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After the International Fleet Inititative of 2020 was passed by the Democratic Union of Asia - the Council first took its seats in Ningbo, Zhejiang.
ISEC Council and International Fleet member states
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Greater Beijing
Shandong-Jiangsu
Zhejiang
Luna I
Nubrium
Kanabia
Exetonia Minor
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A Council Nations with space programs intent on a robust, joint effort in Manned Space Exploration. Rallying the support of there governments councilors secure resources and assests as well as work with thier nations public research university systems to foward the state of the art and future interest in Space Exploration and International Cooperation therein.

The Council dictates the course and ventures of the International Fleet's 2 branches - the Orbital Guard and the Space Expeditionary - you need not join the IF and apply for a Councilors seat in the Conference to be heard or participate. A standing open invite is extended to all nationstates with an interest in space - everyone can voice thier concerns and make recommendations to the International Space Exploration Conference but only Councilors of or IF member head of states will have a vote in policy making and methods of enforcing those policies. To apply for International Fleet membership and the ISEC Council please review the 2020 Initiative at - http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365056 and be sure to state that you agree to the Minimal requirements of the Initiative.

-President Sun, Greater Beijing - Democratic Union of Asia

Okay so is this 2020 or 2030?

A free democratic zone in Eastern China was not achieved until 2010
We didnt get back on our feet with the capacity for a robust space program for years after that. The International Fleet Initiative was passed in 2020 - ten years from that point is probably the best point to start from. Although maybe not the most interesting to roleplay possibly - we will have to make it interesting.

2031 then - like in I-Robot.
Except more concerned with Aerospace and the Asian economic impact of AI driven industries.

First on the table - the USSR must get its nationstates to disarm thier space programs.

We have TGed SE Asian regions about joining the ISEC but we havent to my knowledge talked with anybody in Russia or the USSR.

Yes we should establish a serious contact with Siberia I will TG some people too.

However if it is not posible to work out the peacful agreement of disarmament of these weapons platforms we need to clear the Orbital Guard and IF resources in the Democratic Union of Asia for military action if neccesary - we will need a vote on this.

Here are the threads of interest:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366189
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364984

*ISEC Act 01 - If in the case that a peaceful conclusion to the current situation with Siberian nationstates with respect to orbital weapons platforms, a matter that will be voted on at a later time - the International Fleet Orbital Guard will be cleared for military action to remove the threat by force.

*Y or N - councilors

ISEC ACT 01 - Y

*isec Act 01 - Y

Exetonia would be proud and honored if as a new space faring nation we amy be allowed to join this conference.

If you except the minima of terms outlined in the 2020 Initiative, yes.

I have sent you a copy to review via telegram.

On the 1st Act of the ISEC I Vote - Yes

Exetonia hearby agrees to the minimum entry requirements and pledges 20% of her government budget to this endeavoir. We willingly hand over all assests required by the minimum requirement terms. Exetonia is pleased to become a part of this endeavor and welcomes all members to open hubs for free on her international space station. Now gentlemen. Alfred Johnson head of ESA will be joining the conference and is hping great things will come of this.

Exetonia also agrees to vote yes on the first bill on the agenda

I will join your program, I will give 30 billion dollars,

We welcome you 2 to the fold if indeed you guys have accepted the minimal requirements.

I would like to propose a 2nd Act to the International Space Exploration Conference.

ISEC ACT 02 - A unnanimous vote of acceptance be required of new applicants to IF membership and on the ISEC Council - this would give the membernaitons of the International Fleet and ISEC Councilors time to review post of the applicants and or look over the nations policies in other ways. We wouldnt want a nation coming in with the alterior motives of leaving with classified technologies that could be used against our nations.

Luna I votes Y

The Following addition has been made to the initial post
Amendment to the Conference rules - To apply for International Fleet membership and the ISEC Council please review the 2020 Initiative at - http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365056 and be sure to state that you agree to the Minimal requirements of the Initiative.
:D

And Beijing vote Y on 02

We vote Y on the ISEC Acts 1 and 2

And welcome you guys to the fold.
I think we should conceder the

ISEC ACT 03 - The production of more Revelation Class warships to deter the threat nuclear weapons against member nations - the Revelation Class Warship from orbit can lay down strategic firepower anywhere in the world. This is precisely what we need to secure our future against expansionalist elements in China, Japan, Korea, SE Asia and Russia. And it maybe a useful deterent to New members of the IF as our single 2 Revelation Class cruisers can't be everywhere at once even if they have global reach.

I recommend the dedication of new shipyards to produce 1 - 2 new Capital Class Warships a year.

As it is we vote no - we agree only if the act can be amended to represent the true nature of this Union, that of peaceful exploration. For every warship produced we should produce a Capital Class Exploration Cruiser with longrange independant capabilities.

On ISEC ACT 03A - we vote Y

We agree to the amendment and vote Y on ISEC Act 03A

We welcome Exetonia and the Roman Republic and we vote Y on acts 2 and 3A.

Does this make me liberal? :D

There is already an orginization called ISEC, and it does the very same things this orginization does. I happen to be the defence Chairman

Holy shit that sucks.
I've been working this idea for weeks and never seen that thread.

You guys are a bit ahead in years though and its not really the same - not really the same focus I dont think.

The name can be changed in an instant. So dont worry, im not angry, just informing you. K? You probobly never heard of us, since we've had a month of inactivity since school started.

Maybe the Unified Space Exploration Comitee? USEC?

We vote Y on 2 and 3a and thank you for welcoming us. We hope our offer to sign up to the Exetonian space station will be accepted. i canb and willr emove all STI/defence platforms from the station.

After reviewing the nationstate of the Roman Republic and the region under his managment I would like to concider a Vote on his acceptance - even if Act 02 hasnt been passed yet.

A totalitarian disctatorship isnt exactly the most compatible form of naitonal administration conducive to a peace loving space exploration mission - his ideas may conflict with the primary charter of the international fleet

I vote against accepting him on the council and recommend we not accept his contribution of 30 billion until we can figure out where he really stands.

The name can be changed in an instant. So dont worry, im not angry, just informing you. K? You probobly never heard of us, since we've had a month of inactivity since school started.

Maybe the Unified Space Exploration Comitee? USEC?

I dont think any other name fully embodies the organization - we will keep the name probably and it will just have to be made clear on your thread that your Coalition has nothing to do with hte International Fleet or this Conference.

Exetonia agrees with this stance wholeheartedly but, at the same tiime dnates several trillion dollars from the ESA researc fund. We also offer production any of our space fairng vessels for a zero price to further peacefull expansion into space. I also put this idea up for a vote

4:
The Exetonian International Sapce station should be sued as a preliminary staging point for space exploration as it is already completed. Further more, Mars I when she is completed should become the staging point for all beyond system exploration.

This tends to lead to confusion, such as, lets say. "Noobishgodmodcountry4000000 declares war on ISEC" than we will have no idea who they're talking about, and both sets of members will respond. Now, I am trying to take over ISEC (My ISEC, not yours) and may change it to RISEC, adding 'Restored' to the front. But I will have to see if our current leader wants me to take over for a while. If it doesn't work, oh well, we will probobly have to work it out later. Oh, and ISEC (Mine) has similar goals as yours I believe.

goodluck I dont think this has been done by any other union in 2030 so we are fairly safe from some n00b war threat or the threat from any one nation with a space program because we could no doubt defend ourselves.

Zhejiang votes Y on the use of Mars I and the Exetonia Station.
We are currently expanding our Shipyards at Gateway station above Zhejiang. We could use what help you can provide in the new Shipyards proposed in 3A perhaps your station should be the site of the new Shipyards.

Actually Zhejiang would be in favor of Exetonia keeping its funds inturn for its station being the site of our next Shipyard - dedicated to the construction of Capital Class ships.

ISEC Act 4A - Y

There are large noobs, just look at Hataria, Sephiroth, and TFU just to name a few. They are constantly at war with things just like our orginizations.

and in what time periods do they RP
They could not hope to win such a war against the International Fleet and the Democratic Union of Asia - if they get n00bish we'd be justified in ignoring them. No problem here I dont think.

Alright, well, good luck.

We have a potential resolution to the problem at Siap - mentioned in Act 01
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366189

They have agreed to reverse a unanimous vote to declassify and sell and stealth combat spaceplane if inturn we could offer them an aid package to reimburse them for thier loss.

We require a second council to okay this relief package - in turn we may get the desired result of them pulling this weapons sytem out of the open market.

Would this be a ISEC Resolution? :eek: 01? We Vote Y :D

Exetonia is pleased with this announcement and will gladly give 3 trilion dollars towards the re-embursement package

WOE DUDE! See the link. They are only asking for 700 billion.

Besides youre going to need those funds for the Capital Shipyards Project of ISEC act 4A

well, offer them that. I can support such a donation since i am now spending my entire military budget on sapce as well as my government waste and several other aspects of exetonia life

Excellent then this can be done without the consensus of the council.

and the vote is not neccesary - as long as it doenst interfere with the charter I'm sure the other members wont have a problem with it - it actually fowards primary charter interest so yeah . Ill let them know

Luna I Votes Y on Acts 3A, 4A and supports Resolution 01

We hope such a peaceful conclusion can be found for the current Siberian situation which would bringing the first ISEC Act to a satisfactory conclusion.

Dear fellow nation leader(s)
We had embarked on a exploratory mission withg another nation, but it was eventually aborted, and I fear the nation is lost.
Therefor, the 115th Exp-A/S Legion is currently in orbit, waiting in orbit, currently as defense, but I will move them should exploration be considered
-El Cid
Lord of the Legions

Im intrested
How can I Join in
Joao from Porto Calus

Dear fellow nation leader(s)
We had embarked on a exploratory mission withg another nation, but it was eventually aborted, and I fear the nation is lost.
Therefor, the 115th Exp-A/S Legion is currently in orbit, waiting in orbit, currently as defense, but I will move them should exploration be considered
-El Cid
Lord of the Legions

I dont understand - do you require transport services?

Im intrested
How can I Join in
Joao from Porto Calus

Are you interested in joining the IF's ISEC as a member nation or do you just have a recommendation?

Exetonia is pleased with this announcement and will gladly give 3 trilion dollars towards the re-embursement package


Exetonia, you dont even have 1/2 a trillion, see your actual Gross Domestic Product: $403,088,706,478.38

Information obtained through: http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Exetonia+Minor

I came to see what you guys were up to and saw a 3 trill donation from a sept nation. Sorry, he doesn't even have 1 tril.

Exetonia, you dont even have 1/2 a trillion, see your actual Gross Domestic Product: $403,088,706,478.38

Information obtained through: http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Exetonia+Minor

I came to see what you guys were up to and saw a 3 trill donation from a sept nation. Sorry, he doesn't even have 1 tril.

I thouhgt that was kind of silly myself - good thing they only asked for 700 billion something Zhejiang and Exetonia Minor can handle together over a few years - if not total IF assets can be tapped. Its for a cause directly related to our primary charter and sure to be passed.

Concerning the resolution of ISEC Act 01 we make the following declaration with respect to the orbital weapons platforms launched by the Former Soviet mafias of the USSR

International Space Exploration Conference - IF Orbital Guard Resolution 01:
We have allowed ample time for a response, this is beyond insulting, bordering on dangerous - It is the opinion of the Luna I administration and foreign afairs office that these nations are irrational and incapable of negotiations or a peaceful settlement - I move the ISE Conference of the International Fleet to an immediate vote to clear the IF for the removal of these devices by force.


*ISEC-IFOG Resolution 01 - Y

Siesatia would like to buy the ISEC name back, in exchange for 5 trillion dollars, and yes, I CAN afford that, because I have a 10 Trillion GDP. The Treaty we would sign would forbid this orginization from using ISEC as their name.

OOC: Balrogga really wants his org name back.

It will have to be voted on - but perhaps we could settle for the name The Space Exploration Conference of the International Fleet or just the plain old International Fleet Council.

On the proposed final resolution of this thread we vote in favor of a new name - the Space Exploration Council of the International Fleet or SECIF
In turn for the immdiate asset aquisition of 5 trillion credits - the ISEC or International Space Exploration Coalition with have sole rights to its name.

On the condition that we maintain open communications and a nonagreesion treaty between our organizations so as long as our charters do not conflict.

ISEC-SECIF Resolution 01

Luna I - Y

Greater Beijing votes Y on both of Luna I resolutions.

We vote Y on all above Acts and Resolutions - sounds good to us.

Y

The Lunar Colony of Nubrium ask us to place a vote in favor of both recent resolutions on thier behalf.

Woe cool response - so only Exetonia and Kanabia votes remain.
I think theyll be in favor of it unofficially - officially we have to wait but ill start the new Thread Anyway. :D

OOC: this actually looks promising...good work guys...

props for the new nations on the block...

Join us.

I'll think about it...I am already a future tech nation...And I've got other RPs going on...So once you get your space feet going then I could try to provide you guys with some tech "stuffs" or advice.

OOC: Siesatia only has about 8 trillion GDP...and spending 5 trillion on just as little thing as a organization name would be like commiting suicide economically...

If and when we get going dont you think itll be toolate to offer advice that would guide our progress

Now is the time to join the Council.

Persistent aren't you...I'll try to get my formal application sometime this week...But my first word of advice is to check and recheck grammatical errors...And this advice is free.

thank you - this problem seems to be a widespread issue - we will have to draft our next resolution to adress it!

If youd like you can be the official chief editor of the international fleet when you decide to apply :D

And about thier 5/8 tln GDP - itll grow back :p

I'll just supervise...I'm not that great in creating resolutions...But i'll suggest things...

Last post, in this thread, for today...

The Democratic Republic Of Endenia has received a message concerning an invitation to both attend the conference and to join, we would be honored to join this conference and the organisation. We would also contribute $10 Bn a year to the International Fleet.

N to act 1. We need a reason for requesting that soviet aligned nations disband their space programs, as we are allied or at least on good terms with many. We should instead seek co-operation. OOC: I havent been filled in on this one...

N to act 2, also. In our experience, such systems end up in a bureaucratic nightmare that totally stifles the growth and influence of the organisation.

Abstain to act 3. The exact cost of such a program must be clearly stated to us, as it is our suspicion that the majority of the funding will have to come from our pockets as the largest nation currently participating.

Y to act 4.

Y to ISEC-SECIF Resolution 01

Siesatia would like to buy the ISEC name back, in exchange for 5 trillion dollars, and yes, I CAN afford that, because I have a 10 Trillion GDP. The Treaty we would sign would forbid this orginization from using ISEC as their name.

OOC: No way could you afford that. GDP does not equal the amount of money you have available to spend. Considering your tax-rate, you have $3.6 trillion in your yearly budget. Even if you were going to spend all of that, you would have to literally cut government expenditure to zero, therefore eliminating any government social welfare programs, educational facilities and your armed forces...

Perhaps you could devote 10% of the budget to it anually, but it would take you 14 years to pay off...assuming the economy grows during such a time under the strain of having to pay that debt off. Even if it doesnt, you still have to add interest onto it every year...so it just keeps growing. Maybe in 30 years you might have it paid off. Or maybe not. Look at how some nations in Africa are doing...not well.

More than likely you've just crippled your nation with a massive amount of debt.

I would like to contest the name of your organization. It is already listed in the .::List of Alliances::. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275121&highlight=alliances) thread as belonging to the ISEC.

The origional ISEC was created 26-07-2004, 8:54 PM. It predates almost all your members by several months (with the exception of Porto Calus, Roman Republic, Kanabia, and Noir) as of this post.

To see the origional Thread, just follow the link in my Sig.

Oh, the money Siesatia offered was from the ISEC budget. The individual members fund the organization. He is on the Board of Directors after all. He has the authority to act on the behalf of the ISEC.

I hope this situation can be resolved.

OOC:Guys i am EXETONIA!!!! Check EXETONIA

ic: EXETONIA and ESA will still pledge 3 trillion dollars to this program We vote Y on the name change and the possible alliance and will review all other proposals currently on.

My apologies if I insulted you. I strictly went by the join dates to the left. There was no ill intentions involved.

ooc:Its quite alright, i forgot many people dont read sigs. My empire consists of Exetonia, Minor, Kovelev, SunIsles, Empire, Sun Isles and Independants.

IC:
Exetonia hearby changes her vote to N on prop 1, Y on 2, 3a and 4. (4 by defaultY anyway because it is my station being used).

I also propose the following:

5:
Exetonia donates her sapce construction platforms to the use of the orginisation and begins to build craft from all nations involved.

Exetonia votes Y on this proposition as there is already a platform building colony ships in orbit which can be quickly prepped to build capital size long range deep space exploration ships.

Okay IFOG Resolution 01 is not passed then we will attemp a solution to this threat throuhg diplomatic means then.

Act 5 - Y

Act 4 is passed unnanimously - meaning this thread is officially closed and needs to be continued at the SECIF thread :
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366377

I am intreted in how can I help
João from porto Calus

I dont understand - do you require transport services?
no no, they themselves are ships in orbit - no transport needed, just asking where, when is exploration, and id like to join as a joint venture

Are you interested in joining the IF's ISEC as a member nation or do you just have a recommendation?
I have no recommendation
but im intrested in join
how may i proceed?
Joao form Porto Calus

The Greater East Asian Republic of -Noir- wishes to join and take up an observationist role, in this organization.

The Siapian Business coalition would like to speak on behalf of the designers of the Project 7 Stealth Bomber, we were promised an aid package to prevent this product from reaching the market. We have yet to receive any of the money promised. I humbly request that the money be made with presently. The deal is as planned, half up front, and the aircraft is off the market. The Siapian Business Coalition has threatened to remove me if the money is not received soon.
-Michael Harte
Siapian Business Coalition

no no, they themselves are ships in orbit - no transport needed, just asking where, when is exploration, and id like to join as a joint venture

Are you interested in participating in the Phobos - Mars missions? The launches are ongoing - next one in 2 months for Phobos including a new Alpha Class EC from Gateway Station.