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[Targul Frumos, Freemantia Territory]
The port of Targul Frumos was full of chaos as logistical personnel funneled supplies back and forth between supply depots and ships. Cranes, operating hydrolic pulley systems, were loading missiles onto their respective systems on board the ship and the TENEX SKY-6/MRT-1 Ship Based Radar was being overlooked for any last minute problems on each ship. The carrier based aircraft were also being looked over, especially the TENEX SKY-6/MRT-2 radar systems, and shackle missile systems.

Over the past year a massive stockpile in missiles and such had been ordered by Emperor Jonathan VII, barely thirty-seven years old himself. Over one hundred thousand MTAAM Sky Shark Air to Air missiles - one of the most advanced air to air missiles in use around the world. Also, for use on Rapid Response Launchers, a SAM system devised on Macabee ship, thousands upon thousands of Praetorian IV surface to air missiles had been contructed - which were, incidently, also very good anti-missile systems. In short, thousands upon thousands of every type of missile in use by the Macabees frequently in the scenario of war was built - and some of other missiles used less frequently. These included, importantly, the Principe III submarine anti-ship missile, the MT-1 and MT-2 supercaviational torpedo in use by the Macabees, and the MAT-1 anti-torpedo used by the Macabees.

A massive fleet would be conjured in Targul Frumos, although, some of the fleet would be dispersed along the coast to smaller stations due to the lack of room in Targul Frumos and to sheer protective measures in case of pre-emptive attack. However, every naval ship was protected by 2nd Generation MetalStorm, as well as 2nd Generation CWIS, as well as one of the best sonar and radar systems known to man. The fleet, renamed the 1st Macabee Fleet, was composed of three task forces, which came to a total of:


20 Model class Aircraft Carriers
5 Raus class Escort Carriers
30 Clauswitz class Frigates
30 Seydlitz class Cruisers
50 Manstein class Destroyers
20 Balck class Missile Ships
70 Patrol Boats
200 Other Ships and Support Ships


Also, being sent are fifty Type II Toledo class SSNs. However, they are not to port. Instead they are on patrol routes two hundred kilometers out, using their towed array TB-23 sonar to look for possible contacts trying to attack Targul Frumos and the support ports around it. The Toledo class was a very advanced class of SSNs, using anachoic tiles to absorb sonar pings at maximum range, and being equipped with a powerful array of ordnance, including the supercavitating torpedoes and the MAT-1 anti-torpedoes, as well as the Principe IIIs - all of it depended on the mission at hand... for now they had four MT-1s, four MAT-1s and twenty Principe IIIs. If their mission changed they would be re-supplied.

This mobilization was a consequence of the general talks in the RWA political spectrum, and the need for Macabee readiness for war. However, specific targets were not announced, and there was no need for suspicion from any other nation since the Macabees had never been a world player, and had no quarrels with most nations.

Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

Do you know what we did to the last person that attacked us? We ass raped the attackers so hard their ass fell off. I swear to God that if you attack us, you will have no ass, no hip, no legs. We're watching this buildup with a weary eye.
-Vice President Orcha Yultanov of The Island of Rose

((OOC: Tag, and they're paranoid after the Artican blockade so eh.))

OOC: *cracks knuckles*

{TAG}

*yawn* I guess we'll mobilise our MS-Series AUs and our Peacemillion series enterprise ships. (yes, we are future-tech). Right now, we're just on standby.

It was noted by ESS spy satellites that a member of an organization known to be hostile to NATO and its interests was starting a naval buildup. All four expeditionary fleet headquarters were notified but told not to make any changes in alert status or deployment schedule, but to be prepared for such. No other immediate action was taken, overt or otherwise.

[IOW, tag.]

Soon enough, the aircraft needed for the 1st Macabee Fleet arrived to their respective carriers. One thousand four hundred MMA-A2 Hawk Air Superiority Fighters would be used on the Model class Carriers, which would also hold eight hundred MMA-A1 Kondor Low Altitude Fighters, as well as one hundred MMA-C1 Albatross Heavy Bombers, fifty MMH-A1 Augustus Gunships and fifty MMH-B1 Tiberius Anti-tank Gunships, for land combat uses.

The escort carriers were loaded with one hundred and fifty extra MMA-A2 Hawk Air Superiority Fighters, which were loaded with twenty MTAAM Sky Sharks for combat.

The Hawks were top of the line fighters. Their curvular structure forced air friction and air pressure to distribute evenly along the chassis, meaning that the Hawk could push up to Mach 3.4 if needed. Furthermore, the structure of the chassis also made it harder for enemy radar to pick it up, making it what the Macabee Engineers liked to call it - 4th Generation Stealth. Although it wouldn't help too much, it would help against the less advanced nations. Their weapon of choice, the MTAAMs were wonderful air to air missiels. With a range of one hundred and thirty kilometers their scramjet engines could displace that distance at Mach 3.5 - always keeping the enemy fighters on the watch. In short, the Hawks would put fear into their enemies. The Macabees had had a lot of experience at war before (the world at war series I host boosted my RPing up A LOT), and knew how to fight one successfully. It was now time to test that out.

The Kondors were older. They used to be the main line fighters, however, the advent of the Hawk pushed them to low altitude fighters. They would be the ones to strike from beyond the horizon of enemy radar with very advanced air to surface missiles. They kept their game very well!

Furthermore, a total of five hundred thousand Macabee infantry, in twenty-five mechanized infantry divisions, five corps, and two and a half Mechanized Infantry Armies were enroute to Targul Frumos. Along with them came six Armoured Armies, making a total of eighteen thousand Panzerkampfwaggen IX Sargon Ausf. B Main Battle Tanks, protected by bucky ball/ diamound helix armor, which gave it an impressive number of RHA armour - 4,000 millimeters at its thickest spot. With these came twenty thousand 155mm heavy field artillery guns, as well as mobile SAM and mobile MetalStorm batteries. Also coming were two thousand Panzerwerfer Ausf.B MSLR systems and two thousand Chevalier 155mm Self Propelled Artillery Systems.

Subsequently, the Macabees were preparing for a fairly large war - the war would go down in history if it actually occured. It would match the size of the Amerigo Slave War.

OOC: I don't RP with future tech by the way...so don't try it.

Public Message from Central Director Elliot Schultz



"We have noticed a considerable fleet movement from a known RWA member through several of our Dommar Spysats and have detected considerable radio transmissions, several of which appear to he highly encrypted. Needless to say, this action constitutes more than a mere exercise from a militarily dormant nation and we shall watch these moves with a certain amount of trepidation. Until such time as we can be certain that neither our nation or our allies abroad are not threatened, all orbital defensive measures have been activated for a potential long range strategic assault."

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-Central Director Elliot Schultz
-Head of State: The United Socialist States of Schultaria Prime & The Protectorate of Islandia Schultaria

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

We have been made aware of the current situation, and as a co-founder of NATO we stand ready to do our share to squash this 'Macabee menace'. While we cannot commit fully to a large scale battle with The Macabees at the moment, several heavily armed Sentinel ground legions are on alert and stand ready to supplement NATO forces if necessary.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

Response to Public Message

We assure the world that this is just another stage in the preperations for an enhanced Macabee military for the further protection of the Empire, which has been dormant for the time being. We must stress that we have no plans to attack another nation, and we have no plans to join any joint exercises with the RWC, although, should RWC nations be interested in committing themselves in alliance wargames we should be very happy to accomadate your fleets. Consequently, yes, the Macabee Empire is preparing for wargames off the Freemantian coastline. There is no reason for any other nation to be alert.

OOC: I most probably wont be on during the weekend..so dont think this is dead just because I don't post over a period of three days... I will continue posting on Monday... however, any other posting by other members is ok.

Soviet Bloc Intelligence Services and the ARSB's OMON division, had noted the military build-up as well through satellite reconaissance. Currently, no military forces besides air defense and two expeditionary fleets were raised to a heightened alert. The 1st Expeditionary Fleet, currently located off of Rostov, and currently designated the home defense fleet, was raised to a heightened alert along with the 8th Expeditionary Fleet, currently in the Atlantic Ocean.

OOC- *Tag*

[OOC: What do you define as "future tech"? Tungsten rods? Railguns? Trimaran hulled ships?

I'm in NATO so I'm going to need to know this to know how to prepare.]

[OOC: What do you define as "future tech"? Tungsten rods? Railguns? Trimaran hulled ships?

I'm in NATO so I'm going to need to know this to know how to prepare.]

OOC: Well, I've experienced tungsten rods before, from another NATO nation (Tyrandis)..however, generally, it has to be 2010 or before tech....

OCC: Figured I'd take another shot at the actual NS board. Me and Macabee are gonna have a little RP, to warm up.

IC:
Somewhere off the coast of Targul Frumos

Sonarmen Frank Corlean of the CRM Helmsteen took another sip of coffee. It had been another uneventfull day of observation onboard the tin can. Many sailors and soldiers had been known to say the wait was worse then the actual action. Frank wasn't quite sure about that. What he was sure about was if he had to listen to another hour of whales and dolphins he was going to quit the navy when he got back home.

What kind of a mission was this anyway? "Observe Macabee Movements". Observe what? Sure, the ships were shuffling around a bit, but who the hell cared. CommunismRevisited- had no bussiness messing around here. Of course, some pencil pusher, no doubt the son of some general had thought it would be a great idea to show the Macabees that CR was still kickin'.

They'd left port two months ago. And here they sat, drifting at sea. Not an observation job, more like two months in purgatory. There was nothin' to do but sit and listen. Taking another sip of coffee, Frank desperatley tried to remember why he signed up to join the navy...

OOC: Well, I've experienced tungsten rods before, from another NATO nation (Tyrandis)..however, generally, it has to be 2010 or before tech....
ooc: you're assuming that I won't play fair. I do play fair. I have lost a number of units to fire. They aren't perfect. They are slow and large, so lack stealth. besides, they are piloted by humans, so they are no different than a jet. Of course, if you have a problem with, I'll stick to the tradtional KIAF (Kryozerkian Armed Forces), which are semi-fture tech. My mobile suits are only a small portion of the army.

[From what you've posted, I believe 2020 or before would be more appropriate. Scramjet missiles are most certainly not 2010 tech, I can imagine rockets and arty shells, but not guided missiles.]

OOC: Well, I've experienced tungsten rods before, from another NATO nation (Tyrandis)..however, generally, it has to be 2010 or before tech....[OOC: Thanks for clearing that up. I'm pretty much post-modern so I wanted to find out before I sent tech in that was going to get ignored.]

On SSN37 Captain Hans Hoebbeck stepped into the sonar room of the Toledo class nuclear attack submarine. The supervisor was there waiting to feed the Captain the news. Hoebbeck didn't waste time, "Release the TB-23 towed array"

The TB-23 was a super thin towed array with a plethora of small sound emmitters strung on the string. The nylon rope extended out of the main ballast tank and was soon ready for use. On the black and green screen infront of them the sonar personnel decyphered what looked like a section of the Matrix. The supervisor quickly gave the captain the scoop, "Contact bearing one-four-nine!"

Hoebbeck kept cool,"Give me a bearing on that... give me a vector! Give me something!"

"Working on it sir!"

A couple of minutes later the captain was further informed, "It's a Juliet. We've experienced these before. Non Communist class, although the name doesn't imply the capatilism, if you know what I mean. Vectoring at thirty thousand meters from our current position."

The captain made his decisions quickly,"Load tubes 1 and 2 with MT-1s! Load tubes 3 and 4 with MAT-1s! Battle stations!"

"Aye sir, loading tubes 1 and 2 with MT-1s. Loading tubes 3 and 4 with MAT-1s!"

The captain continued,"Change bearing towards that Juliet! 5 knots, let's keep silent!"

"Aye sir!

SSN37 slowly moved towards its target. Technically it could fire from their current location, but they wanted to make sure that Juliet was dead. The Juliet would most likely not know that the Toledo was there, however, should they also be equipped with a towed array they would soon know. Captain Hoebbeck would be ready anyhow. The towed array was going back into the Main Ballast Tank, and active was turned on. The Macabees had to know where that sub was at all times. Should active go off then they could lose the Juliet, and loosing the Juliet might mean being attacked. No one could be accepted in Macabee waters.

From the outside the sleek hull of the Toledo class SSN sliced through the dark waters of the Tiberian Sea like a knife through butter. The outer doors were closed, and the nuclear reactors were making minimal noise, so far. The SSN would need to see how things played out.

OOC: BTW, Communist Revisited IS NOT a Communist nation... he just wants to have a sub RP with me..and this seemed like the thread to do it.. however, what ever happens between me and him is directly related to the mobilization..so depending on what happens it influences my war with NATO...

Location:Unknown,Military Action HQ(MAHQ) Time:20:00
the night was vary nice no fleets were moving no big wars it was a good night
just before they all left to go home becaues the other guys were coming.
"THIS IS AN ALERT HUGE FLEET MOVING!!" (THE ROOM TURNED RED)
the room became vary loud then the commander came on the intercom"There in a meeting in room one and get the fleets ready!"

Location:Meeting Room
Generals:Good evening sir
Commander: Don't kiss my ass
Generals:Sorry sir
Commander: ok what do you guys think we sould do Navy General
Navy General: Well they just got kinda close to one of are islands so that is all we could have a fleet escort them.
(Romakov walks into the room)
Commander and the Generals:Sir
Romakov:They are not going to attack us so go to bed but deploy fleet 6 and the homeland fleet
Fleet 6
21 Battelships (medium)
4 Aircraft carriers (Medium)
Homeland fleet: (buildt when i was a littel nation) (First deployment)
121 Battelships
5 Aircraft carriers
7 Subs (Aii2)
21 Support Ships
10 AA Guns Ships
OCC: I HAVE no idea IF THIS FLEET IS could even be buildt but this is a huge fleet so tell me if i need to change my numbers thanks
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offical statement: We are going to be nuteral if you guys want to solve this pacefuly I wil act as a nuteral meeting ground.We will be nutral as long as Nuclear weapons are not used thanks!!

Euroslavia cannot fully commit its forces, due to the recent revolution and regime change, although, order is almost completely restored to our nation. We will be able to send a moderate amount of military to defend any ally of ours, in case they are attacked. We will continue to monitor this situation..

Official Statement from the Office of the Grand Duke
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Crest of the Grand Duke Reginald Leopold I

The Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire, through various sources, has become aware of the growing threat posed by The Macabees. As a leading member of the New Alliance Treaty Organization, the Government of Hamptonshire is dedicated to the safety and freedom of all NATO member-states and of their citizens. Whilst the Grand Duchy does not at this time feel imminent threat from the nation of The Macabees, We must insure not only the continued safety of Hamptonshire but of those nations that through NATO have become Our friends and allies.

Therefore, as Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Armed Forces of Hamptonshire, We have activated the 21st Combined Fleet and We are prepared the recall the Combined Fleet currently deployed off the shore of Our close friend and ally, The Island of Rose. Any attack on a NATO member-state, a NATO member-state's colony, possession, or territory, or any attack on any territory of a member of the United Alliances will be construed as an attack upon Hamptonshire itself. This is directed not at The Macabees but to all nations that seek to disturb the International Peace.


Signed,
Reginald Leopold I, Magnus Dux (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/reg.jpg)
Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire

OOC: "War with NATO". How original. How uninspired. How insipid.

Feh.

IC:
"General? OVERSIGHT report."
"Oh boy, another one. Well, send the Elmos out again and make sure everything is poppin' fresh. Then review the W series. And recheck POLLUX."
"And MANTIS?"
She considered. "As we apparently must, yes. Also LYRE. Have them come fully online and in preparation. Oh, yes, and BERTHA."
"Yes, sir!"

OOC: NOT ANOTHER ONE!

IC: "NOT ANOTHER ONE!" bellowed the Prime Minister as the intelligence report was read to him. "For heaven's f**king sake!" He slammed a fist onto the table. "They want a fight, they can have one. Order the Eastern Fleet to sea and get anything else we have ready. I want at least 100 submarines in the Pacific and moving to the area in question within 6 hours. Clear?" It was clear.

OOC: "War with NATO". How original. How uninspired. How insipid.


OOC: What would you want him to call it... War of a hundred nations or something? :P

Secret IC:

Message from the Guilds to the Macabee's:

We stand with you, as always. We can transfer some forces to you as and when you require them (for alliance wargames if you should wish), we only ask that you make space available on your aerial schedule in order that they might be able to land and assign them airfields.

We will be watching,

Lord Stra'coth

Stevid will consider it's position in this affair. And may join on Macabees side.

Response to Public Message

We assure the world that this is just another stage in the preperations for an enhanced Macabee military for the further protection of the Empire, which has been dormant for the time being. We must stress that we have no plans to attack another nation, and we have no plans to join any joint exercises with the RWC, although, should RWC nations be interested in committing themselves in alliance wargames we should be very happy to accomadate your fleets. Consequently, yes, the Macabee Empire is preparing for wargames off the Freemantian coastline. There is no reason for any other nation to be alert.
OCC:Ever Heard of the saying: "A dictator's best excuse is self-defense"?
IC:
Official Imperial Statement
To help Bloster NATO's forces, the Inkanan military has been put on amber alert. The Janissary Guard, Inkana's best and heavily armed fighting force, has been completely mobilized. They are flying to Forward NATO bases as this telegram is being sent.

Three SSN-994's slip from their births at Arklow Harbour. They travel along towards the coast of Macabee's to observe and track the humongous fleet.

[ie TAG]

OOC: *sigh*

IC:

"Sir! Several reports from various allied sources confirm a large preparation of naval assets in an RW nation!"

"In plain English, Major?"

"NATO might be a target."

"Do these guys really know what they're in for? And have they issued any statement.. officially?"

"Yeah.. military dormant nation.. trying to re-establish position.. not an excuse for the huge deployment, though."

"What can we spare?"

"Currently, this is a Naval show of force.. so we might as well deploy naval assets only."

The Major handed Admiral Estral a folder. Admiral Estral looked briefly at the first page. It read:


GMB Fifth Fleet "Al-Khadisiya" -- Deployed -The Island of Rose - Naval Blockade
GMB Ninth Fleet: "Conquerors of the Sea" -- Deployed - The Commonwealth of Granzi - Terrorist Attack
GMB Eleventh Fleet: "Bearers of the Banner" -- Deployed - off Aqaba - Monitoring Drum Gods movements
GMB Thirtieth Assault Battlegroup -- Deployed - off Jeddah - Monitoring Drum Gods movements
GMB Thirty-first Battlegroup -- Deployed - off Yemen - Monitoring Drum Gods movements

The Admiral sighed. "Get in contact with our allies. Deploy the Baghdad and Cordoba fleets to the locations they are patrolling. And get me the President.. he needs to hear about this."

"Yes, Admiral.

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Office of the President
The Dominion of Greenmanbry

We have been informed of an unusually large massing of military equipment by The Macabees. We would like to remind The Macabees that their actions are not serving the interests of world peace, and would like to call on them to abort any plans of military aggression they might be conjuring against the world's nations. Heed our warning. If a war does start, it will escalate into a truly global conflict. Neither side will enjoy the bloodbath that will follow.

Ahmed Byrnashty
The Dominion of Greenmanbry

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GMB Military Command has initiated the DSN-1 act, which calls upon all 7th and 19th army personnel to be fully prepared for possible deployment overseas.

"I, like my father, am dedicated to protecting NATO and my allies. The possibility of war had pushed me to do something that has been in the planning for some time now. Our troops are mobilizing. Ten thousand troops are heading to IDF to provide additional defense. Nearly one million troops are on standby in my beloved nation, ready to be airlifted should there be conflict.

I wish that we can avoid bloodshed, but if it is needed, the blood shall flow. I am not afraid to defend my allies to the full extent of our military might."

-Ellison Chaknov
-Leader, Sigma Octavus
-Founder, NATO

"Status Report!"
"Aye sir!"

1st Naval Group-Deployed in Great Sixth Reich Combined Blockade
2nd Naval Group-Deployed in Great Sixth Reich Combined Blockade
3rd Naval Group-Deployed in Great Sixth Reich Combined Blockade
"Okay then, send out the Istanbul Naval Command, and Bakra Naval Command."
"Sir, that's virtully half our fleet."
"I know."

OOC: Finally...I've been waiting for a crack at NATO for a while now, I hope to bag me some sentinels :)

IC: Emperor Kriegor Zan Varr sat upon his dark marble throne, he ran his left hand through the thick lion pelt that kept the chilled marble from frosting his skin while his over hand held a sheet of paper. Kriegor's eyes scanned the report while the scribe and sages babbled in the background about world issues, Kriegor's eyes widened slightly when they hit the section concerning NATO and the Macabees.

Kriegor shouted to a scribe who came over; head bowing, with pen and paper in hand before Kriegor began dictating to him.

To our friends in the Macabees, should a war arise, we will support you but we'd best wait until the time is ripe...however, it is quite humourous that the self proclaimed "super-power" has had it's cage rattled by the mere hint of a possible war with the RWC.

Until next time, fare well my friends.

-Kriegor Zan Varr

Zhong Da read slowly the slew of messages intercepted from various communications, rubbing his forehead trying to alleviate his headache. Are they crazy? The Macabees think they can take on the entire NATO alliance by themselves!?! What the hell!?! Taking a deep breath to calm his raging mind, Zhong Da took a sip from a glass of water. Sitting back on his chair, Zhong Da propped his feet onto the table, trying to think of something...

As inspiration hit him, Zhong Da quickly resumed his original position and quickly penned a communique to The Macabees.


OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE TO THE NATION OF THE MACABEES
FROM: CITADEL OF CALA, FIVE CIVILIZED NATIONS

STAND DOWN IMMEDIATELY!

THE FIVE CIVILIZED NATIONS HAS RECENTLY JOINED THE NEW ALLIANCE TREATY ORGANIZATION, KNOWN ERSTWHILE AS NATO.

ALTHOUGH YOU ARE A FORMER ALLY, WE HAVE NO QUALMS IN PARTICIPATING IN ON YOUR DESTRUCTION. WE CANNOT AND KILL NOT CONDONE YOUR ACTIONS.

STAND DOWN NOW, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR RECKLESSNESS.

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ZHONG DA
-FOREIGN MINISTER

OOC- Official government response later tonight. Oh, and TAG.

"... and so you see our current forces are in a situation where we will be able to respond to an immediate Central African theater, but not much else. It'll take roughly three weeks to garner the forces necessary for an extended land campaign, but hopefully our naval forces can buy us enough time that such options won't be necessary."

Elliot straightened himself in his black leather chair and took a deep yawn. "I'm sorry if I appear distracted. Military contingencies such as this shouldn't happen in the modern day; I'd be ashamed to think of the kind of losses the SKC would incur from such actions. Nonetheless, I thank you Admiral for the most recent status report on our current readiness."

"Room, engage ambient lighting."

The lights in the Central Directorate conference room were slowly brought back to life while the group of AP's and Directors began to discuss the most recent presentation. Such conferences were usually reserved for matters of strict national cooperation, and were often hard to assemble; however, this one had proven stunningly easy to organize. Twenty of the most important figures in the Schultarian political scene, some of who were staunch critics of the current government, were talking to one another in what could only be described as fearful undertones.

"They have every right to be fearful, Schultaria Prime has not had a foreign occupier on its soil in 195 years. Amazing what the threat of war does to unify such opposition," Elliot thought as he paged through is data pad. As he came to the information on the most recent orbital reconnaissance, a video message appeared on the monitor.

"SID 8 requests your immediate attention Central Director Schultz; we've a new status report for your perusal. For your eyes only please."

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Excusing himself from the post conference meeting, he hurriedly walked to his office with data pad tightly held in hand. Securing the door and blinding the windows, Elliot inserted the pad into his desk and turned towards a 2 meter plasma screen on the right hand wall of his desk.

"Central Director Elliot Schultz, security clearance DSQ Demax Auth, requesting the immediate security report as per SID 8 video message."

"One moment please; accessing SID 8 multinational security database."


SID 8 Authorized Report: Security Clearance (Level HT)

-On the current Macabee naval situation (CODENAME: ARKTEMIS)

"As of three hours ago, SID 8 has been able to identify 20 carrier groups with a multitude of logistical and heavy defensive escorts. In addition, we have detected well over one thousand Air Superiority and Close Range Fighter-bomber Aircraft in rapid redeployment around this current naval fleet. Given the number of craft that appear to be in launch ready position, it appears that this carrier group is ready to engage in highly active military action. Our researchers are attempting to extrapolate the performance characteristics of these craft from the limited video analysis that we have already garnered, and will provide a defense probability analysis within several hours.

However, the most worrisome evidence comes from photographs taken around the carrier groups. A massive number of ground transport craft have been seen assembling around the bulk of the carrier groups, apparently with a heavy amount of close support escort. While our current estimates are still extremely rough, SID 8 is fairly confident that a ground force contingent of roughly 250,000 armed infantry plus some 10 to 12 thousand heavily armored vehicles is currently amassing at Freemantia.

Given the current observation of Macabee military actions around the territories of Freemantia, our orbital analysis has concluded this continuing action as a potential source of threatening international interests. Since they are members of the RWA, an alliance that has made it clear of their disdain for members of NATO and their close individual allies, further observation of this action will be conducted until such time as we commit a full course of action."

*END REPORT*

"This information must be delivered to our closest allies. 250,000 men and 20 carrier groups is more than just a God damn military exercise; it'll mean the darkest of days if we aren't careful."

"Sir, the Granzian Armed Forces is fully extended to it's capabilities. We can't afford to barge head-on into a declaration at this moment." Defense Minister Carrington West let the report fall from his fingers onto the mahogany table. "With all due respect, Prime Minister, we have suffered a double terror attack. We have yet to find those men responsible for the destruction of HDI; therefore, our forces must be concentrated on the matter at hand."

Prime Minister Terri Bolash sighed. He placed a hand above his brow and ran it through his hair. "Fine. Yes, Carrington, I understand that we are stretched thin. But I would still like to support our NATO allies, those exact nations, which I would like to remind you, through their generocity, have allowed us to begin the reconstruction process. They are still lending us aid, in helping track down these criminals. Since our observations signal a naval build-up, what can the Navy spare?"

"Nothing at the moment. All assets are on patrol, or on leave. The 4th Battlefleet can be recalled from New Caledonia, though."

"Cancel all leaves, and ready for deployment. But for now, just watch."

IDF is going to red alert. All reserves are being called up at this time and all ships are set to sail or be ready to sail on 4 hours warning. (meaning the engine plants are up and running and crews are onboard.)

IDF research satelites are now being tasked with military missions of recon as President Williams fears that the RWC will strike soon.

OOC: I apologize for the poor quality post, but I have to go and won't be back until late this evening.

Transmission 9809; To Helmsteen -- From Hathorne
Suspected subs within 70 km. Trace elements of one or more subs picked up by Hathorne and sister sub Harbring. Recomed 4 hours noise discipline


The captain was asleep. Hell, most of the crew was. This wasn't the first time some sub had slipped into the triangle of observation, formed by subs Helmsteen, Hathorne, and Harbring, all sister ships. By now the procedure was standard. Get one good read with a the towed', then call it night.

A few orders from the XO down to the back of the ship, and the towed equipment began to trail behind the sub. Almost 3/4 of the ship were asleep, there would be no need to call for noise discipline yet.

Three SSN-994's slip from their births at Arklow Harbour. They travel along towards the coast of Macabee's to observe and track the humongous fleet.

[ie TAG]


The destroyer HES Kruce was sprinting and drifting at a steady rate of thirty knots, forming a small part of the massive ASW perimeter that protected the moving fleets which were converging at Targul Frumos. It was led by the smart and fast captain Alfonso Shisslburg, and he knew what he had on his destroyers. He ordered his towed array out to check for possible outcomes. NATO had become pissy about Macabee movements, and they had about no reason to be. The Macabee had gone to war twice so far, with non-NATO nations, and now out of nowhere NATO thought the Macabees was a threat. Why? Shisslburg had had not a single briefing on an upcoming war with NATO -he had no clue why anybody would be worried. However, he had been briefed on possible screens by NATO nations, and that's what he was deployed to do around this carrier task force.

"Deploy the towed array," he ordered his XO. Soon enough the nylon line was out and the thousands of small sound emitters and passive listeners were homing on possible contacts. The captain walked into his sonar room and the sonar supervisor briefed his quickly.

"Captain, multiple contacts bearing one-eight-zero. I don't know why, but they sound like the Artitsan subs we picked up in the Gibraltar a while ago (OOC: This was in W@W... nobody else would really know about this),and they sound like these babies. Silent, but our powerful Poseidon sonar can pick it up. They may be about sixty kilometers south, but we may be hearing them through a convergence zone - but their definately out there!"

Shisslburg went back to the bridge and radioed the communications tower to tell them about the contact. He walked to his weaponsXO, "Designate possible contact sixty out Master 1. We may have two more contacts. Designate those Master 2 and Master 3. Load torpedo tubes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 with MT-1s, and tubes 5,6, and 7 with MAT-1s."

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To: Artitsa

We have picked up your nuclear attack submarines screening our fleets. For national defense we ask that you pull these back to a distance of about one thousand kilometers from our fleets.

Thank you,

Emperor Jonathan VII

The three SSN-994's slid through the ocean, activating their Aerogel, making them virtually impossible to detect via active or passive Sonar. Their own powerful towed array picking up many blips almost a hundred km's away. Here the subs would wait.

In Vertical Tube 1, the missiles were rotated, to feature the UAV pod. SSN-994-05, the Flagship of this mini fleet rose to a depth of 200ft. The VLS cell swivvled to the side, and the capsule launched, punching through the waters surface. The capsule split into two, revealing the unfolding UAV. It rose high-up into the air and towards the approaching NATO fleets.

ooc: W@W doesn't translate into NS. Simple as that. And your posiden can not penetrate Aerogel and Aneoric coatings... you haven't changed ;) Also, I wasn't in W@W.

"Sir! A new report."

"What is it this time?"

"Rough figures.. from the AR-1 satellites. Confirmed by an allied source..."

Defense Minister Ferdinand skipped the formalities and technical jargon and arrived at a statistics column. Thoughts raced in his mind:

250,000 ground troops...
10-12,000 armoured vehicles....
1000+ aircraft....

Bloody hell!!

He raised the report to eye-level in order to better comprehend the figures. His mouth gaping, his eyes widened, he picked up the phone and called Admiral Frank Estral. "I need you here right away," he said in a dead-serious tone, and hung up.

Twenty minutes later, Estral was seated on the large oak table in the conference room. Ferdinand was sitting directly accross from Estral, at the head of the table. They were separated by eighteen leather chairs.

Ferdinand got up, walked over to Estral, and placed a manilla folder directly in front of him. He then walked to the large floor-to-ceiling window of the conference room and stared at the bustling city.

After ten minutes of silence, Ferdinand turned around. The manilla folder lay on the table, open. Inside was the report, face downwards. The sixty year-old Estral was staring directly into Ferdinand's soul with his steely grey eyes.

"Son of a bitch..." he said softly.

"The President doesn't know. He might call our troops back if he finds out."

"Don't tell him. I'll handle this." Estral was now staring at the report.

"You can't deploy more fleets.."

"No, but I can redirect the ones at sea." Estral stood up, took the manilla folder, and tore it to shreds.

"Not a word to Byrnashty.." Estral whispered.

"Not a word."

<<Fleets currently deployed to the Red Sea are being asked to ready for combat. 7th and 19th armies are being readied for any possible conflict. GMB Military Command has elevated the level of readiness to T-3 in anticipation of a possible attack by the RWC>>


[OOC: T-1 = No direct military threat; T-2 = Precautionary movements are being executed; T-3 = State of immediate combat readiness; T-5 = GMB at war.]

"Sir, phone for you"
"Yes?"
"WHAT?!"
"They have HOW many armoured vahicles?!"
"Oh my god."
"For the sake of Allah, this must be done."

Inkana is now on Crimson Alert. All reservists are being called up. The Navy is being mobilized. The Air Force is running more drills. If Mcabee starts a war with NATO Inkana is ready to assist in any way possible;

~TOP SECRET INFORMATION ENCLOSED~
Inkanan forces mobile and at forward bases:

Ground
The 1st, and 2nd Armies:450,000+ Men
1st Janissary Corps: 50,000+ Men
1st Armoured Corps: 600 Tanks, 8,000 Infantry

Air Force
1st Air Armada: 300 Aircraft
5th Attack Armada: 300 Aircraft
1st Stretegic Command Squadron: 12 stratigic bombers, 6 Fighters

Navy
Istanbul Naval Command:
75 Ships

OFFICAL STATEMENT:
Are nation whould like to join NATO and we have now realised the threat and the fleets that where deployed last night have now been deployed to make sure that Macabees fleet will not harm any Nato member or any nation with out justfycation(SP?)if one of are ships are attack we will attack your fleet and will declare war on your nation.
OOC: How do you make things bold

OOC- War against NATO? Are you mad man? I know you have the NWO though, but I will not side against so many of my allies if there is war with NATO in the near future.

IC

The train hooted as the bell resounded throughout the hollow station. Sons, daughters, husbands, wifes, saw off their loved ones as the order that morning had gone out to call up all reserve and territorial army units. Logistics mobilisation cost was over the budget - prisoners soon noticed their lunches being taken away to pay for the cost of mobilisation of the Reserve Armoured and Reserve Airforce Corps.

Current Mobilisation Report: MOPD
800,000 Reserve Infantry Units
190,000 Reserve Territorial Units
20,000 Reserve Armoured Units
8,000 Reserve Territorial Units
800 Reserve Airplanes
250 Reserve Territorial Airplanes
200,000 Navy Reserve Personnel
80 Navy Reserve Vessels
£18,193,139,122,293.03

IC:the president half asleep says "Ya..tell The Macabees he has our support.." the aide went off saying "oh lordie lordie.."

ooc-you get the point dont you? im gonna help but i like to make my posts saying someone has my support...weird...i know im gonna get my ass kicked but so what?

Send me a ship!

10 Iowa class battleships
5 Nimitz class carriers
25 Arleigh Burke class destroyers
12 Spruance class destroyers
18 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
25 Ticonderoga class crusiers
10 Los Angeles class submarines

ooc-ya..i know..theyre all gonna perish...but so what?!

25 miles East from the Macabee fleet, in international waters

Commander Hyman G. Rickover III couldn't be happier. His submarine, the ISS Halibut SSN-841 was still fairly new, on its 2nd 3 month deployment. His submarine was one of the most advanced in the IDF fleet. He had his TB-32 thin line array strung 2,000+ yards aft of his boat. He had Halibut rigged for ultra-quiet as she lay in the path of the fleet. Rickover had the Halibut at a depth of 1,200 feet and moving at 3 knots just for the sake of depth control and steerage. Reactor output was at less than 5% and all non-essential appliances were shut off.

30 miles to the West of the Macabee fleet was the larger Galaxy class sub ISS Hatchet SSN-782. At 2050, Captain Jim Taylor ordered the reactor to full power. He ordered a flank bell which was quickly answered by the engine room. The sub quickly accelerated to her max speed of 37.2 knots at a depth of 1,500 feet. Taylor didn't like his orders, but he followed them. He made sure he was heard as he ran East at flank speed. His goal was to run under the Macabee fleet and attract attention while Rickover and the quieter Halibut, 1st of the new Halibut class, listened to gain intel on the Macabee fleet.

From War Ministry-To Vice President Orcha Yultanov

The fleets outside the Island are doing constant patrol ever since the Artican
Incident. Planes are now also going along the coast and along international Roman waters to spot any ship. We will alert you if the Navy catches something, if not, we won't.
-Minister of War: General Alexander Roska

((OOC: That's a big fancy way of saying I have patrols around TIoR, me being a NATO nation and all))

President Wixted was sitting in the Cabinet Meeting Room. Around him were Vice President Andrews, President of the Senate Simpson, Defense Minister James, and Foreign Minister George.
"So what is it?"asked Wixted.
"Well, Mr. President, we have major naval movements from Macabees," said the Defense Minister it a stern voice.
"Why should this concern Morathania? We have never even had relations with Macabees."
"Well sir, NATO intellegence and our intellegence is telling us that their target might me NATO."
"What are these miliatry movements?"
"It appears to be about 2-4 fleets worth of strength, Mr. President. Seriously, NATO has basically been put on alert. Inkana I think it is has already gone to Amber Alert and other, I think its DPUO, Vastiva and Greenmanbry, have already started to deploy forces to counter any move against a NATO nation by the Macabees."
"Do we have any idea of what their target is?"
"Not at this time, Mr. President. We just don't have that much intellegence yet. Anyway he must realize that a war against NATO is suicide. Automagfreek has said that he would help any NATO nation as have many others. All of NATO seems to be focused this time. We wont have any lack of allies like we had in the Guffingford Incident."
"Well I think we should definitely bring some presence to bear. Morathania needs to have some stake in this alliance."
"Yes sir we do. I think that it would be best to send about 2 fleets to the Atlantic to prepare for war if it comes."
"We should send some ground forces also don't you think?"
"Yes, Mr. President I do. All we need is a good place to base our troops."
At this Foreign Minister George stood up and said:
"Leave this to me gentlemen."
"Thank you Leonard. With this I say that this meeting is finished. Mr. Simpson please ready a joint session for as soon as possible to get a mandate for action."
"Will do, Mr. President."
"Thank you."

With that the men walked out of the room. Wixted stayed behind and looked through the large window down Boulevard of the Allies and say the flags of all nations allied with Morathania.
This man must be crazy to take on us alone. He can't be that stupid. He must have an ace up his sleave that he is about to reveal. If we could only tell... With that the phone rang and it was back to the business of running the country.

an admiral walked to a stand,all the men prepareing to man the vessells and giveing a speech "You boys are the most UNLUCKY bastards in our navy...glad im not going with you..have a nice day..oh ya..good luck..your gonna need it!" he walked off laughing

"Well, I hear this big word that The Macabees is mobilizing for what... an exercise?" The President's brows lifted up as he flipped through the reports carefully. The situation has occured him to be true, and he had no reason, as the head of a NATO member nation, to be completely caught unalerted. But it didn't seem very suspicious to him either. "Admiral," he called, facing the row of ministers and the three military personnel representing the various branches of the Omzian armed forces. "Fleet Admiral Loran, what's your opinion on this?"

The Fleet Admiral, sporting a standard white cluster of hair, saluted to his President faithfully. "Yes sir. Naval Intelligence has advised us to keep alerted of the situation. However, the NI has also found out that other groups of nations are mobilizing, with some even raising their national alert level. This can be anywhere from an exercise or a nation-wide mobilization, I suspect, but in reality, the combined forces are pretty powerful."

The President smiled. "Thank you," he said as he smiled at his naval counterpart, and looked at the Air Force representive. "Status of our defences?"

The Air Force General, sporting a slightly more youth-looking hair style, saluted without emotion. "Defence nets are up as always. The Maritime Detection and Defence Network current reports a green-level readiness. Air Defence Command reports a 9 level of readiness in group-level air defence, and a 9 readiness in air wing-level interceptor forces."

"Good," the President said as he glanced on the intelligence report again, with an aide from the Interior Affairs Ministry standing behind the luxurious chair. "Get them up and running. Gentlemen, we have to keep informed of such level of mobilization and exercise. In case things go wrong, all defence troops must have sufficent time to fully man battle stations. Proceed my orders. Dismissed."

10 Iowa class battleships
5 Nimitz class carriers
25 Arleigh Burke class destroyers
12 Spruance class destroyers
18 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
25 Ticonderoga class crusiers
10 Los Angeles class submarines

ooc-ya..i know..theyre all gonna perish...but so what?!

Is that for me ;)

TSATCOM, [classified location]

Controller Takeshi Miyamoto was half-asleep. He hated being stuck with the graveyard shift, but an assignment was an assignment.

Half-way through his shift, something stirred his attention.

The live feed from the spy satellite RAVEN XI, positioned in an elliptical orbit over Macabee territories, was being broadcasted on his screen. Tyrandis had fought the fascists twice already.

"Holy..." whispered Miyamoto as he took in the number of men and vehicles being gathered at Targul Frumos. In the previous war with the Macabees, ICKM platforms had devastated the staging ground. It appeared as if they had rebuilt...

"Sir," said the operator, rather disturbed, "we have a problem..."
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"Are the Macabees insane?!" asked an incredulous Praetor Conrad Davidson, his normally calm expression marred by anxiety.

"Lord Praetor, our SATINT from the RAVEN network is sound. It is evident that the Macabees have assembled a rough strength of twenty-five armored divisions at Targul Frumos, codename PANDORA. While they claim to be conducting only submarine exercises, such a massive military mobilization indicates clear hostility to NATO and our own nation." responded the aide dully.

"Your orders, then sir?"

Praetor Davidson thought for several minutes.

"Inform Xavier of this development. Also, order General Casimir Sandoval to continue to monitor the situation with RAVEN, and have him activate the Damocles Mod. 0 ICKM platforms, set on medium alert.

As for our general armed forces, upgrade our readiness to THREATCON 2.

Maintain reconnaissance of the Macabee activity at all times." he finished.

"Yes sir!" responded the messenger as he headed for the respective departments...

ooc: see how we're going to be ignored because Macabee thinks that semi-future tech is not ok to RP with :rolleyes: we will just mobilise our home protection forces.

ic:

Kryozerkia has her forces on high alert and ready top defend the homeland. They are also on standby in the event that oen of her allies needs homeland defence. We know Euroslavia might require it.

(OOC/Info: I am Tremalkier. My true founding date is Feb 6, 2003. I rank in the top 100 or higher in nearly every economic and military statistic. If I say your streets will run red with blood, build bigger sewers. /OOC/Info)

A small manila envelope slid in front of the Kaiser. Glancing quickly at the situation, the Kaiser could not help but smile.
<i> Ah, so the infidels wish to strike each other down? Well I've never been one to shy away from the chance to wreak some havoc </i>
Quickly spinning towards his computer, the Kaiser mentally drafted the orders that would have to be sent.
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To: Tremalkien Naval Command
From: Tremalkien High Command

As we are currently mobilized for no other conflicts, I feel it is time for a major exercise. Currently the Macabees are staging an exercise of their own. I want a full Armada sent. That includes all available Fleet Groups, Zodiac Flotillas, and T-Wolf Squadrons.

To: Tremalkien Ground Command
From: Tremalkien High Command

We are currently conducting a major naval exercise, and the army must also do its share. We have located numerous small islands located throughout the area of our exercise. We want these islands landed upon, fortified, tunnelled, mined, and otherwise prepared. Legion IV is to be prepared for full combat, with Legion VIII preparing for reserve duty as is necessary.


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To: Macabee High Command
From: Tremalkien High Command

We see the hostility surrounding you, and we find it quite troublesome. NATO is over-reaching its bounds, and we shall support you, you need not fear otherwise. Soon our troops will be arriving near yours, and with the other assembled forces we shall prevail.
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To: AMF High Command
From: *Source Garbled*

We have played this before, and you have watched the game. You know what we appear to be doing is never what it is really being done. Fear not, we remember our old friends always, and our old enemies even more.
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The Kaiser stood before the podium, glancing at the stage crew to confirm the count till the broadcast would begin.

"Kinsmen, today Tremalkier prepares for its first Legion-scale exercise is nearly 35 years. Many of you are likely wondering if it will be your Legion that has been called into action, you will find out in the next two days whether that is the case or not. However, called into the field or not, remember, Tremalkier is one, and as such all must prepare for this exercise. As such, we shall also be conducting a full war-time exercise. I have approved a Decree for Closure. As we speak, The Vault is being locked down, our stores activated, our facilities streamlined, and we shall be fully locked down within the next ten hours. Once that is completed, we shall make the next series of announcements. Until then, prepare."

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In the midst of the ocean, a small series of ripples could be seen roaring towards the shore of a small island, more of a giant rock really.

Five minutes later, the glancing moonbeams slightly illuminated a series of large steel pods smashing into the solid rock of the island. And then one of them moved. And another. And another. Like steel sarcophogi slowly disgorging their interred corpses, a series of glimmering figures slowly climbed out, and began their ascent of the island. The Hammers had arrived, and it would only be a matter of time before this rock, like many others throughout the region had been turned into a miniature fortress.



(OOC: Armada is just a combined naval group. Surface, zodiacs (suicide or otherwise), and T-Wolfs (my subs, can be anywhere from mark I-VI, I'll specify what each is as is necessary). Legions are three Army Groups, or Nine Corps, that is to say 1.08 million men. Most will just be prepared troops, likely no more than 150,000 deployed to the islands)

Hmm Macabees is planning something, as the Pres. Handstand looked at spy photos. "Deploy a watch fleet" he said "make it a level-1 fleet." "Aye, comrade" responded the naval officer.

Level-1 Watch Fleet
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1 Wasp-Class Light Carrier
2 Liberty II Class Destoyers
3 M.E. Wraght-Class Cruisers

We'll be watching this carefully...

OOC: Finally...I've been waiting for a crack at NATO for a while now, I hope to bag me some sentinels :)



OOC: And I've needed a reason to mass exterminate entire populaces yet again. Looks like here's my chance.

OOC: Perhaps I'm mistaken, but from what little action I've seen from Macabees so far all I can see is a huge undeclared preparation for what they are officially calling a "training exercise".

As the man has already pointed out previously, he's not actually made any aggressive moves at any nation or alliance in particular... yeah, he has mobilised enough to raise an eyebrow in most nations but he's not actually said anything about NATO or made any suggestion that his target is in fact NATO.

Perhaps I missed any previous comments which suggest otherwise... but the only indicator that this nation is going to war with NATO is in fact the OOC Title of the thread.

If this is how NATO reacts to one large deployment then I would at least expect this same circus ring to happen in each large unannounced deployment you notice. Personally I feel nations like Omz222 have got it just right, but then again, I would expect Omz to know what he's doing.

IC: - [Iuthian Central Command, Iuthia Prima, Iuthia]

Having noticed the large deployments made by both forces from the Macabees and various NATO nations so far, a decision was made to alter the courses of various recon satellites to increase the number of "birds" flying over the oceans to allow for better coverage of the numerous fleets out there.

The courses and movement of each fleet was plotted and the current likely destinations were. So far the reaction from NATO was odd and somewhat confusing due to the lack of threats or public indication of target from the Macabees, who incisted this was a training excerise. The assumption was that the NATO alliance had Intel that Iuthian Intelligence services did not and so such diplomatic channels were openned to inquire about this.

Though Zarbia disagrees with the Macabees' aggressive actions, we will be keeping watch on the situation. If needed, military support will be provided.

OOC: Perhaps I'm mistaken, but from what little action I've seen from Macabees so far all I can see is a huge undeclared preparation for what they are officially calling a "training exercise".

As the man has already pointed out previously, he's not actually made any aggressive moves at any nation or alliance in particular... yeah, he has mobilised enough to raise an eyebrow in most nations but he's not actually said anything about NATO or made any suggestion that his target is in fact NATO.

Perhaps I missed any previous comments which suggest otherwise... but the only indicator that this nation is going to war with NATO is in fact the OOC Title of the thread.

If this is how NATO reacts to one large deployment then I would at least expect this same circus ring to happen in each large unannounced deployment you notice. Personally I feel nations like Omz222 have got it just right, but then again, I would expect Omz to know what he's doing.


OOC: Actually, all we did was bring some systems to readiness, review fleet positions, and prepare to deploy more if needed... but we noted that several other nations were mobilizing as well...

OOC: My leaders see the actions by the Nation of The Macabees in the following perspective:

1. The naval forces were not initially noted for their movement, but rather the size of the forces involved. Considering The Macabees first post in out of character context, there are only two fleet actions that compare to the size of this force in real life history; one was the failed Mongol invasion of Japan, and the other was the combined forces assault of the beaches of Normandy.

2. In addition, the amount of land based military also based on in our observations lends to financial questions about this military exercise. Even with nations whose military budgets exceed the current global spending for defense, the commitment of personnel, material, and logistics would cost tens of billions for such an exercise. Since Schultaria Prime has a very frugal military mindset, the nation believes there is some (albeit limited) ulterior motive to this action. Since some of the more influential members of the RWA are not on the best of diplomatic terms with several Schultarian allies, there is a faint realization that this might erupt into an armed conflict if precautionary measures are not taken.

3. Schultaria Prime's closest national allies have suffered numerous episodes of violence over the past few IC weeks also. From numerous terror attacks by Jaxus Nine on Granzi and Praetonia to the direct disregard of international border conventions by unmarked military craft in the nations of IDF and Greenmanbry, Schultarian intelligence has been placed on a status not seen since our nation's infamous Contact Day Massacre. With an escalation of blatant attacks on some of our closest international friends, Schultaria Prime has seen it fit that it should redouble its defensive readiness to make sure to come to the aid of its allies.

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To recap Schultaria Prime's actions:

1. Schultaria Prime has not committed any forces to respond to The Macabees current naval situation, however they are in close contact with regional allies to share and exchange information.

2. SID 8 and all Schultarian Intelligence Services are continuing to collect data from orbital sources only; any extrapolation of information will be correct in terms of statistics to a level of 50% to 95%. In the case of ground force numbers (as is already documented), our inaccuracies are apparent when comparing our numbers to The Macabees first post. We hope that this adds a bit of a "surprise" should an armed conflict erupt.

3. Although no direct military action is being taken, contingency plans regarding the attack of either Central Africa, Islandia Schultaria, or the Schultarian mainland are being drafted for purposes of defending our allies. Should the situation evolve to the point where we or our allies are under immediate threat, only then will we compose a more "unified front" in armed conflict.

This ends my OOC actions and perspectives post. Although this might be unnecessary depending on the evolution of this RP, I though it would be a nice gesture to both sides to make sure that we produce no surprises along the way.

TAG

OCC: The Dr_Twist Government will continue to Watch events unfold, Spy Planes or as Iuthia called them "Birds" will be Patrolling International Waters to Watch these Exercises. The Dr_Twist Government will keep RBA and NWO members Informed of Nations activities in theses areas and if we Should React to certain cases if the time is ever needed. However we believe at this time that certain issues haven’t arisen and shall only watch as these events unfold.

OOC: And I've needed a reason to mass exterminate entire populaces yet again. Looks like here's my chance.

Lighten up! Besides, you have no reason to massacre Kriegos citizens. Anyway, I look forward to RPing with you unless you go all "OMFG I HAV TEH SENTINELZ! RAWR! AR TEH INVINSUBLE!1!ONEONEONE" but I doubt that will happen, you're a better RPer than that.

Lighten up! Besides, you have no reason to massacre Kriegos citizens. Anyway, I look forward to RPing with you unless you go all "OMFG I HAV TEH SENTINELZ! RAWR! AR TEH INVINSUBLE!1!ONEONEONE" but I doubt that will happen, you're a better RPer than that.

OOC: *thump*thump*thump* Uhm, HELLO? AMF is a founding member of NATO? So if you "go after NATO", you get AMF (and the rest of us) down your throat. And how AMF usually decides to deal with problems is well documented.

OOC: *thump*thump*thump* Uhm, HELLO? AMF is a founding member of NATO? So if you "go after NATO", you get AMF (and the rest of us) down your throat. And how AMF usually decides to deal with problems is well documented.

OCC: Yes it is well documented, He ignores most of them.

OCC: Yes it is well documented, He ignores most of them.
Oh, really now?

Oh, really now?

OCC: It is well documented that he has Ignored every Creditable Threat that he has ever come across, But i better leave this thread now i am probley in enough trouble as it is.

OOC: Actually, all we did was bring some systems to readiness, review fleet positions, and prepare to deploy more if needed... but we noted that several other nations were mobilizing as well...

OOC: My comment was aimed more at nations who are actually talking as though Macabees has declared his intent to attack NATO. Perhaps it's odd that they would mobilise so much, but In Character I've not seen any comments suggesting their target is NATO, so while preparing just in case isn't so bad, its the fact that people are already making demands of this nation before they have even given any indication of their intent which makes this pretty damn funny...

This is the last OOC comment I'll make on the subject... oh and Dr_Twist, I wasn't talking about remote spy planes, thats a little too far fetched because I'd need to actually deploy them from a close enough position and fiddle about... I was talking about more spy satellites flying over those parts of the ocean in order to watch. Given that ships take weeks to get to another destination and they are large enough to be noticed, I can use satellites well enough.

-tag-

~tag~

OOC: *thump*thump*thump* Uhm, HELLO? AMF is a founding member of NATO? So if you "go after NATO", you get AMF (and the rest of us) down your throat. And how AMF usually decides to deal with problems is well documented.

And your point? I know AMF is a member/founder of NATO, it didn't take the rest of us long to figure that out but we are glad you finally caught up! And what problem? I have done nothing yet so I'm not quite sure why are you so jumpy.

AMF, I read a thread on your Sentinels (by you) and you made out that they needed orders. As, one sentinel; when ordered, jumped onto a grenade and got blown up by his commanding officers telling him to do so, or something like that. But, can Sentinels think for themselves efficiently? Because they seemed rather reliant on orders.

Lighten up! Besides, you have no reason to massacre Kriegos citizens

OOC: So... you want to give him one? Ok. Whatever.

Tallarn Naval Station
Grand admiral Ulas watched by the window of his office overlooking the docks, the births of all the DRN war fleets where located here and the port was bristling with activity at this early hour.
A young navy ensign entered the office with a piece of paper. Sir, orders from Duniash.
Ulas accepted the piece of paper and signalled for the ensign to leave, the paper was a direct order from the Emperor that all fleets should be brought up to war level.

Ulas sat down as he tapped the armrest on his chair, the paper also detailed the troop enbarkments for the fleet. Ulas nearly fell out of his chair when read the amount of troops that the Emperor ordered.

OPERATION: LET THE DRUMS ROLL.

40 Karel Doorman class frigates.
39 Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers.
11 SSK Dolphin class attack submarines.
5 SSBN Vanguard class ballistic missiles submarines.
4 Nimitz class aircraft carriers.
20 Zeven Provincien class air defence and command frigates.
40 Rotterdam class Landing Platform docks.
90 Pandelas class fast transport craft.
20 Etna class fast supply ships.
5 Segura class minehunters.
20 Pandora's box Arsenal ships.

A huge force was being put together, over 300 vessels of all shapes and sizes where being prepared to set sail. Enroute where several divisions consisting of 15 mechanised divisions, 4 armoured divisions , 2 infantry divisions, 9 marine brigades, 1 paratrooper division and the needed support for these units. That made for over 19.000 RHINO APC's, 2200 RELAS MBT's and a quarter of a million men enroute or already in Tallarn Naval Station.

Ulas sighed as he stood up again and watched by the window, the first mechanised units of the 45th division where already arriving.

Uncoded Dumpsterdanian Armed Forces Transmission to the Northern Fleet.

This is grand admiral Ulas, all units of the Northern Fleet are to assemble at rally point Ceta and then proceed with all haste to The Macabees for the planned naval exercises.

Ulas out.

OOC: And I've needed a reason to mass exterminate entire populaces yet again. Looks like here's my chance.


You can try wipe out my populace =p

OOC: So... you want to give him one? Ok. Whatever.

I just want to have a good RP with him, if he has to invade Kriegorgrad to satisfy himself, then I've greatly over estimated his RPing prowess.

I just want to have a good RP with him, if he has to invade Kriegorgrad to satisfy himself, then I've greatly over estimated his RPing prowess.
OOC: Seems humble enough, but he's invaded nations for just even suggesting that they attack his Nation in IC respective forms of course, but hey, that's the way Damien is. And finally to you, good luck and hope that AMF has pity on your soul....
IC:
IN SATRECANZHQ(SATellite RECon ANalyZation Head Quanters)
Great, just great! he got the coffe from On the Run again.... How many a time do I tell the little ass that I want STAR......"Oh shit, Farnsworth!"
"Yeah Cap?"
"Get Keller in here yesterday!"
"right away Cap," Sheesh, i wonder what's got his underwear so far up his as..
"hello?"
"Please send Mr. Keller down to 1 ASAP, cap's havin a shit fit right about now..."
"right away,"
Several minutes later in "1"
"so, cap what do we got here?"
"Keller, good to see that they finally can get your lazy ass outa bed at five in the mornin..." Cap said as he handed K a cup of coffe
*Keller sprays coffe into the nearby trashcan* "what the F*** was that?"
"Ask Farnsworth, he's the one who brought it, anyways, what do you think of this?"
"looks like a giant cluster F**k to me sir, who is it?"
"Macabee,"
"what was their official statement? Military exercises?"
"right on,"
"good to see they still think they can Bullshit some analists," At least, I hope that's what they're thinkin K thought to himself, but didn't say it
"so your saying...."
"that they look like they want to blow this planet to friggin hell"
"who would they go for?"
"Maybe NATO, The APTO, my guess is good as yours..."
"Cap, here's your new...*drops latte on floor and all over cap's shoes* HOLY SHIT! who they wanna screw?"
"What the hell are you talkin about farnsworth?"
"A fleet of that size? that thing's gotta be alot of their navy, and seeing as dumpsterdam's got their navy on the way too, Looks like they want japan so badly, They'll do ahything to get it."
"It's tha... Hey, where'd you see the stuff on dumpsterdam? even I havn't seen that yet..."
"it's on four, classed as C cap, even I can view that"
"then Get it classed as A now, Farnsworth, you're now a top analist in this now..."
OOC: just one helluva major TAG with more to come later....

OOC: So... you want to give him one? Ok. Whatever.

I just want to have a good RP with him, if he has to invade Kriegorgrad to satisfy himself, then I've greatly over estimated his RPing prowess.

OOC: No, you're underinformed as to doctrine. "Salted Earth" means "Don't leave the enemy the ability to do jack to you for generations". The Romans used it well. So don't go crying about "rp prowess" when your nation is reduced back to the stone age. You make your choices, you accept the consequences.

See also "Allanea" (I probably spelled it wrong, but so be it).

OOC: No, you're underinformed as to doctrine. "Salted Earth" means "Don't leave the enemy the ability to do jack to you for generations". The Romans used it well. So don't go crying about "rp prowess" when your nation is reduced back to the stone age. You make your choices, you accept the consequences.

See also "Allanea" (I probably spelled it wrong, but so be it).

This isn't about winning. It's about telling a story, not having some person go "omg! J()() CARNT AR PEE FER AGORZ NAO!!!!111oneoneone."

And I wasn't crying...But if he has to beat someone in nationstates to satisfy himself, then he's pretty sad.

By the way, would you mind stop sucking up to AMF? Thanks.

EDIT: I feel ill and I'm not in the mood to argue with you, I'd rather just go to bed and sleep so don't expect me to acknowledge your posts.

((OOC: You ever though he did it in jest?))

*yawn* I guess we'll mobilise our MS-Series AUs and our Peacemillion series enterprise ships. (yes, we are future-tech). Right now, we're just on standby.

So am I!
TAG

OOC: No, you're underinformed as to doctrine. "Salted Earth" means "Don't leave the enemy the ability to do jack to you for generations". The Romans used it well. So don't go crying about "rp prowess" when your nation is reduced back to the stone age. You make your choices, you accept the consequences.

See also "Allanea" (I probably spelled it wrong, but so be it).
(OOC: Heres the problem with that logic. If he does it to one side, than another side, one with even greater power than him, will do it right back at him. For instance, my Defense budget, even though my tax rate is around half of his, is nearly as large. My Law and Order budget is bigger. My GDP is bigger. My population is bigger, and in fact, because its only half taxed, these people have the money, themselves, to fully fund their own militias. I don't even have to make bogus claims about my entire population being trained by the government, because the fact is they have the money to do it themselves. I don't have to pay for every aspect of their lives, AMF does. You want to explain how 3.3 billion people can have their entire life paid for with less than oh...33 trillion dollars at the very least? Thats just the normal things of life, heating, food, etc. Thats not education, infrastructure, etc.

If AMF decides to go salt the earth, I will redirect my forces at him. Simply put, if he tries that kind of shit, I will forgo this war entirely, and redirect my attacking forces to bring him down. Now I know that will make me attackable, which means I'll suddenly have to turn to my allies, and bring this further to craziness, by using Sketch, possibly the Brotherhood, and possibly even Garrison if it came to that. So lets try and keep this on only a few fronts. Total war is acceptable, but claims of "salt the earth" tactics, will be met with by the same)

OOC: No, you're underinformed as to doctrine. "Salted Earth" means "Don't leave the enemy the ability to do jack to you for generations". The Romans used it well. So don't go crying about "rp prowess" when your nation is reduced back to the stone age. You make your choices, you accept the consequences.

See also "Allanea" (I probably spelled it wrong, but so be it).

Yes, the Romans used Salted Earth well, as the Soviets used Scorched Earth well. They are different things ^^

~TAG

the added tilde makes it stylish

Artitsa:
You're not fooling me man. US Navy Destroyers have the capability of burning through anachoic tiling at over thirty thousand meters - since most NS systems are twice to five times as powerful as that then it is incredibly easy to burn through anachoic tiling. Anachoic tiling on submarines is now a days placed so that US submarines can easily destroy SSKs, and the cheaper SSNs out there, such as the Han class, or even Russian Alfa classes. As for your aerogel or whatever it's called - it doesn't stop me from hearing your outer doors open for that launch, or for me to hear your cavitation on passive... so therefore, it's fairly easy for me to catch your submarines at a close distance.

ALSO, that thing which I don't know if its a missile or what, is headed to me or NATO? Because on your post it says NATO...also, OOCly, what is it?

Also, as far as I'm concerned you were Latvia in World at War.


Tremalkier:
To: Tremalkier
I rather not have your forces near me for these upcoming wargames since we are not allies, and I have never spoken to your nation before. Should your forces occupy any islands near the center of my wargames I shall be quick to respond to your deployments.


[Fleet Actions]
Due to the rescent deployments around the Macabee center for naval movements AWACs has been increased with regular sonobouy passes by rapid moving MMA-D1 Gull Reconaissance Aircraft. Also, a substantial amount of LIDAR, downlooking LIDAR, and beyond the horizon RADAR, has been placed in the skies in a wide circle around any Macabee fleet, moving towards Freemantia or not.


IDF:
Again, thirty miles was nothing for ASW destroyer RADAR, and with the rescent advent of AWACs over the Macabeen fleets the IDF submarines that were placed some thirty miles from the moving Macabee fleet were caught redhanded.

Immediately, off two destroyers in the immediate area four MMH-C1 Sea Serpent Helicopters took off and began to scour the area that the original sonar reading had indicated with sonobouys. The Sea Serpents were dropping the sonobouys in crescent and cheveron formations, making reading the IDF submarines much easier. The Macabee Navy gave the Destroyer HES Alacor the kill, should it go to that. It was designated Master 1 for the Alacor.

The second IDF submarine came up a little later, caught by a destroyer sprinting ahead for about two kilometers. Again, it sent its two Sea Serpents out which triangulated the position.

To: IDF

We have already warned nations not to send their submarines toward us. Please, get your subs the hell out before we are forced to sink them.

Artitsa:
You're not fooling me man. US Navy Destroyers have the capability of burning through anachoic tiling at over thirty thousand meters - since most NS systems are twice to five times as powerful as that then it is incredibly easy to burn through anachoic tiling. Anachoic tiling on submarines is now a days placed so that US submarines can easily destroy SSKs, and the cheaper SSNs out there, such as the Han class, or even Russian Alfa classes. As for your aerogel or whatever it's called - it doesn't stop me from hearing your outer doors open for that launch, or for me to hear your cavitation on passive... so therefore, it's fairly easy for me to catch your submarines at a close distance.

ALSO, that thing which I don't know if its a missile or what, is headed to me or NATO? Because on your post it says NATO...also, OOCly, what is it?

Also, as far as I'm concerned you were Latvia in World at War.


Tremalkier:
To: Tremalkier
I rather not have your forces near me for these upcoming wargames since we are not allies, and I have never spoken to your nation before. Should your forces occupy any islands near the center of my wargames I shall be quick to respond to your deployments.


[Fleet Actions]
Due to the rescent deployments around the Macabee center for naval movements AWACs has been increased with regular sonobouy passes by rapid moving MMA-D1 Gull Reconaissance Aircraft. Also, a substantial amount of LIDAR, downlooking LIDAR, and beyond the horizon RADAR, has been placed in the skies in a wide circle around any Macabee fleet, moving towards Freemantia or not.


IDF:
Again, thirty miles was nothing for ASW destroyer RADAR, and with the rescent advent of AWACs over the Macabeen fleets the IDF submarines that were placed some thirty miles from the moving Macabee fleet were caught redhanded.

Immediately, off two destroyers in the immediate area four MMH-C1 Sea Serpent Helicopters took off and began to scour the area that the original sonar reading had indicated with sonobouys. The Sea Serpents were dropping the sonobouys in crescent and cheveron formations, making reading the IDF submarines much easier. The Macabee Navy gave the Destroyer HES Alacor the kill, should it go to that. It was designated Master 1 for the Alacor.

The second IDF submarine came up a little later, caught by a destroyer sprinting ahead for about two kilometers. Again, it sent its two Sea Serpents out which triangulated the position.

To: IDF

We have already warned nations not to send their submarines toward us. Please, get your subs the hell out before we are forced to sink them.

OOC: Macabees - you cannot tell someone else what the result on their fleet is. That's Godmodding. Shall I give you the quote from GMC Military Arms?

A Godmode is an arbitary statement of superiority detrimental to good RP.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7312058&postcount=16

Secondly : Post your OOC and IC tags, or it's all IC.

So EDIT the damned thing to non-Godmoddish. You and IDF can decide what can and cannot be detected between you two in a reasonable discussion. If you're not capable of that, then you will be ignored. YOU don't get to decide everything. Its consensual, freeform RP, meaning we all get our say.

And as I've set that groundrule here and now, I feel much better about myself. TTFN.

OCC: It is well documented that he has Ignored every Creditable Threat that he has ever come across, But i better leave this thread now i am probley in enough trouble as it is.


OOC: Credible threats such as yourself, Russian Forces, and Whittier? HA!

The way you guys throw around hundreds of millions of troops is about the most n00bish things I've ever seen. And if you think I ignore threats, look at when I helped invade Melkor Unchained an look at how I'm invading Crimmond. Both nations are larger than my own, so your claim is totally baseless.

Lighten up! Besides, you have no reason to massacre Kriegos citizens. Anyway, I look forward to RPing with you unless you go all "OMFG I HAV TEH SENTINELZ! RAWR! AR TEH INVINSUBLE!1!ONEONEONE" but I doubt that will happen, you're a better RPer than that.


OOC: Well, it's well known that if you provoke me into action, you will pay the dearest cost. I don't number wank like alot of I.I'ers tend to do, I beat down my opponents with excellent RP. If you really want to fight up against my nation, be prepared for the worst because I will dish it out.

(OOC: Heres the problem with that logic. If he does it to one side, than another side, one with even greater power than him, will do it right back at him. For instance, my Defense budget, even though my tax rate is around half of his, is nearly as large. My Law and Order budget is bigger. My GDP is bigger. My population is bigger, and in fact, because its only half taxed, these people have the money, themselves, to fully fund their own militias. I don't even have to make bogus claims about my entire population being trained by the government, because the fact is they have the money to do it themselves. I don't have to pay for every aspect of their lives, AMF does. You want to explain how 3.3 billion people can have their entire life paid for with less than oh...33 trillion dollars at the very least? Thats just the normal things of life, heating, food, etc. Thats not education, infrastructure, etc.

If AMF decides to go salt the earth, I will redirect my forces at him. Simply put, if he tries that kind of shit, I will forgo this war entirely, and redirect my attacking forces to bring him down. Now I know that will make me attackable, which means I'll suddenly have to turn to my allies, and bring this further to craziness, by using Sketch, possibly the Brotherhood, and possibly even Garrison if it came to that. So lets try and keep this on only a few fronts. Total war is acceptable, but claims of "salt the earth" tactics, will be met with by the same)

OOC: You truely never read any of my threads.

My citizens are like any other normal people, it's the Sentinels that are basically tools of the government. I don't have time to go into detail, so do a search and study up.

Secondly, your threats don't concern me in the least. You may have a larger civilian population and a higher GDP, but your military is not nearly as battle hardened and experinced as mine. I'm sick of this n00bish attitude that if your population is higher that you automatically win. You have about 150 million more people than me, which really doesn't mean shit if you think about it. It's also very stupid for someone who has barely used their military to scream 'RAWR!' at someone abit smaller than them who has put a year and a half into their military and uses/updates it quite frequently. The point is, I've RPed my Sentinels to the point where they are perhaps the strongest modern tech fighting force in the NS world, rivaled only by the Reavers of Pantera.

Oh, and I don't think Sketch will be getting involved on either side. He's a very close ally of mine, and if need be I can also call in a few 'friends' that would definatly turn the tide in this war.

Again, your threats to bring me down don't concern me.

OOC: No, you're underinformed as to doctrine. "Salted Earth" means "Don't leave the enemy the ability to do jack to you for generations". The Romans used it well. So don't go crying about "rp prowess" when your nation is reduced back to the stone age. You make your choices, you accept the consequences.

See also "Allanea" (I probably spelled it wrong, but so be it).

(OOC: Heres the problem with that logic. If he does it to one side, than another side, one with even greater power than him, will do it right back at him. For instance, my Defense budget, even though my tax rate is around half of his, is nearly as large. My Law and Order budget is bigger. My GDP is bigger. My population is bigger, and in fact, because its only half taxed, these people have the money, themselves, to fully fund their own militias. I don't even have to make bogus claims about my entire population being trained by the government, because the fact is they have the money to do it themselves. I don't have to pay for every aspect of their lives, AMF does. You want to explain how 3.3 billion people can have their entire life paid for with less than oh...33 trillion dollars at the very least? Thats just the normal things of life, heating, food, etc. Thats not education, infrastructure, etc.

If AMF decides to go salt the earth, I will redirect my forces at him. Simply put, if he tries that kind of shit, I will forgo this war entirely, and redirect my attacking forces to bring him down. Now I know that will make me attackable, which means I'll suddenly have to turn to my allies, and bring this further to craziness, by using Sketch, possibly the Brotherhood, and possibly even Garrison if it came to that. So lets try and keep this on only a few fronts. Total war is acceptable, but claims of "salt the earth" tactics, will be met with by the same)

OOC: First - he's done it before and often. So have many others. Are you appointing yourself "Policeman to the NS World"? Want a list of offenders? Current, past, or continuous? How much memory you have on that hard drive?
Second - see also the MAD doctrine. It applies. Which is why Macabee's move to infuriate the world is equally silly. Eventually, these things always get entirely out of hand, deteriorate into flaming and bitching, then close and go away. Why? Because they have a common Achilles Heel - it takes agreeable RPers working in concert to bring this sort of RP off, not powerwankers.
Third - stats don't matter. RP matters. Numberwanking won't help.
Fourth - Use of nukes automatically "salts the earth". So do many biological and chemical weapons. I take it then you're going to attack anyone who uses these? No?

If one "takes sides" on an absolute statement, one sounds hypocritical.

I await your reply.

(...)
"Don't make me bring the APTO into this"
"Sketch is a very close allie of mine"
"Santa Barbara too"
"Some random 3 billion nation eager for war"
"More threats about big nations turning the tide of this war (which hasn't even erupted yet)"

Make an OOC thread for this bickering

OOC: Well, it's well known that if you provoke me into action, you will pay the dearest cost. I don't number wank like alot of I.I'ers tend to do, I beat down my opponents with excellent RP. If you really want to fight up against my nation, be prepared for the worst because I will dish it out.


So I Didn't provoke you by calling you weak and powerless?

If you were to invade me, I would like it as a 1v1 rp with the only outside interaction being logistical [ammunition etc etc] aid. I think the average ratio for my troops would be 200-1 sentinel. However, you would find that although the invasion wouldn't last long, the resistance would last until you left.

So I Didn't provoke you by calling you weak and powerless?

If you were to invade me, I would like it as a 1v1 rp with the only outside interaction being logistical [ammunition etc etc] aid. I think the average ratio for my troops would be 200-1 sentinel. However, you would find that although the invasion wouldn't last long, the resistance would last until you left.


OOC: Sticks and stones. I'm not going to invade a nation my leader deems inferior because they called him a name.

"Don't make me bring the APTO into this"
"Sketch is a very close allie of mine"
"Santa Barbara too"
"Some random 3 billion nation eager for war"
"More threats about big nations turning the tide of this war (which hasn't even erupted yet)"

Make an OOC thread for this bickering


OOC: How about......no? If it bothers you so much, make your own OOC thread.

taggity tag for IC post.

IDF:
Again, thirty miles was nothing for ASW destroyer RADAR, and with the rescent advent of AWACs over the Macabeen fleets the IDF submarines that were placed some thirty miles from the moving Macabee fleet were caught redhanded.

Immediately, off two destroyers in the immediate area four MMH-C1 Sea Serpent Helicopters took off and began to scour the area that the original sonar reading had indicated with sonobouys. The Sea Serpents were dropping the sonobouys in crescent and cheveron formations, making reading the IDF submarines much easier. The Macabee Navy gave the Destroyer HES Alacor the kill, should it go to that. It was designated Master 1 for the Alacor.

The second IDF submarine came up a little later, caught by a destroyer sprinting ahead for about two kilometers. Again, it sent its two Sea Serpents out which triangulated the position.

To: IDF

We have already warned nations not to send their submarines toward us. Please, get your subs the hell out before we are forced to sink them.

OOC: how the hell would a RADAR detect a submarine? Radar is for surface contacts and aircraft. AWACs cannot find a Sub unless the CO is dumb enough to run on the surface. Please learn about what RADAR is and how submarines operate before you decide to say they were deteced by RADAR. SONAR is a different, but at a range of 40,000 yards and running below the layer with the reactor at less than 5%, it would be hard to detect. Not impossible, but you'd have to be close or using aircraft with dipping SONARs, although sonobuoys would have a chance also. The Galaxy class sub will easily be detected as he is cavitating, but the Halibut would be hard to find.

IC: TO MACABEES: We are not able to contact our submarines at this time as they are running deep and under radio silence. They are not there for hostile actions. Their job is to observe your excercise. If you deploy a large number of ships and subs we are going to observe for reasons of intelligence. Our submarines are in International waters and no one can dictate to them. When ever we run an exercise, we are observed with ships and subs. Why don't you do what we do and practice against them instead of complaining.

[end]

IDF submarine group

The Galaxy class sub slowed 12.5 miles from the Macabee fleet. It was obvious they had been detected based on the activity and the fact that she had just cavitated. Her CO ordered a 90 degree turn to starboard bringing her on a heading of 180. She sped up to 25 knots, loud enough to be heard, but not enough to cavitate at her current depth. Her CO made sure that it was known that she was leaving.

While this was happening, the ISS HALIBUT under command of Commander Rickover sat and listened. The Galaxy's maneuver took pressure off of him for the moment.

OOC: Guffingford, we all ignore you I don't know what you posted but it looks something like this:

This message is hidden because Guffingford is on your ignore list.

You are wasting your time on this thread, and aren't you still under the two week posting ban?

OOC: Guffingford, we all ignore you I don't know what you posted but it looks something like this:

This message is hidden because Guffingford is on your ignore list.

You are wasting your time on this thread, and aren't you still under the two week posting ban?

OoC: For your information, you and a couple of other ignore GF, the rest of the sane world doesn't. Now, shut up and take your OoC babbeling to the OOC thread.

Hmmm. Massive troop movements, naval buildup, fellow NATO members increasing security measures- It seems something big's going down.

Macabees, we wish you the best of luck in your fleet exercises. As long as they remain as such, we shouldn't have a quarrel. However, we do view the massive number of ships and troops as a possible threat. Thus, Samtonia wishes to inform you of increased surveillance of your fleet.

Now, we urge all nations to think before acting, try to keep the diplomacy civil, and not keep up such aggressive stances! The best route to war is insults, mais non?

Gentlemen. If it comes to blows and our alliance is in the right, we will fully support NATO. However, we urge all NATO nations not to attempt to cause conflict. We of course would not help in this event.

So Macabees- Tread safely, tread nicely, but most of all, tread carefully, for Samtonia is now watching.

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/2290/Clipboard12.jpg
Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen

((OOC: Samtonia... your leader's picture rocks :D ))

OOC- Why thank you. Blofeld anyone?

The Imperial Empire of Belem is sending 5 Full Imperial Fleets to engage in Fleet Excercises with our Ally Macabee. The fleets will fully arrived within 3 weeks time(about 12 hours RL time) to the area.


OOC: Each fleet consists of
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger Missile ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 Tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus Battleships
30 Legate Battlecruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion Heavy Destroyers
10 Velite Attack Submarines(they are using Caterpillar drives and pitted rubber hulls to help avoid by active and passive detection)
Additional Support and Logistical ships
An additional 20 Velites and 10 SSBNs from each fleet are being deployed approx. 4 thousand miles away from the area.

6 Wolf Packs each with 10 Lupine Submarines are being deployed with the fleet also using Caterpillar drives and pitted hulls.

OOC: Credible threats such as yourself, Russian Forces, and Whittier? HA!

The way you guys throw around hundreds of millions of troops is about the most n00bish things I've ever seen. And if you think I ignore threats, look at when I helped invade Melkor Unchained an look at how I'm invading Crimmond. Both nations are larger than my own, so your claim is totally baseless.
(OOC: I agree with this statement entirely. As such I ask that you AMF keep in line with your own statements and do not resort, if you should invade other nations involved in this conflict, to using overpowering large armies...which is of course the only way a salted earth campaign can ever really work. The Romans used salted earth after they won, Carthage was destroyed after its armies had been broken. But remember. Everytime you rip something apart, you put into a hatred that will never die, and will prime against you always. Better to follow Plato's rules of Civil War. For remember, he who is your enemy now may be your brother later, and you don't need them stabbing you in the back for revenge then. So, if you do invade, do not make it absurd, or it will be countered. Remember, I have met the Reavers in combat, and come out equal. I have gone into combat with other allies of yours, and I have won. Now I'm sorry that my posts were erased when my nation was deleted at the beginning of this year and the wars that occured within them were lost, and I have not taken the time to really get back into the sway of things since, other things have occupied my time. Now, I recall more than one time where AMF was either about to quit NS, or take a hiatus from it. I also recall it coming back soon afterwards each time. The WMNK may have died, and largely so due to actions of yours. However, the ideal espoused about enforcing good war has not. The only reason I chose this conflict to enter, was because of the quality of some of the RPers, if not others. It is very hard to find a good war nowadays, as I'm sure you can attest to. Lets not ruin this opportunity through threats of all-out destruction that good RPers need not make. Also, one final point. Remember, you have all these wars of yours, thereby you have lost many of your top soldiers through natural attrition. No nation can be constantly at war without gradually losing men, material, and morale. It doesn't work any other way.

Nextly, about the various offenders. Most of them are not worthwhile RPers, who shouldn't be resorting that type of nonsense. I remember Marathon, do you? I remember the Garrison II nuclear annihilation, do you? Thirdly, stats do matter. They always have, they always will. Without them, you cannot truly make a realistic military. Lastly, yes I will always either attack or ignore any mass users of nuclear arms, or other WMD. They are not something that a good RPer uses, except under extremely unusual circumstances, and even then its usually something along the lines of a suitcase bomb.

Also, Macabees, is it Macabeen, or Macabian, or what?)
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From: Tremalkien High Command
To: Macabeen High Command

Our forces shall give you a buffer zone of approximately 50 miles. We feel it is our duty to, at very least, provide a static guard for this situation. We shall not interpose directly into your wargames, and all forces within the sphere of those games shall be withdrawn to outside of that.
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From: Tremalkien High Command
To: AMF High Command

Our forces shall be bordering the Macabeen wargames, and as your nation leads the NATO forces, I ask that the area occupied by my observing forces not be encroached upon by NATO forces. We are not currently hostile to either side, but any move against us will be taken as such, and reciprocal action shall occur.
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(OOC2: Let me make one thing clear here. I am not on either side of this conflict yet. Tremalkier doesn't take sides, we take advantages, and this situation provides us an opportunity to drastically weaken multiple powerful nations, whilst still being able to pull out with ease, should things look grim. Now, Macabees on the one hand provides me a chance to strike at NATO, if that opportunity looks good. On the other hand, NATO gives me a good opportunity to strike at Macabees and its allies if that opportunity looks good. I have as yet not truly committed to either side.

Last note, AMF, before you respond in depth, please check your telegrams)

EDIT: (OOC: Just checked out your leader Samtonia, and I have to admit, glorious choice)

OOC: Macabees - you cannot tell someone else what the result on their fleet is. That's Godmodding. Shall I give you the quote from GMC Military Arms?

OOC: I never did...

OOC: how the hell would a RADAR detect a submarine? Radar is for surface contacts and aircraft. AWACs cannot find a Sub unless the CO is dumb enough to run on the surface. Please learn about what RADAR is and how submarines operate before you decide to say they were deteced by RADAR. SONAR is a different, but at a range of 40,000 yards and running below the layer with the reactor at less than 5%, it would be hard to detect. Not impossible, but you'd have to be close or using aircraft with dipping SONARs, although sonobuoys would have a chance also. The Galaxy class sub will easily be detected as he is cavitating, but the Halibut would be hard to find.

IC: TO MACABEES: We are not able to contact our submarines at this time as they are running deep and under radio silence. They are not there for hostile actions. Their job is to observe your excercise. If you deploy a large number of ships and subs we are going to observe for reasons of intelligence. Our submarines are in International waters and no one can dictate to them. When ever we run an exercise, we are observed with ships and subs. Why don't you do what we do and practice against them instead of complaining.

[end]

IDF submarine group

The Galaxy class sub slowed 12.5 miles from the Macabee fleet. It was obvious they had been detected based on the activity and the fact that she had just cavitated. Her CO ordered a 90 degree turn to starboard bringing her on a heading of 180. She sped up to 25 knots, loud enough to be heard, but not enough to cavitate at her current depth. Her CO made sure that it was known that she was leaving.

While this was happening, the ISS HALIBUT under command of Commander Rickover sat and listened. The Galaxy's maneuver took pressure off of him for the moment.


OOC: Sorry, that was a typo on my part...I mean sonar..


ALSO.... sonobouys CAN pick up submarines which are running deep..it's called looking under the layer... or looking under two layers..however, layers of deepness I have to go..but it is possible..how do you think US AWACs does it? Also, you can't really control cavitation, you can control the amount of cavitation, but there will always be cavitation... if your screw moves, you have cavitation.


And yes, for everyone, every part of my RP I am going up and asking my AP Physics teacher who was a weapons officer on a destroyer, submarine and frigate...and was one of the major designers on the Tomahawk project.

OOC: Sorry, that was a typo on my part...I mean sonar..


ALSO.... sonobouys CAN pick up submarines which are running deep..it's called looking under the layer... or looking under two layers..however, layers of deepness I have to go..but it is possible..how do you think US AWACs does it? Also, you can't really control cavitation, you can control the amount of cavitation, but there will always be cavitation... if your screw moves, you have cavitation.


And yes, for everyone, every part of my RP I am going up and asking my AP Physics teacher who was a weapons officer on a destroyer, submarine and frigate...and was one of the major designers on the Tomahawk project.

OOC: I said sonobouys can pick up subs running deep. The US AWACs has a RADAR, not a SONAR. The AWACs is 100% useless against a submerges sub. It would only be good for picking up a surfaced boat. There is only cavitation at high speeds with a screw. A screw always makes some noise, but cavitation is only at a high speed which varies at depth. Cavitation speed is lower on the surface than at deeper depths. At some depths, it is too deep for cavitation bubbles to even form.

OOC: The US Navy tracks subs via sonar buoys (I got a tour of anti-sub plane and I saw the sonar buoy tubes), not AWACS.

OOC: The US Navy tracks subs via sonar buoys (I got a tour of anti-sub plane and I saw the sonar buoy tubes), not AWACS.
OOC: The AWACs plane is the E-3 Sentry, the ASW plane is the P-3C Orion or S-3B Viking.

Artitsa:
You're not fooling me man. US Navy Destroyers have the capability of burning through anachoic tiling at over thirty thousand meters - since most NS systems are twice to five times as powerful as that then it is incredibly easy to burn through anachoic tiling. Anachoic tiling on submarines is now a days placed so that US submarines can easily destroy SSKs, and the cheaper SSNs out there, such as the Han class, or even Russian Alfa classes. As for your aerogel or whatever it's called - it doesn't stop me from hearing your outer doors open for that launch, or for me to hear your cavitation on passive... so therefore, it's fairly easy for me to catch your submarines at a close distance.

At 60km, you ain't going to be picking these up thats for sure. The Aerogel coating absorbs Active [i]and[/b] passive Sonar. If you want a good solid return, you'd have to be within 10km. It doesn't matter about how powerful your sonar is, if it just gets absorbed...

As it stands, my subs think your going to attack em... might have to side with NATO on this one then.

OOC: Macabees - you cannot tell someone else what the result on their fleet is. That's Godmodding. Shall I give you the quote from GMC Military Arms?

OOC: I never did...

OOC: Maybe you just don't understand what you did. So we'll quote you out the part. Each GodMod on your part is bold, and I'll explain why it's GodMod afterwards



IDF:
Again, thirty miles was nothing for ASW destroyer RADAR, and with the rescent advent of AWACs over the Macabeen fleets the IDF submarines that were placed some thirty miles from the moving Macabee fleet were caught redhanded.(1)

Immediately, off two destroyers in the immediate area four MMH-C1 Sea Serpent Helicopters took off and began to scour the area that the original sonar reading had indicated with sonobouys. The Sea Serpents were dropping the sonobouys in crescent and cheveron formations, making reading the IDF submarines much easier(2). The Macabee Navy gave the Destroyer HES Alacor the kill, should it go to that. It was designated Master 1 for the Alacor.

The second IDF submarine came up a little later, caught by a destroyer sprinting ahead for about two kilometers(3). Again, it sent its two Sea Serpents out which triangulated the position.

To: IDF

We have already warned nations not to send their submarines toward us. Please, get your subs the hell out before we are forced to sink them.

(1) Decides on a result. GodMod - IDF never said they were detected.
(2) You don't know whose subs those are. GodMod - knowledge you don't have.
(3) You moved IDF's fleet. GodMod - you don't get to play with other peoples pieces.

Is that now clear enough? You GodModded not once, but three times in the same post.

Artitsa:
You're not fooling me man. US Navy Destroyers have the capability of burning through anachoic tiling at over thirty thousand meters - since most NS systems are twice to five times as powerful as that then it is incredibly easy to burn through anachoic tiling. Anachoic tiling on submarines is now a days placed so that US submarines can easily destroy SSKs, and the cheaper SSNs out there, such as the Han class, or even Russian Alfa classes. As for your aerogel or whatever it's called - it doesn't stop me from hearing your outer doors open for that launch, or for me to hear your cavitation on passive... so therefore, it's fairly easy for me to catch your submarines at a close distance.

At 60km, you ain't going to be picking these up thats for sure. The Aerogel coating absorbs Active [i]and[/b] passive Sonar. If you want a good solid return, you'd have to be within 10km. It doesn't matter about how powerful your sonar is, if it just gets absorbed...

As it stands, my subs think your going to attack em... might have to side with NATO on this one then.

OOC: Macabees, this is another blatant GodMod. You cannot tell another player what their technology can and cannot do. Again, this is a consensual freeform RP - they have to agree to it.

And frankly, I don't care what your AP Physics teacher told you. Period. There's no way on Gods Green Earth he's dealt with half the advanced technologies on here because there is no equivalent on Earth. Furthermore, there is no proof this person exists, and even if they do, who cares? They're NOT part of this RP!

Now stop GodModding!

OOC: Maybe you just don't understand what you did. So we'll quote you out the part. Each GodMod on your part is bold, and I'll explain why it's GodMod afterwards



(1) Decides on a result. GodMod - IDF never said they were detected.
(2) You don't know whose subs those are. GodMod - knowledge you don't have.
(3) You moved IDF's fleet. GodMod - you don't get to play with other peoples pieces.

Is that now clear enough? You GodModded not once, but three times in the same post.
OOC: I placed the two subs at 30 and 25 miles away from him. so he had the right range, but reasons 1 and 2 are accurate and godmodes. He could find 1 sub as he was meant to find it as I was creating a diversion, but the other could not be found at the range he was posting. It would be like a black hole in the water in terms of the noise it made.

OOC: Well, I think that detection could be decided by him, as long as it is agreed upon and that it's not ridiculously long-ranged, and it doesn't appear that the Macabees ICly actually know that these are IDF's rather tahn anyone else's (since the names could be put in there as descriptors). However, I'll have to agree to some of the stuff already mentioned, since it is obvious that while some nations could have excellent sonar technologies, other nations (especially those with a large submarine department in their navies) will also have much more advanced silencing technologies for their submarines (this is just like how nations continuously improve their radar tech while the US constantly upgrade the stealth tech on their F-117s and B-2s). It greatly varies, as a night fighter-mounted radar from WWII would obviously have much difficulty in detecting a Tomahawk, but an airborne radar in the near future of the 21st century wouldn't.

Hopefully further OOC comment here could be moved to the OOC thread, sorry for posting here...

OOC: Im not invovled in this thread only watching but i would like to know how you can field these massive militaries. Also the amount of ocean required for your fleets to operate is immense. If a carrier and its ecorts require a circle with a radius of 50 miles to operate and you have a fleet of 20 carrier (from 1 country) that is an area of 157,080 square miles. How can you fit multiple navies this size together? Also i find the bickering to be a bit immature. On yet another note, how does an aerogel work? i see many ship classes and technologies that go unexplained: for example how does a "Model" class carrier compare to a Nimitz class?

OOC: Well, I think that detection could be decided by him, as long as it is agreed upon and that it's not ridiculously long-ranged, and it doesn't appear that the Macabees ICly actually know that these are IDF's rather tahn anyone else's (since the names could be put in there as descriptors).

OOC: It doesn't, huh? Then where did this come from:


To: IDF

We have already warned nations not to send their submarines toward us. Please, get your subs the hell out before we are forced to sink them.

He is identifying the owner and sending a message to them.

OOC: Im not invovled in this thread only watching but i would like to know how you can field these massive militaries. Also the amount of ocean required for your fleets to operate is immense. If a carrier and its ecorts require a circle with a radius of 50 miles to operate and you have a fleet of 20 carrier (from 1 country) that is an area of 157,080 square miles. How can you fit multiple navies this size together? Also i find the bickering to be a bit immature. On yet another note, how does an aerogel work? i see many ship classes and technologies that go unexplained: for example how does a "Model" class carrier compare to a Nimitz class?

New to NS eh. Many nations here have multi-trillion dollar defence budgets. I myself have $19 Trillon budget. Also, the world we play on is about the size of Jupiter in order to fit all these nations.

Aerogel coating: Ask Scandavian States or New Empire. You can ask me by TG, but it'll be a half-assed response, since Im no expert.

At 60km, you ain't going to be picking these up thats for sure. The Aerogel coating absorbs Active [i]and[/b] passive Sonar. If you want a good solid return, you'd have to be within 10km. It doesn't matter about how powerful your sonar is, if it just gets absorbed...

As it stands, my subs think your going to attack em... might have to side with NATO on this one then.
(OOC: You do realize thats impossible don't you? Passive radar <b> CAN'T </b> be absorbed. Its not possible, you can't absorb something that doesn't need deflection, or rather, you can't neutralize passive radar by absorbing it. Passive radar is a displacement based device, not a deflection based one. Thereby if your coating absorbed said radar, it would actually <b>enhance</b> the targetting capabilities of the passive radar, because it would show exactly where you were, exactly how fast you were going, where you were headed, hell, you could calculate what type of payloads you were carrying (though that would require too much time to be useful). It doesn't matter if you absorb it, because its still doing its job then. Thats why Stealth technology is so endangered with Passive Radar, the absorbitive qualities of the aircraft are completely neutralized by the very nature of the system.

You bought a crap system because neither you, nor its inventor, understood what is was supposed to protect against. As we know it, there is no defense for Passive Radar, except for nothing to be there, because if there is something there, it will find it. Lastly, I've got to point out that passive radar is becoming a nuisance here, and I can only hope that my use of it since I read about it (approx: July 03) has not been the cause of this influx of ignorant usage)

OOC:
Second - Eventually, these things always get entirely out of hand, deteriorate into flaming and bitching, then close and go away. Why? Because they have a common Achilles Heel - it takes agreeable RPers working in concert to bring this sort of RP off, not powerwankers.


If one "takes sides" on an absolute statement, one sounds hypocritical.

I await your reply.

Who would be the powerwankers here and what do you exactly mean by powerwankers? Is it akin to "numberwankers" but more of a "RAWR! I AR TEH BEST! RAWR!"


P.S Thanks for the break, I'll argue again now, I Just felt really sick from the TB injection.

Who would be the powerwankers here and what do you exactly mean by powerwankers? Is it akin to "numberwankers" but more of a "RAWR! I AR TEH BEST! RAWR!"


P.S Thanks for the break, I'll argue again now, I Just felt really sick from the TB injection.

We're arguing?

And yep, that's basically a powerwanker. "I MUST WIN YOU MUST LOSE YOU WILL ALL BOW TO ME!" bullshit artists. People who will not "let it go". People who - even though they know their crap isn't fun for the rest of the world, keep doing it because being "arrogant asshole" is somehow fulfilling to them.

Before some twit spouts off about me saying "all arrogant people are assholes", that's not the case. There's alot of Arrogant Nations that play Arrogance well. And that's fine. Its when they start shaking their booty in other peoples faces - that's not. You can't "win" NationStates. But you sure can offend alot of people.

I'll put it in other terms.

A friend of mine fights in the SCA. She happens to be female. In the SCA, female fighters are not thought highly of because apparently testosterone shuts off the brain and being beaten by a woman is "bad".

She was in a duel. She clocked her opponent. He declared it was a bad hit. Well and good.

Twelve hits later - including one which staggered him to the ground - he declared all of them were "bad hits".

Now, everyone in the audience (about 200 of us) could see he had been beaten to a pulp and hadn't laid a glove on her. But nope, macho crap artist kept at it.

My solution would have been to cave his helm on him. Hers was to tell him she was giving him the field as he wanted it so badly as to dishonor himself.

Powerwankers make things miserable because they always have to be the best at whatever. Best tech, best units, best tanks, best navy. Akin are those who think they've got the best (pick one) no matter what someone else has or claims to have. These people could have Fokker Triplanes vs F-15s, and they'd still go on about how the Fokker could beat the F-15, no, HAD to beat the F-15...

Guh.

As to who is and who isn't - they make themselves apparent pretty quickly if you pay attention. Unfortunately the only solution to them is from WarGames - "Strange Game. The only way to win is not to play."

We're arguing?

And yep, that's basically a powerwanker. "I MUST WIN YOU MUST LOSE YOU WILL ALL BOW TO ME!" bullshit artists. People who will not "let it go". People who - even though they know their crap isn't fun for the rest of the world, keep doing it because being "arrogant asshole" is somehow fulfilling to them.

Before some twit spouts off about me saying "all arrogant people are assholes", that's not the case. There's alot of Arrogant Nations that play Arrogance well. And that's fine. Its when they start shaking their booty in other peoples faces - that's not. You can't "win" NationStates. But you sure can offend alot of people.

I'll put it in other terms.

A friend of mine fights in the SCA. She happens to be female. In the SCA, female fighters are not thought highly of because apparently testosterone shuts off the brain and being beaten by a woman is "bad".

She was in a duel. She clocked her opponent. He declared it was a bad hit. Well and good.

Twelve hits later - including one which staggered him to the ground - he declared all of them were "bad hits".

Now, everyone in the audience (about 200 of us) could see he had been beaten to a pulp and hadn't laid a glove on her. But nope, macho crap artist kept at it.

My solution would have been to cave his helm on him. Hers was to tell him she was giving him the field as he wanted it so badly as to dishonor himself.

Powerwankers make things miserable because they always have to be the best at whatever. Best tech, best units, best tanks, best navy. Akin are those who think they've got the best (pick one) no matter what someone else has or claims to have. These people could have Fokker Triplanes vs F-15s, and they'd still go on about how the Fokker could beat the F-15, no, HAD to beat the F-15...

Guh.

As to who is and who isn't - they make themselves apparent pretty quickly if you pay attention. Unfortunately the only solution to them is from WarGames - "Strange Game. The only way to win is not to play."

We were arguing, its cooled off now. All valid points made there. Wierd to think that AMF would be a powerwanker if he wasn't so damn good at being an arrogant bastard!

But, is being a powerwanker based on RP skill at well as your attitude to fellow RPers. Because; in a way, AMF would be a powerwanker but he does it with good literature and a good plot in mind.

Would Whittier be a powerwanker? I've heard from other threads he deployed up to fifty million men to defeat AMF and maybe even more, I just know that the total number is one hundred million men between DT and Whittier but I'm not sure if DT quite understood exactly how many men were being deployed.

And I think I've noticed quite a few powerwankers...they aren't paticuarly good at RP either but I'm not going to name names or I'll get swamped by angry nations rather quickly.

We were arguing, its cooled off now. All valid points made there. Wierd to think that AMF would be a powerwanker if he wasn't so damn good at being an arrogant bastard!

But, is being a powerwanker based on RP skill at well as your attitude to fellow RPers. Because; in a way, AMF would be a powerwanker but he does it with good literature and a good plot in mind.

Would Whittier be a powerwanker? I've heard from other threads he deployed up to fifty million men to defeat AMF and maybe even more, I just know that the total number is one hundred million men between DT and Whittier but I'm not sure if DT quite understood exactly how many men were being deployed.

And I think I've noticed quite a few powerwankers...they aren't paticuarly good at RP either but I'm not going to name names or I'll get swamped by angry nations rather quickly.

Yes during that Time Whitter was requested to send forces to DT for the defense of the Nation, However that’s all that was discussed, at the time it wasn't to the DT governments knowledge of the amount of forces being deployed by the Whitter Government. The DT government would also like to point out that all Military forces in DT was disbanded and the only Forces the DT government had at the time was about 120,000 Bulgarian Home Guard Troops.

We were arguing, its cooled off now. All valid points made there. Wierd to think that AMF would be a powerwanker if he wasn't so damn good at being an arrogant bastard!

But, is being a powerwanker based on RP skill at well as your attitude to fellow RPers. Because; in a way, AMF would be a powerwanker but he does it with good literature and a good plot in mind.

Would Whittier be a powerwanker? I've heard from other threads he deployed up to fifty million men to defeat AMF and maybe even more, I just know that the total number is one hundred million men between DT and Whittier but I'm not sure if DT quite understood exactly how many men were being deployed.

And I think I've noticed quite a few powerwankers...they aren't paticuarly good at RP either but I'm not going to name names or I'll get swamped by angry nations rather quickly.

OOC: AMF doesn't powerwank - he roleplays. And he gets his head handed to him on occasion, but that's ok with him. His troops are not invincible. Tough, yes. Invincible, no.

Most importantly, he doesn't shove his RPs down other peoples throats. And that's the major tell on a powerwanker - they do shove their "Wow I'm supergodman!" down everyones throat. AMF takes time to make sure people are having fun. "Winning" isn't the point - "Enjoying" is.

There's the glaring difference. Being an arrogant schmuck is fine. Being an arrogant schmuck that shoves your rp and your junk and your need to prove yourself into everyones faces - that makes you a powerwanker. And really, who needs it? I'd rather have fun.

OOC: Everybody is invincible because you can't "win" in this game. PS: I'm not using HP anymore in major RP's

OOC: AMF doesn't powerwank - he roleplays. And he gets his head handed to him on occasion, but that's ok with him. His troops are not invincible. Tough, yes. Invincible, no.

Most importantly, he doesn't shove his RPs down other peoples throats. And that's the major tell on a powerwanker - they do shove their "Wow I'm supergodman!" down everyones throat. AMF takes time to make sure people are having fun. "Winning" isn't the point - "Enjoying" is.

There's the glaring difference. Being an arrogant schmuck is fine. Being an arrogant schmuck that shoves your rp and your junk and your need to prove yourself into everyones faces - that makes you a powerwanker. And really, who needs it? I'd rather have fun.

I agreed with you...I said he would be a powerwanker if he wasn't so damn good. If he wasn't as good, he would do those things with his army and I never said his troops are invincible, but they are probably the strongest in modern tech NS and if he wasn't as good at roleplaying, he would abuse that!

I never said being arrogant is bad, I like using arrogant characters in roleplay, it makes things more interesting.

"Winning" isn't the point - "Enjoying" is.

Not many people enjoy having their nation glassed. Also, alot of people forget that it is about telling an interesting story and just get caught up in stats and uber tanks.

One question... why on earth are you argueing here in the first place. Would it not be far better for the sake of the thread to argue using TG's or an proper OOC babbling thread. Perhaps we ought to keep this one IC, however whats the point now AMF/Vastiva/Artitsa/Macabee's and even Kiero have literally ripped this thread to pieces OOCly.

Also, stop trading the insults, get on with RPing, I say!

OOC: Guffingford, we all ignore you I don't know what you posted but it looks something like this:

This message is hidden because Guffingford is on your ignore list.

You are wasting your time on this thread, and aren't you still under the two week posting ban?

Since this thread was started by The Macabees and not by you, IDF, it is not for you to tell Guffingford whether he can join or not.

It is also moderator business whether Guffingford has completed his forum ban or not.

One question... why on earth are you argueing here in the first place. Would it not be far better for the sake of the thread to argue using TG's or an proper OOC babbling thread. Perhaps we ought to keep this one IC, however whats the point now AMF/Vastiva/Artitsa/Macabee's and even Kiero have literally ripped this thread to pieces OOCly.

Also, stop trading the insults, get on with RPing, I say!

OOC: But OOC babbling is nowhere near as fun when it has a proper thread...

(OOC: You do realize thats impossible don't you? Passive radar <b> CAN'T </b> be absorbed. Its not possible, you can't absorb something that doesn't need deflection, or rather, you can't neutralize passive radar by absorbing it. Passive radar is a displacement based device, not a deflection based one. Thereby if your coating absorbed said radar, it would actually <b>enhance</b> the targetting capabilities of the passive radar, because it would show exactly where you were, exactly how fast you were going, where you were headed, hell, you could calculate what type of payloads you were carrying (though that would require too much time to be useful). It doesn't matter if you absorb it, because its still doing its job then. Thats why Stealth technology is so endangered with Passive Radar, the absorbitive qualities of the aircraft are completely neutralized by the very nature of the system.

You bought a crap system because neither you, nor its inventor, understood what is was supposed to protect against. As we know it, there is no defense for Passive Radar, except for nothing to be there, because if there is something there, it will find it. Lastly, I've got to point out that passive radar is becoming a nuisance here, and I can only hope that my use of it since I read about it (approx: July 03) has not been the cause of this influx of ignorant usage)
Just asking, do you mean Sonar? he's talking about subs here, and RADAR is of no use underwater as far as I know.

(OOC: You do realize thats impossible don't you? Passive radar <b> CAN'T </b> be absorbed. Its not possible, you can't absorb something that doesn't need deflection, or rather, you can't neutralize passive radar by absorbing it. Passive radar is a displacement based device, not a deflection based one. Thereby if your coating absorbed said radar, it would actually <b>enhance</b> the targetting capabilities of the passive radar, because it would show exactly where you were, exactly how fast you were going, where you were headed, hell, you could calculate what type of payloads you were carrying (though that would require too much time to be useful). It doesn't matter if you absorb it, because its still doing its job then. Thats why Stealth technology is so endangered with Passive Radar, the absorbitive qualities of the aircraft are completely neutralized by the very nature of the system.

You bought a crap system because neither you, nor its inventor, understood what is was supposed to protect against. As we know it, there is no defense for Passive Radar, except for nothing to be there, because if there is something there, it will find it. Lastly, I've got to point out that passive radar is becoming a nuisance here, and I can only hope that my use of it since I read about it (approx: July 03) has not been the cause of this influx of ignorant usage)

You do realize that Aneroic Coating deals with Passive Sonar, but not passive Radar... damn that underwater passive radar!

And Passive Sonar doesn't have a 60km range, with the ability to pick up a sub running deep and silent.

So tell me, if Passive Sonar is absorbed, what signal bounces back to the host informing them of the information gathered?

Just asking, do you mean Sonar? he's talking about subs here, and RADAR is of no use underwater as far as I know.
(OOC: Goddamn it, I always do that. I don't pay attention to my terminology when I'm explaining the usage of passive radar, or in this case, passive sonar. Please excuse that mistake, and insert sonar where I said radar)

You do realize that Aneroic Coating deals with Passive Sonar, but not passive Radar... damn that underwater passive radar!

And Passive Sonar doesn't have a 60km range, with the ability to pick up a sub running deep and silent.

So tell me, if Passive Sonar is absorbed, what signal bounces back to the host informing them of the information gathered?
(OOC: Again, smacking myself for typing the wrong terminology. Its the same argument though. Passive Sonar doesn't use a ping systme. The whole point of passive radar, is that it doesn't require the signal to bounce back. Same with passive radar, they operate under identical systems. Passive Sonar is mainly known for its ability to hide the user. However, this is due to the fact that unlike active sonar it isn't sending out a sound pulse to find whats out there. Its listening to whats there. All you need to do is calculate what the sound coming at you is, and modern devices have perfected that art. Unless your ships coating quite literally is absorbing all sound waves created by its movement, which is of course impossible, then passive radar would still detect it. Its detecting the effect of your movement, not your ship itself, thereby absorbing active sonar pulses won't help you)

[Tremalkier, if you can't get the terminology right, something I never screw up with when it comes to things like radar and sonar, you have no business telling others what is and isn't possible.]

ooc: Thats perfect then. Thanks for clearing that up, because it reminds me of how I built my sub. The reactor is cooled by Freon, so theres no reactor noise. It uses MHD as propulsion, meaning no moving parts. The ceramic hull coated with Aneroic coating prevents sound from escaping. Its also quite streamlined, with no pieces sticking out... your evaluation?

[Sounds like a pretty damn quiet sub to me, not anything that's going to be picked up on passive outside of ten kilometers.]

OCC: Now I remember why I prefered the WW boards over NS...

Macabees, talk to me on AIM. I don't even know whats going on between our subs. At this rate, make an OCC thread for this topic too.

I'd love to make an IC post but I doubt anyone would read it inbetween all OOC discussion...

I'd love to make an IC post but I doubt anyone would read it inbetween all OOC discussion...

Post it, I'll read it and stop bickering.

Well...I won't but at least I'll try :P j/k

Someone started an argument and someone is going to pay. I hope it isn't me.

[Tremalkier, if you can't get the terminology right, something I never screw up with when it comes to things like radar and sonar, you have no business telling others what is and isn't possible.]
(OOC: Wow, if that isn't the single most pompous bit of BS I have ever heard, then its pretty close. Consider yourself ignored because I have no reason to pay attention to adolescents who think they are perfect, and believe that what is basically a typo actually degrades the potency of an argument)

(OOC: Wow, if that isn't the single most pompous bit of BS I have ever heard, then its pretty close. Consider yourself ignored because I have no reason to pay attention to adolescents who think they are perfect, and believe that what is basically a typo actually degrades the potency of an argument)

Tremalkier beware. He's in NATO and the OMP so that means is knowledge about naval vessels and other systems is boundless... There's an OOC thread for this but by the time anyone reads this, it has been too late.

ooc: Thats perfect then. Thanks for clearing that up, because it reminds me of how I built my sub. The reactor is cooled by Freon, so theres no reactor noise. It uses MHD as propulsion, meaning no moving parts. The ceramic hull coated with Aneroic coating prevents sound from escaping. Its also quite streamlined, with no pieces sticking out... your evaluation?
(OOC: Now this sounds remarkably more plausible, built quite along the lines of Hunter class subs. This sub would be much harder to find as its effects would be much more marginal than a less well-engineered construct. However, it would still be detectable at the same times as all other subs. When it fired, or even prepped to fire, the inrush of water, as well as the disturbance caused by the torpedo/missile itself would still lead to the sub being found, largely due to the fact that passive radar is constant. Your sub is following most of the guidelines of any submarine, cut down as much noise as possible, and hope that nobody notices the very slight disturbance. What you have to worry about in this case is the strength of the analytical equipment your up against. Another sub wouldn't necessarily see you, but lets say you were facing a pure sub-hunting destroyer. If said destroyer was equipped with powerful analytical equipment, capable of plucking apart the sound waves it receives even from great distances, then there is nothing that really any sub can do but hide. Final Analysis: Your safe from a distance so surveillance, patrol duties and precision strikes are optimal, however major engagement and active fighting are discouraged as both negate its anti-sensory advantage, and it by its very nature has to be weak in armanents or else its displacement would be much greater, thereby causing its disturbance in the water to be much greater, make it easier to detect)

Tremalkier beware. He's in NATO and the OMP so that means is knowledge about naval vessels and other systems is boundless...

OOC: Actually, it means that he's got some people (mostly Freethinkers) who's knowledge is close to "expert"... Scandavian States just has access to them but it doesn't mean they he is an expert himself... though I'll admit that some of the basics do rub off.

OOC: Actually, it means that he's got some people (mostly Freethinkers) who's knowledge is close to "expert"... Scandavian States just has access to them but it doesn't mean they he is an expert himself... though I'll admit that some of the basics do rub off.
(OOC: Quietly notes that he has family in the Department of Defense, so access to "real experts" not close ones. May not be high-ranking, but access is everything, so says the Premium Club [anyone from New England should get the reference, everyone else...not so much])

[Uh, my knowledge of systems is probably better than 90% of the so-called experts on NS. I couldn't design a ship because my knowledge of systems arrangement and calculations for draft and such is lacking, mainly because I haven't been exposed to it.]

(OOC: Quietly notes that he has family in the Department of Defense, so access to "real experts" not close ones. May not be high-ranking, but access is everything, so says the Premium Club [anyone from New England should get the reference, everyone else...not so much])

[*snorts* So? My father helped design and test the Patriot, doesn't mean he'd tell me shit about actual performance. Can you guess why? It classified and I would wager than none of your family members would like to spend a few years at Ft. Leavenworth courtesy of Uncle Sam just because you're their favorite nephew or something.]

OOC: Meh, whatever... in anycase this whole arguement is getting pretty stupid concidering this is a fictional role-playing game. Spefics are only important to some people, most people just want to tell a story or play out an action. Going into detail about a minor issue only damages the story as this arguement has clearly done...

Now I'm going to leave this thread alone now, NATO aren't really of any concern to me and my only IC link here is that I'm watching the action from recon satellites... but it's getting hard to see anything which is going on because quite frankly no RP happens while everyone argues over something which can be resolved if both players sit down and work out what they hell they want out of this.

[*snorts* So? My father helped design and test the Patriot, doesn't mean he'd tell me shit about actual performance. Can you guess why? It classified and I would wager than none of your family members would like to spend a few years at Ft. Leavenworth courtesy of Uncle Sam just because you're their favorite nephew or something.]
(OOC: You should try contacting the government for any information. They are actually quite helpful so long as you realize that they can only give you completely unclassified information. However, that doesn't stop them from providing you with: Good articles, good analysis, good definitions, explained usage, etc. All the departmentals have trained staff in providing the public with info, you can thank a little thing called the Freedom of Information Act for that doozie. Honestly man, you think the Government gives a damn whether one of their employees suggests articles, gives out publicly stated analysis, provides official definitions, etc etc. None of these things are illegal, they are just hard to find for the average public, however those people whom are experts in the area have to know these kind of things. If you go to the State Department asking for info on the Saudi state, they can tell you what to look at. Its not hard)