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Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

As you know, Allanean Arms Inc sold us the right to the Bushmaster 17 and the right to modify it, I show you now the gun.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=57626

This gun will replace the venerabal G36. Now named the RAR-1A, or Rosian Assualt Rifle Class 1 Version A, is now the official assualt rifle of the Island. It employs a scope that can operate night and thermal vision. It also contains a laser sight, for those pin point shots. And it has a handle behind the laser, which can double as a silencer if you unscrew it. The round is 5.56 NATO standard, of course. It used fiberglass and modern fancy things that go on every assualt rifle. The technical stats are below.

Technical Stats:

Name: RAR-1A
Caliber: 5.56 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 760mm
Barrel length: 476mm
Weight (w/o mag): 3.3 kg
Maximum Effective Range: 640 meters
Magazine: 30 Box Magazine
Rate of Fire: 650 Rounds per Minute


Carbine versions, which will be named the RAR-1C, and commando versions, which will be named the RAR-1K, are almost done being distributed and you will be first to know.
-President Sergei Ilyanov of The Island of Rose

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very nice rifle.

Yes, I used MS Paint for it.

Nice, but the Aztec Lands Imperial Army is looking for a 6.8mm rifle. 5.56 is rapidly getting old and showing major defects. It was designed for Vietnam, not the modern world.

Nice, but the Aztec Lands Imperial Army is looking for a 6.8mm rifle. 5.56 is rapidly getting old and showing major defects. It was designed for Vietnam, not the modern world.

I couldn't sell it to ya anyway...

Just advising you on your outdated calibers.

Just advising you on your outdated calibers.

Eh, but it works. Other nations use it. Plus G36s uses 5.56, it worked well for me.

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Nice, though I would call that effective range hopeful at best. Famas has similar barrel/size length, and the G2 only has 450m effective range.

From the picture it looks more like Steyr AUG. If the caliber needs to be increased again, why not reintroduce 7.62mm?

OOC: Didn't you want to adopt the Chinese Type 95 SAW earlier? There's Type 97 variant which fires 5.56mm NATO and looks exactly identical to the Type 95 (5.8mm Chinese DPB87).

Chellis: But FAMAS are French... ewww... :P

Sino: It's a bullet. It hits you, you are stopped. And it's a mix between Bushmaster and Steyr AUG.

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OOC:I own the Buschmaster AR17 in RL.

Just advising you on your outdated calibers.


We have marketed this rifle to TIR, and we will happily sell you rifles in any caliber you wish.

((OOC: Here's my attempt at Carbine and Commando specs, tell me if they're right))

Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

The commando (RAR-1K) and carbine (RAR-1C) versions have been released. Here are the specs and pictures. It uses the same features such as the scope, silencer handle, and laser sight, but now it is attached to the side of the barrel. The grenade launcher version will be out for public display soon.


Name: RAR-1C
Caliber: 5.56 NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Length: 615mm
Barrel Length: 320mm
Weight: (w/o mag) 3.0 kg
Maximum Effective Range: 600 Meters
Magazine: 30 Rounds
Rate: 650 Rounds per Minute


Name: RAR-1K
Caliber: 5.56 NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Length: 500mm
Barrel Length: 226mm
Weight: (w/o mag) 2.7 kg
Maximum Effective Range: 570 Meters
Magazine: 30 Rounds
Rate: 650 Rounds per Minute

Comment.
-Minister of War: General Alexander Roska

OOC: It looks nice, but the barrel is too short. The ammunition you're using is only fully effective out to 200m with a 20" barrel, and 476mm=18.74".
it worked well for me.You could get something better, though.
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Assault.htm
If the caliber needs to be increased again, why not reintroduce 7.62mm?Existing rounds are either too powerful or weak for use in an assault rifle, plus see the link above.
It's a bullet. It hits you, you are stopped.It's not that simple. More energy+Other Features=More chance you are stopped

Do you want more tips for improving the design/finding something better, or do you want to keep it as is?

Up you go! As you can see Allanea, I haven't offered to sell these guns. Bah.

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Assault.htm
Do you want more tips for improving the design/finding something better, or do you want to keep it as is?

((OOC: I'm not going for the best gun. So, tips would be nice. *puts Criticism Shield O' Doom*))

OOC:((OOC: I'm not going for the best gun. So, tips would be nice. *puts Criticism Shield O' Doom*))Okay, let's see...The current version ejects spent cases to the right, which will hit a left-handed shooter or a right-handed shooter forced to shoot left-handed so as not to overly expose himself while firing around cover. You could fix that by copying the forward ejection system of either the Russian A-91 or the Belgian FN F2000 (or Nianacio's rifle). To reflect this change in the picture, it'd probably work best to copy a section of the gun's body and paste it over the rectangle above the magazine.
There are a bunch of features various other rifles have to improve reliability, but to make it easy, you could just say design improvements were copied from the standard-issue rifle of Nianacio to improve reliability. (Nianacio armed forces are expected operate in rather extreme environments, so everything has to be very reliable.)
If the chamber explodes, it's right below the face (because this is a bullpup weapon). If you put a composite plate right below where the face goes, the firer should survive.
Most bullpups have horrible triggers, but that can be fixed, too.

Hmmm...I think everything but the first could be called "miscellaneous product improvements". If I think of anything else important, I'll let you know.

I think this is the most relevant quote from the page I linked to if you don't want to read it all:
Perhaps the most interesting and instructive series of experiments took place in the UK in the late 1960s, when thorough attempt was made to design an ideal military small-arms round. This started with calculations of the bullet energy required to inflict a disabling wound on soldiers with various levels of protection. The energy varied depending on the calibre, as a larger calibre required more energy to push it through armour. For example, it was calculated that while a 7.62mm bullet would need 700 joules to penetrate modern helmets and heavy body armour, a 7mm would require 650j, a 6.25mm 580j, a 5.5mm 500j and a 4.5mm 320j (this last figure looks wrong and should probably be 420j). This figures applied at the target; muzzle energies would clearly have to much higher, depending on the required range and the ballistic characteristics of the bullet.

A range of "optimum solutions" for ballistics at different calibres was produced. These resulted in muzzle energies ranging from 825 joules in 4.5mm to 2,470j in 7mm. More work led to a preferred solution; a 6.25mm calibre with a bullet of 6.48g at 817 m/s, for a muzzle energy of 2,160 joules. The old 7mm EM2 case was necked down to 6.25mm for live firing experiments, although had the calibre been adopted a new cartridge would probably have been designed. Tests revealed that the 6.25 cartridge matched the 7.62 NATO in penetration out to 600m and remained effective for a considerably longer distance, while producing recoil closer to the 5.56mm.

((OOC: Can we assume that's all already there. You have to understand, I am more of a character RP man >_<. Can you tell me what to put in place of barrel size? Since you said it was too small...))

OOC:Can we assume that's all already there.Sure.
Can you tell me what to put in place of barrel size? Since you said it was too small...))It depends on what range you want maximum effectiveness to end at*. Sixteen inches for 150 meters, twenty inches for 200 meters, and I don't know for beyond that. Maybe the +4"=+50m trend continues...I don't know. (Actually, I don't know all these things off the top of my head, but I do know where to look.)

*You can still shoot accurately beyond these ranges, but the ammunition is a lot less dangerous. The M16A2 with a 508mm barrel is said to have an effective range of 550 meters, so you can claim a lot longer effective range than the ammo will be fully effective at.

Hmmm, so the range will still be effective, but not at its best?

Hmmm, so the range will still be effective, but not at its best?Yea. A soldier might have to shoot someone a few times at longish range, but he shouldn't have too much shooting accurately as long as the target is within the maximum range.

((OOC: So no changes then is needed? As I said, I'm not going for DAS UBER GUN!))

Up. New version comin soon....

OOC:((OOC: So no changes then is needed? As I said, I'm not going for DAS UBER GUN!))It doesn't don't need changes, but lethality will be greatly reduced beyond maybe 190 meters with the current barrel length.

((OOC: Thanks. Thank you for yer comment :) ))

Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

The newest version of the RAR has just been released. The RAR-1G, or Rosian Assualt Rifle Class 1 Version Grenade Launcher. It for the grenadier in every squad. It launches 40mm grenades. It has the standard laser sight, on the side obviously. But the silencer must be carried by the soldier. Here are the stats.

Name: RAR-1G
Caliber: 5.56 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 760mm
Barrel length: 476mm
Weight (w/o mag): 3.7 kg
Maximum Effective Range: 640 meters
Magazine: 30 Box Magazine
Rate of Fire: 650 Rounds per Minute
Grenade Size: 40mm

Comment.
-Minister of War: General Alexander Roska

Just out of interest where is the GL on that version?

Just out of interest where is the GL on that version?

Underneath the barrel... look, I don't have photoshop damn it!

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Underneath the barrel... look, I don't have photoshop damn it!
Sorry I thought it was there, it just seemed a little small looking to me.

You don't need photoshop, as IIRC paint handles cut and pastes perfectly well.

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