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[Somewhere in the Tiberian Sea]
SSN 98 hid under the stormy waves of the Tiberian Sea and submerged to four hundred feet in the cold icy waters. The nose of the nuclear attack submarine pierced the waters as it rapidly increased the depth. SSN 98 continued east on a bearing to get out of the Tiberian Sea. If could successfully escape from the Tiberian Sea it successfully escaped the Macabee Imperial Navy.

SSN 98 was a Toledo class (Type II) nuclear attack submarine, and it was top of the line. Its titanium frame, covered with anachoic tiling, was extremely hard to pierce through, and gave it an extraordinary crush depth, while it made it extremely difficult for active sonar to bounce off the hull - in fact, the anachoic tiling acted as a active sonar absorber. The single screw to the rear of the submarine worked on nuclear propulsion, which gave it an extraordinary life, but it also equipped a MHD propulsion, which could be used in times of combat, making the submarine extremely quiet. The Toledo class SSN had a maximum speed of somewhere near forty knots, although this was rarely used to do the noise of cavitation. The Toledo class SSN also equipped a powerful MRT-3 radar system for periscope depth use, as well as a powerful active sonar, and a well built passive sonar system. Additionally, it had a great LIDAR system, which allowed the submarine to detect enemy presence at close ranges without having to do an active sweep.

This war machine was making its way out of the Tiberian Sea, unbeknownst to the Macabee Imperial Navy. And soon it would wreak havoc...

[Targul Frumos, Imperial Provence of Freemantia]
In the sonar room of the main station for the control of entrace into the naval harbor the sonar room was bustling with activity. As the Grand Admiral, responsible for Targul Frumos, entered the sonar supervisor saluted and began to give his brief, "Sir, we have an unidentified submarine, leaving Targul Frumos. Either someone sent one in without us noticing, or it's one of ours. It's extremely quiet, and we only caught it on passive with one of our submergibles. It escaped our passive, however, sometime after, and it's right now somewhere in the Tiberian Sea. If it's one of ours, we may be dealing with a rougue."

The admiral thought for a second and replied, "Thank you. Back to work." He promptly left to his cabin, where he would make a few phone calls. It took the admiral some thirty minutes to drive back to his cabin (house), which was at the end of the naval base. He would have to relocate soon, because this was simply too far from the main event. Once inside his house he began to make phone calls to the towers and to the other admirals, seeing if they had ordered a submarine to go on duty without telling the port managers. Everyone he called denied it. It was a rougue.

Hoping back in his black Alfa Romeo Spider he hit 225 kilometers per hour and slammed towards the main section of the naval base. As soon as he hit the guards he showed his papers and the guard saluted and let him through. He needed to release this as quickly as possible...if that rogue escaped there was no telling what it could do! Running into the command/control room he began to give orders as soon as he saw the first people come into his view, "Get me online with Admiral Galand!"

The connection was established and the Grand Admiral began to give another set of orders,"I want you to lead a task force of six destroyers, two frigates and a single cruiser, and look for that son of bitch who just went rogue."

The other side of the line didn't really answer, and after some time he replied, "Who went rogue?"

The Grand Admiral grunted, "It looks like on of submarines has gone rogue. It just left, and nobody told it go out. Either the captain is a fucking dumbass, or he wants to get out of here."

Galand again sounded confused, "What would be the point of going rogue? What does he want to prove?"

"I have no clue. But you're going to stop him!"

Galand hesitated and then answered, "Will do, sir."

The theater was set...

OOC: Although this hasn't technically been opened internationally leave an OOC message if you're interested in the RP, and I'll find a way to get you in.

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[Eastern Tiberian Sea]
The Manstein class Destroyer in the Eastern Tiberian Sea, part of an extensive ASW perimeter to protect Targul Frumos, was alerted first of the coming submarine. It immediately turned on its heavy active sonar, sweeping the sea with waves of pings, looking for the submarine. It's captain, Captain Alfredo Megna, knew the potentials of a Toledo. In fact, he used to be a submarine captain, was responsible for the deaths of who knew how many. He knew that the Toledo, if he wasn't careful, could knock his Manstein out of the water. Captain Megan ordered his two MMH-C1 Sea Serpents to start searching the waters, in intervals of thirty minutes each, that way having at least one Sea Serpent in the air at all times. The Sea Serpents would drop sono bouys around the Destroyer, searching over the layer, under the layer, or even deeper than that if necessary.

The searching for the submarine was the longest part of the process, and the Manstein felt it. Over two hours had passed and still nothing. However, things changed quickly after that. The Sea Serpent in the air called into the communications room on the destroyer, "We have a faint reading on the submarine, ten kilometers off. You guys should turn off your active. If you paint yourselves his MT-2s are going to blow you to hell. Scrath it, we have a strong signal on number seven. Request to fire."

The captain walked in, and he was given the report and replied, "Fire at will."

The Sea Serpent dropped it's active sonar MTB-1 anchor into the water and started pinging, searching for a MAD contact. The MTB-1 was reeled back in as the Sea Serpent changed spot and repeated. It was too late. The Sea Serpent dropped its MTB-1 and heard the "splashes".

On board the destroyer the sonar supervisor contacted the captain in his control room through the conn, "Torp in the water, I repeat torp in the water!"

The captain hesitated for a second and then began to yell out his orders to the XO, "Fire two MAT-1s!"

On the deck a single multiple launch mechanism, much like an ASROC, began to active itself as it moved to meet the bearing of the launch coordinates. Seconds later two of the ten launch barrels launched a couple of MAT-1s at the incoming torpedoes. The MAT-1s plopped into the crisp waters of the Tiberian Sea, and began to make turns for 120knots. The MAT-1 was basically a supercavitating torpedo, yet much smaller, designed to maneuver and act as an anti-torpedo. It was thought to be successful, and it had been tested in wars before - now would come the real test. What was heading for the destroyer were two MT-2 super cavitating torpedos, making turns for 200 knots. With a Alumina Formula Nickel Based water ramjet it could take the intense pressure and carry a 200kg hull piercing warhead. If they hit the destroyer would go through hell. The first MT-2 was blasted out of the water by one of the MAT-1s, but the second MAT-1 failed to reach its target. The remaining MT-2 began to actively ping for its target soon enough and the destroyer was on a countdown.

All the while, when the submarine make its active sweep to fire its torpedoes, the Sea Serpent caught it, "Time to say bye-bye you son of a bitch". The Sea Serpent took advantage of the MAD contact and dropped a single Mk 50 torpedo into the water, nose first, using a chute to make sure of it. The torpedo plopped into the water...

[On the SSN]
"Torpedo in the water! Making turns for sixty!"

The smart captain of the rogue sub new the capabilities of the Toledo class SSN and snuffed that the helo had made such a stupid move. As the Mk50 neared he ordered the sub rigged for depthcharge. He fired a single MAT-1 at the slow MK50, and the torp was exploded quiet easily. Following this the submarine began a quick dive to three hundred meters depth.

[On the Destroyer]
Another MAT-1 was fired to contend with the MT-2, and the incoming SuCav was destroyed. The crew of the destroyer sighed with relief that their end had been stopped. The destroyer turned off active and began to listen for the submarine on passive. It also began to sprint and drift in wide arcs around the thought position of the submarine, using both the Sea Serpents this time to search for the little bastard.

[SSN 98]
The submarine had dove quiet quickly to avoid the Macabee destroyer. Although he had fired two torpedoes at the Manstein class destroyer he did not want to destroy it. Had he wanted to destroy it he would have launched more torpedoes. He had an unlimited reserve of any ordnance he wated. A armaments ship based off a current conflict far east of Freemantia was awaiting the arrival of SSN 98. The admiral there had been told that it was SSN 36, one of ten destined to be there for operations around the civil conflict over there. However, he still had a long way to go for that to happen, and even that would be tricky. He was sure that the admiral of that small task force had already been warned of the rouge submarine.

Once SSN 98 had hit a depth of thre hundred meters it changed to MHD drive, which made it much quieter, albeit much slower. However, this allowed the Toledo class submarine to escape the ASW deathtrap around the Macabee perimeter, although he knew that the Macabees had ways of catching MHD drive. In about two hours SSN 98 would be homefree and would make its way to be re-supplied, hopefully. If the captain was right there would be nothing between him and his new supplies. But in case their was the captain always had his remaning twenty MT-2s, three MAT-1s, and and six Principe IIIs.

So, the powerful SSN curved through the chilly waters of the Eastern Tiberian Sea, and soon reached the unnamed, and untammed, ocean which spread for thousands of kilometers, where nobody knew each other's name. And so SSN 98 made its way to history; soon enough it would be history.

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Advanced Warning to All Who Care
The Macabee government has officially released the fact of the existance of a rouge Macabee nuclear attack submarine. This submarine is nuclear propelled, with MHD drive, however carries no nuclear weapons onboard. SSN98, the official designation of this target, is termed to be extremely dangerous, so fleets beware.

We wish to stress the fact that we have no clue where this submarine is going, and why. So, subsequently, this warning goes to all nations.

Thank you,
[signed]Emperor Jonathan VI

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OCC: Time for Round 4. Big post to come tomorow. This is just a glorified tag.

IC:

The Helmsteen trudged through the waters. It was regular patrol, as per usual. Moving along at a pleaseant 15 knots, the skipper was going no where in a hurry. They'd just spent a happy two weeks in the port city of Halbrit, and the crew was still on the high any person would get from two weeks of partying. But with high spirits often come low attention spans. Nonetheless, it didn't take an acute crewmen to hear the obnoxious siren, a call to battlestations. Jospeh Parlog scanned the transmission once more. The simple patrol had turned into a combat situations.

Encypted Transmission, CRS Helmsteen
Macabees submarine SSN98 has recently been announced as a rogue ship. Plans to requisition Macabees technology has long since been a goal of CommunismReivisited-. As such, the Helmsteen, in cooperation with other fleet assets in the area are to seek out the SSN98, cripple the ship, and then await the arrival of a salvage team. Should the need arise, the Helmsteen is authorized to fully terminate the vessel. Last known position of the sub has been directly transmited to navigational systems aboard the Helmsteen.

Staring down once more at the coordinates, Captain Parlog reassured himself it was the right call for battlestations. The last known coordinates were a mere 58 kilometers off of the Helmsteens current locations...

[Re-Supply]
SSN98 was tugged right up to the armament ship, and was quickly supplied. The armament ship was quick. It was heading home after using its last supplies for the two massive carriers which were currently brewed up in constant missions over the warzone, and against enemy fleets operating in the area. There were also ten other Toledos heading towards the same area, with the same technology. SSN98 had to watch out. The full load out that SSN98 would have would include were twenty MT-2 Super Cavitating torpedoes, five MAT-1s, and six Principe IIIs. It took some forty minutes to resupply using the hydrolic crane system on the other ship. It was done beautifully, and the crew to the submarine were especially happy that it was done so fast. Pretty soon the other ships would start snopping around, investigating the situation, and if it was found out that this was SSN98 missiles and torpedoes would start flying around, and things would turn ugly.

After the resupply SSN98 quickly slipped back under the waves of the dark blue seas, hitting a depth of four hundred feet, and moved towards the coasts of AutoMagFreek (wow, this should be a big warning, depending on the results of the fight with CR). The sharp nose of the big Toledo slicing through the beads of water as it made turns for thirty knots. Once it got out of the general area it would lower its velocity to a general sprint and drift speed of fifteen knots. It was ready to slow down, though, enough to take out its TB-16, and TB-23, towed array sonars, and invistage any area which needed investigating.

On board the captain went to his cabin to get some much needed sleep. If he was lucky there would be nothing between AutoMagFreek and him, and he could start wreaking some havoc. After he had given control of the submarine to his executive officer he walked down the short hallway, stocked up high with food (making him crawl, or crouch, is some secionts), and he began to think to himself. What had he done? He had taken the best crew, or he thought the best crew, to their possible deaths, most likely, just to start, and complete, what the Macabee government was too afraid to do by themselves. He was going to sink some AutoMagFreek shipping, wether merchant, civilian, or military. He was going to show to the world that AutoMagFreek could be a target, and could be scathed. Hopefully, he pushed the world to throw themselves away from the unholy grasps of AutoMagFreek. He walked into his cabin, and he sat on his nice comfortable bed. His thoughts went away as his eyelids closed, slowly...

OOC: {TAG}

Dead...man...walking.....

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The Helmsteen was moving. Loudly. It certainly wasn't suggested by the handbook, but the Helmsteen was using a bit of an unorthodox tactic. The Barbos class sub wasn't the newst model on the block. In a game of pure detection, he might very well pass the sub up. If SSN98 didn't come looking for trouble, Parlog might never find it.

So Parlog was forcing the Macabees sub in a way. They would ping him with active, no one would miss such a target. The Macabees and CommunismRevisited- certainly weren't on the friendliest terms. The commander, a Macabees citizen once, would know where this sub originated once he picked up the first traces of the sub. He would try and move in for a shot. The CRS Helmsteen had been built as a patrol sub however, Parlog was confident he could take the commander in pure submarine combat. Parlog was coming up on 26 years experience. He knew what he was doing.

Strip down the Macabees fancy tech, and they were all piss-poor sailors at heart, or so the propoganda taugh em'.

If the Helmsteen did reach its target destination without any active pings though, a new plan would have to be worked out. Knowing rogue submarine captains, he could probably just follow the trail of plunder and destruction...

OCC: If I remember, the first time we did this you were the one coming after me. when I blew up Canada's stuff.

OOC: You've moved into Arda. Congratulations! You are now FORCED into dealing with all things Magic, Supernatural, Unexplained, Fantasy-Based, Space-Based, Future-Based, Past-Based, and Present-Based. All your "rules" and "policies" regarding such in your own nation are NULL when attacking Arda, as the rules regarding what can happen in our region are ours. By attacking Arda, you agree that that all previous biases and technicalities regarding space-based, future-based, magic-based, psychic-based, and fantasy-based realities are nullified, and our rules regarding them are now law to you, which you will agree with.

IC: Air Elementals were working with Water Elementals to Gauge the Threat Upon the Sea. This "Thing" which they had never seen before, as Arda had little in the way of a modern navy, had immediately been reported back to Gaia's Chosen within the Golden Grove in how to deal with this thread.

The Oligarchy had decided to play around with it a little more. The First Among Water informed that he only wanted 2 Water Elementals to waist their time on it, and to make it fun. SPeaking closely with the Air, his orders on how to do so were clear.

Within the House, the Submarine would find itself being host to more and more sea animals. Namely large whales and schools of dolphins & sharks which would be hovering around the Submarine in droves. Their endless songs would be enough to drive their SONAR to uselessness and squealings echo endlessly within the halls. THey weren't getting violent, but the animals weren't going to leave anytime soon. Their density of population would cause the ship's velocity to slow down to but a halt.

Above the sky, the Air would be becoming quickly grey, and the atmosphere's humidity was increasing. THe Wind was picking up fast, and a storm front was forming. The cooperation between the Air and water was quickly forming a hurricane above the Submarine's location. Giving a bull's-eye to where it is, no matter the depth.

This was why no one with a working brain tried to attack Arda...

OOC: You've moved into Arda. Congratulations! You are now FORCED into dealing with all things Magic, Supernatural, Unexplained, Fantasy-Based, Space-Based, Future-Based, Past-Based, and Present-Based. All your "rules" and "policies" regarding such in your own nation are NULL when attacking Arda, as the rules regarding what can happen in our region are ours. By attacking Arda, you agree that that all previous biases and technicalities regarding space-based, future-based, magic-based, psychic-based, and fantasy-based realities are nullified, and our rules regarding them are now law to you, which you will agree with.

IC: Air Elementals were working with Water Elementals to Gauge the Threat Upon the Sea. This "Thing" which they had never seen before, as Arda had little in the way of a modern navy, had immediately been reported back to Gaia's Chosen within the Golden Grove in how to deal with this thread.

The Oligarchy had decided to play around with it a little more. The First Among Water informed that he only wanted 2 Water Elementals to waist their time on it, and to make it fun. SPeaking closely with the Air, his orders on how to do so were clear.

Within the House, the Submarine would find itself being host to more and more sea animals. Namely large whales and schools of dolphins & sharks which would be hovering around the Submarine in droves. Their endless songs would be enough to drive their SONAR to uselessness and squealings echo endlessly within the halls. THey weren't getting violent, but the animals weren't going to leave anytime soon. Their density of population would cause the ship's velocity to slow down to but a halt.

Above the sky, the Air would be becoming quickly grey, and the atmosphere's humidity was increasing. THe Wind was picking up fast, and a storm front was forming. The cooperation between the Air and water was quickly forming a hurricane above the Submarine's location. Giving a bull's-eye to where it is, no matter the depth.

This was why no one with a working brain tried to attack Arda...
OOC: No offense or anything, He may only accept modern or whatever tech he is, as I remember, Free form Roleplay allows you to choose what tech you can use and what can attack you, meaning around the same tech level +/- 10 or so years, I mean no offense to you, but dictating the rules of what someone has to accept iss against the basics of free form roleplay unless previously decided upon by the main combatants, TAG, AMF whatever you need, you get, and also hopefully you accept about 500 or so planes that need combat trials...(only 2 types but 500 total)...

Out of Character:

High Orcs

1. I'm not in Arda just yet. As you can easily deduct from the ongoing RP I'm going to spiel with CommunismRevisited- for now.

2. How the hell do you know that my submarine is there?

3. No, I'm not going to play with your little magical dolphins - I'm sorry to ruin your fun.


AutoMafFreek

Are you implying that I'm a dead man walking, or that the submarine is a dead man walking? Because if it's the former that's very poor sportmanship, and that's not a character of a good RPer, which I had a feeling you were.

Somebody Else
Im going to attack a random merchant ship which I just invented. If someone can take it as theirs and RP something - to create a "trail of plunder" for CommunistRevisited-. Thanks. If nobody RPs it, I guess it just happens..and nobody cares about it.

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In Character:

[Somewhere in the expansive ocean]
SSN98 moved at ten knots and soon enough the Poseidon passive caught something moving. The captain was called from his cabin with all haste, and he moved with an equal ardor towards the sonar room. He stepped in and the men rushed up and saluted. He saluted in return and all men went back to their original places. The sonar supervisor then walked up and saluted the captain. The captain looked attentively, "yes?"

The sonar supervisor was quick, but precise, "We caught a fairly large craft making turns for sixteen knots. It's coming alone, we think. It's most probably a merchant ship. What do you think?"

The captain listened and replied, "I think that you should go back to your post." With that stern reply the captain did an about face and moved towards his commands room. His XO was waiting for him. The captain began to give out orders, "Bring her up to one-five-zero feet. Turn rudder right four-five degrees."

The Toledo class SSN moved to the left as the rudder moved right at the wanted angle and soon enough the submarine was in position to intercept the poor merchant ship in the way. The captain murmured to himself, "Looks like I'm going to have a little fun announcing myself to the world."

Five minutes later...

"LOAD TUBES ONE AND TWO WITH MT-2s!"

"Aye captain, tubes one and two loading with MT-2s!"

The captain waited for his tubes to be loaded, and soon enough, two of eight fowards tubes were loaded. From ten thousand yards the captain went to his sonar room and called for the unthinkable in combat. "Give me an active sweep! One wave!" The 'ping' moved foward throught the permeable waterline and resonated on the hull of the coming merchant ship. The time clock started counting, "Ready tubes one and two in all respects! Open outer doors!"

"Aye sir, tubes one and two open is all respects! Outer doors opened!"

"Fire tubes 1 and 2 at Master 2!"

"Aye sir, tubes 1 and 2 fired! Torpedoes running straight and normal!"

The MT-2s began to super cavitate and make turns for 200knots as they swooshed through the water towards the unprotected merchant ship. The captain ordered the sub to raise to periscope depth so that he could see the explosion on a zoomed periscope. As soon as the submarine was in place he raised periscope and looked as the torpedoes made their way towards the ships. Soon enough an explosion ripped through the bow of the merchant ship - maybe some ten thousand tonelage - and the boat bounced out of the water. Then the second torpedo hit smack dab in the center and within thirty seconds of impact the merchant ship cracked in half, and sunk.

SSN98 automatically dived down to four hundred feet and began back on their trek at ten knots...

OOC: I was refering to your little sub, I didn't think I'd have to go into great detail in OOC posts regarding the content of IC posts, but I guess I was wrong. :rolleyes:

Out of Character:

High Orcs

1. I'm not in Arda just yet. As you can easily deduct from the ongoing RP I'm going to spiel with CommunismRevisited- for now.




OOC: Content such as this....

He was going to sink some AutoMagFreek shipping, wether merchant, civilian, or military. He was going to show to the world that AutoMagFreek could be a target, and could be scathed. Hopefully, he pushed the world to throw themselves away from the unholy grasps of AutoMagFreek. He walked into his cabin, and he sat on his nice comfortable bed. His thoughts went away as his eyelids closed, slowly...

...can easily lead one to assume that you are going after me. If this is between you and CR, then perhaps this should have been left out until later.

OOC: No content such as...

CR's pretty long post explaining that he was hunting my sub... it's not like I'm going to ignore him.

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Encrypted Data Burst; CRS Helmsteen
Suspected contact with SSN98 at 49 E098 N. Proceed with persuit of submarine. All ROE is nullified until fullfillment of mission.

The crew had long since stood down from battle stations. Parlog, seeing no need to rouse the crew relayed the message to navigation. The Helmsteen tilted to the right, readjusting for the new course.

The sky was dark, and reports indicated rain. That would be good. Winds and rain interfered with sonar performance. Parlog had long scratched the idea of attracting SSN98's attention. He now had a definite coordinate. A solid point. He would find SSN98. And then all the fancy systems in the world wouldn't save the sub.

Out of Character:

High Orcs

1. I'm not in Arda just yet. As you can easily deduct from the ongoing RP I'm going to spiel with CommunismRevisited- for now.

2. How the hell do you know that my submarine is there?

3. No, I'm not going to play with your little magical dolphins - I'm sorry to ruin your fun.

1. Like AMF Said, your post implied you were in his waters and looking to cause his nation havoc. As of last week, AMF is now attached to the Continental region of Arda, and as such, his international waters are under the Jurisdiction of Regional Defense, whom I am (which is different than the Jurisdiction of Regional Deterrence, which is everyone else). Arda is heavily protected by an Elemental Grid, which allows me to have vast knowledge of 80% of all things that occur in the Land, Air, or Sea. It also allows me to intercept and block all electronic frequencies, and control water, the ground, the weather, and the wind to use to my advantage in making sure that whatever would try to stand against Arda on it's own soil would be shown the fool that they are and regret it for the rest of what little life left they have.

2. There are 300 Water Elementals currently focusing on the Outer Areas of Greater Arda, focusing mainly on the Northwest and Eastern Shores of Arda (If you approached by the South or Southeast, then Kalessin would have destroyed you long before I'd even catch a glimpse). They are able to communicate with every living sea animal, as well as navigate the waters at phenomenal speeds without friction. They have an incredible sense of underwater senses. It'd take less than an hour for a submarine to be caught because Frankly, Arda doesn't have much in the ways of Submarines. I don't actually think there are any (none have been mentioned yet!), so huge things underwater would get a very quick notice.

3. The Dolphins, Whales, and Sharks have been summoned to play there. What the true purpose of them is yet to be known. If you dare actually threaten Arda through submarining, they will return to cause minor havoc on your SONAR, and then much worse. They're not 'magical,' they're regular sea animals. The High Orcish Clan of the Golden Sky has made the Ardan Environment incredibly lovely, and have taken extreme efforts to purify and repopulate aquatic ecosystems, the same can be said for the tertiery biomes.

1. Like AMF Said, your post implied you were in his waters and looking to cause his nation havoc. As of last week, AMF is now attached to the Continental region of Arda, and as such, his international waters are under the Jurisdiction of Regional Defense, whom I am (which is different than the Jurisdiction of Regional Deterrence, which is everyone else). Arda is heavily protected by an Elemental Grid, which allows me to have vast knowledge of 80% of all things that occur in the Land, Air, or Sea. It also allows me to intercept and block all electronic frequencies, and control water, the ground, the weather, and the wind to use to my advantage in making sure that whatever would try to stand against Arda on it's own soil would be shown the fool that they are and regret it for the rest of what little life left they have.

2. There are 300 Water Elementals currently focusing on the Outer Areas of Greater Arda, focusing mainly on the Northwest and Eastern Shores of Arda (If you approached by the South or Southeast, then Kalessin would have destroyed you long before I'd even catch a glimpse). They are able to communicate with every living sea animal, as well as navigate the waters at phenomenal speeds without friction. They have an incredible sense of underwater senses. It'd take less than an hour for a submarine to be caught because Frankly, Arda doesn't have much in the ways of Submarines. I don't actually think there are any (none have been mentioned yet!), so huge things underwater would get a very quick notice.

3. The Dolphins, Whales, and Sharks have been summoned to play there. What the true purpose of them is yet to be known. If you dare actually threaten Arda through submarining, they will return to cause minor havoc on your SONAR, and then much worse. They're not 'magical,' they're regular sea animals. The High Orcish Clan of the Golden Sky has made the Ardan Environment incredibly lovely, and have taken extreme efforts to purify and repopulate aquatic ecosystems, the same can be said for the tertiery biomes.

OOC: Well, a fair few Wazzu submarines operate out of a small part of Arda, one I tend to think of as barren (likely the only barren area...but that is really not my call). Not that they ever threaten Ardan interests...but I'd imagine said elementals would have lots of practice finding large artificial things under water.

As far as FFRP rules go, the door swings both ways. For people to play in FFRP, they must agree to recognize each other. Just as The Macabees might choose not to recognize Ardan nations' magic, those nations might choose not to recognize The Macabees' attack.

I suggest the main players create an OOC thread and come to an agreement before this promising RP disintigrates into a flamefest.

OOC: Well, a fair few Wazzu submarines operate out of a small part of Arda, one I tend to think of as barren (likely the only barren area...but that is really not my call). Not that they ever threaten Ardan interests...but I'd imagine said elementals would have lots of practice finding large artificial things under water.

As far as FFRP rules go, the door swings both ways. For people to play in FFRP, they must agree to recognize each other. Just as The Macabees might choose not to recognize Ardan nations' magic, those nations might choose not to recognize The Macabees' attack.

I suggest the main players create an OOC thread and come to an agreement before this promising RP disintigrates into a flamefest.

Yours are *allowed*

If you want to know why, why don't you bump up our little thread?
Would you rather me do it?

Also, only by ignoring us, is he setting himself within his own pocket dimension. We're not the ones to take a fall if someone else doesn't know what the hell they're getting themselves into. It's not like our region isn't almost clearly public notice to anything we do or how we handle things. We have a policy of making everything we do as public as possible, with regards to OOC knowledge of goings' on. WHile we used to have an Off-site regional BBS, and while our alliance has one as well, they're not used at all, except when we enjoy debates about Mortal Kombat & Soul Calibur (As well as progress of my ginormous map project!).

OOC: Wazzu, I'll role play with your submarines. I'm sure AutoMagFreek has a submarine force, as well as a fairly large naval (EDIT: typo) force. But I refuse to role play with magic or elements of nature that are contrallable by some fantasy nation. That's just how I role play. I'm not ignoring anybody, only magic. Should High Orcs decide to send out some real submarines, which with the time he has in between me and CommunistRevisited- duking it out, I would be happy to role play with him.

But just as modern nations don't role play with future nations, I, as a modern nation, refuse to role play with fantastical circumstances. It is my rights as a role player.

If what you say is anywhere near sane then next time someone attacks me they're forced to deal with future nations also. No, as the RPer's right, they have a choice to not role play with future nations. And I, as a good RPer, would respect that. Now I ask you, as a good RPer, to do the same.

*tag* I'll read this later.

OOC: Wazzu, I'll role play with your submarines. I'm sure AutoMagFreek has a submarine force, as well as a fairly large naval (EDIT: typo) force. But I refuse to role play with magic or elements of nature that are contrallable by some fantasy nation. That's just how I role play. I'm not ignoring anybody, only magic. Should High Orcs decide to send out some real submarines, which with the time he has in between me and CommunistRevisited- duking it out, I would be happy to role play with him.

But just as modern nations don't role play with future nations, I, as a modern nation, refuse to role play with fantastical circumstances. It is my rights as a role player.

If what you say is anywhere near sane then next time someone attacks me they're forced to deal with future nations also. No, as the RPer's right, they have a choice to not role play with future nations. And I, as a good RPer, would respect that. Now I ask you, as a good RPer, to do the same.

OOC: Then I'm sorry, but you can't attack Arda.

You cannot dictate how we defend ourselves.

I interact with all nations of all genres, I don't care. I work things out.

OOC: Wazzu, I'll role play with your submarines. I'm sure AutoMagFreek has a submarine force, as well as a fairly large naval (EDIT: typo) force. But I refuse to role play with magic or elements of nature that are contrallable by some fantasy nation. That's just how I role play. I'm not ignoring anybody, only magic. Should High Orcs decide to send out some real submarines, which with the time he has in between me and CommunistRevisited- duking it out, I would be happy to role play with him.

But just as modern nations don't role play with future nations, I, as a modern nation, refuse to role play with fantastical circumstances. It is my rights as a role player.

If what you say is anywhere near sane then next time someone attacks me they're forced to deal with future nations also. No, as the RPer's right, they have a choice to not role play with future nations. And I, as a good RPer, would respect that. Now I ask you, as a good RPer, to do the same.

OOC: I hate to contribute to the death of this thread...but to a degree, High-Orcs is right. Just as he can not dictate that you recognize his magic, you can't dictate that he recognize your threat to his nation.

My suggestion is that if the two of you can't come to terms with each other, then you just avoid RPing with each other.

Notice I didn't use the term "ignore." There are a lot of people I don't play with who I don't ignore.

To Ardan nations, a rogue submarine might not be much of a threat, and to your rogue commander, Arda might not be considered a worthwhile target. I hope you guys can leave it be and let this RP continue as if Arda didn't exist.