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A Council of Nations with space programs intent on a robust, joint effort in Manned Space Exploration. Rallying the support of there administrations, councilors secure resources and assests as well as work with thier nations research university systems to foward the state of the art and future interest in Space Exploration and International Cooperation therein.

The Council dictates the course and ventures of the International Fleet's 2 primary branches - the Orbital Guard and the Expeditionary[exploration] Wing and Councilors of the International Fleet may make a bid to control and manage one of the tertiary divisions of the IF - Lunar, Phobos, Jupiter or Titan. You need not join the IF and apply for a Councilors seat in the Conference to be heard or participate. A standing open invite is extended to all nationstates with an interest in space - everyone can voice thier concerns and make recommendations to the International Fleet Council but only Councilors of or IF member head of states will have a vote in policy making and methods of enforcing those policies and only members and Councilors will have the right to drop Resolutions for vote - so proposals made by non-International Fleet nationstates must be ratified and submit by a proper IF Councilor, but if you so fill inclinded - to apply for International Fleet membership and the Council please review article five of the constitution below and state that you are willing to comply with the minimal requirements and you will be concedered for membership. If you have any special concerns or possible reservations to joining the International Fleet yet agree with it's Ideals, feel free to bring to to the attention of the council here in these forums[this thread].

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Memberstates of the Council[ 22 ]:
Greater Beijing
Shandong-Jiangsu
Zhejiang
Nubrium
Phobos City
British-Columbia
Coppernicus
Tycho-Rivera
Luna I
Kanabia
Roman Republic
Pentova
Buben
Porto Calus
Romulan Territories
--Hong--Kong--
Antonian States
Albinoism
Soviet Bloc
Anagonia
Wulaishen
Ankhmet
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New International Fleet Assets - 44011.913 bln up 8.286 tln even after lower the IF GDP tax 2 points and Defence Tax 2.3 points with the addition of 2 new member states.
Total real annual budgeted assets - 44.012 tln [ 44,011,912,619,561.00 ]

GDP Tax - 5%( 323772.680946 bln ) - 16188.6340473 bln
Defence Tax - 12%( 50646.6882705 bln) - 6077.60259246 bln
Net Trade Surplus Tax - 33%( 1282.2244797 bln ) - 423.134078301 bln
Government Waste Recovery & Aquisitions - 21199.3069015 bln
International Fleet Systems Annual Profits - 123.235 bln

International Fleet Systems Reserve Bank Assets - 168.881 tln
Reserves up 4% or 6.495 tln from excellent investment returns and better IFS Revenues with the addition of several new systems to the open market.

Annual International Fleet Assets - 44.012 tln [ 44,011,912,619,561.00 ]
Annual International Fleet Budget 100% - 44.012 tln
48.00% - 21.125 tln - Orbital Guard-International Fleet Defense
12.61% - 5.549 tln - Jupiter Division
12.00% - 5.281 tln - Interstellar Launch-Phobos Division
11.39% - 5.012 tln - Expeditionary-Exploration Division
09.00% - 3.961 tln - Lunar Division
07.00% - 3.080 tln - Titan Division

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THE INTERNATIONAL FLEET INITIATIVE, 2020


We ask our neighbors and nations of earth to join in and contribute to the founding of an International Fleet:
I The primary purpose of which will be to defend the peaceful efforts of humanity in space. Including but not limited to scientific research, exploration, industrialization, colonization and the infrastructure and facility construction work required to these ends. In case a hostile force or regime attacks an International Fleet member state, threatining space assets and capacity to contribute to the International Fleet - the International Fleet Defense Initiative will be implemented and the nation's interest will be defended using all resources available to the International Fleet.

II The secondary purpose of the International Fleet will be the long range manned exploration of our system and scouting for future colony sites plus any scientific research and development required to that end.

The requirements for entrance under the protection of the International Fleet are:
I A simple & small variable tax rate on your nations gnp that will be dedicated to the development of fleet resources. In adition to this minimal requirement your nation may contribute what physical and intellectual resources it wants to that is aproved by International Fleet Command - which will be a council of representatives of the IF Protectorate - member states.

II The second minima for entrance into IF membership is the aquisition of all space assets not dedicated to space exploration and related scientific research - including but not limited to; spaceborne WMD, orbital weapons platforms, combat spaceplanes, orbital combat support stations and/or vehicles.

Securing space from war is the single most important mission in space that must succeed and requires the support of all space fairing nations. Join us and enter the future.

[revised and edited for clearity and language from the original]
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The Constitution of the International Fleet, 2022

____________________Article One____________________
Mission & Vision

The respective administrations of the memberstates of the International Fleet agree to solidly adhere to the rules and terms of this constitution and to amend it if ever it should need to be for the benifit of our respective nationstates and our citizens in space and those dedicated to the mission of the union.
In the vision of we the founders of the International Fleet duely representing the interest of our peoples agree to intelligently manage the resources of this union to achieve its goals of establishing and maintaining a robust manned space exploration program.
And we the founders of this union agree to intellegently manage the resources of this union in order to protect it from threats to it's continuity and prosperity - those both external and internal.
The mission of the International Fleet is to spearhead the manned exploration of our system and beyond - by whatever means reasonable and possible. This includes but is not limited to the establishment of permanent facilities in and beyond the earths orbit to facilitate the research, developement, construction, ship foundry, and education required to achive and foward this mission.
The vision of the International Fleet is to secure the peaceful future of manned space exploration for all nations and unions of humanity - without compromising the well being of the citizens of our nations and whenever possible contributing to the quality of life and the developement of planet bound populations.


____________________Article Two____________________
Finance & Development

Divisions - bids for the management of and the nature of distant colonial investments means authorization of division management should be given after a realistic concederation of how those distant populations will be affected by proposed budget changes.
Taxation - large changes in taxes could adversely affect the unity of the international fleet incharacter. Adjustments should only be made by the Chief Executor and new areas of taxes would have to be concedered in summit or conference and voted on - as would large realignments of the budget.
No one memberstate of the International Fleet may promise the resources of the International Fleet towards foreign aid or asset allocations toward the developement of any other non-member nation or memberstates without the authorization of the Chief Executor, or at least 2 other senior councilors and if possible after consultation with the entire body of councilors of the International Fleet at a general assembly.

____________________Article Three____________________
Protections & Security

The International Fleet Defense Force branches - International Intellegence Agency, International Fleet Special Forces, International Fleet Cavalry Division, International Star Fleet and the Orbital Guard are to be commanded by a general staff - to be personally apointed to thier commisions by the International Fleet Defense Director General.
The International Fleet Defense Director is not to use International Fleet forces in a way that jepordizes the peace or security of anyone membernation and will conceder the needs of the entire union in all actions. Neither is the Director to provoke other nations into hostile actions or within reason cause unnessesary tensions.
The Defense Director General will not act without due concederation and only after consultation with the Minister of Foreign Affairs or another senior member of the council or another 2 memberstates of the International Fleet - unless in time of war, either a clear and present danger has presented itself to a member nation or threatens our capacity to further our mission or if a state of war has been declared by the council. In which case the Defense Director General has overall command of International Fleet resources for the duration of the emergency or conflict.


____________________Article Four____________________
Administration & Council

The full council of the International Fleet is to conviene every 7 years in summit to address the issues of the entire union. To be present at the union summit are member nation heads of state and ambassadors to the International FleetAnd Ambassadors to the International Fleet from all membernations are to be available for consultation and council at all other times.
At times of crisis when all member nations of the International Fleet are not available for a vote on a course of action - decisions will be made and the crisis will be resolved in an official manner by the International Fleet Chief Executor, Secreatary General, Defense Director General, International Intellegence Director, Minister of Exploration or Minister of Foreign Affairs - but not without sending notifications of our new official stance on the issue with the international community to the member nations of the International Fleet. The Chief Executor, Secreatary General, Defense Director General, International Intellegence Director, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Exploration must take full responsibility for his/her actions and can be called before the council to answer for uncharacteristic violations of the vision and mission of the International Fleet Charter and this Constitution.
The Secretary General, Defense Director General, International Intellegence Director, Minister of Exploration, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Chief Executor are to be ellected by the council every 4 summits - or whenever an emergency requires a new general officer be ellected - when all membernation councilors of the union are not available for the vote and it is in the best interest of the International Fleet to have an officer assume the responsibilities more immediately an acting general officer can be ratified by the available, active general officers. There are no limit for how terms of service a senior officer may serve the International Fleet.
Chief Executor - Chief Financial Officer of the International Fleet
Secretary General - Chief Diplomat of the International Fleet
Defense Director General - Commander of International Fleet Defense Forces and charged with the security of the union.
International Intellegence Director - Chief of International Fleet Intellegence agencies.
Minister of Exploration - Chief of Exploration, mission designer and longterm planner of joint manned space programs
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Diplomat of the International Fleet, primarily concerned with development and foreign investments, and the compliance issues of memberstates.
Proposals may be submited to the council by guest nation heads of states and ambassadors to the International Fleet, and these proposals may be of any nature. However the motion must be second for concideration by a member of the International Fleet - if the motion is defeated it is not to be raised again by the same guest during the summit or conference.
Only memberstates of the International Fleet may submit proper acts and resolutions to the council for a vote - and only heads of state or ambassadors to the International Fleet of memberstates may have a vote on a proper act or resolution.



____________________Article Five____________________
Membership & the official open invite


The Minimal Requirements of joining this Union and in harmony with the Mission and Vission of the International are put in plain language:
A small incharacter tax on your gdp, net trade surplus, defense spending and government waste apropriations.
The agreement to use space solely for scientific purposes - this includes but it not limited to dismantaling any spaceborne weapons programs not dedicated solely to the defense of your faccilities, and an agreement not to develope, sale, or aid another nation in the developement of offensive spaceborne weapons systems.


The Official open invitation to join the International Fleet is as follows

The International Fleet offers you an official invite to join our union of space program focused nationstates. Our primary mission is to secure space for the peaceful manned exploration that all of humanity has the right to without fear of hostilities or war.

We invite you to entertain the following minimal requirements of joining the International Fleet:
A small incharacter tax on your gdp, net trade surplus, defense spending and government waste apropriations.
The agreement to use space solely for scientific purposes - this includes but it not limited to dismantaling any spaceborne weapons programs not dedicated solely to the defense of your faccilities, and an agreement not to develope, sale, or aid another nation in the developement of offensive spaceborne weapons systems.
If you can agree and are accepted in the International Fleet you will fall under the protection of a wellfunded defense force with global reach. We can virutally Garuantee your security even if you reduce your defense spending to nothing.

And most importantly you will join a union dedicated to a robust manned space exploration and colonization program you will be able to help in mission designs and in the methods of establishing the colonies of the future. Your university system will have complete and free access to the Orbital Institutes of Technology of Luna I and the Democratic Union of Asia @ Gateway Station.

The International Fleet is an at will membership union - if a memberstate of the International Fleet feels the policies nolonger reflect the ideals of thier solvereign nationstate they may leave at the end of a fiscal year and after formal rationale is given in a summit or conference.

However, the International Fleet reserves the right to liquidate all resources contributed to the exiting memberstate if the exiting memberstate has the intention of developing those resources to threaten the International Fleets capacity to further its mission and vission.


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We are 22 memberstates

Ongoing Resolutions:

With respect to the Former Soviet Mafia of the USSR
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364984

*ISEC Act 01 - If in the case that a peaceful conclusion to the current situation with Siberian nationstates with respect to orbital weapons platforms, a matter that will be voted on at a later time - the International Fleet Orbital Guard will be cleared for military action to remove the threat by force.

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*ISEC-IFOG Resolution 01 - International Space Exploration Conference - IF Orbital Guard Resolution 01:
We have allowed ample time for a response, this is beyond insulting, bordering on dangerous - It is the opinion of the Luna I administration and foreign afairs office that these nations are irrational and incapable of negotiations or a peaceful settlement - I move the ISE Conference of the International Fleet to an immediate vote to clear the IF for the removal of these devices by force.

Absentee votes Kanabia, Exetonia Minor

According to Act 5 of Exetonia - you are dedicating your orbital shipyards to the Construction of Capital Class ships? How much financial support will you need form the IF joint budget I must ask before voting on Act 5

Since Act 2 did not pass we welcome the Roman Republic and Endenia to the council.

I propose that we immediately work to establish a small base on Phobos, that may be used as a transshipment point for supplies to a future base on Mars itself.

According to the IFGDP 2%tax and contributions - Fleet Assets this year were 7.04853 trillion. If youre making a propossal to the council for a vote, please state an estimatation of the cost total and how much of it your nation is willing to cover outside of the IF budget.

Greater Beijing is willing to support this mission with personnel and 5 billion credits.

I propose the following IF budget

34% For maintenence of space facilities
20% Construction of new ships
19% Scientific Research and technological developement
15% Exploration & colony building
12% Mining operations

OOC: Just FYI, but i am leader of another organisation, started early sumemr this year, named ISEC - International Space Exploration Coalition.

So maybe we could make a deal that you must write your full name, so people won't make mistakes about the two organisations.
What do you say?

//Helveticuz

We will pay 100% of the Phobos mission, and will budget $400 billion.

Exetonia will budget the vast majority of its military budget:

Government Budget Details
Administration: $924,395,458,560.00 14%
Welfare: $0.00 0%
Health: $0.00 0%
Education: $858,367,211,520.00 13%
Religion & Spirituality: $0.00 0%
Defence: $396,169,482,240.00 6%
Law & Order: $1,056,451,952,640.00 16%
Commerce: $462,197,729,280.00 7%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $1,584,677,928,960.00 24%
Social Equality: $594,254,223,360.00 9%


The notes logged in italics are the pasrts of the bduget now being re-routed to space. ESA would also like to donate her desigs to the fold for space exploration and uncopyright them for new copyright by the council. I sthis acceptable?

The Republic Of Endenia has reviewed THE INTERNATIONAL FLEET INITIATIVE and wishes to join this Initiative. We will dedicated at least 5% of our Defence Budget to this Initiative, also we offer the services of the Solaris Ship-Yards and Trinity Space Launch Centre to the International Fleet. As our space exploration is for peaceful purposes, we do not maintain any orbital bombardment weapons only defensive weaponry maintained on our star-ships, we will glady surrender them if needed.

If anything else is needed before Endenia can join, please do not hesitate to ask.

Our colony ships cost approximately 100 billion dollars to create 1 colony ship. Its is a massive proportion of our budget towards space that is dedicated to ESA colony ship building. We have not, as yest begun building any war capable capital ships. Our colony ships are over 1KM long and .5KM high and as much wide. This is due to the sheer volume of people involved in colonising a whoile world. Information pertaining to our current vessels will be relaeased soon.

The Pentovan Congress voted unanimously today, to apply for an entry in the SECIF.

OOC: I would like to join.

Our colony ships cost approximately 100 billion dollars to create 1 colony ship. Its is a massive proportion of our budget towards space that is dedicated to ESA colony ship building. We have not, as yest begun building any war capable capital ships. Our colony ships are over 1KM long and .5KM high and as much wide. This is due to the sheer volume of people involved in colonising a whoile world. Information pertaining to our current vessels will be relaeased soon.

I recommend cancelling the construction of these ships until the fleet can put together a colonial vessel that truely represents our combined technological and industrial capacity. We want a ship that can establish a self suficient colony in worlds we know little about. This requires not only the staff your ships can handle but a huge manufacturing/industrial complex capable of living off the materials it can find in asteroids and moons.

The International Fleet currently has a serries of exploration cruisers with such capabilities - I think we should rework our designs - transmitting IF Systems and design specs for all ships in IF service and related tech.

& The independant developement of warships and spaceborne weapons would be a violation of the Primary charter and would be grounds for expulsion from the Council and the IF. Its a good thing you arent pursuing such programs - if you have ideas or scientist and techs interested in R&D in these fields they are invited to the Orbital Institutes of Technology at Gateway station.

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Greater Beijing welcomes Endenia and Pentova to the union.

We will pay 100% of the Phobos mission, and will budget $400 billion.

I dont think 400 Billion fully embodies the scope of the mission we had in mind here - wouldnt it be cool to mine out living space and habitats in the moon and maybe even turn it into a giant shipyards - Hollow it out and spin it for centripital forced gravity - have a micro gravity shipyards and waystation at the centre. This would require several capital class exploration cruisers/colony ships and dozens of support ships similar to the Imperial Class.

How much would it cost to mobilize this mission - the first step would be to assemble the staff and design the mission - second have a vote on the allocation of the estimated cost - which we believe will be more the 400 bln

We also welcome Endenia and Pentova

Member list updated and you guys were forgetting the Roman Republic - resolution 2 was voted down by Kanabia so hes in as well as the rest of the new applicants pending the recommendation of a fullmember and that compliance with the primary charter can be confirmed.

We welcome our new members - we are 10.

Oh yeah and Exetonia, check out the IF Store front for a list of the current ships in IF service.
This is what we currently have completed and deployed:
3 Revelations
18 Cortez Class ECs with 4 underconstruction, 2 being upgraded at gateway - 10 between Earth and Luna I, 4 on there way to Mars, 2 at Mars
2 Alpha Class ECs - 1 at the Moon, 1 at Mars
1 Ares Class ECCs - on its way to Mars for extended survey missions
7 Imperator Class support ships with 13 under construction at Gateway and Luna I - all in Earth GEO

I will update the Storefront page with better descriptions of the ships and thier capabilities.

Thank you for your welcome. Please note our Star-Ships weaponry are purely defensive and will not be used in orbital bombardments. We will fund any missions to planets in our Solar System and we are interested in establishing a colony on Mars.


Also we are willing to donate 4 Billion to the Phobos Project.

I dont think 400 Billion fully embodies the scope of the mission we had in mind here - wouldnt it be cool to mine out living space and habitats in the moon and maybe even turn it into a giant shipyards - Hollow it out and spin it for centripital forced gravity - have a micro gravity shipyards and waystation at the centre. This would require several capital class exploration cruisers/colony ships and dozens of support ships similar to the Imperial Class.

How much would it cost to mobilize this mission - the first step would be to assemble the staff and design the mission - second have a vote on the allocation of the estimated cost - which we believe will be more the 400 bln

The mission we had in mind at this stage is only for a small (25 person) base, which will simply act as a point to transfer supplies to the martian surface and (perhaps, if supplies are present) mine water-ice for the use of a future Martian colony. At this stage we should consider immediate applications before committing to such a long-term solution. The colony will, for example, need to be self-sustaining, and in order for that, a martian base will be necessary.

We feel that $400 billion over 2 years will cover the development and preparation costs for the mission we are considering nicely.

I second the Kanabia motion and clear it for IF aid if the need arises - I think we have a number of extended range exploration cruisers surveying the red planet and its moons now - so you will not be alone.

Godspeed.

We would like to propose an Resolution Alpha and the creation of a department of the IF to handle the inspection of applying membernations to secure compliance of Minima Requirements including the disclosure and classification of spaceborne combat systems and weapons, and the reengineering oversite of warship conversions to scientific/exploration vessels - excluding those dedicated to the International Fleet by new member nations.

Division of Scientific Compliance - the new department of the IF Orbital Guard

*SECIF Resolution Alpha

Y

And we second the motion of aid allocations and support ships in the vacinity of Phobos upon an emergency situation or request for the Kanabia-Phobos mission.

(ooc:uh guys, i is alrady on da red planet. Your more than welcome to join me y'hear :D )

Offical Empire Transcript:

Office of - Emperor Tyrone Buben,

RE:International Fleet,

Recent talks with Greater Beijing have given us more insight into The International Fleet. We at this time would like to express intrest in joining the Fleet.

We have a small but growing space sector which could benefit from such alliances. At present we have 2 Intreab Watcher Satilites, which are used to see what are hostile neighbours are up-to. We also have 2 research centres which have a wide range of products in the planning stage.

We are willing to allow the use of all facilitys and satilites upon entrance to The International Fleet Alliance,providing acception of our application.

Emperor Tyrone Buben
Emperor of The Empire of Buben
Regent of The Antonian Colonies

Offical Empire Transcript:

Office of - Emperor Tyrone Buben,

RE:International Fleet,

Recent talks with Greater Beijing have given us more insight into The International Fleet. We at this time would like to express intrest in joining the Fleet.

We have a small but growing space sector which could benefit from such alliances. At present we have 2 Intreab Watcher Satilites, which are used to see what are hostile neighbours are up-to. We also have 2 research centres which have a wide range of products in the planning stage.

We are willing to allow the use of all facilitys and satilites upon entrance to The International Fleet Alliance,providing acception of our application.

Emperor Tyrone Buben
Emperor of The Empire of Buben
Regent of The Antonian Colonies

Looks good - thanks for disclosing your space program data - and welcome to the IF Council.

(ooc:uh guys, i is alrady on da red planet. Your more than welcome to join me y'hear :D )

Whats the size and scope of your current Mars division? Did we get you confused with somebody else - theres a lot of new members.

Office of - Emperor Tyrone Buben,


RE:International Fleet

We are pleased to be welcomed to the council,and look forward to building a strong alliance with the I.F. Are systems are standing by for uplink to your systems.

At this point I will hand over future affairs to The Ministry of Space Devolpment & Defence, Minister A,Jaster will be able to speak for me on all matters, and he will provide me with daily breifings.

We again Thank You for your intrest in The Empire of Buben!

Emperor Tyrone Buben
Emperor of The Empire of Buben
Regent of The Antonian Colonies

We would like to propose an Resolution Alpha and the creation of a department of the IF to handle the inspection of applying membernations to secure compliance of Minima Requirements including the disclosure and classification of spaceborne combat systems and weapons, and the reengineering oversite of warship conversions to scientific/exploration vessels - excluding those dedicated to the International Fleet by new member nations.

Division of Scientific Compliance - the new department of the IF Orbital Guard

*SECIF Resolution Alpha

Y


Y

are all laws directly related to the primary chater or mission to be labeled Alpha#? Probably a good idea.

We would like to propose an Resolution Alpha and the creation of a department of the IF to handle the inspection of applying membernations to secure compliance of Minima Requirements including the disclosure and classification of spaceborne combat systems and weapons, and the reengineering oversite of warship conversions to scientific/exploration vessels - excluding those dedicated to the International Fleet by new member nations.

Division of Scientific Compliance - the new department of the IF Orbital Guard

*SECIF Resolution Alpha

Y

Y - - Shouldnt it just be called the IF Mission oversight commision. The IF-MOC

Office of - Emperor Tyrone Buben,


RE:International Fleet

We are pleased to be welcomed to the council,and look forward to building a strong alliance with the I.F. Are systems are standing by for uplink to your systems.

At this point I will hand over future affairs to The Ministry of Space Devolpment & Defence, Minister A,Jaster will be able to speak for me on all matters, and he will provide me with daily breifings.

We again Thank You for your intrest in The Empire of Buben!

Emperor Tyrone Buben
Emperor of The Empire of Buben
Regent of The Antonian Colonies

Whats your vote on the current resolution Buben?

Resolution Alpha gets a Y from us.

Ressolution Alpha gets a Y from Exetonia also

We accept

Welcome to the Union then - we are 12
What vote you on Resolution Alpha Chrono?

I propose the following IF budget

34% For maintenence of space facilities
20% Construction of new ships
19% Scientific Research and technological developement
15% Exploration & colony building
12% Mining operations

Uhm I believe this would have to be voted in - dont think we have a budget yet - Resolution 6?

Finally found the verification email hidden in all of my junkmail

Nubrium votes Y - on everything yes yes yes yes yes

and welcome to the fold new people.

Buben votes YES on Resolution Alpha!

Should we all move to one Region?

I propose Resolution 7

That we the members of the International Fleet move to a region founded by us and empowered by us - the council.

International Fleet
World Factbook Entry: Founded in 2020 with the International Fleet Initiative by the Space Exploration Council of the Democratic Union of Asia. We are a force for science and the spirit of exploration. Charged with the most important mission in this century - securing space for the peaceful maned exploration and colonization of space - we administer these responsibilities thru council - one chair per nation, one vote per nation - the future of space thru the council

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=International%20Fleet

Oh yeah and the budget looks good to me.

What would become of the regions that we leave? Not that the Democratic Union of Asia has been a huge hit from the get go - but I dunno I guess I would agree to join the new region if everybody else did.

Should we all move to one Region?

I propose Resolution 7

That we the members of the International Fleet move to a region founded by us and empowered by us - the council.

International Fleet
World Factbook Entry: Founded in 2020 with the International Fleet Initiative by the Space Exploration Council of the Democratic Union of Asia. We are a force for science and the spirit of exploration. Charged with the most important mission in this century - securing space for the peaceful maned exploration and colonization of space - we administer these responsibilities thru council - one chair per nation, one vote per nation - the future of space thru the council

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=International%20Fleet

I am in favor of a region of our own as long as everyone presently on the council decides to join - and then we would have to make it IF law and a new minimal requirement to join the SE council for future naitons that they would have to join the IF region - uhmm, yeah if this can be done

We vote Yes.

*Votes Y and joins Luna I @ International Fleet

The Empire votes Yes on the issue of a new region.

Emperor Tyrone Buben- Empire of Buben

Pentova votes yea on Resolution 7 & Joins International Fleet

Endenia decides to vote Aye on the resolution but will abstain from moving to the new region until we consult our close ally Exetonia.

make it so. :D

Im joining the region unti lits voted otherwise.

You know the IF Budget is only 800 bln even if you add the govrnment waste to the 7.5% tax on the regional gdp

Exetonia, Endenia and the Roman republic are larger nations though so I think our annual budget will allow for over a tln in space interest - this is not bad - we could complete something like the orginally proposed ISS or manned missions to mars within a year on this. But its still not enough I dont think - not enough to enforce orbital, freespace laws or for the construction of large state of the art colonial class exploration ships.

I think we need more members.

OOC: Just FYI, but i am leader of another organisation, started early sumemr this year, named ISEC - International Space Exploration Coalition.

So maybe we could make a deal that you must write your full name, so people won't make mistakes about the two organisations.
What do you say?

//Helveticuz

Once again....Can we do like this?

I am sad to say that today, I must announce my formal resignation from this organization. I have recently begun my own. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope that you understand.

Pentova

Exetonia will budget the vast majority of its military budget:

Government Budget Details
Administration: $924,395,458,560.00 14%
Welfare: $0.00 0%
Health: $0.00 0%
Education: $858,367,211,520.00 13%
Religion & Spirituality: $0.00 0%
Defence: $396,169,482,240.00 6%
Law & Order: $1,056,451,952,640.00 16%
Commerce: $462,197,729,280.00 7%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $1,584,677,928,960.00 24%
Social Equality: $594,254,223,360.00 9%


The notes logged in italics are the pasrts of the bduget now being re-routed to space. ESA would also like to donate her desigs to the fold for space exploration and uncopyright them for new copyright by the council. I sthis acceptable?


Whats your government waste at now? we could no doubt use those funds in space as well.

lol putting it in a quote italicized the entire thiing - you are including what - 50% of your administrative and all of your defense budget to the fleet in addition to the standard gdpif tax?

I am sad to say that today, I must announce my formal resignation from this organization. I have recently begun my own. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope that you understand.

Pentova

okay goodluck - you do realize that walking away from an international organization dedicated to the peaceful sciences of space exploration weakens your case for reelection right? :D

OOC: Just FYI, but i am leader of another organisation, started early sumemr this year, named ISEC - International Space Exploration Coalition.

So maybe we could make a deal that you must write your full name, so people won't make mistakes about the two organisations.
What do you say?

//Helveticuz

Once again....Can we do like this?

Uhmm there should be very little confusion now as we have changed our name of the council from - the International Space Exploration Conference[ISEC] - to the Space Exploration Council of the International Fleet[SECIF]

For which change we recieved 5tln from a member of your ISEC.

The mission we had in mind at this stage is only for a small (25 person) base, which will simply act as a point to transfer supplies to the martian surface and (perhaps, if supplies are present) mine water-ice for the use of a future Martian colony. At this stage we should consider immediate applications before committing to such a long-term solution. The colony will, for example, need to be self-sustaining, and in order for that, a martian base will be necessary.

We feel that $400 billion over 2 years will cover the development and preparation costs for the mission we are considering nicely.

You could probably modify one of our Aerospace Transports for an extended range mission like this but for 25 people and all the supplies and materials you will need you will probably want to modify 5 with robotic construction modules and 2 or 3 for the crews. It would cost somewhere around 2.3 bln for the modifications, AI and hardware. Interested in using this aproach?

I am sad to say that today, I must announce my formal resignation from this organization. I have recently begun my own. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope that you understand.

Pentova


Cya - we are 10

On the topic of the IF Region we still are missing a few votes - come on guys

I propose the following IF budget

34% For maintenence of space facilities
20% Construction of new ships
19% Scientific Research and technological developement
15% Exploration & colony building
12% Mining operations

Budget Proposal 02

I think we should organize the budget into divisions, Orbital[Earth], Lunar, Ares[Mars], Jupiter, Titan[Saturn]. And allocate a percent of the overall IF budget to the different divisions. Each Division to be managed by 1 member of the IF.

I bid to manage Lunar Division operations for 9% of the IF budget if this resolution passes.

Budget Proposal 02

I think we should organize the budget into divisions, Orbital[Earth], Lunar, Ares[Mars], Jupiter, Titan[Saturn]. And allocate a percent of the overall IF budget to the different divisions. Each Division to be managed by 1 member of the IF.

I bid to manage Lunar Division operations for 9% of the IF budget if this resolution passes.

That might work - I say yes on Budget Proposal 02, but Ill let a larger nation bid on the available 5 divisions. And shouldnt we require anybody making a bid on a percent of the IF budget come up with an estimate and how much theyre going to spend on what? I guess you'd need to know what the projected annual budget for the IF is and how much funds would be available for your peice of the pie no? Lemme have a look at the numbers

Okay - including the IFGDP.075 member nations allocation, .5 of there military budgets, and thier government waste the Annual International Fleet Budget ammounts to 10.210 trillion. The 50% military budget tax is replaced by the garuntee of the International Fleet Defense Initiative that we would cover all needs of air and space military actions in case of invasion. This however translates to some sort of constant annual spending on defense like 33%

6.8 tln remains for the current 5 divisions then without interfering with the Orbital Guard Division of the IF. The 9% you bid for then amounts to 615.709.354.118 - so, how would you spend your 615 bln a year? :eek:

That might work - I say yes on Budget Proposal 02, but Ill let a larger nation bid on the available 5 divisions. And shouldnt we require anybody making a bid on a percent of the IF budget come up with an estimate and how much theyre going to spend on what? I guess you'd need to know what the projected annual budget for the IF is and how much funds would be available for your peice of the pie no? Lemme have a look at the numbers

Okay - including the IFGDP.075 member nations allocation, .5 of there military budgets, and thier government waste the Annual International Fleet Budget ammounts to 10.210 trillion. The 50% military budget tax is replaced by the garuntee of the International Fleet Defense Initiative that we would cover all needs of air and space military actions in case of invasion. This however translates to some sort of constant annual spending on defense like 33%

6.8 tln remains for the current 5 divisions then without interfering with the Orbital Guard Division of the IF. The 9% you bid for then amounts to 615.709.354.118 - so, how would you spend your 615 bln a year? :eek:

Preliminary Lunar Division Budget .09(IF)
44% R&D 270,912,115,812
31% Facility Maintainence & Construction 190,869,899,776
20% Education - Luna Institutes of Technology 123,141,870,824
5% Transportation 30,785,467,706

Sounds complicated - I hope I wont have to submit a new budget everyday if I get aproved for a division

I would like to assume managment of the Orbital Division, including Gateway station and the Orbital Intitutes of Technology. We would need 8% to continue the expansion projects at Gateway Station, the R&D and public research initiatives at the OIT.

IF Orbital Division Budget proposal by Zhejiang .08(IFB) total 816.8 bln
67% on Construction and Maintainence @ Gateway Station 547.256 bln
31% on R&D and PRIs @ the OIT 253.208 bln
11% on Transportation 89.848 bln

I like the way Budget Proposal 02 doesnt interfere in IFOG Ops. Zhejiang says Yes. :D

Wow thats a lot of money flying around - this is much better. :D

So whats left?

Ares Division - including management of the Mars Missions
Titan[Saturn] Division
Jupiter Division

We can propose the start of new divisions no? Like extra-solar ones, if the sciences and technological means to a feasable mission becomes available. And missions to the outer-planets and the comet-belt.

I vote Yes on both Division budgets proposed so far - these things should remain for a full vote so that sudgestions can be made and amendments can be worked out if need be. Besides the funding comes from all members of the IF so they should have a vote on how its used.

So whats left?

Ares Division - including management of the Mars Missions
Titan[Saturn] Division
Jupiter Division

We can propose the start of new divisions no? Like extra-solar ones, if the sciences and technological means to a feasable mission becomes available. And missions to the outer-planets and the comet-belt.

I vote Yes on both Division budgets proposed so far - these things should remain for a full vote so that sudgestions can be made and amendments can be worked out if need be. Besides the funding comes from all members of the IF so they should have a vote on how its used.

Agreed Beijing, we await the decision of the Council on the budgets and the Regional Issue - And we aprove of the Orbital Division Budget as is goodluck with Gateway station, it was originally my idea though :p

So whats left?

Ares Division - including management of the Mars Missions
Titan[Saturn] Division
Jupiter Division

We can propose the start of new divisions no? Like extra-solar ones, if the sciences and technological means to a feasable mission becomes available. And missions to the outer-planets and the comet-belt.

I vote Yes on both Division budgets proposed so far - these things should remain for a full vote so that sudgestions can be made and amendments can be worked out if need be. Besides the funding comes from all members of the IF so they should have a vote on how its used.

Likewise - we aprove the Lunar Division budget and thanks for the station. :D

0

We accept

We may have had another International Fleet member here - I telegramed him to get back here if he's interested - I think his population was 3 bln with a decent economy so he could be an excellent addition to the cause if he can roleplay. :D

We shall see, said the blind man.

Uhmm there should be very little confusion now as we have changed our name of the council from - the International Space Exploration Conference[ISEC] - to the Space Exploration Council of the International Fleet[SECIF]

For which change we recieved 5tln from a member of your ISEC.

The money was payed for by ISEC. not just me, I wrote that entire post when I was exausted, sorry. Just some FYI. Oh, and it is not fee, it was a flat 5 trill an the name was ours.

whatever - I think our current entitlement better represents who we are here at the International Fleet.

Long Live the SECIF! ;)

Budget Proposal 02

I think we should organize the budget into divisions, Orbital[Earth], Lunar, Ares[Mars], Jupiter, Titan[Saturn]. And allocate a percent of the overall IF budget to the different divisions. Each Division to be managed by 1 member of the IF.

I bid to manage Lunar Division operations for 9% of the IF budget if this resolution passes.


We aprove Budget 02 - Including the proposals on the table for the Lunar and Orbital Divisions.

We will not make a bid for any divisions at this time - like Greater Beijing we are new nations and believe the larger more experienced IF members could probably do a better job. I hope whoever takes the Ares Division doesnt screw things up for the Kanabia-Phobos mission or current survey and science missions at Mars by the IF and Exetonia.

Oh yeah Luna I if you could - it might be helpful if you maintain a ships registry out of our shipyards and member nations and thier current missions.

You said ::
3 Revelations
18 Cortez Class ECs with 4 underconstruction, 2 being upgraded at gateway - 10 between Earth and Luna I, 4 on there way to Mars, 2 at Mars
2 Alpha Class ECs - 1 at the Moon, 1 at Mars
1 Ares Class ECCs - on its way to Mars for extended survey missions
7 Imperator Class support ships with 13 under construction at Gateway and Luna I - all in Earth GEO

Exetonia said hes already at the Red Planet so you would need to get his information - and what Ships Kanabia intends to use in the Phobos mission.

OOC :: Is it possible to get an estimate of personell on these ships and howmany IF citizens are away on these missions - the scale of our exploration programs have taken off. Lets try to keep tract of it - you made the storefront so I figure you should be the one to estimate the capacity of the capital ships and stations.

Goodluck.

Budget Proposal 02

I think we should organize the budget into divisions, Orbital[Earth], Lunar, Ares[Mars], Jupiter, Titan[Saturn]. And allocate a percent of the overall IF budget to the different divisions. Each Division to be managed by 1 member of the IF.


We wish to vote YES on the Budget Proposl 02,

I'm not a fianancal wizard, therefore I dont wish to manage a division. However if no other members step-up I shall give it a shot.

-Also will implament economic refroms whenever the chance arises.-

Emperor Tyrone Buben
Empire of Buben

That might work - I say yes on Budget Proposal 02, but Ill let a larger nation bid on the available 5 divisions. And shouldnt we require anybody making a bid on a percent of the IF budget come up with an estimate and how much theyre going to spend on what? I guess you'd need to know what the projected annual budget for the IF is and how much funds would be available for your peice of the pie no? Lemme have a look at the numbers

Okay - including the IFGDP.075 member nations allocation, .5 of there military budgets, and thier government waste the Annual International Fleet Budget ammounts to 10.210 trillion. The 50% military budget tax is replaced by the garuntee of the International Fleet Defense Initiative that we would cover all needs of air and space military actions in case of invasion. This however translates to some sort of constant annual spending on defense like 33%

6.8 tln remains for the current 5 divisions then without interfering with the Orbital Guard Division of the IF. The 9% you bid for then amounts to 615.709.354.118 - so, how would you spend your 615 bln a year? :eek:

I think we're forgetting something - besides the non-negociable alocation to the International Fleet Defense Initiative, which includes but is not limited to the Orbital Guard Division, we need another constant allocation for the expeditionary/exploration wing charged with joint-international extended range exploration missions - this would include the dozen ships at Mars involved in survey and scientific programs.

I recommend somewhere around 17% be devoted to this principal mission of the International Fleet this and the 33% devoted to IF Defense leaves 50% of the total IF budget for the remaining Divisions - Orbital, Lunar, Ares, Jupiter & Titan - 5.1 trillion. 17% of the current annual IF budget total would amount to 1.7 trillion towards the manned space programs of this union.

So this is amendment alpha to Budget Proposal 02 - BP02A

Fixed Budget - 50% of total assets - 5.105 trillion
33% - 3.3693 trillion - International Fleet Defense Division/Orbital Guard
17% - 1.7357 trillion - International Fleet Expeditionary Division

unfixed division alocations - 50% of total assets - 5,105 billion -
9% - 918.9 billion - Lunar Division
8% - 816.8 billion - Orbital Division
nobid - unknown - Ares Division
nobid - unknown - Jupiter Division
nobid - unknown - Titan Division

At this point we wish to propose two exploration units for production in the Fleet.

The first is a exploration all-terrian walker. Planning included it to be a mobile science lab/headquaters for exploration of new worlds.

The second would be a quick flyer. Full of sensor's for the exploration of new worlds and possiably short range shuttles for security issues.

This desings were created by The Ministry of Space Devolopment and Defence. They were not technoliges obtained through war or spying!

The plans will only be available to be built under The SECIF flag, and therefore will be commaned by and crewed by all nations in the fleet and will fall under full authority of the fleet council.

Ministry of Space Devolopment and Defence
Empire of Buben
Minister-A.Jaster

aproved by me

Does that require a full vote by all members? :cool:

At this point we wish to propose two exploration units for production in the Fleet.

The first is a exploration all-terrian walker. Planning included it to be a mobile science lab/headquaters for exploration of new worlds.

The second would be a quick flyer. Full of sensor's for the exploration of new worlds and possiably short range shuttles for security issues.

This desings were created by The Ministry of Space Devolopment and Defence. They were not technoliges obtained through war or spying!

The plans will only be available to be built under The SECIF flag, and therefore will be commaned by and crewed by all nations in the fleet and will fall under full authority of the fleet council.

Ministry of Space Devolopment and Defence
Empire of Buben
Minister-A.Jaster

I love em! We need survey vehicles for our future Mars Missions - if design specs can be transmitted to the lead Exploration Cruiser at Mars they can begin manufacturing the mobile ground laboratories and flyiers in orbit for expeditions. I think they could improve our surveying capacity of the red planet if they can be made to fit in dropships or other launch capable vehicles - they will work on it - with your permission I would like to add the flyiers as a personal vehicle for earth buyers in the International Fleet Store.

Does that require a full vote by all members? :cool:

I hope we dont need a vote to find out if a vote is neccesary ;)

I agree- But anyship for the soul purpose of the fleet should be ratifed by at least half of the council!

Luna I-

We would be intrested in a small purchase of ships for exploration into unknown region. We would be intrested in a colony ship and protection for that ship. We also don't want this to bankrupt us or set back fleet plans.

Oh yeah Luna I if you could - it might be helpful if you maintain a ships registry out of our shipyards and member nations and thier current missions.

You said ::
3 Revelations
18 Cortez Class ECs with 4 underconstruction, 2 being upgraded at gateway - 10 between Earth and Luna I, 4 on there way to Mars, 2 at Mars
2 Alpha Class ECs - 1 at the Moon, 1 at Mars
1 Ares Class ECCs - on its way to Mars for extended survey missions
7 Imperator Class support ships with 13 under construction at Gateway and Luna I - all in Earth GEO

Exetonia said hes already at the Red Planet so you would need to get his information - and what Ships Kanabia intends to use in the Phobos mission.

OOC :: Is it possible to get an estimate of personell on these ships and howmany IF citizens are away on these missions - the scale of our exploration programs have taken off. Lets try to keep tract of it - you made the storefront so I figure you should be the one to estimate the capacity of the capital ships and stations.

Goodluck.

So since I did the storefront for the IF - and am supose to get this ships registry thing organized for the Expeditionary Wing of the IF, maybe I should manage the budget for it - including the sales at the storefront. I dont think keeping it seperate from the Lunar Division would be a problem. If it turns out dicey maybe the Lunar division can be taken over by Nubrium or it can be included in the Orbital Division under Zhejiangs managment.

I would probably spend most of the 1.7 trillion on shipyard, manufacturing and AI improvments, expansion projects, R&D, ect. to bring down the cost of construction of our capital class exploration vessels. And then we could probably start pumping them out with ease in numbers maybe within 20 years. And maybe develope colonial class exploration ships capable of making the trip to other stars - there are a few early plans on the table for these collosal new flying cities - maybe we could have something feasable within 10 years planned within budget.

Luna I-

We would be intrested in a small purchase of ships for exploration into unknown region. We would be intrested in a colony ship and protection for that ship. We also don't want this to bankrupt us or set back fleet plans.

If youre interested in an independant mission of your own besides those being conducted by the IF on the Moon and Mars - our scientist are willing to converse with yours and work on your project. If youre interested in aquiring a cheap exploration cruiser with a decent on the fly manufacturing and mining/resource aquisition capacity we recommend the Cortez class EC its the work horse of the IF Expeditionary wing with over a dozen already made and the most economic prize out of our Capital Class Exploration vessels.

Or for a mission of smaller scope we are working on modifying our aerospace cargo ships for extended range missions. A small fleet of these ships with the right hardware could concievably acomplish the same mission.

I agree- But anyship for the soul purpose of the fleet should be ratifed by at least half of the council!

Not if the council allows me to manage the Expeditionary Division.

But we do need a vote on that.

Luna I- We are only intrested in areasof space that the I.F. hasnt explored,just exploration! We would also like to divert funds over to the moon or mars missions. We also have many unemployed scientists eagerly awaiting work within the I.F. community

Also are research centres which were donated to the fleet, (upon our entrance) still await new projects!

Also are research centres which were donated to the fleet, (upon our entrance) still await new projects!

Heres one for you try putting some sort of Electroplasma after burner or rocket on those flyiers to make them orbit capable.

So since I did the storefront for the IF - and am supose to get this ships registry thing organized for the Expeditionary Wing of the IF, maybe I should manage the budget for it - including the sales at the storefront. I dont think keeping it seperate from the Lunar Division would be a problem. If it turns out dicey maybe the Lunar division can be taken over by Nubrium or it can be included in the Orbital Division under Zhejiangs managment.

I would probably spend most of the 1.7 trillion on shipyard, manufacturing and AI improvments, expansion projects, R&D, ect. to bring down the cost of construction of our capital class exploration vessels. And then we could probably start pumping them out with ease in numbers maybe within 20 years. And maybe develope colonial class exploration ships capable of making the trip to other stars - there are a few early plans on the table for these collosal new flying cities - maybe we could have something feasable within 10 years planned within budget.

Beijing aproves - go ahead and knock yourself out L1

Heres one for you try putting some sort of Electroplasma after burner or rocket on those flyiers to make them orbit capable.

Thank-You for the input, we will begin reseach immediatly. The science teams should have fun with this,or at least keep them from whining for awhile

Also are research centres which were donated to the fleet, (upon our entrance) still await new projects!

*Sends an army of doctoral candidates over to the new IF Research Facilities to start on thier thesis' - upon ariving at the installation they go straight to the labs and begin playing with all the hightech gadgets! "OH I'VE READ ALL ABOUT THESE!!!" "WHATS THIS BUTTON FOR!?" "WU, WOO, WOHOO" "Security deck 1, security deck 1."


:eek:

:D

Not if the council allows me to manage the Expeditionary Division.

But we do need a vote on that.

All clear here - you have my vote

*Sends an army of doctoral candidates over to the new IF Research Facilities to start on thier thesis' - upon ariving at the installation they go straight to the labs and begin playing with all the hightech gadgets! "OH I'VE READ ALL ABOUT THESE!!!" "WHATS THIS BUTTON FOR!?" "WU, WOO, WOHOO" "Security deck 1, security deck 1."


:eek:

:D

Head of Security laughs nervously when he reliased it was all a false alarm,he quickly left the room.(some say to change his underwear)Everyone knew he was on probation for lax security, Poor guy hadn't been that scared in years. He now wonders if he should retire! :headbang:

OOC: Guys, I find this discussion in a single thread to be a bit messy and difficult to follow. I think we should create our own forum. www.invisionfree.com is a good one.

OOC: Guys, I find this discussion in a single thread to be a bit messy and difficult to follow. I think we should create our own forum. www.invisionfree.com is a good one.

I tried creating forums there titled the International Fleet
and kept getting the error that follows instead of the 2 new boards.

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Do you know how to start one - maybe you could set it up for us

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OOC: Guys, I find this discussion in a single thread to be a bit messy and difficult to follow. I think we should create our own forum. www.invisionfree.com is a good one.

So whats your vote on the Budgets, and Resolution 7?

I dont know if anybody has noticed this but Endenia, Exetonia Minor and The Imperial Navy have an extensive manned exploration program under way including Venus, Lunar and Mars projects with plans on the table for extrasolar missions.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364647

Perhaps we should concider losening the minimal requirements to nations wanting to enlist in the IF so that they may keep there defensive orbital weapons and combat systems. Just foward a policy of non-proliferation and not total disarmament. Then nations like the Imperial Navy would be more inclind to except the offer I think.

That might be worth our while to losen the minimal requirments.

Total International Fleet assets - 10.355 trillion [ 10,355,659,875,000.00 ]

33% - 3.417 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives[managed by the council]
17% - 1.760 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division[managed by the council]
9% - 932 bln - Lunar Division[managed by Luna I]
8% - 828.453 bln - Orbital Division[managed by Zhejiang]

33% - 3.417 tln - unalocated/invested funds.
acumulative to date total unalocated fleet assets - 61.325 tln

Annual assets are up 145 billion over last year without the addition of any new member naitons.

Luna I-

We would be intrested in a small purchase of ships for exploration into unknown region. We would be intrested in a colony ship and protection for that ship. We also don't want this to bankrupt us or set back fleet plans.

If your nation is willing to organize a new mission on behalf of the IF to another world perhaps you could manage a divisions resources and assets - currently upto 33% of the annual IF Budget is unspoken for. Make your proposal and the IF will secure the funds for your mission - just try to keep it within 10% of the budget - this would probably be viewd as reasonable and most like to get the entire councils vote.

17% of the total IFB - 1.760 trillion I will take over the management of the International Fleet Expeditionary Missions to other worlds.

We will first dedicate the funds needed in the R&D into improved robotics and AI driven manufacturing techniques to reduce the cost of Exploration vehicle production so we can begin with the robust exploration of the outer solar system and the colonization of Venus, Phobos-Mars, Jupiters Moons and Titan at Saturn.

Proposed budget to be ratifyied by active IF council members.

76% - 1.338 trillion - R&D
11% - 193.651 billion - Support of current extra-orbital missions
7% - 132.232 billion - Ongoing expansion projects of the 3 IF shipyards
6% - 105.627 billion - Construction and Maintainence of exploration vessels.

17% of the total IFB - 1.760 trillion I will take over the management of the International Fleet Expeditionary Missions to other worlds.

We will first dedicate the funds needed in the R&D into improved robotics and AI driven manufacturing techniques to reduce the cost of Exploration vehicle production so we can begin with the robust exploration of the outer solar system and the colonization of Venus, Phobos-Mars, Jupiters Moons and Titan at Saturn.

Proposed budget to be ratifyied by active IF council members.

76% - 1.338 trillion - R&D
11% - 193.651 billion - Support of current extra-orbital missions
7% - 132.232 billion - Ongoing expansion projects of the 3 IF shipyards
6% - 105.627 billion - Construction and Maintainence of exploration vessels.


Okay by me - its your show :D

although you maybe held responsible to include any program request from member nations into that budget in the future - like Bubens independant colonial program request.

I'd also recommend that you dedicate at least 1% of that budget to work with the Kanabia Phobos mission call it something like the Joint Phobos Mission Design Commision. 1% of your budget could be set aside from R&D or your Support budget and would amount to what 17.6 billion?

We should all contribute intellectually to the phobos waystation mission design too. I think Shandong-Jiangsu had great longterm ideas. On the short term we should alocate the resources for an immediate robotic probe and automated mining/manufacturing mission launch to get the rock ready for manned landings.

We don't really want a independant mission persay, we just want to explore areas that the fleet hasn't ventured into. We don't want to suck up funds which could be put to better use.

We also have intrest in production of a ship-yard. If we were able to put the funds which were spoke into ship-yard production the rest of those funds could go to exploration class ships, ofcourse we dont want all the money from the fleet, just some to help us get going.

Stated earlier by Luna I- You wish to put the new desings into production for the mars project and sale for flyer to earth purchusers-Approved on both subjects.

Also of intrest-The desing for Electroplasma afterburners is really promissing, we hope to have a prototype completed and available for testing within one month.

We don't really want a independant mission persay, we just want to explore areas that the fleet hasn't ventured into. We don't want to suck up funds which could be put to better use.

We also have intrest in production of a ship-yard. If we were able to put the funds which were spoke into ship-yard production the rest of those funds could go to exploration class ships, ofcourse we dont want all the money from the fleet, just some to help us get going.

There is no better use in which to dispense with Fleet assets than to further the spirit of exploration, a primary charter of the International Fleet - what do you have in mind?

Basiclly we want to go where no man has gone before. As man leaped into the stars he follows certain routes, we wish to find new routes. Travelling outward to pluto and beyond has been done, we would like to use a linear lines of travell perhaps straight up or down from the poles of earth.

Know what I mean????
-the map is like looking at earth from the moon-

Basiclly we want to go where no man has gone before. As man leaped into the stars he follows certain routes, we wish to find new routes. Travelling outward to pluto and beyond has been done, we would like to use a linear lines of travell perhaps straight up or down from the poles of earth.

Know what I mean????
-the map is like looking at earth from the moon-

acording to planetary physics you will find most of the physical population of material and interesting discoveries on the Solar plain.

What have you detected outside of the plain that warrants a mission?

If Porto Calus checks in here we welcome him to the IF - he has expressed his desire to join the IF at the 2020 Initiative thread.

We dont have any concrete evidance,It's just a gut feeling. Big Bang theory? Exploson's force out energy in a sphere pattern, unhindered upon release would eventuly spread the solar system in such a pattern. It's just a therey but one worth looking into.

Perhaps we could use the funds to look into this in greater detail, Much would have to be finalized before this mission could get underway.

Also FYI- What if the solar system today was just a larger planet countless years ago which exploded for unknown reasons???? After the dust settles there could be a similar pattern of todays system???? (just one of the many teaser's which plauge my mind)

We dont have any concrete evidance,It's just a gut feeling. Big Bang theory? Exploson's force out energy in a sphere pattern, unhindered upon release would eventuly spread the solar system in such a pattern. It's just a therey but one worth looking into.

Perhaps we could use the funds to look into this in greater detail, Much would have to be finalized before this mission could get underway.

Also FYI- What if the solar system today was just a larger planet countless years ago which exploded for unknown reasons???? After the dust settles there could be a similar pattern of todays system???? (just one of the many teaser's which plauge my mind)

The idea that material exsist above and below the solar plain is an unsubstainciated hunch - not a theory, Councilor. Show us your references, your data, and findings and we will spare the manufacturing facilities for a quarter so that you can construct a serries of probes. Besides that much I dont think we could support such a mission without more credible proff

OOC: Greater Beijing send me a message, to my country with a link tothis thread,so Im in?
I hope so

IC:the Great nation of Porto Calus invates all nation govermente chief to this great celebration party of this new era to Porto Calus
the first spacial building is just startedto be build, and we hope in 10 or 15 years have ths spacial station conected to earth, and we will be able to construct paceships in low budget on space
so, all of you are invated to this great party
João from Porto Calus

For staters, nothing we knew is guaranted, this is simply are way of feeling like we have everything figuered out, when we truly only know a small protion of the galaxy and it's contents. Now I dont wish to disupt your claims, however I feel like evidance could be presented on my part.

First we have a shot of a galaxy known as NGC-891. Picture if you will the blue dot as earth and smaller red dots as other stars, contained within the lines drawn at top and bottom. How can you say major systems couldnt devolope on a lower plain then ours when they are clearly scattered about?

Second we have provided a star chart of the northern and southern hemispheres. Your scientists can go over the findings and make there own conclusions.

We are prepared to agree to disagree, and therefore would be willing to settle on probes if nessicery, only in the intrest of moving things along. If this is the case we will devolope our own probes and would ask for funding to devolope state of the art ship-yards on earth and orbit.

Also at this time I would like to mention ships might be built quicker if we construct different modules in diffrent nations then transport them to orbital finishing yards! Of course this might require all nations to use one class of fleet built ship. (well not just one class, but more of nations not doing other indy style ship building when the fleet is the greater cause)

Ministry of Scientific Devolopment,
Minister-Otto, VonHeich
-The Empire of Buben-

OOC-if the shipbuilding thing is already working that way, sorry for not paying attention.

Also- The Empire wishes to formally welcome the member of Poto Calus to the International Fleet-

Are you going to join the region Porto Calus?

Hmmm - I recommend an Ares class exploration cruiser be dedicated to the Buben Ministry of Scientific Development so that they can take command of thier own exploration and scintific missions. The Manufacturing and resource aquisition capacity should enable them ample aid in building the orbital yards they want to while evaluating the future scope of thier extra-solar missions.

We petition Luna I [if it has been decided already that the Expediitonary Wing is now under his management] that the 1.3 trillion neccesary for the construction of a new Ares be defered and completely covered by IF assets.

Nubrium Imperator, Ferinsha Maximus Laterialus

You know the IF Budget is only 800 bln even if you add the govrnment waste to the 7.5% tax on the regional gdp.
You forget me, i'm still here. 1.8+ billion population and frightening economy :)
Should we all move to one Region?

I propose Resolution 7

That we the members of the International Fleet move to a region founded by us and empowered by us - the council.

I'd prefer if it's kept optional. I'll drop in from time to time, though.

Budget Proposal 02

I think we should organize the budget into divisions, Orbital[Earth], Lunar, Ares[Mars], Jupiter, Titan[Saturn]. And allocate a percent of the overall IF budget to the different divisions. Each Division to be managed by 1 member of the IF.

I bid to manage Lunar Division operations for 9% of the IF budget if this resolution passes.

OK.

Budget proposal 02 was amended to included standard annual allocations to the International Fleet Orbital Guard & Defense Initiatives. And the Expeditionary[exploration directorate] wing - which Luna I has made a bid for management besides the Lunar Division.

what say you of this, hhrmm?

Budget proposal 02 was amended to included standard annual allocations to the International Fleet Orbital Guard & Defense Initiatives.
How much, exactly?
And the Expeditionary[exploration directorate] wing - which Luna I has made a bid for management besides the Lunar Division.
No problem there.

Hmmm - I recommend an Ares class exploration cruiser be dedicated to the Buben Ministry of Scientific Development so that they can take command of thier own exploration and scintific missions. The Manufacturing and resource aquisition capacity should enable them ample aid in building the orbital yards they want to while evaluating the future scope of thier extra-solar missions.


We agree upon the recommdation of the member from Nubrium and wish to express thanks on our behalf, A Ares class cruiser would be perfect since were not out there looking for a fight! We are not however a bunch of cheapskates and are willing to invest in the building of said ship.

We will currently begin specs for new improved long range probes, which we will make available to the council once completed.

Ministry of Scientific Devolopment
Minister-Otto VonHeich
-Empire of Buben-

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nubrium
Budget proposal 02 was amended to included standard annual allocations to the International Fleet Orbital Guard & Defense Initiatives.


How much, exactly?



Total International Fleet assets - 10.355 trillion [ 10,355,659,875,000.00 ]

33% - 3.417 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives[managed by the council]
17% - 1.760 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division[managed by Luna I]
9% - 932 bln - Lunar Division[managed by Luna I]
8% - 828.453 bln - Orbital Division[managed by Zhejiang]

33% - 3.417 tln - unalocated/invested funds.
acumulative to date total unalocated fleet assets - 61.325 tln

Annual assets are up 145 billion over last year without the addition of any new member naitons.

Total International Fleet assets - 10.355 trillion [ 10,355,659,875,000.00 ]

33% - 3.417 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives[managed by the council]
17% - 1.760 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division[managed by Luna I]
9% - 932 bln - Lunar Division[managed by Luna I]
8% - 828.453 bln - Orbital Division[managed by Zhejiang]

33% - 3.417 tln - unalocated/invested funds.
acumulative to date total unalocated fleet assets - 61.325 tln

Annual assets are up 145 billion over last year without the addition of any new member naitons.

Uh, and I hate to ask, how much of that am I paying? :p

Also- The Empire wishes to formally welcome the member of Poto Calus to the International Fleet-
We say thanks to the warm welcome
I hope to contribute with this space program
not just the spacial building
but with research in new spaceships and materials to turn spacetravel cheaper to all countries
and more profitable too
João from Porto Calus

Ialready send spaçeshuttle to earth orbit to build a station about 350km above
is called Porto Um(means Port One)
the firt goal is to kee a spacestation online andhaving a minimu requirement from earth, energy been collcted from sun by conversors and oxigen been recycled from dioxid of carbon
the iniciarstation tis part of a great ring that will be finished in 5years
and will be 40km of diameter and will be included a place to build new ships, many laboratory with zero gravity, a place for ship maintenance, space dock to receive and load cargo to other part of this sistem
Now just include a part of system, the initial core from that will bem build the conectort to earth, andto build all ring
the core
this is the heart of all station, frm that will be managed the construction of the entire station called Porto Solaris
porto Um is made by four parts
first part - crew rooms, that includ all infraestructure to life of the crew who will build the firt goal of this stations, the conector to earth
we can mantein 500men living and this people will bee change in periods of 6moths of space, and 6months in earth
second part- storage room- where will keep all material to build the conectors from earth
third part - comunication and command center - where all the station will bem managed included the construction and assempled of the great project
fourh part- the life suport sistem, where will bem collecte garbage, ar and water recycled, energy fom sun will be stored in batteries
Porto Um is a smal ring with 100m of diameter and high of 30meter divided in 4
part already mentioned
so,if somone wish to help in this great project,and I hope all memeber suport this idea, in the future will havesome benefits from the station
next Ill tell about the 2nd part of this great station
João from Porto Calus

If you could revise your attached shipyard plans to double the current capacity and to use our manufacturing and construction practices we are willing to fund up to 33% of the Porto Um and Porto Solaris projects - I will adjust the next International Fleet Expeditionary Division budget to include the allocation if you except - it would also be concedered as the 4th Official International Fleet Shipyards, behind Luna I's Gateway Station, Exetonia Station, and the Lunar Nubrium Shipyards

Uh, and I hate to ask, how much of that am I paying? :p

Theres the standard IF tax on member GDPs curently 7.5%, governments waste and have of your military budget - once again you fall under the protection of the IFDI and the Orbital Guard and it is all managed towards manned space flight well within the current operations.

Are you prepared to make a bid on the Ares Division, Kanabia?

Annual International Fleet assets - 17.523 trillion [ 17,523,434,450,000.00 ]

33% - 5.782 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives[managed by the council]
17% - 2.978 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division[managed by Luna I]
9% - 1.577 tln - Lunar Division[managed by Luna I]
8% - 1.401 tln - Orbital Division[managed by Zhejiang]

33% - 5.782 tln - unalocated/invested funds.
acumulative to date total unalocated fleet assets - 87.170 tln

Annual assets are up 2.38 trillion over last year with the addition of two new member nations, Romulan Territories and Porto Calus - welcome to the Union of the Mighty International Fleet :D

We certainly are getting mighty-Any word on the ship for our use of exploration?

We certainly are getting mighty-Any word on the ship for our use of exploration?

The IFS Spirit is 79% Complete it will be done in record time within 4 months - main power is already online and internal manufacturing & construction arrays are intest phases - you may begin shipping command and science crews anytime now.

*Takes personal yaght to the new starship for a tour. :D

*After visting the IFSpirit, The councilor from the empire sent word for crew shipments to begin,as there was much preperation still to cover!*

Also wish to inform the council that the electroplasma drives for the quick-flyer have been promising, a proto type is almost ready for testing.

Councilman for Empire of Buben
-A,Deveaurx-

Porto Calus thanks the warm welcome from Luna I

We, from Proto Calus, desire to estabilish a mine in the earth´s moon and a colector on orbit of earth to get all spacial garbage to recicle and give him a better use then be a dangerous to our space station

the station
2nd part
the firts ring to be build will be 200m of diameter and will have all infraestructure to assemble and make mantenance of spaceships
the deadline to this ring is 2 years for full operation
the second ring from the station will be 800m of diameter and contein labs with zero gravity and places to biological experiments about impact on human of zero gravity and life on space
the deadline to this ring is 5 years for full operation
João from Porto Calus

Well, goodluck with that Porto Calus

Do you guys think 230 mln is too small a price for a terrawatt range reactor?
Uranium-Tetraflouride Vapor Core reactor w/ a magneto-plasma-dynamic electric converter cell.

The Nation of --Hong--Kong-- would love to join SECIF due to the offer given by Greater Beijing, to know abut our nation, visit this link - http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=369335&page=1&pp=15

Thanks Luna I

We need a mine in moon to extract some natural resources for our station
this will require a small base on moon, and is unde construction with and dead end in 2 years, because its cheaper to transport materials from moon than from earth
the base on moon will be calle Porto Lua(means Port Moon)
since the beggining we have 3 spaceshuttles(Porto, Galeão(galleon) and Cabral) now we are put on serviçe more two spaceshuttles
Inca and Tupi
if someone require our help
just ask
João From Porto Calus

The Nation of --Hong--Kong-- would love to join SECIF due to the offer given by Greater Beijing, to know abut our nation, visit this link - http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=369335&page=1&pp=15

Welcome. Youve been added to the now 13 member trade and space exploration bloc. We put down an offer I am prepared to adjust the Lunar and Expeditionary division budgets of the IF to facilitate at your thread - as it concerns your territories.

It involves an initial 32 bln asset transfer for the aquisition of building land for a new aerospaceport at Hoi Ha, East Hong Kong.

Thanks Luna I

We need a mine in moon to extract some natural resources for our station
this will require a small base on moon, and is unde construction with and dead end in 2 years, because its cheaper to transport materials from moon than from earth
the base on moon will be calle Porto Lua(means Port Moon)
since the beggining we have 3 spaceshuttles(Porto, Galeão(galleon) and Cabral) now we are put on serviçe more two spaceshuttles
Inca and Tupi
if someone require our help
just ask
João From Porto Calus

If you require financial assistance with these programs w are prepared to adjust the relevant IF Division budgets.

Annual International Fleet assets - 17.623 trillion [ 17,623,813,925,000.00 ]

33% - 5.816 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives[managed by the council]
17% - 2.996 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division[managed by Luna I]
9% - 1.586 tln - Lunar Division[managed by Luna I]
8% - 1.410 tln - Orbital Division[managed by Zhejiang]
7% - 1.234 tln - Ares Division[managed by the council]
7% - 1.234 tln - Jupiter Division[managed by the council]
7% - 1.234 tln - Titan Division[managed by the council]
5% - 881.191 bln - Deepspace Unmanned Exploration Initiaitves[managed by the council]

7% - 1.234 tln - unalocated/invested funds.
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet assets - 69.325 tln

Annual assets are up with the addition of 2 new member nations - we are 14.

Yes
we think this help will be a great value
to build this mine on moon, we´ll require some amount of money
we calculate the final bill for this mine as US$1 billion, and we have US$500millions to build this mine, and we offer society on this mine in half of profits of this mine to all who wants to invest on it
the only thing we do not open question, is the administration of this mine, will be administrated of by porto calus´ people
other things can be negociated
Joao from Porto Calus

Really sorry guys, but i'm going to have to withdraw. I simply haven't the time, being involved with other organisations as well. :(

Really sorry guys, but i'm going to have to withdraw. I simply haven't the time, being involved with other organisations as well. :(

We accept your offer to step down as a high-councilor without debate.
You will remain a member of the Fleet and under the protection of IF defense initiatives and your nation a benifeciary of the trade agreements of this Union indefinitly, until you can return to the service of this council or should you decide to withdraw completely from membership in the International Fleet.

Best of luck to you in your endevours in other organizations.

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Debate on Future Deepspace Exploration Missions - Manned or Unmanned.

Buben recommends a massive colony ship with provisions for colonist in missions to other starsytems.
But concedering the unknowns we dont believe we could successfully prepare a colony ship for every possibility, including but not limited to no planets to land on, and no resources to aquire to aid the human population. So we recommend an array of AI and Robotics aboard 3 modifiyed Alpha Class Exploration Cruisers.

We say both unmanned and manned missions to 1 starsystem

We should study our local group of stars to decide the best chance of a ground breaking experience using available Infra-red, radio and optical analysist telescopic data.

I say the Centuari system apromately 4.3 lightyears away may be a good choice - there may be a field of Asteroids at the center of the stars and planets beyond the primaries or within the Binary.

We design and launch both ships at the same time - the robotic ship will be able to travel at a higher acceleration constant without human occupants and the manned colonial class ship will be able to prepare missions based on the information we get back from the AI ship. If at all feasable a permanent presence should be explored on the scene, while maintaining the option ot go home for the explorers who want to in an exploration class cruiser which could be built on the way to Centuari - if the situation on the scene looks promissing to the colonist - they could use the manufacturing complex of the 3rd ship to help establish a self-suficient colony.

Now
as I speak, some probes are scaning the moon, in searsh for a place to build this mine, in order to increase the speed the construction of porto calus´ ring in space
the mine will be divided in 3 parts
1st part
mine itself
2nd part
siderurgy in moon to made the rawmaterial into usefull material to just bem assembled in the rings
3rd part
spaceport where the good will be loaded to the rings

dead end for the building of this moon mine is in a year
the goal with this mine is to decrease the costs of the ring in 30%
its the amount of money spend with the spacesshuttle to take off and land in earth itself
I knows the distance from moon to the ring is bigger than earth to the rings
but, from moon to rings the cost is, at least, 50% cheaper than earth to the rings
because moon´s gravity is 6times weaker than earth´s gravity
thats make the travel cheaper from moon than from earth
João from Porto Calus

Maybe this can help Porto http://lunarrepublic.com/atlas/index.shtml

Luna I I believe has its primary mining operation in and around Copernicus Crater. Nubium is @ the Nubrium plains. Good luck in picking a site.

We have recently finished test's on the quickflyer and all is finished! They are currently awaiting production in any members ship-yards. Are ship-yard should be up and running withing the year.

Also are long range probes seem promising, Work on establishing a smaller drive for the probe is hard going and we can't get a power source big enough for the converted electroplasma drives!

Now are devolopment department has been working on a fighter class,called the SRF-1, Seems promising however are weapons will need to be provide by the fleet!

One More thing, All members are welcome to attend the festivities that are planned for the launch of are first ship!

Councilman for Empire of Buben
-A,Deveaurx-

We accept your offer to step down as a high-councilor without debate.
You will remain a member of the Fleet and under the protection of IF defense initiatives and your nation a benifeciary of the trade agreements of this Union indefinitly, until you can return to the service of this council or should you decide to withdraw completely from membership in the International Fleet.

Best of luck to you in your endevours in other organizations.

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Debate on Future Deepspace Exploration Missions - Manned or Unmanned.

Buben recommends a massive colony ship with provisions for colonist in missions to other starsytems.
But concedering the unknowns we dont believe we could successfully prepare a colony ship for every possibility, including but not limited to no planets to land on, and no resources to aquire to aid the human population. So we recommend an array of AI and Robotics aboard 3 modifiyed Alpha Class Exploration Cruisers.

Cheers :)

Maybe this can help Porto http://lunarrepublic.com/atlas/index.shtml

Luna I I believe has its primary mining operation in and around Copernicus Crater. Nubium is @ the Nubrium plains. Good luck in picking a site.

Thanks Zhejiang
Lunar i, if you dont have anything against this mine
we´ll wait for you answer to build
after that
its a greeat site for this mine
we´ll start to build this mine in 2weeks max
after Lunar I answer
we´ll use to dig mecanically not using explosives
we dont know the power of TNT on moon
pehaps Luna I can give us a little help on this research about TNT explosions on Moon
João de Porto Calus

well
this mine is underway
we start to build and in 1year will be functional and mora 6months to be 100% funcional
thsi first ring is lread on, and people a building this 2nd ing and in 6 or 7month will be finished
in 2010 we expect to have at leat 4ring builded
the las ring will bem concluded in 1015
if this great ring be a great sucess
we hope to put our greates project
a great ring around all planet to give to all coutries the possibilite to acess space without spend too much money
Joao from Porto Calus

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Memberstates of the Council[18]:
Luna I
Luna II
Greater Beijing
Shandong-Jiangsu
Zhejiang
Nubrium
Kanabia
Exetonia Minor
Endenia
Roman Republic
Pentova
Buben
Porto Calus
Romulan Territories
--Hong--Kong--
Antonian States
Phobos City
British-Columbia
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Annual International Fleet assets - 21.114 trillion [ 20,114,103,150,000.00 ]

33% - 6.637 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives[managed by the council]
17% - 3.419 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division[managed by Luna I]
9% - 1.810 tln - Lunar Division[managed by Luna I]
8% - 1.609 tln - Orbital Division[managed by Zhejiang]
7% - 1.408 tln - Ares Division[managed by the council]
7% - 1.408 tln - Jupiter Division[managed by the council]
7% - 1.408 tln - Titan Division[managed by the council]
5% - 1.006 tln - Deepspace Unmanned Exploration Initiaitves[managed by the council]

7% - 1.408 tln - annual surplus to be invested
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet assets - 119.325 tln

Annual assets are up 2.131 tln with the addition of 4 new member nations - we are 18.

We officially welcome the new nations in the Union of the International Fleet - we thank you for fowarding the destiny of man in space in the timeless tradition of the spirit of exploration in all of mankind.

Prime Minister, Sun Jiang

I've seen that if youre on the council you can make a bid for the management of a IF Division and make proposals. I Propose to releive the council of the task of managing the Ares Division and Deepspace Unmanned Exploration Initiatives currently projected to be worth 12% of the International Fleet annual budget this year valued at 2.414 tln.

These funds will cover the developement and construction of the Future Inter-Steller Launch site @Phobos City - a Micro-gravity Shipyards of unparalleled manufacturing and shipbuilding capacity and scale. The new division will be named Phobos and we will be furthering the primary charter of the Fleet with this new priority - it will eventually lead to the colonization of other stars - truely fowarding the spirit inherent in all of mankind, that of exploration.

The proposed Phobos Division budget - 12% - IF annual resources - 2.4 tln [ 2.413.692.378.000.00 ]
21% - 506.875 bln - construction
19% - 458.602 bln - research & development
18% - 434.465 bln - manufacturing & industrialization initiatives on Mars
12% - 289.643 bln - planetary mining operation initiatives
11% - 265.506 bln - natural sciences & astrophysics institutes@phobos city
09% - 217.232 bln - vehicle & ship foundry
06% - 144.822 bln - maintenence and fiscal aid initiatives for Mars industries
04% - 96.5477 bln - exploration initiatives out of Phobos and Mars

We require the vote of the active council for the consolidation of the above divisions and the founding of the ISL@Phobos. We ask for your vote!

you got it - I dont see a better bid for the roles you describe.

I vote Yes on the Phobos proposal.

I dont fore see any proplem with Phobos plan, and therefore vote YES

We welcome our newest member Shadow Tech to the council as a member state of the International Fleet.

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Exetonia Minor has unvieled the construction project of a suppercapital class warship ot the international community above the International Fleet Defense Initiative's Orbital Guard and in direct violation of the primary charter of the International Fleet and its foward mission to disarm space for the free and peaceful exploration and industrialization of its assets.

The Primary charter strickly prohibits the independant developement space-borne combat systems by member nations and unaproved research and developement into such systems outside of the International Fleets combined defense initiatives established in the act of 2023.

We await Exetonia reply concerning these developments before taking a vote for his ejection from this council and/or taking military actions to reaquire or destroy IF invested assets at Exetonia Station.

The Exetonia Minor deputy ambassador to the IF Council at gateway station had no comment and was genuinely as he put it "out of the loop".

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7426774&posted=1#post7426774

We vote yes on the Phobos Division proposal and support the initiative to begin the ISL@Phobos.

We welcome Shadow Tech to the council and the International Fleet

And we have made our stance on the issue of Exetonia Minor clear at http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7426774&posted=1#post7426774

we demand an official statement from exetonia minor before pushing for any motion for action here by the orbital guard or the IFDC.

Exetonia is a member of the Galactic empire and is no longer required to give reasons to this puny pathetic allaince. You may consider this my resignation and any assult will be met with due force from the ENTIRE empire.... you have been warned. The location of thsi construction project is a secret and should annihilate you for knowing of its existance...(ooc:THT WAS A SECRET IC) you have been warned...

As a new member - I'm not sure its my place to do so - but as a duely apointed representative of Phobos City and an International Fleet Councilor I accept your resignation.

OOC::I'm assuming Luna I will update the membership list to represent the change soon enough. And Galactic Empire? I've never heard of a galactic empire - are we all sure we are playing within the 2050 year boundary? If not I will be more than happy to ignore the comments, particularly, "pathetic" & "tiny".

In the words of one of my contemporary councilors - BITE.

In light of our volitile situation in space I recommend we tap into our invested reserves in efforts to rush to completion all shipyards and to construct a supercapital shipyards array at the Intersteller Launch @ Phobos. I also believe we could channel the funds of the Orbital Division into the Orbital Guard and IFD Command in Earth Orbit at Gateway Station. If you also include the 7% of currently annual surplused resources this would amount to a new annual total of 9.453 tln in defense expenditures. 48% of the International Fleet annual budget. So it would look like...
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48% - 9.453 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 3.419 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 2.414 tln - ISL-Phobos Division
9% - 1.810 tln - Lunar Division
7% - 1.408 tln - Jupiter Division
7% - 1.408 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet assets - 119.325 tln
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Holy crap! Exetonia resigned!? We should slay these traitors! Burn it. :D

We vote yes on the consolidation and increased expenditures in the IFDC and Orbital Guard. And we vote yes on the ISL @ Phobos

Did I miss anything - I better start reading, Ive been away for a while.

Exetonia is a member of the Galactic empire and is no longer required to give reasons to this puny pathetic allaince. You may consider this my resignation
We except your resignation you double-tongued, dishonorable inbred. I hope they recognize you for who you are in the Galactic Empire before you double cross them as well.

...and any assult will be met with due force from the ENTIRE empire.... you have been warned. The location of thsi construction project is a secret and should annihilate you for knowing of its existance...(ooc:THT WAS A SECRET IC) you have been warned...

The petty threats of an infant culture does not scare the Mighty Joint Forces of the International Fleet - should you succeed in convincing the GE of aggresion against the IF we will respond accordingly, and decisively - not even your region on Earth will be safe if you spill IF blood.

Oh yeah and Shandong-Jiangsu we've aquired 17 Carriers, 51 stealth missle-heavy cruisers and 357 escorts/destroyers from the Roman Republic and other suppliers for the Democratic Union of Asia.

This will work for now no?

In light of our volitile situation in space I recommend we tap into our invested reserves in efforts to rush to completion all shipyards and to construct a supercapital shipyards array at the Intersteller Launch @ Phobos. I also believe we could channel the funds of the Orbital Division into the Orbital Guard and IFD Command in Earth Orbit at Gateway Station. If you also include the 7% of currently annual surplused resources this would amount to a new annual total of 9.453 tln in defense expenditures. 48% of the International Fleet annual budget. So it would look like...
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48% - 9.453 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 3.419 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 2.414 tln - ISL-Phobos Division
9% - 1.810 tln - Lunar Division
7% - 1.408 tln - Jupiter Division
7% - 1.408 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet assets - 119.325 tln
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[ APROVED ]

Oh yeah and Shandong-Jiangsu we've aquired 17 Carriers, 51 stealth missle-heavy cruisers and 357 escorts/destroyers from the Roman Republic and other suppliers for the Democratic Union of Asia.

This will work for now no?

That will stop the naval element of China - or at least delay them long enough for an IF response. This is great news. Within 20 years I see. We're going to need more IF Gunships and Attack Fighters based at strategic locations until we get those ships.

This shouldnt be a problem to work out with Luna I.

Shadow Tech, being a member of the GE as well, does not understand these claims of retaliation by Exetonia. We vote yes for the increased expenditures in the Orbital Guard and IFDC. Shadow Tech pledges our support to the IF in case of war between our peoples and the Galactic Empire.

We will also donate 8,000 Ghost Maker class fighters to the protection of the IF but need to know were to send them. We do not have the necessary manpower to pilot them as well.

Please note that these fighters are not *the* most expensive vessels to date and are small. They are however reliable and are believed to be a fine addition to any protectorate force.

Shadow Tech, being a member of the GE as well, does not understand these claims of retaliation by Exetonia. We vote yes for the increased expenditures in the Orbital Guard and IFDC. Shadow Tech pledges our support to the IF in case of war between our peoples and the Galactic Empire.

We will also donate 8,000 Ghost Maker class fighters to the protection of the IF but need to know were to send them. We do not have the necessary manpower to pilot them as well.

Please note that these fighters are not *the* most expensive vessels to date and are small. They are however reliable and are believed to be a fine addition to any protectorate force.

We apreciate your support and welcome to the council

We would like to integrate your Ghost Maker fighters into the IF Systems Database and production rights.

On the topic of pilots you need not worry we have a network of AI controllers and excellect robotic manufacturing arrays that have satisfyied our logistics issues. Our level 3 AI constructs can serve as excellent pilots. International Fleet Defense Command believes we are most vulerable in Earth orbit and near Mars/Phobos. Fighters should be deployed to gateway station, phobos city and your own assets.

Yeah, what he said. :sniper: :D

For an alliance that wants to keep space neutral and despises the fact that Exetonia was building ships; you seem to be building quite the armory...

Exetonia Minor has every right to leave any alliance at any time with which he so chooses. Your constant threats towards the Galactic Empire are unjust and obviously aggressive. Your new campaign of massive rearmament goes against everything your alliance stands for and therefore you integrity and moral stance has severely been weakened in the eyes of the Galactic Empire. The Senate and the Emperor has in no place declared open hostility towards your quaint alliance, however if you insist on continuing with your obvious plans of aggression against the Empire you will fall. We request to know where if any we have declared our open intentions for invasion or aggressive plans, it is you and your alliance that is preparing for war. I advise you cease now or face the consequences.

I assure you any more military build ups will be constituted as an act of war and we will destroy everything in our way.

This is your first and only warning. Do not expect this rare courtesy again.

http://www.concentric.net/~bbortin/lord_vader.jpg

Lord Vader
Heir to the Empire


OOC: If you are not prepared to lose everything don’t bother rping with me. As I take no prisoners.

OOC::And what year exactly is it that you guys RP, more or less.
If its not limited to 2050 then we have no intention of RPing with you

And I agree Exetonia had the right as does anybody else in the International Fleet to leave at the time of his or her choosing.

And our increases in the expenditure of defense forces does not preclude the possibility of those ships being reoutfitted for scientific missions once security has been addressed - weather or not that threat comes from you guys or modern tech earth emergent space weapons programs. We are just preparing for the possibilities and will continue to do so - your accusation of this being out of character is incorrect and in my opinion demonstrates only a shallow analysis of the facts.

Now. Cant we all just get along?! :D

OOC: Perhaps the big large picture of Darth Vader gives you a hint. We rp with complete Imperial tech from Star Wars. Jeeeeesh, 2050 how do you guys do it. So small so small scale :(

Annual International Fleet assets - 22.293 trillion [ 22,293,018,800,000.00 ]
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48% - 10.7 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 3.789 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 2.675 tln - ISL-Phobos Division
9% - 2.006 tln - Lunar Division
7% - 1.561 tln - Jupiter Division
7% - 1.561 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet assets - 121.986 tln
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Net annual assets are up 2.148 tln with the addition of 2 new member nations and accounting for the resignation of Exetonia Minour - we are 18.
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OOC: Now considdering most of the Empires members are 100 times larger than most of your members I dare say that the Empire could easily out finance you. In all honesty your natio size means nothing. One Super Star Destroyer and its fleet escort could most likely deal with you. Stand Down or we will take this as confirmation that your going to rp with us and we will turn your nation into new "members" of the Galactic Empire.

OOC: Perhaps the big large picture of Darth Vader gives you a hint. We rp with complete Imperial tech from Star Wars. Jeeeeesh, 2050 how do you guys do it. So small so small scale :(


Makes things interesting - and uhmm yeah, if you could, stay in the Galaxy far, far away ;) we'd apreciate that - I guess I didnt see the implication behind the name when I seen Galactic Empire on your thread - when Exetonia Minor said Emperor I thought he was refereing to his Local Administration on Earth - as it turns out - you guys are in a diferent universe and Roleplay wouldnot be compatible.

If I could I'd apear behind you with 2 light-sabres in hands out of no where and challenge you to the usual 3 month long duel of fates. :D But we dont roleplay that here.

limiting our tech to 2050 makes thing challenging like trying to realistically prove we can do what we claim we can do in space. We've already been critiqued by nations like Five-Civilized on realism but we are trying.

anyway cya Exetonia Minor - no hard feelings, if you feel you need to RP a war, we were eventually going to get to that here in the IF but whatever - have fun.

Maybe in a hundred years we'd be more competitive - yeah if youre willing to concede for now that RP wouldnt work out - Ill promise you a good ole war sometime next year if youre still around

Homeworld Tech vs Starwars Tech

Considering that Shadow Tech doesn't base itself on Earth and that we are connected via a wormhole our technology is slightly ahead.

Considering that Shadow Tech doesn't base itself on Earth and that we are connected via a wormhole our technology is slightly ahead.

say when your nation arived via wormwhole was most of your advanced tech lost through the destablized exit vortex - this would bring you more or less within our timeframe, tech wise. :D

Well yea that is what I'm assuming. (Otherwise those fighters I'm donateing would have extensive FTL capabilities :) ) If we ever do get engaged in a large war, we could use that as an ace of spades so to speak. (Shadow Tech Homesystem is a member of the ESUS and has a large ammount of alliances.)

awe FTL tech wouldve been interesting-unrealistic at this point - maybe we can begin research into what you know about the process now and have it down and ready for the comming war.

I guess I should pen down "The Prophecy" now huh? :D Something about the End Time and the Great War.

I gotta go

OOC-So does this mean we just act like extonia wasnt here, Are does there going to star wars land still apply to our rp? :confused:

I think your first inference is correct - never existed - as he had the wrong universe in mind - now hes where he belongs for his style of RP.

we will probably go up against him and the rest of the galactic empire when we are ready.

I think it would add to the history a little more if we say he was here, but was exiled from the IF for warmonging. :)

OOC:also a good idea - and then perhaps say he was sucked up by a travelling wormhole.

IC

Phobos City and foward International Fleet elements in the vicinity of Mars to begin construction of the new Intersteller Launch at Phobos by draging the remains of Deimos to and fusing it with Phobos - Deimos will eventually be completely obliterated by mining and the ISL will take form on the opposite side of Phobos where the the scafolds for the super-structure are already being constructed and/or being installed on the surface.

We estimate it will take 19-22 years to complete the construction of the ISL@Phobos.

We want ot send a expecicion to out limits of solar sytem with this goal
find new planet to star a colony on him
our research find a system outside, far some lightyears
We are opening to sugests and partners
João from Porto Calus

We will be ready to design and launch such missions from the ISL when it is built within 21 years now.

We could start working out the details of the mission now - but the nearest stars to earth are in the centuari system 4.3 light years away. We know that there is a comet shield outside of plutos orbit. besides that most scientist have concluded based on negative interferometry that theres not much else between us and Centauri apoximatly 4.3 light years out.

As a sign of goodwill and in the advancement of your cause; as way of an apology, the Imperium would like to provide you with blueprints for FTL travel; most notably Hyperdrives and Warpdrives.

OOC: Now considdering most of the Empires members are 100 times larger than most of your members I dare say that the Empire could easily out finance you. In all honesty your natio size means nothing. One Super Star Destroyer and its fleet escort could most likely deal with you. Stand Down or we will take this as confirmation that your going to rp with us and we will turn your nation into new "members" of the Galactic Empire.

Is a mock war possible - cause I'm not sure I'd agree. We have the Revelation, Carriers, Anti-Fighter, Heavy Fire support & Bomber Corvettes and goodfighters with excellent loadout capacities as well.

I think we could handle the Tie-fighter swarm and the escorts. And if the Escorts are too close to the SSD for the corvettes and fighters to get close enough - we could always unleash a hail of triple-alpha class fussion torpedos - in concert with the extended range directed energy weapons we have available should be enough to wax a single SSD Group. That is, in the opinion of our chief of general staff at Phobos, General Yuliup Vegas.

:D :gundge:

As a sign of goodwill and in the advancement of your cause; as way of an apology, the Imperium would like to provide you with blueprints for FTL travel; most notably Hyperdrives and Warpdrives.

Cant wait to take one apart. :D

Perhaps now, one day, you can prove to be worthy adversarys ;) For now thouhg; we will merely watch and wait.

Perhaps now, one day, you can prove to be worthy adversarys ;) For now thouhg; we will merely watch and wait.

;) :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :gundge: :sniper:

We will be ready to design and launch such missions from the ISL when it is built within 21 years now.

We could start working out the details of the mission now - but the nearest stars to earth are in the centuari system 4.3 light years away. We know that there is a comet shield outside of plutos orbit. besides that most scientist have concluded based on negative interferometry that theres not much else between us and Centauri apoximatly 4.3 light years out.

Thanks Phobos City
We want to send a mission to there soon
in 6 mothns we will everything prepared
if you want to send someone, just lem me know
we will send the firts mission toout of solar sistem
called PCEF, porto calus expedicionary forçe
João from Porto Calus

As a sign of goodwill and in the advancement of your cause; as way of an apology, the Imperium would like to provide you with blueprints for FTL travel; most notably Hyperdrives and Warpdrives.
This will hlp on our travel to Alpha Centauri
an wil make possible new desings to our spaçecrafts
beucasause our research our spaçesshipsonly get on Warp 1.2
and We want to gent at lesta on Warp 4.5
but with our today tech level, its virtually unavaluble, because its to dangerous and to expansive to build,and keep this kind of warpdrive
We suraly thanks your generosity
João from Porto Calus

We areassemblin the warp drives onthe right plane in ours ships
in 1 month we will be able to star the mission to Alpha Centauri
anyone want to join?
João from Porto Calus

I actually dont think its a good idea to get into RPing FTL tech yet

Exactly how fast is warp 1.2 or warp 5? How does this work - what are the limits? How expensive will the drives be - can they be built using available manufacturing systems and technologies? I think if we got blueprints for such drives from the heavens above :D - we would still need to study the processes involved before we can integrate a FTLD system into one of our ships.

We should at the very most be messing with experimental science ships and most of them unmanned to figure out materials, guidance-navigation and saftey issues related to FTL flights.

Its just not realistic to jump from our current exploration and mining mission at Mars to Faster than light colonyships to other stars.

Our scientist have discovered a means of producing and projecting quantum singularities, microscopic black-holes, at speeds near that of light and with excellent energy efficiency, scientist believe the implications of developing it as a weapon are promissing and so have turned all data and all hardware over to International Fleet Defense Command and the Orbital Guard for main research and developement and the classification of these systems.

I've re-opened a dialouge with the ISEC in hopes of nailing down a Trade Alliance between our 2 Space Agencies.

I've offered the ISF - the International Space Fleet access to our orbital research facilities and access to a contingent of transports as they are an organization dedicated to the peaceful developement of spaceborne technologies. What they develope could further our primary mission of manned exploration.

I vote that Luna I make the apropriate adjustments in the Expeditionary Division budget to include covering part of the cost of thier future space programs and thier use of our facilities.

Annual International Fleet assets - 23.581 trillion [ 23,581,840,450,000.00 ]
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48% - 11.319 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 4.009 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 2.829 tln - ISL-Phobos Division
9% - 2.122 tln - Lunar Division
7% - 1.651 tln - Jupiter Division
7% - 1.651 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet reserves - 111.235 tln
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Net annual assets are up 1.289 tln without the addition of any new members, fleet reserves down 10.751 tln with emergency allocations to rush to completion the shipyard expansion projects in Earth and Lunar orbit and the ISL@Phobos - we are 18.
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9% - 2.122 tln - Lunar Division Budget
44% - 933.841 bln - Research & Development
22% - 466.920 bln - Facility Maintainence & Construction
20% - 424.473 bln - Education - Luna Institutes of Technology
9% - 191.013 bln - Lunar Colonial Mine grants
5% - 106.118 bln - Transportation
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17% - 4.009 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
28% - 1,122.496 bln - Construction and Maintenance
22% - 881.961 bln - Research & Development
13% - 521.159 bln - ISL@Phobos grants
11% - 440.980 bln - ISF[International Space Fleet] grants
9% - 360.802 bln - Pre-colonial/terraformation Mars Global Survey missions
9% - 360.802 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
8% - 320.713 bln - Transportation
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International Fleet Capital Ships Registry
[ underconstruction ]
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12% of IF annual resources - 2.829 tln [ 2.829.820.854.000.00 ]
- ISL-Phobos Division
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21% - 594.262 bln - construction
19% - 537.666 bln - research & development
18% - 509.368 bln - manufacturing & industrialization initiatives on Mars
12% - 339.579 bln - planetary mining operation initiatives
11% - 311.280 bln - natural sciences & astrophysics institutes@phobos city
09% - 254.684 bln - vehicle & ship foundry
06% - 169.789 bln - maintenence and fiscal aid initiatives for Mars industries
04% - 113.193 bln - exploration initiatives out of Phobos and Mars
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All of SECIF have been invited to the ISEC party, it will be held officially at 2:00 Eastern time. But you may arrive earlier at your discression. Security teams are limited to 6 men, with nonlethal weapons, as Balrogga/Siesatian troops will be guarding the area.
We expect many festivities, including a Sky Show, preformed by Survo, and the launch of a new mars probe. Not to mention the unveiling of the new ISEC laboratories.
Dinner, and dancing, dress is formal according to your various customs. if you are unable to attain a ride in, we have a luxury transport in orbit, that can take you to the ISEC base quickely.

We will be there - just one problem. We are in Mars Orbit - dont bother dispatching a ride - we will be there in 5 months. :D

The ride can be there in 5 seconds. heres the thread..
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7474376

[OOC]: I'm willing to send out a few FTL equipped ships to pick up the visiting representatives. I'm one of the ISECAG (The buncha' FT nations who help the ISEC by giving the members access to limited FT), so i've got the necessary gear.

Any SECIF members who wish to attend the party need simply say so, and a transport shall be there to pick them up (And no, i'm not sending out battleships. I aint wanting to get nations thinking i'm invading)

Uhm we roleplay in the pre 2050 era and we dont think Faster than Light technology miraculously landing in our lap from above is realistic roleplay so with all due respect. Be gone.

Rinceweed, here for all your Orbital defense needs.

The selling of orbital defense systems and spaceborne weapons systems violates the primary charter of the International Fleet and as such we would apreciate it if you didnt come by here again.

Oh, we don't sell the stuff. We just let people hire our protection out if they want, not for offensive purposes.

oh okay thats a relief - but still you're roleplay with future tech stuff and faster than light technology is incompatible with ours which remains circa de 2040 but no later than 2050.

Guys, its a party, and its not like Future Tech nations do the research for the Modern tech ones. We are protectors of ISEC. Example, me and Balrogga both have security guards to patrol it. Normally, I am just the Security Chairman, and Balrogga is Balrogga. But Helveticuz left us in charge in his abscence.

Survo shall sell whatever you wish to anyone you want, including yourselves

I undestand this concerning about warp tech
we made all test an we can assure the safety of this tech
the limits it about warp 7 or 8
ti keep both men and ship integrity at safe
Joao from Porto Calus

Can you define the speeds of your warp scale - and a demonstration of your experimental ships would be forthcoming - it would probably make it easier to get the bell rolling on a new class of exploration cruiser with warp capabilities - or at least a serries of long-range warp-probes.

Hmm. I was wondering myself - warpspeed Ill assume means faster than the speed of light. Maybe with warp 1.0 being lightspeed. But after that what is what? Is warp 2 twice the speed of light or is it a logarythmic or exponential scale, maybe warp 2 would be 10 times the speed of light or e^2 times of the speed of light, which would be about 7.39 times the speed of light. But actualy if we are going to use a exponential scale, warp 1 being the speed of light then maybe the formula should be e^(x) - e + 1 = the actual factor of the speed of light, where x = the warp number. For example e^1 - e + 1 = 1*the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 meters per second. But if you wanted to know what speed is warp 2 you would just let x = 2, then e^2 - e + 1, which equals 5.76 times the speed of light. About 1700055357.31 meters per second or 1700055.36 kilometers per second or 1056591.27 miles per second or 3803728580.68 mph at this speed youd arrive at the closest star in little under a year.

Warp 3 would be about 18.367 times the speed of light or 12320020127.8 mph

This is my proposed scale of warp and yes i know I probably cant hope to travel faster than warp 1 or 2 in my lifetime but maybe we will be capable of travelling much faster in the future.

Just for those who are wondering Warp 10 on this scale means 1477331976230 mph or 22024.75 times the speed of light if I'm right it's about 4.54 years to the other side of the galaxy.

-Sun Xi

Proposal 1023A Orbital Weapons of Mass Destruction Sales and International Joint Developement Bann

*Details negociable - more or less that Members of the IF agree not to sale WMDs and Orbital WMD and agree not to aid another nationstate in the developement of such weapons or related technology.*

To be edited soon. :D

Hmm. I was wondering myself - warpspeed Ill assume means faster than the speed of light. Maybe with warp 1.0 being lightspeed. But after that what is what? Is warp 2 twice the speed of light or is it a logarythmic or exponential scale, maybe warp 2 would be 10 times the speed of light or e^2 times of the speed of light, which would be about 7.39 times the speed of light. But actualy if we are going to use a exponential scale, warp 1 being the speed of light then maybe the formula should be e^(x) - e + 1 = the actual factor of the speed of light, where x = the warp number. For example e^1 - e + 1 = 1*the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 meters per second. But if you wanted to know what speed is warp 2 you would just let x = 2, then e^2 - e + 1, which equals 5.76 times the speed of light. About 1700055357.31 meters per second or 1700055.36 kilometers per second or 1056591.27 miles per second or 3803728580.68 mph at this speed youd arrive at the closest star in little under a year.

Warp 3 would be about 18.367 times the speed of light or 12320020127.8 mph

This is my proposed scale of warp and yes i know I probably cant hope to travel faster than warp 1 or 2 in my lifetime but maybe we will be capable of travelling much faster in the future.

Just for those who are wondering Warp 10 on this scale means 1477331976230 mph or 22024.75 times the speed of light if I'm right it's about 4.54 years to the other side of the galaxy.

-Sun Xi

Your ships don't have to go the speed of light to get places faster. First of all if a ship is too weak it will destroy itself by going to light speed. Another way is to tear a controlled hole in space. Your ship goes through it and arrives where ever you wanted it to go. The holes close after nothing is going through. Although it is a little imprecises at first, after you master the navagation and the technology, it will do wonders.

Your ships don't have to go the speed of light to get places faster. First of all if a ship is too weak it will destroy itself by going to light speed. Another way is to tear a controlled hole in space. Your ship goes through it and arrives where ever you wanted it to go. The holes close after nothing is going through. Although it is a little imprecises at first, after you master the navagation and the technology, it will do wonders.

I believe the Orbital Institutes of Technology at Luna I are working on 2 FTL methods one using a sort of slipstream that provides an inherent inertial buffer to the effects of the incredible acceleration. And the other is similar to the method youve described except we've had trouble with the matter tolerance flows for the controlled wormhole collapse - sometimes space dust and tiny debris will keep the jumppoint open enough to cause local navigational hazards but not open enough for a full vehicle jump. Wierd things have happend in the experiments like getting a trail of probe particles in a perfectly straight line but not moving at all with respect to the motion of the solarsystem. But we're working on it.

I believe the Orbital Institutes of Technology at Luna I are working on 2 FTL methods one using a sort of slipstream that provides an inherent inertial buffer to the effects of the incredible acceleration. And the other is similar to the method youve described except we've had trouble with the matter tolerance flows for the controlled wormhole collapse - sometimes space dust and tiny debris will keep the jumppoint open enough to cause local navigational hazards but not open enough for a full vehicle jump. Wierd things have happend in the experiments like getting a trail of probe particles in a perfectly straight line but not moving at all with respect to the motion of the solarsystem. But we're working on it.

Like I said, it isn't that easy. But I am sure you guys will get it. You seem smart enough.

FTL tech already? I've been away too long. :D
Heya Albinoism, would you be interested in joining the IF?
I was about to work out the annual financial report - would you like to go over the minimal requirements for entry?

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Memberstates of the Council[ 16 ]:
Luna I
Luna II
Greater Beijing
Shandong-Jiangsu
Zhejiang
Nubrium
Kanabia
Roman Republic
Pentova
Buben
Porto Calus
Romulan Territories
--Hong--Kong--
Antonian States
Phobos City
British-Columbia
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Annual International Fleet assets - 28.753 trillion [ 28.753.951.938.300.00 ]
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48% - 13.802 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 4.888 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 3.450 tln - Interstellar Launch-Phobos Division
09% - 2.588 tln - Lunar Division
07% - 2.013 tln - Jupiter Division
07% - 2.013 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet reserves - 162.386 tln
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Net annual assets are up 5.172 tln after the dishonourable discharge of 2 member states, fleet reserves up 51.151 tln with the completion of the shipyard expansion projects in Earth and Lunar orbit and the ISL@Phobos and the additional manufacturing and foundry capabilities yielding more sales revenue - we are 16.
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International Fleet Capital Ships Registry
[ underconstruction ]
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FTL tech already? I've been away too long. :D
Heya Albinoism, would you be interested in joining the IF?
I was about to work out the annual financial report - would you like to go over the minimal requirements for entry?

Sure, why not? I am only ahead about 6 years anyway. I accept your offer.

We are 17 then - this is great!

Lets throw a party and feast - youre all invited to the presidential palace in Beijing. 20 days from now(NS time - thats what 5 seconds from now? Burp)

:D

Welcome to the Fleet.

Welcome Albinoism
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Memberstates of the Council[ 17 ]:
Greater Beijing
Shandong-Jiangsu
Zhejiang
Nubrium
Phobos City
British-Columbia
Luna I
Luna II
Kanabia
Roman Republic
Pentova
Buben
Porto Calus
Romulan Territories
--Hong--Kong--
Antonian States
Albinoism

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Annual International Fleet assets - 30.288 trillion [ 30,288,440,760,700.00 ]
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48% - 14.538 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 5.149 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 3.634 tln - Interstellar Launch-Phobos Division
09% - 2.726 tln - Lunar Division
07% - 2.120 tln - Jupiter Division
07% - 2.120 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet reserves - 162.386 tln
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Net annual assets are up 1.534 tln - 5.07% with the addition of one member state - Albinoism, fleet reserves up .851 tln with additional manufacturing and foundry capabilities yielding more sales revenue - we are 17.
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Welcome Albinoism
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Memberstates of the Council[ 17 ]:
Greater Beijing
Shandong-Jiangsu
Zhejiang
Nubrium
Phobos City
British-Columbia
Luna I
Luna II
Kanabia
Roman Republic
Pentova
Buben
Porto Calus
Romulan Territories
--Hong--Kong--
Antonian States
Albinoism

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Annual International Fleet assets - 30.288 trillion [ 30,288,440,760,700.00 ]
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48% - 14.538 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 5.149 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 3.634 tln - Interstellar Launch-Phobos Division
09% - 2.726 tln - Lunar Division
07% - 2.120 tln - Jupiter Division
07% - 2.120 tln - Titan Division
acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet reserves - 162.386 tln
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Net annual assets are up 1.534 tln - 5.07% with the addition of one member state - Albinoism, fleet reserves up .851 tln with additional manufacturing and foundry capabilities yielding more sales revenue - we are 17.
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It's an honor to be here.

Annual International Fleet assets - 30.288 trillion [ 30,288,440,760,700.00 ]
48% - 14.538 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
17% - 5.149 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
12% - 3.634 tln - Interstellar Launch-Phobos Division
09% - 2.726 tln - Lunar Division
07% - 2.120 tln - Jupiter Division
07% - 2.120 tln - Titan Division
Acumulative to date total unalocated/invested fleet reserves - 162.386 tln.
Net annual assets are up 1.534 tln - 5.07% with the addition of one member state - Albinoism, fleet reserves up .851 tln with additional manufacturing and foundry capabilities yielding more sales revenue - we are 17.
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48% - 14.538 tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
-Classified-
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17% - 5.149 tln - Expeditionary/Exploration Division
28% - 1441.73 bln - Construction and Maintenance
22% - 1132.78 bln - Research & Development
13% - 669.374 bln - ISL@Phobos grants
11% - 566.394 bln - ISF[International Space Fleet] grants
09% - 463.413 bln - Pre-colonial/terraformation Mars Global Survey missions
09% - 463.413 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
08% - 411.923 bln - Transportation
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12% - 3.635 tln - ISL-Phobos Division
21% - 763.269 bln - construction
19% - 690.576 bln - research & development
18% - 654.230 bln - manufacturing & industrialization initiatives on Mars
12% - 436.154 bln - planetary mining operation initiatives
11% - 399.807 bln - natural sciences & astrophysics institutes@phobos city
09% - 327.115 bln - vehicle & ship foundry
06% - 218.077 bln - maintenence and fiscal aid initiatives for Mars industries
04% - 145.385 bln - exploration initiatives out of Phobos and Mars
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09% - 2.726 tln - Lunar Division Budget
44% - 1199.422 bln - Research & Development
22% - 599.711 bln - Facility Maintainence & Construction
20% - 545.192 bln - Education - Luna Institutes of Technology
09% - 245.336 bln - Lunar Colonial Mine grants
05% - 136.298 bln - Transportation
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7% - 1.651 tln - Jupiter Division
-unavailable-
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7% - 1.651 tln - Titan Division
-unavailable-
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Albinoism, would you like to Manage the Jupiter or Titan division?
Just submit a budget proposal and its yours - included in the managment of an IF Division is your own personal interplanetary yaught cutom made at the Luna I Orbital Shipyards. :D

I would like to make a bid for the managment of the Jupiter division
But resources would need to be realocated for other divisions -
for example since the Intersteller Launch @ Phobos is already complete Phobos city can no doubt foot the operational cost of the station and yards from their mining revenues and scientific and colonial developements @ Mars, Phobos and Deimos - so we could cancel the ISL grants. I believe Phobos City and other nationstates can handle the pre-colonial & terraformation survey missions @ mars so those grants from the Exploration division can be cancelled as well.
And we havent heard a peep here from the ISF Space agency, or have gotten any returns on our investments to the ISF now totalling in the trillions. These grants should be cancelled and realigned to support a superior Jupiter Mission.
The Exploration budget would have to be realigned from 17% to 11.39% in order to get a fully funded Jupiter mission off the ground - it would cost the IF 12.61% of its annual budget, or 3.819 trillion a year - 3,819,372,379,923.50 if approved. The cuts to the Phobos/Mars Division should be passed by Phobos City before a general vote - here are the numbers.

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17% - 5.149 tln - The Current Expeditionary/Exploration Division
28% - 1441.73 bln - Construction and Maintenance
22% - 1132.78 bln - Research & Development
13% - 669.374 bln - ISL@Phobos grants
11% - 566.394 bln - ISF[International Space Fleet] grants
09% - 463.413 bln - Pre-colonial/terraformation Mars Global Survey missions
09% - 463.413 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
08% - 411.923 bln - Transportation
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11.39% - 3.45 tln - Proposed Expeditionary/Exploration Division budget after reductions and realignments
41.79% - 1441.73 bln - Construction and Maintenance
32.84% - 1132.78 bln - Research & Development
13.43% - 463.413 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
11.94% - 411.923 bln - Transportation
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12.61% - 3.819 tln - Proposed Jupiter Division Budget
33% - 1260.393 bln - Rapid Jupiter Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
22% - 840.262 bln - Terrawatt Jupiter EM Field Energy/Power Tap Project
19% - 725.681 bln - Transportation
15% - 572.906 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Jupiter at Europa
11% - 420.131 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives
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Nations of the world. The nuclear arsenals that you spend so much money on are continually wasted. They are only ever used in the event that your nation is destroyed either by a prior or retaliatory strike, and yet they are expensive weapons, both in construction, maintenance and development. Perhaps for some nations, the mere prestige of being a nuclear power makes it all worth it, even if the weapons are so wide spread in the NationStates world that no one values it as a major aspect of your national pride outside your own nation.

The Democratic Imperium of Praetonia, therefore, proposes the following a treaty of proportional responce, which will allow nuclear weapons to be used in a specific manner, and against specific targets, without fear of the nations' population being harmed whilst the exchange takes place between two signatory nations:

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Article 1: No nuclear weapons are to be used against the general populace of any other signatory nation, unless in retaliation for a prior strike made on the general populace of the nation in question.

Article 2: No nuclear weapon over 100kt is to be used against any territory or military asset of any other signatory nation, unless in responce to a prior strike of this kind made against the nation in question. This is to prevent wide scale damage to the environment of general populace in the nation in which the nuclear device is detonated.

Article 3: 'Neutron bombs', and all other devices of the type, those being devices designed to emit large quantities of radiation, may not be used against any signatory nation unless in retaliation for a prior strike made against the nation in question.

Article 4: Tactical nuclear strikes may be made, provided that they are not in breach of any of the previous three articles. However, any responce must be proportional. That is, against a target of similar type, size, strength and importance.

Article 5: If any signatory nation is found to be in breach of the treaty, then all other signatory nations are obliged to either declare war upon, or break off all diplomatic relations with, the nation in question. This is to ensure that a nuclear tragedy does not take place caused by a nation in breach of these terms. Any nation may withdraw from the treaty at any time, but they must give two (RL) weeks' notice.

Article 5: A Nuclear Inspection and Moderation Board (NIMB) is to be set up. The Board will consist of representatives from all signatory nations. The board will be responsible for enforcing the treaty and solving grievances between nations regarding the treaty.


Signatory Nations

The Democratic Imperium of Praetonia (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Praetonia)
The Democratic Empire of Camewot (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Camewot)
The Workers' State of Hallad (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Hallad)
The Lance Umpire of AfrikaZkorps (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=AfrikaZKorps)
The Anti-Cat Republic of DontPissUsOff (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=DontPissUsOff)
The Incorporated States of Sarzonia (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Sarzonia)
The Sadistic Dictatorship of Witzgall (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Witzgall)
The Free Land of Shanagolia (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Shanagolia)
The Dominion of Greenmanbry (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Greenmanbry)
The United Socialist States of Socialist Serbia (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Socialist Serbia)
The Federation of Draconis Federation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Draconis Federation)
The Peoples Socialist Republic of Hogsweat (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Hogsweat)
The Empire of Dumpsterdam (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Dumpsterdam)
The Grand Duchy of Karas (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Karas)
The Republic of Dostanuot Loj (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Dostanuot Loj)
The Federation of FCD (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=FCD)



Today 1:12 PM
Greater Beijing
Signed President Sun Xi, Phd.
Democratic States of Greater Beijing

I will submit a proposal to the International Fleet that all member states of our Union accept and sign this treaty as well.
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Today 1:22 PM
Greater Beijing
It just occured to me there are no provisions in this treaty for non-proliferation of orbital platforms of WMD and the use of spaceborne hardware for these purposes. It would go a long way with the International Fleet if an amendment to this treaty could be made to include a bann on spaceborne weapons systems and orbital WMD platforms. At the very least an agreement should be made that nationstates in position of these weapons should not sale them to other nationstates or aid other nationstates in thier developement or the developement of related technologies. If successful this would likely insure the additional 16 signatures of the International Fleet memberstates.

I shall not resend my Signature of this treaty even if the IF does not except my proposal - best wishes.
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It is my hope that we can negociate an amendment to the treaty and have all memberstates of the IF signatories of this treaty. It is in the best interest of all people on Earth that this treaty gain the widest possible exceptance.
The thread is at http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7737057#post7737057

Good day,

ASC would like to know how you join this council. Please TG how or on what thread we join from.

Good day,

ASC would like to know how you join this council. Please TG how or on what thread we join from.

you would have to agree that all RP within the council and on all thread you visit remains within context, forexample we RP in this thread circa de 2040-2100.

if a thread is modern tech restrict your RP to a thoughtful 'what your NS used to be' :D

The minimal requirements are to turnover all spaceborne weapons of mass destruction to the Orbital Guard and classify all related systems and technology topsecret and off limits to the general public, and commercial elements of your nationstate. Limit all space missions to purely scientific and colonial purposes - and refit all spaceborne warships for exploration and transport purposes by limited all weapons and systems for defensive purposes only.

The International Fleet is financed by a small tax on memberstates GDPs, military budgets, and trade surplus'. You may however feel free to contribute beyond these minimal requirements at your convienience - within the primary charter and mission of the International Fleet.

These agreements donot interfere with planetbound armies and defense forces employable by your nationstates. They only attemp to secure the peaceful exploration of, and humanity's future in space.

I would like to bid for the Titan division.

9.2% - $560 bln- Proposed Titan Division Budget
33% -$100 bln - Rapid Titan Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
22% -$ 100 bln - Terrawatt Titan EM Field Energy Project
19% -$ 10 bln - Transportation
15% -$ 150 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Titan
11% -$ 200 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives

The budget my seem small right now, but it will change soon. One of my allies is loaning me money.

you would have to agree that all RP within the council and on all thread you visit remains within context, forexample we RP in this thread circa de 2040-2100.

if a thread is modern tech restrict your RP to a thoughtful 'what your NS used to be' :D

The minimal requirements are to turnover all spaceborne weapons of mass destruction to the Orbital Guard and classify all related systems and technology topsecret and off limits to the general public, and commercial elements of your nationstate. Limit all space missions to purely scientific and colonial purposes - and refit all spaceborne warships for exploration and transport purposes by limited all weapons and systems for defensive purposes only.

The International Fleet is financed by a small tax on memberstates GDPs, military budgets, and trade surplus'. You may however feel free to contribute beyond these minimal requirements at your convienience - within the primary charter and mission of the International Fleet.

These agreements donot interfere with planetbound armies and defense forces employable by your nationstates. They only attemp to secure the peaceful exploration of, and humanity's future in space.

Well we are sorry but we cannot promise a removal of all military space crafts due to the point we use them to help allies and keep people from attacking our four planets. But all of our military ships are fitted to work as fighters and research vessels(alot like the enterprise). And also we have no 'Public' peoples, they either work as scientists or are in the high ranked army. So we have no "top-seceret" systems, unless you mean leaving it open for all other nations, then that is for trade of info only.

I would like to bid for the Titan division.

9.2% - $560 bln- Proposed Titan Division Budget
33% -$100 bln - Rapid Titan Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
22% -$ 100 bln - Terrawatt Titan EM Field Energy Project
19% -$ 10 bln - Transportation
15% -$ 150 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Titan
11% -$ 200 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives

The budget my seem small right now, but it will change soon. One of my allies is loaning me money.

I think you should grab a calculator and redue your proposal.
The current annual IF allocation to a Titan Division is 7% of 30.288 trillion which is 2.120 trillion. If I add up the 6 areas of your budget it would come to 1.120 tln - a trillion under budgeted.
If you are capable of managing the Titan Mission of the International Fleet for 1.120 trillion or 3.7% instead of 7% then you've got it.

edited
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03.69% - $1120 bln- Proposed Titan Division Budget
17.86% - $200 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives
13.39% - $150 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Titan
08.93% - $100 bln - Rapid Titan Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
08.93% - $100 bln - Terrawatt Titan EM Field Energy Project
00.89% - $ 10 bln - Transportation
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I think you should grab a calculator and redue your proposal.
The current annual IF allocation to a Titan Division is 7% of 30.288 trillion which is 2.120 trillion. If I add up the 6 areas of your budget it would come to 1.120 tln - a trillion under budgeted.
If you are capable of managing the Titan Mission of the International Fleet for 1.120 trillion or 3.7% instead of 7% then you've got it.

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03.69% - $1120 bln- Proposed Titan Division Budget
17.86% - $200 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives
13.39% - $150 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Titan
08.93% - $100 bln - Rapid Titan Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
08.93% - $100 bln - Terrawatt Titan EM Field Energy Project
00.89% - $ 10 bln - Transportation
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I can do that. My bad on the calculations. :D

Well we are sorry but we cannot promise a removal of all military space crafts due to the point we use them to help allies and keep people from attacking our four planets. But all of our military ships are fitted to work as fighters and research vessels(alot like the enterprise). And also we have no 'Public' peoples, they either work as scientists or are in the high ranked army. So we have no "top-seceret" systems, unless you mean leaving it open for all other nations, then that is for trade of info only.

4 Planets? youre on the wrong thread.

How can you be sure that the people you trade this technology with will not use it to ruin our hope of peaceful operations in space?

This is why trading or selling spaceborne defense technologies is prohibited by IF memberstates the only organization allow to develope these technologies and employ them is the Orbital Guard & IFN. But the deployment of our defense force is subject to the will of the council and can never be abused by anyone memberstate.

I can do that. My bad on the calculations. :D

Cool and no problem - about what percentage of your population will be working on Titan and in the facinity of Saturn?

4 Planets? youre on the wrong thread.

How can you be sure that the people you trade this technology with will not use it to ruin our hope of peaceful operations in space?

This is why trading or selling spaceborne defense technologies is prohibited by IF memberstates the only organization allow to develope these technologies and employ them is the Orbital Guard & IFN. But the deployment of our defense force is subject to the will of the council and can never be abused by anyone memberstate.


Umm... we do not trade weapons, we trade foods and other stuff, but we protect the lines with weapons.

Cool and no problem - about what percentage of your population will be working on Titan and in the facinity of Saturn?

I believe around 5%, which equals around 1.5 billion.

[OOC:Yes 4 planets. and here is info:

Space Colony 1
World Factbook Entry: Home to ASC's Anthromorphic people.
We also own:
Space Colony 2,
War Planet,
and Antarctic Wasteland.<---the planets)

and the nations are:
SilverBrood(agricultural),
WhiteShore ARS(antarctic research city),
and ASCs Army(Military of course)
You see? Our people are highly based on military and science. No kill all others things. Thats what the anarctic guys(the rebels of our people) want.]

Umm... we do not trade weapons, we trade foods and other stuff, but we protect the lines with weapons.

oh thank god. :D Sorry about the misunderstanding. What about on the issue of dedicated spaceborne Warships - memberstates of the International Fleet are not allowed to operate thier own dedicates warships - we have a Department of Scientific compliance which would have to inspect all vessels to be sure armament are as you say for defensive purposes only.

And you still would have to Roleplay within the 2050 time period here where most nations space programs are just getting off the ground and a few with international support are succesful. 4 planets is ridiculous.

[OOC:Yes 4 planets. and here is info:

Space Colony 1
World Factbook Entry: Home to ASC's Anthromorphic people.
We also own:
Space Colony 2,
War Planet,
and Antarctic Wasteland.<---the planets)

and the nations are:
SilverBrood(agricultural),
WhiteShore ARS(antarctic research city),
and ASCs Army(Military of course)
You see? Our people are highly based on military and science. No kill all others things. Thats what the anarctic guys(the rebels of our people) want.]

I see youre incapable of roleplaying within moderntech to the immediate future so see ya.

It is my hope that we can negociate an amendment to the treaty and have all memberstates of the IF signatories of this treaty. It is in the best interest of all people on Earth that this treaty gain the widest possible exceptance.
The thread is at http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7737057#post7737057

I made a post there - hoping to get a discussion on an amendment to include the non-proliferation of spaceborne wmds.

The Praetonians dont think its likely though.

I would like to make a bid for the managment of the Jupiter division
But resources would need to be realocated for other divisions -
for example since the Intersteller Launch @ Phobos is already complete Phobos city can no doubt foot the operational cost of the station and yards from their mining revenues and scientific and colonial developements @ Mars, Phobos and Deimos - so we could cancel the ISL grants. I believe Phobos City and other nationstates can handle the pre-colonial & terraformation survey missions @ mars so those grants from the Exploration division can be cancelled as well.
And we havent heard a peep here from the ISF Space agency, or have gotten any returns on our investments to the ISF now totalling in the trillions. These grants should be cancelled and realigned to support a superior Jupiter Mission.
The Exploration budget would have to be realigned from 17% to 11.39% in order to get a fully funded Jupiter mission off the ground - it would cost the IF 12.61% of its annual budget, or 3.819 trillion a year - 3,819,372,379,923.50 if approved. The cuts to the Phobos/Mars Division should be passed by Phobos City before a general vote - here are the numbers.

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17% - 5.149 tln - The Current Expeditionary/Exploration Division
28% - 1441.73 bln - Construction and Maintenance
22% - 1132.78 bln - Research & Development
13% - 669.374 bln - ISL@Phobos grants
11% - 566.394 bln - ISF[International Space Fleet] grants
09% - 463.413 bln - Pre-colonial/terraformation Mars Global Survey missions
09% - 463.413 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
08% - 411.923 bln - Transportation
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11.39% - 3.45 tln - Proposed Expeditionary/Exploration Division budget after reductions and realignments
41.79% - 1441.73 bln - Construction and Maintenance
32.84% - 1132.78 bln - Research & Development
13.43% - 463.413 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
11.94% - 411.923 bln - Transportation
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12.61% - 3.819 tln - Proposed Jupiter Division Budget
33% - 1260.393 bln - Rapid Jupiter Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
22% - 840.262 bln - Terrawatt Jupiter EM Field Energy/Power Tap Project
19% - 725.681 bln - Transportation
15% - 572.906 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Jupiter at Europa
11% - 420.131 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives
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Thanks for the email GB its okay with me - I think we can handle the ISL on our own and with the aid of any memberstates interested in using the facilities for specific missions in addition to the 12% of the IF budget we nominally get coupled with our own space program should be more than enough to keep the lights on here.

12% - 3.634 tln - ISL-Phobos Division Budget
21% - 763.269 bln - construction
19% - 690.576 bln - research & development
18% - 654.230 bln - manufacturing & industrialization initiatives on Mars
12% - 436.154 bln - planetary mining operation initiatives
11% - 399.807 bln - natural sciences & astrophysics institutes@phobos city
09% - 327.115 bln - vehicle & ship foundry
06% - 218.077 bln - maintenence and fiscal aid initiatives for Mars industries
04% - 145.385 bln - exploration initiatives out of Phobos and Mars

We would like to welcome the 2 new members Coppernicus and Tycho-Rivera, we are now 19

Thanks for updating that Phobos, and if there are no further objections I would like to put the 2 new budge proposals of Titan and Jupiter up for votes of ratification.

I vote yes on both.

International Fleet Global-System Income - 24359.858 bln down 6.6 tln with lowered gdp, defense and trade surplus taxes - this years losses will be balanced by the 11.366 tln gained through IFS investment returns and new revenues - Total real annual budgeted assets 35.726 tln [ 35,725,618,281,523.18 ]

GDP Tax - 7%( 184808.79 bln ) - 12936.615 bln
Defense Tax - 14.3%( 8924.104 bln) - 1276.147 bln
Net Trade Surplus Tax - 33%( 698.277 bln ) - 230.423 bln
Government Waste Recovery Aquisitions - 9593.438 bln
International Fleet Systems Annual Revenue - 323.235 bln

International Fleet Systems Reserve Bank Assets - 162.386 tln
Reserves up 7% or 11.366 tln from excellent investment returns and better IFS Revenues but the new assets are to be channeled directly into the annual budget so the IFSRB will see no change this year and remain at 162.386 tln

Annual International Fleet Assets - 35.726 tln [ 35,725,618,281,523.18 ]

48.00% - 17.148 tln - Orbital Guard-International Fleet Defense
12.61% - 4.505 tln - Jupiter Division
12.00% - 4.287 tln - Interstellar Launch-Phobos Division
11.39% - 4.069 tln - Expeditionary-Exploration Division
09.00% - 3.215 tln - Lunar Division
07.00% - 2.500 tln - Titan Division
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48% - 17.148tln - Orbital Guard/International Fleet Defense Initiatives
-Classified-
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12.61% - 4.505 tln - Jupiter Division Budget
33% - 1486.650 bln - Rapid Jupiter Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
22% - 0991.100 bln - Terrawatt Jupiter EM Field Energy/Power Tap Project
19% - 0855.950 bln - Transportation
15% - 0675.750 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Jupiter at Europa
11% - 0495.550 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives
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12% - 4.287 tln - Intersteller Launch-Phobos Division Budget
21% - 943.156 bln - construction
19% - 814.544 bln - research & development
18% - 771.673 bln - manufacturing & industrialization initiatives on Mars
12% - 514.449 bln - planetary mining operations
11% - 471.578 bln - vehicle & ship foundry
09% - 385.837 bln - natural sciences & astrophysics institutes@phobos city
06% - 257.224 bln - maintenence and fiscal aid initiatives for Mars industries
04% - 171.483 bln - exploration initiatives out of Phobos and Mars
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11.39% - 4.069 tln - Expeditionary-Exploration Division budget
41.79% - 1700.497 bln - Construction and Maintenance
32.84% - 1336.308 bln - Research & Development
13.43% - 0546.487 bln - Extrasolar unmanned deepspace missions
11.94% - 0485.856 bln - Transportation
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9% - 3.215 tln - Lunar Division Budget
44% - 1414.734 bln - Research & Development
22% - 707.367 bln - Facility Maintainence & Construction
20% - 643.061 bln - Education - Luna Institutes of Technology
09% - 289.378 bln - Lunar Colonial Mine grants
05% - 160.765 bln - Transportation
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7% - 2.5 tln - Titan Division Budget
33% - 825.262 bln - Rapid Titan Lunar System Colonization Initiatives
22% - 550.175 bln - Terrawatt Titan EM Field Energy Project
19% - 475.151 bln - Transportation
15% - 375.119 bln - CR&D Intitutes of Titan
11% - 275.087 bln - Industrial Complex Developement and Mining Initiatives
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Damn I'm going to have to hire an accountant soon. :D

The deal to purchase 410 EB-15 Arkbird Strategic bombers for 1.23 trillion from the New Empire - Artitsa being retracted by myself and Luna I last year has produced startiling results

Fullscale prototypes of our own Strategic Aerospace Vehicle have been built tested and refined and the project codenamed XS-1 is nearing completion. Similar in geometry and size to the Arkbird the plane looks almost identical to the Strategic Bomber. But looks are where the similarities end.

*Power - 2 UF-4 Vaporcore-MPD generators and the new X serries of heavy fuelcells.
*Propulsion - 6 Nextgen turbofan engines, 2 variable specific impulse magneto-plasma rocket driven scramjets with forced helicon ema's.
*Controlsystems are heavily automated by AI and robotics reducing crew requirements for operation and maintenence.
*New technologies of interest developed for the SAV -
-Electromagnetic structural interlocks eliminates critical mechanical vibrations at low altitude high mach number manuvers and at q-max points durring re-entry manuvers.
-Nanite inundated secondary skin for automated AI controled hull repairs
-Carbon-nanotube-fiber microcomposited Berylium-Titanium alloys
-Air-to-air Anti-air plasma warheaded 1:8 independant fasttracking swarmer missiles the AA-1/8PWH.

4 versions have been tested - and it has been named correctly - the Strategic Aerospace Vehicle is capable of Orbital Insertions from any major international airport on aerth under it's own power, and even without it's main power core functioning, on emergency power it has the capacity to achieve escape velocities in orbital trajectories running on a new serries of heavy fuel cells.

Version A was the primary design objective of a Strategic Aerospace Vehicle. A longrange heavy bomber - the default optimal loadout configuartion is 340 cruisemissiles, 1290 AA-1/8PWH swarmer missiles in 4 batteries, 4 UCAVs all run by an AI driven automation assisted crew of 18.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os01.jpg

Version B is a 4th Generation Reusable Aerospace Transport capable of hauling 168 tonnes or 1200 personnel and 28.2 tonnes in transcontinental flights thru suborbital trajectories in minutes or 102 tonnes or 1200 personnel and 8.8 tonnes into LEO. Also equiped with 380 AA-1/8PWH swrmer missiles in 4 batteries and 4 UCAVs for defense.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os05.jpg

Version C is a UCAV Carrier and manned fighter mobile base of ops and refueler - the primary mission of these SAVs when deployed will be close-to-combat logistical support of an air-campaign or mission. Capable of maintaining 16 UCAVs and 42 fighters for 192 hours at peak turn arounds and capable of performing monitor/patrol/intel missions for 672 hours or 28 days.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os02.jpg

Version D is an Intelligence and Black Ops version deisgned to the specifications of the International Fleet Intelligence Agency and Special Forces Division of the Orbital Guard - additional information unavailable.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os04.jpg

Manufacturing methods are being perfected for production contracts so the current price of the SAVs will likely be around 4.8 bln for International Fleet members for a few years but will gradually be reduced to 1.3 bln within 5-10 years.

Version B will be available on the open market as an International Fleet System within 8 years at which time it will be available to the international community likely starting at 2.8 bln per vehicle.

We would want to replace our entire fleet of heavy lift transports and spaceprogram vehicles with SAV-1Bs : 108 for our military and space program over a period of 30 years

About how much do you think that would cost us annually if we begin purchases in 5 years?

nevermind - I think it would cost a total of 140.4 billion in total at 1.3bln each - about 4.7 bln a year.

yup - I just looked ove ryour economic situation and you could probably scrape that together from parts of your Commerce budget and government waste. Shouldnt be a problem.

From this point on Ill leave its incorporation into the IF systems storefront and pricing up to Luna I

Should we have a constitution or is the mission statement, vision, charter & agreed minima of requirements enough.

If we are to write out a constitution, article one should be a broad and general statement that integrates our mission statement and vision with the security needs of future maned space flight and our future colonial responsibilities.

would anybody like to take a hack at it?

Why dont I get us started
Constitution of the International Fleet

____________________Article One____________________
Mission & Vision

The respective administrations of the memberstates of the International Fleet agree to solidly adhere to the rules and terms of this constitution and to amend it if ever it should need to be for the benifit of our respective nationsstates and our citizens in space and those dedicated to this unions mission.
In the vision of we the founders of the International Fleet duely representing the interest of our peoples agree to intelligently manage the resources of this union to achieve its goals of establishing and maintaining a robust manned space exploration program.
And we the founders of this union agree to intellegently manage the resources of this union in order to protect it from threats to it's continuity and prosperity - those both external and internal.
The mission of the International Fleet is to spearhead the manned exploration of our system and beyond - by whatever means reasonable and possible. This includes but is not limited to the establishment of permanent facilities in and beyond the earths orbit to facilitate the research, developement, construction, ship foundry, and education required to achive and foward this mission.
The vision of the International Fleet is to secure the peaceful future of manned space exploration for all nations and unions of humanity - without compromising the well being of the citizens of our nations and whenever possible contributing to the quality of life and the developement of planet bound populations.


____________________Article Two____________________
Finance & Development





____________________Article Three____________________
Protections & Security





____________________Article Four____________________
Administration & Council

Constitution of the International Fleet

____________________Article One____________________
Mission & Vision

The respective administrations of the memberstates of the International Fleet agree to solidly adhere to the rules and terms of this constitution and to amend it if ever it should need to be for the benifit of our respective nationsstates and our citizens in space and those dedicated to this unions mission.
In the vision of we the founders of the International Fleet duely representing the interest of our peoples agree to intelligently manage the resources of this union to achieve its goals of establishing and maintaining a robust manned space exploration program.
And we the founders of this union agree to intellegently manage the resources of this union in order to protect it from threats to it's continuity and prosperity - those both external and internal.
The mission of the International Fleet is to spearhead the manned exploration of our system and beyond - by whatever means reasonable and possible. This includes but is not limited to the establishment of permanent facilities in and beyond the earths orbit to facilitate the research, developement, construction, ship foundry, and education required to achive and foward this mission.
The vision of the International Fleet is to secure the peaceful future of manned space exploration for all nations and unions of humanity - without compromising the well being of the citizens of our nations and whenever possible contributing to the quality of life and the developement of planet bound populations.


____________________Article Two____________________
Finance & Development





____________________Article Three____________________
Protections & Security





____________________Article Four____________________
Administration & Council

The full council of the International Fleet is to conviene every 7 years in summit to address the issues of the entire union. To be present at the union summit are member nation heads of state and ambassadors to the International FleetAnd Ambassadors to the International Fleet from all membernations are to be available for consultation and council at all other times.
At times of crisis when all member nations of the International Fleet are not available for a vote on a course of action - decisions will be made and the crisis will be resolved in an official manner by the International Fleet Secreatary General, Defense Director General, Minister of Exploration or Minister of Foreign Affairs - but not without sending notifications of our new official stance on the issue with the international community to the member nations of the International Fleet. The Secreatary General, Defense Director General, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Affairs must take full responsibility for his actions and can be called before the council to answer for uncharacteristic violations of the vision and mission of the International Fleet Charter and this Constitution.
The Secretary General, Defense Director General, Minister of Exploration, Minister of Foreign Affairs are to be ellected by the council every 4 summits - or whenever an emergency requires a new general officer be ellected - when all membernation councilors of the union are not available for the vote and it is in the best interest of the International Fleet to have an officer assume the responsibilities more immediately an acting general officer can be ratified by the available, active general officers.
Proposals may be submited to the council by guest nation heads of states and ambassadors to the International Fleet, and these proposals may be of any nature. However the motion must be second for concideration by a member of the International Fleet - if the motion is defeated it is not to be raised again by the same guest during the summit or conference.
Only memberstates of the International Fleet may submit proper acts and resolutions to the council for a vote - and only heads of state or ambassadors to the International Fleet of memberstates may have a vote on a proper act or resolution.

whoops

I should adjust my signature since I havent been voted in.

You should do the same Luna I until we have a proper constitution and constitutional ellection of general officers and prime ministers.

The deal to purchase 410 EB-15 Arkbird Strategic bombers for 1.23 trillion from the New Empire - Artitsa being retracted by myself and Luna I last year has produced startiling results

Fullscale prototypes of our own Strategic Aerospace Vehicle have been built tested and refined and the project codenamed XS-1 is nearing completion. Similar in geometry and size to the Arkbird the plane looks almost identical to the Strategic Bomber. But looks are where the similarities end.

*Power - 2 UF-4 Vaporcore-MPD generators and the new X serries of heavy fuelcells.
*Propulsion - 6 Nextgen turbofan engines, 2 variable specific impulse magneto-plasma rocket driven scramjets with forced helicon ema's.
*Controlsystems are heavily automated by AI and robotics reducing crew requirements for operation and maintenence.
*New technologies of interest developed for the SAV -
-Electromagnetic structural interlocks eliminates critical mechanical vibrations at low altitude high mach number manuvers and at q-max points durring re-entry manuvers.
-Nanite inundated secondary skin for automated AI controled hull repairs
-Carbon-nanotube-fiber microcomposited Berylium-Titanium alloys
-Air-to-air Anti-air plasma warheaded 1:8 independant fasttracking swarmer missiles the AA-1/8PWH.

4 versions have been tested - and it has been named correctly - the Strategic Aerospace Vehicle is capable of Orbital Insertions from any major international airport on aerth under it's own power, and even without it's main power core functioning, on emergency power it has the capacity to achieve escape velocities in orbital trajectories running on a new serries of heavy fuel cells.

Version A was the primary design objective of a Strategic Aerospace Vehicle. A longrange heavy bomber - the default optimal loadout configuartion is 340 cruisemissiles, 1290 AA-1/8PWH swarmer missiles in 4 batteries, 4 UCAVs all run by an AI driven automation assisted crew of 18.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os01.jpg

Version B is a 4th Generation Reusable Aerospace Transport capable of hauling 168 tonnes or 1200 personnel and 28.2 tonnes in transcontinental flights thru suborbital trajectories in minutes or 102 tonnes or 1200 personnel and 8.8 tonnes into LEO. Also equiped with 380 AA-1/8PWH swrmer missiles in 4 batteries and 4 UCAVs for defense.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os05.jpg

Version C is a UCAV Carrier and manned fighter mobile base of ops and refueler - the primary mission of these SAVs when deployed will be close-to-combat logistical support of an air-campaign or mission. Capable of maintaining 16 UCAVs and 42 fighters for 192 hours at peak turn arounds and capable of performing monitor/patrol/intel missions for 672 hours or 28 days.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os02.jpg

Version D is an Intelligence and Black Ops version deisgned to the specifications of the International Fleet Intelligence Agency and Special Forces Division of the Orbital Guard - additional information unavailable.
http://www.acecombat.jp/img/os/os04.jpg

Those are really nice looking new planes

Im not going to run for a senior position in the International Fleet - dont have the resources[OOC=tImE] for it. Hope the new constitution works out though.

No new resolutions? Oh did the Treaty of Praetonia Agreement work out?

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Those are really nice looking new planes

Im not going to run for a senior position in the International Fleet - dont have the resources[OOC=tImE] for it. Hope the new constitution works out though.

No new resolutions? Oh did the Treaty of Praetonia Agreement work out?

Hope Luna I likes em too

no the motion was defeated - the link is somewhere up there.

Any ideas on the constitution Nubrium?

Allow me to fill in some of the blanks (:


Constitution of the International Fleet

____________________Article One____________________
Mission & Vision

The respective administrations of the memberstates of the International Fleet agree to solidly adhere to the rules and terms of this constitution and to amend it if ever it should need to be for the benifit of our respective nationstates and our citizens in space and those dedicated to the mission of the union.
In the vision of we the founders of the International Fleet duely representing the interest of our peoples agree to intelligently manage the resources of this union to achieve its goals of establishing and maintaining a robust manned space exploration program.
And we the founders of this union agree to intellegently manage the resources of this union in order to protect it from threats to it's continuity and prosperity - those both external and internal.
The mission of the International Fleet is to spearhead the manned exploration of our system and beyond - by whatever means reasonable and possible. This includes but is not limited to the establishment of permanent facilities in and beyond the earths orbit to facilitate the research, developement, construction, ship foundry, and education required to achive and foward this mission.
The vision of the International Fleet is to secure the peaceful future of manned space exploration for all nations and unions of humanity - without compromising the well being of the citizens of our nations and whenever possible contributing to the quality of life and the developement of planet bound populations.


____________________Article Two____________________
Finance & Development

Divisions - bids for the management of and the nature of distant colonial investments means authorization of division management should be given after a realistic concederation of how those distant populations will be affected by proposed budget changes.
Taxation - large changes in taxes could adversely affect the unity of the international fleet incharacter. Adjustments should only be made by some sort of financial officer and new areas of taxes would have to be concedered in summit or conference and voted on.
No one memberstate of the International Fleet may promise foreign aid or asset allocations toward the developement of any other non-member nation or memberstates without the authorization of the chief financial officer, some sort of brooker in touch with the over all budget.


____________________Article Three____________________
Protections & Security

The International Fleet Defense Force branches - International Intellegence Agency, International Fleet Special Forces, International Fleet Cavalry Division, International Star Fleet and the Orbital Guard are to be commanded by a general staff - to be personally apointed to thier commisions by the International Fleet Defense Director General.
The International Fleet Defense Director is not to use International Fleet forces in a way that jepordizes the peace or security of anyone membernation and will conceder the needs of the entire union in all actions. Neither is the Director to provoke other nations into hostile actions or within reason cause unnessesary tensions.
The Defense Director General will not act without due concederation and only after consultation with the Minister of Foreign Affairs or another senior member of the council or another 2 memberstates of the International Fleet.


____________________Article Four____________________
Administration & Council

The full council of the International Fleet is to conviene every 7 years in summit to address the issues of the entire union. To be present at the union summit are member nation heads of state and ambassadors to the International FleetAnd Ambassadors to the International Fleet from all membernations are to be available for consultation and council at all other times.
At times of crisis when all member nations of the International Fleet are not available for a vote on a course of action - decisions will be made and the crisis will be resolved in an official manner by the International Fleet Secreatary General, Defense Director General, Minister of Exploration or Minister of Foreign Affairs - but not without sending notifications of our new official stance on the issue with the international community to the member nations of the International Fleet. The Secreatary General, Defense Director General, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Affairs must take full responsibility for his actions and can be called before the council to answer for uncharacteristic violations of the vision and mission of the International Fleet Charter and this Constitution.
The Secretary General, Defense Director General, Minister of Exploration, Minister of Foreign Affairs are to be ellected by the council every 4 summits - or whenever an emergency requires a new general officer be ellected - when all membernation councilors of the union are not available for the vote and it is in the best interest of the International Fleet to have an officer assume the responsibilities more immediately an acting general officer can be ratified by the available, active general officers.
Proposals may be submited to the council by guest nation heads of states and ambassadors to the International Fleet, and these proposals may be of any nature. However the motion must be second for concideration by a member of the International Fleet - if the motion is defeated it is not to be raised again by the same guest during the summit or conference.
Only memberstates of the International Fleet may submit proper acts and resolutions to the council for a vote - and only heads of state or ambassadors to the International Fleet of memberstates may have a vote on a proper act or resolution.

Heya this is looking serious - somebody outta TG Luna I

Are you recommending some sort of chief financial officer? I think that would have to fall on Luna I's lap he always does that budget thing and the number crunching.

Do we call it Chief Executor
We will also need to write out the job descriptions of each senior office. Like what exactly does the Secretary General do? What does the Secretary General of the UN do? Isnt like the same as the US Secretary of State - something like a chief diplomat, or representative?

I can do that :D