-reactor into the shell containment systems. As the Neutronium decays the emmited fast neutrons are used to power a containment field, keeping the Neutronium under the required pressure to remain stable for any time between 30 seconds and 10 minutes. During this time the shell is ejected from the vessel at a high velocity to protect the crew from the radiation.

This leads to Shiva warheads. The warhead is essentially a self contained Induction warhead in which the charge is used to provide propulsion for the missile, or energy shielding for a bomb. When the material is completely converted it begins a timer countdown to the destabilization of the Neutronium. When this occurs there is a massive pulse of neutron radiation capapble of delivering fatal doses of radition over extremely large ranges. It is essentially a old fashioned Neutron Bomb on steroids without the nuclear explosion.
Xessmithia
16-11-2004, 00:31
7/40
Xessmithia
17-11-2004, 03:51
Harold read the report. The project was proceeding on schedule. He slid a memory chip into his PDA, it's flexible organic polymer screen changing to display hundreds of pages of the complicated math that would allow the construction of these montrous weapons. He quickly skimmed over the estimated power output of a 706 kilogram Induction warhead at 1 km, 1.4 million terrawatts. He shook his head, and kept on reading.

8/40 complete
Gelfland
17-11-2004, 10:16
so, it's similar in pricipal to the wunderland Treatymaker from "The Ringwold Engineers"
Right?
Xessmithia
17-11-2004, 19:31
so, it's similar in pricipal to the wunderland Treatymaker from "The Ringwold Engineers"
Right?

Pretty much.
Xessmithia
18-11-2004, 04:33
9/40 complete
Xessmithia
18-11-2004, 21:10
10/40 complete
Xessmithia
20-11-2004, 01:36
11/40 complete
Xessmithia
21-11-2004, 01:23
12/40 complete
Xessmithia
21-11-2004, 20:50
13/40
Xessmithia
23-11-2004, 00:57
14/40 complete
Xessmithia
24-11-2004, 04:33
15/40 complete
Xessmithia
25-11-2004, 02:31
16/40 complete
Xessmithia
26-11-2004, 07:25
17/40 complete
Xessmithia
29-11-2004, 06:05
18/40 complete
Xessmithia
30-11-2004, 03:41
19/40 complete
Xessmithia
01-12-2004, 05:30
20/40 complete
Xessmithia
03-12-2004, 09:29
Missed a day

22/40 complete
Xessmithia
04-12-2004, 07:47
23/40 complete
Xessmithia
05-12-2004, 19:03
24/40 complete
Xessmithia
06-12-2004, 05:48
25/40 complete
Xessmithia
07-12-2004, 05:59
26/40 complete
Xessmithia
08-12-2004, 09:21
27/40 complete
CorpSac
08-12-2004, 11:00
ok for a person like me who failed maths completely and wasnt all that good with pysics can you turn this into lamens terms? eg in the simplest way you can without going into to much detail how the weapon works and and i mean and, are all things effected by EM? i know i sounds like a numb skull.
GMC Military Arms
08-12-2004, 11:52
Um, can y'all quit with the spam-bumps?
Xessmithia
08-12-2004, 12:12
ok for a person like me who failed maths completely and wasnt all that good with pysics can you turn this into lamens terms? eg in the simplest way you can without going into to much detail how the weapon works and and i mean and, are all things effected by EM? i know i sounds like a numb skull.


All things are affected by electromagnetics to some degree. My induction warheads cause an extremely large current in all nearby matter. Since all matter witht he exception of superconductors have some resistance to electricity, the current produces heat. Since the current is so large the heat generated will be enough to vapourize most materials. It's the same thing that makes toasters and light-bulbs work.

My EM primary weapons create an extremely negative field which is projected. This field will repel electrons, which will again cause an electrical current and will also act like a solid barrier as electron repulsion is what causes "physical" contact. This allows them to easily slice through matter.

The neutron radiation weapons are just extremely deadly Neutron Bombs without a nuclear explosion.

Hope that helps.


Um, can y'all quit with the spam-bumps?

Huh?
CorpSac
08-12-2004, 12:19
i think GMC wants people to stop asking questions.

anyway thanks that helps (that sounds like a deadly weapon....im worried)
Xessmithia
08-12-2004, 13:21
i think GMC wants people to stop asking questions.

anyway thanks that helps (that sounds like a deadly weapon....im worried)

You're welcome. And no need to worry, It's unlikely I'll ever wind up fighting you.
GMC Military Arms
08-12-2004, 13:25
i think GMC wants people to stop asking questions.

anyway thanks that helps (that sounds like a deadly weapon....im worried)

No, I want the [x]/50 complete thing cut out a little. A whole page of nothing but [x]/50 complete is rather spammy.
Xessmithia
09-12-2004, 03:49
No, I want the [x]/50 complete thing cut out a little. A whole page of nothing but [x]/50 complete is rather spammy.

It's documentation so no one cries godmod when I cleave their fancy 17.5 km long SSD in half, deal with it.

28/40 complete.
GMC Military Arms
09-12-2004, 09:24
They're more likely to point out they have shielding against your system. After all, 'shields' aren't fixed-effect. Also, there's no difference if you 'document' every day, two days or ten days, it's still there. Furthermore, a lot of people don't accept day = year time.
Xessmithia
09-12-2004, 14:26
They're more likely to point out they have shielding against your system. After all, 'shields' aren't fixed-effect. Also, there's no difference if you 'document' every day, two days or ten days, it's still there. Furthermore, a lot of people don't accept day = year time.


In my original descriptions I said it works well against shields, not as well as it does against matter, but it still works. In regrads to my induction warheads, they have no effect on what passes for most RPers shields, nor would the shields affect it. Since any shield system that claims it can stop the propagation of one of the fundamental forces would be a godmod initself, best you can hopefor is that it somewhat lessens the field intensity.

Day=year time is widely enough accepted to be the most reasonable thing to use.

I know I could choose document only when it's a blue moon in July on a Thursday and is -30 degrees celsius outside. I just choose not to, I do it daily so I don't forget to update.

Don't like it, fine. Just read the first post of any of my threads which have the words "research" or "development" or "construction" in the tittle. Then you never have to look at it again.

It'll save you time, and get rid of a pain in the ass for me. Everybody wins.
VirginIncursion
09-12-2004, 16:47
Gravitic weapons vs. Electromagnetic weapons

Scenario:

The effects on an ISD of a gravitic weapon compared to those of an electromagnetic, in this case using electric fields, weapon given the same resources to work with, the mass and charged particles of an attacking ISD.

Assumptions:

- I'm treating both ISDs as points for the ease of math when generating the gravitational and electric fields.
- I assume that all the available mass or charge in an ISD is available to create the weapons field effect
- The weapon activates 1 meter from attacked ISD
- That the Ultimate Tensile Strength of the ISD is 100 GPa. For comparison the strongest material yet produced has a UTS of 63 Gpa, and that's for carbon nanotubes on the microscopic scale .
- Shields are not taken into account. It is assumed that they do not block the propagation of the fundamental forces .
- I'm treating the UTS of an atom to be it's ionization potential (energy required to ionize it).
- The average composition of the ISD's makes it equal to being made of Iron with 10% solidity.

Values:

Universal Gravitational constant (G)= 6.673x10^-11 N*m^2/kg^2
Coulomb's Constant = 8.987x10^9 (k) N*m^2/C^2
Avogadro's number = 6.022x10^23 particles/mol
Elementary charge (e)= 1.602x10^-19 C
Electron volt (eV) = 1.602x10^-19 J
Max Ionazation energy of Iron (Ei) = 3.3x10^25 eV/mol
UTS of ISD = 100 GPa
Area used for ISD (Ad) = 1,280,000 m^2
Volume used for ISD = 640,000,000 m^3
Mass used for ISD(m) = 5.12x10^11 kg
Number of moles in ISD = 9.17x10^12 mol
Number of atoms in ISD(#) = 5.52x10^36 atoms
Total charge per atom (q) = (26 * e) = 4.17x10^-18 C
Total charge in ISD (Q) = (q * #) = 2.30x10^19 C
R = 1 m
Rt = 1000m

Calculations:

Gravity Weapon

Strength of gravitational force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fg

Fg = [(G)(m1)(m2)] / R^2 => m1 = m2
Fg = [(G)(m)^2] / R^2
Fg = [(6.673x10^-11)(5.12x10^11)^2] / 1^2
Fg = 1.75x10^13 N

Pressure on the ISD

P = Fg/Ad
P = 1.75x10^13/ 1.28x10^6
P = 13,660,160 Pa => .014 GPa

UTS/P = 7143
This means that the gravity weapon doesn't do much damage to the ISD as the material is 7142 times stronger than the force on it.

EM Weapon

Strength of electrical force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fe

Fe = [(k)(Q1)(Q2)] / R^2 => Q1 = Q2
Fe = [(k)(Q)^2)] / R^2
Fe = [(8.987x10^9)(2.30x10^19)^2)] / 1^2
Fe = 4.75x10^48 N

Pressure on the ISD

P = Fe/Ad
P = 4.84x10^48/ 1.28x10^6
P = 3.78x10^42 Pa => 3.78x10^33 GPa

UTS/P = 2.64x10^-32
This means that the EM weapon very easily destroys the ISD as the material is 2.64x10^32 times weaker than than the force on it.

I see a number of problems already .... first is that you are making assumptions. Secondly ISD's are future tech and carbon nanotubes are modern tech, so using the stength of carbon nanotubes as the basis of your formula makes the results useless. ISD's would be built of much stronger metal/s then carbon nanotubes, because carbon nanotubes would be considered obsolete by future tech. Finally ... Shields which are also future tech are not taken into account.
Xessmithia
09-12-2004, 18:29
I see a number of problems already .... first is that you are making assumptions. Secondly ISD's are future tech and carbon nanotubes are modern tech, so using the stength of carbon nanotubes as the basis of your formula makes the results useless. ISD's would be built of much stronger metal/s then carbon nanotubes, because carbon nanotubes would be considered obsolete by future tech. Finally ... Shields which are also future tech are not taken into account.

The Tensile strength I used is actually greater than the tensile strength of microscopic carbon-nano tubes. I consider it to be good for the rough calcs used here, in which I was only trying to show the relative strangth of EM to gravity.

We're dealing with imaginary science here, what isn't an assumption? The first two I listed make the math easier, the third I explained above, the fourth is that shields don't stop magnetic/electric/gravity fields, not unsubstantiated since that ships are still affected by planetary gravity wells not to mention all those gravity weapons being thrown around, I've never used the fifth, and the sixth I used only to get a mass.

Finally that math isn't how my weapons do damage anyway. I'll have to more to show that.

However if it will make you happy I can do a quick comparison using 1,000,000 GPa as it's tensile strength. Which is ungodly strong.

Usning my math you quoted

Strength of gravitational force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fg

Fg = [(G)(m1)(m2)] / R^2 => m1 = m2
Fg = [(G)(m)^2] / R^2
Fg = [(6.673x10^-11)(5.12x10^11)^2] / 1^2
Fg = 1.75x10^13 N

Pressure on the ISD

P = Fg/Ad
P = 1.75x10^13/ 1.28x10^6
P = 13,660,160 Pa => .014 GPa

EM Weapon

Strength of electrical force created by attacking ISD on the attacked ISD, Fe

Fe = [(k)(Q1)(Q2)] / R^2 => Q1 = Q2
Fe = [(k)(Q)^2)] / R^2
Fe = [(8.987x10^9)(2.30x10^19)^2)] / 1^2
Fe = 4.75x10^48 N

Pressure on the ISD

P = Fe/Ad
P = 4.84x10^48/ 1.28x10^6
P = 3.78x10^42 Pa => 3.78x10^33 GPa

Now lets say the shields somehow stop the fundamental forces, and cut the pressure by 90%. We get gravity pressure beng, Pg =.0014 GPa. And EM pressure being, Pe = 3.78x10^32 GPa.

With a UTS of 1x10^6 (one million) GPa the ISD is 714,285,714 times stronger than pressure so would presumable take no damage from the gravity weapon.

While the UTS of 1x10^6 GPa is 3.78x10^26. 378 trillion trillion times weaker than the pressure from the EM weapon. And that's 10% of the original force thanks to the shields. That ISD would be shredded to bits.
GMC Military Arms
10-12-2004, 10:50
I know I could choose document only when it's a blue moon in July on a Thursday and is -30 degrees celsius outside. I just choose not to, I do it daily so I don't forget to update.

That's nice. Now, knock it off.

It'll save you time, and get rid of a pain in the ass for me. Everybody wins.

Wow, insulting moderators is really clever.
Xessmithia
10-12-2004, 18:26
That's nice. Now, knock it off.

I'll knock it off when you tell
DemonLordEnigma (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372417) and Godular (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373117) to knock it off.

And why haven't you complained about my Research and Construction Database (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370222)?

Also, why are you the only one complainging? You'd figure if it was truly bothersome more than one person would have mentioned something by now.


Wow, insulting moderators is really clever.

Nah, more like inevitable if all moderators obsessed with their pseudo-authority are this bloody annoying.


PS: DLE and Godular, if he does tell you to stop I apologize in advance for setting you up for this most unpleasant scencario.








Oh and GMC I almost forgot...

29/40 complete
Xessmithia
11-12-2004, 09:28
30/40 complete