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Secret IC:

FSM Ministry of Defense

Monday afternoon. Lebedev sat at his desk, frustrated. The CAD would continue to play the game of brinksmanship. Damn them. We should have crushed them when we had the chance. Now peace would need to be attained through the new treaty, something which the minister was unaccustomed to.

Enter Minister of Intelligence, Karpov. He walked in, with an apprehensive look on his face.

"What is it now?" asked the Defense Minister.

"We have information. Concerning the CAD. Plans of an invasion against us. We need to act now. Mobilize the military."

"Now wait just one minute. They're going to try to invade us? Where did you get this?"

"Krolik."

Lebedev froze. Krolik, the spy. Infamous throughout FSM, for providing top quality intelligence. The rabbit, who sneaks through the enemy's fences. The invincible, omniscient spy.

"B.. But..." He stuttered. "We can't act on one source! No matter how good it is, we're going to have to corroborate this information with other reliable sources!"

"I've taken care of that." Karpov hands him a heavy packet, titled: Memo: Possible CAD invasion.

Lebedev took a deep breath. "You've convinced me. Send a message to the president. He'll be the final authority. And contact our allies as well."

"I'm one step ahead," said Karpov as he pulled out his mobile phone.

OOC: Before one of you starts complaining, I will tell you they are operating on false information.

-256kb encryption-

To N. Teslakov:

As much as we hate to halt peace talks,
we hate the CAD even more. You have our
support, we are ready to aid your effort.

-Emperor Okura Ryusaki

OOC:Well, FSM, I must say, you f*cked up royaly.

OOC:Well, FSM, I must say, you f*cked up royaly.


OOC: Respond to the joint cad space prog thread please.

OOC:Sure, and will FSM post his f*cking losses before he tries to use those masers.

OOC: Mistake? Nahh, I'm trying to go out with a bang. I'm quitting NS. Will post losses as soon as i see it come up on the first page.

OOC:I know, you said that before, I just always wanted to say 'you f*cked up royaly'.

OOC: Can we get a good map of the CAD? Important buildings, bases, etc. And where exactly are you located?

OOC: Don't have one yet, I don't really know were anyone else's bases are.

OOC: Don't have one yet, I don't really know were anyone else's bases are.

OOC: Your bases then please.

OOC:...but I do happen to have a map of Doomingsland on hand,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/Doomingsland/Doomingsland2.bmp

Red=Important bases

Black dot=major city

Blue=heavily concentrated AA and radar, you would have a hard time finding these on sats

Brown=Major airbases

There's an island nation off my coast called Ruthless Sluaghter, you'd have to go right through him to get to me, my western boarder is with Grenval, my southern boarder is with Jipleastan, my northern boarder is with Shenyang, all of them are allies. That pretty much sums up my little corner of the CAD.

EDIT-One more thing, that little strip of yellow is my only landable beach, everything else is just jagged cliffs and such, extremely difficult to land on, especialy with crap falling on top of you like there's no tommorow.

There's an island nation off my coast called Ruthless Sluaghter, you'd have to go right through him to get to me, my western boarder is with Grenval, my southern boarder is with Jipleastan, my northern boarder is with Shenyang, all of them are allies. That pretty much sums up my little corner of the CAD.

EDIT-One more thing, that little strip of yellow is my only landable beach, everything else is just jagged cliffs and such, extremely difficult to land on, especialy with crap falling on top of you like there's no tommorow.

OOC: Through him? We'll go around him. And since there's an island, that also fits into the plan very, very, very well.

Since everything else is jagged cliffs, we can destroy your economy pretty easily. And even though it won't be reflected in the stats, you still should RP it.

OOC:You'll have a tough time going around him, trust me, and you taking him over will most likely screw you up even worse with all of the resources and men you'd waste. I don't really rely too much on trade, I can produce all of the materials and such my people need, most of the stuff I export are TVs and crap like that. Plus I have people right across the boarder I'll be trading with, this won't be so easy as you think, trust me. You haven't even scratched the surface of the hell you'll be going through.

TAG

OOC: Dude, it hasn't become IC info yet.

OOC: Dude, it hasn't become IC info yet.

Changed. You asked for help so I thought I needed to send forces.

OOC: By the way, why did you kick out Imperial Artica? He broke no rules. He really should still be in the CAD. Technically, he still is. So he can still betray you.

OOC:No, he actualy did break rules, he posed as the actual player Imperial Artica, so techinically he was.

OOC:No, he actualy did break rules, he posed as the actual player Imperial Artica, so techinically he was.

OOC: He is really Imperial Artica. Did he ever admit that he wasn't? I believe he was saying that the nation of Imperial Articas was fake, and he was legit. Until you can prove he's fake, you're "techinically" if you won't let him rejoin your region. However, I'm afriad he's gone now, I will TG him however.

OOC:He said OOCly he was a fake, after claiming to be the actual player, he even gave out personal information and such, and the same name as IA(the player), so, yes, he did break the rules, and could get deleted for doing that.

OOC:He said OOCly he was a fake, after claiming to be the actual player, he even gave out personal information and such, and the same name as IA(the player), so, yes, he did break the rules, and could get deleted for doing that.

OOC: Could I see the post saying this? All I remember seeing was him showing that there was himself, and Imperial Articas.

OOC:He said it on our regional boards a month or so back when the forums were down.

OOC:I don't really rely too much on trade, I can produce all of the materials and such my people need, most of the stuff I export are TVs and crap like that. Plus I have people right across the boarder I'll be trading with, this won't be so easy as you think, trust me. You haven't even scratched the surface of the hell you'll be going through.

OOC: No wonder why you have such a big deficit!

He said it on our regional boards a month or so back when the forums were down.

Wait, then how come you said you didn't have proof in that other post?

OOC:I said I didn't have any real proof before he admitted it, I meant.

OOC: I'll have a map of Jipleastan up soon

remember JA, and FSM, you appear to be only two nations. You will be fighting almost everyone in CAD, and C A D...

OOC: This is my response to FSM's attacks on my sat's in the Joint CAD space program thread, but since were now at war I'll post it here.

Two rod carriers had been torched by the unexpected and unprovoked laser pulse, the final carrier was more fortunate, a last minute attitude adjustion had caused the laser to miss wide and only take out the right solar panel. This however, made it impossible for the sat to re-charge its batteries. In a few hours it would be dead. Triangulation of the pulse had created a regression line right into FSM. Now that they knew who the aggressor was it was time to act.

The Wirrawayan high command was faced with a tough decision, either allow the carrier to die and wait for further news, or use it while it was still operational. They opted for the latter. The Nuclear launch platform, which was in stationary orbit over Wirraway and had therefore not been hit was activated, but the High Command did not anticipate nuclear war, unless of course, FSM fired first. Orders were beamed to the carrier to launch its attack.

High above FSM the carrier made a few final adjustments before releasing its 30 rods, at the same time it received orders to de-orbit its-self. The path it would follow, although unknown to it, was going to take it straight into FSM. But it would arrive a lot later the than the rods, which were now burning white-hot as they entered the atmosphere at over 12,000 feet per second. Their fins deployed and the tiny guidance computers in their nose-cones made minute adjustments, reconciling their courses with the up-loaded flight path by using GPS data. The GPS made it possible for the rods to hit within 25 meters of their intended target.

At least 3 rods had been targeted at each major FSM city with the remainder being assigned to military installations. The rods slammed into their targets a mere 7 minutes after being released. The massive amounts of kinetic energy stored in each rod created a huge explosion and shockwave. The craters were enormous.

At the same time Wirrawayan F-22 armed with ASAT missiles made ready to take down any FSM carriers which strayed over Wirraway. The J-STARS 747 laser carrier was also put on alert and was ready to deploy its satellite-killing laser at a moments notice.

Wirraway was prepared for an escalation, should FSM decide to retaliate, but Wirraway was ready and if it came to all out war FSM would be wiped from the face of the earth.

tag

[tag] Macabee (I had to write my name to get this on my search later on).

[OOC - So where is the war?

P.S. I bet you all did not expect to see my smiling face, considering I have not been active around here for several months. Building up a region is hard work ya know.]

[OOC - Oh yeah, and the real reason I am posting of course:

Still OOC... If you touch CAD I will create green, bubbling lake of hell where your nation is.]

I actually am the real Artica, NIA was not. And sorry to my allies but until I clear up the situation I created with my blockade against TIOR, I have neither the strenght nor ressources to sumit to this war, until I can be sure Artica is in no danger of invasion.

OOC: This is my response to FSM's attacks on my sat's in the Joint CAD space program thread, but since were now at war I'll post it here.

Two rod carriers had been torched by the unexpected and unprovoked laser pulse, the final carrier was more fortunate, a last minute attitude adjustion had caused the laser to miss wide and only take out the right solar panel. This however, made it impossible for the sat to re-charge its batteries. In a few hours it would be dead. Triangulation of the pulse had created a regression line right into FSM. Now that they knew who the aggressor was it was time to act.

The Wirrawayan high command was faced with a tough decision, either allow the carrier to die and wait for further news, or use it while it was still operational. They opted for the latter. The Nuclear launch platform, which was in stationary orbit over Wirraway and had therefore not been hit was activated, but the High Command did not anticipate nuclear war, unless of course, FSM fired first. Orders were beamed to the carrier to launch its attack.

High above FSM the carrier made a few final adjustments before releasing its 30 rods, at the same time it received orders to de-orbit its-self. The path it would follow, although unknown to it, was going to take it straight into FSM. But it would arrive a lot later the than the rods, which were now burning white-hot as they entered the atmosphere at over 12,000 feet per second. Their fins deployed and the tiny guidance computers in their nose-cones made minute adjustments, reconciling their courses with the up-loaded flight path by using GPS data. The GPS made it possible for the rods to hit within 25 meters of their intended target.

At least 3 rods had been targeted at each major FSM city with the remainder being assigned to military installations. The rods slammed into their targets a mere 7 minutes after being released. The massive amounts of kinetic energy stored in each rod created a huge explosion and shockwave. The craters were enormous.

At the same time Wirrawayan F-22 armed with ASAT missiles made ready to take down any FSM carriers which strayed over Wirraway. The J-STARS 747 laser carrier was also put on alert and was ready to deploy its satellite-killing laser at a moments notice.

Wirraway was prepared for an escalation, should FSM decide to retaliate, but Wirraway was ready and if it came to all out war FSM would be wiped from the face of the earth.

OOC: What the crap? You waited until now? We were already having peace talks and then now, you respond to the attack? Why wasn't I allowed to respond to the sats entering my airspace (Doomingsland said I couldn't), but Wirraway could respond to my attack? There's at least 4 of you, and I had to read each of your posts. Of course I need more time to respond. You guys have 4 guys watching just my posts. You don't need as much time to respond. You can't have it both ways.

Choose 1 of the following:

A. Allow me to RP firing upon your satellites that try to enter my airspace.This will probably result in their destruction, meaning Wirraway's post doesn't exist.
B. Procceed with dropping the rods. I will ignore, we will start flaming.
C. Proceed with dropping the rods. I will launch several nukes in retaliation, and we will start flaming.

Choose one and only one.

OOC: This is my response to FSM's attacks on my sat's in the Joint CAD space program thread, but since were now at war I'll post it here.

OOC: Why not read the posts first? Do the words, SECRET IC mean anything to you? Way to go genius!

OOC:You did respond to his sats entering your space, if I remember correctly, and I thought we agreed you have no IS-IIs left.

OOC:You did respond to his sats entering your space, if I remember correctly, and I thought we agreed you have no IS-IIs left.

OOC: And? Did you not see at the bottom, it says, "Will RP more later." Then the discussion of peace came up, so either, that closes the door for Wirraway's attack. So what if I have no IS-II's? Why wouldn't I be able to take down the satellites?

I want Wirraway to choose. Otherwise, I ignore that Joint CAD space thread, meaning, I get all of my satellites back, and everyone in the CAD loses all of their satellites and the peace agreements are null. So he should not refuse.

OOC:If you ignore that thread, I'll simply ignore your IS-IIs.

OOC:If you ignore that thread, I'll simply ignore your IS-IIs.

OOC: On what grounds? I rp'd the IS-II's fair and square, in a seperate thread. I guess I over reacted, but still, if he doesn't pick one, then I'm going to ignore the fact that they are over my territory. And I want a map of Ruthless Slaughter. And Borman Empire.

OOC:Borman's located in some eastern european country, can't remember which one, and RS isn't gonna be on for the whole weekend.

OOC: Okay first off JA, shut your face, this is from the Joint CAD space program which was not Secret IC, and since the name of this thread is war on CAD I would assume that I could post my response to an attack on me and therefore CAD from FSM. Its also posted in the space thread so if you want I'll just continue my attacks there.

Now FSM. You RP'd an attack on my sats, meaning you responded to them entering your airspace, which is an absurd propositon anyway. Does every country fire on satelites which happen to pass over its country in space? Even during the cold war, American and Russian sat's routinly flew over each other's territory for decades without one being shot down. Nobody can claim space. but thats besides the point.

The point is that I don't see what I did wrong. You attacked my sats and destroyed 2 out of 3, then I responded, what else did you want to happen? Just becuase I didn't have to the time to respond right away doesn't mean I'm not going to repsond at all. Now respond to my attack on your nation. This doesn't need to de-generate into flaming, hell I have no sat's left over your nation now.

((OOC: Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you people? All these threads just dissolve into pointless bickering that doesn't get us anywjhere. Maybe we should all just ignore each other. Seems the easier course.))

Secret Imperial Communique from the Flagship Revolver

Doomingsland this is the Task Force: Falcon and Task Force: Master. We have come from Knight Phalanxia and Fortress Royal. Asking permission to begin landing procedures. After Landing Procedures we are prepared to recieve your orders.

Knight Warlord Ryoko
151st Royal Artillery

((OOC: Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you people? All these threads just dissolve into pointless bickering that doesn't get us anywjhere. Maybe we should all just ignore each other. Seems the easier course.))

OOC: I could not agree more.

OOC: This will be interesting....

TAG

OOC: Okay first off JA, shut your face, this is from the Joint CAD space program which was not Secret IC, and since the name of this thread is war on CAD I would assume that I could post my response to an attack on me and therefore CAD from FSM. Its also posted in the space thread so if you want I'll just continue my attacks there.


OOC: Shut your face, hahaha, when I hear that, I picture you as a friggin valley girl. "Like, OMG, oh no he didn't! Shut your face!" Hahahaha.

If this is for Joint CAD Space thread, POST IT THERE! Not here! Get some common sense.

OOC:Well, are you gonna start a war or not? You're killing me here!

OOC: Shut your face, hahaha, when I hear that, I picture you as a friggin valley girl. "Like, OMG, oh no he didn't! Shut your face!" Hahahaha.

If this is for Joint CAD Space thread, POST IT THERE! Not here! Get some common sense.

OOC:Uhhh, whatever JA, go humour youself with your amazing wit. Onto a more important matter if this is the war on CAD thread and FSM has just basically declared war on me and by extension CAD wouldn't it make sense to move the post to the WAR thread? Come on, do us all a favor and think a little JA.

FSM, I should have a new map in a little while. (Note: I will be gone all of tommorow and the beginning of sunday)

I am located in Balkans, a little north, and Italy.

I had sats up before the CAD thread, so if you do ignore it I will still have some.

http://img39.exs.cx/img39/8315/nSmAp.jpg

Red-Me
Blue-Generic Empire
Green-Nikolaos The Great
Purple-Under my influence

http://img39.exs.cx/img39/8315/nSmAp.jpg

Red-Me
Blue-Generic Empire
Green-Nikolaos The Great
Purple-Under my influence

Can you put me in the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg or should I just create my own new map?

BTW good map.

What is the CAD?

Permission Acknowledged, Doomingsland. We have reached the beach and are setting up now. Task Force: Master's ground component is in reserve and is pulling inward. "Get a move on, you lazy bitches!" yelled the beachmaster. Two massive self propelled guns bogged down and four humvees were trying to pull it out. Comm drones began to fly off of the Carrier: Katrin. Machine Gun companies began to march forward after assembling off the landers. Battalion after battalion began. A flare filled the air, the Seabees were finished. Shells were laid and a trumpet sound filled the air. What was a mass of marching, machinery and chaos, stilled to an empty beach. All was silent. The grinding of big gun turrets, patrol tanks, and comm drones were all that was heard.

Sitting in his Task Force HQ bunker, Knight Warlord Ryoko and his staff were radioing and shuffling papers. His Forward Observer thought about Normandy as he scanned the coast. "This is really good juice! Who made this?" said Ryoko in ecstacy.

Naval Knight Commandant Orville steadied his hand as he looked onto the horizon. "Move Portside and begin patrol, All ships echo status, wolf packs 2-5, fire on confirmation."

[OOC - *rolls eyes* I come to your aid, and this is what I get... GE is right...]

Air Knight Commandant Michel began to land on the newly constructed airbase made by the Seabees. "I almost hit one of those fucking Comm Drones again!" yelled Michel "Somebody needs to kick the fuck out of the Comm Officer"

Sergeant First Class Gibral looked over the beach with an eagle eye. His Sniper platoon lost its officer on the way over when the Lt. went crazy. So being the elite soldier Gibral shot him and dumped his body in the ocean. "What a waste. Hey at least I got .50 Desert Eagle" Gibral said with a smile as his standard issue 50 cal. sniper rifle beeped. "Shit another fucking vid. I should turn that shit off!"

Staff Sergeant Mallard handed out the water as his squad moved into the one of many bunker complexes. "Damn...Hey guys we're living with 4rth Platoon grunts!" A bunch of laughs went out and they started setting up 50 cal machine guns inside and the new Trident missle systems outside.

"Okay Malack, take over. I'm going to bed." yawned Ryoko. "Yes, Warlord!" saluted Malack. A trumpet sounded a call and the imperial crest flag of the commanding officer went down off the flagpole and the Blue Star flag of the Deputy commanding officer went up.

OOC: Alright I'm going to bed I won't be on till late so I'll sign on later.

OOC: You have my support Doomingsland, Im simply waiting for half this thread to grow up, if I'm going to bother getting involved. :)

IC:

The Guilds gives it's full support to Doomingsland, and would be willing to contribute forces to Doomingsland defence.

Can you put me in the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg or should I just create my own new map?

BTW good map.
SUre, No Problem. But Ill have to do it on sunday.

OOC: What the crap? This hasn't even started yet, don't post Knight Phalanxia.

OOC: Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you people? All these threads just dissolve into pointless bickering that doesn't get us anywjhere. Maybe we should all just ignore each other. Seems the easier course.))

Because they break the rules of RPing all the time.

FSM, I should have a new map in a little while. (Note: I will be gone all of tommorow and the beginning of sunday)

I am located in Balkans, a little north, and Italy.

I had sats up before the CAD thread, so if you do ignore it I will still have some.

OOC: Wait, I thought CAD is in Australia? Then how do you get your troops there so fast?

OOC:Uhhh, whatever JA, go humour youself with your amazing wit. Onto a more important matter if this is the war on CAD thread and FSM has just basically declared war on me and by extension CAD wouldn't it make sense to move the post to the WAR thread? Come on, do us all a favor and think a little JA.

I'll answer for him. THIS THREAD HASN'T GONE IC YET! THE WAR HASN'T EVEN STARTED! Why don't YOU think a little before you do something?

In anycase, I have to leave now, highschool homecoming is today.

This thread has been official tagged by the official thread tagging association of Praetonia.

OOC:FSM, the CAD is technically an organization, so our countries are located all over, although some happen to be on the same continent.

OOC:So when do you plan on invading?

I'll answer for him. THIS THREAD HASN'T GONE IC YET! THE WAR HASN'T EVEN STARTED! Why don't YOU think a little before you do something?

OOC:Okay, okay, okay. My bad about the whole thing, just disregard my post until you decide to invade and we'll pick up form there.

OMG! I thought there was a war going on here. Someone needs to get this shit under control

OMG! I thought there was a war going on here. Someone needs to get this shit under control

OOC: There is a war of words :D

*tag* Once again, FSM you started this, can we have some action please.

OOC:You'll have a tough time going around him, trust me, and you taking him over will most likely screw you up even worse with all of the resources and men you'd waste. I don't really rely too much on trade, I can produce all of the materials and such my people need, most of the stuff I export are TVs and crap like that. Plus I have people right across the boarder I'll be trading with, this won't be so easy as you think, trust me. You haven't even scratched the surface of the hell you'll be going through.

OOC: I would be more worried about you. Let's quote Clan Smoke Jaguar, in his "Economies, Militaries, and Invasions- More things to know" thread.

Now do note that large armies and high military spending will have an adverse effect on your economy. If you have over, say, 2% of your population in your military, you will have to RP an economy a rank or two below where the game says you are. Similarly, you will have to do the same thing if you claim an extreme military spending, like over 8-10% of your GDP (consider that the top three military spenders have Basket Case, Fragile, and Imploded economies). Naturally, these are cumulative, so if you have over 2% military and 10%+ spending, you will suffer a drop of at least 2-5 ranks. Naturally, the greater difference in ranks means that those on the higher end will drop fewer ranks, while those with lower economies will drop further. That is because there’s a greater difference between ranks higher up, so the same drop in GDP takes less of a level drop to show. For those who like number crunching,
This means that if you want something utterly extreme like North Korea, you will need something like a Good or Strong economy, and you will have to RP a Basket Case or Imploded one to show the effects. You will also run your country into the ground after a rather short period of time, and if you disband that huge army and focus on getting your economy back on track, it will take you weeks, if not months (RL), to get back up to where you should be. North Korea’s economy is so far gone that it will take decades of reform to get them up to where they could have been.
For those of you who like to be number crunchers, I would suggest maybe a drop of 10-20% of your possible economy if you go slightly over the listed limits. A North Korea would expect a 90-95% drop (yes, that’s how bad it is for them). As you might be able to see, that can seriously cut into your nation's coffers if you're not careful.

OUCH.

In other news:

FSM will make his post either tonight or tommorow.


OOC:Okay, okay, okay. My bad about the whole thing, just disregard my post until you decide to invade and we'll pick up form there.

Thanks for understanding. Sorry for getting a little carried away, it's just that I needed to yell, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the point through.

OOC:Errr, your point? My military's only about .5% of my population.

EDIT-And my military budget is no where near 10% of my GDP, I don't tax my people as much, so naturaly, I can't spend as much on it as I'd like.

OOC:Errr, your point? My military's only about .5% of my population.

OOC: And? The Soviet Union had a low percentage, but it's extreme military budget hurt it's economy.

EDIT-And my military budget is no where near 10% of my GDP, I don't tax my people as much, so naturaly, I can't spend as much on it as I'd like.
OOC:Errhrrm.

Red-Me
Blue-Generic Empire
Green-Nikolaos The Great
Black-Wirraway
Purple-Under my influence

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/7306/nSmAp1.jpg

Red-Me
Blue-Generic Empire
Green-Nikolaos The Great
Black-Wirraway
Purple-Under my influence

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/7306/nSmAp1.jpg

Thanks Borman, looks great.

your welcome

OOC: Tag

Secret IC Communique
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To: Japanese Antarctica
From: The Voltarum
Re: FSM

As we have done in the past, we stand by you and offer assistance in the matter stated above. While we cannot guarrantee full involvement, Admiral K. has already begun puting our navy on highest alert. We await further information and direction.

For Antarctica,
Premier X.
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bump

True!

OOC: Is anything going to happen bar OOC banter?

In all honesty, you'd screw yourself over trying to invade me. As for the map, I've never needed one, so whipping up one may take a while. I'll see what I can do.

OOC: Ruthless slaughter is...well look at his name. I doubt anything can get past him without him wanting it to.

OOC: Ruthless slaughter is...well look at his name. I doubt anything can get past him without him wanting it to.

OOC: How about not spamming?

FSM will make his post when he is done with his homework.

BTW, please list all the satellites that you have up there. My country is kinda paranoid :p

edit: the above was addressed to all of those in joint cad space program

OOC:Well, I have five kill vehicle/steel dart sats(you know about those from when I blew up an IS-II), two tungsten rod platforms(that's OOC), and three laser sats(that's OOC). I haven't checked on your space program lately, have you armed your sats yet?(OOCly, of cource)

EDIT-Bah, why don't you list your sats so we can be fair, and have a reference.

OOC: Not spamming, I was just commenting on RS.

I didnt say anythig about FSM's attack.

I REALLY dont like you.

Sats coming soon.

OOC:Well, I have five kill vehicle/steel dart sats(you know about those from when I blew up an IS-II), two tungsten rod platforms(that's OOC), and three laser sats(that's OOC). I haven't checked on your space program lately, have you armed your sats yet?(OOCly, of cource)

OOC: No, that would go against the treaty. Oh wait, it wasn't signed yet. I'll get to arming them later.

FSM just told me he can't post mobilization until all the required maps and numbers are posted.

In the mean time...

OOC: Not spamming, I was just commenting on RS.

I didnt say anythig about FSM's attack.

I REALLY dont like you.

Sats coming soon.

Wait, what does his name have to do with declaring war? "Ooh, the United States, just look at their name, they're united!" We don't need any more posts to clutter up this thread.

Aww, you don't like me. I'm really crushed. After all, the reason I'm here is to try to capture your affection, right?

As for weapon satellites, I believe I said I have two rod carrying satellites, unarmed, until the treaty is rejected. (not exactly sure about the number, will check my thread).

Moving right along...

EDIT-And my military budget is no where near 10% of my GDP, I don't tax my people as much, so naturaly, I can't spend as much on it as I'd like.

The problem was, the post was written during the time of pipian gdp calc. Therefore, budgets were taken directly from the gdp, and consumption was included. Thirdgeek includes consumption, therefore, we must take the percentage from the money alloted to running the country. Therefore, you are using 36% for defense, 48% for law and order. So if you think about it 84% of your government's budget goes toward arming men with weapons and training (i guess you can take away a few percentage points because law and order also includes court systems though). That leaves 16% to paying for health, education etc. And I thought my numbers were extreme.
In reference to CSJ's post, he mentioned North Korea and extreme military spending. Did you RP rebuilding your economy after spending a ton of money in just 2 NS years during the Soviet Expanse wars ?(2 years is the timeline I had figured out, there weren't too many battles to warrant an increase). I did actually, by taking a 1 month break from declaring war, having military operations, taking away the space program, not purchasing upgrades, etc. When I came back after that one month, you had over a thousand posts. I know bumping threads could account for a hundred ( :) ) but 1000? That is why I am assuming you continued military action ( I will verify after typing this post).
Now let's take into consideration your low currency value. Your nation has lower buying power. So your doom dollar is worth 60.15% of a USD, while my currency is worth 176.78% the value of the USD. Our unemployment rates are pretty average, so I won't go into that (although mine is lower :p ). Both of our governments waste a ton of money, which is not a good thing, but there's no need to go into the effects of that, as it's pretty self explanatory. I don't know much about Trade deficit/surplus, but I'll share what I know. Normally, deficits aren't a bad thing, but extremely high deficits means lots of foreign money is being invested into your country (most likely Shenyang, as he's making millions in a surplus). Also, trade surpluses are not always good (Extremely high surplus means high unemployment), but a small one isn't bad news, and if you're in the manufacturing biz, it's good since you're exporting more than you are importing (I am in automobile manufacturing so a surplus is a good thing).
To sum it all up, I'm stating that I can run a more effective campaign than you can, from a financial point of view. This means I'm going to want to see logistics numbers, so I can see if you're government can afford it.
I tried to make this post mostly undeniable facts, so that you can't argue against it, so please, no one start flaming.

OOC: lol, they're united. If it were not for what followed I would have thought more of you.

I am going to have to say roughly:
3 Nuclear launch platforms
6 Tungsten launchers
10 Defensive satellites

THis may be far off or pretty close. I will look through my posts to see.

FSM asked me to ask you guys if you'd like to agree to not use satellite based offensive weapons. He says they are equivalent to launching nukes. He said, if you don't agree, he'll go ahead and launch some of his own platforms and defensive sats.

Personally, I'm all for it (these weapons have never been used in real life, so it's pretty much assumptions, I just read that globalsecurity and the RAND corporation said that the rods would probably vaporize in the atmosphere before hitting the ground, making the weapon ineffective.), but if you guys want to use them, I'll go ahead and mount my weapons really soon.

OOC:No, I don't really need to spend on healthcare, just look at how the UK's doing with that. My dollar is acualy worth only slightly less than your's if you take a look at thirdgeek. Yeah, it most likely is Shenyang, as he boarders me. With all of the crap I put in the military. To sum it all up, with your trading power and crap like that, and the sheer amount of money I dump into the military, I'd say we'd be about even on who could run the better campaign. Plus it'll be a real pain in the ass to disrupt trade with me and Shenyang(underground tunnels going across our borders make for some pretty effecient trade, especialy when there's a war going on)

OOC:No, I don't really need to spend on healthcare, just look at how the UK's doing with that. My dollar is acualy worth only slightly less than your's if you take a look at thirdgeek. Yeah, it most likely is Shenyang, as he boarders me. With all of the crap I put in the military. To sum it all up, with your trading power and crap like that, and the sheer amount of money I dump into the military, I'd say we'd be about even on who could run the better campaign. Plus it'll be a real pain in the ass to disrupt trade with me and Shenyang(underground tunnels going across our borders make for some pretty effecient trade, especialy when there's a war going on)

OOC: Slightly less? I think not! It takes 1.6625 of your currency to equal 1 USD (therefore, the value of your currency is less than one dollar), but it takes 1.7678 USD to equal just one of my currency (therfore, the value of my currency is worth more than the dollar). Your currency doesn't come close to mine, I'm afraid. There's still some stuff you haven't addressed in my previous post. Please reread, and I'll go eat dinner.

OOC: I won't use them on you guys. But I will keep them up for other people.

OOC:No, you reread,

1 dollar = $1.6625 USD

You had it backwards. My currency is called the dollar.

OOC:No, you reread,



You had it backwards. My currency is called the dollar.

OOC: Argh, my bad, it was confusing because both currencies are dollars. However, you still haven't touched some of the points I made. Please read again.

OOC: I won't use my space based weapons if JA and FSM promise not to use theirs, but I'll post the ones I have, just in case it becomes neccesary.

-1 Nuclear Launch Platform
-3 Tungsten Rod carriers

My borders are secure and I am in no more threat from TIOR or her allies. Thank god the war hasn't started yet. I'm in this fully. And like Doom said, we are an organization, were all over. I am in Antartica, right next to JA so it makes it good for me. If I remember JA, you were just a couple islands by Antartica right? That's how one of your maps for the Vladimir wars was.

So when does the actual war start?

I think When we reach an agreement on the space thing.

OOC: Um, imperial, how are you "in" antarctica when your nation is in the CAD? Or do you mean "right next to JA" in another way? I am ignorant of this situation, to tell the truth. Please specify.

Anyway, antarctica has a map... unless JA does not recognize it... let me know JA =)

Voltarum <-- as a teacher, I believe FSM has too much homework lol

OOC: Um, imperial, how are you "in" antarctica when your nation is in the CAD? Or do you mean "right next to JA" in another way? I am ignorant of this situation, to tell the truth. Please specify.

Anyway, antarctica has a map... unless JA does not recognize it... let me know JA =)

Voltarum <-- as a teacher, I believe FSM has too much homework lol

I don't mean region I am in, CAD is just an organization. My country is based in antartica and before when JA was a new nation he said his place was centered on a few islands near antartica.

OOC:
Phew, for a minute you meant AntarCtica, where we are. Now that I know you are in antartica, I feel much better.

Voltarum <-- ....

OOC: Um, imperial, how are you "in" antarctica when your nation is in the CAD? Or do you mean "right next to JA" in another way? I am ignorant of this situation, to tell the truth. Please specify.

Anyway, antarctica has a map... unless JA does not recognize it... let me know JA =)

Voltarum <-- as a teacher, I believe FSM has too much homework lol

I don't recognize Imperial Articas being anywhere near me. We already have a map. The CAD can't be an organization. When the CAD was founded, the feature was for a region, not an organization. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does it not say "Create Region" not "Create Organization" ? If you are all in the same region, you should all be relatively close. Otherwise, you aren't really in the same region after all.

OOC:
Phew, for a minute you meant AntarCtica, where we are. Now that I know you are in antartica, I feel much better.

Voltarum <-- ....

OOC: I don't have too much homework, I'm just waiting for the maps and all. Doomingsland, exactly where in the world are you? Australia right? Which part?

OOC:Well, to tell you the truth, I'm not totaly sure. I RP being in the general area of Australia, but a different continent with different countries. If you look at the map I provided opn page one, you can pretty much get an idea of what it's like.

OOC:Well, to tell you the truth, I'm not totaly sure. I RP being in the general area of Australia, but a different continent with different countries. If you look at the map I provided opn page one, you can pretty much get an idea of what it's like.

OOC:

It's kinda hard to tell from the map.

OOC:Meh, I'll try and whip up a region map, it'll be kinda crude, though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/Doomingsland/CADroughdraft.bmp

Yes, I know, it most certainly sucks, but what do you expect from something I cooked up in five minutes, Grenval probably has a better idea of what our region's like.

OOC: WHo else do you need a map from?

OOC:I think you should make a seperate thread for when you post the attack, this is too littered with OOC.

OOC: I agree. Otherwise there would be like 10 pages of insults and OOC.

Again, who do you need maps from? I will TG them.

OOC: All of your maps are pretty bad, but it's better than nothing. I'm still waiting for Doomingsland to address the points that JA made. And I want the Imperial Articas situation to clear up.

edit: i'm waiting for Ruthless Slaughter's map.

OOC: Yes, Doomingsland, I posted several paragraphs on financial issues, and I got no real rebuttal.

I believe I addressed all of the issues, but if you would like to point me in the direction of the one's I haven't answered, that'd be great. I finnaly finished making a model of that MBT, and it's pretty cool looking, I'll try to get a [ic up later.

I don't recognize Imperial Articas being anywhere near me. We already have a map. The CAD can't be an organization. When the CAD was founded, the feature was for a region, not an organization. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does it not say "Create Region" not "Create Organization" ? If you are all in the same region, you should all be relatively close. Otherwise, you aren't really in the same region after all.

OOC:

Good, I am glad you said that, cause that was what I was thinking. In case you want to see, this is the offical map of Antarctica.

http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/therealm0/antmap.html

This map is not every country in Antarctica, but only those that are active and post or RP (or that are in the top 20 in population). As you can see, Japanese Antarctica (#7) borders only one other country, which is Turnya. The small yellow bit (#6) is the North Sector Naval Base, an international territory that houses the naval might of a dozen or so landlocked nations of Antarctica. (as well as a third of the massive Voltarum Fleet). The whole Northern shore is patrolled out of the Air Defense Base stationed there. The civilian government is headed by my nation, but the population is limited and travel across the borders is extremely guarded and closed at many times.
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/therealm0/navalbase.html

The territory between JA and I is tentatively under my government's control until another Antarctican Nation claims it. If a map of my nation is needed, I will provide one. There is one on the home site that is listed above, but it is slightly outdated, fuzzy, and does not include any major Military areas. I doubt this is necessary to begin, though.

Voltarum

OOC: Here is a much more detailed map of Wirraway. Its based on Benelux and you can see its relation to its allies in Borman's map. I decided that you might appreciate a more detailed country map for the war.

Map of Wirraway (http://xs.to/pics/04102/Wirraway.bmp )

OOC:Think you can get more deta8iled maps of the individual countries?
P.S. My map's in the works. (I really need a better paint system!)

I don't recognize Imperial Articas being anywhere near me. We already have a map. The CAD can't be an organization. When the CAD was founded, the feature was for a region, not an organization. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does it not say "Create Region" not "Create Organization" ? If you are all in the same region, you should all be relatively close. Otherwise, you aren't really in the same region after all.

JA, regions are pretty much just organizations unless the people in it say otherwise. I mean before CAD was even founded I lived in my own region which I know have a puppet guarding, and that region is based in Antartica. You can't just move an entire country, it's impossible. You could rename another part of land and abandon your old country but I didn't do that. Besides, there are thousands of people having claims in Antartica so it doesn't really matter.

Here's my map, hopefully you guys can read it cause they made it smaller.
http://tinypic.com/eln47

OOC: I can't see a thing.


JA, regions are pretty much just organizations unless the people in it say otherwise. I mean before CAD was even founded I lived in my own region which I know have a puppet guarding, and that region is based in Antartica. You can't just move an entire country, it's impossible. You could rename another part of land and abandon your old country but I didn't do that. Besides, there are thousands of people having claims in Antartica so it doesn't really matter.

OOC: Regions are not organizations. Alliances are organizations. Like I said, I am only recognizing the official Antarctican regional map. On second thought, it would be nice to march into your country and take over as you're extremely weak...

As for Doomingsland, I readdressed the issue of excessive military spending, because we have to consider the fact that a different calculator was used. You spend about 36% on military, which is extremely high. Same goes for Grenval, who spends over 60% on military. I believe it said doing this would cause you to run your country in the ground.

Another question, if you really hate communists, how come you're not after Shenyang? His tax rate is 100%, meaning the government takes everything his people has, and redistributes it(unless he wants his people to starve. If they are starving because he takes all of their money away, this means his population should be much lower, which lowers his GDP, budget, etc.). Hmmmm, taking away property and redistributing it, sounds like communism to me. Whoa! You share a border with him and you're a major trading partner? I thought you didn't support communism! Your citizens may be stupid, but I'm sure they could see the hypocrisy in your government. Hmm, a hypocritical government, rare civil freedoms and zero political freedom? Not a recipe for a happy citizen. Do you have an all volunteer army? Or do you have compulsory service? Their morale must be pretty low either way.

OOC: lol, they're united. If it were not for what followed I would have thought more of you.

Wow. You're pretty dense. I was mocking your post.

OOC: I can't see a thing.



OOC: Regions are not organizations. Alliances are organizations. Like I said, I am only recognizing the official Antarctican regional map. On second thought, it would be nice to march into your country and take over as you're extremely weak...

I said unless they say otherwise, CAD is an organization and we made a region because it makes it easier to talk to each other. Plus I may be weak right now(damn mods, I will never forgive them for deleting me) but I still have great strategy, you wont take me.

I said unless they say otherwise, CAD is an organization and we made a region because it makes it easier to talk to each other. Plus I may be weak right now(damn mods, I will never forgive them for deleting me) but I still have great strategy, you wont take me.

OOC: Strategy? Is this the same one you used in the past war? You were besieged for months, and the only reason your men stayed alive was because you were not RPing the logistics. Or are you talking about that strategy you used when you rushed hundreds of men towards my camp, only to have them mowed down by helicopters, tanks, machineguns and APCs? Great strategy there.

OOC: Strategy? Is this the same one you used in the past war? You were besieged for months, and the only reason your men stayed alive was because you were not RPing the logistics. Or are you talking about that strategy you used when you rushed hundreds of men towards my camp, only to have them mowed down by helicopters, tanks, machineguns and APCs? Great strategy there.

Actually I wasn't besieged for months, the war wasn't even brought to my country, it stayed in the soviet expanse. And what are you talking about? I never rushed hundreds off guys towards your camp and had them killed. :confused:

Actually I wasn't besieged for months, the war wasn't even brought to my country, it stayed in the soviet expanse. And what are you talking about? I never rushed hundreds off guys towards your camp and had them killed. :confused:

Here's me quoting you:

OOC:12058 of the 30000 Artican troops were killed by ur missile barrages.
All artillery guns were destroyed
IC:

"Sir, were taking heavy casualties from their missiles!"
"Tell the men to move in so close to the enemy that firing artillery or missiles would result in the demise of their men to."
"Sir, yes sir!"

As the marines ran to the fortress they sprayed assualt rifle rounds on the coalition defenders.

"We've managed to get into the fort." reports a private.
"Good, now this will go a little better."

The marines run into the fort and start firing on the enemy.

Post losses

OOC: Where are you? If you are near us, we'll fire our anti air's guns at your infantry, meaning catastrophic losses.

We are firing 5 SSC-1a SHADDOCK cruise missiles at the other CAD airbase. It carries 1000 kg of HE. At the airbase, our 50 mm anti air cannons are firing at your infantry.

Post losses, we won't have losses as you're using assault rifles against armored 50 mm cannons. What a mistake it was for you. I'm expecting a large percentage of your men to be taken out

20 T-90's fire their .50 cal machine guns at the enemy.

20 BTR-90 APCs fire their .30 cal machine guns at the enemy infantry. They are attempting to drive around the enemy infantry in order to completely surround them.


OOC: Wow, you're infantry is being owned. I wouldn't be surprised if every single one died.

In accordance with Arctica's ground assault against Japanese Antarctica, Halberdanger forces launched a massive force of 10 Super-Cobra helicopters armed with 3 barrell 2mm gatling guns to aid Japanese Antarctica in pushing back the Arctican forces.


Does that exchange ring a bell?

You were besieged in your city, New Crimsdale. Don't lie.

Summarizing this post in one word: OWNED.

OOC:No, actualy you're wrong JA, you never even got near New Crimsdale, those were posts from Artica's failed amphibious landing at the beaches near the other city. Yeah, I have high military spending so what? No, he's not really a commie, well, I'm not really sure what he is, but he regularly executes commies also. No, my people have been exposed to too much propaganda in their life to question the government, plus there's some cultural aspects involved.

Wow. You're pretty dense. I was mocking your post.

I cant think of a SINGLE person tat I hate more than you.

Wow, your an *******. I was mocking/notcing the hilarity in your post.

I HATE YOU SO MUCH!

OOC:

This is very entertaining and all, but are we going anywhere with this?

Let Artica claim he is in Antarctica and right near us. Fine. If he tries anythign stupid, then he will have fifteen 2 billion+ nations kicking the living crap out of him. I doubt his "great strategy" will help there.

work out the rest of the details and get this going... or let it diiie so I dont have to check it anymore.

Voltarum

I cant think of a SINGLE person tat I hate more than you.

Wow, your an *******. I was mocking/notcing the hilarity in your post.

I HATE YOU SO MUCH!

You sound like Cartman, BE.

Look, if you want OOC war have one. If this gets anywhere TG me Doomingsland.

OOC: Good news, my map is almost done. I'll post it later tonight. (e.g. when I get home from school) :)

I cant think of a SINGLE person tat I hate more than you.

Wow, your an *******. I was mocking/notcing the hilarity in your post.

I HATE YOU SO MUCH!

OOC: Dude. You're not making yourself seem any smarter. Quit while you're not too far behind. You just said you were making fun of yourself.

You've accused me of doing many things, which you have no proof to base your claims on, and you keep telling me you hate me, as if I really care. Keep this up and there will be an ignore waiting for you.

After all of the OOC arguments I've had, there have been none as irrational as you, and that's saying a lot.

OOC:No, actualy you're wrong JA, you never even got near New Crimsdale, those were posts from Artica's failed amphibious landing at the beaches near the other city. Yeah, I have high military spending so what? No, he's not really a commie, well, I'm not really sure what he is, but he regularly executes commies also. No, my people have been exposed to too much propaganda in their life to question the government, plus there's some cultural aspects involved.

No, you're wrong. Nikolaos and I were holding NC under siege. You have high military spending, did you not read CSJ's post? Your people's quality of life will go down, "you will run your country into the ground" etc. etc.
Shenyang is a communist, even if he claims he isn't. Even if your people don't think you are hypocritical, it doesn't do much for your reputation on the international stage. Much worse for Shenyang, executing communists when his leader is communist himself.
About the propoganda, that's good. Keep it up.

I can't wait till this starts.

You sound like Cartman, BE.

Look, if you want OOC war have one. If this gets anywhere TG me Doomingsland.

Lol, i suppose I do. As for me going into an OOC war. You dont need to worry abou that.

Any moron who reads JA's posts can see he insults me in many many posts. As such I am now Ignoring JA OOC. If it were not for my supreme hatred of everything about him, and thus wanting to invade adn kill him, I would ignore him totally.

Lol, i suppose I do. As for me going into an OOC war. You dont need to worry abou that.

Any moron who reads JA's posts can see he insults me in many many posts. As such I am now Ignoring JA OOC. If it were not for my supreme hatred of everything about him, and thus wanting to invade adn kill him, I would ignore him totally.

OOC: Ah, ignoring me because I'm right. Any moron can tell I'm insulting Borman Empire. But any moron can also tell there is reason behind it. When Borman insults/spams/flames, it is either using incorrect information, or without support behind it whatsoever. In conclusion, I'm deciding that it's not worth my time to read his posts anymore, he is now ignored completely.

Please forward my congratulations to Borman Empire, for being the first on my ignore list.

As JA jas ignored me, which is sad becuase I REALLY Wanted to attack him, I guess I will be ignoring himj as well.

"sir."

"What is it now?"

"We have orders to use the IWMD again."

"Are you serious?! Twice in the same day! The gods surely smile on me today!"

The man spun around in his chair and began to type multiple codes into the computer screen.

A computerized voice rang out throughout the bunker.

"Japanese Antartica. Is that right?"

"No"

"Japanese Antarctica. Is that right?"

"Yes."

"Nuclear warhead. Is that right?"

"No."

"What WMD?"

"IWMD."

"I.G.N.O.R.E. Weapon of Mass Destruction. Is that right?"

"Yes."

5...4...3...2...1...Fire

A purple and green ICBM shot out of the shooban silo. Its destination...JA.

Several seconds later it smashed into JA. THe m,an watched on the screen as the force field came up and radioactive fallout erased JA from time. As he watched all things of JA were erased form his mind.

"Destruction/Ignoration of JA complete."

"JA. Who is that? Jim, do you know a JA?"

"No. I know a Japanese People."

"Whatever."

You Have been IGNORED

Sorry, I can't read your post.

Borman Empire
This message is hidden because Borman Empire is on your ignore list.

As JA jas ignored me, which is sad becuase I REALLY Wanted to attack him, I guess I will be ignoring himj as well.

"sir."

"What is it now?"

"We have orders to use the IWMD again."

"Are you serious?! Twice in the same day! The gods surely smile on me today!"

The man spun around in his chair and began to type multiple codes into the computer screen.

A computerized voice rang out throughout the bunker.

"Japanese Antartica. Is that right?"

"No"

"Japanese Antarctica. Is that right?"

"Yes."

"Nuclear warhead. Is that right?"

"No."

"What WMD?"

"IWMD."

"I.G.N.O.R.E. Weapon of Mass Destruction. Is that right?"

"Yes."

5...4...3...2...1...Fire

A purple and green ICBM shot out of the shooban silo. Its destination...JA.

Several seconds later it smashed into JA. THe m,an watched on the screen as the force field came up and radioactive fallout erased JA from time. As he watched all things of JA were erased form his mind.

"Destruction/Ignoration of JA complete."

"JA. Who is that? Jim, do you know a JA?"

"No. I know a Japanese People."

"Whatever."

You Have been IGNORED


OOC: Wow. You just proved him correct that you are indeed immature. You mixed IC and OOC again. There were no IC events that triggered your IC ignore on JA. Way to go genius. Ignoration isn't even a word. The worst part is, you didn't even include a funny picture, and the RPing was horrible.

OOC: Wow. You just proved him correct that you are indeed immature. You mixed IC and OOC again. There were no IC events that triggered your IC ignore on JA. Way to go genius. Ignoration isn't even a word. The worst part is, you didn't even include a funny picture, and the RPing was horrible.

Mix IC and OOC? Do you mean I forgot to put (IC:) and (OOC:)?

I think if he ignore me it wouldn't matter what I did to him. Whether it be invading, launching WMD, or ignoring. And I don't see and IC reason he ignored me.

I know, I am a genius.

I know its not. But who says my comp systems cant say what they want and if it isn't a word in my country?

A funny picture, I like that. Ill look for one.

I beg to differ.

Mix IC and OOC? Do you mean I forgot to put (IC:) and (OOC:)?

I think if he ignore me it wouldn't matter what I did to him. Whether it be invading, launching WMD, or ignoring. And I don't see and IC reason he ignored me.

I know, I am a genius.

I know its not. But who says my comp systems cant say what they want and if it isn't a word in my country?

A funny picture, I like that. Ill look for one.

I beg to differ.

OOC: I give up. You are really dense, I'll leave it at that. I can hardly understand what you are trying to say anyway. I won't even touch this one.

We, Rainbow Summit, are in favour of Defending you
We will offer air and sea support if we are granted permission....

We, Rainbow Summit, are in favour of Defending you
We will offer air and sea support if we are granted permission....

OOC: Slow down there junior. Read the stickies before you get involved in International Incidents. Who are you talking to anyway?

OOC: Okay JA, this is it. You start a "War on CAD" thread and then you and FSM proceed to fill it with OOC flaming and arguments. Is there gonna be a damm war or not, I mean the last IC post was mine and its like 3 pages back.

If your not going to make your move against CAD I fear that I will be forced to act pre-emptivly. The actions against my sats by FSM are more than a good enough pretext for a war against you as you seem to be allied with him at the moment. Now hurry up and fight before I bring it to you or just stop looking at this thread all together

OOC:

*sits in corner humming jepordey tune*

"Wha- are you still here?"

Unless you plan on invading RS as your first move, can we at least get an IC post in? And I'd like some maps of you guys.

FSM, Incase you are interested, here is what I thought you would say.

Wow, he proved you wrong. JA why dont you unignore him seeing as we are going to war soon. You can easily beat the pulp out of him and I think that would feel good.

Rainbow Summit, the war hasn't started yet. If you want to help you will just hav to sit and wait till all of this OOC argument dries up and the war starts.

lol ignoration lol
Im bored...

IC:
USS Revolution, Flagship, 1st Voltarum Fleet, Somewhere off the coast of the North Sector Naval Base.

"Another hit sir. The Valiant is now sunk. Hyperion and Monitor are responding and attempting to flank the enemy vessel. The Titan also reports heavy damage...all her fighters are destroyed."

Admiral Kathon looked on with mild interest. This was getting tiresome. He watched the computer screen as the ensign droned on.

"Sir, Titan reports 3 enemy submarines are attempting to run the eastern arm of the blockade... Titan is now dead in the water... Voltarum Subs responding... direct hit. 2 Enemy subs destroyed..."

A very loud booming sound came over the loud speaker. A computerized voice announced the following:
"Simulation War Game 13, 4th Fleet, Ended.
Elapsed Time: 3hr, 42 min.
Result: Blockade Broken by enemy submarine at coordinates 12 mark 41. Damage Results:
Enemy Fleet - 2 Carriers, 8 Destroyers, 5 battleships, 12 cruisers, 10 Submarines Destroyed. 2 Cruisers, 2 Destroyers, One submarine survived.
4th Fleet - Carrier Valiant destroyed. Carrier Titan incapacitated. Destroyer Merrimac destroyed. Submarines Killkirk, Jathon, Pollack destroyed. Rest of fleet, minor damage.
End Audio Summary."

The admiral sighed to himself. 5 Days ago, the government had ordered him to mobilize the 7 fleets and get them prepared, maybe a war game or two. Kathon had no problem with preparation, but the monotony of the situation was grating on him. Still, his people have proven themselves in the simulations - this was the first time an enemy had broken through a simulated blockade, and the 4th Fleet was the weakest arm of the Voltarum's Navy. He just wished that he could know what was going on...

The Great Hall, Ohm, The Voltarum
"So have you heard anything else about what this 'situation' could be."
"No. And frankly, its worrying me. Normally I don't concern myself with off continent affairs, but if a situation does occur, we must give some aid. There is nothing but hostility and hatred involved here."
"A wise man once said what lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."
"Indeed. The Voltaru will be victorious, no matter what the future holds."

lol ignoration lol

OOC: Yeah, its awesome.

Cool post. I got a question. I am not clear on war games. Does that mean like battleship on the computer, or your fleet acts it out.

both. War Games are simulated attacks/hits/misses on computer but acted out by crews on board the ships. Decisions are made by real people, but situation is determined by computer.

or something. =)

Voltarum

OOC: Oh. Thanks.

OOC: Okay JA, this is it. You start a "War on CAD" thread and then you and FSM proceed to fill it with OOC flaming and arguments. Is there gonna be a damm war or not, I mean the last IC post was mine and its like 3 pages back.

If your not going to make your move against CAD I fear that I will be forced to act pre-emptivly. The actions against my sats by FSM are more than a good enough pretext for a war against you as you seem to be allied with him at the moment. Now hurry up and fight before I bring it to you or just stop looking at this thread all together

OOC: For one, I didn't start this thread. And this wouldn't be necessary if some of your allies were better accountants. Having OOC arguments before the war is always better than arguing in the actual war thread, which is why I brought up the points I was not clear about sooner, rather than later. Understand?

I don't decide when the war starts, that's FSM's job. And I think he's waiting for Ruthless Slaughter's map.

Doom: I have a map ready, going to upload it when I get home from school. It only took me 5 minutes and it's infinitely better than all of your maps combined because I am 0MG t3h b3st :p

OOC: I would like to see a map of FSM.

FSM, Incase you are interested, here is what I thought you would say.

OOC:

Dude. Grow a brain.


As for ignoration, who cares if it is a word in your country. We speak Russian in my country. But do I RP in russian? No. We are using English. And when I say English, I mean understandable English. Not the garbled mess that you churn up and spit out of your mouth. I'm taking JA's lead and no longer RP with you.

OOC: In the meantime, here is my map.

http://kryogenix.xangans.com/nationstates/map.jpg

OOC:Meh, I like my map better. I talked with RS about an hour ago, and he says he finished the map, but was having trouble with photobucket, but it should be up soon, turns out he didn't make an acount.

When war breaks out, Roach-Busters will back CAD (sorry, JA, but CAD and I go way back).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/Doomingsland/Doomingsland2.bmp

Quite good!

OOC: In the meantime, here is my map.

http://kryogenix.xangans.com/nationstates/map.jpg

Nice map. :)

Though Roach-Busters has always enjoyed cordial relations with Japanese Antarctica, the fine nations of CAD have proven to be tried-and-true, staunch, unwavering allies who have helped us many times in the past during our darkest hours and times of need. We cannot call ourselves their friends unless we were willing to do the same. Thus, the Roach-Busterian Congress issues a declaration of war against the nations of Japanese Antarctica and Former Soviet Mafia.

-President J.L.
OOC:It's not IC yet, edit.

bump

bump

Also, I redid my map. If you need more info, let me know.

http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/therealm0/vmap.html

Sorry i am too lazy to get a palce to host it lol just click the link, lazy =)

Voltarum

Im in the process of getting my map up so dont worry

Here we go...

http://xs.to/pics/04106/jipleastan_map.bmp

Here we go...

http://xs.to/pics/04106/jipleastan_map.bmp

Cool map. :)

OOC:

Dude. Grow a brain.


As for ignoration, who cares if it is a word in your country. We speak Russian in my country. But do I RP in russian? No. We are using English. And when I say English, I mean understandable English. Not the garbled mess that you churn up and spit out of your mouth. I'm taking JA's lead and no longer RP with you.

OOC: I just wrote a brilliant flame. But I will not post it. Instead I will say this.

You grow a brain dumbass, you know naught what you have lost.

To any and all CAD members, sorry but these shitbags have no sense of reasoning. As such I will no be able to give help. If there is anything that I CAN do to help you rape these ass-holes; just TG me.

Just so you all know...

-The Yellow strips are the only landable places in my country
- Small, Medium, and LArge red squares indicate military bases
- Green stuf indicates my extensive Anit-Air/Missle/Ship/Armor/everything else defenses
-obviously the grey dots are cities

- recall that RS is off my coast as well
- Doomingsland to my north, Zemax to my west....

My nation is a good bit desert, though the green patches are oasis, and the green patcht area is semi-desert

Does that exchange ring a bell?

You were besieged in your city, New Crimsdale. Don't lie.

Summarizing this post in one word: OWNED.

1.How the hell did you get quotes from the Vladimir wars? I have been looking for a way to view that thread for months. 2.Like Doomingsland said, you didn't even get close to New Crimsdale and my troops didn't spend much time in there anyways. As for my amphibious assualt I admit it was kinda a waste because I didn't know how many AA guns you had. Besides, CAD air forces didn't come in time to attack, which I shoulda told them to do since you were using AA guns against ground troops leaving you open for air strikes.
3.As I can see it's going to be really confusing having most of us in Antartica and since I'm still trying to rebuild my nation, how bout we say I'm on a different island than most members of CAD but it's close to the other islands, and that it is the same shape and size as Antartica. How's that for this RP?

New Map. Hopefully it's bigger.
http://xs.to/pics/04100/newmapofimperialarticas.bmp

bump

(C'mon and start the war already, FSM, my army is thirsty for blood [not literally])

[OOC - This looks like it is still OOC, if that is true, let me in, I can kick some ass!]

[y'all need to watch the flames in here mmkay?]

1.How the hell did you get quotes from the Vladimir wars? I have been looking for a way to view that thread for months. 2.Like Doomingsland said, you didn't even get close to New Crimsdale and my troops didn't spend much time in there anyways. As for my amphibious assualt I admit it was kinda a waste because I didn't know how many AA guns you had. Besides, CAD air forces didn't come in time to attack, which I shoulda told them to do since you were using AA guns against ground troops leaving you open for air strikes.
3.As I can see it's going to be really confusing having most of us in Antartica and since I'm still trying to rebuild my nation, how bout we say I'm on a different island than most members of CAD but it's close to the other islands, and that it is the same shape and size as Antartica. How's that for this RP?

the same size as antarctica? i dont think so. Same shape, sure, but your country cannot be the size of the whole continent of antarctica. lol

Voltarum

As soon as this goes in-character you can expect me to begin posting, as for a map, I don't have anyway to make one so it won't matter, just look at a map of C A D. For that matter my nation's climate is just totally bizarre. For example on the border with Doomingsland its one big desert, (1/6 of my nation) NW of the desert is a chain of rainforest covered mountains, (1/6 of my nation) Lastly the rest of my nation is one big tundra. (2/3 of my nation)
Use common sense here please, don't say anything about the rainforest butting up th the tundra because there is a decent size divide between all the ajoining zones. Thank you for not harassing me about the climate of Shenyang.

the same size as antarctica? i dont think so. Same shape, sure, but your country cannot be the size of the whole continent of antarctica. lol

Voltarum

Ok, fine, same shape, but around the same size as australia. How bout that? Cause I have several big cities, the ones on my map are just the major ones.

1.How the hell did you get quotes from the Vladimir wars? I have been looking for a way to view that thread for months. 2.Like Doomingsland said, you didn't even get close to New Crimsdale and my troops didn't spend much time in there anyways. As for my amphibious assualt I admit it was kinda a waste because I didn't know how many AA guns you had. Besides, CAD air forces didn't come in time to attack, which I shoulda told them to do since you were using AA guns against ground troops leaving you open for air strikes.
3.As I can see it's going to be really confusing having most of us in Antartica and since I'm still trying to rebuild my nation, how bout we say I'm on a different island than most members of CAD but it's close to the other islands, and that it is the same shape and size as Antartica. How's that for this RP?

1. It's called the search feature.
2. Yes we did.
3. How about no?

Doomingsland has yet to address the points I made about economics, and Shenyang should address the whole communism deal.

I've decided, if you guys won't RP the negative effects of your decisions, I will RP it for you.

I was talking to RS and he's having trouble with photobucket so he can't post the map just yet, so stop harassing him!

OOC:OK, how will my country go down hill for spending alot on military? It's called capitalism, the people are the ones making the economy better. And I can't wait to see you try to RP your logistics in this war, I'll bleed you dry before you even get a man on my shores.

Can we start this already?

Can we start this already?
Any day now would be good.

I was talking to RS and he's having trouble with photobucket so he can't post the map just yet, so stop harassing him!

OOC: i'm not harassing anyone.

OOC:OK, how will my country go down hill for spending alot on military? It's called capitalism, the people are the ones making the economy better. And I can't wait to see you try to RP your logistics in this war, I'll bleed you dry before you even get a man on my shores.

OOC: How about reading the post I made ages ago, instead of ignoring the obvious? And read Clan Smoke Jaguar's post as well.

OOC: i'm not harassing anyone.

OOC: I'm just quoting what he said to me over the phone, so don't take that personally.

OOC:I did read that post, that was my response to it. CSJ said GDP, not budget, I'm spending no where near 10% of my GDP. Besides, if that weren't the case, wouldn't you have trouble with your military spending?

bump

(OOC: Doom, did I tell you about Grenval yet?)

bump

(OOC: Doom, did I tell you about Grenval yet?)
OOC:Yeah.

Ok, fine, same shape, but around the same size as australia. How bout that? Cause I have several big cities, the ones on my map are just the major ones.

.... i give up?

Let me put it this way. I have almost 4 times your population. That would make my country, what, the size of asia? See my point?

Im hitting the snooze button again...

Voltarum

Good lord, you're all still argueing?

Good lord, you're all still argueing?
My sentiments exactly.

OOC:I did read that post, that was my response to it. CSJ said GDP, not budget, I'm spending no where near 10% of my GDP. Besides, if that weren't the case, wouldn't you have trouble with your military spending?

OOC: Why are you ignoring my posts? I stated earlier, that that post was made during the time of pipian GDP calc. Consumption wasn't taken into account, so budgets were taken from the GDP. That's probably why it says GDP not budget.

Good lord, you're all still argueing?

This should have been settled earlier, but they keep ignoring the points I made like 5 pages ago.

I'm going to tell FSM, that I'm tired of waiting. We need to get this thing started. But as soon as there is god modding, the guilty must make a pretty convincing argument, otherwise I drop out of this RP, and I will no longer RP with the CAD as well. Too much arguing comes out of it, it's not really fun anymore.

OOC:I wasn't ignoring your post, I was perfectly aware that is was made in the time of the pipian calculater. From what I remember about using it, you had to type out your taxrate and such, and it would take the proper amount from the GDP. So, again, I use the same arguement. I agree, I'm getting sick and tired of arguing, get on with this damned thing.

OOC:I wasn't ignoring your post, I was perfectly aware that is was made in the time of the pipian calculater. From what I remember about using it, you had to type out your taxrate and such, and it would take the proper amount from the GDP. So, again, I use the same arguement. I agree, I'm getting sick and tired of arguing, get on with this damned thing.

OOC: No, you did not have to type in your tax rate. You could choose how much your country spends on military. I repeat again, the pipian calculator did not take consumption into account. It took whatever percentage you chose for military directly from your GDP. Thirdgeek has pretty much usurped the role of GDP calculator, and it does figure in consumption. Therefore, you should read it as "if you spend more than 10% of your budget" as opposed to "if you spend more than 10% of your GDP."

Understand?

FSM says the war will not start until RS puts his map up.

OOC:Still, why wouldn't he just up and say budget? RS says he's still having trouble with photobucket, but he said he's gonna give me the map on a disk to post, so I'd say it should be up some time tommorow. FSM never posted a map, I want one up ASAP.

OOC:Still, why wouldn't he just up and say budget? RS says he's still having trouble with photobucket, but he said he's gonna give me the map on a disk to post, so I'd say it should be up some time tommorow. FSM never posted a map, I want one up ASAP.

OOC: Anyway, I found it, and I put in your current defense spending. According to the pipian calculator, you spend 11.58% of your GDP on military. Even if CSJ meant budget, you'd still be spending more than 10%.

Here's the link anyway.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Doomingsland&defenseprovided=1&defense=37&militarybudget=1

Read it and weep :)

FSM told me he'll work on a map, it won't take too long, but the process is a bit delayed since USSR (the region he's in) has no map to his knowledge. He'll just RP as Kamchatka or something.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/Doomingsland/Dominionmap.bmp

There's the map of RS, tell FSM he can include his map with the IC post. I think we should make a seperate thread for the acutal war.

Funny, Pipian says my defence budget is a trillion more than it says on thirdgeek.

OOC:
A chart for the military bases:
sea green= air force base
black= army base (Marines and Delta Force)
dark blue= naval base
Perhaps now we can get the war going?

I certainly hope that the war can get underway soon I am getting sick of waiting too. so in other words...


STOP THE BICKERING

Funny, Pipian says my defence budget is a trillion more than it says on thirdgeek.

OOC: Yeah, pipian estimates the GDP per capita rather than finding the exact one. So your measly 31k gdp is rounded up to 35k, hence the extra money. Regardless, your military spending is still greater than 10%, it's been that way for a while now, your country should be a mess.

I certainly hope that the war can get underway soon I am getting sick of waiting too. so in other words...


STOP THE BICKERING

I would have loved to had this thing start earlier, but it took this many pages to drill this point through your ally's head.

It's also great how you could have asked for FSM's map on page 1, yet you waited until now to ask for it.

Despite the fact that I was only asked for a map now, I was able to get a good looking map up in a fraction of the time it took you guys. I'll admit it was rushed, but still, it has the necessary info. Salmon is naval, olive is ground base, blue is airbase. USSR doesn't have a regional map to my knowledge, but I think I'm near RedCommunist, if not neighboring RedCommunist.

http://kryogenix.xangans.com/nationstates/fsm.jpg

Few more preparations and then we can

GET IT STARTED IN HERE

I would say retarded in here, but it's too late for some of us.

http://www.blackfilm.com/i3/movies/y/yougotserved/001.jpg

Excuse the ranting, I just got back from arguing with some jerk who can't accept the fact that John Kerry lost. Just wanted to share the love with you guys :smile:

Lol, been doing that all day, bro :).

Well, we await your IC post.

OOC: I accept he lost.....which is why I'll be moving to Canada :D

hate to do this but...

because Ruthless Slaughter and FSM have both specified which types of base are where, could Doomingsland do the same? I will, if a map is requested.

hate to do this but...

because Ruthless Slaughter and FSM have both specified which types of base are where, could Doomingsland do the same? I will, if a map is requested.

OOC: Would you like me to do it too?

OOC: I accept he lost.....which is why I'll be moving to Canada :D

(OOC: If Kerry had won, I would have moved to Thailand. [That's where my girlfriend lives.])

OOC: Would you like me to do it too?

OOC: Sure, be my guest.

OOC: Sure, be my guest.

OOC: just wanted to get it out of the way before the actual war

Map of Wirraway (http://xs.to/pics/04102/Wirraway.bmp )

Green- Naval Base
Red- Air Base
Blue- Millitary Base

My Capital is Brussels

OOC:On the post with the map I stated all except naval, but for the record, the bases close to the coast are naval bases.

OOC:On the post with the map I stated all except naval, but for the record, the bases close to the coast are naval bases.

OOC: would it be too much trouble to ask for a scale?

.... i give up?

Let me put it this way. I have almost 4 times your population. That would make my country, what, the size of asia? See my point?

Im hitting the snooze button again...

Voltarum

Argg! Sorry, I just realised that you don't really know my nation but I'm still getting tired of explaining. My old nation got deleted but if it were still here then I would be about 4 times the size of my new nation to.

Just outside of Doomingsland Imperial Headquarters, two soldiers with Desert Eagle sidearms pull in to the parking area in a HUMVEE. They step out, walk into the building, and after a few inspections and checks approach the emperor.

"The Emperor Matthews III, needs to know how much longer you need our troops. He is worried about the long stations in the bunkers of your beach. The War Council is pressing for retrieval of our soldiers." said 1st Leiutenant Tres.
"Your response needs to be written and sealed on this paper, placed in this envelope, and with your hands only sealed with this wax. We will wait until you have written you response and take it back in this case." stated Sgt. Caraballo

ooc: This war needs to start, or I have to find another battle.

Just outside of Doomingsland Imperial Headquarters, two soldiers with Desert Eagle sidearms pull in to the parking area in a HUMVEE. They step out, walk into the building, and after a few inspections and checks approach the emperor.

"The Emperor Matthews III, needs to know how much longer you need our troops. He is worried about the long stations in the bunkers of your beach. The War Council is pressing for retrieval of our soldiers." said 1st Leiutenant Tres.
"Your response needs to be written and sealed on this paper, placed in this envelope, and with your hands only sealed with this wax. We will wait until you have written you response and take it back in this case." stated Sgt. Caraballo

ooc: This war needs to start, or I have to find another battle.

Be patient dude. It should begin this week. FSM and I are just waiting for a few telegrams to arrive.

OOC:No, you start this thing by the end of tommorow, or we're ignoring this thread, we're sick and tired of waiting. Yes, JA, a map would be nice. I'll get working on a scale now.

OOC: Yet another episode in the OOC soap opera... :rolleyes:

Secret IC: General Malcolm Granger, head of the Dominion Defense Administration stormed along the main corridor leading to the President's office. In a rage that a decision was made without his consent. He storms up to R.L.'s desk:
Granger: Damn it R.L.! We have war games coming up and you want us to upgrade the subnets now?!?!?!?!?
R.L.: *calmly* No time like the present.
Granger: There's no f*cking time! They'll be beginning before techs can even get out there! I've already called it off.
R.L.:As you wish. *rising* I have no problem with that until you commited INSUBORDINATION! I SHOULD HAVE YOU EXECUTED FOR THAT! However, you're the best I've got and I've always trusted your judgment. Just tell me next time, okay?
Granger:As you wish, sir. Now, *handing a report to R.L.* our latest fleet movements. Admiral Ross diverted the bulk of the fleet from Freedom to Liberator base and extra ABM systems have been set up along the ports and coast.
R.L.: Good, I look forward to your next report.
With that, Granger turns and leaves. I hope these war games start already, tensions are running high and the brass is getting nervous. Heh, all this over a game...
OOC: Don't mind it, I'm gearing up for Pearl Harbor type of thing.

OOC:No, you start this thing by the end of tommorow, or we're ignoring this thread, we're sick and tired of waiting. Yes, JA, a map would be nice. I'll get working on a scale now.

OOC: What would be the use of ignoring this thread? FSM could just make another one.

You should make a new thread for the IC's anyways, this one is way to crowded with OOC.

You should make a new thread for the IC's anyways, this one is way to crowded with OOC.

OOC: Word is, the thread is going up today, after we get back from church. It's probably not going to feature some earth shattering military maneuver, but it's going to be IC at least.

OOC:Church? Damn, can't remember the last time I've been there, Easter I think it was, lol. Well, at least it'll be IC...

So where is this wonderful thread?

OOC: Bling Bling

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371935