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The Republic of Kyanges would like to make a move to place its own weapons systems in to space. However, Kyanges currently lacks the nessesary technology to launch such an endevour. Are there any modern or post modern tech nations that can offer any sort energy weapons technology that can adapted to a space platform?

OOC: Actually My real question should probably be, is this sort of thing considered modern tech, or future tech? Or does it depend on the system?

OOC: Depends on the system. If you have massive plasma cannons with cold-fusion power plants and energy shields around the platforms, expect to be future tech. If you just have a space-based laser or particle beam that can only kill launch vehicles (including ICBMs) and satellites, you will still be modern tech. At the most, possibly near-future tech.

IC: The Orbital Colonies of New Exodus recommends to the government of Kyanges that they shie away from the development of orbital weapons. However, should Kyanges have a valid fear that their civilian populace is in danger of space-based attack from nations of equal or superior technology, New Exodus is willing to supply limited assistance in the development of defensive weaponry.

The Kyanges Government greatly apprieciates New Exodus's willingness to assist our fledging military space program.

There is indeed a valid threat against Kyanges from another nation with space based weapons technology, and rather superior technology to our own.

There has been a dangerous arms build up between Kyanges and the Empire of Tanthan. While there have been efforts to try and improve relations between our governments and we now stand in a rather shaky alliance, however, they seem to remain in a paranoid state that we may attack with our air forces at any moment. (Our Air Force being the only area in which we are superior to them.)

At the moment Tanthan has built a rather extensive network of orbital directed energy weapons satellites. They claim that the network is in their defense, but I believe they may be building their defenses in preparation to launch a preemtive strike to knock Kyanges out of the picture.

We would apprieciate any assistance you may be able to provide to help us counter their increasingly threatening military space capabilities.

Technology, in the fields of:
-launch platforms (Technology in reusable launch platforms is prefered)
-directed energy weapons
-energy generation to increase the power of any developed weapon systems
-micro satellites (Which may be our only viable option against their network)
-technology in energy weapon defenses (if such a field exists)


OOC: Thanks for that little bit of info. But lets say that you have a weapon capable of striking and severly damaging ground targets.
(Hmmm, maybe as a reference, that Icarus system in that 007 movie.)

OOC: I knew it! You were plotting against me this whole time! Why are you being so aggressive against me? You have your bombers and your jets and I have my massive 300,000 anti-air weapons to protect my islands (land doesn't come a threat BEFORE they land) These cannons aren't even meant for you, why would I build up so much long range weapons if I was going to fight an air war with you? Frankly I now have a good reason to suspect you are plotting my downfall!

Any and all artillery are absolutely useless against you anyways with what I think your forces are. These weapons are part of a classfied large scale attack on Anubis Coalition 1's bases should we find them, 110 particle beam cannons, 10 huge battleships, 10 massive missle cruisers, 220 B-52's, and a large array of artillery from MLRS to the Oracles I recently purchased. How stupid would I have to be to throw all this against your air armada, sure I could bomb the crap out of you IF they made it, but the target is not you.

OOC: I personally use my own network of kinetic rod satellites to project power, but it's ridiculously inefficient and cost-unfriendly to use them on anything excluding massive troop congregations and major cities.

OOC: Heh, aren't those the targets that everyone wants anyway? :D

FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

Greetings! My name is Nathan Bradley, and I have been assigned by the New Exodus Peacekeeping Command to be your "caseworker," if you will. My job is to analyze the situation in your region, assess military and political tensions, and above all, attempt to prevent the loss of life from any involved parties.

So, I would appreciate if the governments of Kyanges and Tanthan would each give me their version of the history between the two countries, and present reasons as to why or why not aid should be given to Kyanges.

Thank you,

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM

lmao, ya I wish my artillery had such easy targets!

FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

Greetings! My name is Nathan Bradley, and I have been assigned by the New Exodus Peacekeeping Command to be your "caseworker," if you will. My job is to analyze the situation in your region, assess military and political tensions, and above all, attempt to prevent the loss of life from any involved parties.

So, I would appreciate if the governments of Kyanges and Tanthan would each give me their version of the history between the two countries, and present reasons as to why or why not aid should be given to Kyanges.

Thank you,

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM


----Message to Nathan Bradley of the NE P-COM----

----Kyanges Department of Foreign Affairs----

Originally, when the nations of Kyanges and Tanthan were first formed, they were rather shaky allies from the start. While they shared the same region and even gave each other info on either army's strength.
However, as both nations and armies grew more powerfull, there began a rather friendly competition, on economic and military strength. Still, while both were still allies, mistrust had already begun to grow between the two. The once friendly reports grew into hostile challeges almost like a childish "Beat THAT!".

From the start Kyanges had a small edge against Tanthan in almost every respect. However, Tanthan began a masive program to increase his military strength almost four fold. This build up wasn't directed at Kaynges, but rather another hostile power, but the build up had the same affect on Kyanges. Horror, fell over Kyanges as the once benevolent Tanthan Empire grew into an industrial, economic and military powerhouse with an eye towards simply outdoing Kyanges in all respects. From an ideal democracy into what is now labeled by the UN as a Psychotic Dictatorship.
In fear, and in defense of its democratic ideals, Kyanges attempted to build its own powerfull army just in case Tanthan's gavoernment ever lost whatever little sanity it still posessed.

Since then, military spending has consumed nearly half of both our economies and with further growth in site. The latest outgrowth in the competition has now reached in to space, as Tanthan builds a strong presence around the Earth in the form of a large network of Particle weapon satellites, while Kyanges lies powerless to act if this network were ever emplyed against it.

Tanthan has also invested heavily in a nuclear program and delivery systems that will be unstopable without Kyanges posesses its own Network of defensive satellites.

While Kyanges still sells to Tanthan, some of its own military technology, Such transfers are in the interest of gaining trust with Tanthan, and a carefull eye is put towards assuring that any military hardware or information sold to Tanthan will pose no threat if there is an attempt to use them against Kyanges.

In all cases of military advances and build ups, Tanthan has continued to insist that they are in the best interests of both Kyanges and Tanthan. However, there have been various two faced actions by the Tanthan government, such as the outright copying of lists of production rights interests that Kyanges has issued to certain storefronts, seemingly in an effort to show that they can easliy match Kyanges even in this field.
While kyanges has done this to certain Tanthan orders, Kyanges has deleted such copied orders in an effort to show to Tanthan that, while we are also fully capable of matching Tanthan in miltary spending as well, we choose not to. While Tanthan still lays is copied orders out in the open.

We hope that you Nathan Bradley, will be able see through the Tanthanian Governments shceme and assist Kyanges in neutralizing this threat to Kyanges's security and sovereignty, either by peaceful means or by simply wearing Tanthan out in this competition by forcing them to stretch too far in their efforts to prove their superiority to Kyanges,and Kyanges's inferiority to them.

---End Message---

Representing the interest of the International Fleet and the Orbital Guard of the IFDI we strong urge you to disarm your space programs and limit your missions in space to peaceful, scientific interest.

The International Fleet is prepare to compensate any nation that disarms generously - and Luna I is prepared to allow your space program designers and mission specialist to the Orbital Insittutes of Technology in joint research initiatives pending your cooperation.

Our citizens in space however take such armed space programs as a grave, clear and present danger to thier immediate well being and they are in an uproar for my administration to pass proposals through to the International Fleet council for orbital intervention operations if you are not willing to come to a reasonable and peaceful agreement.

OOC: Are those Home World Ships?
I don't think that we'll be much of a threat to you if you if you're at THAT level... :(

IC: The Republic of Kyanges understand such concerns for the well being of its citizens as Kyanges now sees a space based threat from Tanthan.
If you are able to compensate generously, then we suggest you attempt to convince Tanthan to take up on your offer. Remember, Kyanges currently posesses no such capability to project any respectable degree of power in space. At the moment, only Tanthan posesses such capabilities.

In any case, we are quite interested in the oppurtunity for our brightest minds to enter the Orbital Insittutes of Technology and in joint research initiatives.

The Republic of Kyanges would like to make a move to place its own weapons systems in to space. However, Kyanges currently lacks the nessesary technology to launch such an endevour. Are there any modern or post modern tech nations that can offer any sort energy weapons technology that can adapted to a space platform?

OOC: Actually My real question should probably be, is this sort of thing considered modern tech, or future tech? Or does it depend on the system?


Although we are not willing to change our laws on exchanging or supplying combat systems to non-member nations beyond the International Fleet Council - the invite to join the IF stands for any nation interested in the peaceful exploration of space and the scientific research and development involved in furthering that cause. In turn member nations fall under the protection of the International Fleet's Orbital Guard and it's defense initiatives - a wellfunded force with global reach and rapid response capabilities.

We extend the invite to all nations including Tanthan and Kyanges - if you agree to the minimal terms of disarming your space programs and a small IF tax on your GDP you would fall under our protection and you would finally after so many years of military buildups and cold war be able to turn your attention to more advantageous issues like education and commerce. Join us, disarm and we will guaruntee both of your nations security and the oppurtunity to join us in the robust manned exploration of our solar system.

OOC: Are those Home World Ships?
I don't think that we'll be much of a threat to you if you if you're at THAT level... :(

IC: The Republic of Kyanges understand such concerns for the well being of its citizens as Kyanges now sees a space based threat from Tanthan.
If you are able to compensate generously, then we suggest you attempt to convince Tanthan to take up on your offer. Remember, Kyanges currently posesses no such capability to project any respectable degree of power in space. At the moment, only Tanthan posesses such capabilities.

In any case, we are quite interested in the oppurtunity for our brightest minds to enter the Orbital Insittutes of Technology and in joint research initiatives.

OOC::I did use those pics but our techbase isnt anywhere nearly as advanced as the HW universe - I just like the way thier ships look.

IC::We would be happy to host your space science programs and happy to function as an extension of your nations public research university systems

Even though you donot have an as extensive space program as other member nations of the IF we still welcome you to spply for membership if you can accept the minima of our terms.

IC:

We wish to declare that Tanthan is not aggressive to Kyanges at all, but we will not disarm or reduce/slow our arms gains. If anything when we fire all of the satellites into earth orbit we will end our current space defensive systems and turn back to our civilian projects, but under current conditions even from Kyanges we are still unable to disarm. We are also launching our ballistic missile defense satellites since the enemy is a far larger country then us and has though capabilites.

The war currently at hand is to protect our militaristic influence as a customer of Blacktower who has fallen under attack by Anubis Coalition 1. Since the enemy is hiding we are going to spend more of our military budget on intelligence, attack jets, huge bombers and long-range artillery, along with a stockpiling of chemical and biological weapons.

Currently our nuclear program yields no nuclear weapons, though by all means we certainly do have the requirements met to produce them in large numbers. This is our act of peace to Kyanges in an effort to show that we will not use the most destructive weapons the world has known. (Currently if we launched a rocket filled with all of our uranium in a huge bomb, like a Saturn V rocket, the explosion would be equal to 4 gigatons of dynamite)

Technology is our strengths, military is second, our schools come in behind that. The first tension between our nations occured when we reached space. Having thrown ten billion in funding to start our space program we reached a technological break-through and took a more isolationist view on the region, after having been denied back into the region and suffering a horrible economic depression in which our booming industry was cut down to a less then average industry. Kyanges boasting of a thriving economy kept us out of the region and tensions increased even more when his economy suffered a huge hit reducing it to my level of economic strength. Fearing that the economy was far too unstable we cut government spending and put it towards the military. The huge surplus we see fit to distribute as needed to our whims as political issues changed.

We have currently entered a new phase in our nation's history, a massive flying fortress, with a massive palace on it to over see the Empire, it is basically impossible to destroy by ICBMs due to its ability to move and shoot them down. The platform in which it will be built on will take 40 NS years and is currently going to be watched by Xessmithian Construction and Research Database as proof that this is a long-term project. Thread link = http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370222

Upon completion of this project it will usher in a new age of exploration, with the nation safe and secure from enemies space exploration and colonization will be the major part of the budget as our religon supports. We would like to join you Luna I, but the defense and security of the Empire and its people comes first. We will pay the tax requested, but disarming our weapons will cost us millions of lives if we should be attacked.

Tanthan, build a second one of these oh so uber flying fortresses. Kyanges will dontate funds into speeding R&D, and we'll both be even.
Except the fact that the ABL I'm selling already can shoot down ICBMs...

Argh, you see how wierd this alliance is?

Luna I, I believe that we and Tanthan both wish to enter the International Fleet. What is the tax? (How much?)

OOC: 2 OMG! These cost hundreds of billions to even begin to produce, we will not be able to build a second one of these huge fortresses until over a year(RL) passes, even then it will be a massive draw on it to even produce a copy, but if we do make another it will be a space one, or a 100x larger one for earth.

OOC: If I was really evil, I'd just sell AA weapons to Tanthan, and anti-ballistic missile platforms to Kyanges. But I really want to help, so...

IC:
FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

Well, both of you present an excellent case for your nations. It is quite possible that New Exodus may be able to assist both of you in maintaining security, as well as healing the rift between your two countries. There are still some questions I would like answered, however.

What is the threat level posed by the Anubis Coalition, and does it apply to both your nations, or only Tanthan?

Is Tanthan's manufacture of NBC weapons necessary to defend against the Anubis Coalition, and why?

Would the government of Kyanges be willing to offer the assistance of its air corp. in the war against the Anubis Coalition?

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM

OOC: Lol, if you did that, the moment we'd figure it out, :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

IC: The Anubis Coalition isn't much of a threat, but lol, anyone on our side would say the same. The threat is really towards both of our interests, so Tanthan and Kyanges have kept true to their alliance with each other in this matter.

About our Air Force, Kyanges currently employs a limited amount of Air support in the form of air lifts for supplies and some fighter support for maintaining air superiority. but in the most recent air engagements, we have stayed out of them. We also have a small team of special forces there too, but they are currently under orders to stay low. To be honest, I think that our participation level now is so low, Kyanges probably won't be allowed a say in the treaty terms when this is all over.

About Tanthans weapons, I'd say that he just loves overkill. ~_~ But that's for him to say.

OOC: I have both of those lol, my AA defenses total over 300,000 all together, we need anti-ballistic if anything...

IC:

Kyanges has seemed to virtually drop out of the war and leaving matters to me and the other allies.

Anubis Coalition as of yet known possesses no space technology, low air power, some ground forces, and weak troops, and POSSIBLE nuclear weapons. However with the threat of Nazi's and Communist nations Anubis Coalition is small prey. Defending against these nations are more of a priority then our little war games with Anubis.

A threat of TPM has subsided as we still purchase arms from them and the other military supplier, Blacktower have resolved there issues. The deployment of the satellites were to be a grand finish to the war with our bombardment plan to have no troop losses in the war. (Currently we have not lost any troops)

No troop loses, lol...

Alright, You know what major action will be taken the next time another major air battle comes up...

...and as the thousands of jets came screeching in to engage the...

Pwned. ~_~

EDIT, Tanthan, you have both of what? :confused:

OOC: Anti-ballistica and anti-air defenses....


btw: Anubis is horriblely late for a battle now...

Right.....why would you be attacking me now! Your against me and I know it! *arms flail wildly anime-style* I KNOW IT! I KNOW IT! Fine.....I'll purchase tons of attack-jets and more AA to fight them off!

Tanthan, you will reamin one of our closes allies. And the Republic of Kyanges is gratefull that you have decided that we will reamin so.

OOC: O.O omg........that is so cruel :(

IC: That is an insult to our empire and our people! If we wish to play childish games with you we would burn curse words into your mountains with lasers! If you wanted an arms race you got it!

EDIT: OK you are going to get it for that!

IC: As the continuation of these pointless annoying insults we break diplomatic talks to Kyanges currently. While we remain allies, we do not wish to deal with the somewhat immature government as of the moment.

OOC: I know something that'll cheer you right up.
http://www.animint.com/encyclopedie/base/image/l/lovehina.jpg

I know Tanthan to be quite the otaku.

IC: The Republic of Kyanges has NOT dropped out of the war, and we'd would like to inform YOU tanthan, that we are still there and will do whatever it takes to defend our interests in DAI. However, as you know, Kyanges is a nation devoted to the skies, and none of AC's pathetic ground forces have posed any threat to our air forces.

OOC: *Stuffs Schwarzennager (sp?) image link into pocket*
I think I'll hang on to this for a rainy day.

You two have some serious issues to work out. Are you by any chance siblings, RL friends, etc.?

How about this:
New Exodus sells Anti-Ballistic missile platforms to both of you, thus ensuring that neither of you will be wasted by someone's ICBM's. Then, both of you will enter into a more solidified peace treaty, where Tanthan benefits from Kyanges' less militarized economy, and Kyanges benefits from Tanthan's orbital weapon network.

Sound good?

Oh, and Love Hina is pretty good, but I wish the ending was a bit more substantial.

OOC: NO, NO, NO! Siblings?!?!? :eek:
RL friends yes, well at least that's how I think it is? :confused:
Oh? A fellow Otaku? Nice. Where are you located? If you're in Japan, then I wouldn't disclose that. Tanthan might kill you, Quite the otaku was an understatement by me, he's an otaku EXTREME>>>
Yeah, I agree with you on that, Love Hina's ending wasn't exactly top notch. The last thing I wanted to end the show with was Kei's face being blasted into my screen.


IC: The Republic of Kyanges is willing to negotiate some sort of of treaty with the Empire of Tanthan. We are mainly interested in ABM, but how will Tanthan benefit from our less militarized economy is up for him to propose.

OOC: pay me off with anime....that's low, but its a weakness...or IS it?

Yes, he is my friend, but he has a very unusual tendencies to be oddly aggressive + violent.

Uh we got enough to stop 100 ICBMs atm, I think that would work for our space defenses, not to mention the patriot defense grid. :p

OOC: Oddly agressive is just something that someone who doesn't understand Kyanges Foreign policy says. Just like how every body thinks that RL China is a big hipicrit, but if you try to keep in mind how China has been exploited because of its weakness throughout recent history, how they act suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Not a weakness? lol, Tanthan, I bet I could convince you to abandon your nation if I offered enough anime, so don't think you can fool me. :p

IC: The Republic of Kyanges would like proceed with negotiations on a treaty to enable mutual benefits for both our nations from our respective strengths.

FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

Glad to hear it. We will be sending out surveyors to determine the prime orbital locations for the ABM, as well as determine how we might assist Tanthan. My current suggestion is that three of our advanced fusion power plants be added to three of Tanthan's orbital weapons platforms. The specific platforms are up to the Tanthan government, as long as the platforms cannot reach/target Kyanges.

The government of Kyanges will also need to provide approximately one half-mile square for construction of a ground-based RADAR array as part of the ABM system.

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM

OOC: they aren't platforms really....just satellites with missles in them, solar panel power supply.....not too high-tech.

FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

Oh. In that case, we can offer low-level kinetic shielding for the satellites, following the same rules that would have applied to the fusion reactors. The kinetic shield will protect the satellites from most ASAT weapons, as well as micro-meteorites.

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM

---To New Exodus Peacekeeping Command---

Actually the Republic of Kyanges would benefit more from partial control of Tanthan's sat network, until our own particle cannon system comes online. The technology would benefit much from the fusion technology you are offering to Tanthan. Fusion, mixed with the direct heat to energy conversion techology we are developing would be more than sufficient to power the particle cannon. The system involves redirecting the beam to any location on Earth via a network of orbital mirrors.

Are the ABMs that you're offering, a space based system or a complete system that involves the capability to attack an ICBM at all stages of its flight.
Will be it be able to stop a missile if it's lauched from a space platform?

OOC: Sorry Luna I, looks like your offer wasn't enough to convince Tanthan to abandon his plans, so therefore, we must follow suit.

FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

You will need to arrange joint satellite control with Tanthan, but I agree that it should be shared. To better ensure Kyanges protection, we will provide the plans for ASAT weapons that can bring down the weapon satellites, but insist that such weapons only be used as a last resort.

As for Kyanges' particle beam satellites, we urge that they not be built, as they would increase tensions with Tanthan, and because the mirrors are an inefficient and inaccurate method of targeting. (Trust us on this.)

The ABM systems that we will give you are mostly designed to take down ICBMs that have been launched from Earth, but will also be capable of shooting down space-launched missiles.

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM

There have ben some negotiations with Tanthan about the Cannons we are hoping to develop, and through the improving relations between our two nations, there is no threat of raising tensions with Tanthan. We also feel that we are capable of making the mirror system possibly just as accuarate, and far more cost effective than placing an maintaining a space based weapon.

Therefore we feel that supplying fusion technology to asisst with cannon development will not jepordize peace between the Republic of Kyanges and the Empire of Tanthan. In any case, Fusion technology would greatly benefit our civilian popualtion, eliminating the concerns of nuclear waste from our current fission power systems.

The only real concern that we have currently as to how genuine Tanthan's claims of peace are, is the massive flying battle fortress which Tanthan is currently developing. As usual, Tanthan claims that the fortress will be used as a defensive station, but judging by the large amounts of weapons Tanthan is placing on this station, one can not be too cautious. We would very much like you to act as a third party in negotiations we hope to launch with Tanthan to try and convince their Government to at least scale back the program.

We are also most interested in when the ABM systems will be delivered.

Not that you would know, but we are also concerned as to the where abouts of Tanthan's representatives in these negotiations, so negotiations will have to be paused for the time being.

FROM: New Exodus Peacekeeping Command

You can expect the ABM systems to be delivered in one year (NS time) and installed by the following year (also NS time).

Any further discussions should take place with Tanthan's representatives, in order to ensure a fair deal for all.

-Nathan Bradley, NE P-COM

Well I just used 50 of my particle cannons, if it worked (like it should) I just saved both of our butts.

OOC: Wrong, Tanthan, it may have saved DAI's a55, but not ours. Like it or not, there is still the possibility of a counter attack. If Anubis is smart (*Prays*), then he would not have rushed all his forces blindly. There is the possibility that he may have some reserves. That is why the 21st Talon Air squdron was ordered to stay near DAI even with your beams firing. They are there to provide security for the complex in between the time when you beams stop firing, and before the rest of the allies return. I am also aware that you've prepped your artillery, but off shore bombardment has never been all that successfull. ~_~

Anubis can easliy say that with everybody far away to escape your beams and with time available before you can fire again (sats take a month to recharge, and your other satellites will take take time to position) the path to DAI is now wide open, and he make try to make a rush then.

I hope he was blind and you just destroyed his main force, but if he wasn't, you may have handed DAI to them on a silver platter.

I am not that dumb....I already know his next moves....

OOC: Oh really? :eek: Sometimes I wonder. *Fold up arms and gives the stereotypical anime "hmph" look*

Then do tell smart a55. ~_~ Lol.

hai, sore wa omoshirori desune ...kyanges-kun.....baka :p

tokorode.....shitte miashita :p

Guess what every one! Tanthan thinks that he's Japanese!

But don't tell anyone, he's not.

Baka bo iono. :rolleyes: @_@
Pwned. Roflolmfaomfg. gg gl hf gg gl.

You umm....really let this thread go downhill...

Well back on track, I don't think I will be joining at the moment due to our current need for them, which I mentioned I needed before I even used them.

hai, sore wa omoshirori desune ...kyanges-kun.....baka :p

tokorode.....shitte miashita :p

And that says? Downhill, rofl. Don't say that you didn't contribute, even the SMALLEST smount. :rolleyes:

Partial control of Sat network will no longer be need. Kyanges now has it's own system, and an airforce to match.