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IPHA- 'Puma'

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This is the Intelligent Products Heavy Armour - 'Puma' MBT. It features all the latest in equipment, including revolutionary ideas, and is a reasonable price.

Main Features:
-Crewless Turret
-SCRAMjet rounds
-'Beehive' rounds
-Electrothermal-chemical cannon
-Armoured crew pod
-Kaktus ERA
-Missile Pod

We are confident that this tank should suit our MBT requirements for some time to come, it has performed well in all the field tests it undertook, and so far no crew member has come to harm.


In Detail:

Armament:

The specification for the IPHA Puma MBT was that it should be able to compete with the latest tank designs in the NS world, as well as being manoeuvrable and able to fight infantry effectively.

Therefore it was decided to house the most powerful main gun possible, the 140mm ETC cannon, made by Intelligent Products. These cannon are far more powerful than a conventional 140mm cannon, and are capable of defeating the armour of all RL tanks in existence, and many NS exclusive tanks.

Due to the size of the cannon, the turret either had to be massive, or have no crew in the turret. We decided to remove the crew and replace them with more ammunition and electronic systems, as well as an autoloader capable of between 8 (sustained) and 14 rounds per minute (max).

This cannon is capable of firing 4 types of round:
-SCRAMjet round, for armour piercing capability.
-'Beehive' round, ball bearings, for anti-infantry work.
-HEAT rounds, useful for taking out light tanks.
-HE rounds, good against buildings

Coaxial with the main cannon, there is a 12.7mm MG, that fires Teflon coated armour piercing rounds, for extra power when firing upon those pesky 'Technicals'.

On the top of the tank there is room for a rack of 2 Stinger or TOW missiles, and a dual 12.7mm MG. These are for targeting helicopters or armoured vehicles as well as infantry.

There are also two sets of 6 smoke grenade launchers on the turret.

Armour:

The armour is comprised of the super lightweight composite armour, known as ASH-armour. This is very light and tough and has the equivalent of this amount of RHS:

Turret: 1800mm
Glacis: 1400mm
Lower front hull: 1200mm
Hull Side: 500mm
Hull Rear: 250mm

In addition, blocks of Kaktus ERA can be optionally installed on the Glacis plate and turret. The ERA has been proven to snap a 120mm APFS-SABOT in half, due to the slicing motion it employs.

Engine/Performance:

The engine is a tried a tested turbo-diesel, capable of propelling the tank to speeds, on road, of 48mph and on rougher terrain up to 38mph.

This speed is due to the small weight of the tank, only 54 tonnes.

Crew Protection:

The crew are safely encased in an armoured pod inside the hull; this protects them from any internal explosions, for example the ammunition exploding. Hatches that are placed to the rear and to the front of the hull at the top, allow the crew to move in and out. The pod is not completely airtight in the standard version, but the HE (Hazardous Environment) version, as well as the command version (K), can be sealed for up to 1 hour.

Fire control systems are present inside and outside the pod. All tank functions can be carried out without leaving the pod.

Stats:
Crew: 3
Weight: 54 tonnes
Top Speed: 48mph
Armour Max: =1800mm RHS + ERA
Armour Min: =250mm RHS
Armament: 140mm ETC main gun, 12.7mm Co-axial MG, Dual 12.7mm MG, 2 missiles (either Stinger or TOW), 12 smoke grenade launchers.

Cost (Normal): $8,000,000
(HE): $9,000,000
(K): $10,000,000

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Is it possible to pre-order? Or too secure industry and export rights?

Now For Sale!

BumP

such a large amount of money for such an average tank :(

AVERAGE!

This tank is on a par with the best NS tanks available. It is far far better than anything RL at the moment.

Besides, a M1A2 costs $6.8 million RL, while the Leclerc costs $8 mill RL.

So not expensive.

M-1A2 costs about 4.3 million (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1.htm)]

in do you do custom orders

The Free Republic would like to buy 50 for testing purposes. This tank may work well as a light counterpart to our Thunderer II MBT. If the tank performs as specified we would like to discuss purchasing production rights.

Minister of Defence, Ilek-Vaad

Golddragons: Yes, on tanks. Please tell me what you want and I'll give you a quote.

Ilek-Vaad: I assume you want the 'normal' version, so that will cost $400,000,000 please. This is not a light tank however, it is only light in weight. Thanks.

The Pheonix Militia: Ok, I heard 6.4 million from CSJ. Anyway, this is far more advanced than a M1A2.

I would like to purchase 650 of IPHA- 'Puma' (K) tanks for $6,500,000,000.00
Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thank you.

Ilek-Vaad: I assume you want the 'normal' version, so that will cost $400,000,000 please. This is not a light tank however, it is only light in weight. Thanks.




The normal version is fine.The funds have been wired.

Minister of Defence, Ilek-Vaad

bump

Ok, you know the 'K' version is the command version? Confirmed.

The Free Republic would like to purchase and additional two thousand Puma MBT's to arm our 3rd Foreign Guard army. Funds will be wired upon confirmation of order.

Minister of Defence, Ilek-Vaad

Thanks for your order, that will be $800,000,000,000 (or $800 Billion).

such a large amount of money for such an average tank :(
His price is very realistic for a NS tank. In fact the tank itself is suprisingly realistic.

Thank you, the funds have been wired.

Minister of Defence, Ilek-Vaad

Thank you, it is nice to hear praise from a member of NATO, who are after all supposed to be the RWC's supreme enemy.

Do you want a free tank?

I quit NATO today. Yah I should update my sig... oh and unlike most of NATO I never hated or disliked any of you OOC.

There seem to be a lot of NATO members quitting recently. I know not all of NATO hated us, only some. Why did you quit?

Well we got together and decided it was the right thing to do. Read my speach on the matter for more details: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378240

One comment, what is that armour of yours made out of? If your tank has that much armour and the tank weighs such a little i think it would be godmoding unless you told me how that armour works, if you cant then i personally would ignore your tank in RP(not meaning to be nasty, but i dont like godmoding)

M-1A2 costs about 4.3 million (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1.htm)]
No, $6.8 million for an M1A2 is about accurate.

You really should pay attention to your own sources carefully before posting them.
If you look carefully, the stats show three columns, with the M1/IPM1 on the left, M1A1 in the middle, and M1A2 on the right. The $4,300,000 price is in the middle column. In other words: wrong model.

Also, that M1A1 price is what was stated during the 1st Gulf War. It would be a bit more today.




Edit: browser went screwy and posted early


As for this tank design, it fits WAY too much into such a small frame. You might get away with the speed, the armor, or the main gun, but not all three. With all that in there, this unit should easily exceed 70 tons.

Other Issues:
1) ERA cannot "slice" an APFSDS round in half, regardless of how uber the tech. The only way such a round can be split in half is if it breaks due to hitting the hard armor at the wrong angle. No other method can do it.

2) Scramjet SABOT rounds would be rather ineffective for two reasons. First, the air density at low altitudes will seriously restrict speed, to the piont where the round won't be much faster than a normal ETC or APFSDS round. Second, it will have to have an engine, and with it, an intake and a hollow combustion chamber, as well as fuel. This will likely reduce the structural strength of the round, and thus adversely affect penetration.

3) Assuming the Scramjet round's problems are overcome, there becomes the issue of wasting money and effort on an ETC gun at all. The Scramjet round will have its speed dictated by its own engine, and the other rounds work better at lower speeds anyway. Therefore, ETC just becomes a useless extra, jacking up cost while providing nothing.

4) Autoloaders tend not to have burst rates. Those are a result of the human factor. Since autoloaders don't tire, they generally only have a constant sustained rate. That's always been one of the marks against them: they're outperformed by human loaders in the short term.

5) Is the listed armor protection against HEAT or APFSDS. If the former, that's fine. If the latter, you might need a bit of explaining to show how you doubled armor protection compared to current RL models.

CSJ, here are my responses:

1) I found the information about 'Kaktus' ERA on a website, will TG you the link when I get home. Basically, two plates of metal are fired sideways, overlapping each other, thereby increasing the HEAT protection as the jet keeps having to burn through new metal. In addition, european officials said that the ERA was capable of slicing the SABOT in two.

2) I know, I heard that elsewhere. This tank needs to be updated.

3) I am eliminating the SCRAMjet round.

4) Autoloaders can get hot...

5) APFSDS, but the Kaktus ERA does increase protection against SABOT considerably.

Thanks for the comments.

Vast Principles:

The armour is ASH (Attack Stop Helper):
The first layer (hardened steel) prevents small calibre rounds and fragments penetrating. Then a layer of Hard-Foam slows many shells and will stop HEAT. Then a layer of non-flammable, dense liquid, helps stop Anti-Tank SABOT rounds penetrating. Then some 'secret composites' are used, followed by a layer of steel. This armour is light and very strong

Hmm, very interesting. this armour actually sounds beter than any of the explosive reactive armour types i myself would use....and i now see why it would be "lighter" than most tanks...very nice, people who can answer questions so well deserve to be the best selling people ever, i think you should be doing a lot better!

Hmm, very interesting. this armour actually sounds beter than any of the explosive reactive armour types i myself would use....and i now see why it would be "lighter" than most tanks...very nice, people who can answer questions so well deserve to be the best selling people ever, i think you should be doing a lot better! On that note...

IC: With the defence budget at a new high (OOC:29% of bugdet according to thirdgeek) VP has decided not only to improve its Airforce but also its tank force. We have made the desion to purchase the IPHA MBT from Intelligent Neighbors, of the H type.

A total of 500 Of these tanks would be needed and we are willing to pay the 500million for these, and if the H version has a capability to keep the crew inside without leaving the tank for 48hours then we shall be willing to pay an extra 15million, if not then we shall look into this idea and send all designs on it to IN.

You could keep the men in the tank, but they might want to have some extra food and drink, as well as a bucket...

We welcome and confirm your order.

With extra testing we have found the tank to be more than capable and have decided to instead of supplement our current tank force to replace it with the IPHA MBT.

Therefore, as a secondary and pre-limanary order we would like an extra 2000 tanks, at a cost of 20million. We shall look into how many more tanks we will require in the near future.

OOC: i might actually make a proper military for once, all properly balanced...does anyone know if there is a nation who could help me out with that???

Confirmed.

As for wanting help, post on the general forum asking for help. Lots of nations would be willing to aid you.

How fast does it go?

We would like to purchase 1 Puma(k) @ 10,000,000 for R&D purposes. Thank you

We shall take 400 HE models.

OOC: Are you OK with doing your own math? 'Cause I suck at math.

Terra of Sol would like to renew its purchase for 1 Puma(k) for R&D. We would also like to buy 100 standard Pumas for 800 milion from our two year defence budget of $5,256,513,382. Leaving us a budget of 4,425,513,382.

OOC: I use http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxlmparser.php for my countrys budget and I add up last years surplus.

OOC: as promised, a big order for you(big ish). thx for that tip for the military thing for VP, i am VP also you see. Also, i wrote 20million, that should be...higher :D

If you ever get into a war i have a reason to help you if you accept my second message(please do!)

IC:

-encrypted-

To: IN Sales dep.
From: H2 Military procurement dep, section 23(MBT)

greetings sirs,

Hotdogs2 would like to order a total of 100,000 IPHA MBT, of the HE version, at a total cost of 1,000,000,000,000 USD, (1trillion USD). We will be returning soon to order a further 100,000 or so soon.

End Message.

2nd message,
-encrypted-

To: IN Financial dep
From: H2 FA dep, Section 145 (Foreign Investment)

Greetings,

H2 has recently ordered a number of MBts from your nation. We are pleased to have a nation such as yourself creating such good designs, therefore to aid any Future Development of this or any other military equipment we would like to send to you $100 Billion.

We hope you make good use of these funds, although we do not stipulate what they are for.

End message.

Doom, it goes max. 48mph, as stated in first thread.

Orders confirmed, except Hotdogs2.

Hotdogs2, your support for the nation 'Whittier' in the Maccaabes situation unfortunately means we cannot sell you the tanks. We apologise for any inconvienience.

Doom, it goes max. 48mph, as stated in first thread.

Orders confirmed, except Hotdogs2.

Hotdogs2, your support for the nation 'Whittier' in the Maccaabes situation unfortunately means we cannot sell you the tanks. We apologise for any inconvienience.
OOC: I support Whittier :eek: ? Damn :headbang: , i need to sort that one out...i dont remember that one...which thread was that? Anyway

IC: Vast Principles would like to make another order of 500 IPHA 'Puma' MBTs. We will send you the money upon confirmation, thanyou.

No, $6.8 million for an M1A2 is about accurate.

You really should pay attention to your own sources carefully before posting them.
If you look carefully, the stats show three columns, with the M1/IPM1 on the left, M1A1 in the middle, and M1A2 on the right. The $4,300,000 price is in the middle column. In other words: wrong model.

Also, that M1A1 price is what was stated during the 1st Gulf War. It would be a bit more today.


alright, lets forget about real-life cost

Plenty of people on NS sell the M1A2 for $2.5 - 3 mil due to the fact NS economies are stronger, and populations are higher than the us. And that probably hundreds of thousands if not millions more M1A2s have ben built in NS than in RL, therefore the cost can go down much more and it has :)



OOC: I use http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxlmparser.php for my countrys budget and I add up last years surplus.
u use a 404 page to calculate ure budget?

Hotdogs2: You declared support for Rudolfensia, aka Whittier.

Phoenix Milita: What's wrong with a 404 page? Lol.

OOC: The Puma has been adopted as the main battle tank for the 3rd Foreign Guard - as described here

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7605798#post7605798