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Welcome one and all to our weapons showcase. After several requests to find a cheap method of increases the old MiG-27's versatility and effectiveness, Dark Angel Industries has come up with the final solution. Now the MiG-27 Raven is available on demand, and as you will notice, it is a VTOL! Thats right, a Vertical Take Off/Landing Aircraft, making it very Carrier-able.

MiG-27 Raven VTOL(retro-fit)
http://usera.imagecave.com/Daishi/mig-27-comparison.JPG

blue = Raven stats, red = Flogger stats
Primary Function: Low cost Carrier able multi-role, VTOL fighter / ground-attack, fighter
Manufacturer: Dark Angel Industries
Cost: $14M ($5M if you already have the MiG-27 and just want the retro-fit) / $9M
Crew: One / one
Propulsion: Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engine
Speed: Mach 2.6
Length: 56 ft / 55ft
Span: 46 ft, 9 in / 46 ft, 9 in
Ceiling: 60,000 feet / 55,000 feet
Cruise range: 1000 Nautical Miles / 900 Nautical Miles
Systems: AN/ALQ-135(V) internal countermeasures system
AN/ALQ-128 radar warning [Magnavox] suite
AN/ALR-56 radar warning receiver (RWR) [Loral]
AN/ALE-45 chaff/flare dispensers [Tracor]
AN/AVQ-26 Pave Tack
AN/AXQ-14 Data Link System
LANTIRN
LRMTS, RWR, Advanced Bombsight
Armament: 30mm rotary cannon, six AIM-120 AMRAAM Slammer and 4 AIM-132 ASRAAM, ECN Pod, UV-32-57 rocket pod, AA-8 Aphid, FAB-500
GSh-6-N-30 30mm rotary cannon, AS-12, AS-14, AA-8, ECN Pod, UV-32-57 rocket pod, AA-8 Aphid, FAB-500


The MiG-27 "Raven" is an upgraded MiG-27 Flogger, with superior engine, weapons, tracking system, radar systems, and decreased weight then its predecessor. It is faster and more versatile then the origional MiG-27, but the most noticable change is the engine swap, giving it VTOL abilities (Vertical Take Off/Landing), making it carrier-able. It uses a similar propulsion system to the Z-1 Aunin, based around the F115 engine. It also feature larger air intakes for improved engine performace and thrust.

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-Official Ratheian Government Response-

Ratheia is...interested. To say the least. We may desire some of these "Ravens". Are they more efficient than our Yak-141's?

Although your Yak has a superior number of missiles, the ASRAAM missile system is superior to the yaks armaments. Here is a comparison:

blue = Yak red = MiG
range: 750 Nautical Miles / 1000 Nautical Miles (250 miles farther)
Ceiling: 50,000 feet / 60,000 Feet (10,000 feet higher)
Speed: mach 1.8 / mach 2.6 (a difference of Mach .8)

Although your Yak has a superior number of missiles, the ASRAAM missile system is superior to the yaks armaments. Here is a comparison:

blue = Yak red = MiG
range: 750 Nautical Miles / 1000 Nautical Miles (250 miles farther)
Ceiling: 50,000 feet / 60,000 Feet (10,000 feet higher)
Speed: mach 1.8 / mach 2.6 (a difference of Mach .8)

Define ASRAAM. I know it has something to do with advanced air-to-air missiles.

As for the speed of your craft, how did you achieve it? It is highly difficult to develop both V/STOL and supersonic craft.

The standard F115 engine is currently used in such JSF as the F-22 Raptor and the Boeing X-32 JSF. It is capable of producing extreme ammounts of thrust. Coupled with the reduced weight and already very streamlined chasis, the MiG-27 Raven is more then capable of reaching those speeds.


click ASRAAM (http://www.mod.uk/dpa/projects/asraam.htm)

The standard F115 engine is currently used in such JSF as the F-22 Raptor and the Boeing X-32 JSF. It is capable of producing extreme ammounts of thrust. Coupled with the reduced weight and already very streamlined chasis, the MiG-27 Raven is more then capable of reaching those speeds.

Might I have the thrust statistic, please?

My Yak-141's use these:
One Kobchenko/Soyuz R-79-300 turbofan engine rated at 34,170lb for takeoff, two Rybinsk RD- 41 turbofan engines rated at 9,039lb for lift

The Pratt & Whitney Engines would have to have nearly double the thrust and lift, no?

Engine Characteristics

Type: Twin-Spool, Augmented Turbofan
Thrust: 36,000 Pound Thrust Class, approx 10,000 lbs lift from lift nozzle
Engine control: Full-Authority Digital Electronic Control
Compression system: Twin Spool/Counter Rotating/Axial Flow/Low Aspect Ratio
Combustor: Annular
Turbine: Axial Flow/Counter-Rotating
Nozzle: Two Dimensional Vectoring Convergent/Divergent

Engine Characteristics

Type: Twin-Spool, Augmented Turbofan
Thrust: 36,000 Pound Thrust Class, approx 10,000 lbs lift from lift nozzle
Engine control: Full-Authority Digital Electronic Control
Compression system: Twin Spool/Counter Rotating/Axial Flow/Low Aspect Ratio
Combustor: Annular
Turbine: Axial Flow/Counter-Rotating
Nozzle: Two Dimensional Vectoring Convergent/Divergent

Good. Now, in this age of warfare where everything relies on the "fire and forget" system, how will I be able to use your "ravens" when a single F-22 can take out 6 from 150 miles away?

Most 4th Generation Aircraft rely on long range missiles like the AA-9. The ASRAAMS seem to be useless, no?

perhaps this will be more informative:

AIM-132 ASRAAM (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-132.htm)
AIM-120 AMRAAM (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm)

These missiles are more then up-to date they are state of the art. About as Fire and forget as you can find. Also, if you are not interested in these missile at a future date, it is fully adaptable to almost every missile type and you could change it.

also, for your information, Dark Angel industries is working on a ALRAAM (Long range) missile that will also be compatible with all our fighters, including the Raven.

perhaps this will be more informative:

AIM-132 ASRAAM (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-132.htm)
AIM-120 AMRAAM (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm)

These missiles are more then up-to date they are state of the art. About as Fire and forget as you can find. Also, if you are not interested in these missile at a future date, it is fully adaptable to almost every missile type and you could change it.

also, for your information, Dark Angel industries is working on a ALRAAM (Long range) missile that will also be compatible with all our fighters, including the Raven.

Not true. Those are both short-range missiles. Max range of 25 kilometers. The Israeli Python 4 is the most advanced ASRAAM currently in service with a range of 30 kilometers. What I search for is good ALRAAM's.

I use the AA-9 AMOS. Click on the link :AA-9 AMOS (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aa-9.htm)

Ratheia uses these:
AA-9 AMOS
AA-10 ALAMO
AA-11 ARCHER
AA-12 ADDER
Python 4

All of those are currently the best the former USSR has to offer. And Israel.

well as I said, we are currently developing an ALRAAM missile. It should be finished in about 15 minutes (RL)

Also, this fighters is compatible with all Soviet Missile types, as it still uses the old Missile Hard mounts.

I might have what you're after, in the form of the R-37 missile (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336823).

I apologise for the layout; you'll have to scroll down to the bottom to find it.

well as I said, we are currently developing an ALRAAM missile. It should be finished in about 15 minutes (RL)

Also, this fighters is compatible with all Soviet Missile types, as it still uses the old Missile Hard mounts.

Excellent. Does this mean it is compatible with the Python 3? I want to use this craft as an anti-helicopter craft as well.

Python 3 (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/python3.htm)

If it is compatible with Soviet Missiles and Israeli missiles, we will buy.

it is compatible with all Soviet Weapons systems, including Ground attack missiles and Guided Bombs.

and DPUO, if it was anyone else I would get pissed for advertising in my thread :P I'll let this one sliiiiiiiide

TG me your email btw (DPUO)

I might have what you're after, in the form of the R-37 missile (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336823).

I apologise for the layout; you'll have to scroll down to the bottom to find it.

How could i have forgotten about that. That is the uber-top-secret ALRAAM. I buy! I buy many!

if you are going to make a purchase please go to our main storefront by clicking the link in my Signature.

-Official Ratheian Government Response-

We would desire 500 of your "Raven" Aircraft at a cost of 7 Billion Dollars.

Money will be wired upon confirmation.

well I guess you posted before you read that lol

Oh well


Confirmed! your 500 MiG-27 Ravens are under construction and should be ready for pickup in 8 NS months. Thank you for your business and we look forward to meeting your needs again.

Charles Hanson,
Director of Foreign Sales
Dark Angel Industries

well I guess you posted before you read that lol

Oh well


Confirmed! your 500 MiG-27 Ravens are under construction and should be ready for pickup in 8 NS months. Thank you for your business and we look forward to meeting your needs again.

Charles Hanson,
Director of Foreign Sales
Dark Angel Industries

OOC: Sorry 'bout that.

Money has been wired. Thank you very much.

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OOC: Heh! Sorry Blacktower, balls-up.

On, and can I have 1,000 Ravens? I just loooove the Flogger.

OOC: Heh! Sorry Blacktower, balls-up.

On, and can I have 1,000 Ravens? I just loooove the Flogger.


sure you can have them.......... for $14B ;)
but as a favored Nation you will get a 5% discount. Go place an order in the Main Storefront by clicking the link yadayadayada you know the drill :P

Also, our ALRAAM is finished, check it out in the Munitions department

Jawohl. *Wanders off* Why am I favoured btw?

because any friend of USSNA is a friend of mine :D

I can take the discount away... if you prefer....

*Shuts up* :D

No way are you getting Mach 2.6 out of sticking the FW119 JSF derivative into a MiG-27.

First you are using the X-32 varient, which means you are going to have to somehow fit on the very very large air intakes that version requires for VTOL operation which without totally rebiulding the airframe is going to generate soem huge drag factors.

Second the X-32 was only ever given an optimistic max speed of mach1.5 and the MiG-27 as it stands has a higher empty weight even before you start piling on all your extra systems.


oha nd the missiles ignore Ratheia, ASRAAM is one of the best short range missiles out there, python 4 has far too much range for its intended use (these are dogfighting missiles not your priamry air to air weapons and incidentially realible sources putt he rnage at a max of 20km) while ASRAAM his a slightly higher off bore sight angle and is faster. The soviet logn rnage missiles are interesting stat wise but begin to look a little less atractive when you realise they are designed to hit AWACs and not fighters (well the 400km one is) the actual merit of the more popular advanced russian missiles is hard to decide considering that they won't coem intos ervcie until the likes fo Meteor etc will be availble.