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TSales of the F3000 have been halted due to the impending arrival of the upgraded model.

How much for non-commercial production rights?

Due to recent terrorist events upon allied nations, you have been labeled as a possible terrorist harbouring nation by many. As with other fellow nations that have the same image we cannot sell any weapons to your nation, this includes production rights.

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How is the F3000 Rapier Any different form the USAF F/A-22 Raptor?

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How can it still be stealthy with missiles hanging off of the wings? That would make it pretty visible on a radar scope.

How can it still be stealthy with missiles hanging off of the wings? That would make it pretty visible on a radar scope.

Good Point...How can it ESCO?

The F3000 Rapier ASF features more hardpoints/pylons and missiles that have a longer range, a more powerful, longer range radar, engines that weigh less, are more powerful, create less heat & noise. The F3000 also is faster, more manuverable etc. Also it costs over 20 million dollars less, this allows you to have a faster, more powerful, better overall aircraft and doing it at a much more inexpensive price.

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OOC: So...its the cheap imitation of the USAF f/a-22 Raptor for those countries who can't afford to buy the "more expensive" aircraft...

IC: Thank you for the quick response. However, it still can't be considered stealth according to your schematics.

I.A.T.

No, but it can be considered 'reduced radar signature', like the B1 bomber.

To answer your question Doomingsland, there are two missiles "hanging off the sides" the rest are stored in the fuselage much like the F/A-22. You don't have to use the available spots for those two missiles they are just there for conveinence. In truth the radar signature from those missiles would give a signature, that is if you chose to put the missiles there. The F3000 can still handel itself quite well without the 2 external pylons empty with 6 Long Range AAM stored internally.


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It is not a "stealth" aircraft but is "stealthy" meaning it has properties to reduce its radar signature, heat signature, visual appearence, and noise.

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OOC: I wouldn't call it "cheap" because with its properties it could be considered a better aircraft

Thank you for the clarification. Good luck with your sales

I.A.T.

Thank god for the NAFDA system...

Random Iuthian Diplomat

The genocide lovers of Fruity Loops would like to buy 10 of these aircraft

The ammount i believe is...510million am i correct?

Fruity Loops

Your order for 10 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED

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The U.S.S. wants to know if you have any bleeding-edge designs. Cost is not an issue.

OOC: I know ill remember as soon as you tell me but...Bleeding Edge?

Relatively minor issue, but with a maximum take-off weight of 60,000 lbs, and an empty weight of 30,867 lbs, it's physically impossible for the aircraft to carry 30,000 lbs of munitions. That not only exceeds the take-off weight, but it also leaves no room for fuel. In reality, the aircraft should have at least a good 10-15,000 lbs of internal fuel, with that generally cut off of the ordnance capacity. High payload is useless if it's not going anywhere. Internal payload is also limited. What you said might suggest to people that it can carry 15 2000 lb bombs internally, which is something only a heavy bomber could do. The F-22 can only carry a pair of 1000 class JDAMs, do more to space than payload restrictions. Keep that in mind.

Engines: 35,000 lbs thrust is a lot. Even the F-15E's FlOO-PW-229 on afterburner doesn't break that much. In other words, these have to be very large high-bypass turbofans that will not only be the great big neon sign on IR, but will be incapable of the F-22s supercruise. For further reference, 15,000 lbs fuel should give a radius in the 650-700 mile range without drop tanks with these.

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Thanks CSJ, I edited the stats to coincide with the weights of the missiles that it will carry, remember i'm new at this :)

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What my estemed rulers are dancing around is this. Dose it carry Oddles of Neuclear weapons with witch to pound all opposition into radioactive dust. Or at least slag hundreds of miles of land at a shot?

Don't clog my thread with this rubbish, you are ignored.

OOC:dude....that's an F/A-22 Raptor....

It's basically the same as the F/A-22! You just edited the stats and made it faster, more weight capacity, and slightly better range!
It's the same damn plane!
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It's very close to the F/A-22. However, that's a mark for him, not against. The first step to designing good original aircraft is to take existing ones and do some slight modifications to the stats. I prefer this over many of the more completely original designs as it's much more firmly rooted in reality.
Besides, I'm sure Demidia will be getting further away from real designs as he gets more comfortable.

As for the aircraft, it still has notable differences. First off, those should still be high-bypass turbofans, and their power will mean that this has a much greater IR signature than the F/A-22. It's also still limited to subsonic cruising. Additionally, it has the MiG-31's radar rather than the advanced LPI radar of the F/A-22. This is closer to the APG-71 radar of the F-14 in capability, which leaves it somewhat inferior in several areas. All told, the plane is a bit less advanced than the F/A-22, but is notably cheaper.

It's very close to the F/A-22. However, that's a mark for him, not against. The first step to designing good original aircraft is to take existing ones and do some slight modifications to the stats. I prefer this over many of the more completely original designs as it's much more firmly rooted in reality.[OOC: I agree with CSJ on this point. Many of the designs I have in the Portland Iron Works and all three of the designs I have in the Avalon Aerospace Corporation are based on RL designs. They give you a more realistic basis to follow when you design equipment and the modifications make your design unique and copyrightable.

I think it shows creativity to modify an existing design or combine features of two designs into one class. Yes, it might be creative to design a completely original class, but even modifications to an existing can show thought and inventiveness.]

Yes, but you should not just copy stats and edit them slightly and rename it...I mean, using a real plane as reference in order to design new and unique weapons is fine and OK by me, but come on...stealing stats and just minor touching-up is ridiculous.

However...he is new, so I guess this is a good start. :)

Witzgall, what does it have in common? Most aircraft designed on NS have the picture of another aircraft, otherwise the two aircraft are very different. I didn't "steal" anything.

i wasn't referring to you, i was saying that's cheap

i'm happy you didn't do it, but it was very close to the F/A-22 before

Ah, sorry thought you meant me.

From here on in all posts should only be for ordering or related posts.

The F-22's per-unit-cost of...upwards of $83mn (I believe) is due largely to the fact that the initial production run of 750 was slashed to under 400. Demidia's price is reasonable, and as for as I have seen, an upgrade of the F-22 rather than a cheaper alternative.

Witzgall, the only thing in common with the F-22 Demidia's fighter has that I've seen are its dimensions (obviously, given the images used) and has a lot of substance in the description.


IC

Zoogiedom would like to acquire two full squadrons of sixteen fighters each for testing purposes; the appropriate sum will be wired to you pending acceptance. Thank you in advance,

Defense Dept.
Zoogiedom

The esteemed Government of Zoogiedom,
Your order for 10 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED

We hope you find the aircraft more than adequate.

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Customer Service

Demidia-Zoogie (i though u were just Demidia)

Demidia and I are planning to do a joint storefront; thus, this account.

I C...

All posts by Demidia-Zoogie are legal Demidia & Zoogiedom posts.

(Too lazy to switch accounts)

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The Juosh Aerial Defense Agency would like to know the cost for the production rights of the F-3000 Rapier ASF.

Jordan Hall
CEO of Juosh Aerial Defense Co.

F3000 “Rapier” Air Superiority Fighter

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/F22_formation.jpg

Embodying everything that aeronautical science has learned in the 20th century, the F-3000 is destined to be the top gun of the 21st century. Developed by Demidia & Adtopolis it will be the cornerstone of any air force over the next 25 years, This is the fighter of tomorrow, bristling with the products of advanced science, relying on new technology for a hi-tech victory in aerial combat, in any theatre of war.

Specifications

Contractor: ESCO Aviation & Adtopolis Engineering

Wing Area: 840 sq. feet.
Total Engine Thrust: 60 000 lb
Level Speed: Mach 2.6+
Total Length: 61.2 Feet
Wing Span: 44.2 Feet
Horizontal Tail Span: 28.4 Feet
Total Height: 16.24 Feet
Track Width: 9.4 Feet
Engines: ESCO Iroquois III Turbofans
Max. Takeoff Weight: 60 000 lb
Max. Internal Stores: 18 000 lb
Weight Empty: 28 867 lb
Ceiling: 58, 000 ft
Crew: 1
G-Limit: 9+

Outer Surface Components
40% Titanium (Georgetown Metal Works)
30% Composites (Adtopolis Engineering)
15% Aluminum (Adtopolis Foundary)
15% Thermo-Plastic (DAUC Plastics)

http://www.pogo.org/m/dp/f22raptor.jpg

Inner Structure
The structural loads of the F3000 are absorbed by multiple titanium bulkheads.

Wings
The Rapier has large wings to allow it to perform at high speeds, they also double as fuel tanks. The leading edge allow it to have an extremely high angle of attack over 75 degrees.

Weapons Bay
The weapon bays are all internally concealed (much like a stealth bomber). On the low bottom left and right sides of the aircraft. The missiles are ejected out by a special mechanism. The aircraft can house 2 external Racer Medium Range AAM and 4 internal Fatboy Long Range AAM.

Armament
The F3000 featrues dual left and right wing root mounted 30mm Rotary Cannons. The bullets fired are longer and are spun using a carbon composite. The Rapier features 2 Racer Medium Range AAM externally, and 4 internal Fatboy Long Range AAM.

http://www.edwards.af.mil/gallery/html_pgs/images/f-22/landing_072.jpg

Landing Gear
The landing gear is produced by Adtopolis Engineering, and is a tricycle type with the rear pylons featuring tandem wheel undercarriages allowing it to take off and land in hazardous conditions.

Stealth
To be stealthy, a plane must:
- Be hard to see with the naked eye.
- Making no sound.
- Heat signature must be minimal.
- The plane must absorb radar beams.
- Contrails and other signatures must be eliminated.

Radar Protection
The F3000 was designed to be as stealthy as possible, the Rapier is triangular shaped to reflect radar waves away from radar stations. As another feature, radar absorbent material covers the entire fuselage

Heat Reduction
Heat signatures are a weakness to any stealth aircraft, the Iroquois III Engines featured on the Rapier are designed to minimize heat, the tail of the plane also helps conceal to heat signature of the aircraft.

Turbulence Reduction
Turbulence is caused by the movement of the plane through the air. The Rapier is EXTREMELY aerodynamic to eliminate any turbulence caused by the Mach 2.6+ speed of the Rapier.

Visual Stealth
A special paint scheme hides the plane from view with the naked eye, also a special cold acid is sprayed on the exhaust as the leaves the plane to eliminate any contrails produced.

Radar
The radar used on the Rapier is the Russian Zaslon Radar capable of over 150+ miles range. This allows the Rapier to target over 7 targets at once, allowing it to be very successful in the battlezone.

Cost: 50 Million Dollars

I would like to purchase 500 of them for 25,000,000,000.00 Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks!

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Please TG me the confirmation (or lack thereof). Thanks!

i would like 4 of these aircraft, my nation has been in the dark for a long time, and our former military supplies are no longer addiquit (sp?) for our needs, also it seems the nation that used to host our air force is gone now, so we need a new nation with good air defences to host our military forces in, we will pay them a monthly fee, and in case of a invasion ally with them in expelling the forces, thank you.

We will pay you for these aircraft when we are sure that you will produce them for us, once again, thanks.

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To: The Nation of Roach-Busters
Your order of 500 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
Production has begun and you shall receive them within 3 NS years.

To: The Nation of Mislokivia
Your order of 4 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
Production has begun and you shall recieve them within 1 NS year. As pertaining to your request, you may have the following bases at your disposal for a fee of 7.2 Million Dollars a year + operating costs:
St. Joachim Air Force Base
Georgetown Army Base
Docks 40-70 at Port Demidia

To: The Nation of Roach-Busters
Your order of 500 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
Production has begun and you shall receive them within 3 NS years.

To: The Nation of Mislokivia
Your order of 4 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
Production has begun and you shall recieve them within 1 NS year. As pertaining to your request, you may have the following bases at your disposal for a fee of 7.2 Million Dollars a year + operating costs:
St. Joachim Air Force Base
Georgetown Army Base
Docks 40-70 at Port Demidia

Thanks!

Juosh Defense Agency
We at ESCO Aviation must deny your request for production rights at this time, production rights are not for sale.

ESCO Aviation
Customer Service

To: The Nation of Roach-Busters
Your order of 500 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
Production has begun and you shall receive them within 3 NS years.

To: The Nation of Mislokivia
Your order of 4 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
Production has begun and you shall recieve them within 1 NS year. As pertaining to your request, you may have the following bases at your disposal for a fee of 7.2 Million Dollars a year + operating costs:
St. Joachim Air Force Base
Georgetown Army Base
Docks 40-70 at Port Demidia

alright, your payment shall be sent shortly.

as for the bases, we will pay half now and half when we get our forces moved into these basses, thank you.

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F3000 Rapier C/D Coming Soon!

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Coming Soon from ESCO Aviation, the "Paladin" Strike Fighter, look for it at a thread near you!

The Juosh Aerial Defense Agency would like to purchase 10 F3000 Rapier ASF for a total of 500 million USD. Money will be wired upon confirmation.

Juosh Aerial Defense Agency:
Your order for 10 F3000 Rapier ASF has been: ACCEPTED
We thank you for your order.

ESCO Aviation
Customer Service

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The PRWE wants to place the following order:

-200 Mirage3000 worth 1 billion

OOC: Mirage 3000?

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Would you mind If I buy the Production Rights?? I'll pay 20 billion USD

We thank you for your offer, but must decline. We feel as though our technology is far too valuable to our industry to be built elsewhere.

We thank you for your offer, but must decline. We feel as though our technology is far too valuable to our industry to be built elsewhere.

That's fine with me.

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The oman Air Force Would like to by 3000 F3000 Rapiers to meet the demands of Air Superiority.

Total: $150 billion USD

Your order for: 3000
For the total of: 150 Billion Dollars
Has been: ACCEPTED

Please wire total no later than September 10th 2005

ESCO Aviation
Customer Service

The Confederacy of Spizania wishes to order 50 Rapier Jets for use in the ongoing VSI campaing, please deliver tehm to Spizania Military Base, Castle, VSI
2.5 bn dollars will be ired on comfirmation

Your order for: 50
For the total of: 2.5 Billion Dollars
Has been: DENIED

We apologize for any inconveinence.

ESCO Aviation
Customer Service

May I know why?

As for the aircraft, it still has notable differences. First off, those should still be high-bypass turbofans, and their power will mean that this has a much greater IR signature than the F/A-22. It's also still limited to subsonic cruising.
OOC: Erm, high-bypass ratio turbofans aren't so efficient at high speed and supersonic flight (subsonic airliners use high-bypass turbofans). Most fighters have low bypass ratio turbofans -- some are almost turbojets -- but it's true that the engines with glow like crazy to an IR sensor. Engines for supercruise, such as the Pratt and Whitney's F119 and Eurojet's EJ200, require high compression temperatures to perform that feat, but it also eliminates the requirement to use reheat, which is the same as wearing Piccadilly Circus or Times Square around your neck. Written in small letters to avoid excessive spamming.

St. Jstep

Would like to inquire about a purchase of these jets in order to protect our small nation.

We think that 32 would be enough.
We are a nation with a standing army to protect the Jatholic church, and to be used for peacekeeping uses.

Thank you

Sales of the Rapier have been here on in cancelled pending the arrival of the Rapier II.

I would like to have infomation about the Rapier II. Is it possible to upgrade the Rapier to the Rapier II?

*money wired*

Please visit the Rapier II thread. Unfortunately their would be too many changes that it wouldn't be cost effective.

Doug Paul
ESCO Aviation.

Please visit the Rapier II thread. Unfortunately their would be too many changes that it wouldn't be cost effective.

Doug Paul
ESCO Aviation.

OCC: Could you give me the link??