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(ooc:this is set after the war with Klington. This is all also Top level secerecy IC.)

In a meeting room high above Tenetia Hozgarth brought before the imperial ship yard producers his plan for a new class SSD to dwarve even the eclipse class. He called it the Behemoth. He pulled up the holocube and projected the stats for it.

"Gentlemen, i give you the Behemoth"

Name/Model
Behemoth-class Super Star Destroyer
Designer/Manufacturer
Exetonia R&D department
Combat Designation
Super Capital Starship
Length
35000 meters
Weapons
3300 Laser Cannons
3000 Turbolaser Batteries
450 Ion Cannons
600 Tractor Beam Projectors
60 Gravity-well Projectors
1 Superlaser

(ooc:imagine 2 eclipse class SD's stuck together but twice the length)

"Gentlmen, you have the authority of the emperor himself to begin construction of this massive starship. I will oversee the defence."

Nice Ship... Will it be for sale?

35 km long, couldn't miss a target like that ;)

lots of energy weapons, I wonder how they would react to conventional projectile weapons, or whether the defences are geared toward defence against energy weapons?

or even if ecm could destroy a guided missile, the amount of energy used to redirect an similar type of energy or particle weapon would be significantly less than say a convention unguided 100 tonne HEX 'bullet' travelling at several thousand kilometres an hour.

say a smaller vessel, capable of firing a barrage of 'dumb' weapons, with no visable means of propulsion, carrying no energy signature (as the velocity is imparted at the launching), carrying no electronics or communications may fail to trigger security systems, however if 100 tonnes of HEX were to hit a vital spot on the superstructre with an impulse of several kilo tonnes followed by a massive explosive force....

I suggest for a sake of retro space forces, conventional defencive measures could be added? I've always thought lasers were good for removing tatoos, but really annoying somebody, nothing beats a big gun.

Unfamiliar with the eclipse class SSD, how would this compare with the Executor class Super Star Destroyer?

The Imperium, would be interested in recieving the specs for this, exalted ally. We will work together, forge an Imperium of strength and steel, and crush the rebels....Such is the will of the Emperors, such is it the will of the Imperium.

Please read the note at the top of the thread, this is all secret IC.

First question
Nice Ship... Will it be for sale?

Probably not. It is costly to buiuld and a one of a kind. This thread is merley so other nations cant say i Godmodded.

35 km long, couldn't miss a target like that ;)

lots of energy weapons, I wonder how they would react to conventional projectile weapons, or whether the defences are geared toward defence against energy weapons?

or even if ecm could destroy a guided missile, the amount of energy used to redirect an similar type of energy or particle weapon would be significantly less than say a convention unguided 100 tonne HEX 'bullet' travelling at several thousand kilometres an hour.

say a smaller vessel, capable of firing a barrage of 'dumb' weapons, with no visable means of propulsion, carrying no energy signature (as the velocity is imparted at the launching), carrying no electronics or communications may fail to trigger security systems, however if 100 tonnes of HEX were to hit a vital spot on the superstructre with an impulse of several kilo tonnes followed by a massive explosive force....

I suggest for a sake of retro space forces, conventional defencive measures could be added? I've always thought lasers were good for removing tatoos, but really annoying somebody, nothing beats a big gun.

To answer your points: This is starwars tech, lasers do A LOT of damage to fighters, the ion cannons are for ships. The hull is reinforced massively as are all SSD's. The sheer firepower of this ship could level a small retro fleet. Trust me, u ever seen SW, it takes a lot to take these things out esp[ecially with that amount of turbo lasers defending the hull and space for approximately 3,000 TIES of various forms. This ship is quyite capable of defending herself.

Unfamiliar with the eclipse class SSD, how would this compare with the Executor class Super Star Destroyer?

Its approximatly 4.66 times bigger than the Executor with 8 x the FP and TIE fighters. (got to remember its 2 SSD hulls double length joined together)


The Imperium, would be interested in recieving the specs for this, exalted ally. We will work together, forge an Imperium of strength and steel, and crush the rebels....Such is the will of the Emperors, such is it the will of the Imperium

Alas, due to the sheer scale and cost of the design there will only be one made at the moment destined to the emperors flagship and Admiral Hozgarths flag ship for the Exetonian fleet. The emperor will use it in times of major wars.

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[QUOTE=Exetonia Minor]Please read the note at the top of the thread, this is all secret IC.

Originally Posted by Kormanthor
Nice Ship... Will it be for sale?

Probably not. It is costly to buiuld and a one of a kind. This thread is merley so other nations cant say i Godmodded.

Well if they do you won't be alone..... Oh if that Probably not ever becomes
Probably Will, please let me know. I need a new UBER SHIP .... so people
have a reason to hear themselves bitch.

OOC: The Executor is in fact 17km long. So this new ship is about twice as long, but several hundred times more massive.

as i said, its exactly twice the length of the eclipse but it has 2 hulls joined together like a catamaran. Therefore it has 4times the FP and a proper superlaser...

say a smaller vessel, capable of firing a barrage of 'dumb' weapons, with no visable means of propulsion, carrying no energy signature (as the velocity is imparted at the launching), carrying no electronics or communications may fail to trigger security systems, however if 100 tonnes of HEX were to hit a vital spot on the superstructre with an impulse of several kilo tonnes followed by a massive explosive force....
If it had no electronics or propulsion, how could it do anything?

You are in violation of the primary charter of the International Fleet - the independant developement of space combat systems by IF members is strickly prohibited and sufficient grounds for immediate termination of membership and ejection from the council.

How plead you Exetonia Minor.

Member states of the Galactic Empire answer to no one; not even you.
You will desist in your criticism of Exetonia's endeavor, or you will be met with embargo; blockade and possible hostile action from the Imperium.
LEt us only warn you once.

Chronosia this is an Internal affair of the International Fleet and was addressed to the member nation of Exetonia Minor of whom we expect a reply and explaination for this blaitant disregard of the primary chater of the International Fleet agreed to by Exetonia.

Threatening us is not recommended. We are dedicated to the peaceful exploration and industrialization of space assets. But we are prepared to defend ourselves against agressors who do not value space as we do.

If you want to compare SSD, the Executor was about 8 km long or so.

You are in violation of the primary charter of the International Fleet - the independant developement of space combat systems by IF members is strickly prohibited and sufficient grounds for immediate termination of membership and ejection from the council.

Not to nitpick, but... nothing new's being developed here aside from a really, really large hull. Or at least so it seems to me.

Not to nitpick, but... nothing new's being developed here aside from a really, really large hull. Or at least so it seems to me.

Allow me to refresh your memory and clearify the issue for you

In a meeting room high above Tenetia Hozgarth brought before the imperial ship yard producers his plan for a new class SSD to dwarve even the eclipse class. He called it the Behemoth. He pulled up the holocube and projected the stats for it.

"Gentlemen, i give you the Behemoth"

Name/Model
Behemoth-class Super Star Destroyer
Designer/Manufacturer
Exetonia R&D department
Combat Designation
Super Capital Starship
Length
35000 meters
Weapons
3300 Laser Cannons
3000 Turbolaser Batteries
450 Ion Cannons
600 Tractor Beam Projectors
60 Gravity-well Projectors
1 Superlaser

(ooc:imagine 2 eclipse class SD's stuck together but twice the length)

"Gentlmen, you have the authority of the emperor himself to begin construction of this massive starship. I will oversee the defence."


Emphasis mine - note in bold the armaments of the warship and note the lack of any interest of any remarkable efforts to outfit the ship for a supportive role in any peaceful space missions.

Note in italics how this project was undertaken without seeking the aproval of the council of the International Fleet and all authority required was only asked of the local administration.

It makes it apearent that Exetonia Minor intends to resign from the International Fleet and has only used its possition in the economic space bloc to procure additional resources to build this ship.

Aren't you being a little drastic? Exetonia can afford to develop this ship on his own without being reduced to, as you seem to imply, using your alliance. He has the Empire behind him; and they, and we, would gladly fund such an endeavour. We have a need of powerful weapons for future campaigns.

OCC: Looks Like I'll have to start work on my Hell Storm Battleship sooner than expected.

If you want to compare SSD, the Executor was about 8 km long or so.

That's too small. Proper scaling shows that the Executor is about 17 km long, or 11 miles.

Aren't you being a little drastic? Exetonia can afford to develop this ship on his own without being reduced to, as you seem to imply, using your alliance. He has the Empire behind him; and they, and we, would gladly fund such an endeavour. We have a need of powerful weapons for future campaigns.

A LITTLE DRASTIC?! YOU INSULT US WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT HOPE FOR PEACE IN OUR TIME IS FLYING OUT THE WINDOW WHEN NOT AN INDEPENDANT NATION DEVELOPES AN SPACEBORNE WARSHIP - BUT A MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL FLEET - A NATION WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEDICATED TO FURTHERING PEACEFUL MISSIONS IN SPACE VIOLATES THE SENSABILITIES OF THE ENTIRE FLEET AND THE MAIN MISSION OF THE I.F. BY GOING AHEAD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WARSHIP AS A PRIVATE VENTURE.

The member nations agree to cooperate with eachother because of the larger call to explore space and foward a permanent manned presence in our solar system. We agreed on a comprehensive defense initiative including the formation of the orbital guard and the international fleet combined forces so that these interest might not be interefered with by pirate, rouge or expansionist regimes with space programs of thier own. And you say that a multi-trillion dollar investment in a dedicated warship for thier own military interest in space is not such a big deal?

With all due respect you have no idea what's at stake - the very future of man in space is what is at stake.

The future of man in space shall be assured by force; to defend from enemies, within and without. If we lack that crucial arm; the ultimate goal of securing our own space; then what are we?
There can be no peace in our time; there is only war, struggle and hardship. Through our toils we gain strength, understanding...We become more thna we are; we become gods, forged in the fires of war; against any foe.

If you want to compare SSD, the Executor was about 8 km long or so.

That's a flawed assumption used by several authors and other liscenced creators due to bad math in an old book.

Using a known value (The dimensions of an Imperial Star Destroyer), it is possible to figure out that the Executor was roughly 17 kilometers long, perhaps a bit more.

The future of man in space shall be assured by force; to defend from enemies, within and without. If we lack that crucial arm; the ultimate goal of securing our own space; then what are we?
There can be no peace in our time; there is only war, struggle and hardship. Through our toils we gain strength, understanding...We become more thna we are; we become gods, forged in the fires of war; against any foe.

We are not Gods and will never be in our time - we are human beings you self deluded warmonger. The only way to secure our future in space is through dialouge and council - that the International Fleet agreed to disarm our independant armed elements of our space programs and concentrate our efforts on the peaceful expidition of manned missions to space assets - and that the member nations of the International Fleet conceded that control of joint defense forces to the council of the member nations of the Fleet is probably the single most important event in this century - AND WE WILL NOT HAVE IT ALL FALL APART BECAUSE ONE MEMBER OF THIS UNION HAS DECIDED TO AGREE WITH WARMONGER MILITARY REGIMES IN THIS PROJECT!

Either Exetonia Minor will cancel this Independant Defense Project or it will immediately resign and withdraw from the International Fleet turning over all IF investments and data on our spaceborne systems.

We second the motion of Luna I in that Exetonia Minor explain this outrageous move towards a space fleet of warships against the primary mission of the International Fleet.

And we recommend the nation of Chronosia return to the Galactic Empire for an official statement on this mater - we doubt your possition is the official one with respect to the International Fleet.

-Sun Jiang, Greater Beijing Prime Minister of the Democratic Union of Asia.

You doubt that the Galactic Empire approves of force in space? The Death Star would be a key sign of your delusion. They are based almost entirely on force in space...

Exetonia will give no explanation of this endeavor to the Council. Consider this ship my official resignation. I found a super power capablke of taking me in. This ship, an extremly mobile battlestation/capital ship will anihilate all who come before her. Power be to the emperor. Construction has now begun. Withdraw your pathetic pleas or face the might of the empire.

OCC: I'm jsut wondering but does this beast look like the eclipse class? Or what does it look like?

ooc:it looks like an eclpise from the side but twice the length. if you look from the top bottom or side or front, uwill see that it is two hulls stuck together

Actually the Executor has been officially stated (cross reference: Star Wars Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, latest ed) to be 8 miles (about 14km) long. Not 11.

Actually the Executor has been officially stated (cross reference: Star Wars Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, latest ed) to be 8 miles (about 14km) long. Not 11.

The SW:EGVV says it's 8 km not 8 miles. And it's wrong, the Executor is 11 times as long as an ISD. Which would make it 11 miles or 17.6 km long.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#size

The SW:EGVV says it's 8 km not 8 miles. And it's wrong, the Executor is 11 times as long as an ISD. Which would make it 11 miles or 17.6 km long.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#size
Sorry but my copy says clearly 8 miles. And the EGVV is canon, that site isn't.

Sorry but my copy says clearly 8 miles. And the EGVV is canon, that site isn't.

You must have the new version. And it's quasi-cannon, the films supercede it and that site is based off the film data. It puts the Executor at around 17 km.

Im sorry, only the films are cannon. The Executor dwarves an ISD meaning it must be about 10-11 times as long meaning it is about 14-18 KM in length (sumwhere around that anyways) so as far as i am concerned my vessel is some 35KM in length and twice as wide as an eclipse... (for 1 hull) so it is basically 4 times larger and ore powerful than an eclipse.

A certain Jedi kid putters by in a small spaceship, whistling innocently. He glances at a hologram of the giant ship and smirks. The bigger they are, the harder they fall...

He wonders about the weaknesses for the thing, and then zooms away, to who knows where.

OOC:
the Executor and Eclipse were both 17.6 km long, 11 times longer than the regular Star Destroyers.

OOC: CW how many times do i have to state that this is a secret project. Its in the HEART of the empire and ud have been blown appart by TIES long before you even got close.... improper Exetonian codes u see ;)

OOC: Yeah, yeah I know. it's a secret project, jedi kids get blown apart the moment they're spotted, blah, blah, blah. Notice that it isn't a real RP. If it were a real RP, I'd do something more elaborate than that. However, we always have ears in many places, and we could have wind of something big brewing...

when the time is ready, u can steal the plans to this little bligter.... hehehe, then, u will be able to take her down.... after shes done some damage... thta a full blown superlaser on her hehehe

hehe. I'm looking forward to that little espionage RP.

Of course, the thought crosses my mind that if this is being kept so heavily under wraps, will the alliance that you're apparently ticking off by building it even know about it until it's done, EM?

Just some rumors about something big being built, nothing else.

60 Gravity-well Projectors? Isn't that a little excessive?

hehehe, it'll be the most powerful superlaser... gonna post up about it... its going to amke it live up to the name Star Destroyer ;)

construction has begun. 10 NS years till completion...

9 NS years to completion.

lol ill post yar next post for ya 8 Ns years till completion.

lol I'm lucky my Hellstorm is one year ahead of this beast. *runs away*

That's too small. Proper scaling shows that the Executor is about 17 km long, or 11 miles.


OOC: Ever read the X-wing series?
8 Km long

and if u ever play the game "x-wing alliance" it puts the executor at about 8.1 KM long

this argument has gone on long enough. The SSD is 11 times longer than the ISD (shown at many points of the SW trilogy) An ISD is quoted as being 1.8km bi by many sources there fore the Executor is between 17000 and 18000 meters big

7 NS years to completion

this argument has gone on long enough. The SSD is 11 times longer than the ISD (shown at many points of the SW trilogy) An ISD is quoted as being 1.8km bi by many sources there fore the Executor is between 17000 and 18000 meters big

7 NS years to completion

Thank you for putting your foot down.

6 NS years to completion.

5 NS years to completion

this argument has gone on long enough. The SSD is 11 times longer than the ISD (shown at many points of the SW trilogy) An ISD is quoted as being 1.8km bi by many sources there fore the Executor is between 17000 and 18000 meters big

7 NS years to completion
minor nitpick. It's 1.6 km, not 1.8

The Victory II class is 1.8 km long.

4 NS years to completion

3 NS years to completion

The Victory II class is 1.8 km long.
Sorry, the VicStar is 900 meters.

2 NS years to completion

Somewhere in the depths of space, a child cries out in fear as he awakens from a terrible nightmare, of worlds blown up and evil people everywhere...

ooc:hinting at something are we coreworlds..? ;)

The largest ship in the Imperial Fleet is the Armageddon class-Battlefortress. It's about the size of an SSD. Of course, another one is currently under construction...

hehehe, thats in your fleet right. This mother is going to lead the Exetonian navy and possibly the entire Imperial (navy of the Empire) Navy hehehe its about twice the size and twice as wide.

We're currently working on the Oblivion-Class Mothership. It's going to be slightly smaller that your SSD, but be just as good in firepower and defence.

sweet, two super ships and a death star :sniper:

Its like this. The Emperor's first flagship, a Juggernaught class Heavy Battlecruiser, was named the Infinity. His second flagship, the first Armageddon class BattleFortress, was named Oblivion. Due to the honor of the ships name, the new mothership is known as the Oblivion class, and will fly with Patrol group Primus.

hehehe, im debating you yourelf have aship with the same capabilities as mine... youve been around for quite a while and inevitably other races/nations would build super shipsto fly with hehehe, will be fun to see the two meett or fight with each other 1 day my friend.

1 NS year to completion

Behemoth is complete

Behemoth is complete

Congratulations, although 10 years seems like a really short amount of time to build a supership. Anyway, best of luck to you.

And I get figures on the Behemoth's width and height and if possible mass, volume, approximate elemental composition(ie is it the equivalanet of being made out of Iron or Titaniun) and average tensile strength (Carbon nanotubes are currently as strong as 63 Gpa for a starting point and that's the current strongest material known)? I want to do some math regarding it.