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"White Codes" Enacted by President-General Craig

The Burnsian Desert
02-11-2004, 05:04
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In a huge civil rights upset today, President-General Mitchell Craig enacted the "White Codes" with absolutely no approval from Congress or the Consul. These "White Codes" will summarily oppress the whites of The Burnsian Desert, restricting voting and property rights. It should be noted that Pres.-Gen. Craig's ethnicity is Native Burnsian. Several civil watchdog groups have rased a raging debate...

Proclimation of Ethnic Equality
(Known as the "White Codes")

REALIZING that in the past, whites have oppressed the native peoples of The Burnsian Desert,

ALSO REALIZING that the same whites and others may try to do so again, with force, we are

ENCOURAGING others of different ethnicity to prevent whites from meeting in large groups of five or more,

FORBIDING whites to vote in elections without owning land,

ALSO FORBIDING non-white landowners to share land ownership with whites,

DISCOURAGING whites to attempt to marry non-whites.

ENACTED Monday, 1st of November, 2004

Signed: _______President-General Mitchell K. Craig__________
Date: __10-28-04_
The Burnsian Desert
02-11-2004, 05:17
OOC:

Is there a mass ignore of me that I haven't been told about yet?

Bump
DemonLordEnigma
02-11-2004, 05:25
OOC: You get used to it.

IC:

~Incomming electronic communication~
Dictator Enigma requestions permission of the Burnsian Congress to conduct dangerous and potentially life-threatening nuclear experiments near the President's house. I will gladly rent all of the surrounding property and pay for cleanup afterwards.
Of course, you are free to take this either as serious or as a humorous way of stating my disagreement with the President's declaration.
-Dictator Enigma
~End communication~
Buben
02-11-2004, 05:26
Despite are small size compared to you, we will stand up and say this is a highly rascist and morally corrupt move by a close minded individual!

Empire of Buben
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Minister-B,Canfally

(OOC-above all IC of course :) )
The Burnsian Desert
02-11-2004, 05:28
OOC: You get used to it.

OOC: Yeah, I guess.


IC:

~Incomming electronic communication~
Dictator Enigma requestions permission of the Burnsian Congress to conduct dangerous and potentially life-threatening nuclear experiments near the President's house. I will gladly rent all of the surrounding property and pay for cleanup afterwards.
Of course, you are free to take this either as serious or as a humorous way of stating my disagreement with the President's declaration.
-Dictator Enigma
~End communication~

RE

No.
The Burnsian Desert
02-11-2004, 05:29
Despite are small size compared to you, we will stand up and say this is a highly rascist and morally corrupt move by a close minded individual!

Empire of Buben
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Minister-B,Canfally

(OOC-above all IC of course :) )

RE

Why don't you try fighting a corrupt white government?
Buben
02-11-2004, 05:34
If you try to invade, we will use all are force to stop you in your tracks!

Also,many more white goverments wont be impressed with you and would allie with us, inturn haters of are alliance would join you, and soon a world war, race war has ensued!

Empire of Buben
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Minister-B,Canfally
The Burnsian Desert
02-11-2004, 05:47
... or that wouldn't happen, because all of them are my allies.

Anyways, if I wanted your puny country, I would've annexed it already.
Hattia
02-11-2004, 05:55
The Republic condemns these acts, however, we will not act against The Burnsian Desert. After all, we are quite sure plenty of other people will...

Fyodor Leningrad Zyteslav
The Soviet Socialist Republic of Hattia
DemonLordEnigma
02-11-2004, 06:02
OOC: Beyond my offer, no action will be taken. Your nation, your rules.
Buben
02-11-2004, 09:26
... or that wouldn't happen, because all of them are my allies..

Right :rolleyes: ....Why would they join you when your against everything they are! :rolleyes:

(OOC-same as above for me,expect i'll make IC fuss about it, if you wish to carry on)
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 00:19
OOC: Because we're allies, and friends. Just because I go off on a whack like this doesn't mean I'll change my government again. If you knew me well, you would understand. Obviously, you don't. Who are your allies, anyways? Dr_Twist? Xeraph? Der Auftrag (aka The Great Sixth Reich, I think he's calling himself now)?
Buben
03-11-2004, 00:29
OOC-What i'm saying is there are people who IC will allie together to stand against you,Despite the fact that you have allies, they have allies to!

Little fact-goverments change all the time I dont need to know you to know that! :rolleyes:

Ciao
Austar Union
03-11-2004, 00:30
Tag. [Post Coming In Due Timing].
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 00:33
OOC-What i'm saying is there are people who IC will allie together to stand against you,Despite the fact that you have allies, they have allies to!

Ciao

OOC: That doesn't answer my question. WHO are they?
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 00:33
Tag. [Post Coming In Due Timing].

OOC: Austar, hey! Been a long time, man. Looking forward to some good RPing.
Witzgall
03-11-2004, 00:36
While the Fuhrer of Witzgall, Fritz Viechal, may oppose such laws due to racial segregation, he does not want to get involved in a war simply because his ally TBD has made new laws.

It is your nation, and you may have any laws you wish as long as they do not affect my nation in any way. And as these correspond to your citizens only, good luck.
Buben
03-11-2004, 00:38
My allies are in my sig- also anybody else who hates rasicist goverments like yours would join to squash you!

OOC- Like I said earlier I cant rp the whole thing but I'll carry this on if you wish?
Anagonia
03-11-2004, 00:44
Transmission to the Burnsian Desert, Allied Republics of Anagonia

Dear Burnsian Desert,

It has been some time since we have last spoken, and as Anagonia has concentrated more on itself over these past few years, we have no placed an eye on the International Scene. Fortunatly, we come to find that one of our Closest Allies, The Burnsian Desert, has a Leader in position. However, unfortunatly, we come to find out that a certian...decision....has been made about ethic groups within the Nation itself.

This new bill is a disappointment to Burnsian/Anagonian relations, and hampers, if still in place, the Good-Will of our....Good Relations of sorts. While we respect that The Burnsian Desert is a Sovreign Nation, we cannot respect this "Oppression" apon its people. For, from our experience, we know there ARE better ways to go about this, even in some sort of civil unrest.

We thank you for your time, and hope to get a response.
Skythania
03-11-2004, 01:05
Black Power!! :) :sniper:
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 04:32
Buben: OOC: I've got enough on my plate right now, thanks anyways.

Anagonia:

Official Response, General Craig

Your note leaves me in a peculiar position. One, I could go ahead and further the bill, which I believe is right for the people, and strain our diplomacy further. On the other hand, I could inquire what you suggest that I do to prevent further terrorist attacks while not drastically increasing my defence budget.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 04:33
Black Power!! :) :sniper:

OOC: IRL, I'm white. In The Burnsian Desert, this bill is to promote the advancement of Native Burnsians, which are more like Latinos.
Caldaron
03-11-2004, 04:58
The Caldaron Soviet Union officialy condemns this action.

Unofficially we support it.

After all, civil unrest in other nations is better for us.
Anagonia
03-11-2004, 12:50
OOC:

Lol, Caldaron.

IC:

Response Transmission to the Burnsian Desert

Dear Burnsian Allies,

After further review over your bill, it has become apparent that no relation strains are needed between our two Great Nations. While we acted prematurely in our effort to ensure no....genocide of any sort would ensue, we apologize for our lack of understanding in this issue and will now declare ourselves neutral until otherwise stated in future notices.

It is noticable that your in a stage of National Development that Anagonia was once in, during the Years of the Confederation, about some odd decades lasting. Intern, we shall take back our previous statement, and shall continue to watch over you with a caring eye.

Thank You, and we again apologize for our lack of understanding.
Iuthia
03-11-2004, 13:24
Proclimation of Ethnic Equality
(Known as the "White Codes")

REALIZING that in the past, whites have oppressed the native peoples of The Burnsian Desert,

ALSO REALIZING that the same whites and others may try to do so again, with force, we are

ENCOURAGING others of different ethnicity to prevent whites from meeting in large groups of five or more,

FORBIDING whites to vote in elections without owning land,

ALSO FORBIDING non-white landowners to share land ownership with whites,

DISCOURAGING whites to attempt to marry non-whites.

ENACTED Monday, 1st of November, 2004

Signed: _______President-General Mitchell K. Craig__________
Date: __10-28-04_
Hm... one can only advise that if you wanted to stop racism from white people to other minorities (or majorities as they may be in your nation) you shouldn't go about oppressing white people in order to stop them from doing it again. Should the tide turn again you could be looking at greater racism and as such these actions would only be furthering the racial hatred between these ethnicities.

We would personally advise that you instead head towards a program of education and social engineering to totally eliminate racism as we once did in Iuthia to great effect... the only racists we have now are those of tourists and immergrants who soon find their opinions to be incorrect in the Iuthian society.

While we reckognise your nations has the right to run itself in this manner, we cannot reckognise this method as anything more then revenge and not social reform for the better. This said, such actions are no different from those of Decisive Action, who has discriminated against non-whites for some time and even protested against a non-white Iuthian ambassador, though we are pleased that they accepted her in the end.

As such, seeing as this is not the only case of racial discrimination in the world we would find it unacceptable for nations to react to this case only and claim that their intentions are against racism. It would be a obvious lie in our opinion as other nations has been discriminating against non-whites for some time... to react to only racism against whites in one nation and to ignore it in another would be discrimination in itself.

Any nation going to war over this matter alone will be concidered for black-listing from Iuthian trade and will be condemned for their war-like approach to ever problem. We will concider working with TBD to resolve this sitation, but at no time is war on the table

thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 16:33
OOC: I was interested in what you would post. The problem with education and social reform, if I know anything about the stuff they do at school, is that they try to make it interesting, but the genre of the stuff just doesn't capture the people's attention. Another thing is that there is a deep-rooted sense in the human psyche (sp?) that change is bad. This is an inhibitor in itself.

So this is easier for me.
Iuthia
03-11-2004, 17:14
OOC: I was interested in what you would post. The problem with education and social reform, if I know anything about the stuff they do at school...

OOC: Hehe, you don't know how durastic Iuthia's methods actually are if compared to that of a normal western society. Generally it's nothing as sensitive as what you may have heard about in school... Iuthia's methods generally rely on indoctination and disapline, followed by education and so on...

It takes a while and it isn't popular to start out with, but ultimately if you want to get rid of racism you will have to change how people think, stop racism before it sets in (you'll find it's something often taught by parents and the society around them). By damn near re-educating people and removing those elements it should eventually, in my opinion, remove racism over several generations. Of course, Iuthia has a different problem caused by our methods... afterall, indoctrinating a people to think in a certain way can do other things. Iuthian's a mildly xenophobic to outsiders, people who haven't been brought up in the Iuthian way are not trusted as much because they are outsiders from a society which isn't as "enlighted".

*cough*

Anyways... just oppressing white people will not solve racism, it will only make it worse in the long run. But it's your choice, I was expressing a IC view in my previous post as IC advise... take it or leave it, it's an IC decision for you to make, this OOC crap isn't important. OOC I don't mind people doing this because I know it doesn't represent your real opinion, but your story.
Hogsweat
03-11-2004, 17:20
We condemn this act by the government of TBD that we supported against the Fabus monarchs. Seeing as though our troops are still in your nation, we request that you repeal this act now or we shall act and remove you from your post and initiate a puppet government. Do you understand?
Comrade Nikita Brezhnelov
Comrade Foreign Minister of the PSRH
Hogsweat
03-11-2004, 17:21
[OOC: Looks like we're at odds Iuthia.]
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 17:24
OOC: Well if you want to do it this way...

IC:

RE

I'm the leader of my nation. I think that I know very well how to run it. Thank you for trying, but this has a deeper motive that you don't know about. This goes farther than just revenge.

Secretary-General Susan McRyan,
Security Secretary
The Burnsian Desert High Military Command Bunker
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 17:26
We condemn this act by the government of TBD that we supported against the Fabus monarchs. Seeing as though our troops are still in your nation, we request that you repeal this act now or we shall act and remove you from your post and initiate a puppet government. Do you understand?
Comrade Nikita Brezhnelov
Comrade Foreign Minister of the PSRH

RE

Well it's not like you could've helped set up a government instead of simply destroying our capital and killing our people!

Undersecretary Raven Trabaja
Propeganda Minister
The Burnsian Desert High Military Command
Moronyicka
03-11-2004, 17:34
I can only begin to think of the response if someone were to start oppress blacks in their country
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 18:05
Bump- bump the night a-waaay...
Guffingford
03-11-2004, 18:09
OOC: This is gonna be fun

IC:
The already hated nation of The Burnsian Desert has fallen into the claws of a most absurd form of stupidity and ignorance. This lunacy cannot be allowed to carry on without hearing from us again. You are being watched.

Franck Gerlach,
Führer of National Socialist Guffingford
Iuthia
03-11-2004, 18:17
I can only begin to think of the response if someone were to start oppress blacks in their country

Funny, I could have sworn that nations like Decisive Action have been doing that for some time now... oh wait, it's ok because their not white people being oppressed. Nevermind.


Comrade Nikita Brezhnelov

I suppose you are going to invade all the other nations which minorities based on the colour of their skin, or do you just like fighting wars against nations you can bully?

Quite frankly I'm tired of nations like yourselves who feel that war is the solution to every problem. If you had paid attention Iuthia will look to resovle this issue with TBD on a diplomatic scale which doesn't include killing more people; something which nations like yourselves have become quite fond of by the looks of it.

Now lets think about this; the government of The Burnsian Desert wouldn't be doing this if the majority of their people didn't support their actions. This means that it's quite likely that there is alot of anti-white feeling in the TBD society and going in there and killing the government will not solve anything... but it would further prove that your a war-mongering government who prefers to think with it's penis then with it's head for a change.

If we were to start wars because we felt other nations policies were stupid you're nation would be under threat. Afterall, declaring war over another nations policy which doesn't even come close to the genocide we've seen in other nations recently which you are ignoring, would be pretty good evidence that your leadership is stupid.

Use your head for a change, we were right not to trust your nation again. You will remain on the black-list until you can show some diplomatic tact for a change.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

OOC: Yes, it does look like we're at odds and it looks like you haven't changed for the better. Nevermind eh?
Belem
03-11-2004, 18:40
The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem is officialy condemning the rogue nation of The Burnisian Desert. The empire finds it amazing how a country can be so foolish and post restrictions on the most productive race in human history.

In order to stave off the almost certain dark age TBD will soon experience the Imperial Empire of Belem is demand that The Burnisan desert immediately repeal this "white code" within 24 hours if not the Imperial Empire will repeal them for you.

The choice is yours.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 18:52
OOC: That's a threat then?
Iuthia
03-11-2004, 18:53
OOC: That's a threat then?

OOC: It's Belem, I wouldn't be surprised if the use of nuclear weapons are threatened later...
Belem
03-11-2004, 18:55
ooc; yep
Hogsweat
03-11-2004, 18:55
See, there are some people worse than me. At least I don't go around throwing nukes around.
Anymore.
Dr_Twist
03-11-2004, 18:57
OOC: That's a threat then?

To keep the present war as low key as possible, the Dr_Twist Government and its allies will Mobilize to Stop Belem and its Allies if they try to Interfere, How ever we only seem Belem preparing to Mobilize when Whites rights are being Violated however we never saw Belem prepare to Mobilize when blacks rights were Violated, only showing the large holes in Belem Foreign Policy.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 18:58
ooc; yep

OOC: Hold up, hold up, aren't you an ally?
Guffingford
03-11-2004, 19:00
OOC: I just love Belem's 'nuclear weapons are handy weapons' approach
Belem
03-11-2004, 19:01
OOC: Hold up, hold up, aren't you an ally?

ooc: uh. I don't think so. unless your a member of the RWC
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 19:02
OOC: Nah, guess not. I was thinking of the whole... never mind.

IC:

RE

Come and get it.
Belem
03-11-2004, 19:03
OOC: I just love Belem's 'nuclear weapons are handy weapons' approach

ooc: speaking of handy weapons want to buy some handheld nuclear devices?
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 19:10
OOC: Nah, guess not. I was thinking of the whole... never mind.

IC:

RE

Come and get it.
Belem
03-11-2004, 19:12
ooc: ok then. quick question how heavy are visible defenses i.e. based on sat, spy planes and general knowledge around Regal and the island where twin cities are.

IC:
The offer to repeal the law still stands unti the deadline is up


----------------

As of now four Imperial fleets are being rerouted to TBD waters as well as over 100 troop transport and supply ships.
They are moving to a position of 1,500 miles north off the coast of Regal.

ETA: 4 RL hours
Guffingford
03-11-2004, 19:13
OOC: bah I don't want to risk losing Dr_Twist as an allie in a war. Belem, let's go after someone else who's high on everyone's enemy list. Hell we're even doing the whole world a favour with it.
Gnomedude
03-11-2004, 19:24
Please be advised that being a nation that accepts all races and genders, we will no longer have any economic dealings with The Burnsian Desert until the "White Codes" are repealed.
Once the above mentioned codes are repealed, we will gladly send humanitarian aid if it is needed.

Tor Basemont
Chief Dude
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 19:25
ooc: ok then. quick question how heavy are visible defenses i.e. based on sat, spy planes and general knowledge around Regal and the island where twin cities are.

IC:
The offer to repeal the law still stands unti the deadline is up


----------------

As of now four Imperial fleets are being rerouted to TBD waters as well as over 100 troop transport and supply ships.
They are moving to a position of 1,500 miles north off the coast of Regal.

ETA: 4 RL hours

OOC: Get through Xeraph's patrols.

And find out what my defenses are. They're posted.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 20:41
bumpage
Belem
03-11-2004, 21:20
ooc: based on your website there are no divisions based in or around hans, is the information there outdated or are there actually no divisions posted there?
Also same question for the coastal region south of Samtien and Sherra.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 21:21
OOC: Outdated. Lemme fix that thing... check it in about 20 minutes.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 21:36
OOC: Ok.
Hogsweat
03-11-2004, 22:00
You don't have divisions in Han's. Han's is controlled by me. if you don't remember.

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We will allow Belem to deploy his airplanes in our airfields, his ships in our waters, and our shores for his troops.


[We own Han's and a small strip to the shore. It is stationed by 800,000 men and a carrier group. =)]
Anagonia
03-11-2004, 22:03
Official Message to the Enemies of The Burnsian Desert

Dear "Comrades" in Arms,

While Anagonia does notice that the Burnsian People are going through a time of....change and decisions....we cannot stand idley by and allow any NATION, whatsoever, to threaten our Long-Time Ally. Anagonia and The Burnsian Desert can discuss this issue further, however, while Anagonia watches closely this Nation, we still have a responsibility to protect Her from all Harm. Intern, I issue this to all Enemies of The Burnsian People:

One step towards attacking, one launch of a missile, one ROCK thrown at her border will be seen as a threat from that given nation. YOU WILL BE OBLITERATED EVEN AT THE COST OF ANAGONIA.

Do I make myself clear? I truly hope so, for we Anagonians fiercly protect our...maturing...allies.
The Burnsian Desert
03-11-2004, 22:03
OOC: I know that I don't have divisions in Han's.

Look at the webpage.
Belem
03-11-2004, 23:02
You don't have divisions in Han's. Han's is controlled by me. if you don't remember.

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We will allow Belem to deploy his airplanes in our airfields, his ships in our waters, and our shores for his troops.


[We own Han's and a small strip to the shore. It is stationed by 800,000 men and a carrier group. =)]

The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem gives its thanks to the nation of hogsweat for the use of there facilities as a staging area.

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Instead of anchoring off the coast of TBD, The four fleets and transport ships towards a position approx. 100 miles off the coast of Hans. The transports upon arrival will begin the offloading of the 4 divisions aboard the ships to forward staging areas within Hogsweat territory.

Meanwhile in Belem cargo and transport planes begin taking off heading towards forward bases in Hans with supplies and logistical and support troops.

Each fleet has:
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger missile ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus battleships
30 Legate Battlecruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion Heavy Destroyers
10 Velite attack subs(secret ic: using caterpillar drives to avoid detection)
numerous support and logistical ships.

Each Armored Division has:
25 thousand troops
10 thousand of which are infantry
700 Crusader I tanks
700 Crusader II tanks
100 Lancer medium tanks
1,000 Cavalier APCs
500 pieces of Self propelled artillery
500 pieces of towed artillery
10 Starlight APC mounted laser turrets(ooc: modern tech they are blinding weapons)
airwing- 100 Nightshade choppers
3,000 thousand support personal assigned to the division(theres alot more not assigned to the division the ones assigned are mainly mechanics for the choppers and medical personnal.)

Troops being deployed to the region: 300-400 thousand (100 thousand combat troops assigned to divisions)
Austar Union
03-11-2004, 23:46
Michael Chuban stood in his office, arms crossed as he was briefed on the full situation about the Burnsian Desert. As head of the Secret Service, he was indeed a clever man, and it didnt take him long to understand what was happening. When he was advised by the action being taken by Belem and Hogsweat, he was rather dissapointed, much like the President who at that very moment was due to send a letter to the Burnsian Desert.

"Well David," he replied after the briefing, "Obviously the President has shown no desire to actually go to war, although he is rather dissapointed in the General of the Burnsian Desert. I for my opinion, agree with the President on this one. A war is far too messy and unneeded. In fact, I really wish Belem wouldnt be attempting this invasion."

Dave nodded, "Indeed Mister Chuban, but as the old saying goes; them's the apples we got, them's the apples we eat."

Michael chuckled, for he was quite familiar with the saying, "Anyhow, Belem's reactiveness has made any operations by us much simple. What has the President shown desire of?"

Dave skimmed the sheet he held in his hands, "It says specifically sir that he has noted that the General and his collegues are the main source of power within that nation, making an invasion completely out of the question. Therefore I suggest we take a passive, yet active approach to this problem."

Dave smiled, "I suppose I can guess what kind of role that would mean for us..."

Chuckling, Michael began to detail carefully what he had in mind. As yet, the plans needed to have the President's approval, but until the proposition was going to be written officially, he could only imagine the possibilities which stood around him. Certainly, the Secret Service would be involved heavily in any operation regarding the Burnsian Desert.

OOC: Talk to ye in AIM TBD.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 00:20
The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem gives its thanks to the nation of hogsweat for the use of there facilities as a staging area.

--------------------

Instead of anchoring off the coast of TBD, The four fleets and transport ships towards a position approx. 100 miles off the coast of Hans. The transports upon arrival will begin the offloading of the 4 divisions aboard the ships to forward staging areas within Hogsweat territory.

Meanwhile in Belem cargo and transport planes begin taking off heading towards forward bases in Hans with supplies and logistical and support troops.

Each fleet has:
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger missile ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus battleships
30 Legate Battlecruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion Heavy Destroyers
10 Velite attack subs(secret ic: using caterpillar drives to avoid detection)
numerous support and logistical ships.

Each Armored Division has:
25 thousand troops
10 thousand of which are infantry
700 Crusader I tanks
700 Crusader II tanks
100 Lancer medium tanks
1,000 Cavalier APCs
500 pieces of Self propelled artillery
500 pieces of towed artillery
10 Starlight APC mounted laser turrets(ooc: modern tech they are blinding weapons)
airwing- 100 Nightshade choppers
3,000 thousand support personal assigned to the division(theres alot more not assigned to the division the ones assigned are mainly mechanics for the choppers and medical personnal.)

Troops being deployed to the region: 300-400 thousand (100 thousand combat troops assigned to divisions)

OOC: For future reference, he has no waters.

He's got a strip of beach and a city. No waters. And you'll have to get those ships through mined waters, infested with subs (attack and boomer). Also, there is a Regional Defence Organization that my region operates. They have naval forces in my area.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 00:32
bump
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 00:34
"We hereby extend an invitation for the honorable General Craig to attend a conference on racial issues in Stahlecker City, here in Western Sahara. His presence would be most welcome and appreciated."


Henry Stahlecker, governor-general of Western Sahara.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 00:41
Since General Craig has some very pressing issues at hand, Undersecretary Karmen Greene will be attending.
Belem
04-11-2004, 00:49
ooc: technically I haven't declared war yet and im sure there are routes which hogsweat uses to get his ships in and I would follow the same route.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 00:50
OOC: He didn't. He invaded my country to get rid of the Fabus regime, and I let him.
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 00:51
Since General Craig has some very pressing issues at hand, Undersecretary Karmen Greene will be attending.


"It would be of great importance for General Craig himself to attend. The main point is we wish to learn from him, personally, himself, what exactly his policies are... We can postpone the meeting until he, himself, can attend."


Henry Stahlecker
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 00:54
Can we do this by teleconferencing?
Belem
04-11-2004, 00:55
ooc: also my ships are over 100 miles out thats well out the range of national waters where mines would be.
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 00:55
Can we do this by teleconferencing?



"I am terribly sorry, we really need to meet in person... Perhaps I could come to TBD if my safety is guaranteed."


Henry Stahlecker
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 00:56
That would be better. We can't have Craig leave the country right now.
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 01:02
"I am very busy, so we will send a representative, I hope you understand... He is my most trusted official, so you can know he speaks on my behalf... I have mess going with the recent ending of slavery, the old slavery rebellion damage still exists, and then there are still some villages damaged in the muslim conflicts of many months ago..."

Henry Stahlecker




Secret IC:

The CICWS (Commonwealth Intelligence Command Western Sahara) was readying their best assassin to go to the meeting as an assistant to the delegate Governor Stahlecker was sending. The man had a small amount of explosives in a pen, he'd make sure Craig picked up the pen, or he'd slip it into his jacket pocket when he wasn't paying close attention, the pen would go off three seconds after being clicked.


Ooc- The CIC, especially CICWS and CICME, have minds of their own. Mississippi himself wants Craig left alone, but ME and WS don't.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 01:06
You do realise that Craig will not be at the meeting?
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 01:22
"We really, really, need to speak with Craig in person..."


Henry Stahlecker
Anagonia
04-11-2004, 01:24
The following is now being put on stand-by for an Operation that would ensue if a Nation attacks the Burnsian People:


Anagonian National Armed Forces

==Air Units==

(Air Superiority Fighter)
480x F-22 Raptor
255x Su-27 FLANKER (SUKHOI)
(Fighter)
800x AV-8B Harrier
2500x F-5A Freedom Fighter
(Bomber)
280x B-1B Lancer
(Attack)
250x A-4M Skyhawk
140x F-117A Nighthawk
140x F-111E
(Fighter/Interceptor)
1000x F-4G Advanced Wild Weasel
(Fighter/Bomber)
2200x F-86H Sabre
2000x F-104 Starfighter
2400x F-4 Phantom II
(Multi-Purpose)
570x F-16D Fighting Falcon
570x F-15E Strike Eagle
420x F/A-18 Hornet
220x A-7 Corsair II
(Support)
3000x A-10 Thunderbolt II
2850x Su-25BM FROGFOOT Grach (Rook)
(Helicopters)
-Attack-
1150x AH-64A Apache
1800x AH-64D Longbow Apache
2000x AH-1F Super Cobra
840x Mi-28N HAVOC
1350x Mi-24V HIND E

-Multi-Purpose-
550x RAH-66 Comanche
-Utility/Support/Transport-
4000x UH-1D Huey Helicopter
2000x V-22 Osprey

==Ground Units==

(Battle Tank)
-Main Battle Tank-
800x M1A2 Abrams
400x Challenger I
-Heavy Battle Tank-
800x M60A3 Patton
400x T-72BV
-Medium Battle Tank-
450x T-55M
-Light Battle Tank-
345x Leopard 2 Battle Tank
(Support Tank)
-Troop Support-
380x M2A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle
350x M3A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle

(Artillery Tank)
450x M109A6 Paladin Self-Propelled Howitzer

==Sea Units==

(Aircraft Carriers)
10x CV-9 Modified ESSEX Class
(Battleships)
20x BB-61 Iowa Class
(Battle Cruisers)
40x Project 68 Modified Sverdlov Class

(Submarines)
Ballistic Missile Submarine
30x 677BDRM Dolphin DELTA IV
25x 941 TYPHOON
25x SSBN-726 Ohio Class
Cruise Missile Submarine
40x SSN-688 Los Angeles Class
40x SSN-671 Narwhal Class
Nuclear
50x Project 971 Shuka-B Akula Class Attack Submarine
50x Project 671 Victor III Class Attack Submarine
28x SSN-594 Permit Class Attack Submarine
Experimental/Conventional
20x Project 641 Foxtrot Class Submarine
15x ASX-01 Modified Foxtrot Class Submarine

=Soldiers=

(First Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Second Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Third Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Fourth Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Fifth Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Military Police
x500,000 Anagonian Elite Forces
x500,000 Counter-Terrorism Forces



Nuclear Capabilities Now on Stand-By for FIRST STRIKE inititives




OTHER MILITARY-RELATED FORCES NOT SPECIFIED ARE CLASSIFIED FOR ANAGONIAN INFORMATIONAL SECURITY
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 01:32
=Soldiers=

(First Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Second Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Third Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Fourth Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x200,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Marines

(Fifth Division)
x1,000,000 Anagonian Military Police
x500,000 Anagonian Elite Forces
x500,000 Counter-Terrorism Forces





Ooc-

Your military doesn't scare me. If you think 2,000,000 soldiers is one division, well then you have no command and control structure and your men are going to be messed up seriously. A division is between 18,000- no more than 40,000, with some exceptions. But 2,000,000. LOL! A Divisional HQ can't handle that much, and the organic support units can't handle it, let alone organic transport.

And who the heck send Military police into battle unless absolutely necessary? And why are you still using T-72s and M-60s? Why do you still even have T-55s around? They have no use except for target practice.

Heck, why are you still using Abrams? (Check my store, link in signature) I produce the T-98, T-99, and T-98W, they can destroy an Abrams before the Abrams can even see them.

You need to seriously rethink that stuff. IM or TG me and I'll help you make a good, decent, realistic, armed forces. If you want my assistance that is.
Anagonia
04-11-2004, 01:35
Ooc-

Your military doesn't scare me. If you think 2,000,000 soldiers is one division, well then you have no command and control structure and your men are going to be messed up seriously. A division is between 18,000- no more than 40,000, with some exceptions. But 2,000,000. LOL! A Divisional HQ can't handle that much, and the organic support units can't handle it, let alone organic transport.

And who the heck send Military police into battle unless absolutely necessary? And why are you still using T-72s and M-60s? Why do you still even have T-55s around? They have no use except for target practice.

Heck, why are you still using Abrams? (Check my store, link in signature) I produce the T-98, T-99, and T-98W, they can destroy an Abrams before the Abrams can even see them.

You need to seriously rethink that stuff. IM or TG me and I'll help you make a good, decent, realistic, armed forces. If you want my assistance that is.


OOC:

Oi, I know, I know.......I haven't been able to update that Microsoft Word in such a long time, it hurts >.<

Yea, I need some help, whats your IM on: Yahoo! or AIM?
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 01:39
OOC:

Oi, I know, I know.......I haven't been able to update that Microsoft Word in such a long time, it hurts >.<

Yea, I need some help, whats your IM on: Yahoo! or AIM?

Ooc- The three buttons under my name and post numbers...


I have MSN, AOL, and YAHOO.

I am currently away showering, well I am by the time you finish reading this. So we can talk shortly.

In short, we can talk shortly.
Anagonia
04-11-2004, 01:47
Ooc- The three buttons under my name and post numbers...


I have MSN, AOL, and YAHOO.

I am currently away showering, well I am by the time you finish reading this. So we can talk shortly.

In short, we can talk shortly.

Rgr.....

Anywho, I REALLY need to update my Armed Forces...soooooo.....perhaps other fellow NationStates people can help too? Hmmm....
Callisdrun
04-11-2004, 02:09
OOC: Note, Callisdrunian official diplomatic messages usually use the royal "we." (like, "We are not amused.")

IC:
We condemn this new law and all that. Really, in Callisdrun, there is a saying. "You cannot fix the sins of the fathers by killing the sons." While we recognize that it was wrong for "whites" (We don't like to use that term in Callisdrun, and do so only with much cringing) to oppress the Burnsien Natives, we also are firmly against any reverse discrimination. What is being done to whites is wrong, and eerily similar to things that happen in Mississippi under the Fabus family. Needless to say, we are very disappointed.

While we strongly urge you to repeal this dubious piece of legislation, we offer our assurences that we do not plan to make a war out of our disagreement. Unless of course, discrimination turns to genocide. We hope that will not happen, though. We wish you the best of luck in your seemingly inevitable confrontation with Belem.

-King Haakon IX
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 02:11
"We really, really, need to speak with Craig in person..."


Henry Stahlecker

I'm sure it is, but let's be frank. We don't trust you. We're sure that you don't trust us wither. Craig won't be there.
Decisive Action
04-11-2004, 02:24
"Eh, could we at least send the general a few gifts to show our good will?"


Henry Stahlecker
Belem
04-11-2004, 02:57
The divisions have finished offloading at Hogsweat port facilities and most of the support structure has arrived via transport plane. The divisions are moving to forward staging areas for ground operations at hogsweat TBD border.

The fleet is postioned 50 miles north of Hans still well out in international waters. ASW choppers and Tracker ASW ships establish an active sonar buoy perimeter 20 miles around the fleet to ward off sub attacks.

25% of the fleets air force is in the air on cap. A total of 320 aircraft are on patrol half are Vampire Air superiority fighters(a slightly more advanced F22) and a Tiger Shark Multirole fighter(basically a f 35)

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7 Submarine Wolfpacks consisting of 10 Lupine attack subs each are being deployed to the area to help establish a stronger sub perimeter.

4 EMP satelites are being thrust into position over TBD into a geosync orbit.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 03:01
Al-Kafar II attack submarines are poised to attack any and all military vessels that come within 20 miles of Burnsian soil. They are equipped with Luna SSMs, which I'm sure you're familiar with.
Belem
04-11-2004, 03:04
ooc: whats the stats on those?
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 03:07
OOC: Lunas? Russian-made, nuclear anti-shipping missiles. Intimidation.
Belem
04-11-2004, 03:34
ooc: ok

IC: The use of nuclear weapons will only result in the total destruction of your nation. That is all the warning you shall recieve.

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unloading of supplies at docks continue despite the "warning" and threat of nuclear weapons.

However the fleet adapts a loose formation pattern to help minimize the effect of a nuclear attack on the fleet.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 04:05
And you think that we won't take your nation down with us?
Belem
04-11-2004, 04:09
No. you won't we have ways to assure that.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 04:11
You must think that a space defence system will stop the missiles. Wrong.
Belem
04-11-2004, 04:19
among other things.

The clock is still ticking on you repealing the laws. The choice is yours.
Belem
04-11-2004, 16:15
An additional 800 Viper interceptors are being deployed to forward air bases within Hans.


ooc: more coming soon
Hogsweat
04-11-2004, 17:33
[OOC: Yes DA, I do have waters. They are minimal though - just where my carrier group is located]
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 21:37
OOC: I'm gunna let the Viper thing fly, even though my subs in the ocean would've shot them down.

IC:

Forward divisions are forming a perimeter around Han's.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 22:12
bump
Hogsweat
04-11-2004, 22:28
TBD, post that in another topic.
Belem
04-11-2004, 22:49
ooc: how many divisions do you have placed around hans TBD?
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 23:20
OOC: Whups, my bad.

and Belem, 19 Infantry, 13 Tank and 5 Artillery, which comes to a grand total of 39 divisions, 780,000 men.
The Burnsian Desert
04-11-2004, 23:29
Continuing the thread here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371133