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there are no specs to report. I'll leave that up to the person who buys it.

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies is interesting in purchasing the production rights to the aircraft. Would Weapons-Tech incorp like to suggest an inital price for purchase?

I think he's on i'll get him

That thing wont fly, hahahahaha!

that thing looks like a crappy version of My ST FI100, only those massive W-wings are obsurd...

check out teh ST FI100 -----> http://www.auctiongripes.com/ims/pic.php?u=2045HzU0o&i=17822

- Statistics for Proposed F-106 Liberator -

Crew: 1
Length: 22 metres
Height: 5 metres
Range: 2000 miles
Top Cruise Speed: Mach 2.6
Top Speed: Mach 3.125
Thrust: 120,000 lbst provided by 2 Colonial Aerospace F-106 Thrust-Vectoring Engines
Armarment: Internal 20mm Cannon, 8 underfuselage hardpoints, 6 wing hardpoints, lightweight wingtip mounting
Empty Weight: 42,000 pounds
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 100,000 pounds

Able to sweep wing area forwards for more lift, backwards for more severe delta.


EDIT - RETCON: I'm actually going to retcon this a bit now by changing the picture of ths aircraft. I hope this doesn't cause any confusion.

The F-106 Liberator
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/d28d0433.jpg

sure sounds good. so what price would you like to start out with?

We would like to start the negotiations at 3 Billion US dollars.

OOC: I have no idea. I usually don't purchase things from stores, I'm not sure of what the going rate for production rights to a high-end strike fighter is.

that high end strike fighter cant fly.... more like a high end runway blockade :P

but hey, looks cool :D

that high end strike fighter cant fly.... more like a high end runway blockade :P


Why wouldn't they be able to fly? Forward swept wings, like those on the real life X-29 have been shown to give pilots excellent control response.

Link to X-29 info:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/x-29.htm

interesting....

yes, but its wings are much less dramatic in there alterations. the W shape is not an efficient air distributer, actually causing the air to spread in the opposite directions of which it should. no air current = no floaty in the sky

the w-wing design is useable. the math would check out. I asked My math teacher about the problem and he said yes it would work.

the w-wing design is useable. the math would check out. I asked My math teacher about the problem and he said yes it would work.

Of course it will work. We all know that your math teacher is the final authority on these things. Especially SINCE THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH PHYSICS THAN MATH!

The Colonial Government wishes to know if Weapons-Tech incorp finds our inital price offer for production rights acceptable.


OOC:
I've also added another 10,000 lbst to the thrust and .5 metres to the length. Seemed to be more correct.

I am sure it is.

I am sure it is.

OOC:

If you have a different high-performance strike fighter that both meets my requirements and is capable of carrier operations in mind, then you're welcome to bring it up.

The Colonial Navy currently operates F-14E Cobalt Tomcats, F-111C Sea Aardvarks and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. Out of these three aircraft, two are retrofits, albeit high performance ones, of cold war era airframes. In the recently closed RP centred on Female Slavery Inc, Colonial fighters found themselves outmatched by Decisive Action's MiG-41 Good Ole Boys (MiG-41 seen here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359667 ). Before then, I was already on the lookout for a more modern replacement for my cold war era retrofits, but after that incident, it became a top priority. I needed a strike fighter that could be counted on to reliably engage the MiG-41, which I believe to be the most likely high-end fighter aircraft that my forces will encounter within the predictable future. This fighter also has to outperform the aircraft I am currently using - meaning they have to have a top speed of over mach 3, increased manuverability, longer range, etc.

For a time, I considered purchasing the F-133 Valkyrie (seen here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362157&page=1 ), but it was a bit expensive to purchase them on a per-aricraft basis and production rights were too limited for my tastes. As such, it was ruled out, and thus I am currently considering purchasing production rights to the "W-Wing", which would enter service in the Democratic Colonies as the F-106 Liberator.

Now, do you have anything meaningful to add, or will that be all?

OOC:

If you have a different high-performance strike fighter that both meets my requirements and is capable of carrier operations in mind, then you're welcome to bring it up.

The Colonial Navy currently operates F-14E Cobalt Tomcats, F-111C Sea Aardvarks and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. Out of these three aircraft, two are retrofits, albeit high performance ones, of cold war era airframes. In the recently closed RP centred on Female Slavery Inc, Colonial fighters found themselves outmatched by Decisive Action's MiG-41 Good Ole Boys (MiG-41 seen here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359667 ). Before then, I was already on the lookout for a more modern replacement for my cold war era retrofits, but after that incident, it became a top priority. I needed a strike fighter that could be counted on to reliably engage the MiG-41, which I believe to be the most likely high-end fighter aircraft that my forces will encounter within the predictable future. This fighter also has to outperform the aircraft I am currently using - meaning they have to have a top speed of over mach 3, increased manuverability, longer range, etc.

For a time, I considered purchasing the F-133 Valkyrie (seen here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362157&page=1 ), but it was a bit expensive to purchase them on a per-aricraft basis and production rights were too limited for my tastes. As such, it was ruled out, and thus I am currently considering purchasing production rights to the "W-Wing", which would enter service in the Democratic Colonies as the F-106 Liberator.

Now, do you have anything meaningful to add, or will that be all?



If you are interested in a superior Carrier-able Fighter aircraft, check out the ST FI100 on my stores website by clicking the link in my signature. Its unmatched manourverability and quick response time plus its devastating armaments make it a nescesary inclusion to any nations naval prowess.

not to fast I am coming out with a new fighter in about 3 mins.

While the ST FI100 looks like a fine aircraft, I would not purchase it in my current situation because:

1) It does not outperform the Colonial F-14E Cobalt Tomcats or F-111C Sea Aardvarks to such a significant degree that replacement is warrented, and

2) It appears to be outmatched by the Decisive Action MiG-41. The MiG-41 is currently the target opposing aircraft that any new purchases will be compared to by the Colonial military. If it looks like it is not a match for the MiG-41, then we feel that it would be a better idea to continue operating our current aircraft until such a time as an aircraft that is a match for the MiG-41 is found.

While the ST FI100 looks like a fine aircraft, I would not purchase it in my current situation because:

1) It does not outperform the Colonial F-14E Cobalt Tomcats or F-111C Sea Aardvarks to such a significant degree that replacement is warrented, and

2) It appears to be outmatched by the Decisive Action MiG-41. The MiG-41 is currently the target opposing aircraft that any new purchases will be compared to by the Colonial military. If it looks like it is not a match for the MiG-41, then we feel that it would be a better idea to continue operating our current aircraft until such a time as an aircraft that is a match for the MiG-41 is found.

What about mine?

YF-23 Black Widow II (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/yf23roll.jpg)
Length 67 feet, 5 inches (20.6 meters)
Wing span 43 feet, 7 inches (13.3 meters)
Height 13 feet, 11 inches (4.3 meters)
Maximum takeoff weight 64,000 pounds (29,029 kilograms)
Propulsion 2 General Electric YF120 turbofan engines
Speed Mach 2
Range 865-920 miles (750-800 nautical miles) unrefuelled
Armament 4 AIM-9 Sidewinder - internal bays in engine intake duct sides
4 AIM-120 AMRAAM - internal bays underneath air intakes
Crew One

F-22 Raptor (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-22_2.jpg)
Propulsion two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines Thrust 35,000 lbst
Length 62.08 feet, 18.90 meters
Height 16.67 feet, 5.08 meters
Wingspan 44.5 feet, 13.56 meters
Wing Area 840 square feet
Horizontal Tailspan 29 feet, 8.84 meters
Ceiling Speed Mach 1.8 (supercruise: Mach 1.5)
Crew one
Armament Two AIM-9 Sidewinders
six AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
one 20mm Gatling gun
two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)

http://www.deepangel.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Concept-Art1.jpg

just the pic of Hobbeebias New F/A- 38 Mustange concept aircraft.

I will have stats later.

The FI100 pilots were trained against such fighters as the F14 tomcat, and the F22 raptor and excelled in both. If you wish we could stage a demonstraion event to prove our Fighters worthiness to you.

Keep inmind that with the available upgrades, the FI100 clearly outmatches both the F14 and the Mig41. With its ShadowStealth covering and Fero-Fiberous armor, the FI100 would be virtually undetectable, gaining first strike capabilities. Along with the Fero-Fiberous armor which disapates the force over a greater area (reducing damage greaty), the Fi100 excells in Dogfight battles as well.

http://www.deepangel.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Concept-Art1.jpg

just the pic of Hobbeebias New F/A- 38 Mustange concept aircraft.

I will have stats later.

Clairmont has that one. Look here (http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/villerainamo/Index.htm)

can you prove this

can you prove this

Click the link I posted and then click Military and then move the page down and click Aerospace Systems.

Fair enough.....But i will Make a few improvments

Because of the relationship between Wolf America and Decisive Action, the Federated Union of Democratic Colonies would rather refrain from purchasing military equipment from Wolf America at this time.

As well, the Colonial Fleet Command is skeptical of Blacktower's claims that the FI100 is a superior fighter aircraft than the Decisive Action MiG-41. Even if the FI100 truely is superior to the MiG-41, the FI100's maximum speed of mach 2.5 leaves much to be desired. The Democratic Colonies will continue to work towards the agreement on a price for manufacturing rights for the "W-Wing" airframe at this time with Weapons-Tech Incorp.

We have a deal the design is yours. But please restate the price for record.

A sum of 3 Billion US dollars is wired to Weapons-Tech Incorp for the production rights of the W-Wing airframe.

Confirmed. OOC: read the biomech threads very.... interesting

Pfff, the Valk can grind both your 'W-Wing' designs into fine bits of FOD... Blacktower, 'Ferro fiborous armor' won't do jack against more powerful radar with NPI programming or a good AAM, and Shadowstealth won't get your aircraft to ambient temp on IR, especially when it's going supersonic or stop above mentioned radar/IR systems... Not only that, but your Aries speeds are worse than the already outdated F-22! Our F-133 has Adaptive Aeroelastic wings, thrust vectoring, variable geometry, rotating canards, ruddervators and more to give it more efficient speed and manuverability. And devastating arms? Gimme a break. The AIM-7 Sparrow is one of the worst AAMs in use, it's inaccurate and makes your 'manuverability' useless as you have to keep the nose pointed at the enemy aircraft for it to get more than 1/2 a chance of hitting.

Democratic colonies, we'll allow full production rights if you're reduced to buying trash like this.

The Colonial Government is very appriciative of the offer by the New Empire, but desires clairification. Are you providing the Democratic Colonies with the specifications and technical documents required for the construction of F-133 Valkyries, as well as permission for factories inside of the Democratic Colonies to produce an unspecified number of Valkyries for military, non-export use?

OOC: While I really am very appriciative of the offer by the New Empire, a part of me is slightly amused that judging by the pictures found in thier respective threads, the Weapons-Tech Incorp W-Wing and the New Empire F-133 Valkyrie are identical in appearance.

Democratic Colonies, if you are still looking for a viable fighter jet, then please look at my fighter section of my storefront - they should be able to easily out perform the MiG-41 especcially with the various upgrades available.

MierTech fighters (http://tncforums.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Valaxian&action=display&num=1092118819)

(ooc: I'd like to say i find it...off that production rights are being sold by a nation yet it's left up to the buyer to make the specs. It sounds more like buying the image...it is. But I'll hush to that)

(Why hello there, Phoenixius)

Democratic Colonies, we'd like it if you would look at the aircraft offered at Lightning Stryke Industries and give us your opinion of them and if you'd be interested in purchasing any.

Lightning Stryke Industries (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364993)

OOC: Why hello there NSR!

OOC: Why hello there NSR!

(I go to type out a post, refresh before I post and see you...lovely. ^_^)

The UCSNE will give you, for 5 billion, the rights to construct and operate the F-133 and all systems used in it as long as they are not redistributed in any way to other nations.

New Empire, could you post a link to your storefront, as I'm interested in looking at what you have to offer. I'm thinking of purchasing technology from you, if you owuld allow it.

OOC: NSR, I'm registering with your storefront - check your TG's.

F-133 Valkyrie (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362157&page=1)

UCSNE Aerospace Products (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341296)

If you purchased tech... It'd have to be non sale...

By non-sale, do you mean I wouldn't be able to sell it as aprt of my aircraft then?

Well... Can we take this discussion somewhere else? I feel bad about hijacking the thread, despite that the link to my Valk was posted, and the *cough* quality of *cough* some of the argments here.

TG me with what you're interested in, or gimme your AIM, or something.

(OOC: Phoe, check your TGs. Also answer this for me in your next: What's the NC's stance towards socialist/communst nations and The International)

OK check your TGs soon.

Sorry for partially hijacking this thread - but please consider my craft too.

The UCSNE will give you, for 5 billion, the rights to construct and operate the F-133 and all systems used in it as long as they are not redistributed in any way to other nations.

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies gladly accepts your offer. 5 billion US dollars will be wired to you immediately.

At the present time, Colonial Fleet Command intends to utilize both the F-133 Valkyrie and the F-106 Liberator (Weapons-Tech Incorp W-Wing) in carrier operations. It is believed that the highly stealthy nature of the F-133, combined with the notably higher maximum speed of the F-106 will complement eachother and the inherently high quality of both of the aircraft to provide a well balanced airwing to the aircraft carriers of the Colonial Navy.

The Colonial Airforce also plans to eventually replace its F-22 Raptors and Eurofighter Typhoons with the F-133 Valkyrie and F-106 Liberator, but due to budget constraints and the higher priority of the Navy over the Airforce, such a replacement scheme is unlikely to take place within the next few years.

please consider my craft too.

While the Colonial Fleet and Airforce Commands were highly impressed by the aircraft of both MierTech and Lightning Stryke Industries, the Colonial Government decided that at 5 billion US dollars, the purchase of production rights for the F-133 Valkyrie was the most cost effective option available.

We are glad that you were impressed - we aim to please. However we are sorry that you have not chosen to purchase any aircraft or rights. We hope to be able to sway you in the future.

that thing looks like a crappy version of My ST FI100, only those massive W-wings are obsurd...

check out teh ST FI100 -----> http://www.auctiongripes.com/ims/pic.php?u=2045HzU0o&i=17822

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We think as a starfighter it would make a fine addition to our
defenses. :sniper: So we would like to purchase the production rights.
Queen Casiopia

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