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HARME, Harmonia Mortus Military Exports

Harmonia Mortus
06-11-2004, 20:16
OOC:
Work in progress :)

Rules:
-If you dont have the money, dont order.
-All orders in USD
-Harmonia accepts payment in both USD and gold (I think at current market rates 1oz Gold is worth about $300)
-If you order a custom ship and dont fill out all the fields your order will be ignored.
-I reserve the right to refuse to sell/serve anybody I damn well please. Whining will only make it worse.
-If your country lacks to technology to maintain/service our ships we will gladly provide these services for a minimal services charge.
-All Harmonian technology is fitted with self-destruct devices. Unauthorized attempts to copy/reproduce will result in destruction of the technology. If this occurs the objects warranty is void and Harmonia Mortus accepts no responsibility for damage to equipment or personell caused by this.

First off:
Power Crystals.
http://www.mineralminers.com/html/lemm131b.jpg
Power Crystals are the basis of all Harmonian technology. They provide the energy that makes things go.
Basicaly a Power Crystal is a specialy enchanted piece of material that acts as a battery for magical energy. They come in all sizes, ranging from fingernail sized to pieces twenty feet wide. Generaly these are only used for extremly large-scale projects, such as Thaumic Reactors.
Most Power Cyrstals have a lifetime of about four to five hundred years, unless cracked in which case they have a life of about .005 picoseconds.
All items in this store come with their own powercrystal, which should outlast the item
The main disadvantage of Power Crystals is that they tend to explode if cracked or exposed to exmtremly high amounts of magic, such as having an Imp fall onto them. If one crystal goes, its very likely that the rest will go as well. The good part is that the crystals themselves are nearly as strong as diamonds, but can be shattered by a blow to the right spot, again, like diamonds.


Price Range:
(Rough guide, crysals between power levels are for sale at relative prices. EX: A 5 Milithaum crystal costs 15 dollars)

Milithaum Crystal: $10

Centithaum Crystal: $20

Thaum Crystal: $50

Decithaum Crystal: $80

Kilthaum Crystal: $120


Thaumic Cannons:
Thaumic Cannons launch proccessed magical power at a target, with effects similar to lasers. Larger cannons have a slight backblast which can result in reality distortions, unless properly channeled. Newer guns have a recycler to help prevent this.
The weapons work by drawing power from a crystal, focusing it and then projecting a combination of superheated air (from the ship) and randomized magical particles. The beam is usualy blocked by standard shields.

Some notes:
Harmonia uses very...unique ships. Basicaly theyre made of wood and have sails, but are perfectly capable of traveling through space thanks to a little miracle of magic. This is important because most of these cannons are designed to be mounted on a deck, not in a turret, they can be modified, but generaly they work best on rotating deck plates. THey all have a blast shield on the barrel to prevent your crew from being turned into chickens or something by the background magic.

Research is currently being done in the field of multibarrel Thaum Weapons, but cooling and Thaumic buildup issues are bogging the program down. Donations would be appreciated and discounts may be offered to those who help.

Any resemblace to WWI/II era-weapons is pure coincidence.

$150
Milithaum Cannon:
http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/1910~cap.jpg
A Milithaum Cannon is the equivalent of a standard 7.62mm machine gun, and about the same size. Its best suited to taking down infantry and light vehicles, and maybe lower-flying aircraft (helicopters). It lacks enough power to do any real damage to much other than that. It is capable of sustained autmatic fire.
Mostly its light and fairly cheap.

Centithaum Cannons:
$650
http://www.usscod.org/graphics/40mm-opt.jpg
^Heavy version
Similar to a .50 calibur weapon. This is best for fighter/point-defence, as well as taking out light armoured vehicles, and maybe tanks. This is too heavy for a normal person to carry/operate by themselves, but can be operated from a tripod or rail mount.
This is capable of about ten seconds of automatic fire before a pause for cooling will be needed.

Thaum Cannons:
$1,500
http://www.usscod.org/graphics/5in-opt.jpg
This has a force similar to an anti-tank rocket. These are fairly large, definitly too big for a person, and must be mounted in either a tank hull or on a ship. usualy they have their own rotational mounts.

Decithaum Cannons:
$7,500
http://www.ida.liu.se/~tompa/big-gun.jpg
(Do not under any circumstances do what these men are doing when cannon is in use.)
Standard armament on HArmonian Naval Vessels, these have the power of a large bomb or missile. The cannon is quite large and requires its own turret or rotator mount. The cannon is incapable of automatic fire, but fires in solid beams lasting two seconds, making it good for anti-fighter work, but its best suited to ship-to-ship combat or ground-strafing.
Needs its own turret or rotational mount.

Kilothaum Cannons:
$10,500
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/aberdn27.jpg
This is basicaly a very large atomic bomb projector. The beam has the destructive capability of two Hiroshima-type bombs concentrated into a beam about two feet across, Im sure there is a forumula to calculate the exact force per square inch of that beam, but Im too lazy to work it out.
The beam fires a burst lasting 5 seconds, and must recharge for thirty seconds to one minute afterwards for a full charge, cooling takes fifteen seconds.
The weapon and its power sources.support stuff take up quite alot of space, generaly they require their own ship.
Nations with populations under 50,000,000 may not purchase this weapon.

MegaThaum Cannons:
They dont exist. Stop looking at this, its not here.

O_O


Custom Ships:
Harmonia is offering custom-designed ships for sale, of the standard Harmonian style of wooden skyships. Generaly thought to be much more astheticaly appealing than your average metal tug, and faster as well.
All skyships are capable of both air, space, and sea travel with no conversion needed other than activating/deactivating the shields. If you land in the ocean with your shields on the water will evaporate and your ship will sink, once the water closes over your shield its most likely going to overload and fail, resulting in an ocean falling on your head.

Please fill out the following:
Name: What you want your ship called (please include your nations naval insignia, HMS, USS, whatever)
Length: How long your ship is in meters
Width: How wide your ship is in meters
Number of Decks: How many decks (levels) your ship has, the max is four (not counting top-deck) due to stability/power issues.

HUll Type:
What sort of hull you want, EX: Carrack, Galleon, Man of War, or one of your own design (please provide some sort of picture)

Weapons:
List of what weapons/weapon mounts you want. If provided with plans we can place the mounts for non-Harmonian weapons, or the weapons themselves.

Defences:
See weapons.

Masts/Sails:
How many masts/sails you want on your ship. Include outrigger shields

Drive:
How many/what type of engine you want.
Harmonia can install a classical Harmonian drive system at a cost of $80 per drive crystal and $200 for the main core crystal, plus $60,000 for the equipment to channel the magical energy.

Note:
Harmonian drives work like so:
Energy from the power core is forced into the drive crystals, which when charged 'pull' in whatever direction they are facing. These crystals are placed into omnidirectional mounts in the ships hull, they are capable of pointing in any direction resulting in a very manuverable ship.
Harmonia Mortus
06-11-2004, 20:54
OOC:
I have to bump this ALREADY?
Harmonia Mortus
06-11-2004, 22:26
Bring
Up
My
Post
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 00:23
OOC: Magic doesn't go good with modern tech, or future tech....
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 01:17
OOC:
Most futuretech nations have been quite accepting. Modern players are more in this for realistic military/political stuff and obviously dont want magical flying saucers.
Futuretech players dont mind as long as you explain how your magical flying saucer works, they will then tell you that a saucer is an impraticle shape for a spacecraft because of the Third THeory of Georotational Whatsits.
Well, some of them will.
Anyway, this is mostly targetted to the futuretech audience who are looking for something differnt.
A major plus I suppose is that the ships are totaly unaffected by ion weapons, or EMP weapons, since there arent any electrical components to short circut...
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 05:29
Up!
Up My Post!
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 06:26
OOC: Well for all of us modern tech people who try and place realistically can we say that the crystals have a sort of unusual power source, which you call magic?

Meaning like this in an engine:

1. A strong flow of electrical/heat/sound energy flows into the crystal
2. The crystal reacts(unusual chemical which reacts with great resistance within the crystal) and produces a frequency which will spread and react with other nearby crystals in a chain reaction.
3. The chain reaction produces a surge of energy that is able to be diverted to power devices with a mix of kinetic and electrical energy.
4. When the crystal loses all of its power (chemical is burned up inside of it) the crystal becomes useless.
5. If the crystal goes, the chemical inside reacts with the air and goes out with a small explosion which will send piece of it through the crystals to destroy near by ones

You can say that because of the types of energy released from the unknown chemical within the crystal has two types of being released which can be mistaken or overlooked by normal science. Heat can be used to say for touch of it can cause it to work along with sound, like chanting to cause glowing crystals and that is a scientific base for the long practice of magic, which is still unable to be fully researched with current scientific instruments.

How's that for an explanation on how it could work, maybe we could actually help get magic + reality closer together, by giving real life traits and weaknesses of the weapons and systems made with it maybe a light connection can be made between the two, a modern day tank vs a crystal powered tank, modern tank fires with a special round and blows the crystal powered tank up easily. Or vise versa; the crystal powered tank fires a crystal round into the tank and it explodes, frying the electrical systems and exploding causingt he tank to be destroyed (of course you can use a real shell too).
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 07:06
OOC:
But IM not particularly worried about modern nations, after all, modern and futuretech have remained happily seperate and why should they want to change?
Im happy with Magic as it is, a number of magical nations currently exist, Melkor Unchained for one. Weyr, Menelmacar (sp?), Camel Eaters, Demon Lord Enigma (I think), and myself, basicaly make up the population of Fantasci nations. Theres a few more, but I dont really know them.
Anyway, my way is cooler.
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 07:15
OOC: Well let me put it this way, I want to use it as a power source and just need to have something to actually describe how they work. (Its a safer and more economical way to do things then fusion reactors.)
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 18:29
OOC:
Sorry, but if I changed my tech for everybody who asked, it wouldnt be MINE, I wrote some giganteroid post about this, including details on my drive system, if you search my name it should be around page four, I think its called 'How Magic Works, at least in Harmonia Mortus'.

But...
Basicaly:
Crystals are capable of retaining magic in a manner similar to the way a battery retains electricity. The magic is basicaly suspended by the molocules of the crystal. With the correct equipment one can siphon energy from the crystal and transmit it along a line.
The drive crystals conver this energy into kinetic force, they want to go whichever way they are pointing, sort of like magnets. These crystals are mounted in rotating cages which make turning possible.
DemonLordEnigma
07-11-2004, 18:39
OOC: Add Merlyns, Tiamat Taveril, and Apsu Lilith to that list. Unless you mean active on NS forums, in which case only Merlyns gets an honorable mention. It'll become active once I take it over.

IC:

~Electronic Transmission~
I am interested in making a contract to have Milithaum crystals installed in a new type of fighter I am producing. The result is estimated to be a ship capable of jumping to Rath, your universe, and my own by innitiating an FTL Jump towards a star while very close to it. Then we can begin active colonization of Rath, beyond the people I have already there (you know how many...)
-Dictator Enigma
~End Transmission~
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 18:47
Excellent, we will be happy to provide you with as many Milithaum crystals as you want, let us say, $8000 per hundred crystals?
DemonLordEnigma
07-11-2004, 18:50
My own calculations have that as being the price of 100 Decithaum crystals... 100 Milithaum comes to about $1000.
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 19:00
OOC:
Damn, hes onto me.

Meh, my bad I added the extra zero on accident, I was planning on giving you a %20 discount.
DemonLordEnigma
07-11-2004, 19:03
OOC: :~Snickers~

IC:

Oh. Okay. The money is being wired now. Now, I just have to figure out what I did last with Rath...
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 19:10
I think it will take alot of crystal power to make my fortress fly...

What are each crystals power level and what is the power to electrical rate


1 Milithaum Crystal = 10 volts?

or something like that, hate to be a bother, but I am intrested in powering lots of stuff with crystals.
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 22:03
Well, how big is your fortress?
To get a galleon (400ft boat) in the air requires a single decithaum crystal plus two dedicated lifting crystals.
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 22:43
Well it is a work in progress, the base is going to be 5 miles long and 3 miles wide, it will go up at an angle of 30 degrees (generally) to it is 7 miles long and 5 miles wide. With a pillar that goes down below (engines there).

This is the base (before we build on it) it will weigh in around at 500 million tons for the base, in total it will weight somewhere between 2-4 billion tons with everything on it.

The construction materials are glass, diamond, steel, titanium, lead, lime, carbon (for carbon fiber), copper, and a list of other heavy and light metals.

I'll see if I can get a pic of what the concept is like.

EDIT found one here (http://halo-productions.com/LastExile/Ep-19/12.jpg)
Kyanges
07-11-2004, 23:35
OOC: Why not try and find a picture of Laputa?
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 23:40
OOC: You know that is a a really good idea.....the palace is so hard to find for the stupid Guild.
Kyanges
07-11-2004, 23:45
OOC: Need to add, a picture without the roots would be good. A giant flying tree wouldn't look very threatening. Plus Laputa also flew because of a crystal. It's perfect. Your welcome Tanthan.
Tanthan
07-11-2004, 23:52
well the map there is pretty good, its hard to show something that big....but I found a nice little pic of what happens when the poor idiot who tries to destroy this thing. If you watched episode 24 and 25 you know what happened. :p
Harmonia Mortus
07-11-2004, 23:55
Hum, I would say four Kilothaum crystals, maybe five if you want a backup.
IF you want it to move then a couple of Decathaum crystals for each direction would be needed.
So, with equipment that comes to
5 Kilothaum Crystals: $52,500
Equipment: $900,000
Installation: $40,000
Would you like to insure your cargo?
Tanthan
08-11-2004, 00:55
Well if those will work I will make an order after I get back (ffxi-dyanmis atm), but what is the cost of insurance on each crystal?
Kyanges
08-11-2004, 01:08
well the map there is pretty good, its hard to show something that big....but I found a nice little pic of what happens when the poor idiot who tries to destroy this thing. If you watched episode 24 and 25 you know what happened. :p

OOC: Saw the whole series man.
Tanthan
08-11-2004, 12:09
OK we are ready to make a purchase,

IC:
The Empire of Tanthan wishes to buy these items for its secret project:


100 million Milithaum Crystals @ $10 (1 bil)
100 million Centithaum Crystal @ $20 (2 bil)
100 million Thaum Crystal @ $50 (5 bil)
100 million Decithaum Crystal @ $80 ( 8 bil)
100 million Kilthaum Crystal @ $120 (12 bil)

As for the ship as you said

Equipment: $900,000
Installation: $40,000

The total comes to $28,000,940,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation.


OOC: We will purchase weapons at a later date
Harmonia Mortus
08-11-2004, 16:52
OOC:
Just to let you know, a Kilothaum crystal is the size and weight of a truck, and it doesnt pack well. Decathaum crystals are the size of an armchair, and they dont pack well either.
Thaum crystals are the size of a personons head, centi are hand sized and mili are fingernail sized.
And I dont really have 100,000,000 kilothaum crystals to sell you.
Tanthan
08-11-2004, 21:22
Do you have a million of them? Just tell me how many you have and I'll buy them, I need lots and lots of power.
Tanthan
09-11-2004, 02:52
Bring
Up
YOUR
Post

Please respond lol.
Kyanges
09-11-2004, 03:12
Kyanges would be happy to supply you with the nesassary technology to lift your flying city. You don't NEED to have the crystals. :eek:
Tanthan
09-11-2004, 03:39
OOC: I am going to use bubble fusion to you know. Everything I use to help power it is good, but I'll be glad to also buy tons of guns and other weapons to defend it. (Bullets aren't effective and lasers drain power so fast I will only get more of a hassle in the systems)
Kyanges
09-11-2004, 03:51
OOC: Tanthan, you need help.
Harmonia Mortus
10-11-2004, 15:23
OOC:
Its generaly considered rude to advertise in other peoples stores. If you wanted to talk to him about something like this you SHOULD have sent him a telegram.

IC:
We can supply you with a maximum of 10,000 crystals, even so it will take several months to ship them all due to size/weight concerns, we will need to add a $250,000 shipping charge.
IF you would like to keep your order down to under 50 (which is enough to power half the United States) we will be happy to remove the shipping charge.
Tanthan
10-11-2004, 21:40
Well be glad to purchase them all you have, but since you have only 10,000 to sell we'll have to go with 10,000 Kilthaum Crystals, which comes to 1,200,000 + the equipment 940,000 for install, it comes to $2,140,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation.
Harmonia Mortus
11-11-2004, 00:27
Confirmed.
Your order will take approx. 6 months to fully complete, unless you supply extra ships.
Tanthan
11-11-2004, 00:40
IC:

We are sending 5 Cargo Class Freighters, they will be arriving within a few days to pick up the crystals and transport them back to us.

Is there anyway in which we can increase crystal production for you, we need as much power as possible to make everything work for us.

(How heavy are these crystals anyways?)
Harmonia Mortus
11-11-2004, 00:51
OOC:
Kilothaum crystals weigh about two tons each.

IC:
Your freighters will be loaded as soon as they arrive. We estimate between three and four months now.
Unfourtunatly crystal production is not possible outside of Harmonia or a high thaumic field. Charging a crystal requires lots of magic.
Tanthan
11-11-2004, 01:11
Its a good thing these have so much power in them, going to need a huge supply of the most powerful crystals.

Can the Milithaum Cannon and other Cannons be run off different sources of power like electricity so that I can just link them together and provide crystal and electrical power as needed?
Harmonia Mortus
11-11-2004, 05:29
Running electricity through a magical item is a VERY bad idea. Technology and magic tend to react violently. The crystals run off magic, not energy. Magical energy and energy are rather differnt in the fact that one doesnt naturaly exist in our universe.
Kilothaum crystals give great power-to-weight ratios.
Tanthan
11-11-2004, 05:38
Well ok.....ouch doesn't seem safe, better keep the crystals out of the air too....*runs off to add a magical city on the coast that runs sololy on the crystals*

So how many crystals can you produce a year?
Harmonia Mortus
11-11-2004, 05:43
As long as you insulate the magical portion of your city (steel works best, though any metal will do. Magical particles have a hard time penetrating lots of metal. Just keep those airplanes away from the cities underside.

We can produce about ten Kilothaum crystals per year for sale to other countries.
Tanthan
13-11-2004, 03:25
IC: We would like to purchase another 10,000 Kilthaum Crystals from you for the same price $1,200,000.

We also wish that you could teach our very fastly advancing magical part of the Empire of Tanthan. The city is on a dedicated part of a group of islands that need huge amounts of energy and since your nation currently cannot produce as much as we require (which is a ton more) we want you to help us oversee a divison of crystal production in our nation.
Harmonia Mortus
13-11-2004, 15:20
We have told you.
We do not have any more large crystals to sell, and we cannot produce crystals at a location without a strong thaumic field.
Tanthan
13-11-2004, 17:06
Alright, well I guess we have nothing left to do then purchase the weapons for defending the island then. Post when you have ANY crystals in stock, and we will buy them, or better yet do a TG.
Harmonia Mortus
26-11-2004, 00:08
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