NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: This is a leaked document that was emailed to the majority of known international governments on the Imperial database instead of only to the intended recipient.

IC:

---------- Imperial Memorandum For Augustus Sphinct------------

It has come to our attention that in the tiny village of Zergassa there have been 12 cases of teenagers requesting funding for an operation that would lead to a change of their gender. This is unacceptable.

As the mayor of this village it will be your duty to make sure these teenagers are removed from the public stage discretely. We have currently authorised an EIT team to go to the village and assist in their removal.

Once this has been done they are to be transported to the following co-ordinates of the Western Sector 098416. From there we will takeover and take these unwanted persons to a re-education camp. You do not need to know the location of this camp.

The re-education camp will involve shock treatment, pschological torture and intensive hard labour in order to instill the view into these teenagers that they are to become men and not women and that they would otherwise die under these conditions if they were weak women. I wish you the Emperor's salutations in doing this.

Markos Underwoodcliff

------------ End of Document ---------------

Premier's Official Statement:

As long as they pay their taxes, the CSU rarely dictates lifestyle choices.

This is totally wrong and unacceptable. Please desist.

Linfield Hannon

I would never let the government pay for such an operation but if they privately fund it what does it matter.

government responce:
We appauld your works of reeducation. They should remain the way God made them!
end responce

GOOD JOB!*claps*im serious...good job!

government responce:
right
HEY STOP THAT NOW
wad doa you mean??
END MESAGE

bump

Aust congratulates our ally, the Drum Gods and suggests that other nations moind there own buisness.

President Zaitsev read the message boredly and then saved it in his archives before sending a message to Drum Gods.

"Excellent job!"

The Nation of Glemte Hage respects this decision and believes it to be the right one

OCC: BAHAHAHAHAHA

The Dr_Twist Government congratulates the DG Government for theses moves.

IC:

Considering this message was never meant for the international stage we thank the many nations that have congratulated us on this policy.


Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Right Wing Collective
A January 2003 Nation

This is a leaked document that was emailed to the majority of known international governments on the Imperial database instead of only to the intended recipient.

Coming into his office mid-afternoon from playing Tennis with the Lord General, Mick Lakely booted up his computer in order to start typing up his latest report on international affairs.

It had been a rather pleasant day, the perfect weather for Tennis. He had won the game, two sets to one. Clearly he was slowing down like James had said but it wasn't so much for him to lose to the old man yet.

His computers screen blinked on, and loaded up. Being the top of the line it took only moments to reach the desktop and be ready for work.

However, Mick noticed he had recieved an e-mail from a M. Underwoodcliff in Drum Gods... perhaps in was another e-mail asking for his credit card details. Whatever it was he was drawn to opening the e-mail. Without any more thought about it, he clicked "open" and read the contents...

"Gender change?" he said, bemused. Reading it through he then deleeted it.

"Damn spam e-mails." he said before continuing on to do his report.

Shalrirorchia is absolutely appalled at this blatant abuse of human rights. You continue to disgust us with your actions, your heavy-handed imperiousness, and your foolishness.

The U.S.S. demands an immediate cessation to this type of activity. You have no right to force these individuals to be something they do not wish to be.

Refusal of this demand may provoke Shalrirorchia to go to the United Nations Security Council and request sanctions be levied in response. The civilized world has a responsibility to be inclusive, and to frown upon those nations who exclude for political gain, or for right-wing religious doctrine.

Several suited men sat in a brightly lit room around an extravagant mahongany table.

"So gentlemen someone has mentioned something about taking us to some UN Security Council thing about our dealings with these left of centre people."

"United Nations Security Council?," somone replied,"What's that?"

The men turned looking at each other bewildered and uncertain before one of the perked up:

"I think they're trying to threaten us."

A momentary pause.





"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"

The laughter could be heard all around the building at this silly thought.

government responce:
We appauld your works of reeducation. They should remain the way God made them!
end responce

Or maybe thats not how he made them and the flesh buggered up and they were supposed to be women?

Notquiteaplace will take these unfortunate individuals and will accept them, if they live in our nation for 6 months they can apply for citizenship and receive some subsidy on the operations, as while it isnt critical to their survival they shouldnt have to pay for things that nature effectively got wrong.

Anyway its your business, we can only urge you to be less barbaric in your methods and to re educate them if you see this as necessary. Making them work hard will not change who they are or think they are, but brainwashing them might. Its less cruel, and while we disagree with you entirely we think it will be both more sucessful and more humane.

Its not our perogative to stick our noses into the running of countries who are persecuting for reasons other than beleifs. So we arent going to intervene or anything.

We just suggest a change of methods as your methods at present are both cruel and inneffective. Its like hitting a glass to make it as hard as steel.

There will be an element of brainwashing to be sure.

We have to side with Shalrirorchia on this issue. Religous fundamentalism has no place in government. If you have to force that God exists then it seems that he does not. However I say no to going to the U.N. They allow Imperialist nations within their fold and thus can never be seen as a true ally by the Greater Islands. Do not get me wrong transexualism is looked down upon here, but to infringe the rights of the citizenry is a far greater crime.

Sincerely,

Gustovve l'Harre
Chair of International Affairs
The Confederacy of Greater Islands

There will be an element of brainwashing to be sure.

We just believe if you are going to force them to be one thing, why punish them physically for what is you think is in their head?

Just brainwash them. Its cheaper and more humane. Though we still think you are entirely wrong and would rather take them into our nation.

The Dominion of Kanuckistan extends an offer to relocate these persons from your nation at our expense; it is self-evident that you do not want them as they are - surly it would be prefferible to simply deport them to a willing nation at said nation's expense, rather than waste time, money, and effort on an inhuname and possibly futile endevor to 're-educate' them?

We once again warn other nations that any efforts to attack Drum Gods will be met with force. If sanctions are imposed then Aust will aid Drum Gods in getting round them

*sighs* what is with evry one and doing these things well i condem these acations but i wont get invloved unless im threatend in some way ...

These actions are ours to take and will not be changed through the words of others.


Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Right Wing Collective
A January 2003 Nation

We once again warn other nations that any efforts to attack Drum Gods will be met with force. If sanctions are imposed then Aust will aid Drum Gods in getting round them

Since when did Aust know the meaning of the word force? Drum Gods actions are despicable and must be stopped immediately.

Must they really?

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Right Wing Collective
A January 2003 Nation

While a great deal of the, mostly catholic, parliament members did privately not mind this initiative too much, President Mshone Ndelebe and the List For Unity, along with nearly all members of the African Democratic Unity and African People's Front, united to condemn Drum Gods' actions in the name of Human Rights - That being done, all AC corporations along with the public departments were barred from ever doing business with Drum Gods, effective immediately with the passing of the Foreign Economic Sanction, DG-22 act, 123 to 8 votes.

I do not believe our two nations have ever had any dealings politically or economically. Subsequently, your actions are essentially irrelevant to us.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Right Wing Collective
A January 2003 Nation

OOC: Theoritically there would be a small amount of trade with you and every nation in NS.

So to really do anything with embargos, you need a big bunch of rich powerful nations... preferably a few in your region to actually have any effect that would noticed.

OOC: Not really, in order for a trade embargo to work you need to player to acknowledge that his trade will be effected by the nations no longer wishing to trade with them...

Personally I have the nations trading with Iuthia actually listed in a thread as well as noting how the majority of trade comes from my region and nations of the KIST trading agreement... in order for my trade to be affected nations from that thread would have to have halted trading.

If someone such as Automagfreek (as an example, I have good relations with the Dreadlord) were to instigate a trade embargo (again, unlikely because they would be more likely to do something more effective) I can look him up on my list and note that he's not really trading with me in the first place and RP the effect as a slight fall in stock prices, which will pick up as other nations make up for the minute trade lost.

If only I could be bothered to do that..... wait, I might be! =D

The Empire of Totenland has received an misadressed notice about sexual perversions rehabilitation methods being used in your country. It is not our intention to interfere in any of your daily petty dealings, but we feel obligated to point out the utter unusefulness of this money wasting procedure.
From our experience, dealing with sexual perversions, simple straightforward executions proved much faster, more economically viable and so definitive that, nowadays, demands for sex-change operations have dropped to almost non-existant.

Still, we salute your spirit and which you an everlasting fortune of pedals.

Erenreich Von Tote
Überkaizer
Minister of economy, social measures and
capital punishment

Yeah but everyone will trade slightly.

For an embargo by less than fourty countries, of which four or five are in your region, you do need to have official trade, but for instance, I assume my nation tries to sell to any place that it can sell competitively in. It would be the same for most economies in NS where they have a good degree of economic freedom as you cant control it.

However it likely to be a very small amount of trade if it isnt officially recognoised or in a small region.

For instance my nation doesnt officially trade with AMF, to use your example, so if he stopped trading maybe one of my companies would lose a couple of customers, I mean it wouldnt have a telling effect. However if 50 frightening level economies like his, of over 2 billion people were to embargo me, I might have to RP a slightly hurt GDP.

If my regional neightbour Irondin did the same, who i trade freely and frequently with, it would probably have more the effect of the above 2 billion band all slapping embagos.

I mean, if you dont have official ties you can assume its miniscule. Thats a fair cop. But just because your government hasnt officially sanctioned trade, it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Especially if you or them have strong free market economies.

Though if your government is in control of trade... it might be a bit different.

Though if your government is in control of trade... it might be a bit different.

That is generally the case... Iuthia is unfortunatly close to communism in some economic respects and they have a large say in who we trade with and who we don't. Thats why our economy isn't perfect because it's already got a limiting structure.

However, I can only think of one case ever where we got close to 50 large nations placing a trade embargo... and that was with Allanea. He still didn't really RP damage but like I said it's down to the nations personal choices.

I would say you are right to a degree, but you are assuming alot out of the trade. I would say that even if 20 large nations decided to cut the meager trade they had with you then the likely effect would be a minor slump in the economy with a relatively speedy recovery as the world has over 100'000 other nations, most of which are just as competative and eager for trade. The companies would loose a little from having to switch, but could find new contacts relatively fast.

However, should nations who are directly linked to your economy cut their trade (such as nations who you actually RP trade with or nations in your region which you concider yourself to be close to) then there should be some damage.

OOC: Agreed. Yeah I cant argue with that lot up there. It all makes sense to me.

I think I may have been one of those 50 actually. But im not sure. When a nation was invaded over bible licensing or something?

My nation trades extensively, but it runs a deficit, which means that cutting trade wouldnt be as damaging as youd think actually infact for a few weeks t would boost our GDP. But even though my GDP would "Increase" as an immediate result, my industry would suffer in the long run.

So what's going on?

So what's going on?

OOC:
Did you ignore my statment and offer, or just lump it in with your 'we don't care what others think'-esque statment?

If only I could be bothered to do that..... wait, I might be! =D

OOC: You and picking fights... :D

So what's going on?

OOC: Not a lot I noticed. Except that We will take your transexuals if you dont want them. Much better for all concerned.

Well, when the civil war finishes. Right now its not a good idea to run to NQP as a refugee as you might just get killed by psychopathic dictators and their hyponotically programmed soldiers.