NationStates Jolt Archive

Kahta City (AP)-- The bible was banned in Kahta today because of an uptick in viollence against Jewish and Muslim places of worship which has been linked to Christian activites. The bible is only allowed to be possesd unless the person has a permit, which must be placed inside their bible, as to not lose it. If someone is caught possesing a bible without a permit they will be required to attend a class about the dangerous sects of Christianity and why it is necesary to register their bible. As with usual laws in Kahta, royalty is excluded from this law. This was passed 342-108 in Congress.

Kahta City (AP)-- The bible was banned in Kahta today because of an uptick in viollence against Jewish and Muslim places of worship which has been linked to Christian activites. The bible is only allowed to be possesd unless the person has a permit, which must be placed inside their bible, as to not lose it. If someone is caught possesing a bible without a permit they will be required to attend a class about the dangerous sects of Christianity and why it is necesary to register their bible. As with usual laws in Kahta, royalty is excluded from this law. This was passed 342-108 in Congress.

Dear sirs:
We wish to know if similar actions have been taken against those who possess the Koran, the Torah, the Kabala, the Necronomicon and similar religious works.
Sincerely,
Foreign Minister to his majesty, King 'Lude II,
Franklin Delacourte

Not yet, but the violence against Jews and now Christians has continued, so we may need to do that too.

King MacDonald

Not yet, but the violence against Jews and now Christians has continued, so we may need to do that too.

King MacDonald

Dear Sirs:
Requiring a licence to posess the bible, but not the Koran, Torah, Necronomicon, etc. as mentioned in our last communication, smacks of religious intolerance and invites worldwide condemnation and possibly military or similar action against your country. We would request, as a show of proof that you intend to discriminate against no one and afford all equal protection and/or equal restriction, that you require the licensing of all religious texts, or that you lift the licensing requirement for the bible. To single out one religious text for this treatment however is an invitation to trouble.
Respectfully,
Franklin Delacourte

Dear Sirs:
Requiring a licence to posess the bible, but not the Koran, Torah, Necronomicon, etc. as mentioned in our last communication, smacks of religious intolerance and invites worldwide condemnation and possibly military or similar action against your country. We would request, as a show of proof that you intend to discriminate against no one and afford all equal protection and/or equal restriction, that you require the licensing of all religious texts, or that you lift the licensing requirement for the bible. To single out one religious text for this treatment however is an invitation to trouble.
Respectfully,
Franklin Delacourte

Dear Franklin Delacourte,

I will run my country as I see fit. Fundamentalist Christians have been spreading lies and violence around my country and using the bible as evidence and supoort for their proof. Jews are never violent, and Muslims are less violent than Christians. I will keep my decision on the bible.

Best Regards,
King MacDonal.

Moronyicka (being a member of "The Region of Christian Countries") openly condemns these acts.

Our country is:

92% Christian
7% Jewish
.5% Muslim
.5% Other

And we have very low crime (religious related, anyway) and our troubled to see this law targets only Christians.

Though we lack the resources to covertly go to war with you we will be praying for our brothers and sisters being oppressed in your country.

"Therfore says the Lord God:
Surely I will bring a sword upon you and cut off from you man and beast.
And the land of [Kahta] shall become desolate and waste; then they will know that I am the Lord, because he said:The River is mine, and I have made it.
--Ezekiel 29:8-9

Kahta City (AP)-- The bible was banned in Kahta today because of an uptick in viollence against Jewish and Muslim places of worship which has been linked to Christian activites. The bible is only allowed to be possesd unless the person has a permit, which must be placed inside their bible, as to not lose it. If someone is caught possesing a bible without a permit they will be required to attend a class about the dangerous sects of Christianity and why it is necesary to register their bible. As with usual laws in Kahta, royalty is excluded from this law. This was passed 342-108 in Congress.
As my country is extremely conservative, we feel this is not a blow to just civil rights, but to Christians everywhere. Repeal the ban or suffer the consequences.

Wher do you go to find your country's religious groups.

President John put down the report from intelligence about Kahta banning the bible. He called for his aide and gave him a bible. "Send this to King MacDonald."

"Right away, Mr. President." the aide replied.


To: King MacDonald of Kahta
From: President Holtz of Holy Paradise

The Bible

OOC: Have King MacDonald read the bible, okay Kahta?

As President Holtz pondered what to do at his desk, Gen. Benjamin came in.

Gen. Benjamin: Mr. President, this action by Kahta gives us all the right to declare war on them.

Pres. Holtz: But they haven't killed or tortured anyone yet. We will only warn them for now.

Gen. Benjamin: But, Mr. President....

Pres. Holtz: This is not a danger to lives right now, and i want it to stay that way. If any violent persecution of the Christian population in Khata begins being practiced by the Kahta government we will take action.

Gen. Benjamin: but still....

Pres. Holtz: This country is already ravenged by wars! I do not want another one! Sure our economy is repaired, but we have no need to attack yet! Let us wait.

The Empire of Yallak supports the actions and efforts of Kahta to bring an end to the violence and intolerence created by the bible. We also would support their move to uphold this same law on all other religious texts.

The nation of Newarkbeth is disgusted by your country's actions. To require a permit to read any Holy book is outrageous. However your country is clearly only targeting Christians in this which hunt of your. We will not take military action against you however anyone of your people who wishes to leave your country because they feel they are being persecuted will be made full citizens in my nation.

President Kyle sat at his desk reading over intelligence of this move made by the Kahta government. One of the presidents top generals entered the room and began briefing the president of more information recieved on the matter.

Pres.: "Ah I am disgusted, this is a blow to civil rights. I have seen many conflicts arise about beliefs and the way churches should be ran but never to stamp down a certain belief."

General: "I see your beliefs and I share the same. I believe we should issue a warning against Kahta, and if they dont follow through then we might have to take it a step further."

Pres: Religion can sometimes have alot of power in society, and I believe we should take steps to make sure each individual is granted freedom through their beliefs. However I am not sure if I want a war to unfold.

General: "We are not alone in this matter, nations such as The Holy Paradise, NewarkBeth, Moronyicka, and Mauiwowee."

Pres.: Ah, thats nice to know at least. General, I want you to telegram Kahta issuing a warning against them and Telegram nations that are against this move and tell them we stand by them.

Telegram #1
To: Kahta
From: President Kyle of The United Republic of Kyleralia

I have been notified of your terrible actions made against these religious groups. I am disgusted and I would love to know what your intentions are besides these so say acts of violence. I am warning you to repeal this act made by your government, or else we may have to take this a step farther.

- President Kyle


Telegram #2
To:The Holy Paradise, NewarkBeth, Moronyicka, and Mauiwowee
From The Republic Of Kyleralia

Fellow Nations,

I stand by your side against this act of , shall I say discrimination against Religious groups in Kahta. I have issued a warning against them. If military force is needed I will stand by your side and we can help destroy the Axis of evil.

His Truly,
President Kyle of Kyleralia

The United Imperium of Crossman is outraged at the actions of the government of Kahta. We cannot understand how the government of Kahta could use this as a means to end the problem, by banning the Bible if the reader does not have a permit you will undoubtebly cause more anger and violence. We see this act by Kahta as foolish and unjust. We urge your government to repeal this law and try to come to a decision that will not cause further violence.

-Emperor Crossman
Ruler of the United Imperium of Crossman

To: Emperor Crossman
From: President Kyle

I hope that Kahta will back down on their dicision of banning the bible and come to their sences. If they dont however I stand by you as an ally and we along with others can help stomp this hatred.

President Kyle

To: Emperor Crossman
From: President Kyle

I hope that Kahta will back down on their dicision of banning the bible and come to their sences. If they dont however I stand by you as an ally and we along with others can help stomp this hatred.

President Kyle

I will continue to monitor the situation before making any "plans".

-Emperor Crossman

The Zoroastrian state of Parthia condemns this breach of religious freedoms. Though Parthia may not have many Christians, the Armenian Orthodox church has many members here, and we don't interfere with them.

-Shah Khosru of Parthia.

Moronyicka (being a member of "The Region of Christian Countries") openly condemns these acts.

Our country is:

92% Christian
7% Jewish
.5% Muslim
.5% Other



Mine is

60% Atheist
20% Christian
15% Jewish
5% Muslim

As my country is extremely conservative, we feel this is not a blow to just civil rights, but to Christians everywhere. Repeal the ban or suffer the consequences.

We will not repeal any ban. The decision stands.

King MacDonald

OOC: Have King MacDonald read the bible, okay Kahta?

OOC: I've never read it, so I wouldn't know what it says.

A more efficient method of dealing with these problems would be issuing a state bible, which your government controls and edits if needed.

OOC: I've never read it, so I wouldn't know what it says.

OOC: Well it has nothing to do with violence. It has a lot of violence in it, but it does not preach violence.

Telegram #1
To: Kahta
From: President Kyle of The United Republic of Kyleralia

I have been notified of your terrible actions made against these religious groups. I am disgusted and I would love to know what your intentions are besides these so say acts of violence. I am warning you to repeal this act made by your government, or else we may have to take this a step farther.

- President Kyle



My intention is to prevent violence by radical christians against other religions. I will choose what my country does, we will not bow down to anyone else.

King MacDonald

A more efficient method of dealing with these problems would be issuing a state bible, which your government controls and edits if needed.

This would do nothing, but cause more anger. The people would realize any differences. Especially if the edits get a little carried away.

The people will believe whatever they are told to believe.

The Zoroastrian state of Parthia condemns this breach of religious freedoms. Though Parthia may not have many Christians, the Armenian Orthodox church has many members here, and we don't interfere with them.

-Shah Khosru of Parthia.


The Armenian Orthodox Church has never tried to assasinate you have they? Have these Armenians ever tried to kill anyone in your country?

King MacDonald

A more efficient method of dealing with these problems would be issuing a state bible, which your government controls and edits if needed.

A majority of Kahta is Atheist, so issuing a state bible would anger 60% of the population.

King MacDonald

OOC: Well it has nothing to do with violence. It has a lot of violence in it, but it does not preach violence.

OOC: George W. Bush said god spoke to him, so did Hitler, and so do most abortion clinic bombers.

The United Imperium of Crossman is outraged at the actions of the government of Kahta. We cannot understand how the government of Kahta could use this as a means to end the problem, by banning the Bible if the reader does not have a permit you will undoubtebly cause more anger and violence. We see this act by Kahta as foolish and unjust. We urge your government to repeal this law and try to come to a decision that will not cause further violence.

-Emperor Crossman
Ruler of the United Imperium of Crossman


We will not repeal this law because it is intended to protect other relgions from Christian Fanatics.

King MacDonald

Dear King MacDonald,

The land of Alla Xul suggests a law to stop any and all religious hate from any group.

"Freedom of Speech without hate"
Definition: The person(s) may say what they wish, as long as no hate is involved. Ie, no racism, dogmatism, sexism, etc.
We leave the punishment up to you.

If this does not work, we are happy to supply you with some troops to uphold the law, when they return from Praetonia.

Sincerely,
Henry Vicfalon, Minister of Foreign Politics

Dear King MacDonald,

The land of Alla Xul suggests a law to stop any and all religious hate from any group.

"Freedom of Speech without hate"
Definition: The person(s) may say what they wish, as long as no hate is involved. Ie, no racism, dogmatism, sexism, etc.
We leave the punishment up to you.

If this does not work, we are happy to supply you with some troops to uphold the law, when they return from Praetonia.

Sincerely,
Henry Vicfalon, Minister of Foreign Politics


We tried that. They stopped their rallies and had meetings, then killed people at night. This is close to being the final solution.

King MacDonald

To: Kahta

I can understand that the violence is getting bad, but why dont you just arrest them and put them in jail. To ban the bible is effecting even the people who dont do harm. Why dont you ban the tora or somehting like that. No! it has to be the bible.

King MacDonald,

In light of your response, we shall now take my preferred action.

We offer you the chance to allow our troops to enter, and attempt to help you keep the peace, for a small fee, of course.

We have the following to offer you.
Five teams of 5000 troops
All armed with MP5's
1000 in each team armed with MG42's for stationary positions
Standard Kevlar armour

These teams are very well trained, and will cost roughly 10 million/a year that they spend in your nation. We hope this is a reasonable price.

Crucian Killman
Dictator of Alla Xul

OOC: The troops I am offering here came from two other nations in the region I founded; both players have indeed confirmed that I am allowed to use some of their military.

We will not repeal this law because it is intended to protect other relgions from Christian Fanatics.

King MacDonald

And just how does requring people to have a permit for the Bibles protect others?

***TELEGRAM***

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg is outraged at the banning of the Bible. We officially condemn the actions taken by your government and if this issue is not resolved, we will consider you an enemy of state.

Possible military action and economic sanctions are definitely in order.

Ivahoe
Prime Minister
The Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Telegram

To: Hawdawg

I reconize your cause and if military action is used I will aid you in fighting the enemy.

President Kyle of Kyleralia

***TELEGRAM***

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg is outraged at the banning of the Bible. We officially condemn the actions taken by your government and if this issue is not resolved, we will consider you an enemy of state.

Possible military action and economic sanctions are definitely in order.

Ivahoe
Prime Minister
The Holy Republic of Hawdawg

The United Imperium of Crossman may go assist you. Depending on how the situation progresses.

Telegram

To: Crossman and Hawdawg

I believe we will be able to assist each other if any military action is used. We have now got the support of Hogsweat who was unable to post. Should there be a treaty or anything to confirm this.

President Kyle of Kyleralia

Telegram

To: Crossman and Hawdawg

I believe we will be able to assist each other if any military action is used. We have now got the support of Hogsweat who was unable to post. Should there be a treaty or anything to confirm this.

President Kyle of Kyleralia

I believe simple a mutual agreement between us will suffice.

Official MoD/MoFA Statement
We suggest that Kahta re-legalises the bible in their nation, or face dire consequences. Religious persecution is not taken lightly by us, we give you 24 hours before we will openly support any military action with troops of our own. We did not expect this from a nation we assumed responsible.


OOC-Ignore this if you wouldn't let one of my civvy planes in your nation for "tourists"
The airliner cruising over Kahta was not really an airliner. As it nearly landed in Kahta's capital, the crew opened the expertly hidden back doors and piled out copies of the bible, on mini-parachutes. The plane then made itself scarce, the Mach 1.9 engines of the Xibxiesw [Hogsweatian for Concorde] coming into magnificent action as the plane ran for the border.

The W.B.K.T.H Treaty

NOTICING: That the acts made by the Kahta government a blow to civil rights of the people and to christians not only in Kahta but every where

REALIZING: That the following nations will aid each other in these hard times through Military aid.

REALIZING: A formal Alliance to be set up between the following nations to aid each other in any military conflict.

CONFIRMING: That on this day of the month of October of the year 2004 the following nations agree to this alliance.


Kyleralia Crossman Hogsweat Hawdawg


OOC: Just copy and Paste the treaty Saying You Agree

OOC: Please post if you want to be added and say you agree and I'll add you

The W.B.K.T.H Treaty

NOTICING: That the acts made by the Kahta government a blow to civil rights of the people and to christians not only in Kahta but every where

REALIZING: That the following nations will aid each other in these hard times through Military aid.

REALIZING: A formal Alliance to be set up between the following nations to aid each other in any military conflict.

CONFIRMING: That on this day of the month of October of the year 2004 the following nations agree to this alliance.


Kyleralia Crossman Hogsweat Hawdawg


AGREE President.Kyle J. Biedinger

We shall consider the agreement.
I will bring it before the Imperial Congress.

-Emperor Crossman

The Royal Armies of The Kingdom of The Scandinvans will not tolerate this kind of action to you it would be like banning people from caring the Koran and people from wearing scarfs if this does not stop.

High King David of the Scandinvans

If you need me just telegram me.

We are saddened by the repeated condemnations of Kahta issued by various other nations. Is it not true that sometimes, freedom must suffer for the sake of safety? This is a bold and effective move, which was necessessitated by the rising tide of Christian Fundamentalism. Christian Fundamentalism is far, far more dangerous, intolerant and brutal than any state could ever be, and we are appalled that there are a great number of leaders who apparently fail to realise the threat it poses, not only to Kahta, but to all the civilised world.

Scandanavia, would you like to sign the treaty?

The W.B.K.T.H Treaty

NOTICING: That the acts made by the Kahta government a blow to civil rights of the people and to christians not only in Kahta but every where

REALIZING: That the following nations will aid each other in these hard times through Military aid.

REALIZING: A formal Alliance to be set up between the following nations to aid each other in any military conflict.

CONFIRMING: That on this day of the month of October of the year 2004 the following nations agree to this alliance.


Kyleralia Crossman Hogsweat Hawdawg

We agree to the aforementioned terms.
Ivahoe
Prime Minister
The Holy Republic of Hawdawg

The W.B.K.T.H Treaty

NOTICING: That the acts made by the Kahta government a blow to civil rights of the people and to christians not only in Kahta but every where

REALIZING: That the following nations will aid each other in these hard times through Military aid.

REALIZING: A formal Alliance to be set up between the following nations to aid each other in any military conflict.

CONFIRMING: That on this day of the month of October of the year 2004 the following nations agree to this alliance.


Kyleralia Crossman Hogsweat Hawdawg


OOC: Just copy and Paste the treaty Saying You Agree

OOC: Please post if you want to be added and say you agree and I'll add you

We will sign.

Though due to other matters the Imperium is tending too, we cannot offer a large amount of assistance as of the time being.

-Emperor Crossman

Hawdawg Times Herald
Oct. 10th, 2004

Kossuth, Hawdawg (AP)

Unnamed military sources state the Republic is gearing up to launch an invasion of Kahta. "With the extreme abuse and hardships being placed upon fellow christians, it is our duty to aide them in a time of need! We have joined a coalition to do what is necessary to end this ruthless agression in Kahta" stated Prime Minister Ivahoe at a press conference earlier today. Sources state the Port City of Perth is active with one naval invasion strike group and one naval battle strike group ramping up for deployment. It was confirmed all naval shore leave passes were cancelled for the rest of the week, as tensions mount. A phone call to the Wales Air Force base was not returned today, but a civilian contractor noted the 1st and 2nd Bombing Squadrons were put on active alert and were confined to base. In addition, several Tank Units were spotted on Interstate 25 moving towards the 3rd AirLift Wing where two squadrons of C-5 Galaxy's and c-141 Starlifters are stationed. With all this activity it is very obvious major action is imminent.

To: Kahta

I can understand that the violence is getting bad, but why dont you just arrest them and put them in jail. To ban the bible is effecting even the people who dont do harm. Why dont you ban the tora or somehting like that. No! it has to be the bible.

We tried that. The bible was never banned, it was only banned to those that used it to justify their crimes. All that is required to own a bible is a simple permit which costs nothing, all you need to do is fill out the address and name.

King MacDonald

King MacDonald,

In light of your response, we shall now take my preferred action.

We offer you the chance to allow our troops to enter, and attempt to help you keep the peace, for a small fee, of course.

We have the following to offer you.
Five teams of 5000 troops
All armed with MP5's
1000 in each team armed with MG42's for stationary positions
Standard Kevlar armour

These teams are very well trained, and will cost roughly 10 million/a year that they spend in your nation. We hope this is a reasonable price.

Crucian Killman
Dictator of Alla Xul

OOC: The troops I am offering here came from two other nations in the region I founded; both players have indeed confirmed that I am allowed to use some of their military.

Sorry, but I will not allow foreign soldiers to be stationed in my nation.

King MacDonald

And just how does requring people to have a permit for the Bibles protect others?

It just lets the government know who is more relgious. Some people keep a bible in every room, others just in their bedroom.

King MacDonald

***TELEGRAM***

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg is outraged at the banning of the Bible. We officially condemn the actions taken by your government and if this issue is not resolved, we will consider you an enemy of state.

Possible military action and economic sanctions are definitely in order.

Ivahoe
Prime Minister
The Holy Republic of Hawdawg


If any military action is undertaken against me I will respond in turn.

King MacDonald

Official MoD/MoFA Statement
We suggest that Kahta re-legalises the bible in their nation, or face dire consequences. Religious persecution is not taken lightly by us, we give you 24 hours before we will openly support any military action with troops of our own. We did not expect this from a nation we assumed responsible.


OOC-Ignore this if you wouldn't let one of my civvy planes in your nation for "tourists"
The airliner cruising over Kahta was not really an airliner. As it nearly landed in Kahta's capital, the crew opened the expertly hidden back doors and piled out copies of the bible, on mini-parachutes. The plane then made itself scarce, the Mach 1.9 engines of the Xibxiesw [Hogsweatian for Concorde] coming into magnificent action as the plane ran for the border.


The bible was never illegal. All that is required is a permit to own one.

King MacDonald

Hawdawg Times Herald
Oct. 10th, 2004

Kossuth, Hawdawg (AP)

Unnamed military sources state the Republic is gearing up to launch an invasion of Kahta. "With the extreme abuse and hardships being placed upon fellow christians, it is our duty to aide them in a time of need! We have joined a coalition to do what is necessary to end this ruthless agression in Kahta" stated Prime Minister Ivahoe at a press conference earlier today. Sources state the Port City of Perth is active with one naval invasion strike group and one naval battle strike group ramping up for deployment. It was confirmed all naval shore leave passes were cancelled for the rest of the week, as tensions mount. A phone call to the Wales Air Force base was not returned today, but a civilian contractor noted the 1st and 2nd Bombing Squadrons were put on active alert and were confined to base. In addition, several Tank Units were spotted on Interstate 25 moving towards the 3rd AirLift Wing where two squadrons of C-5 Galaxy's and c-141 Starlifters are stationed. With all this activity it is very obvious major action is imminent.

Any military invasion of Kahta will result in the enemy being soundly and quickly destroyed.

King MacDonald

OOC: Please post any declarations of war in another thread.

OOC: Bloody christians, always sticking together. :P

IC: Foreign Minister Anton Schützer had just finished briefing the rest of the Cabinet, who were now sitting, thoughtfully, wondering what to do. Finally, the Agriculture Minister spoke up.
"We've always been enemies of Kahta," he remarked. "In one way or another."
A general tone of agreement ran through the room.
"But...well, times do change, don't they?" asked the Health Minister, nervously. She looked around her peers.
"Yes. Yes, they, do." Prime Minister Jones sighed. "But do they change this much?"
"I think they do, comrade." The Defence Minister scratched his head. "They have changed, and so must we."
Jones sighed. "I never thought I'd see the day..."
The Health Minister smiled wryly. "Nor did I."

Official Statement

We will stand by Kahta to the end. The fact that they have decided to stand firm against the waves of liberal lack of will and Christian Fundamentalist hatred is a laudable testament to the fine qualities of the Kahtan leadership and the people of the nation.

An attack upon Kahta will result in us aiding them. We will not attack the aggressoirs, but we will defend Kahta.

Nianacio strongly condemns this act of the Congress of Kahta. The Bible does not support the actions of these people--nay, the Bible forbids murder and illegal actions (see Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:1-5, Hebrews 13:17, and 1 Peter 2:13-17). What is responsible, then? I can not answer this for you, but perhaps psychiatric examinations of these extremists are in order.
Nevertheless, Nianacio will not take military action at this time.
Is it not true that sometimes, freedom must suffer for the sake of safety?To a certain extent, but this goes beyond that point.
Christian Fundamentalism is far, far more dangerous, intolerant and brutal than any state could ever beAre you certain of this? The people of Nianacio tend to be rather strict Christians, but they are aware of the Bible's calls for love and kindness.

OOC: Bloody christians, always sticking together. :P


Official Statement

We will stand by Kahta to the end. The fact that they have decided to stand firm against the waves of liberal lack of will and Christian Fundamentalist hatred is a laudable testament to the fine qualities of the Kahtan leadership and the people of the nation.

An attack upon Kahta will result in us aiding them. We will not attack the aggressoirs, but we will defend Kahta.

Thank you for your support. We will not forget this.

King MacDonald

The Christian Fundamentalists are a perversion of Christianity, as the Stalinists were a perversion of Marxism. We do not tar devout Christians with the same brush as fundamentalist Christians. We meant no offence to you, rest assured. But we see this is a terible threat to us all.

Christian Fundamentalists would see your nation destroyed, if it has any other religion than Christianity and any race other than whites.

It just lets the government know who is more relgious. Some people keep a bible in every room, others just in their bedroom.

King MacDonald

Hmm... a point. We still think overall its wrong, but you somewhat have a point.

I suppose it depends on the definition you use. Thank you for the assurance that you meant no offence.
OOC: This is the definition I had in mind, with an emphasis on the "intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism" not applying to all fundamentalists.
A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

The W.B.K.T.H Treaty

NOTICING: That the acts made by the Kahta government a blow to civil rights of the people and to christians not only in Kahta but every where

REALIZING: That the following nations will aid each other in these hard times through Military aid.

REALIZING: A formal Alliance to be set up between the following nations to aid each other in any military conflict.

CONFIRMING: That on this day of the month of October of the year 2004 the following nations agree to this alliance.


Kyleralia Crossman Hogsweat Hawdawg


OOC: Just copy and Paste the treaty Saying You Agree

OOC: Please post if you want to be added and say you agree and I'll add you


Moronyicka agree's. We are willing to offer military help if needed.

~King Jedo~
King of Moronyicka

OOC: Won't be posting until morning

The Armenian Orthodox Church has never tried to assasinate you have they? Have these Armenians ever tried to kill anyone in your country?

King MacDonald

No, they have not, and if Christian groups in your nation have attempted to do such, I feel it is fully in your rights to take action in the manner you are doing so.

********************
***SECRET TELEGRAM***

TO: Kyleralia, Crossman, Hogsweat, Moronyicka

FROM: Josey Wales
Hawdawg Minister of Defense

We have mobilized our military forces for a possible invasion. My Joint Chiefs informed me we have no chance to even make landfall with our tiny military force. At best my commanders tell me we might get to the beaches, but we would suffer 75% casualities within the first 24 hours if we went into Kahta alone. With a population of 4 billion and with another nation of almost 2 billion willing to send aide to Kahta we need to tally forces before we even consider this action. When we mobilized some of the "brass" in the military got drunk at the casino and spouted off to a reporter from the Hawdawg Times Herald what we were doing, so the cat was let out of the bag. We have a backdoor out of this incident, I have taken the liberty of writing an official memo "back dated of course" to show that our military was planning this "alert drill" all along, if others are not commited to send troops.

I will telegram each of you with the exact troop strength we are willing to commit, but I must ask you do the same. I am a member of another alliance and might be able to persuade some of those members to rally to our cause. I will telegram them and ask for aide.

Waiting a response.

Josey Wales
Minister of Defense
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

OOC: Kahta saw message about separate thread for declaration of war and will follow request to do so, if situation warrants it.

Chellis will enact the Horatio doctrine if Kahtan sovereignty is violated. We will not allow nations to determine the internal policies of other nations. That, above anything else, is illegal.

OOC: George W. Bush said god spoke to him, so did Hitler, and so do most abortion clinic bombers.

OOC: They were lunatics, though, so they don't count. And Hitler hated Christianity just as much as he did Judaism. Read, for example, Therefore, Stand.

The Holy Republic of Tomartonia will aid Kahta if you so wish, However we are only a small country so we only have a crack unit of elite troops :mp5: , well actually theres dave, a few of his mates from down the pub (the mucky duck), some war dogs (well war poodles really) and some grumpy old men (due to their wives being drafted into the air force). We also have just started The Holy Republic of Tomartonia Royal Air Force which consists of some ducks (the national animal) strapped with explosives and we have just developed a new tactical targeting system which gives us pin point presision (well if your near a pond), it's some old women throwing bits of bread into a pond (you'll never look at one the same anymore).
I've also got some neutron bombs (no really i have!! thanks boggy b all it cost was the nations forrests!!!) but they will have to be duck guided too.

Dear Sirs:
Requiring a licence to posess the bible, but not the Koran, Torah, Necronomicon, etc. as mentioned in our last communication, smacks of religious intolerance and invites worldwide condemnation and possibly military or similar action against your country. We would request, as a show of proof that you intend to discriminate against no one and afford all equal protection and/or equal restriction, that you require the licensing of all religious texts, or that you lift the licensing requirement for the bible. To single out one religious text for this treatment however is an invitation to trouble.
Respectfully,
Franklin Delacourte

Dear Sirs:

We told you so!!!

Just require licensing for all relgious texts. Everyone is on equal footing and ::: Shazam ::: the whole issue is moot (at least as far as we are concerned). Rest assured, even if you don't go along with our requests, we will not take any military actions against you. We'll just write you off as intolerant, bigoted and possibly, stupid. We may impose some sort of trade embargo or sanctions, but that'll be it. We don't war with people who can't run their own government unless it threatens us. This doesn't. We'll also be the first to defend your right to arrest and punish anyone who attacked anyone else in the name of christianity or any other religion. People who follow a religion that teaches them to harm "non-believers" should be locked up. It is one thing to say my religion is right, yours is wrong and you're gonna burn. It is another to attack and harm the non-believers. Such people are a threat to religious freedom and tolerance and should be locked away. We'll back you on that idea.

Sincerely,
Franklin Delacourte

We are saddened by the repeated condemnations of Kahta issued by various other nations. Is it not true that sometimes, freedom must suffer for the sake of safety? This is a bold and effective move, which was necessessitated by the rising tide of Christian Fundamentalism. Christian Fundamentalism is far, far more dangerous, intolerant and brutal than any state could ever be, and we are appalled that there are a great number of leaders who apparently fail to realise the threat it poses, not only to Kahta, but to all the civilised world.


While I realise the threat of Christian Fundamentalism, you must also realise the fact that while some Christians are not content to share their earth with others, most are. The wellbeing of these people comes comrade, first on my agenda. If they are not well secure enough, than the law in that nation is not working hard enough, and surely you know the consequences comrade, of not working hard enough? If these people cannot worship their own god [I am atheist comrade, a reminder] in the privacy of their own home, than the leaders of Kahta are clearly the kind of people we exist to conflict. HOWEVER, if they are worshipping on the streets merely to irritate other opposition parties, than that is the law of Kahta to work out that situation...

Official Comminique: From P3X1299
To: King McDonald
From: Jack O'Malley P3X1299 Secretary of State

Subject: Banning possession of the Bible

The government of P3X1299 severely frowns on the banning of any book. We are a nation that places great stock in the liberty of the individual.

However, the government of P3X1299 also takes a somewhat dim view of waging war unless it is good for business.

It gives me great distress to announce that your position places to government in a most unenviable dilemma.

However, over time, our government has been forced to acknowledge that to drive down the supply of a commodity, whether or not the government sanctions it, serves to drive up the price. As such, your government is creating a profit in Bible smuggling. Due to the fact that it is entirely legal to possess a bible in P3X1299 and that we severely frown on the position that your government has taken of banning the bible, we cannot bear any responsibility for what any of our citizens do or do not do regarding the artificially increased demand for bibles, which serves to drive of the price.

On the other side, we do take a rather dim view of nations tha go to war against the business interests of P3X1299.

While I realise the threat of Christian Fundamentalism, you must also realise the fact that while some Christians are not content to share their earth with others, most are. The wellbeing of these people comes comrade, first on my agenda. If they are not well secure enough, than the law in that nation is not working hard enough, and surely you know the consequences comrade, of not working hard enough? If these people cannot worship their own god [I am atheist comrade, a reminder] in the privacy of their own home, than the leaders of Kahta are clearly the kind of people we exist to conflict. HOWEVER, if they are worshipping on the streets merely to irritate other opposition parties, than that is the law of Kahta to work out that situation...

I am not certain that you do realise just how much of a threat it is. Christian Fundamentalists have, according to all available information, been persecuting others within Kahta, and have indeed attempted to kill the King purely because he is tolerant of other religions.

Also worthy of note is the fact that this does not actually prohibit people from owning the bible, going to church or being a christian. It is merely a method of stopping Fundamentalists from increasing their numbers - and the threat they pose - still further.

King MacDonald,
I am Emperor Ashawa of the Holy Empire of Tarkand.

Your actions will be seen as a direct offence to me and my people. Your actions are absurd and will be held against you unless you cease your actions in a near future.


May God have mercy on your soul.

Emperor Lucius Ashawa, the Lightbringer, of the Holy Empire of Tarkand.

just legalise all drugs thats what i did then no one cares about religion, well a few do but theyre hippies and pagans, and are pretty harmless. Or push buddism as the main religion in your country can anyone think of a major war with buddists in it? come to think of it i can't think of any violent buddists except maybe some monks but aren't shaolin chinese anyway?

The Holy Republic of Tomartonia will aid Kahta if you so wish, However we are only a small country so we only have a crack unit of elite troops :mp5: , well actually theres dave, a few of his mates from down the pub (the mucky duck), some war dogs (well war poodles really) and some grumpy old men (due to their wives being drafted into the air force). We also have just started The Holy Republic of Tomartonia Royal Air Force which consists of some ducks (the national animal) strapped with explosives and we have just developed a new tactical targeting system which gives us pin point presision (well if your near a pond), it's some old women throwing bits of bread into a pond (you'll never look at one the same anymore).
I've also got some neutron bombs (no really i have!! thanks boggy b all it cost was the nations forrests!!!) but they will have to be duck guided too.


You could have just said you were Afghan-tech. :rolleyes:


OOC: and the neutron bombs from boggy b mean nothing. He isn't capable of the tech, so I wouldn't go around saying you have them unless you want people to laugh at you. Even though we already are after this post, but I mean laugh at you in the "haha, stupid n00b" way. Just a heads up.

Or push buddism as the main religion in your country can anyone think of a major war with buddists in it?

Vietnam. Bhuddists monks set themselves on fire. And a lot of people in that area of the world are Bhuddists.

Korean War. Korea, lots of Bhuddists.

World War II. Asia, heart of Bhuddism.

I rest my case.

Respected sirs of the nation of Kahta,

I find it disturbing that you would destroy an ageless piece of literature, especially one such as the Bible. Your cause for its bannishment and destruction are quite ungrounded. If Christians were actually reading their Bibles then there would not be violence towards the Jews. Are you certain it is not the Jews or others who are the militant ones? If anything Islam should be banned for it is the most militant of the larger world religions. The Bible contains only records of what the Jews did in the old testament concerning war, and does not mention the "concquering of infidels" save in figurative sense. The Bible is very pro-semetic, rather than the opposite deduction that you have come to. It teaches that the Jews are God's chosen, thereby any Christian who reads their Bible would believe this as well. Do not blame Christianity for the woes of the world when they do naught but attempt to do right in the world. Many Christians have flaws, name me one person on earth, religious or not that does not have flaws? To be mistaken is to be human.

High Regards,

Xavier Garcia, President of The Armed Republic of Derion

The High Ruler was fuming. "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!"
He reached over and grabbed the nearest aid and almost snapped his neck. Instead he thought of calling up DA who would be oh so pissed off. No that would be cowardly plus he'd no love for DA those bastards were banning religions left and right. He thought of only one alternative. He would sit down with Kahta's leader and try to explain why they should not ban the Bible. If that didn't work the giant worms were always hungry.

Since the ban has not been repealed, you shall suffer the consequences Kahta. The TBA alliance and CDA alliance will crush you like a bug.

The Christian Fundamentalists are a perversion of Christianity, as the Stalinists were a perversion of Marxism. We do not tar devout Christians with the same brush as fundamentalist Christians. We meant no offence to you, rest assured. But we see this is a terible threat to us all.

Christian Fundamentalists would see your nation destroyed, if it has any other religion than Christianity and any race other than whites.

As I re-read the first post, I will withdraw any threats I have made against Kahta, for several reasons.
1.) As the bible can still be purchased and used, my main reason for conflict has disappeared.
2.) We would not wish to fight DPUO over the matter anyway.


And i'm not a liberal, i'm a socialist.

And i'm not a liberal, i'm a socialist.

That puts you on the same side of the field.

A Socialist is further down.

Fascist/Nazi - Imperialist - Conservative - Liberal - Socialist - Communist

A Socialist is further down.

Fascist/Nazi - Imperialist - Conservative - Liberal - Socialist - Communist

But what I'm saying is you're playing the same side of the field. You're just further into left field than the liberals.

Me? Well I'm a bit o' all of them. And please don't put fascists and nazis as one in the same. They aren't. You can think like a Nazi and not be a fascist. You can also be a fascist and be completely against Nazis.

/ic/ The Senior Director of Intelligence read over the news feeds - Kahta bans the Bible - other nations threaten military action - he set down the tablet and began BANGING HIS HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. VERY HARD. :headbang:
/ooc] I've had just about all I can take of "Our religions are violent! We ban them!" "What?! You can't do that! My alliance of naeshuns will pwn j00!" In the first place, Kahta hasn't offered any proof other than "my Christians are evil" and just say that they are, in fact, killing people and blowing stuff up, probably just because he doesn't like those d*** fundies in general. In the second place, these people threatening military action because of this bug the living crap out of me. They really really do. Neither side is acting at all tolerant, or even showing the slightest intelligence. To quote Shakespeare, "A plague on both your houses!" I pray to God that all of you find some intelligence or sanity somewhere, as these threads and witchhunt RPs typically lack them.

~Anithraldur, real life CRAZY-ARSE CHRISTIAN FUNDY TYPE! OMR

But what I'm saying is you're playing the same side of the field. You're just further into left field than the liberals.

Me? Well I'm a bit o' all of them. And please don't put fascists and nazis as one in the same. They aren't. You can think like a Nazi and not be a fascist. You can also be a fascist and be completely against Nazis.
Yeah but they are both far right. I see what you mean.

The United Socialist States of Czeckleslovenia stands firmly on the side of Kahta in this conflict, as the ban under condemnation (sp?) supports the Socialist ideals of atheism and secularism, although it does wish that is ban include all religious texts, so that the foolishness of religion is not spread through literature

As I re-read the first post, I will withdraw any threats I have made against Kahta, for several reasons.
1.) As the bible can still be purchased and used, my main reason for conflict has disappeared.
2.) We would not wish to fight DPUO over the matter anyway.


And i'm not a liberal, i'm a socialist.

Thank you Hogsweat.

King MacDonald

Since the ban has not been repealed, you shall suffer the consequences Kahta. The TBA alliance and CDA alliance will crush you like a bug.

Suck my cock.

King MacDonald

/ic/ The Senior Director of Intelligence read over the news feeds - Kahta bans the Bible - other nations threaten military action - he set down the tablet and began BANGING HIS HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. VERY HARD. :headbang:
/ooc] I've had just about all I can take of "Our religions are violent! We ban them!" "What?! You can't do that! My alliance of naeshuns will pwn j00!" In the first place, Kahta hasn't offered any proof other than "my Christians are evil" and just say that they are, in fact, killing people and blowing stuff up, probably just because he doesn't like those d*** fundies in general. In the second place, these people threatening military action because of this bug the living crap out of me. They really really do. Neither side is acting at all tolerant, or even showing the slightest intelligence. To quote Shakespeare, "A plague on both your houses!" I pray to God that all of you find some intelligence or sanity somewhere, as these threads and witchhunt RPs typically lack them.

~Anithraldur, real life CRAZY-ARSE CHRISTIAN FUNDY TYPE! OMR

I've RPed stuff before. You're out of line for a 2003 nation with only 263 posts.

Respected sirs of the nation of Kahta,

I find it disturbing that you would destroy an ageless piece of literature, especially one such as the Bible. Your cause for its bannishment and destruction are quite ungrounded. If Christians were actually reading their Bibles then there would not be violence towards the Jews. Are you certain it is not the Jews or others who are the militant ones? If anything Islam should be banned for it is the most militant of the larger world religions. The Bible contains only records of what the Jews did in the old testament concerning war, and does not mention the "concquering of infidels" save in figurative sense. The Bible is very pro-semetic, rather than the opposite deduction that you have come to. It teaches that the Jews are God's chosen, thereby any Christian who reads their Bible would believe this as well. Do not blame Christianity for the woes of the world when they do naught but attempt to do right in the world. Many Christians have flaws, name me one person on earth, religious or not that does not have flaws? To be mistaken is to be human.

High Regards,

Xavier Garcia, President of The Armed Republic of Derion

I myself do not have any flaws. I did not make this decision regarding the bible. Congress did.

King MacDonald

King MacDonald,
I am Emperor Ashawa of the Holy Empire of Tarkand.

Your actions will be seen as a direct offence to me and my people. Your actions are absurd and will be held against you unless you cease your actions in a near future.


May God have mercy on your soul.

Emperor Lucius Ashawa, the Lightbringer, of the Holy Empire of Tarkand.


Emporoer Ashawa,

Please do not tell the elected people of my country what to do. I am not scared of you, or any other nation.

May God Fornticate himself with an iron rod,
King MacDOnald

Official Comminique: From P3X1299
To: King McDonald
From: Jack O'Malley P3X1299 Secretary of State

Subject: Banning possession of the Bible

The government of P3X1299 severely frowns on the banning of any book. We are a nation that places great stock in the liberty of the individual.

However, the government of P3X1299 also takes a somewhat dim view of waging war unless it is good for business.

It gives me great distress to announce that your position places to government in a most unenviable dilemma.

However, over time, our government has been forced to acknowledge that to drive down the supply of a commodity, whether or not the government sanctions it, serves to drive up the price. As such, your government is creating a profit in Bible smuggling. Due to the fact that it is entirely legal to possess a bible in P3X1299 and that we severely frown on the position that your government has taken of banning the bible, we cannot bear any responsibility for what any of our citizens do or do not do regarding the artificially increased demand for bibles, which serves to drive of the price.

On the other side, we do take a rather dim view of nations tha go to war against the business interests of P3X1299.

OOC: We have not banned the bible. Reread the article from the AP.

The Holy Republic of Tomartonia will aid Kahta if you so wish, However we are only a small country so we only have a crack unit of elite troops :mp5: , well actually theres dave, a few of his mates from down the pub (the mucky duck), some war dogs (well war poodles really) and some grumpy old men (due to their wives being drafted into the air force). We also have just started The Holy Republic of Tomartonia Royal Air Force which consists of some ducks (the national animal) strapped with explosives and we have just developed a new tactical targeting system which gives us pin point presision (well if your near a pond), it's some old women throwing bits of bread into a pond (you'll never look at one the same anymore).
I've also got some neutron bombs (no really i have!! thanks boggy b all it cost was the nations forrests!!!) but they will have to be duck guided too.

Thakn you for your offer, but I will respectfully decline.

King MacDonald

Chellis will enact the Horatio doctrine if Kahtan sovereignty is violated. We will not allow nations to determine the internal policies of other nations. That, above anything else, is illegal.


Thank you Chellis for your support. We will not forget it.

King MacDonald

Well if Congress made this decision, veto it!

Well if Congress made this decision, veto it!

Yes. Or do you not have that power? Quite a weak leader if you can't do that.

You mean a man who listens to the opinions of his people and his Government rather than ignoring them when it's inconvenient? I say that makes him a stronger man than any of you.

Do we know that the Congress of Kahta is representative of the people? I, for one, do not. Furthermore, how does condemning the retraction of the rights of the people make one weak?

You mean a man who listens to the opinions of his people and his Government rather than ignoring them when it's inconvenient? I say that makes him a stronger man than any of you.

Even when the opinions of his people are offensive and hateful?

Do we know that the Congress of Kahta is representative of the people? I, for one, do not. Furthermore, how does condemning the retraction of the rights of the people make one weak?

Indeed.

But they aren't offensive and hateful. They're afraid of Christian Fundamentalists and have decided to act against them. All things considered I am surprised they did not enact considerably harsher laws.

Well if Congress made this decision, veto it!

I liked the decision, so I made it a law.

King MacDonald

But they aren't offensive and hateful. They're afraid of Christian Fundamentalists and have decided to act against them. All things considered I am surprised they did not enact considerably harsher laws.

How does putting restrictions on the Bible solve anything? All that is doing is adding fuel to the fire. If the Christians are angry, why would you do something to anger them more? How does that help anything?

But they aren't offensive and hateful. They're afraid of Christian Fundamentalists and have decided to act against them. All things considered I am surprised they did not enact considerably harsher laws.

I may do so if they take further action.

King MacDonald

I may do so if they take further action.

King MacDonald

Which will prolong your problem.
Just keep chucking the coal into the furnace...
Why don't you actually try to solve the problem instead of continuing to put restrictions on the Christians that will only stir things up more than they already are?

To: King MacDonald of Kahta
From: President Holtz of Holy Paradise
I ask that you give me permission to enter your country and have negotiations over this issue. I will come with 2 bodyguards and no one else. Do we hae a deal?

To: Government of Crossman
From: P3X1299 Foreign Office

Subject: Regarding the Banning of Bibles

Despite the fact that fact that the government of the sovereign nation of Kahta has decided to severely regulate Bibles, we are not going to choose to cut off relations with them of to impose any form of sanctions. The government of P3X1299 will act to protect its national interest, namely profit, if anyone does attempt to meddle in the affairs of Kahta, it will be severely frowned upon.

The government of Kahta has, by making the Bible severely regulated created an artificially inflated price for it. Since it is entirely legal for residents of P3X1299 to make a profit, especially if it benefits the corporation, and since Bibles are entirely legal to possess in P3X1299, the government of P3X1299 cannot accept any responsibility for any Bibles that turn up in Kahta and are thought to have originated in P3X1299.

Sincerely,
Secretary of State, Jonathan O'Malley

OOC: We have not banned the bible. Reread the article from the AP.

OOC: You are creating a market though. :p I just used the word ban for convenience.

To: King MacDonald of Kahta
From: President Holtz of Holy Paradise
I ask that you give me permission to enter your country and have negotiations over this issue. I will come with 2 bodyguards and no one else. Do we hae a deal?

We may discuss things over an instant message service.

King MacDonald

To: Government of Crossman
From: P3X1299 Foreign Office

Subject: Regarding the Banning of Bibles

Despite the fact that fact that the government of the sovereign nation of Kahta has decided to severely regulate Bibles, we are not going to choose to cut off relations with them of to impose any form of sanctions. The government of P3X1299 will act to protect its national interest, namely profit, if anyone does attempt to meddle in the affairs of Kahta, it will be severely frowned upon.

The government of Kahta has, by making the Bible severely regulated created an artificially inflated price for it. Since it is entirely legal for residents of P3X1299 to make a profit, especially if it benefits the corporation, and since Bibles are entirely legal to possess in P3X1299, the government of P3X1299 cannot accept any responsibility for any Bibles that turn up in Kahta and are thought to have originated in P3X1299.

Sincerely,
Secretary of State, Jonathan O'Malley



OOC: You are creating a market though. :p I just used the word ban for convenience.

The bible is still provided free. You may try to sell it, but most churches still give it out for free. All that is required is that they are registered.

King MacDonald

I've RPed stuff before. You're out of line for a 2003 nation with only 263 posts.

#1, That was one of the most snobbish responses I've ever heard out of someone here ever... excepting certain Watchlist nations, whose names I shall not utter here. Keep in mind that I am equally angry at you and the fools who are trying to attack you. I wouldn't offer military assistance to either side if they attacked you as well.
#2 Have you, in an RP, ever been attacked by these "angry fundies" before? A link would, in all truth, be useful, to give some sort of justification to your action. Otherwise, you're just pulling stuff out your arse to get people here riled.
#3 I will admit, I have not yet gotten involved in a serious RP, in II or the NS parts of the forums, yet, but I didn't get into the ESUS on my good looks and charm either.

As is, people are coming in here yelling at you for banning the Bible, and even if that isn't what you did, it doesn't matter because it's whats in the fricking title of the thread! What do you expect?

As is, even if all you're doing is "severely regulating" it's use, don't be surprised if some black market arises around it. When governments ban or try to make acquiring something impossible, there are people willing to risk a lot to get it - like with drugs. Or, corruption will cause the authorities to look the other way as well, like in the 20s with Prohibition in the U.S. Finally, persecuting Christians, ecspecially those crazy fundamentalists, is usually something they want. It is a tenet of Christian belief to stand firm in the face of persecution, to please God and show men that they take what they believe in seriously. Just look at the Roman empire, they were killing Christians left and right and they couldn't stop it. My advice? Arrest the wrongdoers but de-regulate the Bible. If a Christian will not obey his government, when said government is not directly persecuting him, he is by proxy sinning, as we Christians are told to "submit to authority," unless the authority is, of course, trying to squelch the faith. Your problems will only increase if you persecute them, which would truly make your senate the greater of the fools in the end.

~Anithraldur

#1, That was one of the most snobbish responses I've ever heard out of someone here ever... excepting certain Watchlist nations, whose names I shall not utter here. Keep in mind that I am equally angry at you and the fools who are trying to attack you. I wouldn't offer military assistance to either side if they attacked you as well.

Well then, that's a good thing, isn't it? If you're in the ESUS, that mean's you're future tech, meaning you would be ignored before you could lift a finger anway.

#2 Have you, in an RP, ever been attacked by these "angry fundies" before? A link would, in all truth, be useful, to give some sort of justification to your action. Otherwise, you're just pulling stuff out your arse to get people here riled.

Welcome to International Incidents.

#3 I will admit, I have not yet gotten involved in a serious RP, in II or the NS parts of the forums, yet, but I didn't get into the ESUS on my good looks and charm either.

HAHA! The ESUS isn't exactly an exclusive club, you know. I got invited as soon as I went Future Tech. What does it tell you that I so easily turned the invitation down?

Well then, that's a good thing, isn't it? If you're in the ESUS, that mean's you're future tech, meaning you would be ignored before you could lift a finger anway.

HAHA! The ESUS isn't exactly an exclusive club, you know. I got invited as soon as I went Future Tech. What does it tell you that I so easily turned the invitation down?

Yet I have a modern tech puppet - or are you deaf when I say that I'm not going to support either side?

Anyone can get invited, but you have to pass an RP test to get in.

*sigh* Any sort of humility is in such sort supply these days...

I have plenty of humility, believe me. However, this entire thread has me riled up. It is quite apparent that the people on NS have no respect for national soveriegnty. And don't count yourself special, I have a natural dislike of people who sign themselves up for alliances and then think themselves 'special'.

I have plenty of humility, believe me. However, this entire thread has me riled up. It is quite apparent that the people on NS have no respect for national soveriegnty. And don't count yourself special, I have a natural dislike of people who sign themselves up for alliances and then think themselves 'special'.

Did I ever disrespect Kahtan sovereignty? No. Did I believe what he is doing is the most foolish course a nation can take, if they're trying to get rid of Christianity? Yes. I will not attack Kahta, with my modern tech nation, as long as Kahta refrains from capital persecution of Christians, or any other mainstream religious group. I am very much against attacking Kahta for his actions - I'm surprised you didn't see that in my posts.
I never accounted myself special. I used the example of my passage into the ESUS as an example that I'm not a g0dm0dding n00b nor a bumbling idiot, which is what Kahta so snidely seemed to imply in his reply to me.

Did I ever disrespect Kahtan sovereignty? No. Did I believe what he is doing is the most foolish course a nation can take, if they're trying to get rid of Christianity? Yes. I will not attack Kahta, with my modern tech nation, as long as Kahta refrains from capital persecution of Christians, or any other mainstream religious group. I am very much against attacking Kahta for his actions - I'm surprised you didn't see that in my posts.
I never accounted myself special. I used the example of my passage into the ESUS as an example that I'm not a g0dm0dding n00b nor a bumbling idiot, which is what Kahta so snidely seemed to imply in his reply to me.

I never meant to imply that it was you that was violating his sovereignty, I apologize if you took it that way. I was merely pointing out that that is the reason I'm acting like an ass right now.

Also, if that is truely the reason you brought the ESUS up, I withdraw my previous comments.

Last OT post, I promise...

"I've RPed stuff before. You're out of line for a 2003 nation with only 263 posts."

That was his reply to me when I first commented on the situation. I got a distinctly elitist vibe from it.

To: Kahta
From: The United Kyleralian Republic

We have read over matters more fluently this time and have picked out the details. We are very angered by the Restriction on the bible even though people can still use it. We are unsure whether this move by the government was made against Christians because of their belief. Right now we are not rushing to war and will not make military action unless your government performs acts of violence against Christians. However we have not withdrawn from this conflict and will be keeping a close eye on how it unfolds.

His Truly,
President Kyle Of The United Republic of Kyleralia

Can I have a summary of what happened and various reactions? If an ally is going to war I may help.

Fundamentalist Christianity is militant? That in itself is absaloutely ridiculous. You are probably not even caring enough to investigate fundamentalism. Fundamentalist Christianity is probably one of the most peaceful you will find. The one exception to when those Christians will fight is if they believe their country is in danger. Even If you look back to the Roman Empire you find that persecuted Christians did not take any militant action even though they were being imprisoned and slaughterd. Therefore you, sir, have no idea of fundamentalism.
Those who are extremists are not fundamentalists. If they were fundamentalists they would "turn the other cheek" rather than be militant. And they are told in the Bible, which any true fundamentalist would believe is God's perfect word, then they would know that God has proclaimed that the Jews are his people. If any Christians murders someone you know what they ought to believe should be their punishment? Death. For in that very same Bible it says that if a "man shed's another man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed." In other words supporting capitol punishment.
Again I say that your view of fundamentalism is flawed. Anyone who preaches that Christianity should be militant is no fundamentalist Christian at all.
And please dont say "they just require a permit" but that is just where it starts. And all that means is that you have set restrictions upon the Bible itself through editing it, or on those who have it. No matter which way you go, it is a grave mistake to create such a controversial and unfair decision.

"We stand behind the recent decisions in Kahta and the Fabus monarchy of Kahta in these trying times."


Czar Roger Fabus


Ooc- Roger considers Queen Victoria Fabus of Kahta as the 'brains behind the operation'. But he also supports Sam MacDonald, only reluctantly though, because he is married to Victoria. If Sam legally changed his name to Fabus, Roger would give him more support.

While the nation of HadesRulesMuch is shocked and infuriated by the callous, underhanded, and obviously tyrannical nature of the ruling party of Kahta, it maintains a strict policy of non-infringement upon the sovereign rights of other nations. However, military action taken against Christians will be considered an extreme violation of human rights, in direct opposition to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948 as set forth by the UN. We would point out that Hitler based his actions against Jews on similarly shaky ground, and that he also started small. Further evaluation will be necessary to determine the true state of affairs in Kahta. It is our opinion that these actions indicate a definite violation a civil rights, and that Kahta is obviously not a Democratic nation, regardless of its supposed Congress. King MacDonald obviously possesses far too much power to fairly govern his people. No action will be taken at this time. However, HadesRulesMuch will not hesitate to accept political refugees from Kahta, and will immediately and unhesistatingly move to prevent violent acts towards Christians and any other religious faction in Kahta. Our economy is all-consuming, our population enormous, and yet our greatest strength of all lies in our steadfast dedication to preserving the rights of individual citizens. Once again, no military action will be taken upon current grounds, and any action taken by another nation on these grounds will be frowned upon. However, any and all military action taken against any religous faction will eb considered a violation of human rights, and will summarily be considered an act of war.

Sincerely Yours,
President Hades

Memo to Hades:

The government of P3X1299 finds your nation most ironinc indeed, and is somewhat amused by the position that you have adopted.

Secretary of State, Jonathan O'Malley

I know this is a bit late but the nets been down so I havnt been able to reply. BUT Crossman what a F**king T**t.
OOC: and the neutron bombs from boggy b mean nothing. He isn't capable of the tech, so I wouldn't go around saying you have them unless you want people to laugh at you. Even though we already are after this post, but I mean laugh at you in the "haha, stupid n00b" way. Just a heads up. Do you really think I care, I've been writting about duck guided missiles, I'm messing around I'm not taking this serious the day I do I'll shoot myself in the face.
Also Vietnam. Bhuddists monks set themselves on fire. That was a protest against war you retard. Hardly an effective weapon. Sorry for trying to have a laugh but obviously Crossman is actually quite like a world leader for being a picky, unfriendly and an utter c**t.

OOC: We have not banned the bible.


Looks at the name of the topic:

Bible Banned, burnt, destroyed


:rolleyes:

TBA Condems the Actions and law Passed in the Kahta Nation

We will full heartedly suport any action taken to free the christian faith from tereny. Restritions on the bible go against everything the bible stands for. if the law is not vetoed with do hast TBA will be isueing a order of war and will indue go to war to protect Christian Rights of faith.

OOC: I Strongly dislike this Litle law of yours sence I myself am a Christian (Baptist to be exact) and I colect bibles i have over 450 in my home and a law like that in RL would make me want to kill everyone who voted for it.

Official Imperial Statement:

We wil back our ally Holy Paradise and the TBA alliance.

"We fully stand by Kahta. It is his right to govern his country in a way that he sees fit. Nations must not be pushed around by bible-thumpers who insist on forcibly converting people."-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim

I know this is a bit late but the nets been down so I havnt been able to reply. BUT Crossman what a F**king T**t.

Do you really think I care, I've been writting about duck guided missiles, I'm messing around I'm not taking this serious the day I do I'll shoot myself in the face.

Also That was a protest against war you retard. Hardly an effective weapon. Sorry for trying to have a laugh but obviously Crossman is actually quite like a world leader for being a picky, unfriendly and an utter c**t.

OOC: Well sorry if I've offended you with trying to do a decent RP. And I can't quite see how I'm unfriendly. Especially when, look who's using "unfriendly" language. Is it me? I think not.

And if you just want to mess around, why don't you start your own thread. There are plenty of "messing around" threads. So do that and keep your "messing around" out of the actual RPs.

So I'll kindly and friendly ask that you take your foul trash talking elsewhere.

Looks at the name of the topic:

Bible Banned, burnt, destroyed


:rolleyes:

Yeah. Its kind of hard to say things haven't been done when the topic clearly states it. Think twice before you post Kahta.

OOC: I Strongly dislike this Litle law of yours sence I myself am a Christian (Baptist to be exact) and I colect bibles i have over 450 in my home and a law like that in RL would make me want to kill everyone who voted for it.

OOC: Wow. I've never heard of a Bible collector. Well at least you're prepared for anything that would require a Bible..

Who it may concern,
Our nation belives it is not right for the goverment to remove someones religion. In our Empire of Kangerlussuaq every person is allowed to practice their religion and neither religions becomes more favor then the other. The goverment does regulate the chirch building or community centers for specific religions, but it depends on your nation I guess.

OCC: I dont know much about religion since I dont have one, I barly like talking about it because it always starts a dispute, but I think everone should have the choice of choosing and then being treated like everyone else with that religion.

We agree with the this statement.

Indeed.

bump

Official Statement from The Kyleralian Royal Parliament

We have not left this matter to rest just yet. We back our ally, The Borman Empire. If any military force is used we will contribute to the effort.

Official Statement from The Kyleralian Royal Parliament

We have not left this matter to rest just yet. We back our ally, The Borman Empire. If any military force is used we will contribute to the effort.

Agreed.

So we have a coalition. Now we just need to know if the coalition shall take action. I shall leave that to the nation that brought us in. If Holy Paradise decided war is needed we shall go to it.

So we have a coalition. Now we just need to know if the coalition shall take action. I shall leave that to the nation that brought us in. If Holy Paradise decided war is needed we shall go to it.

The Imperium will wait to see what happens. We would rather not rush into a conflict. So far, diplomacy has not worked.

ok

So we have a coalition. Now we just need to know if the coalition shall take action. I shall leave that to the nation that brought us in. If Holy Paradise decided war is needed we shall go to it.



Ooc- Remember the king of Kahta is married to a sister (Victoria Fabus) of my leader, Roger Fabus. Roger would not let his sister's safety be threatened.

So we have a coalition. Now we just need to know if the coalition shall take action. I shall leave that to the nation that brought us in. If Holy Paradise decided war is needed we shall go to it.

Good god, you'd invade over an internal issue?

Ooc- Remember the king of Kahta is married to a sister (Victoria Fabus) of my leader, Roger Fabus. Roger would not let his sister's safety be threatened.

HadesRulesMuch will personally ensure the safety of the Queen, as she has thus far shown no inclination towards her husbands tyrannical policies. As it is, we shall not aid the invasion effort, as we see no just cause as yet, by which we mean violent action being taken towards Christians in Kahta. However, we will personally move to mediate between the coalition and Decisive Action, particularly in regard to the safety of Her Majesty Queen Fabus. Thus, we shall ensure her safety is not threatened by personally overseeing her defense. Any attempt by coalition nations to attack innocent civilians directly, or to kill non-military targets, excepting only administration officials who have cirectly supported the oppressive measures, will be seen as a much greater breach of human rights than Kahta's oppressive measures. HadesRulesMuch will not allow civilian targets, or attacks on figures that are unrelated to current measures. The Queen will be safe, and we will willingly ensure that control of the nation will be placed in her hands once hostilities conclude, assuming that the coalition forces are victorious.

Ooc- Remember the king of Kahta is married to a sister (Victoria Fabus) of my leader, Roger Fabus. Roger would not let his sister's safety be threatened.

No harm will come to Victoria.

Good god, you'd invade over an internal issue?

No one respected my soverignty. I have something against Kahta. If our ally did we would. Its a big issue.

Ooc- All anti-Kahta powers please contact me via IM or TG.

OOC: Wow. I've never heard of a Bible collector. Well at least you're prepared for anything that would require a Bible..
OOC: ya Got bibles in hebrew, Latin, Greek, Rusian, old english, and many new english ones as well.

I would ask that this please be averted- we cannot afford to go to war over a slight action the Kahtan government took, which, when you think about it, has no effect on you.

I would ask that this please be averted- we cannot afford to go to war over a slight action the Kahtan government took, which, when you think about it, has no effect on you.
it afects the rights of Christians so afects The Brothers and sisters in Christ that the Holy Empire of Dailey will defend at all costs.

Look, Kahta has not killed any Christians, has not ruined their lives. He has regulated the Bible, which is rather foolish. But think about it for a moment...
Whenever Christianity is oppressed, it flourishes. It is the nature of the religion to do so. It would be ultimately wiser to let Kahta do this and watch as the Christians within his nation only get louder - and more listened to. If he was summarily terminating Christians, then military action would be called for. As is, all I see from this self-proclaimed "Christian" alliance is saber-rattling and the desire to pave over an ideology you despise. But you're outnumbered, you should know this. How many atheist fanatic nations are there on NS? Much more than are Christian nations in your alliance. And these atheists are just as eager to flatten any remotely Christian nations.
I, as one of those insane fundamentalist Christians, see absolutely no wisdom or sanity in this pending action. If I wasn't so disgusted with Kahta's snide response to my post, I might even consider taking action against you for violating national sovereignty. By doing this you only deepen the hate between the two camps, and act as a bad witness of Christ for all to see.

Look, Kahta has not killed any Christians, has not ruined their lives. He has regulated the Bible, which is rather foolish. But think about it for a moment...
Whenever Christianity is oppressed, it flourishes. It is the nature of the religion to do so. It would be ultimately wiser to let Kahta do this and watch as the Christians within his nation only get louder - and more listened to. If he was summarily terminating Christians, then military action would be called for. As is, all I see from this self-proclaimed "Christian" alliance is saber-rattling and the desire to pave over an ideology you despise. But you're outnumbered, you should know this. How many atheist fanatic nations are there on NS? Much more than are Christian nations in your alliance. And these atheists are just as eager to flatten any remotely Christian nations.
I, as one of those insane fundamentalist Christians, see absolutely no wisdom or sanity in this pending action. If I wasn't so disgusted with Kahta's snide response to my post, I might even consider taking action against you for violating national sovereignty. By doing this you only deepen the hate between the two camps, and act as a bad witness of Christ for all to see.
You have a point But as the leader of TBA i must act on a request the TBA Alliance had from a member of the Alliance. TBA wishs for a diplomatic solution to be agreaed upon but if worst come to worse we shail open the lines of war and Fight with all the might the alliance has to offer.

The Emperor of Stong Bah supports Kahta in any actions against those fucking fundies that he may wish. Anyone who attacks will be hit from the skies.

By the way, how do I get an issue or custom issue in my issue docket so I can do something like this myself?

"I strongly suggest that Sam of Kahta resign or be deposed and that the executive powers of state of Kahta be granted to the capable hands of the queen, Victoria Fabus. Sam would be permitted to retain a ceremonial role, but he has proven himself incapable of being trusted with any real degree of power. This would be for the best interests of the Kahtan people."


Czar Roger Fabus

Don't even try it. Stong Bah will martial its military might and advantageous global position to defend its allies.

Don't even try it. Stong Bah will martial its military might and advantageous global position to defend its allies.


Ooc- What experience can they have? You have a grand total of 15 posts. So you jump new into the scene with an army that you pull out of nowhere, and you send them into combat against my army that has been in over 20-30 major operations, wars, campaigns, in the last few RL months... I wonder what the result will be. (I really hate when a nation with 10 posts that is 5-9 months old, pops out of the woodwork in a time like this. It makes me think he is a puppet of a much larger nation who never used the said nation, and is trying to use it currently)

ooc-So you'd ignore me, or my modern tech puppet as well, just because I don't spend all my time on II RPing, and don't have thousands of posts? There is a prerequisite of 1000 posts before anyone can join in an RP and actually be taken seriously? I think that is bull, frankly.
Don't take this as a bill of support for Stong Bah, however. He looks like a prime example of an atheist nation who will piledrive any Christian nation he thinks he can take.

Ooc- What experience can they have? You have a grand total of 15 posts. So you jump new into the scene with an army that you pull out of nowhere, and you send them into combat against my army that has been in over 20-30 major operations, wars, campaigns, in the last few RL months... I wonder what the result will be. (I really hate when a nation with 10 posts that is 5-9 months old, pops out of the woodwork in a time like this. It makes me think he is a puppet of a much larger nation who never used the said nation, and is trying to use it currently)

OOC: Don't you just love when they do that?

Atheist? Who said we were atheist? This is a nation of freely believing people, at least until I get a chance to officially impose Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism by issue. HOW THE HELL DO I DO THAT?

By the way, Stong Bah is noone's puppet. I've been around since last year, and I have my own region. All are invited to come to New New York if you agree to live in peace with its current inhabitants!

"I strongly suggest that Sam of Kahta resign or be deposed and that the executive powers of state of Kahta be granted to the capable hands of the queen, Victoria Fabus. Sam would be permitted to retain a ceremonial role, but he has proven himself incapable of being trusted with any real degree of power. This would be for the best interests of the Kahtan people."


Czar Roger Fabus

"I strongly suggest Sam not agree to this- Roger is merely looking for a puppet to use for manpower, in my mind. It is in the best interests of civilization for Sam to stay in power- he's done a fine job."-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim.

Sam of Kahta is doing the finest of work, the work necessitated for the sfaety of his people and the world. His wife, if anything, needs to be deposed, and if possible imprisoned; however, Sam's affection is probably too strong to carry out this (probably necessary) action.

Sam of Kahta is doing the finest of work, the work necessitated for the sfaety of his people and the world.I think it would be more effective to widely publicize pro-friendliness, anti-criminal, and anti-murder quotes of the Bible than to regulate it.

"I also support Sam's continued rule. While I don't necessarily agree with his policy, I cannot call for him to be deposed." - Emperor Erik Kersk of the Ninthian Tribe

I think it would be more effective to widely publicize pro-friendliness, anti-criminal, and anti-murder quotes of the Bible than to regulate it.

I admit that his method may leave something to be desired. However, I am firmly convinced of the correctness of his cause and the goodnes of his intentions.

"We stand behind the recent decisions in Kahta and the Fabus monarchy of Kahta in these trying times."


Czar Roger Fabus


Ooc- Roger considers Queen Victoria Fabus of Kahta as the 'brains behind the operation'. But he also supports Sam MacDonald, only reluctantly though, because he is married to Victoria. If Sam legally changed his name to Fabus, Roger would give him more support.

I suspect you simply want to dispose of the elected king of Kahta.

King MacDonald

OOC: Why would he consider Victoria responsible?

TBA Condems the Actions and law Passed in the Kahta Nation

We will full heartedly suport any action taken to free the christian faith from tereny. Restritions on the bible go against everything the bible stands for. if the law is not vetoed with do hast TBA will be isueing a order of war and will indue go to war to protect Christian Rights of faith.

OOC: I Strongly dislike this Litle law of yours sence I myself am a Christian (Baptist to be exact) and I colect bibles i have over 450 in my home and a law like that in RL would make me want to kill everyone who voted for it.

I am agnostic, and I do not care for the Christian rights. It was decided by an eleceted body of representatives, voted for by the people.

King MacDonald

OOC: I'm agnostic in RL, but I am 100% for freedom of religion, a law like this would be horrendus.

HadesRulesMuch will personally ensure the safety of the Queen, as she has thus far shown no inclination towards her husbands tyrannical policies. As it is, we shall not aid the invasion effort, as we see no just cause as yet, by which we mean violent action being taken towards Christians in Kahta. However, we will personally move to mediate between the coalition and Decisive Action, particularly in regard to the safety of Her Majesty Queen Fabus. Thus, we shall ensure her safety is not threatened by personally overseeing her defense. Any attempt by coalition nations to attack innocent civilians directly, or to kill non-military targets, excepting only administration officials who have cirectly supported the oppressive measures, will be seen as a much greater breach of human rights than Kahta's oppressive measures. HadesRulesMuch will not allow civilian targets, or attacks on figures that are unrelated to current measures. The Queen will be safe, and we will willingly ensure that control of the nation will be placed in her hands once hostilities conclude, assuming that the coalition forces are victorious.

OOC: Fabus is a member of the White Knights of Mississippi. AKA the KKK.

"We fully stand by Kahta. It is his right to govern his country in a way that he sees fit. Nations must not be pushed around by bible-thumpers who insist on forcibly converting people."-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim

Thank you Alec.

King MacDonald

The Emperor of Stong Bah supports Kahta in any actions against those fucking fundies that he may wish. Anyone who attacks will be hit from the skies.

By the way, how do I get an issue or custom issue in my issue docket so I can do something like this myself?

OOC: Click submit an issue on the issues page.

Thank you for your support.

King MacDonald

"I strongly suggest that Sam of Kahta resign or be deposed and that the executive powers of state of Kahta be granted to the capable hands of the queen, Victoria Fabus. Sam would be permitted to retain a ceremonial role, but he has proven himself incapable of being trusted with any real degree of power. This would be for the best interests of the Kahtan people."


Czar Roger Fabus

"I was elected by the people of Kahta in a real election unlike your father was. I suggest you fuck yourself."

King MacDonald

Look, Kahta has not killed any Christians, has not ruined their lives. He has regulated the Bible, which is rather foolish. But think about it for a moment...
Whenever Christianity is oppressed, it flourishes. It is the nature of the religion to do so. It would be ultimately wiser to let Kahta do this and watch as the Christians within his nation only get louder - and more listened to. If he was summarily terminating Christians, then military action would be called for. As is, all I see from this self-proclaimed "Christian" alliance is saber-rattling and the desire to pave over an ideology you despise. But you're outnumbered, you should know this. How many atheist fanatic nations are there on NS? Much more than are Christian nations in your alliance. And these atheists are just as eager to flatten any remotely Christian nations.
I, as one of those insane fundamentalist Christians, see absolutely no wisdom or sanity in this pending action. If I wasn't so disgusted with Kahta's snide response to my post, I might even consider taking action against you for violating national sovereignty. By doing this you only deepen the hate between the two camps, and act as a bad witness of Christ for all to see.

Christianity will never flourish in Kahta, people know the truth of Science.

King MacDonald

OOC: ya Got bibles in hebrew, Latin, Greek, Rusian, old english, and many new english ones as well.

OOC: Hebrew? Thats interesting.

The Emperor of Stong Bah supports Kahta in any actions against those fucking fundies that he may wish. Anyone who attacks will be hit from the skies.

By the way, how do I get an issue or custom issue in my issue docket so I can do something like this myself?

You don't need to pass an issue to dictate laws in your nation. You can simply say that such a law passed.

Christianity will never flourish in Kahta, people know the truth of Science.

King MacDonald

If they know the truth of science then wouldn't Christianity flourish?

We are disgusted by this comment and will never commence in trade with Kahta.

Christianity will never flourish in Kahta, people know the truth of Science.

King MacDonald

Official Statement from the Kyleralian Royal Parliament

We are extremely offended by this statment made by Kahta. We cannot express the anger held right now against your nation. Christians In all differant Nations will probally hate you now because you have not thought before you said anything.

Official Statement From P3X1299 Minister of Education

The Department of Education objects to your semantics. We believe that science can reveal only fact. Philosophy and religion are the only ways to find real truth.

How dare he say Christianity will never flourish. I will go over there and teach it myself if I have to!

-President Holtz

How dare he say Christianity will never flourish. I will go over there and teach it myself if I have to!

-President Holtz


Pretty good idea I'd love to start sending a missionary or maybe a few.... with your permission of course.

"I was elected by the people of Kahta in a real election unlike your father was. I suggest you fuck yourself."

King MacDonald

Now Children, this is no way to speak to someone who is just trying to help out.

Now Children, this is no way to speak to someone who is just trying to help out.


Roger and Sam do not get along.

Official Statement From P3X1299 Minister of Education

The Department of Education objects to your semantics. We believe that science can reveal only fact. Philosophy and religion are the only ways to find real truth.

Fact is truth.

King MacDonald

Official Statement from the Kyleralian Royal Parliament

We are extremely offended by this statment made by Kahta. We cannot express the anger held right now against your nation. Christians In all differant Nations will probally hate you now because you have not thought before you said anything.


I doubt that. Kahta went from being 80% Christian to 20% in 20 years. This was largely because of national educational standards that were imposed, and people looked at the fact, rather than learning about creationism.

King MacDonald

If they know the truth of science then wouldn't Christianity flourish?

We are disgusted by this comment and will never commence in trade with Kahta.


Truth is in fact, which is science. We never have made trade with you anyways.

King MacDonald

Religion was once a substitute for truth and for observation. The Gods were objects of explanation and accountability, and of judgement; other emotions regarding them were largely superfluous. God was a dream of good Government (thankyou Morpheus) but also an entitiy upon which to pin blame, base judgement, and in which to confide. God performed the functions of political and legal systems the world over today, and stood in for inadequacies in science. Now, legality, politics and science have taken the place of the Gods.

- a statement from the Culture Minister, Diane Scargill

Science involves theoretical explanation; it is not necessarily fact.
This was largely because of national educational standards that were imposedAll this tells us is that you have effective propaganda techniques.
GodsPlease use all lowercase letters when describing false beings.

To describe an entity as false merely because you do not believe it to be true is hardly logical.

"God was a dream"
This seems to me to describe it as false. (Although God as a singular entity is certainly real.)

If I do not believe in something, and believe it to be false, what harm is there in saying it is false?

Yes, I suppose you're right. No harm done by either view, so long as it acknowledges and tolerates the other.

"I find the policy of Dailey hilarious. He's acting up for christians, by threatening to kill Kahtans. The Bible says Thou shalt not kill. Maybe if Kahta was killing or completely outlawing christians, you would have at least a theological standing point. You would be killing to stop killing, which in some people's eyes is justice. However, to kill just because bibles have to be registered? I honestly doubt that is what your god asks or expects from you. You had better hope your religion is in fact false, or you shall burn in hell for your crimes against it."

Alexandra Mitterand
Secretary of State

OOC: Chellis is, btw, 99% Atheist, 99.99% Atheist/Sirithilist. All other religions are illegal, though we have trouble getting rid of everyone, as some people secretly print the bible, koran, or just word of mouth.

In fact...And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

In fact...

I dont actually get it, lol...

I dont actually get it, lol...If the people can't read Bibles, they might "know not" and "commit things worthy of stripes". If a Christian knowingly disobeys the Bible to prevent this, he "knows his Lord's will" and "does not according to His will". Because of this, he will be "beaten with many stripes", but the non-Christian would have been "beaten with few stripes" if he remained ignorant.

If the people can't read Bibles, they might "know not" and "commit things worthy of stripes". If a Christian knowingly disobeys the Bible to prevent this, he "knows his Lord's will" and "does not according to His will". By doing this, he will be "beaten with many stripes", but the non-Christian will be "beaten with few stripes".

Assuming I understand now, not sure if I do, I still don't see the point. I really don't think killing kahtans(kahtan soldiers, etc) to take away bible registration is what god's will is, with my limited understanding of the bible.

I really don't think killing kahtans(kahtan soldiers, etc) to take away bible registration is what god's will is, with my limited understanding of the bible.If it's against His will, and someone knows this but does it anyway, he just got himself more "stripes" than the people who knew nothing of Christianity would get, and they might also now fit into the first category.
(If I am reading it correctly...)

Truth is in fact, which is science. We never have made trade with you anyways.

King MacDonald

We shall never commence in it with your nation.

OK, then.

Official Announcement of the House of the Emperor of Stong Bah:
From hereon forth, no religion or theological idea set shall be tolerated in Stong Bah except for Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, secularism, and new religions proclamed herein. This shall also constitute a ban on Humanist Morality, which teaches that the human being and human masses are the moral all and all. Amendments to this proclomation may be made, if the Buddhists stop annoying the Emperor with their talk of passive, inner peace instead of active life. The new religions here described and legalized are: Potterism, Daiism, and the Temple of the Wisdom Above. They are described as here put forth: Potterism is a deist religion that believes in the existence of Harry Potter's world alongside ours, and that all appearances of gods are actually encroachments of the One True Harry Potter into our world. Daiism is the belief in a great diety called the One, which created lower gods/beings called the Powers That Be, which in turn created mortal life. One of them then created Death, and so some mortals serve the Powers in order to slow down the death of the Universe. Finally, the Temple of the Wisdom Above is a religion worshipping the supposed stone cover over the world, above which is a god called The Wisdom Above.

In summary, the above listed faiths are all that are legal within Stong Bah. Any citizens not liking this can move to a more tolerant nation, because His Highness the Emperor isn't going to allow any hogwash theological ideas within His country. The formation of Satanic cults however, shall remain unrestricted, provided said cults put up reasonable resistance when the Police try to eliminate them so that the Police get good practice.

Moronyicka would like to renew our support for the TBA. Please contact me when you declare war on Kahta.


~King Jedo~

OOC: I've been reading this intire thred and find that it's a completely internal/Civil rights isue

IC: TBA Minister of Defence has isued this statement Today:
To all TBA members, TBA will not suport any actions taken military wise in the mater of the new Bible law that has been put in afect in the nation of Kahta.

We Do however Wish to offer a Place for all Christians Being opressed to Ivacuate to. The Holy Empire of Dailey has Started construction on a Refugee camp 20 miles north of the Daileyian Capital. Daileyian Civilians are willing to start Building a New under Water City for the Christians that Are evacuated.

If the people can't read Bibles, they might "know not" and "commit things worthy of stripes". If a Christian knowingly disobeys the Bible to prevent this, he "knows his Lord's will" and "does not according to His will". Because of this, he will be "beaten with many stripes", but the non-Christian would have been "beaten with few stripes" if he remained ignorant.

The laws in Kahta restrict people the same way a "moral code" would. If they break a law in Kahta, they get prison time.

King MacDonald

The Peoples Republic of Sovick may be slightly leaning toward dictatorship, but it doesnt banned religion.
I pray your nation collapses from such brutal acts.....
The Sovick Government will take in all those Christians that flee persecution.

The Peoples Republic of Sovick may be slightly leaning toward dictatorship, but it doesnt banned religion.
I pray your nation collapses from such brutal acts.....
The Sovick Government will take in all those Christians that flee persecution.

Who will you pray to? "God"? Nothing was ever banned.

King MacDonald

How can you not say nothing was banned, its right in the name. You also said you destroyed and burnt bibles. Thats a terrible act that only someone who is really twisted would do. Its a cruel blow to civil rights and a sign of hatred against Christians.

How can you not say nothing was banned, its right in the name. You also said you destroyed and burnt bibles. Thats a terrible act that only someone who is really twisted would do. Its a cruel blow to civil rights and a sign of hatred against Christians.

You sir are a moron. Read the entire topic instead of skimming it.

If the title says the bibles banned, then why do you say it isnt?

If the title says the bibles banned, then why do you say it isnt?

Sensationalist Media.

The leaders of the Baptist church in Kahta were arrested today for preaching intolerance. They will be imprisoned until I feel they have learned their lesson.

King MacDonald

I'm only new to power in my country but having read through this thread I still can't believe how easy it is to get the bible thumpers ranting and frothing at the mouth. You people are truly insane. Can you really not see that your ramblings only bring more hassling? People like myself can't help it, we keep poking, waiting for that throbbing vein in your forehead to pop like a little geyser. Keep it up boys I can always use a good laugh.


Sorry to leave mid-postm just had to pop over and talk to the chief of my secret police. As of now Christianinty is banned in Austograndia and Casinomania. All clergy are being arrested and deported. All property of the church has been nationalised. Have a nice day.

Me
The Grand Duke of Austograndia

I'm only new to power in my country but having read through this thread I still can't believe how easy it is to get the bible thumpers ranting and frothing at the mouth. You people are truly insane. Can you really not see that your ramblings only bring more hassling? People like myself can't help it, we keep poking, waiting for that throbbing vein in your forehead to pop like a little geyser. Keep it up boys I can always use a good laugh.


Sorry to leave mid-postm just had to pop over and talk to the chief of my secret police. As of now Christianinty is banned in Austograndia and Casinomania. All clergy are being arrested and deported. All property of the church has been nationalised. Have a nice day.

Me
The Grand Duke of Austograndia

Good choice. $1 Trillion will be sent to your country.

King MacDonald

I still can't believe how easy it is to get the bible thumpers ranting and frothing at the mouth.I think I'm the only one to have quoted the Bible, and I'm not ranting or frothing at the mouth.
You people are truly insane.Do you want to continue insulting us? I don't mind.
Matthew 5:39
Luke 6:29
Keep it up boys I can always use a good laugh.Okay.
As of now Christianinty is banned in Austograndia and Casinomania. All clergy are being arrested and deported. All property of the church has been nationalised. Have a nice day.Nianacio condemns these actions, but will not take military action at this time.

Thank you King McDonald, that is most gracious of you. I don't mean to steal any of your thunder but I couldn't help joining the fun.
Any assistance my countries can provide is yours for the asking. My were-rat cavalry can be an inspiring sight sweeping across the steppes and my secret police are very good at infiltrating suspicious groups you may wish to surveil.

On a separate issue, Tomartonia are those duck-guided missiles you spoke of for sale? That's a technology I would like to invest in.

Me
The Grand Duke of Austograndia and Casinomania

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365828

OOC:were-ratAs in rats that can change back and forth between human and rat forms? If so, my above post should be ignored, as I'm a realistic nation.

I think he means large rats genetically modified.

OOC:I think he means large rats genetically modified.Hmm...Big rats and genetically modified rats are okay, but anthropomorphic rats are beyond what I'd accept. *Shrugs*

Your abortion bounty might push Nianacio to war.

OOC: ?, I've been playing about a week man, I have no idea what's going on just trying to get into the spirit of things. You have separate games for different kinds o country? Am I supposed to post elsewhere?

OOC: Just RP modern tech.

Your abortion bounty might push Nianacio to war.

It is intended to help reduce poverty worldwide. And it will. 50% of teenage mothers stay in poverty for their entire lives.

King MacDonald

OOC:You have separate games for different kinds o country?Different people play as different kinds of nations...Fantasy modern, future, past, or some combination of those. I think I'm one of the more picky modern people.

Kahta, that was OOC.

OOC: I hadn't really thought about what kind of rats they are, I just went for a B-grade movie Translyvanian type feel when I created the country. Let's go with big GM rats for the sake of argument.

The leaders of the Baptist church in Kahta were arrested today for preaching intolerance. They will be imprisoned until I feel they have learned their lesson.

King MacDonald
On order of the Holy Empire of Dailey and the TBA you are ordered to release the Batist church leaders to the holy Empire emedeantly you have gone to far.

Stong Bah supports anyone who chooses to ban or restrict Christianity in their country. Especially because Stong Bah is 1/6 Jewish, and Jesus was never King of the Jews in the first place. HE DIED YOU BIBLE-THUMPING IDIOTS!

By the way, we would be willing to donate almighty dollars to anyone who takes action for the sake of non-Christian peace, but we're trying to build up our military right now.

On order of the Holy Empire of Dailey and the TBA you are ordered to release the Batist church leaders to the holy Empire emedeantly you have gone to far.

He's not subordinate to you. I suggest you drop this- a war with Kahta would be deadly. I almost got into one with him myself.

He's not subordinate to you. I suggest you drop this- a war with Kahta would be deadly. I almost got into one with him myself.
you Got a point there.

HE DIEDIs that a problem?
1 Peter 2:21-25
Revelation 1:5
OOC: Kahta, you'll probably be safe. I thought about Nianacio's past history regarding war and added to my draft constitution some text on war that would prevent me from starting a war.

On order of the Holy Empire of Dailey and the TBA you are ordered to release the Batist church leaders to the holy Empire emedeantly you have gone to far.

Stand down or you will face your destruction. Its your choice.

King MacDonald

OOC: Kahta, you'll probably be safe. I thought about Nianacio's past history regarding war and added to my draft constitution some text on war that would prevent me from starting a war.

OOC: OK

Derion Official Statement
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The Armed Republic of Derion is disturbed by the recent undefined and unecessary stand against Christianity. This is mostly because of the outright wrong definition of Fundamentalist Christianity. Fundamentalist Christianity is not to be seen as an equal to the fundamentalist movements of Islam. Fundamentalist Christianity is not hateful nor is it militant. Any "Christianity" That is is of the afore mentioned is a blasphemous, heresy-filled corruption of the Christian faith. Any persecution of Christians will escalate Derion's concern in the matter.
This matter is of course left in the hands of Kahta's sovereign government and Derion does not wish to bring about a war of the matter; however, should a conflict arise let it be known that Derion will take the side of those who stand for the Christians' rights. If at all possible a peaceable sollution should be thought of before war. Derion would be willing to accept any Christians who flee from persecution.


Xavier Garcia, President of The Armed Republic of Derion

Fudamentalist christians are the same people that blow up abortion clinics and dream of Christian white states. I will continue to run my country as I see fit.

King MacDonald

you have gone to far.


You think thats bad, you should go to his other topic:



http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365828

Dailey, I suggest you back off. You may very well get yourself destroyed.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
People's Democratic Republic of Sevaris

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Fudamentalist christians are the same people that blow up abortion clinics and dream of Christian white states.Surely a true fundie would know of Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:1-5, Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 2:13-17, and/or similar verses.

Dailey, I suggest you back off. You may very well get yourself destroyed.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
People's Democratic Republic of Sevaris
The King Will Follow your Suggestion and back down his forces.

KEANA TODAY HEADLINE NEWS: Bible War Looms

"Conflict Should Be Avoided at all costs." Says President Allen Sartor

Yesterday President Allen Sartor held a press conference pertaining to the escalating "Bible Ban" in Kahta. The Republic of Derion has entered the political fray and has said should war arise that they will join the alliance against Kahta. Since Derion and Keana are Allies and lie in the same region, there has been a growing fear among Keana citizens concerning the issue.
"I think its just awful what they are doing in that country," says Margerie Hamm, "But still I dont think we should be getting involved unless we have no other choice."
To address the issue President Sartor said that though he believes what Kahta is doing is wrong since it is a blatent and direct violation of human rights, and that he hopes somehow the UN can be used to resolve the issue rather than an outbreak of war.
"There should be a harder attempt to talk and meet some sort of compromise rather than make threats. This applies to those who stand on both sides of the issue." Says Sartor.
Although President Sartor wants peace, should a conflict arise, Sartor vows to stand by its allies.

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MacDonald like eighty people just declared war on you. Do you need help? If yes press one if no press two.

Can I have a link to that?

Dont give aid, Generia and allies are fighting against him.

MacDonald like eighty people just declared war on you. Do you need help? If yes press one if no press two.


Yes, please send help.

King MacDonald

KEANA TODAY HEADLINE NEWS: Bible War Looms

"Conflict Should Be Avoided at all costs." Says President Allen Sartor

Yesterday President Allen Sartor held a press conference pertaining to the escalating "Bible Ban" in Kahta. The Republic of Derion has entered the political fray and has said should war arise that they will join the alliance against Kahta. Since Derion and Keana are Allies and lie in the same region, there has been a growing fear among Keana citizens concerning the issue.
"I think its just awful what they are doing in that country," says Margerie Hamm, "But still I dont think we should be getting involved unless we have no other choice."
To address the issue President Sartor said that though he believes what Kahta is doing is wrong since it is a blatent and direct violation of human rights, and that he hopes somehow the UN can be used to resolve the issue rather than an outbreak of war.
"There should be a harder attempt to talk and meet some sort of compromise rather than make threats. This applies to those who stand on both sides of the issue." Says Sartor.
Although President Sartor wants peace, should a conflict arise, Sartor vows to stand by its allies.

There is no bible ban, all that is needed is a permit to own one, similiar to gun ownership, but any kind of bible can be owned.

King MacDonald

The King Will Follow your Suggestion and back down his forces.
Dailey I'm the one who's fighting Kahta! I need help!

SR would like to register their concern for the security of your nation by this act, however respects your wishes to run your country as you see fit. SR refuses to be involved in the coming conflict.

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"Sir MacDonald.

I have been following the reports on your decision to require registration for Bibles owned in your country.

I have no opinion of your decision. Frankly, I don't care. It's your country, however, and I applaud you for running your country as you see fit and not backing down to the demands of other countries.

Merridew takes the position that no country has the right to dictate the internal affairs of another country. Merridew is still a small nation, so, unfortunatly, I cannot pledge military support at this time. However, if war is declared against your most noble cause, I pledge all the resources Merridew may spare and Kahta requires.

Merridew's Department of Labor is also drawing up a labor force to be on stand by. Should war occur, this force may be sent to Kahta as a source of labor so more of your own men may pick up arms against your aggresors.

Merridew agrees with your foreign policies and pledges a friendly allegiance between our two countries. If you find yourself in need of support, Merridew shall provide all we can.

Harvey Acid
Soverign of Merridew"

OOC: As I see some people are hatin' 'gainst new countries with a low post count, please don't attack my legitimacy. I admit I am new. I am, however, no puppet.

OOC: I always give new guys a chance. I'll give you a a rather easy assignment that will provide a boost to your farmers.

Right now the military's stockpile of dessert ration packages are short, so, in short, I need about 50 Million of these per day. The preffered deserts are: blueberry pie, cookie dough ice cream, and chocolate chip cookies.

King MacDonald

OOC: Thank you.

"Sir MacDonald.

Merridew is pleased to assist. Kahta will receive 50 million blueberry pies and chocolate chip cookies per day. However, it will take at least three days before we can send you the cookie dough ice cream. The people of Merridew are not very fond of the dessert, so only a select few know how to actually make it. These people are currently instructing mass, government funded, mandatory classes for all ice cream cheifs.

This course will take two days to complete, allowing a day to prepare for cookie dough ice cream mass production. You will receive a shipment of 50 million gallons of cookie dough ice cream with the regular shipment on the fourth day, and everyday thereafter.

Also included with this first shipment is 2 million samplers of Merridew's National dessert, creme a la pig's feet. If your people accept the fine taste of pig's feet, we would be glad to send 25 million pig's feet desserts every three days. (We cannot send 50 million daily as we do not have enough pigs.)

Harvey Acid
Soverign of Merridew"

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Merridew National News

No More Desserts For Merridew!

The Soverign of Merridew, Harvey Acid, has issued a proclamation to all the Peoples of Merridew, effective immediatly:

"All Ice Cream Cheifs are to report to their local government building - tax collector, school, etc... - for a mandatory, two day training course on the preparation of cookie dough ice cream. All cookie dough ice cream will be sent to local ports and airports and shipped out to assist the nation of Kahta.

All other dessert cheifs will hereby begin creating nothing but blueberry pies and chocolate chip cookies. All pastries will be shipped out of country.

All dessert cheifs contact your local representative for shipping directions. This shipping industry has now been nationalized to assist efficiently in pick up and delivery of these products.

The National Government will now pay an extra stipend to blueberry farmers, to be determined on blueberry harvest. Dairy farmers will also recieve a stipend dependant on amount of cream harvested for ice cream use.

The People of Merridew are hereby forbidden from eating blueberry pie, cookie dough ice cream, and chocolate chip cookies, until further notice."

The National Quota of desserts shipped has been announced at 50 million per day. The government has also offered to purchase creme a la pig's feet dessert at 25 dollars each. The government wants only 2 million at the time, so hurry and sell your pig's feet today!

What Do You Think?

Reporter Jovanie Snell hit the streets today to see what you thought about this new decree.

"I think it's rediculous," says a woman, Sharon Busch. "What has Kahta ever done for us?" Mrs. Busch mysteriously disappeared when I turned my back, and upon questioning others, found that no one knew where she was. No one shared her views, either.

Walter Lawrence voiced his opinion. "I support the Soverign completely. It's outrageous that anyone would attack Kahta, and now that we've pledged ourselves to them, skipping dessert after dinner everynight seems a small price to pay."

"I never liked cookie dough ice cream anyway," piped up another man, Billy Kull, nodding emphatically.

Dailey I'm the one who's fighting Kahta! I need help!
Secret Message to HP

As I see it. The Alliance is dead meat if it enters this War. it also breaks one of the alliance statements wich states that We can not interfear in Internal afairse of any other nation. With that stated TBA will gladly Give HP with as much Armor suplies as we can drive off the assembly lines but it's up to the members of the alliance if they will suply the man power to run said mashines of war. TBA Defence Finds that This is a War that TBA Can suport from the shadows. TBA baners will not fly in this War. Nore Will Any Daileyian Forces enter this war on anything other then a suply Convoy.

End of Message

OOC: firstly, science and religoen could actually agree. I mean maybe god made man from dust, maybe its just a metaphor for man evolvoing from nothing. I mean a might all knowing god could make the universe in a such a way that everything could happen by itself, once he sets it off. Therefore its all true, but not word for word true, seven days maybe? Perhaps thats just god putting the parts in place for each thing he created? Or just metaphor for the order things happened. Suddenly you realise that someone very clever may have written the bible, who knew things that, at that time.. NO MAN could know.

However my religeon is undecided, so dont read too much into that.

My IC post reflects my view, that as long as you live according to the codes god wanted you wouldnt have to follow the right religeon to have your soul saved if a god existed. This is shared by nation and accounts for its religeous tolerance. We have "unknown" crime right now.

IC: Notquiteaplace beleives you should license all religeous books. Secondly the lessons to be learnt from all religeons like peace in the bible should be pushed, even if not as part of religeon, but as part of citizenship. Im not advocating a religeous state, just that certain principles that are benificial to society are taught in a non religeous context. But making sure the christians (and other religeons) know where it came from. Everyone is equally treated, and the vital messages get taught and souls saved without people knowing and your people are improved.

Everybody wins.

Your present course of action is distasteful.

OOC: and I suggest you edit the thread title too!

WTF is an RP? Role Play? We've heard there's a war on. How do we get involved to help Kahta? We can not only send our own troops now, but the troops from recently annexed IDirect3DDevice9.

OOC:Role Play?Yes.
We've heard there's a war on.Well, it ended before anything really happened.
How do we get involved to help Kahta?While it's too late to get involved in this war, in the future, write a post saying what you're doing.
We can not only send our own troops now, but the troops from recently annexed IDirect3DDevice9.The soldiers from a nation you just eliminated the sovereignty of want to fight for you? O.o

Who said they want to? I can make them. A large part of military training is to make soldiers obey their commander regardless of personal opinion or allegiance.

Emperor Arcbound Horsedog of Stong Bah, IDirect3DDevice9

You trust them? I suppose that is good...You might find yourself out of power sooner than you expect.
Military training has to do with loyalty to the nation that is executing the training.

And the region. I won't be toppled, IDirect3DDevice9 was a small, weak country in the first place. Stong Bah has given them power and glory as part of a greater empire.

Arcbound Horsedog, Emperor of New New York