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*Sanctaphrax News Broadcasting Corp (SNBC)*
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Hello and welcome to SNBC news, this is our top story.
The army today called up as many spare troops as were available in order to defend the nation. The Sanctaphrax PM issued a statement in which he announced that he had "recalled all troops heading to protect Djibouti from a fascist threat in order to better protect the Sanctaphrax people in case of invasion."
He didn't mention any particular threat but it would seem that a minor disturbance in Grays Hill storefront with an unnamed nation would be the reason. The PM requested that the nation would not be named in case they chose to contact him and back down. He said that some allies had already been informed of the rising tensions and hoped that they would send troops to help Sanctaphrax in her hour of need. He said any nations that were recognized as friendly would also be welcome to send in troops.
We all hope that war will be avoided but the PM doesn't seem to be to hopeful on that front, even though he said he would do "everything in his power to protect the people of Sanctaphrax". We'll give you more as it happens, right here on SNBC.
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What do you feel your prospects of victory are?

Bureaucrat of the Drum Gods Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

He has 960 odd whereas I only have 650 so 1-on-1 not very good, I have however requested help from my allies so we shall see. You may help us if you wish but it is, i'm afraid, voluntary. We cannot offer you anything. If you help it will be due to your kindness and not payment.

Our entire armed offensive and defensive forces are mobilised currently. We would be willing help so long as we are not restricted in our movements and our actions once we eventually smash their defences and move to conquer the rest of the nation.

Bureaucrat of the Drum Gods Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

There are of course certain areas that you will not be allowed to access, your main job, should you accept would be to defend us from naval attack as our own Navy is quite small. If you help protect us and then afterwards decide to declare war on the offending nation, we shall not stand in your way. As I said, if you could send ships in to defend the Edgewater River and the bay of Sanctaphrax then that would be great. We await your response.

As long as we know where we both stand then we shall send instructions to the UCL AeroNaval Legion to sail to the defence the Bay of Sanctaphrax.

Bureaucrat of the Drum Gods Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

Thank you for your support, please inform us how many ships you'll be sending. We could do with more assistance from our allies so, JDA, ANP?

A single legion is a vastly large one. The UCL legion is the oldest in our history so even by our standards is a relatively large group of aicraft and naval vessels. We will soon provide you with the precise numbers that are heading your way.

Bureaucrat of the Drum Gods Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

No aircraft, someone else will supply the aircraft. With aircraft unlimited havoc could be caused by traitors. We do not... suspect you of treachery but we would prefer you stick to ships as no damage can be caused by your ships. All our cities are inland, except the ones on the Edgewater River, but I don't reccomend attempting to enter it.

This is a most strange request. Our AeroNaval legion is exactly what it is. One that is comprised of both aircraft and navy working together as a cohesive unit. To be honest we would much rather spearhead an assault on the enemy as opposed to be confined to a defensive role.

Bureaucrat of the Drum Gods Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

We would be more than glad to let you lead a strike against the enemy, I shall have to see if he plans to attack or not. If he does, you have my full permission to attack him.

We would like to send a Death Mauler battalion. They serve the dark god Bludsuth (you know the one that ate all those KKK). Out of friendship and payment for sending your KKK to feed Bludsuth.

Linfield Hannon

We would like to send a Death Mauler battalion. They serve the dark god Bludsuth (you know the one that ate all those KKK). Out of friendship and payment for sending your KKK to feed Bludsuth.

Linfield Hannon
OOC: That sounds like FT, i'm MT.

/ooc pardon my n00bism, but what do MT and FT mean? I keep seeing it, but I can't seem to find anything about it.

OOC: That sounds like FT, i'm MT.
OOC: They're mostly mages but they can use guns and such. We use an FT/MT mix so we're good. Don't worry be happy and then kill things.

Indeed, we would be in our element co-ordinating and implementing an assault on the enemy.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers and RWC
A January 2003 Nation

/ooc pardon my n00bism, but what do MT and FT mean? I keep seeing it, but I can't seem to find anything about it.
FT=Future Tech
MT=Modern Tech

Ah. makes sense.

Speaking of Tech, I'm willing to offer any assistance you require, but I'm sort of borderline MT/FT... shifting into FT

Statement from Serafima: -

Serafima will send out 1 million troops, and a huge shipments of our plasma sniper rifles.

If required of course?

Morgaine La Tissier

Statement from Serafima: -

Serafima will send out 1 million troops, and a huge shipments of our plasma sniper rifles.

If required of course?

Morgaine La Tissier
OOC: Plasma is probably FT as well. Try and get some other Sniper Rifle.

IC: Dear Ms Morgaine, we would be more than glad to accomodate your troops, if they could dig trenches along the Edgewater River and then patrol along there then that would be very good. They would probably need to go in shifts of no more than 10'000 at a time. If we feel that the situation becomes desperate then we may require more. If any of your soldiers feel up to it (and this is completely optional) then they could dig trenches in the deepwoods villages. The Deepwoods is a beautiful forest, full of every kind of animal. The villages there are quite secluded so if they want to help them then it would be very appreciated.

OOC: how to do plan to send 1 million troops there ??? It took the US military over three months to prepare 145,000 troops for battle in Iraq.


The Empire of Dracoinus finds this quite amuzing as your "coalition of the willing" seems to be hampered by your own fear that your coalition may turn on you.

COM-INTEL-

Com trans OP Force, gathering, gt and naval vsl est 100k + 3 Div ARM

ARCH delta F4 All Nats on OP Force

The Empire of Dracoinus finds this quite amuzing as your "coalition of the willing" seems to be hampered by your own fear that your coalition may turn on you.

COM-INTEL-

Com trans OP Force, gathering, gt and naval vsl est 100k + 3 Div ARM

ARCH delta F4 All Nats on OP Force

He has a point.

Serafima for a Nation with only 40 Million I would suggest that you not dedicate your military force of (1 Million) to this "engagement". I highly doubt your economy would be able to sustain the loss.

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=serafima

Domestic Statistics
Government Category: Democratic Socialists
Government Priority: Defence
Economic Rating: Reasonable
Civil Rights Rating: Average
Political Freedoms: Good
Income Tax Rate: 20%
Major Industry: Information Technology
National Animal: Unicorn
National Currency: Pink Wellie
Total Population: 40,000,000

Government Budget Details
Administration: $1,168,285,327.11 2%
Welfare: $4,673,141,308.44 8%
Health: $6,425,569,299.11 11%
Education: $8,762,139,953.33 15%
Religion & Spirituality: $0.00 0%
Defence: $13,435,281,261.77 23%
Law & Order: $2,920,713,317.78 5%
Commerce: $4,673,141,308.44 8%
Public Transport: $9,346,282,616.88 16%
The Environment: $7,593,854,626.22 13%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%


The Empire of Dracoinus recommends that the fledgling Nation of Serafima steer away from this possible conflict in an effort to save the rest of your population from economic disaster.

It is therefore recommended that you with draw your pledge to send troops into the face of a potential conflict with The Empire of Dracoinus.

You have done us no harm please take this as a mercy play and do what is best for your population.

"Serafima would be honoured to join in this RP, currently our nation is still recovering from the tornado that took 6 million lives, we would benefit from some more people."

34 Million - another 1 Million soliders, you are purging your population at a very fast rate. I would hope you would see the futility in your actions.

Our intentions remain clear.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers and RWC
A January 2003 Nation

The United States of Shalrirorchia is offering to serve as an impartial arbiter in peace talks in Shalcoria.

That will not be necessary. By the time the war is over, if it occurs, there will be a new administration in power in Dracoinus.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers and RWC
A January 2003 Nation

Do not fan the flames of war so quick Drum Gods, just because of your previous victories does not mean that you will conqure the mighty Empire of Dracoinus, from the Imperial Draconian Sector.

The Empire of Dracoinus is only that of what you see on what you call Earth. And is not a measure of the strength and might of the Draconian people.

'Speak not with a harshness in your voice shall you fall victim to the serpents spit.'

- Apstl. Ferra Rusto AD1252

OOC: Sanctaphrax is modern tech, I'm slightly advanced modern tech so before anything happens I want to make sure. Are you modern tech?

The Empire of ITD urges all nations involved to disallow Drum Gods from paticipating in this conflict. Their only goal is expansion, not the creation of allies.

The Empire of ITD urges all nations involved to disallow Drum Gods from paticipating in this conflict. Their only goal is expansion, not the creation of allies.
We will not pick and choose our allies in this conflict, Drum Gods offer of help has been recieved and accepted. Dracoinus, for you peace may be the only way out, for as Hogsweat has shown you he alone is 3X your size and power and he isn't even the largest in the alliance. I warn you again, don't start a war you won't be able to finish. Sanctaphrax would be willing to conduct peace talks with the opposing nation any time they see fit.

Statement from Serafima

We have revised our contract, we will be sending 100,000 after reviewing Dracoinus's concern we too agree that our economy will be dealt a further blow.....

Tag. Real busy..
And maybe a hidden bump?

The Draconian people shall not waiver just based on Hogsweat's and the Drum Gods size.

#TAG# for now.

BUMP! come help guys, its for a good cause.

100 000 troops are being sent into Santaphrax.

Their commanders will be ready to receive orders.

Bump!

The many ships required to take to the troops to Santaphrax were emerging over the horizon. It was a warm afternoon, and the sun was slowly setting. The view was incredible, the overwhelming amount of ships heading for the coast. Overhead, the military 747's carrying more troops sped over, they had been delayed to coincide with the landings.

Soon, the ships had reached the coast. Now ensued the massive process of offloading the troops. Some of them would not leave their ship for over an hour. But, by night, all the troops were at their posts, patrolling the Bay of Santaphrax, waiting for whatever they would need to defend Santaphrax from.

General Varis Lodd went down to the beach and went to meet the head of the Jonothanian army in Sanctaphrax. The Jonothanian army was to guard the coastline against possible attacks.

"Commander, they have assemblyed troops in the 'bay' sir."

"quite amazing don't you think?"

"whats that sir?"

"I mean really, what do they hope to accomplish with that many ground troops in one confined area ? You would think they are trying to stop an invasion at one, easily assesible point. Its really a waste of manpower when you think about it, so exposed, out in the open, with little or no cover to protect them from above. I really would not want to be any of the troops on the ground, just sitting there waiting for something to happen, something to shoot at.... A pity really"

"yes sir"

... Silently in the night sky death, waits for them high above in the stratosphere....

Attn: Government of Sanctaphrax
From: General Andrew McMasters – Head of the armed forces

The New Logan President would like to offer to support your nation in its current situation.

The New Logan military would like to supply 10 M270A1 MLRS self-propelled rocket launchers and 10 Crusader 155mm self propelled howitzer’s to assist the defence of the mouth of the Edgewater River. You will have to supply ordinance but the units come fully crewed and will perform in any function or location you may require. They will be yours until the end of any near future conflict you may be expecting.

The units have already been prepped and will be transported via C-5 shortly. Galaxy pilots will contact you when they are nearing your airspace for permission to enter your airspace and will obey landing instructions from your controllers.

The New Logan government wishes you well in any future possible conflict you may be expecting, and may provide more support if the need arises, at your request.

General Andrew McMasters
– Head of New Logan armed forces

"Let it be known that the Santaphraxian Guard group are not contained to a small place, there is a large part of coast at the bay. The large amounts of troops are guarded with artillery, including missile equipment sufficient to severly damage a ship with one direct hit. These have a range of around 7 miles. They are derived from Supergun technology. Tactics department have checked it out and, many of the troops are being unused and are in reserve. I beleive it would be advisable for Draconius to stand down, as Santaphrax has the support of us and many others."
Simon Taylor, King's Defence Minister, in response to a question

We would like to warn Sanctaphrax of the danger of collaborating with Drum Gods. We have seen how this treacherous backstabber works and in fact just foiled one of his plots to conquer 2 brand new nation.

As soon as he has defeated the "enemy" force he will turn on you and the results will be devastating. To re-iterate our point, if you allow Drum Gods into this conflict you will lose Djibouti to him.

We hope you heed our advice.

Secret IC:

The 3rd Marine Expedtionary force has been mobilized for possible deployment.

"Commander, they are deploying more ground armarments sir"

"humm, interesting, really now how far into the sea do they think they can shoot with those howitzers ???"

"what do you mean sir?"

"Its truely an odd spectacle dont you think son, its as if they are waiting for an enemy to parachute right up to them or send vessels right out in the open waiving flags that say "look at us were the enemy, shoot at us, we make great targets"

.. they both laughed for a few moments......

"yes, sir, it is pathetic of them."

"Kind of funny, they taught us about those kind of tactics back in Military Basic 12A, but I never thought I would see an OP Force ever deploy them again after what happened to the Azzurian Red Talon Regiment.."

"Yes, that was a tragedy, I feel for those kids led into battle like that, just waiting to die, they really had no choice, it was either that or their famlies would have been gassed.... Kind of glad the Azzurian King was taken out by his civilians... shame though.... how they gutted him and left him on the steps of the Capital building......."

The Serafima Dream Catcher lands on the H - pad and the troops quickly run out and report to the officer; their head of operations- Fearne Optican, walks off the helicopter and walks to the government building........

Temper Tantrum... Is this truely the type of Nation you want to get involved with ???

I am sure you will find the Empire of Dracoinus would never stoop to this kind of shallow behaviour.

Form your own opinion and choose your side, but the "enemy" who is of hate and sething re-pugnancy shall be quickly defeated.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365652&page=3&pp=15&highlight=dracoinus

Today, 12:14 PM #32

Sanctaphrax
Aimbot

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: It all depends on who you are.
Posts: 1,665 Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddragons
sorry Sanctaphrax i bought it all

Listen you nOObish godmodder, I don't give a F**K what you THINK you bought, I don't recognize that any nation could spend trillions upon trillions in 1 day. The fact that its you doesn't surprise me though, if anyone can claim to buy everything its you. You have bought all the artillery and even thats pushing it. Look closely at what I bought and you'll find it hasn't got -SOLD- underneath it. So go and play your F******g childish, immature godmodding crap game elsewhere because I don't believe that you're improving. For now, ignored until you prove yourself.

OOC: ALRIGHT ALRIGHT LADIES PUT THE HANDBAGS DOWN ALRIGHT!!!!!! :mad:

Temper Tantrum... Is this truely the type of Nation you want to get involved with ???

I am sure you will find the Empire of Dracoinus would never stoop to this kind of shallow behaviour.

Form your own opinion and choose your side, but the "enemy" who is of hate and sething re-pugnancy shall be quickly defeated.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365652&page=3&pp=15&highlight=dracoinus

Today, 12:14 PM #32

Sanctaphrax
Aimbot

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: It all depends on who you are.
Posts: 1,665 Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddragons
sorry Sanctaphrax i bought it all

Listen you nOObish godmodder, I don't give a F**K what you THINK you bought, I don't recognize that any nation could spend trillions upon trillions in 1 day. The fact that its you doesn't surprise me though, if anyone can claim to buy everything its you. You have bought all the artillery and even thats pushing it. Look closely at what I bought and you'll find it hasn't got -SOLD- underneath it. So go and play your F******g childish, immature godmodding crap game elsewhere because I don't believe that you're improving. For now, ignored until you prove yourself.
I'm sorry, I may be a little out here. What exactly do the actions of Sephiroth in another storefront have to do with proceedings?
We thank Jonothana, Serafima and New Logan for their offers of help. For your information Dracoinus, Sanctaphrax's only bit near the sea is the bay. The only way of getting to any big cities is through the Edgewater River and that is... not recommended.

"I am sure you will find the Empire of Dracoinus would never stoop to this kind of shallow behaviour."
Do I need to post a link to page 72 of Grays Hill storefront where, for no reason you posted how crap the storefront was. I then asked you to buy something or get out and you declared war on me. Someone got bored and decided to start a war did they?

Anyway, Sanctaphrax Naval vessels have taken to the seas and will be patrolling inside our territorial waters, aircraft carriers will be the base for planes which will use them for patrols. We warn you now Dracoinus, ANY vessel of yours, even a merchant ship or a cruise liner near our waters, will be sunk on sight. The same goes for planes. We urge our allies to send us more Naval or Air power to deal with this imperialistic warmongerer.

EDIT: Ah well, here 'tis anyway.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275540&page=72&pp=15

Your actions are your actions regardless of what "thread" they are in. They show everyone clearly your own childish behaviour.

Yes you did say to me "buy something or get out". In which I responded that you are acting like a totalitarian dictatorship and last time I checked I had the freedom of speach.

Your actions are your actions regardless of what "thread" they are in. They show everyone clearly your own childish behaviour.

Yes you did say to me "buy something or get out". In which I responded that you are acting like a totalitarian dictatorship and last time I checked I had the freedom of speach.
Wrong! Give me a second and i'll find the link to Sarzonia's "storefront code of conduct" thread, where it says you may NOT be disrespectful to the owner of a storefront.
EDIT: found it.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359981&highlight=code+conduct
"3. THE CUSTOMER NATION MUST BE COURTEOUS TO THE STOREFRONT OWNER AT ALL TIMES. There is no rule that forces a storefront owner to sell you items. If the storefront owner is giving you an IC reason for denying your order (be it lack of funds or concerns about your government type), getting nasty will not help your cause. Not only may you be alienating the storefront you tried to purchase from, but other storefront owners will be paying attention to purchases from their competitors. You may find it increasingly more difficult to purchase items if you start to get a reputation as a hard head."

If you were to compile a list of people who got annoyed at Seph or Hataria, it would take up a lot of room. His actions were nOObish and I don't take back my response.

Your actions are your actions regardless of what "thread" they are in. They show everyone clearly your own childish behaviour.

Yes you did say to me "buy something or get out". In which I responded that you are acting like a totalitarian dictatorship and last time I checked I had the freedom of speach.[OOC: This board is a PRIVATE forum run by Jolt, which has a set of expectations and rules; and NationStates moderators who have their own set of policies. A storefront can be seen as an extension of that, and arguments about "freedom of speech," particularly when they're on a server that's NOT BASED IN THE UNITED STATES do not hold water.

That's why an employer can legally fire someone who doesn't remove a Kerry-Edwards campaign sticker if they've asked the employee to do so. That's why a mall can order someone to remove an anti-Bush t-shirt if they're offended by it. On private property, the right to free speech does not apply.]

OOC: come on guys calm down, If you don't shut up I might have to kiss you all :eek: or alternatively shoot u, hmmm u choose?! :confused: ;)

OOC: come on guys calm down, If you don't shut up I might have to kiss you all :eek: or alternatively shoot u, hmmm u choose?! :confused: ;)
OOC: uuuh... uuuh *gets really nervous*
number o... two!

IDF will send the 3rd and 9th fleets along with 450,000 ground troops and much or our air force to help our ally Sanctaphrax.

The government has seized civilian 747s to help make the process of deployment quicker.

I find no need to buy from someone else's storefront. The Empire of Dracoinus has spent Trillions of dollars on R&D and it is a fact that the Empire possess weapon systems that are far more destructive then your "little men and boats".

And using the basis for your claims that "purchasers" of storefronts must show the store owner respect and speak respectfully are enough to make a person gage.

When the store owner says hey buy something or get out, the proper response is I am a potential customer but with that kind of attitude maybe I should not spend my money here. And then turn to the next potential customer and tell them how rude the owner is. You see buisness is about customer service, THATS customer SERVICE, THERE is no obligation to buy from yours or any other "storefront". Nations buy in an effort to affect trade and commerce. BUT it is not a necessity to do so.

I find no need to buy from someone else's storefront. The Empire of Dracoinus has spent Trillions of dollars on R&D and it is a fact that the Empire possess weapon systems that are far more destructive then your "little men and boats".

And using the basis for your claims that "purchasers" of storefronts must show the store owner respect and speak respectfully are enough to make a person gage.

When the store owner says hey buy something or get out, the proper response is I am a potential customer but with that kind of attitude maybe I should not spend my money here. And then turn to the next potential customer and tell them how rude the owner is. You see buisness is about customer service, THATS customer SERVICE, THERE is no obligation to buy from yours or any other "storefront". Nations buy in an effort to affect trade and commerce. BUT it is not a necessity to do so.

Well, just think about it. YOu go into a popular department store, then go to the manager and say " This place is crap."

I expect they would ask you to leave. It is very unlikly they would say " Oh, we value your views, now, would you like to buy something or will you just browse."

In the United States you will find that anyone, fired, arrested or persecuted under the above examples has a legitimate case against those that have persecuted them as an infringement on their civil liberties. Trust me I can find you many examples of exactly what you are referring to and backing them up with the Law study that shows the person civil liberties had been infringed apon.

A person wearing an Anti Bush T-Shirt (could) be asked to leave the premises, but they can not take it from the person, arrest the person, restrain the person in any manner. A school can ask a student to change an article of clothing thought to be offensive, if the student refuses the only thing the school can do is send the student home.

An employer can not impose upon the civil liberties of its employee's. To do so in your example the Employer must have a specific statement in the Employee handbook that clearly dictates the number and type of "personal slogans, pictures or other articles" that may be presented at your place of employment. (this is your working space) An employer may not however impose or make demands about sticker, slogans, type of of car, condition of car, or any other comment or restriction about your personal transportation unless it pertains to a specific civic code that specifies the conditional parking of said transportation. ie bikes or motorcycles in approved and designated parking stalls, no parking in fire lanes etc. An employer can not demand that you repaint your car in a more pleasing or complimentrary color, make you vaccum your car, or require that you buy expensive wheels for your car, just as they can not make you remove ANY stickers or DECALS that might be afixed to your "transportation".

Does Sanctaphrax still require our assistance to spearhead an assault?

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers and RWC
A January 2003 Nation

Look, does it really matter? If you say his storefront is crap then you aren't to likley to buy anything. So, the owner sees it as mild flaming and asks you to leave. That makes perfect sense. It doesn't matter what employers are or aren't allowed to do. This is an internet game with as terms and conditions which can legally afect free speech.

If you wanht to carry on with this why not start another thread. I wasnt to RP about troop movements and actions etc. however you persist in continuing this aregument.

So, either start a new thread or stay silent. Only stuff relating to the defence of Sanctaphrax. Anything else, start a new thread. Ok?

Well, just think about it. YOu go into a popular department store, then go to the manager and say " This place is crap."

I expect they would ask you to leave. It is very unlikly they would say " Oh, we value your views, now, would you like to buy something or will you just browse."

A good store manager, that wants to keep his job, will ask the customer why he thinks the place is crap to find out a way to improve what ever the problem is.

The CUSTOMER is the only thing that keeps the STORE in business.

All it takes is that CUSTOMER to call the Companys head office and complain to the District Manager that the manager was rude etc and then explain to them why they felt the store was crap. And then the District Manager will get involved and ask the store manager why they are not listening to their "potential" customers. What if the potential customer saw cashiers stealing money, giving hookups to their friends, chatting on the phone, but apparently had no time to answer some questions of a "potential customer".

Trust me I have over 10 years experience being a retail manager.

IDF will send the 3rd and 9th fleets along with 450,000 ground troops and much or our air force to help our ally Sanctaphrax.

The government has seized civilian 747s to help make the process of deployment quicker.
((OOC: Perfectionist.))

The Defence Ministry announced plans to increase the number of troops in Sanctaphrax substantially today. It is thought they would be based in temporary barracks', with no planned objective, as reserve troops. Confirmation of this is awaited from the Sanctophraxian Government.

((OOC: Sorry, i just realised a few hours ago I've been spelling your name worngly. :eek: ))

A good store manager, that wants to keep his job, will ask the customer why he thinks the place is crap to find out a way to improve what ever the problem is.

The CUSTOMER is the only thing that keeps the STORE in business.

All it takes is that CUSTOMER to call the Companys head office and complain to the District Manager that the manager was rude etc and then explain to them why they felt the store was crap. And then the District Manager will get involved and ask the store manager why they are not listening to their "potential" customers. What if the potential customer saw cashiers stealing money, giving hookups to their friends, chatting on the phone, but apparently had no time to answer some questions of a "potential customer".

Trust me I have over 10 years experience being a retail manager.


Yes, but if it is a perfectly good storefront in NS and 1 person says it is crap, the owner couldn't care less. If there was a large amount of them, then something is evidently wrong. Please learn that NS isn't an exact parallel to RL, there are different rules, be them written or unwritten. Now can we actually get rping.

((OOC: Perfectionist.))

The Defence Ministry announced plans to increase the number of troops in Sanctaphrax substantially today. It is thought they would be based in temporary barracks', with no planned objective, as reserve troops. Confirmation of this is awaited from the Sanctophraxian Government.

((OOC: Sorry, i just realised a few hours ago I've been spelling your name worngly. :eek: ))
OOC: what is more worrying is that you spelt wrongly, wrongly.:)

IC: We will accept more Jonothanian troops in Sanctaphrax but we feel that more airpower and Naval power is needed. Tanks as well would be extremely useful.

Drum Gods, you are still more than welcome to spearhead an assualt on him. Unfortunately I won't be able to help for the time being but maybe later ok?

As a long term friend and ally of IDF, and a new ally of Sanctaphrax, I wish to firstly offer my greetings to you, and secondly, offer you any assistance you may need in terms of aerial combat power. Should it also be required, I can provide elements of the Royal Navy for use in defensive measures, although with the recent influx of new ships, few crews are fully capable of handling large scale offensive actions.

Just simply tell us what aspect of air power you require, be it fighter coverage, CAS, counter-insurgency, reconnaisance, logistical support, AWACs, or maritime patrol. We shall provide.

As a long term friend and ally of IDF, and a new ally of Sanctaphrax, I wish to firstly offer my greetings to you, and secondly, offer you any assistance you may need in terms of aerial combat power. Should it also be required, I can provide elements of the Royal Navy for use in defensive measures, although with the recent influx of new ships, few crews are fully capable of handling large scale offensive actions.

Just simply tell us what aspect of air power you require, be it fighter coverage, CAS, counter-insurgency, reconnaisance, logistical support, AWACs, or maritime patrol. We shall provide.
Seeing as our first priority is defense, we would request fighters. They need to be (as I'm sure most are) all weather as our weather changes constantly. Their main job will be patrolling around certain areas, most likely the bay as thats a dangerous point and where the invasion will probably come from. We thank you for your kind offer of help and hope that diplomatic relations between our countries continue to grow. We shall not forget this kindness you have done us and hope that we may be able to return the favour someday.

OOC: Are you a member of either JDA or ANP?

Attn:Sanctaphrax Government

New Logan would like to increase its level of participation in the military "exercises" being performed off its coastline by it and its allies. We would like to send our 2 Wasp class ships, 'NLN Firefly' and 'NLN Spright'.

Both will be carrying 10 AV-8B Harriers and 5 SH-60 LAMPS MK III Seahawks each, plus 2 MH-60 PaveHawks each and supplies to support themselves as well as the already stationed Crusaders and MLRS.

The Ships will deploy within the next 48 hours and should arrive within another 72 hours from that.

General Andrew McMasters
– Head of the New Logan armed forces

Attn:Sanctaphrax Government

New Logan would like to increase its level of participation in the military "exercises" being performed off its coastline by it and its allies. We would like to send our 2 Wasp class ships, 'NLN Firefly' and 'NLN Spright'.

Both will be carrying 10 AV-8B Harriers and 5 SH-60 LAMPS MK III Seahawks each, plus 2 MH-60 PaveHawks each and supplies to support themselves as well as the already stationed Crusaders and MLRS.

The Ships will deploy within the next 48 hours and should arrive within another 72 hours from that.

General Andrew McMasters
– Head of the New Logan armed forces
*secret telegram to New Logan*
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Thank you for your support of us, it is very touching that a nation so small who is not allied to us still sees this as important enough to send troops to. We will clear space for your ships at our docks. Thank you for your support and we will one day return the favour,
Cowlquape Pentephraxis,
PM of Sanctaphrax
**********************************************************

OOC: Eeh by gum!

IC: The defence of Sanctaphraxz will be aided by us. The first forces we can have moved to you is a small battlefleet, comprising:

2 Frunze battleships
2 Tempest battlecruisers
4 Slava cruisers
3 Kara cruisers
3 Udaloy destroyers
2 Sovremenniy destroyers
5 Berezina AORs

Thank you to DPUO for sending troops to help us out. We think that we are ready for any attack that Dracoinus may launch. We will contact them for peaceful negotiations but we feel that due to their temperamental nature that they would rather we go to war.

Secret Telegram sent To Sanctaphrax.
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My fellow nation,

It seems like only yesterday when you visited my country and we became pretty strong allies. I promise you, I will aid you anyway I can in this terrible conflict. Please inform me what military branch you need the most and units you would like, and I will try my best to aid you.

Best wishes,
President Kyle Biedinger of The United Republic of Kyleralia
Kylesburgh City, Kyleralia
*********************************************************

OOC: By the way, what happened to the Alt. WWII thread we are waiting for confirmation from you about the treaty.

Very well. Four squadrons of F-114 Wolfcat fighters will be made available for air defence and light strike missions against any invading forces. In addition to these squadrons, an AWACS/ELINT squadron is also en route, as well as a logistics squadron to handle cargo and in-flight refueling requirements.

We request an airfield to be handed over to the support staff and a detachment of our own guards, and that all non-McLeodian personell be temporarily excluded from said base. Once the threat of invasion has been removed, the base will be handed back to Sanctaphraxian troops.

Very well. Four squadrons of F-114 Wolfcat fighters will be made available for air defence and light strike missions against any invading forces. In addition to these squadrons, an AWACS/ELINT squadron is also en route, as well as a logistics squadron to handle cargo and in-flight refueling requirements.

We request an airfield to be handed over to the support staff and a detachment of our own guards, and that all non-McLeodian personell be temporarily excluded from said base. Once the threat of invasion has been removed, the base will be handed back to Sanctaphraxian troops.
We will grant you an airbase in the countryside near New Undertown, which is about 70 miles from the coast. That is the closest we have. All personnel have been evacuated from there.

Secret Telegram sent To Sanctaphrax.
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My fellow nation,

It seems like only yesterday when you visited my country and we became pretty strong allies. I promise you, I will aid you anyway I can in this terrible conflict. Please inform me what military branch you need the most and units you would like, and I will try my best to aid you.

Best wishes,
President Kyle Biedinger of The United Republic of Kyleralia
Kylesburgh City, Kyleralia
*********************************************************

OOC: By the way, what happened to the Alt. WWII thread we are waiting for confirmation from you about the treaty.
*secret telegram to Kyleralia*
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Kyleralian allies,
Indeed it does, and we are strong allies, that is why I sent you the message requesting help. Our Naval power is not as good as it could be. If you could supply us with some ships then it would be most welcome. Do not feel rushed, as many ships as you can, send.
Thank you for your help during this difficult time.
Cowlquape Pentephraxis,
PM of Sanctaphrax
**********************************************************
OOC: I assume its finished. The treaty signed and that's it.

"truely remarkable... this is..."

" I am sorry sir?"

" I mean look at all the movement, they must be preparing for something BIG"

... a slight chuckle bellows from the Commander

"Well... it really is a shame Sir, I mean.. what a tragedy it will be for them"

... the Commander acknowledges the Junior INTEL Officer with a casual smile...

"yes, I am afraid it just might be.."

"truely remarkable... this is..."

" I am sorry sir?"

" I mean look at all the movement, they must be preparing for something BIG"

... a slight chuckle bellows from the Commander

"Well... it really is a shame Sir, I mean.. what a tragedy it will be for them"

... the Commander acknowledges the Junior INTEL Officer with a casual smile...

"yes, I am afraid it just might be.."
MT not FT remember? no orbital strikes. And a nuclear strike would get you crushed SO fast that you wouldn't even have time to say your prayers.

Considering our Goverment has already put Billions of dollars into space weapons according to the actual "in game" issues options and considering I already have documented Orbital Weapons platforms as per both the Attack on GRAYS HILL manufacturing and the proposed threat of war by DERSCON. I can not see how I could be precluded from using Orbital Weapons if I choose to do so.

Dracoinus MT/FT 2075 circa. Home Planet in the Draconian Sector, not originally from Earth. Humanoid population that is 99.9% similar to Earthly Humanoids. Military and Diplomatic forces are composed of a "certain" percentage of BNC's (Biological-Nanotechnology Clones).

But if you want to make this more of a challenge for me I can opt out and not use an Orbital Ground Strike Weapon.

I had something more sinister planned anyways so that is fine.

Look, I have no problem RPing a war with you. But I am MT, and to the best of my knowledge neither America, Russia or China have yet devised orbital nukes. If we RP a war I would prefer it, as per all my RP's, no nukes at all. They completely ruin a war.

I agree with Sanctaphrax on the nuke issue, and besides, it ruins any usable land that may be of benefit to the victor.

Does Sanctaphrax require our help?

Does Sanctaphrax require our help?
Yeah, you were planning to launch a pre-emptive assault on him.

Well, can you provide us with any details of who our allies are and information about the geography of the enemy?

My Orbital Ground Strike Weapon System is not a "nuke" and the aftermath of the weapon is non-radioactive.

The technology employed in my Space Weaponary (although common in circa 2075) is currently in development by DARPA in the US.

In paticular the "high density" rods/slag/rounds that are released at hyper velocity in the stratosphere and used to target ground objects. They are part of the LEO Space Based Weapons Program currently being funded by over 12 Billion dollars in research money over the next three years (RL 2004-2007).

http://www.stormingmedia.us/27/2754/A275443.html

Abstract: The Defense Nuclear Agency (DNA) Kinetic Energy Weapon Lethality and Target Hardening Program (LTH-5) has studied hypervelocity impacts on simple and complex targets for a number of years on behalf of the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization (SDIO). The test parameter space includes projectile masses from 0.1 - 93 grams and velocities ranging from 1 .9 km/s.

Report Date: JAN 1991

Limitations: APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE

http://www.stormingmedia.us/61/6180/A618043.html

Acceleration of Projectiles to Hypervelocities using a Series of Imploded Annular Plasma Discharges

Authors: D. A. Tidman; S. A. Goldstein; JAYCOR ALEXANDRIA VA
Abstract: A mass accelerator system using a series of imploded annular plasma pinches to propel projectiles of mass ranging from grams to kilograms up to high velocities is analyzed theoretically. Such a device would have applications ranging from basic materials and impact studies to space probe launching and impact fusion.

Limitations: APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE

Pages: 41

Report Date: 01 OCT 79

Report number: A618043


As you can see from the above the technology that I have stated and is used in my Orbital Ground Strike Weapon System has been in development since 1979. Since it is now 2004. The work has moved from analyzed theory to active development.


Do you know that "rail guns" actually exist ? The army has them and has been testing them for over 5 years in a practical battelfield application.

OOC: On that point we are a modern tech nation and do not really engage with nation that base a proportion of their military on space technology. OUr space technology is reserved for satellites and research of our universe.

OOC: Well Dracoinus has heavily funded space weaponary and if there is a way to see how I have past legistlation (issues) using the XML interface for NS you will clearly see that I have voted to spend Billions of dollars on R&D and moved a major portion of the military budget to space weaponary.

Dracoinus has both SAT-Intel and SAT-Kill systems. As well as SAT-COM, GPS and Orbital/ Sub Orb Long Wave Microwave Relay SAT's.

The COM net overlaps coverage for the LWM Relay SAT's and vice versa.

As well as several classified Terra Watt Power Generation Stations (land based and actually do exist today in the US) that power the "kill" grid.

Look, wrap it up in as many initials as you want. No space tech and no ABC weapons.

Look, wrap it up in as many initials as you want. No space tech and no ABC weapons.


I agree.

I agree.
As for Geography you'll have to ask him. For allies use Phalanix. You two should tear him apart alone.

OOC: So Dracoinus can I have some geo info? No space tech.

IC:The Alliance of Power will destroy Dracoinus.

wwa mobilizes troops to Sanctaphrax

Helping defend the holy lands.

Army -

2 500 000 Ground Troops.

250 M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank
250 M3A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle Systems (BFVS)
300 Merkava 4
300 Merkava 3 Baz
200 M113 Armoured Personnel Carrier
200 M577A3 Command Post Carrier
220 M113A4 Armored Medical Evacuation Vehicle AMEV
200 M6 Bradley Linebacker (BL)
200 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
150 M270 MLRS Self-Propelled Loader/Launcher (SPLL)
100 Stryker Armored Vehicle
150 Avenger (Pedestal Mounted Stinger)
200 Rapier Field Standard C
300 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV)
200 M151 Jeep
700 Assorted support units (Ammo, Refuel etc.)

Air Force -

10 000 Pilots and ground crew.

8 B-1B Lancer
8 B-2 Spirit
15 F-117A Nighthawk
10 AC-130 Spectre
15 A-10/OA-10 Thunderbolt II
15 F-15 Eagle
15 F-16 Fighting Falcon
15 F/A-18 Hornet
20 F-22 Raptor
20 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
15 C-130 Hercules
20 C-141B Starlifter
20 KC-135R Stratotanker
15 E-3 Sentry (AWACS)
20 E-8 Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (Joint STARS / JSTARS)
10 MiG-29 FULCRUM (MIKOYAN-GUREVICH)
15 Typhoon EF-2000 Eurofighter
15 JAS 39 Gripen
10 Nimrod R1

25 AH-6J Little Bird
30 AH-64 Apache
35 RAH-66 Comanche
25 CH/HH-3 Jolly Green Giant
25 UH-60 Blackhawk
25 UH-60Q MEDEVAC
20 MH-53J Pave Low III
20 EH101 Merlin

To Be Shipped around the holy land, to protect it to the full.

Official wwa document, code 94429 - 9921, Important

ooc: Will take Several NS months to ship this amount of stuff over.

The Empire of Dracoinus is the entire Northern Hemisphere of the planet. The major population bases consist of North America from what is the middle of Mexico extending up into the Artic Circle of Canada. Including the Island of Greenland. The Pacific Island Chain that is Hawaii has been supplemented by an artificial reef construction that house additional naval batteries, docks and support airstrips.

The Pacific Coast has been fortified at the 10 Mile point with artificial pylons and composite cabling to deter "un-authorized" vessels from approaching the coastline while preserving its natural beauty and sight line from the land. Breach points exist every 100 miles and are supported by both automated and manned defense "items".

The Atlantic Coast has no artificial pylons but instead has specific "channels" for vessel traffic. Traveling outside of the specified channels is not advised due to the excessive amount of underwater mines, active magnetic bombs and assorted counter threat deterrent devices dropped into the Atlantic Ocean off the Eastern Sea Board during the 2010 -2015 Arab Christian conflict.

The Gulf of “Mexico” is the home to the Naval Battery and Test Range. The gulf is used as a giant test center for advanced warfare technologies.

The arm of “Florida” after the Arab Christian Conflict the southern portion of Florida devastated by bombing attacks was leveled and re-fortified into a Military Operations center. It is also home to the Southern Spear Submarine Warfare Operations Center.

The "Mexico Territories" Mexico was divided soon after the Arab Christian conflict ended in 2016 the lower half being divided by the Empire of Dracoinus by a continent wide barrier wall. The wall constructed of ored seabed material, concrete and synthetic crystals is over two hundred feet thick in some areas. And stands over 25 feet tall.

The Northern Ice Plateau is home to several key military installations that remain classified to the general public. NIP is also home to 1 of 4 “NORAD” style command centers in addition to a vast array of detection systems including IR, Thermal, Sonic, Radar, ISOTOPE detection, Orbital Tracking etc.

This is an overview of the some of the more prominent physical/ geographic points concerning the Empire of Dracoinus and in no means represents the total depth of either capabilities or military emplacements.

The Empire of Dracoinus is the entire Northern Hemisphere of the planet.

.


Are you actually being serious? You actually claim all that land? Secondly, do not forget we're modern tech.

By the way 16% of the total population of the Empire of Dracoinus are in the military so if you are thinking of invading you are going to need a force capable of taking on over 145 Million well equipped and trained military personel fighting on their home ground.

And if you care to look at my stats again 30% of my GDP goes to Defense Spending.

Due to the populations insistence on preserving the natural beauty of the Territories most manufacturing plants have been constructed underground conserving the surface space for lush natural surroundings. Therefore very few artificial structures actually reside on the surface. Those that do are wonderful masterpieces of design that intergrate peacefully into the surroundings.

996 Million people, yupe

That does not justify your claim. My population is 2.4 billion and I don't claim all that land.

By the way 16% of the total population of the Empire of Dracoinus are in the military so if you are thinking of invading you are going to need a force capable of taking on over 145 Million well equipped and trained military personel fighting on their home ground.

And if you care to look at my stats again 30% of my GDP goes to Defense Spending.

Due to the populations insistence on preserving the natural beauty of the Territories most manufacturing plants have been constructed underground conserving the surface space for lush natural surroundings. Therefore very few artificial structures actually reside on the surface. Those that do are wonderful masterpieces of design that intergrate peacefully into the surroundings.

16%? Yeah right. 5% is questonable. 10% is possible if you give a very good explanation. 16% is just laughable.

Based on my population, I spend 40-45% of government finance and private enterprise on the military, we are huge and yet we only claim 8-10% of our population as part of the army maximum.Ever.

Based on my population, I spend 40-45% of government finance and private enterprise on the military, we are huge and yet we only claim 8-10% of our population as part of the army maximum.Ever.
OOC that is still too large. It is impossible for the logistics with an army of nearly 200 million

OOC: 16% is an accurate number of the total population in Military Service. As all service members are trained and equipped but that does not mean that all 145 Million of them are "battlefield soliders". Most are in logistics and command, they operate the radar equipment, detection arrays, man fire control systems, operate UAV's, work in the manufacturing centers, repair and maintenance, food service, laundry and house keeping etc. 80 Million of the active military service members are the civil defense forces. These are what you could compare to "militia". They conduct training exercises every weekend for 6 hours. They have been through basic training and most have additional specialized training. They keep weaponary at home and work in their industry of choice, most often it is in a logistics capacity for industries that support military goods. They work in electronics, manufacturing, machining, product development, weapons research etc. 20 Million of the 145 Million are the "police force" as Dracoinus has no state sponsored "police force" the local police is actually a division of the Armed Services. These 20 Million are the highly trained and skills Urban Warefare Special Forces of UWSF. They are the acting "police force". That leaves 45 Million active duty, combat ready personel. Again this is split up between the various classes of service, Aircraft Pilots both combat and support, Naval Captains combat and support, Ground Drivers both combat and support, Marines, Rangers, Army, Airforce combat soldiers, Medical support staff combat and base operations, Special Warfare Teams (150,000 personel in this class), Battlefield Intelligence Officers (20,000 personel in this class), Field Commanders (10,000), Battalion Commanders (1,000) etc

Even with logistics and reserves, it should never exceet 5% and I won't accept anything over 10 million in army sizes in most cases as you need logistics. This is a godmode and an army of this size gets a hard IGNORE!

IDF, agreed.
Dracoinus, you're desperate to gain some kind of foothold here aren't you? Whether its orbital weapons, owning the entire Northern Hemisphere or having a 16% military.:rolleyes:

wwa, you know that he's threatening Sanctaphrax not Israel right? Israel belongs to IDF.

Even with logistics and reserves, it should never exceet 5% and I won't accept anything over 10 million in army sizes in most cases as you need logistics. This is a godmode and an army of this size gets a hard IGNORE!

Logistics are included in my figures, try reading and you will see the amount of logistics personel I have stated.

981 Million people which is more then 4 times larger then the United States with all THATS a BIG ALL people from the age of 16 to 45 MUST serve Mandatory Military Service Duty. Whether it is in logistics, support, repairs and maintenance, cooking, laundry etc. Try going over my figures again and you will see that I know what I am talking about. DID YOU forget that I said 80 Million are Civil Defense Forces and another 20 Million are the military police force.

Its not GODMODE when you can accuratly justify the numbers. DID I EVER ONCE SAY that all 145 Million are front line "Battlefield Soliders" NOPE.

Regardless of what you think the reality is that my society has mandatory military service. Just look at Israel. Male Female doesnt matter if you are 18 then you MUST serve at least 2 years in the military. THATS MUST. And its a fact.

Now Israel does not have a population of 981 Million but if you care to actually look up the population of Israel vs the number of active service member and then find what that percentage is you will find that Dracoinus having a 16% military service rate is not a GODMODE.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

People Israel Top of Page
Population:
6,199,008
note: includes about 187,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, more than 5,000 in the Gaza Strip, and fewer than 177,000 in East Jerusalem (July 2004 est.)

Age structure:
0-14 years: 26.7% (male 847,591; female 808,399)
15-64 years: 63.4% (male 1,976,539; female 1,954,782)
65 years and over: 9.9% (male 262,781; female 348,916) (2004 est.)

Military Israel Top of Page
Military branches:
Israel Defense Forces (IDF): Ground Corps (including Pioneer Fighting Youth (Nahal)), Navy, Air Force(including Air Defense Forces); note - historically there have been no separate Israeli military services

Military manpower - military age:
18 years of age (2004 est.)

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 1,581,883
females age 15-49: 1,532,234
note: both sexes are liable for military service (2004 est.)

Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 1,294,742
females age 15-49: 1,250,969 (2004 est.)

THATS 2,545,711 ACTIVE SERVICE MEMBERS out of a population of 6,199,008

THATS 41% of the population in military service so my 16% should be VERY realistic for a militarized society.

IF you are doing this because you know you have already been beat then just admit it and move on. Not play the coward and complain just because you have been out RP'd before the first shot has even been fired.

16% is an accurate number of the total population in Military Service. As all service members are trained and equipped but that does not mean that all 145 Million of them are "battlefield soliders". Most are in logistics and command

MAYBE YOU CANT READ BUT I REPOSTED THIS SO MAYBE YOU WILL GET IT

RIGHT THERE IT SAYS 'Most are in logistics and command'.

Before you start throwing out, GODMODE, try reading next time

Logistics are included in my figures, try reading and you will see the amount of logistics personel I have stated.

981 Million people which is more then 4 times larger then the United States with all THATS a BIG ALL people from the age of 16 to 45 MUST serve Mandatory Military Service Duty. Whether it is in logistics, support, repairs and maintenance, cooking, laundry etc. Try going over my figures again and you will see that I know what I am talking about. DID YOU forget that I said 80 Million are Civil Defense Forces and another 20 Million are the military police force.

Its not GODMODE when you can accuratly justify the numbers. DID I EVER ONCE SAY that all 145 Million are front line "Battlefield Soliders" NOPE.

Regardless of what you think the reality is that my society has mandatory military service. Just look at Israel. Male Female doesnt matter if you are 18 then you MUST serve at least 2 years in the military. THATS MUST. And its a fact.

Now Israel does not have a population of 981 Million but if you care to actually look up the population of Israel vs the number of active service member and then find what that percentage is you will find that Dracoinus having a 16% military service rate is not a GODMODE.

IF you are doing this because you know you have already been beat then just admit it and move on. Not play the coward and complain just because you have been out RP'd before the first shot has even been fired.
seriously, me and IDF and the rest of us have given you a lot of leeway but honestly.
1) You own the entire nothern hemisphere? Thats a Sephiroth proportion godmod.
2) I don't care what you try and do to justify it, I work by NS rules and they say 3-5% except in wartime when 10% may be possible.
3) Israel has between 2-3 years in the army, you're talking about 30+ years, i'm surprised you have a population with those kinds of rules.
4) Out RPed? in what way? Show me the thread where you took over the entire Northern Hemisphere without a cry of GODMOD please?:rolleyes:

16% is an accurate number of the total population in Military Service. As all service members are trained and equipped but that does not mean that all 145 Million of them are "battlefield soliders". Most are in logistics and command

MAYBE YOU CANT READ BUT I REPOSTED THIS SO MAYBE YOU WILL GET IT

RIGHT THERE IT SAYS 'Most are in logistics and command'.

Before you start throwing out, GODMODE, try reading next time
Listen very carefully, i'll say it again. NS rules say that between 3-5% are in the army during peacetime and up to 10% during wartime. Give whatever excuses you want, they're the rules. I follow the rules, therefore you don't have 16%. I defy you to find a single nation (except Seph) that claims that kind of army. Drum Gods has already told you that he is over 2X your size and he doesn't have that kind of army.
My army? reserves and all, 5 million.

Where is it dictated in the NS rules that 3 to 5% military STAFF during peacetime and a maximum of 10%.

WHERE, show me the link, show me in writing that it says this.

As for the geographical location of the Empire of Dracoinus it is only what is logical to support a population that has strong economic growth to cover that size of land. Even in the RL those areas combined do not even come close to 981 Million people.

NS world has many overlapping claims to geographical location, we are only concerned at the moment with the opposing parties and what areas they contend to operate within. Since there are over 100,000 NS Nations it is highly unlikely that they could all co-exist on the same RL world.

Get over it, the Empire of Dracoinus inhabits most of North America.

THATS 2,545,711 ACTIVE SERVICE MEMBERS out of a population of 6,199,008
And that is BS. Don't know where you picked it up but it is. Arabs don't serve, Charidim don't serve, a majority of 21+ or 18- don't serve, so thank you for the daily joke but that is all it is. Being a citizen I can gladly claim that that is complete crap.

Get over it, the Empire of Dracoinus inhabits most of North America.
:headbang:
North America/Northern Hemisphere, not the same place!
Besides, you need to RP taking over it. Decisive Action may not like you claiming that you own all of North America. I'll tell him and he'll let you know by himself.

Sorry that you cant handle the truth, but that is indeed the figure TODAY for Israel, these are Israeli citizens. The information is from the world fact book released by the State Department of the United States and documents all that statistics for every country in the world.

ISRAEL has MANDATORY military service for anyone over the age of 18 and THEY must serve at least 2 YEARS.

YOU CAN NOT DISPUTE what the RL facts are.

I have no problem with simultaneous claims on the same geographical area of the RL planet. Like I stated there are over 100,000 NS nations that either must exist in "seperate" moments of time or be forced to share the same geographical location. I just RP as if the other Nation does not exist during the time frame that Dracoinus exists.

Sorry but again with over 100,000 there is no way to satisfy every persons claim on land masses.

:headbang:
North America/Northern Hemisphere, not the same place!


North America is in the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE. Since I dont recognise "North America" as existing anymore I used the term North America so you have some Geographical information as to where Dracoinus is.

North America is a continent in the Northern Hemisphere of the planet earth.

http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/nh.html

Why dont you click on the click and see where "North America" is.

Sorry that you cant handle the truth, but that is indeed the figure TODAY for Israel, these are Israeli citizens. The information is from the world fact book released by the State Department of the United States and documents all that statistics for every country in the world.

ISRAEL has MANDATORY military service for anyone over the age of 18 and THEY must serve at least 2 YEARS.

YOU CAN NOT DISPUTE what the RL facts are.

I have no problem with simultaneous claims on the same geographical area of the RL planet. Like I stated there are over 100,000 NS nations that either must exist in "seperate" moments of time or be forced to share the same geographical location. I just RP as if the other Nation does not exist during the time frame that Dracoinus exists.

Sorry but again with over 100,000 there is no way to satisfy every persons claim on land masses.
BUT YOU HAVE TO RP IT!!!
You can't just say, I take over the whole of North America thats it I own it.
And don't lecture me on Israel. I live here remember? I am well aware of the military draft.
And I don't know where you pulled the figure from but I can't find it. Please cite a source.

North America is in the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE. Since I dont recognise "North America" as existing anymore I used the term North America so you have some Geographical information as to where Dracoinus is.

North America is a continent in the Northern Hemisphere of the planet earth.

http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/nh.html

Why dont you click on the click and see where "North America" is.
I'm going to do some Dracoinus RPing;
"I just took over Britain without telling anyone. I now own Europe."

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

I already provided the above source with the complete population and military service data.

And no I do not have to RP taking the location of where Dracoinus is, this would mean I would have to RP about 40,000 to 60,000 other "Nations" that also claim North America or parts of it as homes for their Nations.

So no I do not have to RP some other "nation" for the ability to use North America as the location for Dracoinus.

Since my home Region is also co-ordinated with the North Hemisphere of the planet it is no problem for my Nation to exist in North America, the added benefit that I do not currently share this region with any other Nations allows me the ability to claim what ever geographical location within my region as a home for my Nation. Based upon the size of my population I have chosen the amount of the land space required to adequately represent the growth and economic strength of my Nation.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

I already provided the above source with the complete population and military service data.
I assume that you mean this;

"Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 1,294,742
females age 15-49: 1,250,969 (2004 est.)"

well, this says FIT FOR MILITARY SERVICE. I may have gone to the army between ages 18-21 and be 39 now and still be FIT for service. That only shows how many could potentially be in the army, not how many are.

I'm going to do some Dracoinus RPing;
"I just took over Britain without telling anyone. I now own Europe."

I guess this is the tactic that you have settle on since you can not provided any NS rules that support your position of military service strength limits.

You have documented your force strength and I have documented mine, the only difference is that you dont stand a chance in hell in defeating me so you have resulted in this petty nickering about WHERE my Nation is located. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE. Should I create a new island in the middle of the Atlantic, would that be better ? Should I claim India ? Maybe my Nation of 981 Million people just float in the air and inhabit no land space at all, would that be better. Maybe they all live under the ocean in man made structures, having no access to resources other then water. WOULD THAT BE BETTER FOR YOU.

Stop acting like a child, the geographical location of Dracoinus has no barring on the situation at hand other then it could provide you logistical data on how your "allies" might want to attack me.

first, don't get pissed off cause you can't actually prove your facts.

second, I said that you need to RP taking over a territory to take it. Your nation can be situated near a nation but it isn't actually IN a nation.

third, I don't need proof, ask any nation what the limit is and they'll say 10%. DG said so, IDF said that he doesn't accept over 10 million, everyone i've ever met says so. Otherwise whats to stop you saying that you have a military draft from age 8-70 and therefore you'd have about 80% in the army.

I guess this is the tactic that you have settle on since you can not provided any NS rules that support your position of military service strength limits.

You have documented your force strength and I have documented mine, the only difference is that you dont stand a chance in hell in defeating me so you have resulted in this petty nickering about WHERE my Nation is located. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE. Should I create a new island in the middle of the Atlantic, would that be better ? Should I claim India ? Maybe my Nation of 981 Million people just float in the air and inhabit no land space at all, would that be better. Maybe they all live under the ocean in man made structures, having no access to resources other then water. WOULD THAT BE BETTER FOR YOU.

Stop acting like a child, the geographical location of Dracoinus has no barring on the situation at hand other then it could provide you logistical data on how your "allies" might want to attack me.

It doesn't eally matter where you reside. But, if you are going to say where you do, you have to have claimed it. And no matter how many facts and figures you invent saying that you have a realistic army, we will IGNORE you. Plain and simple. IGNORE.

There is no way that 16% of anyones population is the millitary. Thats precedent, no one has ever gone higher than 10 percent and no one ever will. Its like English common law.

First off I already proved my facts about Israel and its Military Service members vs total population. Just click on the link for the world fact book that I already provided.

Second the idea that your "nation" resides nowhere until you "rp" some other person that has layed claim to the same territory is absolutely absurd. Like I said previously you would have thousands of people "rping" each other over the same geographic location.

Third for a militarized society 16% is very realistic. It does not matter what your "english common law" notion is, the fact is nowhere does it state IN WRITTING that your armed forces can not exceed 10% under ANY condition. So until you can provide BLACK AND WHITE proof under the NS service terms you are just speaking garbage.

And forth proclaiming that you will just put be on IGNORE means I won and I will post it as such. Your failure to accept the facts as they are means you just want to have everything your way and when confronted by an opponent that can out smart you and has obvious more intellect and data about the "real world" you clam up like a scared little boy.

Oh and Sanctaphrax I have documented all the times you have told other players that you "will go tell a mod" and it makes you look like the whinny boy who cried wolf. Grow up. If you can't compete or cant stand losing then stop trying to act pompus, thinking you know it all. You lack the common sense of the 12 year old and in the "RL" I am sure you have not amounted to anything special.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/idf.htm

All eligible men and women are drafted at age 18. Men serve for three years, women for 21 months. Deferments may be granted to qualified students at institutions of higher education. New immigrants may be deferred or serve for shorter periods of time, depending on their age and personal status on entering the country. Upon completion of compulsory service, each soldier is assigned to a reserve unit. Men up to age 51 serve up to 39 days a year, a period of time which can be extended in times of emergency. Veterans of compulsory service meeting current IDF needs may sign up as career officers or NCOs. The career service constitutes the command and administrative backbone of the IDF. Graduates of officers' or pilots' schools or special military technical schools are required to sign on for periods of career service.



Israel's ground, air, and naval forces, known as the Israel Defense Force (IDF), fall under the command of a single general staff. Conscription is universal for Jewish men and women over the age of 18, although exemptions may be made on religious grounds. Druze, members of a small Islamic sect living in Israel's mountains, also serve in the IDF. Israeli Arabs, with few exceptions, do not serve. During 1950-66, Israel spent an average of 9% of GDP on defense. Real defense expenditures increased dramatically after both the 1967 and 1973 wars. In 1996, the military budget reached 10.6% of GDP and represented about 21.5% of the total 1996 budget.


http://www.nationmaster.com/country/is/Military


Manpower - fit for military service (males age 15-49): 1,279,277 [89th of 174]
(per capita): 209.15 per 1000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/mil_man_fit_for_mil_ser_mal_age_154

OOC: you can't RP that military, it is a godmode. Read this, it is only possible for a smaller nation to RP that way and you are too large and I will ignore you if you deploy a military of that size.

Okay, next up, we have the State of Israel, which is another nation that breaks a few of the rules, this time being the “no more than 2% in the active military” one. It’s also on the extreme end for a few other things as well.



Nation: Israel
Population: 6.2 million
GDP: $117.4 billion
GDP Per Capita: $18,935.48
Active Military Personnel: 172,000
Portion of Population: 2.77%
Military Spending: $9 billion
Portion of GDP: 7.67%
Spending Per Active Soldier: $52,325.58
Military Nature: All-or-nothing defensive
Infrastructure: Moderate
Logistics Support: Moderate
Experience: High
Training: High
Equipment: Modern


What it Means:
Israel is a small nation surrounded by hostile neighbors. As such, it has required a large military on constant alert to protect it. The military is moderately well funded, and this has translated into some good equipment and excellent training. Due to the size of the nation, there is only a single line of defense, that is required to hold out and defeat any attack, as the breaching of its defenses can easily spell doom for the tiny nation. The logistics and infrastructure are quite good, but are limited to supporting operations in or near the nation’s borders, with almost no interregional capability. Equipment is primarily modern, but do to realities in both budget and production, anything that can still be used is in service. This means equipment captured from previous wars (modified of course) and even some things dating back to WWII. However, the bulk of the units are still modern, if not quite top-of-the-line. Also due to the critical situation facing the country, a massive reserve force can be mobilized within days, faster than almost any other military.
Military spending and the portion of the population in the military are notably high, and Israel is the only nation with a truly modern force that comes anywhere near these levels. Again, this is due only to the hostile neighbors and lack of allies in the region. Of course, this has adversely affected the economy, but is a necessary evil if the country is to survive.


Equipment:
Israel relies heavily on its tank corps, and the 11 armored divisions (3 active, 8 reserve) possess well over 3500 main battle tanks, about half of which are the excellent Merkava series. The number two units are the 1150 Magach 5 and 6 tanks, which are M48 and M60 MBTs upgraded with modern systems and reactive armor. The Magach 7 (aka Sabra), which is a version boasting new passive armor rather than reactive, is in service in much smaller numbers. Added to this are about 300 Centurian tanks, which are based on a 1940s design. Finally, the 200+ Tiran 5 and 6 (captured and modified T-55 and T-62) units round out the force. It should also be noted that almost all of these designs are relatively slow by today’s standards. This is, however, not much of an issue because of the small area of the nation and the defensive tactics being used.
Israeli infantry is almost always mechanized, as static positions are of little value due to the nature of the defenses. The most valuable are the 1000+ Achzarit, Nagmashot, and Nagmachon APCs, which are literally T-55, Centurian, and M48 tanks modified for the infantry-carrying role. As such, these units are extremely well protected and excellent for urban engagements. Added to this are 7500 M113 units, all upgraded with additional armor, and 4000 WWII era M2/M3 halftracks. The only thing Israel lacks here is a solid IFV, which would definitely be a boon to their infantry forces.
The artillery force is the most widely varied part of the Israeli army, with 17 different models making up their 1500 or so systems. For towed systems, the bulk of the guns are relatively modern 155mm weapons accounting for 280 guns and 4 models. Added to this are about 70 older 105mm guns, and a handful of captured 122mm and 130mm weapons that remain in service (most of the 130mm guns were upgraded into 155mm). Naturally, self-propelled artillery is more common in the Israeli army, due to the mechanization, and the most important SP system is the 155mm M109 series, which accounts for 700 systems, or about 2/3 of the total force. Added to that are 150 L33 155mm guns (built on WWII Sherman tank chassis), and about 100 big M107 (175mm) and M110(203mm) guns to provide heavy support. The rocket artillery force is the most varied, with half a dozen models. A little over 1/3 of these (84 total) are captured 122mm and 240mm rocket launchers. The primary force, however, comes from four dozen US MLRS systems, and 40 home-built 290mm launchers. Finally, there are 50 160mm light rocket launchers to round things out. Strategic defense is provided by 7 US Lance and 100 new Jericho 2 SRBMs, which could be loaded with nuclear warheads that Israel is believed to have.
For air defense, there are over 800 towed 20mm guns, mostly M167s, which are the same Vulcan cannons used by US aircraft. There are also 35 M163s, which are the same guns mounted on an M113 for added mobility. There are also 150 captured Zu-23 towed guns in service, and 60 mobile ZSU-23-4s. In addition, a few hundred 37mm and 40mm guns also exist. The primary SAMs are the 1000 Redeye launchers, which are of only limited effectiveness. 250 Stingers provide much more effective backup, while four dozen of the deadly Chaparral vehicle round things out.
Israel’s antitank forces are a mix of old and new. The bulk of this force is made up of older Dragon ATGWs, which are powerful, but rather difficult to use. These are backed up by a number of captured Soviet AT-3 systems that can also be used. On the other hand, their heavy ATGWs include the modern TOW-2A and TOW-2B missiles, which are among the best in their class.

Israel’s air force is famous for its training and combat record, and as such has a lot of high-end combat aircraft. The most important of these are the 79 F-15 variants, which form the most elite and exclusive units in the air force. Most of these are older F-15C and A models, but 25 are the F-15I (a version of the F-15E Strike Eagle). In addition to the Eagles, Israel boasts 203 F-16A/B/C/D aircraft, and 20 newer F-16I models (with 83 more expected) round things out. Though quite old now, there are also some 70 heavily upgraded F-4E aircraft, and nearly 40 of the venerable A-4 to provide a ground-attack capability. These aircraft are all provided with a wide array of advanced guided and unguided weapons, including the home-built Python short-range AAM, and the longer ranged AMRAAMs. Reconnaissance is provided by 13 RF-4Es. Israel also has half a dozen AEW&C aircraft in the form of their own Phalcon unit, which is backed up by about 30 ELINT and EW aircraft of various types. Though not major issues due to the size of the nation and proximity of its enemies, Israel also maintains a trio of long-range maritime patrol aircraft, and 8 tankers for aerial refueling. The transport fleet, however, is negligible, with a pair of old Boeing 707s and a dozen C-130H aircraft making up most of the force. The only other units in service are 11 C-47s, the same model that dispensed American paratroopers in WWII. Israel does boast a solid attack helicopter force with almost 50 AH-64A Apache gunships, and 55 older AH-1E/F Cobras, even if these units are a bit dated. There’s also half a dozen ASW helicopters to help hunt the small number of submarines a few of the nation’s enemies possess. The Israelis are much better off in the transport helicopter department, with 40 large CH-53Es, 48 UH-60 variants, and 54 Bell 212s (a twin-engine Huey variant). There are also 44 Bell 206A aircraft, which are a civilian counterpart to the US OH-58. Israel also fields a wide range of UAVs for reconnaissance, though the exact numbers are unknown.
Finally, there are the SAMs. The Arrow 2 ABM system is up now with 2 batteries, while 3 batteries of Patriots provide normal long-range coverage. However, the bulk of the air defense is made up of 17 batteries of older Hawk SAMs, with 8 batteries of Chaparrals providing short-range fire. There are also a number of Stingers in service with the air force.


The Israeli navy, while modern, is very small, owing in part to the fact that there’s only one nation that poses a major naval threat. To deal with this, Israel has purchased a trio of Dolphin submarines (U212 variant) from Germany, giving it one of the best submarine forces in the region, with only Iran being able to match it. The surface force, however, is relatively small, with only 3 Sa’ar 5 corvettes and 9 Sa’ar 4 and 4.5 missile boats providing offensive power. There are also some 37 inshore patrol boats protecting the coast, and a pair of landing vessels that will probably not see much use even in wartime.



Requirements for Copying Israeli Military:
1. Very small nation (in area), or have most or all important targets very close to a hostile border (it needs to be possible to conquer you before anyone can get any assistance there)..
2. Have at least a Strong economy
3. RP economy 1 level below listed (ie, Strong is RPed as Good)
4. Have varied equipment, with some dating back to the formation of your nation’s army, or WWI, whichever comes first.
5. Have enemies directly bordering you totaling several times your population and at least 5 times the number of military personnel of you and any adjacent allies combined.
6. Reflect any previous invasion attempts with a number of captured units still in service with your nation.
7. Do not participate militarily in any conflict overseas.
8. RP any breach of your defenses, however minor, as a critical situation.






ORDER OF BATTLE

Active Force: 3 Armored Divisons, 3 Mechanized Infantry Brigades, 1 Airborne (Mechanized) Brigade, and 3 artillery battalions, plus 5 regional division headquarters controlling defense troops, 2 of which are COIN units tasked with controlling the situation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These provide the first defense against any sudden invasions, and would also be the units that would launch any preemptive attacks. In a major war, their primary objective is to hold off the enemy long enough for the reserves to mobilized, and having done so, help defeat the attacking forces.
It should be noted that the active strength of the armored divisions is only 2 armored brigades and an artillery brigade. Upon mobilization, an additional armored brigade, as well as a mechanized infantry brigade, will be attached.

3 Armored Divisions:
350 Merkava MBT
450 M113 APC
72 M109 SPH
24 MLRS or other 200mm+ MRL

2 COIN (Counter Insurgency) Divisions
150 M48/Tiran 5/Tiran 6
200 Achzarit/Nagmashot/Nagmachon APC

3 Artillery Battalions
24 122mm, 160mm, 240mm, and/or 290mm MRL


Reserves: Upon mobilization, 8 additional armored divisions, 1 Airmobile (Mechanized) Divison, and 10 regional infantry brigades can be called up within 72 hours. These units are meant to get into operation quickly to help repel any invasion and take the workload off their active counterparts. Some may not be up to full strength though, with some equipment missing.

8 Reserve Armored Division:
350 Merkava/Magach/Centurian MBT
350 M113 APC
72 M109/L33 SPH



Special Forces: Due to the nature of its existence, Israel has to rely heavily on special forces and intelligence units to help protect it, and the force is naturally extensive. For starters, each infantry brigade has a Palsar LRRP (Long Range Reconnaissance & PatroL) group to provide clandestine patrols behind enemy lines. Additionally, the military intelligence corps has several elite units for target acquisition, intelligence in Palestinian areas, and deep-cover operations. There is also a specialist antiterrorist force modeled somewhat after the SAS, and known as the Sayeret MATKAL.





Note that I couldn’t get any real detailed organization on the organization here, and this will be updated if and when I do.

In your hour in need we, your ally ID, see it fit for us to send troops to your aid. Though they are not large in number, they can get the job done.

Sincerly,

And forth proclaiming that you will just put be on IGNORE means I won and I will post it as such. Your failure to accept the facts as they are means you just want to have everything your way and when confronted by an opponent that can out smart you and has obvious more intellect and data about the "real world" you clam up like a scared little boy.

Oh and Sanctaphrax I have documented all the times you have told other players that you "will go tell a mod" and it makes you look like the whinny boy who cried wolf. Grow up. If you can't compete or cant stand losing then stop trying to act pompus, thinking you know it all. You lack the common sense of the 12 year old and in the "RL" I am sure you have not amounted to anything special.
No, being put on ignore means that all the people who sent me troops, didn't. All the threats you gave me, don't exist. All this thread, doesn't exist and most importantly, YOU don't exist.
tell you what though, you can be the next on the list if you want? Seeing as by your "i'm a genius you're a dumbass" post, i'd assume that the list is quite large. You know why that is? Because I RP by common-sense rules, the rules that everyone RPs by. I can get more people to come here and say that only a maximum of 10% is allowed but you won't believe them so I won't bother. Someone breaks rules, I report them. You for example are flamebaiting and hijacking a thread. Therefore I will ask you once. Please don't post on this thread again. You want a debate then start one up. This is for the defensive measures only. Last warning or I WILL report you. Thats not a threat, thats a fact.

Finally. He doesn't understand NS RP rules and now he says if we IGNORE him he wins? We just IGNORE that as well.

I'd be willing to put 10,000 of my troops under your command. But they have no way of leaving the Mediterranean unfortunately... :)

I'd be willing to put 10,000 of my troops under your command. But they have no way of leaving the Mediterranean unfortunately... :)
thanks for the generous offer but its only allies and specially designated friendly nations. (who have so far failed to show up, Nireva, Sarzonia where are you?) :)
So thanks again but we shall have to decline.

Logistics are included in my figures, try reading and you will see the amount of logistics personel I have stated.

981 Million people which is more then 4 times larger then the United States with all THATS a BIG ALL people from the age of 16 to 45 MUST serve Mandatory Military Service Duty. Whether it is in logistics, support, repairs and maintenance, cooking, laundry etc. Try going over my figures again and you will see that I know what I am talking about. DID YOU forget that I said 80 Million are Civil Defense Forces and another 20 Million are the military police force.

Its not GODMODE when you can accuratly justify the numbers. DID I EVER ONCE SAY that all 145 Million are front line "Battlefield Soliders" NOPE.

Regardless of what you think the reality is that my society has mandatory military service. Just look at Israel. Male Female doesnt matter if you are 18 then you MUST serve at least 2 years in the military. THATS MUST. And its a fact.

Now Israel does not have a population of 981 Million but if you care to actually look up the population of Israel vs the number of active service member and then find what that percentage is you will find that Dracoinus having a 16% military service rate is not a GODMODE.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

People Israel Top of Page
Population:
6,199,008
note: includes about 187,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, more than 5,000 in the Gaza Strip, and fewer than 177,000 in East Jerusalem (July 2004 est.)

Age structure:
0-14 years: 26.7% (male 847,591; female 808,399)
15-64 years: 63.4% (male 1,976,539; female 1,954,782)
65 years and over: 9.9% (male 262,781; female 348,916) (2004 est.)

Military Israel Top of Page
Military branches:
Israel Defense Forces (IDF): Ground Corps (including Pioneer Fighting Youth (Nahal)), Navy, Air Force(including Air Defense Forces); note - historically there have been no separate Israeli military services

Military manpower - military age:
18 years of age (2004 est.)

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 1,581,883
females age 15-49: 1,532,234
note: both sexes are liable for military service (2004 est.)

Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 1,294,742
females age 15-49: 1,250,969 (2004 est.)

THATS 2,545,711 ACTIVE SERVICE MEMBERS out of a population of 6,199,008

THATS 41% of the population in military service so my 16% should be VERY realistic for a militarized society.

IF you are doing this because you know you have already been beat then just admit it and move on. Not play the coward and complain just because you have been out RP'd before the first shot has even been fired.


You seem to have confused available military manpower (meaning those who are of age and fitness) with actual active manpower. Israel has about 550,000 men. That is about 8% - reasonable for a very small nation at war. A standing military of 16% in a large nation not in the middle of a war (you are not in the middle!) is simply laughable.

Sorry that you cant handle the truth, but that is indeed the figure TODAY for Israel, these are Israeli citizens. The information is from the world fact book released by the State Department of the United States and documents all that statistics for every country in the world.

ISRAEL has MANDATORY military service for anyone over the age of 18 and THEY must serve at least 2 YEARS.

YOU CAN NOT DISPUTE what the RL facts are.

But your claims have nothing to do with real life facts. You claim that every single available body is on active duty with the IDF. :rolleyes:

Read my previous post on the last page. It states that you can only have a larger military in certain situations. A large nation can not support larger than 5% in active duty (including logistical forces.) If you deploy that army you will be ignored for being a numberwanking n00b.

Read my previous post on the last page. It states that you can only have a larger military in certain situations. A large nation can not support larger than 5% in active duty (including logistical forces.) If you deploy that army you will be ignored for being a numberwanking n00b.
IDF, should I just ignore him anyway? I'm considering it very strongly.

145 Million - 80 Million militia - 20 Million police force = 45 Million

45 Million of 987 Million is 4.559%

So I think I am good.

Ignore me if you want, but once again all your (16% is blah ) talk is garbage because when it comes right down to it. My ACTIVE MILITARY force is a mere 4.559% of my population.

Check everything I have posted and you will see that at NO TIME did I ever say all 145 Million were "battlefield soliders".

Sorry but you just wasted a bunch of space trying to disprove what I have already worked out and proven to be able to exist.

145 Million - 80 Million militia - 20 Million police force = 45 Million

45 Million of 987 Million is 4.559%

So I think I am good.

Ignore me if you want, but once again all your (16% is blah ) talk is garbage because when it comes right down to it. My ACTIVE MILITARY force is a mere 4.559% of my population.

Check everything I have posted and you will see that at NO TIME did I ever say all 145 Million were "battlefield soliders".

Sorry but you just wasted a bunch of space trying to disprove what I have already worked out and proven to be able to exist.
check the thread and you'll see that even 5% is impossible to maintain over long periods of time. Most people use between 0.5 to 2% personally I use 5 million soldiers, reserves and all, artillery, navy etc... not included out of about 700 million.

5% is suppose to include reserves and logistics.

It is impossible for logistics. Even nations with 3 billion people never have an army larger than 5-10 million, that is less than 1% of their population. The reason is anything larger is impossible for logistics. I'll give you a chance to revise your numbers before I ignore you.

My COMBAT troops are 8,375,000

less then 1% of my total population.

I know what it takes to properly support such a large military force and have accounted for it with my 45 Million - (8,375,000) Support and Logistics staff.

My COMBAT troops are 8,375,000

less then 1% of my total population.

I know what it takes to properly support such a large military force and have accounted for it with my 45 Million - (8,375,000) Support and Logistics staff.

Your combat forces may be under 1%, but yout total military is not (if its 45 million total or 53.375 as you stated on the other thread re this matter.)

LAST BIT OF IC:

The Jonothanian troops woke up in the morning in their own beds, unaware of any deployment to Sanctaphrax. The date was 2 weeks earlier, before the planning of sending troops. Jonothana was not the only one to have not sent troops. IDF ships were back in IDF, Serafimian soldiers were back in Serafima and all other soldiers were magically transported back to their home nations. Meanwhile over Dracoinus, two large clouds parted to reveal a large message.
"YOU ARE IGNORED!"

Sanctaphrax you are an immature little child who never could figure out how to play well with others unless YOU got to play with all the best toys.

Its quite obvious.

Ignore me, but that just means I won and that you can not possibly EVER out RP me.

So go on with your shallow existence and your fabricated "wonderfulness" and know that you have been bested but instead of trying to learn something you have stuck your head between your legs and buried it in the sand, obliviouse to the world around you.

Good job.

Sanctaphrax you are an immature little child who never could figure out how to play well with others unless YOU got to play with all the best toys.

Ignore me, but that just means I won and that you can not possibly EVER out RP me.

So go on with your shallow existence and your fabricated "wonderfulness" and know that you have been bested but instead of trying to learn something you have stuck your head between your legs and buried it in the sand, obliviouse to the world around you.
*tries to make him understand but the words won't came out*
The best toys huh? Would that be, say owning the entire Northern Hemisphere? Or claiming a 16% military? Also, being ignored means that you don't exist, nothing more, nothing less. You haven't won but for your sake i'll say you have, would you like a lollipop to celebrate this achievement of taking over nothing?

I've put in a request on the moderation forum for this and all the other Dracoinus-Sanctaphrax threads to be locked.