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The United Medical Conference will be held in an undisclosed location in Southern Euroslavia, the only place in Euroslavia that isn't embroiled in the Communist conflict. Security is unimaginably tight, so there are no worries of an attack of any sort.

OOC: There will be no attacks by anyone. It won't be accepted.

We invite every member of the United Medical Alliance, including Drum Gods, to send a delegate to Chase, Euroslavia, a small town in Southern Euroslavia to discuss the formalities of the Alliance.

.::BUMP::.

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Concerning the UMA

Although my country would like to send a representative to attend, we fear situations out of our control prevent us from coming. We regret this much.

From the Office of the Chancellor

Concerning the UMA

Although my country would like to send a representative to attend, we fear situations out of our control prevent us from coming. We regret this much.

From the Office of the Chancellor


Maybe then, I should host this conference in a neutral 3rd Party. Any nation wishing to host the Conference (Besides DG) can step up.

Response to Euroslavia

Oh, this is not problems from withing your country, rather our own. Sorry for the confusion.

From the Office of the Chancellor

OOC: We have a terrorist problem, and our confrentation with the Nazi's is escalating.

Sarzonia fully appreciates the need for maximum security; in fact, we are also in a state of heightened alert due to current escalating tensions with Sdaeriji. We are able to send Vice President for Health and Athletics Jimmy Marshall to serve as our delegate.

Mark Lorber
Senior Vice President for External Affairs
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

To:The Nation of Euroslavia
From:Emperor Takenski
"Our nation will be sending the Secretary of Public Health James Winthrow, along with several of his advisers. We are sure he will be a very able speaker at this conference. We also must thank for the tightened security measures. If there is any need of assistance in that matter we can most definetly assist."

Official Communiqué

We believe that the UMA conference's location matters not, as we feel Euroslavia can fully provide all security needed. As such, the Granzian delegation will compose of a diplomatic team co-led by Deputy Foreign Minister Samantha Breckenridge and Health and Human Services Minister Joan Speal. I, unfortunately, will be unable to attend due to pressing concerns here in Granzi. However, we hope the conference can lay the foundation for a new era in the field of humanities.

Regards,

Nathanial Sun
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Official Communiqué

We believe that the UMA conference's location matters not, as we feel Euroslavia can fully provide all security needed. As such, the Granzian delegation will compose of a diplomatic team co-led by Deputy Foreign Minister Samantha Breckenridge and Health and Human Services Minister Joan Speal. I, unfortunately, will be unable to attend due to pressing concerns here in Granzi. However, we hope the conference can lay the foundation for a new era in the field of humanities.

Regards,

Nathanial Sun
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Euroslavia thanks its close friend Granzi, in its great trust of our capabilities in handling the matter of security. We promise that no one will be harmed, as the battle is raging on in the North.

Vastiva will be sending Dr Patricia Weyker of the Vastivan Public Health Agency.

Due to current political and security concerns, it may become necessary for our primary delegate to this conference to be changed midway through talks. As this relates to internal security matters of the Grand Duchy, we cannot elaborate.

Primary Delegate: Sir Leonard Berkstein, KCHE, Minister of Health and Domestic Security
Secondary Delegate: Lieutenant Admiral Joyce Pintaro, Director, Royal Armed Forces Medical Corps

Dr. Grid Vincent is an internationally renowned and one of the Empire's finest ENT Surgeons. He is also the president of the Imperial Drum Gods Medical Association (IDGMA). The founder of 13 of the 46 medical schools across the Empire. He is as well placed as any to comment on the matters that will be raised by the UMA. He has just recently been appointed the chairman of the Ministry for Health and Scientific Advancement of the Empire.
He is to arrive in Chase, Euroslavia imminently via helicopter.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
A January 2003 Nation

The Nation of 0Tom has been using covert operations for the last month to etermine the state of sucruity in many nations unfotualy we do believe it to be unsafe in Euroslavia. We therefore request to either of the following options.

1)The Nation of 0Tom is allowed to send number of its troops to the region also we wish to the location if at all possible be moved to a seaside location so our navy can provide a full backup support and also ship out any delegates that need to.
2)Another Nation is asked to host this conference who is not in any dispute civil or international
3)A video link is set up for our delegates to attend and discuss matters

We strongly wish to go with options 1 or 2 and we would be able to host this conference.

No Hard Feelings Euroslavia its just with The Comunisim thing and also other matters We would be willing to help out if euroslavia wishes to.

OOC:*tag* i've not been able to get to my coumputer since saturday and won't be able to till wendsday and right now i'm in a hurry.

In a show of trust, The Grand Duke of Olwe is willing to attend the conference himself, no matter where it is hosted. He will, however, be accompanied by his chief scientific advisor, Lord Qlaern Hirf, who is a member of the Vratix species. So, if anyone is offended or frightened by talking insects, please let me know so I can come up with a suitable replacement.

Grand Duke Piñata

Talking insects? Are you serious?

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to METUS
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

Your Excellency,

I will be honoured to attend this conference along with the Minister of State for International Development, Alexander Beckwith. We look forward to meeting with our fellow members of this esteemed alliance. Neither I nor Mr Beckwith have any concerns for our safety at the conference.

Sincerely,

The Rt. Hon. Marie Danton-Pasquale, MP, CS, PC
Minister for Health and Social Affairs
Alexander Beckwith, MP
Minister of State for International Development, MFAID
UKIN

The Nation of 0Tom has been using covert operations for the last month to etermine the state of sucruity in many nations unfotualy we do believe it to be unsafe in Euroslavia. We therefore request to either of the following options.

1)The Nation of 0Tom is allowed to send number of its troops to the region also we wish to the location if at all possible be moved to a seaside location so our navy can provide a full backup support and also ship out any delegates that need to.
2)Another Nation is asked to host this conference who is not in any dispute civil or international
3)A video link is set up for our delegates to attend and discuss matters

We strongly wish to go with options 1 or 2 and we would be able to host this conference.

No Hard Feelings Euroslavia its just with The Comunisim thing and also other matters We would be willing to help out if euroslavia wishes to.


Other nations seem to believe me when I say that security will be tight, and nothing will happen. It is unfortunate that you believe so... but we are willing to grant you your 3rd request. You will be informed when the video link will be set up.

When will the actual conference commence?

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
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Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

OOC: Well, my computer is permanently broken right now, so the only chance I get to go online is when I'm at school. Hopefully, everyones' diplomats will be here by the time tomorrow comes around, so I can continue it. I won't be online on the weekends either, unless a freak of nature occurs and my computer is healed by magic pixies..... :gundge:

Since most nations are going we do see fit to come We wil be bringing 50 Personal Body Guards pler delaate and will be coming by one of our warships.(Please have an area big enought for us to dock). In light of rcent evnts I am proving that The Nation of 0Tom will not corow to the Terrorists.

I will also be personally attending and so will the following people from our nation.

1)Tom Keo-Minister Of Health
2)Prof John Mccormick- Leading Health expert
3)Dr Bridget Hendasy- Leading Sexaul Desieses expert
4)Jamie Revall- Minister of Diplomatic Negotiations
5)Sir Geof Hoon-Minister Of Defence

50 guards will not be allowed. That is way too much. The maximum amount of guards that will be accepted is 20.

We do not see why you require so many delegates.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Member of GDODAD, Allied to Metus
Member of the Central Powers
A January 2003 Nation

OOC: Well, my computer is permanently broken right now, so the only chance I get to go online is when I'm at school. Hopefully, everyones' diplomats will be here by the time tomorrow comes around, so I can continue it. I won't be online on the weekends either, unless a freak of nature occurs and my computer is healed by magic pixies..... :gundge:

OOC: Ouch. Consider the Granzian delegation arrived, and waiting for the conference to begin.

Fine we wil; keep 30 of our guards on board our warship since our ship has alreadyleft We are sending lots of delegates toe nsure our voice is heard also we believe that these delegates can offer great opinions?

ETA-At Euroslavia Dock: 5 Hours

Please note we have our Airforce ready incas eof an attack

Minister Riviera finished the file he was working on, saved it, and shut off his laptop. He reached into his coat pocket, pulled out a notepad and pen, and scratched off a few markings on the first page, before returning the pad to his pocket. Noticing a coast line out of the right side window of the jet, he Grabbed his glass of orange juice and slid from behind the table. He stepped over to the right side of the aircraft and took a seat. He watched the waves break on the beach in the distance until his aide, Richard Sakai spoke up.

"Is this your first time in Euroslavia, sir?"

Minister Riviera looked down the cabin to the opposing seat where Richard sat. "Yeah, I've never been here before. How about you, Richie?"

"No sir, It's my first time as well."

Nick Riviera looked down at his glass and gave it a few swirls before finishing it off. "Well, It's too bad our first times here have to be during a war," The Minister observed with a chuckle.

A few moments later, a voice came over the intercom. "This is the pilot speaking. If you would fasten your seatbelts now, we will be landing shortly. Thank you."

(OOC) Those going into Euroslavia: the Minister, his aide, the pilot, and co-pilot.

Talking insects? Are you serious?

Yes, but I assure you he's the best scientist in all of Olwe.

The arrival of the delegation from Olwe will now commence. :)

Grand Duke Piñata sat comfortably aboard the small civilian yacht he had purchased for the trip to Euroslavia. He was not nervous about being attacked, and in fact was bringing no guards with him, although he did carry a sword that was largely ceremonial and hadn't actually been used in years. The distinctive weapon was adorned on both hilt and scabbard with an ornate bronze heron.

Piñata's chief scientific advisor, Lord Qlaern Hirf, sat nervously nearby in a custom-made chair that could accomodate his species' unique six-limbed body design. When standing on his strange, backward-bending hind legs, he was nearly ten feet tall, but actually weighed slightly less than the average human. His height made air travel impossible, so the two-person delegation had to arrive by ship.

Each member of the delegation was lost in their own thoughts, looking forward to the conference. When the captain announced that they were ready to dock, they both stood up and came forward to disembark. Since he was unfamiliar with Euroslavian customs, Piñata was not sure what sort of welcome to expect, and was even less sure how the Vratix accompanying him would be received.

OOC: Insects will be accepted. :p

OOC: For everyone sending delegates to the conference, feel free to RP as my customs officers however you'd like. I don't mean to be...inattentive, but its going to be really hard for me to check this thread for a week or so, til I get my computer fixed.

ooc: Is it at all possible to send a delegate? I must confess I had not heard of this alliance but it sounds most excellent.

ooc: Is it at all possible to send a delegate? I must confess I had not heard of this alliance but it sounds most excellent.

Feel free!

Tania Ormov, the most senior diplomat on the Momanguise senior consul touched down in her trademark disarmed MiG-21. With her was Professor Diliania, Momanguise's leading medical expert and one of the best cancer surgeons in the world.

They were completely unarmed, and as they strode down the walk to customs, Tania thourght to herself, what a very fine country this was.

Primeminister Thomas Hickey was talking to his bodayguards when the tanoy system come on it was the captain of The 0Tom's flagship The HMS Infalible

Captain:We are not docking at euroslavias main port Please go to The Exit door

The Primeminister and the other delegates walked to the door along with The Bodayguards

Primeminister: Ok First Group come with me

They got off there was greated by Euroslavias Foreign Ambbasidor

Samotopia will be sending Allison Sharpy, head of Envirmental (sp) care and head of Medical Department.

OOC: sorry it took so long to post but like i said before i've been busy.

Vastiva will be sending Dr Patricia Weyker of the Vastivan Public Health Agency.

And so, she arrives. No entourage, coach class, carrying her own luggage of one suitcase and one garment bag.

Very practical, this one. Very direct. And punctual.

The Euroslavian Foreign Ambasador took the The Primeminister and the other delegates along with The Body Guards to The Customs Offices

FA: We welcome you Primeminister and Your delgates to our freinly nation
PM: Yes we most pleased to be here considring there were some other matters
FA: Yes well there were out of our control. There some of us in this country who want democrecy

They began the serch
PM: Mind the suit young man

Suddenly a Customs oficer come up to The Foreign Ambasador

CO: Sir we have a promblem One of the guards had a few KG of Weed on Him
FA: Ok let me deal with this
PM: Is there a problem
FA: Yes it apears one of your Guards is smugling
PM: Oh that No Weed is complealy legal in Countrie he was carying all of our supply

OOC: Computer should be fixed tonight. Sorry for the long delay...

OOC: I look forward to it....

OOC: We'll just assume that all the delegates are here already, when I'm able to make an IC post, even if someone didn't RP it yet.

OoC: Will start the confrence and have an order in whcih each nation makes a speach or something How we going to work it

The Conference will be starting today...well, right now.

Perhaps you need to kick start this, Euro

"Delegates of the United Medical Alliance, I welcome you to the newly formed Communist Euroslavia. I surely hope that our regime change will have nothing to do with this Alliance, as we still have the same amount of interest in saving the lives of people lacking medical attention. I'm glad you all could come today. Here, we will discuss the goals, short-term and long-term, of this Alliance, all-together. There are a few topics I must point out first, for debate. First, the question of whether Drum Gods should be allowed to become a member, and secondly, if we should maintain a UMA military to protect our medical personnel."

[thirdly (An OOC question), if we should have a separate forum for this alliance.]


"I would like each delegate to introduce themselves, where they are from, what position in the government they hold, what they believe that their nation can contribute to the alliance, and what the overall goals of the UMA should be."

Dr.Vincent cleared his throat and stood up from his seat. He was a tall, athletic man with a shaved head and goatee. He definitely looked like he had served some time in the armed forces but seemed to have a compassionate streak in him:

"I am Dr.Vincent a leading, internationally recognised ENT Surgeon. I am the President of the Imperial Drum Gods Medical Association, IDGMA for short, and am the newly appointed Minister of Health and Medical Research."

He paused for a second and took a sip from his glass of orange juice before continuing:

"Drum Gods as you all know is an affluent nation powered by its military and corporate might. To that end billions are invested in our medical industries every year. Furthermore, medicine and medically related subjects are the second most popular degrees at university in the Empire following military studies. We have over 52 medical schools throughout the Empire and strive excel in medicine and its advancement."

He paused once more:

"We believe that with our vast finances we can help to fund the numerous medical programs that this alliance may undertake to benefit others both in research and actual missions to provide for nations that are need of our assistance. We can provide the alliance with leading scientists and doctors as well as leading facilities. We may also provide any protection to any medical personnel that should need it in areas of high risk."

As he concluded he smiled and nodded to the other delegates and sat down.

OOC: I'm a medical student and that's another reason why I am interested in this alliance and think I can RP some good stuff.

Dr. Berkstein stood up and began to adress the gathering--

"On behalf of His Royal Highness, Grand Duke Reginald Leopold I, and of the Government of Hamptonshire I relay the hopes of all Hamptonian People that the UMA will become a shining example to the world that only through cooperation can the human condition be raised."

"I am Sir Leonard Berkstein, M.D, KCHE. I have been Health and Domestic Security Minister for nearly a decade. To my right is Lieutenant Admiral Joyce Pintaro. As Director of the Royal Armed Forces Medical Corps (RAFMC), she is responsible for all military medical personnel and for the health and well being of 14 million soldiers and their families."

"The Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire, as a nation with a proven background in humanitarian efforts, will provide the UMA with the money needed to backroll the programs that need to be done. Our vast industrial capacity will be harnassed, yet again and hopefully permanently, for the good of all mankind. In this you have the pledge of the People and Government of Hamptonshire."

Lt. Admiral Pintaro then stood up to give her comments, "This alliance must remain solely medical in nature. There shouldn't be a miltiary arm of this alliance, per se, but we should be able to train, or retrain, policemen and women to protect UMA Personnel in hostile and dangerous areas.

Furthermore, it is the position of the Government of Hamptonshire that Drum Gods has not provided to be a force in the world for humanitarianism. We stand firmly against their bid to join the UMA."


[OOC: A special forum would be best. Drum Gods, I think as a med student you would be good in the UMA, but as you've been RPing you nation I have to stand against your bid to join.]

Marshall stood up nervously. He'd been practicing suppressing his Southern accent for weeks and thought he had an unaccented speech down cold. However, his hopes were dashed with the first words out of his mouth.

"Good afternoon, y'all."

God damn it, he thought for a second after those words came out of his mouth. Don't make yourself look like an idiot.

"My name is Jimmy Marshall and I'm the Vice President for Health and Athletics in the Incorporated States of Sarzonia. Our Wilmington Shipyard Corporation created the Pasteur-class hospital ships that are one of the most advanced hospital ships in the world today. Even though that company has since been bought out by the Portland Iron Works, the class still exists today. The Portland Iron Works has also created a unique class of vessel, the light medical vessel intended for littoral waters and for areas where a ship with the draught of a Pasteur could not access.

"We believe that our ingenuity as it pertains to both medical and scientific research make us an ideal candidate to join this alliance. As for Drum_Gods," Marshall said, fixing a scowl on Dr. Vincent, "we believe that country has proven to be too much of a menace to the world and to our allies to justify their inclusion in this alliance.

"I personally am in favor of having at least a self-defense portion of the UMA that protects the ships from attack, since there have been countries that will attack a ship on a medical mission of mercy. In fact, one of the customers at the Wilmington Shipyard Corporation special ordered a Pasteur-class hospital ship armed with twin turrets of 15" guns because another country attacked its hospital ships. However, we believe that question is one that is best left answered by the rest of the membership."

[OOC: I'd also go for a specially dedicated forum. I agree with Hamptonshire's OOC opinion about Drum_Gods admission into the UMA. You'd be great for OOC knowledge, but IC, your warlike nature makes you a bad fit.]

As Marshall ended his speech Dr.Vincent quickly stood up:

"I wish to enquire as whether I will be given the opportunity to defend the Empire in its application for entry into this alliance at some point?"

As the Imperial Germany Airbus A380 appoarched Euroslavian airpace:

"Chase tower, Lufthansa One is type Airbus A380, Thrity Miles North, Flight Level One-Six, requesting ILS landing clearence."

"Lufthansa One, Chase tower, roger. Cleared ILS, runway Zero-One. Maintain runway heading, decend and maintain six-thousand until established on the localizer."

The plane touched down roughly, turned and stoped at the next taxiway. After requesting taxi-to-parking clearence, the plane stoped and the delegate from Imperial Germany walked out and into a limo that was pulled out of the back of the plane. He was Adolf Gorreing, Chief Officer of Forgien Affairs, and he was tired from the Corey Land conference.

As Marshall ended his speech Dr.Vincent quickly stood up:

"I wish to enquire as whether I will be given the opportunity to defend the Empire in its application for entry into this alliance at some point?"

Dr Patricia Weyker of the Vastivan Public Health Agency looks coldly at the "doctor".

"You and yours have as much right to a meeting concerning public health as a rapist does at a sexual assault crisis center. You and your kind are a blight on the face of the planet. You cause pain, you cause anguish, you cause war, you cause the very things this conference and this alliance are set to combat. One does not invite vermin to sit in on a conference on clean water and clean food. That you are at all here is due only to the perceptions of the one who called this conference, that you might in some way have some heart or soul about you.

"Vastiva does not share that perception. You and yours are vile in your bureaucratic attempts to commit war, you and yours are vile in your statements that you seek to preserve life when your actions show your words for the lies they are. You and yours are what is wrong with the planet -you are a lying piece of fecal matter without a single solitary 'good' characteristic. And no amount of further lies will change that one iota. A statement here of how much you 'care' will not change that your nations planes fly over the Middle East in an attempt to provoke a war. A statement here will not change that your nation has made clear its want to take over a good part of the known world - more war! Have not we seen enough war to suit you? Has not enough blood been spilt because of warmongers and their ways?"

She takes a deep breath, steadying herself.

"You and yours, sir, are the disease, not the cure. It would be a far better thing for you now to cut your own black heart out then to continue to afflict us with your presence. To say you are in keeping with the Hippocratic Oath is to make a mockery of what 'MD' stands for.

"As such, Vastiva states its complete bias against this piece of human filth, and the oubliette it sprung from, now and forever."

The doctor calmly replied:

"First of all my degree is not an MD. It is an MBBS which is a British Medical degree. To this I also have a Bsc research degree and an MD which is a British clinical research degree. Furthermore, I have an FRCS which is my specialisation degree from the Royal College of Surgeons. I am therefore more than qualified to be where I stand today and have more experience than most in my field and medicine generally."

"Do not insult me. Do not confuse me with the military. If you had any respect for yourself then you would show me the courtesy that each and every politician show each other. You should attempt to represent the honour and decency which you choose to stand for through your actions. To this extent you have failed."

The doctor took a sip from his orange juice.

OOC: oh crap i forgot to post my delegate arriving. would anyone have a problem if i just RP as if she were already there?

OOC: No problem.

The UKIN Minister for Health and Social Affairs, Marie Danton-Pasquale, rose from her chair looking tired from the short flight and the seemingly interminable briefing she had received from the Minister of State.

"Good afternoon, fellow delegates, and representatives from the Drum Gods," Ms. Danton-Pasquale began. "I am Marie Danton-Pasquale, the Minister for Health and Social Affairs of His Isselmerian and Nielander Majesty's Government, and a Fellow of the Isselmere-Nieland Royal Academy of Surgeons [INRAS]." She paused a moment to sip on some coffee. "I hope that the presence of Dr. Vincent serves as an indicator of a change in the Drum Gods foreign policy. If not, it might be that he will simply serve to sow discord amongst the members of this alliance.

"I suggest we permit Dr. Vincent to remain at this conference in good behaviour as an observer and not as an official participant." While not wanting to cause problems amongst the UKIN's allies, she dearly wanted to avoid any further bickering that might worsen her building headache, even after the double dose of paracetamol.

OOC: oh crap i forgot to post my delegate arriving. would anyone have a problem if i just RP as if she were already there?


As I mentioned earlier, anyone who hasn't been able to RP their delegate can already assume that they are there.

Lieutenant Admiral Pintaro took the opportunity to personally address the delegate from Drum Gods. She was slightly nervous and hesitent, but she knew that Sir Leonard could not approach this topic from the same angle she could.

"Do not assume more than you can prove, good doctor." she said as she stepped forward.

"Just because you personally have an admittedly impressive set of degrees doesn't mean that the entire medical establishment of Drum Gods is up to the same 'vigorous' standards. The Grand Duke could have sent a professor or the Chancellor of the Royal Medical Institute to this meeting, but he chose to send diplomatically trained medical personnel.

Whatever respect I, and my fellow delegates, may have for you personally does not extend to the Government of Drum Gods. You are certainly not from the military, but you are most definetly a representative of the Government and People of your nation. For better or for worse your nation has participated in dubious actions. The Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire is firmly against Drum God's acceptance into the UMA."

Dr.Vincent grimaced:

"The standards in our medical institutions are all equally high considering they are monitored by an independent commission. However, despite what we can provide and what we stand for in respect to medicine you seem to be always refering back to the irrelevant nature of our military."

Danton-Pasquale rose once more, wincing from the still throbbing headache. "Dr Vincent, as was indicated, the members of the alliance do not doubt your qualifications," she stated. "Instead, our concerns are that your government would use any information gathered within the discussions of this body to its own ends rather than serve the best interests of the world at large. Who can say you would not transmit to the Drum God government information on the ability of our nations to cope with major epidemics to the benefit of dangerous elements." She glared at Vincent unintentionally as a fresh spike of pain wound its way from her forehead to the base of her skull. "Our concerns are entirely legitimate and needn't be downplayed simply because you have an entire alphabet at the end of your name."

Though she was certain Sir George and the Prime Minister would chastise her once her last words found their way to the capital, she did not care. That could wait until the next pair of paracetamol started to work.

Dr.Vincent grimaced:

"The standards in our medical institutions are all equally high considering they are monitored by an independent commission. However, despite what we can provide and what we stand for in respect to medicine you seem to be always refering back to the irrelevant nature of our military."

Dr Vickers hadn't backed down a whit.

"You stand for the creation of more wounded. You stand for the use of biological and chemical weapons. Neither of these show the least ability to perform the acts involved in medication.

"Your nations military is and will continue to be the cause of much suffering. It is doubtful you will ever come to understand that all mirrors upon itself - an imperialistic state breeds imperialistic people. Your ego alone proves that."

She waved off his response.

"And do spare us the theatrics of your assumption that you have the barest hint of authority here. Your ability to bluster is meaningless. Your nation has never demonstrated a single act of humanitarianism where its own gain was not on the other end of things. As such, any who calls themselves 'doctor' from your nation is no better then a leper at a ob-gyn clinic."

The doctor burst out laughing:

"I am surprised a cretin like yourself has any knowledge of obstetrics and gynaecology. However, just so you know the Imperial Government funded the development of Positron Emitting Tomography and it is these PET Scanners that are used in hospitals throughout the world today. We are the nation that has pioneered the development of Nuclear Medicine having worked in unison with Philips and Siemens to develop CT and MRI scanners that can take over a hundred slice images every second without the need for injecting a dye into the patient."

He paused briefly:

"We are the nation that has invested in the development of an antibiotic to work against Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus. One that works against glycocalyx resembling material around an MRSA cell that would then cause it to collapse. "

He took a sip from his orange juice once more before booming out loud:

"We are the nation that has pioneered the hygiene standards in hospitals that have minimised the spread of MRSA itself in hospitals through hand, air and cloth scanners. Furthermore, we are leading programs to once again integrate anatomy both of cadavers and the use of prosthetics when training students so that they are as confident as possible when they graduate as House Officers. Currently, we are leading research into the addition of organic limbs from one person to the next."

Dr.Vincent gave some documents to an aide who handed them to each delegate:

"What I have explained is a brief example of what we have done. These documents will cover the precise details."

He sat down.

The Primeminister of 0Tom Stood up

"We have decied to acept Drum Gods into the UMA we petition for a vote to allow Drum Gods in. We also believe that the UMA should have some sort of Military Defence but we should discuss this at another conference. We think that our goals for the long time would be to cure HIV/Aids. Research cancer to the possibilty of a cure. Our short term goals should be to cure acne, the common cold more effective treaments for things we already have. And thourgher report on Autism"

The crowd clapped

The Primeminister sat down

The doctor burst out laughing:

"I am surprised a cretin like yourself has any knowledge of obstetrics and gynaecology. However, just so you know the Imperial Government funded the development of Positron Emitting Tomography and it is these PET Scanners that are used in hospitals throughout the world today. We are the nation that has pioneered the development of Nuclear Medicine having worked in unison with Philips and Siemens to develop CT and MRI scanners that can take over a hundred slice images every second without the need for injecting a dye into the patient."

He paused briefly:

"We are the nation that has invested in the development of an antibiotic to work against Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus. One that works against glycocalyx resembling material around an MRSA cell that would then cause it to collapse. "

He took a sip from his orange juice once more before booming out loud:

"We are the nation that has pioneered the hygiene standards in hospitals that have minimised the spread of MRSA itself in hospitals through hand, air and cloth scanners. Furthermore, we are leading programs to once again integrate anatomy both of cadavers and the use of prosthetics when training students so that they are as confident as possible when they graduate as House Officers. Currently, we are leading research into the addition of organic limbs from one person to the next."

Dr.Vincent gave some documents to an aide who handed them to each delegate:

"What I have explained is a brief example of what we have done. These documents will cover the precise details."

He sat down.

"Continue lying, 'doctor'. It makes you look all the more an ass. Not one of your statements is true. And documents are simple to fake, as I am sure you and yours know. Far more undermining of your position is Vastiva's publishing industry. We know the truth - and you're not in it.

"As yet, you have proven less then nothing, save every member of your nation of fiends is an arrogant liar. But do continue, your pathetic attempts amuse. It is always a grand thing to see a chimp dance."


OOC: Claiming known technologies as yours is bad. If you wouldn't mind editing your post to include some technology which doesn't reflect the real world, this one can be changed. And you can influence your area - influencing the entire NS world is beyond any nation. Tone, please. Particularly if you're backing it up with documentation?

The crowd clapped.



There's a crowd?!?

OOC: he brought his own. ;)

Adolf Gorreing stood to speak, "Sorry that we are late, but it seems odd that a nation that "accidently" landed a cruise missile which caused a deadly outbreak in Camel Eaters should be admitted the United Medical Alliance. We do not know of any previous debate over this as we have just arrived."

Adolf Gorreing stood to speak, "Sorry that we are late, but it seems odd that a nation that "accidently" landed a cruise missile which caused a deadly outbreak in Camel Eaters should be admitted the United Medical Alliance. We do not know of any previous debate over this as we have just arrived."

Dr Vickers looks stunned.

"What? What happened?"

She then looks over at Dr Vincent. "You arrogant obsequeous assholes! This is just what I'm talking about! You and your nation... you... you!!!"

Her face deep red, she sits abruptly, seething, her ability to speak further temporarilly suspended.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365246

OOC: Well, yes. You see I (the player) know what happened. She (the character) has no idea - it was never released to Vastiva past the military, and Public Health is not part of the military.

Perhaps you might have your character in this say a few things about the events? Or just show a film or something?

Dr. Jamison Fox (obviously my rep) stood up in complete shock after hearing what Adolf had said.

"All the work that we've done to advance of medical aid to the entire world has ultimately been set back, more than it was put forward because of Drum Gods. (The "2 steps forward, 3 steps backward" approach.) How exactly does their doctor intend on getting their nation into this alliance when they've done things to disprove their dedication to the medical advancement of the world?"

So much was going through his head right now. All of the people who suffered at the hands of this cold-hearted nation. It was all too much for Dr Fox to handle. Instantly, he passed out cold, onto the floor.

"I deny the charges. Yes, a cruise missile was lost during a military test but there is no link between the missile and the viral outbreak that occurred in that area. It was merely coincidence and we are working to contain the outbreak in that part of Kashmir."

The doctor sighed thinking that this was all pointless. He would be better off working independently to further advance medicine. He had all the funding he could ever want and was working with some of the most capable minds in the known world. Any notion that he could help anyone beyond the Empire was disappearing rapidly.

He then glared at the Vastiva section of the conference:

"If you can prove that al our claims are false please do. I would be glad to hear your lies so that everyone here can see you put your misconceptions ahead of our attempts to help others. Go ahead please. I want the medical industry which contains millions in Drum Gods to be told that all their research was a waste of time. Go ahead."

"I deny the charges. Yes, a cruise missile was lost during a military test but there is no link between the missile and the viral outbreak that occurred in that area. It was merely coincidence and we are working to contain the outbreak in that part of Kashmir."

The doctor sighed thinking that this was all pointless. He would be better off working independently to further advance medicine. He had all the funding he could ever want and was working with some of the most capable minds in the known world. Any notion that he could help anyone beyond the Empire was disappearing rapidly.

He then glared at the Vastiva section of the conference:

"If you can prove that al our claims are false please do. I would be glad to hear your lies so that everyone here can see you put your misconceptions ahead of our attempts to help others. Go ahead please. I want the medical industry which contains millions in Drum Gods to be told that all their research was a waste of time. Go ahead."


Admiral Pintaro took advantage of the situation, "Alright, tell them that all of their research has been a waste of time, effort, and resources. Tell them that as you leave this conference."

With a smug smile on her face she went in a bit further, "Good Doctor, don't let the door hit you on the way out."

"It seems that it would be a waste of time dealing with those without vision anyway. I have come here to provide support, not to make enemies alas my time has indeed been wasted and a time will come when you will see the mistake that you have made."

Dr.Vincent stood up.

"What could have been an alliance that curbed my nation's vicious tendencies and shifted investment away from our military has merely served to prove the Emperor's point that at the end of the day it is more important to look after ourselves than help anyone else. All those that have rejected have just opened Pandora's box. For every nation that you choose to help, for every group you provide medical aid to double that number will be crushed and wiped out. All because you rejected us."

Dr. Vincent picked up his briefcase.

"I am a compassionate man. I look out for others and that was what I wanted to do here and had been given the governments support to do so. Obviously, some of you cannot see this and so I hope the blood of the people that suffer in years to come stain your souls."

Dr.Vincent slowly prepared to leave.

"I am a compassionate man. I look out for others and that was what I wanted to do here and had been given the governments support to do so. Obviously, some of you cannot see this and so I hope the blood of the people that suffer in years to come stain your souls."

Dr.Vincent slowly prepared to leave.

With a broad smile the Admiral waves good bye to Dr. Vincent, "As the blood of those that suffer right now are on your souls."

The Health Minister had been keeping quiet since the conference began, observing the proceeding with keen interest. As tempers escalated, she saw the Drum Gods representative being cornered, verbally, of course. But I guess I'd better step in. This is a medicinal alliance... It was then that she saw Dr. Fox tumble from his seat and sprawl on the floor.

My Lord! What the hell just happened? The words screamed inside her mind. Joan speal lightly tapped her binder on the desk. "Excuse me, everyone. Will the delegates please calm down. We are here to promote the greater good, yet instead, here we are preoccupied with petty squabbling." She pointed to the inert form of Jamison. "Now, will someone take care of the good doctor while I alert the medical authorities? Thank you."


She picked up her cell phone and punched in the numbers for the in-building clinic.

"Well that's a relief," Marshall said as Dr. Vincent walked out of the conference.

He looked sympathetically at Danton-Pasquale and silently hit his pager for a Sarzonian nurse.

"I can have my nurse take care of you after we're done for the day," Marshall said.

Dr.Vincent smirked and sat down once more:

"I have had a change of heart. I will sit and I will observe and then I will laugh at how pitiful you truly are. I believe you won't be laughing for much longer. You seem all too aware of what my nation has done in the past but not aware of what we can still do."

Dr.Vincent pulled out his PDA and began keying in some sort of message which he quickly sent before looking up again but no longer merely as an educated man but as the man from Drum Gods the very man he had been portrayed to be by his delegates which he had become.

The doctor got up, after a while, still feeling quite dizzy.

He thanked the delegate from Granzi for calling in aide, but he had something he wanted to say.


"Sir, I believe that you don't understand what we are trying to say here. The simple fact that you have threatened war with many other nations, to take back what used to be yours, gives us a horrible impression on you. You're going about threatening to declare war, meaning you're willing to send your soldiers out to other places for no justifiable reason, and let them be killed. Also, you're even killing their soldiers, whom are only defending their territory, which they have every right to do."

"Also the simple fact that you just stated":

For every nation that you choose to help, for every group you provide medical aid to double that number will be crushed and wiped out. All because you rejected us."

"This shows that you medical aid was never really the #1 priority in mind. You're aggressiveness in killing twice as many innocent people proves that you really are a warmongerer, and that you will never have a part in this alliance. A true helpful nation, after being rejected from this alliance, would, if anything, go out and try to out-do us in aiding other nations. You've proven otherwise. Now leave."

"Well that's a relief," Marshall said as Dr. Vincent walked out of the conference.

He looked sympathetically at Danton-Pasquale and silently hit his pager for a Sarzonian nurse.

"I can have my nurse take care of you after we're done for the day," Marshall said.

He was preparing to leave. He never left.

The doctor got up, after realizing that he had fainted, and was shocked that no one took notice...but he regained his composure, and began to speak before Dr. Vincent left.

"Sir, I believe that you don't understand what we are trying to say here. The simple fact that you have threatened war with many other nations, to take back what used to be yours, gives us a horrible impression on you. You're going about threatening to declare war, meaning you're willing to send your soldiers out to other places for no justifiable reason, and let them be killed. Also, you're even killing their soldiers, whom are only defending their territory, which they have every right to do."

"Also the simple fact that you just stated":



"This shows that you medical aid was never really the #1 priority in mind. You're aggressiveness in killing twice as many innocent people proves that you really are a warmongerer, and that you will never have a part in this alliance. A true helpful nation, after being rejected from this alliance, would, if anything, go out and try to out-do us in aiding other nations. You've proven otherwise. Now leave."


"That will be the intention of the Emperor. I was leading the change in Imperial Politics."

"That will be the intention of the Emperor. I was leading the change in Imperial Politics."

"If you're leading the change I'd hate to see the 'Old Guard'."

Marshall looked gravely at Dr. Vincent. When he spoke, he finally uttered unaccented words for the first time in the conference.

"Your posturing in this conference does not impress anyone here," Marshall said, now turning his glance into a scowl. "If I were you, I'd be careful about writing more checks than your government can cash.

"Your recent statements nullify any attempt you may have made toward being less than a vile, aggressive people. Your government's actions reflect poorly upon the people of Drum_Gods and your own actions reflect poorly on your government and on your people.

"I'd like to remind you of something that many doctors the world over have to agree to, and that's called the Hippocratic Oath. Your statements make a complete mockery of that oath. I don't care if you have alphabet soup behind your name. You have no more right to be here than a convicted rapist has to run a clinic for victims of sexual abuse."

Marshall remained standing, fixing his scowl on the Drum_Gods delegate.

"The 'Old Guard' as you so eloquently put it is the government that you see today. I am here to prove to the Emperor that for once something apart from expansion can be satisfying and worthy of his attention. You are the one standing in the way of greater world peace by not giving me this opportunity."

He was preparing to leave. He never left.[OOC: We can ignore that statement for the time being then.]

OOC: Its Drum Gods not Drum_Gods and come on guys medical student here wanting to do a really good medical RP how often does that chance come about!

"The 'Old Guard' as you so eloquently put it is the government that you see today. I am here to prove to the Emperor that for once something apart from expansion can be satisfying and worthy of his attention. You are the one standing in the way of greater world peace by not giving me this opportunity."

"In order to be given the opportunity, you have to prove yourselves worthy. As of right now Drum Gods isn't worth a second spoonful of salt yet alone a second chance."

"Would someone call housekeeping? There appears to still be some trash in this room which needs removal."

[OOC: I'm going by the name I'd have to type to access your nation page since blank spaces don't work in URLs. It's sort of a marker if I need to access your nation page again in the future.

Believe me, I realize fully what good having a RL medical student in a medical alliance would be for the sake of more realistic RPs. If your country weren't a warlike country that threatened to take territory from other countries, you'd probably be a shoo in. My objection to your being in the UMA is solely based on IC reasons. OOC, I would be happy to consult with you on medical issues.]

"Would someone call housekeeping? There appears to still be some trash in this room which needs removal."


"Are you sure you have been educated? Education normally comes hand in hand with manners. Something you seem to be severely lacking."

"Alright everyone. There seems to be some conflict in this conference." Speal heard her aide chuckle quietly. "No, really?" Frederick muttered.

"Shut up, Fred. I'm trying to loosen these people up," the Health Minister whispered before turning back to the delegates. "I would like to keep this alliance as civil as possible, as I believe all of those assembled here today do. In that spirit, I would like to propose that we move from the issue of membership to a discussion of the UMA's ideals."

Joan fixed her stare on the Hamptonshire Admiral. "We will discuss the particulars of a member roster at a later time, when we fully understand the stance of prospective states."

Ms. Danton-Pasquale hammered her fists on the table, immediately wincing from the loud noise she had just created as well as the jarring it gave her nerves.

"First, Dr. Vincent," she started, "what sort of authority have you been given by your government to implement the changes you have stated could be placed in force were your government to be made a member of this alliance?" Cracking open a bottle of mineral water as she spoke, she glowered unintentionally across the table hoping that at best she looked bored. "Second, if your nation is so set upon this new course, we would like to see an immediate indication of change in policy, such as an official government release to that effect." Having a small drink from the bottle, she continued. "You've noted all the great things your nation has achieved, yet you've heretofore provided us with few reasons, if any, why you ought to be made part of this alliance. The UKIN government would be willing to grant the Drum Gods government limited observer status at this conference, but your threats -- and do not think they have not been noticed -- do little to improve the impression of your personal character, nevermind that of your government, before this body."

"Alright everyone. There seems to be some conflict in this conference." Speal heard her aide chuckle quietly. "No, really?" Frederick muttered.

"Shut up, Fred. I'm trying to loosen these people up," the Health Minister whispered before turning back to the delegates. "I would like to keep this alliance as civil as possible, as I believe all of those assembled here today do. In that spirit, I would like to propose that we move from the issue of membership to a discussion of the UMA's ideals."

Joan fixed her stare on the Hamptonshire Admiral. "We will discuss the particulars of a member roster at a later time, when we fully understand the stance of prospective states."

Dr Vickers shakes her head.

"As the nation which has sponsored both this meeting and this alliance has asked that to depart, and as long as it has made clear its intentions to make our lives as doctors all the more busy due to its immense ego suffering a righteous bruising from meeting the truth, there is no reason for it to remain. We have no use for it or its presence, and neither does this alliance, through the words of the founders nation's representative."

She looks at Joan. "One does not coddle evil, one does not protect disease. Those are the ways in Vastiva. Is your healthcare of a different path? Do you protect the gangrene, or save the patient?"

Dr.Vincent rolled his eyes:

"Do you insist on going towards of path of deluded self righteousness? Please! You are not some innocent angel of mercy to cast judgement upon me. We do not need your endless nonsensical barrage of confusion that spews forth from your lips. Enough! We are scientists, practitioners of medicine and you are nothing but a waste of space as you have proved by your comments and your actions. You are a shining example of how a doctor should not behave."

Dr.Vincent stared at the person who faced him:

"So Dr.Vickers your opinion means nothing to me. Manners are something I appreciate greatly something you seemingly lack. So much for bedside manner,"he laughed.

Minister Danton-Pasquale rises from her seat and leaves the chamber for the comfort of her hotel room, leaving the Minister of State in charge of discussions for His Majesty's Government.

Dr.Vincent rolled his eyes:

"Do you insist on going towards of path of deluded self righteousness? Please! You are not some innocent angel of mercy to cast judgement upon me. We do not need your endless nonsensical barrage of confusion that spews forth from your lips. Enough! We are scientists, practitioners of medicine and you are nothing but a waste of space as you have proved by your comments and your actions. You are a shining example of how a doctor should not behave."

Dr.Vincent stared at the person who faced him:

"So Dr.Vickers your opinion means nothing to me. Manners are something I appreciate greatly something you seemingly lack. So much for bedside manner,"he laughed.

Marshall remained standing and deliberately walked until he was directly in the eyesight of Dr. Vincent.

"I believe my President's response to your comments would be, 'pot, kettle, do the math.'

"You have been asked twice to leave this conference. You clearly are not welcomed here."

"You have not yet justified your views concerning how we would not benefit this alliance."

"You have not yet justified your views concerning how we would not benefit this alliance."

Admiral Pintaro quipped, "Perhaps you need to see a doctor because your hearing seems to be off."

"As the host of this Conference, I will hereby ask you to leave this place at once. You are no longer welcome here. I will have my guards escort you wherever you need to go. I surely hope that you re-think what has been said today, in light of your nations' hypocritical stand-point."

"We have no need to rethink anything. This was a conference concerning the benefits we could bring to this so called 'medical' alliance. As far as I've heard nothing has been mentioned of our capability to benefit this alliance in terms of medicine and its advancement. You have all gone off-topic."

Dr.Vincent sat in his seat staring aimlessly around the hall. He just could not see their point. He was here to represent Drum Gods in terms of medicine but everyone else just went on about war. It just didn't make sense.

Allison Sharpy had waited for someone to say this. She didn't want to bring it herself and look like an idiot. she gathered her thoughts and stood up.::

Allison: Dr. Vincent is correct. We are not here to judge a countries past Milatary actions. we're here to judge a countries Medical department. I'm not saying we should let him stay in this alliance, but if we could all just find a different reason to not let him stay that would be better. Besides Milatary and Medicine are two totaly different departments. One tries to kill an enemy , the other tries to heal. We don't know why Drum Gods took those milatary actions. We don't know if it was the same leader then as it is now. All i'm saying is we need a better reason to not let Drum Gods join this alliance.

::She sat down avoiding all eye contact , but for one second she looked at Dr. Vincent and gave a small smile.::

An ever so slight smile appeared on Dr.Vincents face. Finally, a light at the end of the tunnel! Someone was using common sense and just sticking to the matter at hand. He remained seated and waited.

An ever so slight smile appeared on Dr.Vincents face. Finally, a light at the end of the tunnel! Someone was using common sense and just sticking to the matter at hand. He remained seated and waited.

"Our host has asked you to leave. Please do so."

"Suddenly you have become polite. No not until you give me a valid reason based on medical fact as to why we would not be able to benefit this institution."

"Suddenly you have become polite. No not until you give me a valid reason based on medical fact as to why we would not be able to benefit this institution."

"Minister of State for Health, Alexander Beckwith," the second Isselmere-Nielander delegate stated as he rose. "Dr Vincent, I believe my minister had presented a valid argument against your nation being part of this alliance, chiefly that any possible information discussed herein might be used by your rather militaristic nation against the current members. As a member of this alliance, certain information relating to existing public health measures, notably regulations for the containment of epidemics and the location of vital health care and medical research facilities necessary for the suppression of diseases, would have to be shared with your nation. How can we be certain such information would be used only for peaceful purposes when your government has yet to prove itself capable of such responsibility?"

"First, of all how could we use such information in a negative way? Secondly, why would we want to and thirdly we could obtain that information through nefarious means anyway through our extensive intelligence service if we wanted to anyway."

Dr.Vincent paused momentarily:

"Furthermore, you would have access to our medical research and regulations systems. The trust works both ways. We have had no history as a nation in breaking alliances. In fact one of our strongest attributes is our loyalty and extent of contribution to an alliance once we have joined it."

"First, of all how could we use such information in a negative way? Secondly, why would we want to and thirdly we could obtain that information through nefarious means anyway through our extensive intelligence service if we wanted to anyway."

Dr.Vincent paused momentarily:

"Furthermore, you would have access to our medical research and regulations systems. The trust works both ways. We have had no history as a nation in breaking alliances. In fact one of our strongest attributes is our loyalty and extent of contribution to an alliance once we have joined it."

Beckwith stood again. "Though it is true such information could be obtained through clandestine means rather than direct access, at least the former course would require greater expenditure by your defence establishment and would, at the very least, provide us the opportunity of defeating such efforts.

"With respect to your statement of how such information could be used against the citizens of the member states, it would be possible to contaminate stockpiles of vaccines, facilitate the disruption of preventative measures as well as public health in general through the dissemination of false or misleading information, alteration of computer programs governing the operation of automated systems such as those used for life support of critical care patients, and other similar plots. While my government has no evidence your nation would indeed foment such cruelty upon any of the nations here, nor any other nation, the militaristic nature of your leadership has worried the other member states.

Beckwith spoke calmly, attempting to extinguish the fires set by other delegates, but sincerely trying to bring the matter to an end.

"Now it is true that we would receive similar information with regards to regulations and institutions within Drum Gods as you would of those within our nation. My government will have to take your word that your nation has not violated or abrogated any existing agreement without due cause. However," waiting a moment for the shift to register, "let me raise another concern."

"This alliance is one entirely intended for peaceful purposes. Your nation has demonstrated its inability to restrain itself from engaging in military misadventures. Its membership within this alliance would place its stated aims as an organisation of peace at great risk. How would a nation devastated by disease feel if a militaristic nation, even though it would simply be health professionals from your nation, would enter theirs? Would they feel as if they were being aided by highly skilled medical personnel or would they feel invaded?

"You say you are separate from the military, that yours is another government department entirely. Unfortunately, that department is simply a component within a larger structure determined to display its military might. Unless there is a major policy reversal within your nation with respect to its militaristic ways, it appears membership within this organisation and your presence at this conference will not be accepted.

"That said, His Majesty's Government recommends, as it has before, that Dr Vincent be permitted to remain as an observer for the time being until more sensitive information is discussed."

Dr Vickers shakes her head.

"As the nation which has sponsored both this meeting and this alliance has asked that to depart, and as long as it has made clear its intentions to make our lives as doctors all the more busy due to its immense ego suffering a righteous bruising from meeting the truth, there is no reason for it to remain. We have no use for it or its presence, and neither does this alliance, through the words of the founders nation's representative."

She looks at Joan. "One does not coddle evil, one does not protect disease. Those are the ways in Vastiva. Is your healthcare of a different path? Do you protect the gangrene, or save the patient?"
Minister Speal grew rigid with surprise in her seat. "Excuse me, Dr. Vickers, but has my hearing momentarily failed me?" She looked straight at the doctor, an expression of disbelief suspended on her features. "I am inclined to believe so, but I can not accept the statement I just heard from the honorable delegate of Vastiva."

The barest tinge of anger seeped into her voice as Joan stood. "If you are accusing the Commonwealth of deliberately condoning whatever actions you have... stated... it's just preposterous. I... I mean... I see this uninformed attack as nothing but a personal attempt to sabotage this alliance's progress toward a unified entity. I beg to differ, but nothing that the good doctor has said shows to merit her own charges on Dr. Vincent."

She sat back down, to await the expected response from Vickers.

Beckwith stood again. "Though it is true such information could be obtained through clandestine means rather than direct access, at least the former course would require greater expenditure by your defence establishment and would, at the very least, provide us the opportunity of defeating such efforts.

"With respect to your statement of how such information could be used against the citizens of the member states, it would be possible to contaminate stockpiles of vaccines, facilitate the disruption of preventative measures as well as public health in general through the dissemination of false or misleading information, alteration of computer programs governing the operation of automated systems such as those used for life support of critical care patients, and other similar plots. While my government has no evidence your nation would indeed foment such cruelty upon any of the nations here, nor any other nation, the militaristic nature of your leadership has worried the other member states.

Beckwith spoke calmly, attempting to extinguish the fires set by other delegates, but sincerely trying to bring the matter to an end.

"Now it is true that we would receive similar information with regards to regulations and institutions within Drum Gods as you would of those within our nation. My government will have to take your word that your nation has not violated or abrogated any existing agreement without due cause. However," waiting a moment for the shift to register, "let me raise another concern."

"This alliance is one entirely intended for peaceful purposes. Your nation has demonstrated its inability to restrain itself from engaging in military misadventures. Its membership within this alliance would place its stated aims as an organisation of peace at great risk. How would a nation devastated by disease feel if a militaristic nation, even though it would simply be health professionals from your nation, would enter theirs? Would they feel as if they were being aided by highly skilled medical personnel or would they feel invaded?

"You say you are separate from the military, that yours is another government department entirely. Unfortunately, that department is simply a component within a larger structure determined to display its military might. Unless there is a major policy reversal within your nation with respect to its militaristic ways, it appears membership within this organisation and your presence at this conference will not be accepted.

"That said, His Majesty's Government recommends, as it has before, that Dr Vincent be permitted to remain as an observer for the time being until more sensitive information is discussed."

Dr Vickers shook her head. "You seem to believe this is a democracy. It is not. This is an invitational, and one has been revoked."

She then looks over at the representatives from Granzi. "Should it please you, reread the transcripts of what has transpired. If you support such actions from any government..."

At that, she says no more.

"I hardly see what wrong Dr. Vincent personally has preformed. What I proposed," And you tried to sabotage, Joan thought, "is a complete discussion into the regulations and perhaps the binding contract of the UMA. I believe that through several questionable comments made here, we have reached a stalemate that solves nothing, yet alienates prospective members."

"As it seems that Euroslavia, as the host, has a right to ask an attendee to leave, I can not bar such an action. We respect their decision."

"Now, would you care to move on?" Minister Speal steals a glance at the Vastivans (sp?).

Looking over everyone arguing with each other, Dr Fox decided to break it up..

"Attention everyone. We are going nowhere in this Conference, and we have solved absolutely nothing. I strongly suggest that the delegate from Drum Gods stay, in order to show our fairness to all nations, and I also suggest that all members hold off their harsh opinions for now, in order to have a serious discussion on the United Medical Alliance. This Alliance is about saving people, and we can't even get our goals together because we're arguing about petty things. May God save us all..."

Dr. Fox looked very emotional, but stern. He wasn't going to let anything stop him in making this alliance a major success.

I say we prospone this Conference and invite only nations that have acted in the best intrests of the UMA to a ne conference that 0Tom would be willing to host.

"In terms of medicine and its future advancement we could only be a positive influence. That is all I can say for now,"sighed the doctor.

I say we prospone this Conference and invite only nations that have acted in the best intrests of the UMA to a ne conference that 0Tom would be willing to host.


OOC: Postponing it would make matters even worse. The same discussions would be held whether it was in your nation or Granzi's or Vastiva's or mine. I see no difference in moving it.

Ok it was an Idea and we only invite nations who are benifting the UMA

(OOC: Sorry for the delay in posting, I had to go out of town. :()

IC: The Grand Duke of Olwe stood up, causing nearly everyone in the room to look at him even though he hadn't spoken a single word yet. He smiled inwardly -- wearing the eye-catching colors of the Royal House of Olwe had been a good idea. The deep violet with rich silver embroidery was a big attention-grabber.

"I agree with the delegates from Isselmere and Euroslavia that we are getting nowhere with this petty squabbling. I, personally, had never heard of Drum Gods before entering into this alliance -- although, I must admit, some of the intelligence I've collected since then greatly disturbs me. However, politics really have no place here. I was under the impression this was a medical conference, not a political one. So far, from where I'm standing, the whole thing appears to be an unmitigated disaster." He puncuated these statements by changing his expression gradually from a polite smile at the other delegates to a disgusted scowl at their childish behavior.

"However, I also believe that by threatening the member nations of this alliance, the delegate from Drum Gods forfeits his right to be here. I would like to add, just so we're clear, Dr. Vincent, that if any nation attempts to thwart the efforts of this alliance, Olwe's military response will be swift and decisive, and you personally will have a target painted on your backside during any such proceedings that involve Drum Gods. You're not the only nation here that's capable of ordering an assassination, after all."

With that, Piñata sat back down and calmly drank from a pocket flask he had brought with him.

"Now, shall we talk medicine?"

Dr Fox looked over in suprise as the delegate from Olwe opened his mouth. They had a good point. We are here to talk about medicine and ways to improve the average human's life span. It was time they did so.

"He's right." Dr Fox replied. "We can save the discussion of membership for later, but for now, we should talk about the goals of the Alliance. Obviously, coming up with cures for some of the most troublesome diseases/viruses is at the top of the list, along with the topic of hunger and starvation in 3rd world nations. How exactly can we do anything about this? Where should we start in sending food to these nations? With their current government, a lot of 3rd world nations are corrupt, and do not give their citizens the food. Should we go in there without their 'permission' and distribute the food secretly?"

He paused and looked around at all of the delegates, in hope that they let their tensions go, at least for a little while...

"Fine by me. I'll play by the rules, if those from Vastiva will too." Joan glared at Dr. Vickers.

I disagree totally with sending food to 3rd world countries we need to cure decieses

"As long as we need not suffer another diatribe from Dr Vickers. Aid should be given to such nations if disease might spread to others and we have been called in. Otherwise, we simply should do our best to contain any outbreaks of disease that might arise from such a situation. Should, however, a member nation wish to send food to such nations, no other nation within the Alliance should prevent it, nor should it be considered an obligation for other members to follow suit."

"I shall remain on record as opposing Dr. Vincent's presence here," Marshall said. "However, if our hosts believe they should remain, it's their call, not ours."

Marshall fixed a scowl on Dr. Vincent before he sat down.

Admiral Pintaro was about to speak but heading off what could have been disaster, Sir Leonard took the 'stage'.

"While the Grand Duchy is in no way against food shipments, the UMA should not become a supermarket for the world's poor. If we divert our resources between feeding and healing the people we'll do both, but we'll do neither well. The official energies and coordinating efforts of the United Medical Alliance should be focused on treating and healing those without access to proper medical care."

~studiously ignores all save Sir Leonard~

"Vastiva has had a long tradition of humanitarian aid, including food deliveries. However, if such cannot arrive where it can do the most good, of what use is it?

"If curing disease is our focus, we should decentralize our efforts and spread our knowledge between us, the better to make long strides. This will mean some... relaxation or redefinition of law, for the greater good."

~studiously ignores all save Sir Leonard~

"Vastiva has had a long tradition of humanitarian aid, including food deliveries. However, if such cannot arrive where it can do the most good, of what use is it?

"If curing disease is our focus, we should decentralize our efforts and spread our knowledge between us, the better to make long strides. This will mean some... relaxation or redefinition of law, for the greater good."

"We are not implying that the UMA shouldn't provide food to the starving. We are saying that the UMA has finite resources. If we, the members of the UMA, want to vaccinate the third world, if we want to provide medical care, if we want to establish hospitals and clinics we are going to have to make tough choices.

Are we to be a general aide organization or are we are going to a medical aide organization?"

"Precisely."

"In response to the Admiral, that is up to all of you whether you would like this Alliance to be general aide or medical aide. I propose that we start off as medical aide only, and when the appropriate time comes along, we could expand into a general aide Alliance."

Dr.Vincent stood up to comment on the situation greatful that they had moved on from the previous topic of controversy:

"It is our belief that our position should be that of a medical alliance as stated by our name. There already exist enough general aide organisations. We do not want to place lives ourselves with the many but rather be the specialised group reknowned for our ability to focus upon dealing with humanity's greatest scientific difficulties."

Dr.Vincent stood up to comment on the situation greatful that they had moved on from the previous topic of controversy:

"It is our belief that our position should be that of a medical alliance as stated by our name. There already exist enough general aide organisations. We do not want to place lives ourselves with the many but rather be the specialised group reknowned for our ability to focus upon dealing with humanity's greatest scientific difficulties."

Admiral Pintaro brushed aside Sir Leonard, "Dr. Vincent you are an observer. I believe, and this is just off the top of my head...an observer is a delegate sent to observe and report on the proceedings of an assembly or a meeting but not vote or otherwise participate." Sir Leonard began to wave her back to her seat.

As she took her seat she made one last comment, "Dr. Vincent, just sit there and look pretty."

Sir Leonard then returned the discussion back on top. He completely ignored Dr. Vincent, however. "Dr. Fox, the UMA should live up to it's name. We should devote ourselves to becoming a medical aide organization."

"I am very concerned about your presence here. Your observational skills seem to be severely lacking considering I am a man firstly and secondly formerly one of the military. Women must be very butch and athletic in your land for you to make such a gross mistake,"chimed Dr.Vincent.

The Isselmere-Nielander minister of state for Health removed himself from the proceedings as well upon learning of certain recent issues arising at home, delegating the conference to the secretary of state for the National Health Service, Ms Colleen MacMahon, MBBS, Fellow of the Royal Academy of Surgeons of Isselmere-Nieland.

The Isselmere-Nielander minister of state for Health removed himself from the proceedings as well upon learning of certain recent issues arising at home, delegating the conference to the secretary of state for the National Health Service, Ms Colleen MacMahon, MBBS, Fellow of the Royal Academy of Surgeons of Isselmere-Nieland.


We hope that all is well within Isselmere-Nielander, and wish you good tidings.

"In response to the Admiral, that is up to all of you whether you would like this Alliance to be general aide or medical aide. I propose that we start off as medical aide only, and when the appropriate time comes along, we could expand into a general aide Alliance."

"Agreed. This alliance is likely going to get bigger, meaning that we will have more resources at our disposal at a later time. This will make the transition from medical aid to general aid easier -- right now, I believe it would be extremely difficult to pull off both. Let's just begin at the beginning, rather than attempting to bite off more than we can chew."

Dr Vickers cleared her throat.

"At this time, the UMA cannot do anything - it has no forces, nothing pledged to its service. It cannot 'chew' anything.

"Perhaps it would be best if we placed requests centrally, and those best able to aid, did. Vastiva maintains several dozen MASH battalions and other units, designed for quick insertion and aid in crisis situations. Would we be required to aid everyone? Such an idealistic approach would drain our capacity to nil rather quickly."

Dr Fox was quick to respond:

"In my opinion, in order to show our unity, every nation within the UMA should send aid to the nation in question. Although, the only way we should be able to send aid is if we are completely united in the 'want' to help. If there is any doubt, we need to discuss it and resolve it, and if there is still any doubt within the members of the UMA, then it can be up to individual nations to send aid."

Dr Vickers cleared her throat.

"At this time, the UMA cannot do anything - it has no forces, nothing pledged to its service. It cannot 'chew' anything."

"If you truly feel the UMA has nothing pledged to its service, perhaps you're not taking it seriously enough. All applicable resources from Olwe are pledged to its service. Besides, we have too little time to bother with such trivial technicalities."

"As for the suggestion made by Dr. Fox, that's pretty much what I was thoinking too. We need to be sure we're not forcing other nations into anything, even for a good cause."

A man was walking down the crowded street, until he bumped into a trash can, leading to many people laughing at his clumsiness.

ATTN ALL:

A forum has been created:
http://s8.invisionfree.com/UMA/index.php?http://s8.invisionfree.com/UMA/

bump!

[OOC: Sorry, tied up with university, work, and an NS civil war at present. Will try to post properly later.]

[OOC: Sorry, tied up with university, work, and an NS civil war at present. Will try to post properly later.]

OOC: No biggie. Take your time. :)

ATTN ALL:

A forum has been created:
http://s8.invisionfree.com/UMA/index.php?

I walked until my head bumped into the overhanging ceiling fixture...

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I noticed the forum is inactive too... did the UMA die? :(

I'm sorry for neglecting this thread. I guess I just gave up on it when it said "Last updated by Olwe" for two weeks. :(

Anyway, what do we do now?

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I noticed the forum is inactive too... did the UMA die? :(

I'm sorry for neglecting this thread. I guess I just gave up on it when it said "Last updated by Olwe" for two weeks. :(

Anyway, what do we do now?

I'm willing to revive it, that is, if the rest of the members are willing to do so as well.

I'm willing to give it another go.

Yeah, I was looking forward to doing some good storylines with this once we got past the whole Drum Gods thing. :rolleyes:

I use that smiley way too much.

OOC: I'm willing to give it another shot.

We can try that compromise I suggested a while back on AIM, BTW.

Damn, I REALLY need to get AIM. :rolleyes:

There's that smiley again.