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Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft
Crew: One
Powerplant Two Kimmel Technologies ZZF-0232 axial-flow turbojets with afterburners, each producing 31,800 pounds of thrust
Dimensions
Length: 58 ft
Wingspan: 43 ft, 11 in
Height: 14ft, 9 in
Weights
Empty: 34,000 lb
Max . Take off Weight (TOW): 72,000 lb
Performance
Speed: Mach 3.9
Ceiling: 50,000+ ft
Range: 1,650 miles
Armament
One 30-mm cannon, 26,827 lb on 12 internal hardpoints


Prices
Unit Price: $50,000,000.00
Ally Price: $42,000,000.00

The F-102 "Numen VI" is a new addition to the Witzgallian Air Force. The original "Numen" ZFighter Jet and all other Numen Jets up to VI were test planes used to develop "High-Angle-of-Attack" aircraft fighters. They all got very close to success, but they all experienced problems and bugs in their design.

With the F-102 "Numen VI" ZFighter Jet, the engineers at Kimmel Technologies struck gold. The F-102 "Numen VI" demonstrated stabilized flight at angles of attack between 70 and 80 degrees using thrust vectoring vanes on test flights, which went way beyond that of the expected angles of stabilized flight.

The F-102 "Numen VI" ZFighter Jet can go to speeds up to Mach 4, which literally shatters the Mig-25R Foxbat-B's speed record of 3.9 (I know many NS nations have faster aircraft, but this is sincerely realistic).

The word "Numen" means "divine power" in Latin, and really does define the F-102.

If you have any questions about the F-102 or previous Numen ZFighters, please ask in this thread.

I'll buy 1,000 for a grand total of 50 billion. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks.

Order confirmed and processed.

The Numen VI also equips an airframe that is 10% thermoresistant plastic, 70% titanium, and 20% Composites, just to let you know.

Thanks!

You're very welcome, and thank you for buying from us.

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i'll take ten for a grand total of 500,000,000 credits. Money will be wired on confirmation. :)

Order confirmed and processed.

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what's with the bumping? isn't that outlawed? :sniper:
i officially declare war. 10 Numen VI fighters are escorting 100 aurora fighter-bombers with nukes to bomb your capital...

Errrr....bumping is not outlawed. Where'd you get that?

And don't spam my thread. That's outlawed.

im calling off the attack, but is isn't the last you'll hear from me! :sniper:

Well, now I cancel your order of Numen VI's. Have a grand day. :p

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I'll buy 1,000 for a grand total of 50 billion. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks.

Same here.

I would like to order 5 of these jets with extra parts as to test them to their limits to see if they beat my own fighters...um...how much will that cost me?

Order confirmed Jaxusism.


Scoyle, you are an ally on numerous degrees, so you get the 42mil price. Extra parts will cost $20 mil.

The total is $230,000,000.00, Scoyle. Please telegram my nation with the test results.

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.:.:.:.:Money Sent and Awaiting Planes and Parts:.:.:.:.

They will be rush ordered at no additional price. Expect them in four NS months.

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Message from: Kingdom of Asurnahb
Type: Invoice
Subject: Acquisition of Aircraft

>> Under the directorate of the Asurnahb Airforce, we would like to purchase 85 of your Aircraft, the equilivant of one of our Air Wings. We purhcase this equipment with trust in your production and design capabilities. We hope this trust is well placed. If the Wing performance is satisfactory, more shall be purchased in the following years.

Aircraft: 85

Total: 4,250,000,000

You're order is confirmed, and we threw in some extra parts for free.

OOC: No way a fighter can hit 3.9 with afterburning turbojets. The only aircraft close to that, the Blackbird, used ramjet style engines.

Yes it is possible.

Mach 4.1 was reached twice with a prototype MiG-25 Foxbat about five years ago. I will search for the article on the internet, but it is russian (i used babelfish by AltaVista to translate it.)

Also, the SR-71 is MUCH larger of an aircraft than the Numen VI. And the engine design is derived almost directly from the Blackbird. The Blackbird uses axial engines, as does this jet fighter.

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That's BS, the Russian article. Perhaps if the Foxbat was diving straight down with no other weaponry and equipment, yes.

So maybe if this fighter had no weapons and equipment other than a camera, and you want horrible cruising efficiency, you could reach 3.9 on a good day.

BS? I gotta find it just to shove it in your face.

And the MiG goes 3.2 normally, with weapons, and thats on EXTERNAL hardpoints. This has internal. Therefor, wind resistance is extremely lower than the Foxbat.

Don't have me argue aero-technology with you...

2. SR-71 Blackbird (YF-12) Mach 3.2+ 85,000+ feet
3. MiG-25R Foxbat-B Mach 3.2 123,524 feet
3. X-2 Mach 3.2 126,200 feet
4. XB-70 Valkyrie Mach 3.1 77,350 feet

these are some of the fastest aircraft.

ALSO:

The MiG-25 was designed to counter the Mach 3 XB-70 Valkyrie and has the ability to reach Mach 2.8+.

Therefor, it is possible. Very possible.

Two Suyuz/Tumansky R-12BD-300 single shaft turbojets at 49,400 lb (220 kN) total

The engines on my fighter are much more powerful, so I really don't know what you're talking about. The engines on the Foxbat may have more thrust, but since my plane is lighter and more aerodynamic, a MAXIMUM SPEED of Mach 3.9 is totally realistic.

Also, Mach is rated larger at sea level than at 40,000ft. The speed of Mach 3.9 is at 35,000ft. Therefor, it is completely possible in real life.

There is just no argument on your side.

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OOC: If it could hit 4.1, why do all the records say otherwise?

You can't trust everything you read on the internet. The 3.2, fine. But 4.1 is ridiculous. I can find several sites on the internet in english describing how the Russians also have a micronuclear plasma warhead on Kornets that can vaporize Abrams tanks, with footage as well. But is it true?

The 3.9 speed might work if you drastically change the weight-thrust-payload ratio of the aircraft and do a no weapon recce mission. But I'm just saying that you're sacrificing combat speed and efficiency.

The MiG-25R also happens to be a reconaissance fighter. The idea was to fly very high and very fast. There is, however, a good deal of difference between strategic recon and multirole.

The MiG-25 itself was supposed to be a long-range interceptor, born from the idea that big, heavy fighters flying at high speeds with long range missiles would be tremendously effective.

What you have is a multirole fighter with 70-80 degree thrust vectoring capabilities. I would question the need for it to go above Mach 3, or even close to Mach 3.

Oh, and I'm not sure if it's such a good idea to argue with New Empire.

I know...Mach 3.9 is not to be used in combat. It could be used to pursue enemies, however, you can't dogfight at 3.9. That's thinking crazy.

It is possible to do these speeds with weapons, but you really can't drop bombs or fire missiles at such high speeds. You'd probably end up hitting them :p

The MiG-25R also happens to be a reconaissance fighter. The idea was to fly very high and very fast. There is, however, a good deal of difference between strategic recon and multirole.

The MiG-25 itself was supposed to be a long-range interceptor, born from the idea that big, heavy fighters flying at high speeds with long range missiles would be tremendously effective.

What you have is a multirole fighter with 70-80 degree thrust vectoring capabilities. I would question the need for it to go above Mach 3, or even close to Mach 3.

Oh, and I'm not sure if it's such a good idea to argue with New Empire.

Eh hem. Since when are you in this? And yes, the Mig-25 may be a reconaissance fighter, but it is intended to be a fighter with the other role of reconnaisance. It can be either.

It does not need to go Mach 3 or above it. It can though, in all reality. I'm just saying it can if you want it to.

And what about arguing? We're discussing this maturely.

Jjuulliiaan would like to order 1000 of these jets for a total of 5 trillion dollars. Could we get a bulk discount?
Also, please note that we can afford this as we are a nation of almost 3 billion people.
Money will be wired securely upon confirmation.

OOC: All the sites I've been to say max speed for armed MiG-25/31 upgrade is 2.83, and this fighter is roughly similar.

But you do realize the reason the Blackbird has those huge engines and no other US aircraft use them anymore is because they have awful fuel and cruise efficiency below supersonic.

This is better off as an interceptor than a ground attack plane.

I will give them to you for 4.5 trillion. You're order is confirmed, yet it will take around 10 NS years.

Mutli-role. As in it can do both.

Eh hem. Since when are you in this? And yes, the Mig-25 may be a reconaissance fighter, but it is intended to be a fighter with the other role of reconnaisance. It can be either.

It does not need to go Mach 3 or above it. It can though, in all reality. I'm just saying it can if you want it to.

And what about arguing? We're discussing this maturely.

Discussing, sorry. I was not in this; if you didn't want others to comment on your...discussion...sorry, I was not aware.

I do enjoy your opinion, but you just jumped in. Sorry to make myself look like an ass.

No problems. ;)

Alright then. Continue with the discussion/argument/buying.

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Anybody else care to discuss something about the aircraft, or anyone have any questions?

OOC: Not really. Modern interceptors operate at high altitude, high speed to intercept cruise missiles or bombers.

Ground attack fly low and slow to stay stealthy and conserve fuel.

Since the engine design you use isn't very fuel efficient and doesn't lend itself to attack range, I'd use this as an interceptor.

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OOC: Not really. Modern interceptors operate at high altitude, high speed to intercept cruise missiles or bombers.

Ground attack fly low and slow to stay stealthy and conserve fuel.

Since the engine design you use isn't very fuel efficient and doesn't lend itself to attack range, I'd use this as an interceptor.

It's main "priority" would be that of an air-superiority fighter/interceptor. However, this design is good for ground attack due to the fact that it has a stable ride at high degrees of angles.

It is mainly used for intercepting bombers, but it can change roles. When switched into the ground-attack role, it has to be changed and will undoubtedly go slower than when flying at said higher-altitudes.

It is up to the consumer as to which role they are going to use the aircraft as. I'd recommend it and use it as an interceptor in my Air Force like you said, but the ground attack role can be used solely as a convenience. I recommend using other planes on the market for ground attack, but if your nation is cheap and you have these, you can substitute those planes with this.

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