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Since our economy is currently booming at an alarming rate, and our military is exceeding its expectation limits very fast. We are now developing Nuclear ICBM's which are located in 5 silos. Each silo is located in each island. One silo is in Hokkaido, the other is in Honshu, the third is in Kyushu, the fourth is in Okinawa and the last one is located in Tokyo (which is in Honshu), where the main military and economic base is.

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Since our economy is currently booming at an alarming rate, and our military is exceeding its expectation limits very fast. We are now developing Nuclear ICBM's which are located in 5 silos. Each silo is located in each island. One silo is in Hokkaido, the other is in Honshu, the third is in Kyushu, the fourth is in Okinawa and the last one is located in Tokyo (which is in Honshu), where the main military and economic base is.

((Um, no, 100 million pop required to develop/buy WMDs.))

OCC - I'm close to 100 million (86 million) so I just started early, and by the way the ICBM's might be fully developed by the time I reach 100 million.

((Um, no, 100 million pop required to develop/buy WMDs.))

not if i give them to him, but im not so don't worry.

Avu-Akar Oivi condemns any nations partaking in nuclear weapons in any way.

"Avu, Kak Avo"

Aoza-Avu
Leader of the Prime City-State
Representative for the Nona-Aoza of City-States
Avu-Akar Oivi

not if i give them to him, but im not so don't worry.
OOC: I'll give them to him if he wants. *Waits for people to condemn me*

Obligingly Condemns Praetonia on behalf of the International Fleet member nations.

:D

((Um, no, 100 million pop required to develop/buy WMDs.))
<OOC: Um, no. There are no rules concerning RP on these forums. It's all free-form.>

The NS economic calculators that I have worked with would put a "Good" economy, such as that of the Japanese People, at $6000-8000 USD per-capita GDP. Assuming 7000 per capita, the GDP would be $602 billion USD. The Japanese People tax at 60%, so annual government revenue would be 361.2 billion USD. As Defense is not listed as a national priority, I will assume that defense is 5% of the government budget, or $18.06 billion USD.

Normally, this would not be enough to maintain a nuclear weapons program except in the very earliest stages (other branches of the military must be funded as well), but it helps the Japanese People's case that their primary industry is Uranium Mining. This will reduce the cost of the nuke weapons program, so one or (maybe) two nukes would be within reach if the government poured most of its defense budget into nukes. However, 5 nuclear silos and advanced ICBM development is a bit much for a nation of that size and economy.

[OOC]: It's considered an unofficial rule to not have any WMD's until the 100 Million mark. Any time before that is ridiculous, since it's near-impossible for such a small nation to have such powerful weaponry. A comparison would be....let's think...AH!

Imagine two small households that live across the street from each other, who hate each other. Both are throwing rocks and stuff at each other. Simple enough. Now imagine they start breaking out tanks and B-52 bombers. Same sorta thing.

<OOC: Um, no. There are no rules concerning RP on these forums. It's all free-form.>


w00t, there's proof! hehe

[OOC]: It's considered an unofficial rule to not have any WMD's until the 100 Million mark. Any time before that is ridiculous, since it's near-impossible for such a small nation to have such powerful weaponry. A comparison would be....let's think...AH!

Imagine two small households that live across the street from each other, who hate each other. Both are throwing rocks and stuff at each other. Simple enough. Now imagine they start breaking out tanks and B-52 bombers. Same sorta thing.
I guess that the UK, France, Pakistan and Israel are all godmodders then?

[OOC]: It's considered an unofficial rule to not have any WMD's until the 100 Million mark. Any time before that is ridiculous, since it's near-impossible for such a small nation to have such powerful weaponry. A comparison would be....let's think...AH!

Imagine two small households that live across the street from each other, who hate each other. Both are throwing rocks and stuff at each other. Simple enough. Now imagine they start breaking out tanks and B-52 bombers. Same sorta thing.


LOL, tanks, that would be hilarious tho..

Avu-Akar Oivi condemns any nations partaking in nuclear weapons in any way.

"Avu, Kak Avo"

Aoza-Avu
Leader of the Prime City-State
Representative for the Nona-Aoza of City-States
Avu-Akar Oivi

The Japanese People ask Avu-Aka-Oivi if this is their nation, if it isn't, they have NO right to condemn our actions, if it is, then they are 100% free to do so, but this nation isn't theirs therefore we will not listen to you.

[OOC]: Places like the UK bought and created nuclear weaponry over a long period of time. (Not that I see why we have 'em in the first place. Never gonna use 'em....) JP has apparently jumped straight into Inter-Continental Ballistic Missles. A bit odd, no?

[OOC] How can the nation of yanagi islands have nukes, if they only just started their military funding, these bluffs are quite annoying.

A but are bio weapons simple? I dont see the military launching the common cold every where and about, but they can have had their DNA altered and combined to create a more powerfull weapon.

Sure a nuke can clear quite a area, then leave radiation behind to wander and drift for years, but a bio weapon can destroy a nation if not contained at its beginning.

You people underestimate biological weaponry... I find it much more effective as a weapon though not nearly as intimidating as a nuke. To many processes in making a nuke. Bio weapons can be developed in a simple and easly concealed Labratory. IE you can not detect it like you can the radiation involved in nuke production.

[OOC]: Places like the UK bought and created nuclear weaponry over a long period of time. (Not that I see why we have 'em in the first place. Never gonna use 'em....) JP has apparently jumped straight into Inter-Continental Ballistic Missles. A bit odd, no?
The UK didnt buy the first bombs they had. You have to remember, that when the Brits and French were making nuclear weaponary, it was all new ground. No one had ever made an ICBM when we were still using Avro Vulcans to transport nukes, but now it's more a case of someone catching up. It would be easy for him to develop or buy seemingly innocent missile tech and use it to make an ICBM with relative ease.

[OOC]: Therein lies one of the problems. At a size of 100 million or so, it's assumed that your economy is sufficiently large and stable to allow for the buying of said missle tech and the development of ICBM's, whilst still supplying a cash flow to all other areas of the country. Anything below 100 Million is assumed to simply be too small (And thus poor) to be able to also have the ability to build and maintain such large and powerful weapons, even once they are created.

Since our economy is currently booming at an alarming rate, and our military is exceeding its expectation limits very fast. We are now developing Nuclear ICBM's which are located in 5 silos. Each silo is located in each island. One silo is in Hokkaido, the other is in Honshu, the third is in Kyushu, the fourth is in Okinawa and the last one is located in Tokyo (which is in Honshu), where the main military and economic base is.

OOC: Most blantant case of godmodding in a long time.

1. TJP is occupied by Taiwan, Sino, and Xiaguo
2. Your military has surrendered to ROC
3. _Taiwan owns Okinawa
4. You don't have a central government
5. Seeing as you supposedly have cash to develop ICBMs, it's about time for you to start paying back the war reparations.

Actually Taiwan, he can. I was in a thread where he was asking for around 5 trillion yen. 10 posts later and still needing more than 4 trillion yen he said he recieved funds from an unconfirmed source and that the economy and military was booming.

The thread is callded, "Japanes people demand liberty". He was trying to rebel against you but My intelligence agencies brought forward evidence showing his hanus crimes and why he neede liberty.

Basically, Yeah, he cant have nukes.

Yeah exactly, I have liberated from you all, and secret information has bought to know what Borman and Generic Empire want to annex me. And no it wasn't '10 posts later he needed 4 trillion yen' you dumbass.

NoTiCe - I don't post much in 'Chinese Exclusion Act' because I liberated and plus, I don't feel like posting I liberated cause there'll be this whole conflict again, which I don't want.

OOC: Dont you know what sarcasm is?

You cant liberate or be liberated iwthout the other party replying. And you would have to site where teh money came from. Otherwise I could say "Hey, guess what. Some guy came to our capitol and gave us 10 trillion dollars. He then said every year after he would wire us 1 trillion dollars."

No I'm not a dumbass. I would insult you so much that you would cry, but thats called flaming, and I dont want to get on the bad side of the mods.

and secret information has bought to know what Borman and Generic Empire want to annex me

What?!? I can't understand that. To the best of my knowledge you were trying to say you bought information that informed you that Generic Empire and I want to annex you. If so, there is no such kind of information as that. It there was, it would be called, opinion trading. That is not a fact but an opinion of you and "whoever(Your own ficticious supplier)" is helping you.

OCC - Yeah right you can insult me as much until I cry. You need a reality check.

Ahem, fictious? Do you think everything you assume is correct? Again, reality check.

Yes, information was given through telegrams. Yes, telegrams.

Yes, information was given through telegrams. Yes, telegrams.

OOC: I doubt it 100%. You probaqbly wont listen to me, but that person is lying. I dont want to annex you, as you already have been. I have not expressed a want to annex you to anyone in NS or RL. SO either you are making this up lie I think or someone is lying to you and trying to get one of us destroyed. If I wanted to annex you I would. If i wanted to I would send over 10,000,000 to your shores. But you dodnt see me.

Yeah right you can insult me as much until I cry. You need a reality check.

Yes, I can. I have done it before and would if it weren't for something called flaming.

Ahem, fictious? Do you think everything you assume is correct? Again, reality check.

No I dont, but I am rarely wrong. I assume and believe you made up a person. What is to stop you from saying, "I recieved funding from another nation. This nation also sent me a TG telling me Borman wants to invade." Nothing, except for the latter is in no way possible and clearly shows that you are involved with some ficticious things.

And no I don't need a reality check, but thanks for the offer.

OOC:
You are not liberated. Where are the posts stating that your secret ally drove coalition troops out of Japan? When did we RP this? For a start, please let us know who it is in an OOC context.

It is very godmoddish to suggest that our troops have suddenly vanished from Japan.

OOC: THat is what I have been saying. I think he made it all up.

OOC: It may be time for a blanket ignore soon.

"Sir! Looks like them Japs are up to no good again!" The young Lt. passed a dossier to his superior.

"At ease, soldier. I'll pass this information on to the General."

Is there anyway for my government to purchase some sort of war bond with a decent premium to help invest in this huge undertaking?

OOC: I am new to this, so let me know if there are any formalities I must follow.

I guess that the UK, France, Pakistan and Israel are all godmodders then?
ALL OOC POST:
And the argument is shut down.

The idea is that people don't start throwing around dirty bombs after three days with an Imploded economy and 7 million people. However, I wouldn't put a monetary limit (look at N. Korea) or population limit (Israel) on it. I put more of a time limit- from when you decide you are starting to when you decide that you are finishing.

And then you have to develop remote delvery.

OOC: Maybe I should just join my friend _Taiwan here and ignore this godmoding bugger. All that ever comes from TJP is crap!

The Japanese People ask Avu-Aka-Oivi if this is their nation, if it isn't, they have NO right to condemn our actions, if it is, then they are 100% free to do so, but this nation isn't theirs therefore we will not listen to you.

You are 100% correct. However, I think every nation has a right to excercise its free speech (unless of course it is banned).


"Avu, Kak Avo"

Aoza-Avu
Leader of the Prime City-State
Representative for the Nona-Aoza of City-States
Avu-Akar Oivi

OOC: Maybe I should just join my friend _Taiwan here and ignore this godmoding bugger. All that ever comes from TJP is crap!

Ugh, here comes the damn chinkies.

READ, READ, READ you stupid retard.

I have liberated from you chinkies by the help of like 10 nations, I didn't post it in the Exclusion Act because I don't want more conflict with the overcrowded chinks.

Ugh, here comes the damn chinkies.

READ, READ, READ you stupid retard.

I have liberated from you chinkies by the help of like 10 nations, I didn't post it in the Exclusion Act because I don't want more conflict with the overcrowded chinks.

[OOC]: Oh joy, Racist AND a Flamer. Lovely combination. (Please note, he was quoting an OOC post, so the above from him is also OOC)

[OOC]: Therein lies one of the problems. At a size of 100 million or so, it's assumed that your economy is sufficiently large and stable to allow for the buying of said missle tech and the development of ICBM's, whilst still supplying a cash flow to all other areas of the country. Anything below 100 Million is assumed to simply be too small (And thus poor) to be able to also have the ability to build and maintain such large and powerful weapons, even once they are created.

OOC: North Korea's only got a population of 22,697,553 per CIA world factbook, and the news recently had them with a missile capable of reaching the west coast of america. If you're 100 million population were even remotely accurate, why would the US be so worried about them? Besides, anything can happen with the right combination of leader/dictator, education, spies, allies, and so on.

OOC: Sources:
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/11/wkor11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/11/ixworld.html

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/kn.html

Ok TJP, seeing as you seem to prefer RPing with telegram instead of forums and have not even bothered to RP the rebellion against us, you are now ignored.

OOC: 'Nukes' ruin the roleplaying aspect of the game. My advice to you would be to scrap the program as I did. I don't play nuclear, there's nothing to RP about. Whoosh and bang, Nation gone. Where's the fun in that?

Ugh, here comes the damn chinkies.

READ, READ, READ you stupid retard.

I have liberated from you chinkies by the help of like 10 nations, I didn't post it in the Exclusion Act because I don't want more conflict with the overcrowded chinks.

Warned for flaming. Do it again, and you'll either be forum banned or deleted.

- The Most Glorious Hack
NationStates Game Moderator

Thank you The Most Glorious Hack

And no, Japanese people you were never liberated. I can pull a link if you would like me too. You asked for 5 trillion yen and soldiers. About 5-7 nations gave you money, one gave you a small force of soldiers. A couple posts later you are free, you have a booming economy, adn a booming military. NOT POSSIBLE. You at least need the participation of the people occupying you, AND the person aiding you has to say so in the forum.

Matsu Dome
Under the waters off Hokkaido

The docking area was filled to capacity taht day, which was a rare thing; the only other time this had happened was during the war with Japann previously (the nation was spelled Japann, so i didnt spell it wrong).

In the massive docking area, nearly thirty submarines were docked. All of them were assigned to the Islandian Undersea Warfare Force's Red Group command, which patrolled the Northern Pacific.

Commander Nkan watched as crews in temperature suits loaded torpedoes, missiles, and depth charges into the weapons areas of the submarines. Nearby, others worked on the submarine's countermeasures arrays, which were used, with great success, in hiding submarines and rendering them as large marine animals instead of large, cigar-shaped killing machines.

Nkan, the commander of Matsu Dome, had received orders from Red Group headquarters (in PRC China) several days ago to send out submarines to poke around.

As if I hadnt been doing that, he thought. He shrugged, and tapped at the screens.

Three submarines, all of them attack craft, were due to leave for patrol in twenty minutes. The trio were to monitor traffic, and set up sensors on the sea floor.

Nkan sighed, and leaned back. If war ever came, Matsu Dome would be the first to take the brunt of the enemy attack. After all, who could ignore a large, several kilometer wide underwater base, loaded with nearly thirty hostile submarines?

Thank goodness the Japanese didnt know, Nkan thought.

Or did they?

The most glorious hack, I just remembered something. Japanese people has already been warned about flaming. If the thread wasn't deleted I can pull it up if you want.

Well look, sorry for the flaming, it just gets me mad when people can't read.

Borman, sooner or later I would have been liberated, no?

So why can't I be liberated sooner?

And what does this situation have to do with you by the way?

I dont know why I am so interested, the only thing I can think of is becuase you supported Angelic Freedom.

And actually you may have never been liberated, so no.

And if you were to be liberated you should make a thread for it.