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Secret IC:Doomingsland Armed Forces begin refit

Doomingsland
08-10-2004, 23:24
OOC:You can RP spy satelites detecting increased emmisions from factories, and see how the other tanks are being trasferred to militia units.

Secret IC:

A new MBT began rolling off the assembly lines in the industrial city of Darkforge. The older M1A5 King Abrams MBTs began to transfer to militia units, and the last of the M1A2s in service were deactivated and placed in secret wharehouses throughout the nation. Bradley fighting vehicles were also being transferred and/or deactivated. They were being replaced by far superior weaponry...

M10 Imperator MBT

This latest tank design comes as a replacement to the much proven M1A5. This newer tank features an armor composite, consisting of depleted uranium encased in steel and honey-combed titanium. To prevent the armor being penetrated by explosive rod penetrators, an inch of reinforced ceramics has been placed in between the titanium and DUEIS. During tests, it was able to withstand multiple frontal direct hits with a 145mm thermo-electric gun, and two side hits. It now features a 145mm thermo-electric gun, as the 120mm found on the King turned out to not be powerful enough. It also now features an autoloader due to its low profile design. However, this is a newly designed autoloader, which takes advantage of the light weight ammunition fired from the main gun. The autoloader follows the gun up and down, that way the gun doesn’t have to re-elevate. The new main gun is capable of firing SCRAMjet, APFSDS, HEAT, ATGM, and HE-FRAG. It also has a low profile design, making it a smaller target, further increasing its battlefield survivability. It also features standard counter measures, such as twelve 81mm smoke grenade launchers, to break locks from laser guided weapons. It also has 8 flare launchers to defend against IR guided weapons. It also posses jamming equipment for interfering with guided missiles, making it extremely well protected against ATGMs. The one weapon that we weren’t able to find a defense against for the longest time was the wire-guided missile. Well, we’ve found a defense. A small camera on the roof the tank constantly scans the horizon for missile launches, by searching for sudden increases in IR and smoke, and movement. Once that has been achieved, an automated .50 caliber GAU-19 mounted on the roof opens fire on the source of the weapon, killing the crew, and preventing the missile from being guided onto target. This counter measure has an effective range of 600 meters. As for targeting, it features mostly the same systems as the King, including its advanced IHAS system, or ‘identify hostile armor silhouette’. This system works by spotting a silhouette in the distance, matching it up with other silhouette’s in the computer’s memory, then identifying weak points in the armor, making one-shot-kills as easy as the push of a button.

Because of the high price, the Doomingsland Armed Forces will only be operating 8,000 of the tanks as of now. The old King Abrams will be turned over to militia units, and allies. Due to a decrease in weight, it is now easier to deploy than its predecessor.


Crew 3- driver, commander, gunner
Weight 74.9 tons
Dimensions
Length with gun forward 400 inches
Turret height 61.5 inches
Width 140 inches
Ground clearance 18 inches
Propulsion-Diesel-electric hybrid, 1800 horsepower
Transmission Hydrokinetic transmission, 4 forward gears, 2 reverse gears
Performance
Speed cross country 45 m.p.h.
Speed, 10% slope 17 m.p.h.
Speed 60% slope 4.1 m.p.h.
Acceleration 0 to 20 m.p.h. in 8.2 seconds
Range 269 miles cruising
Obstacle crossing
Vertical 42 inches
Trench 9 feet
Main armament 145mm Thermo-Electric gun
Coaxial Weapon 7.62 mm minigun, M134
Commander's weapon 0.50 caliber machine gun, GAU19/A, on powered rotary platform, remotely operated
NBC protection: 200 SCFM, clean cooled air
Cost per unit-7 million

Note about powering the main gun-


We use an array of acid batteries to provide the initial jolt and to supply power to fire the main gun while the vehicle is not moving. These batteries are recharged while the vehicle's engine is running. Supplementing these are a series of lithium batteries and capacitors connected to the motor and to a series of generators (each one connected to a non-driving road wheel [therefore, as the vehicle moves the generators take that motion and turn it into electricity which is then stored in capacitors and batteries]). The motor also provides power to the batteries and capacitors.

Now, since these batteries and capacitors only provide direct current electricity, alternators may be added to provide alternating current, although both types work but alternators would allow you to use that same power to run computers and fire control systems in the tank.

Now, some would argue that this doesn't provide enough power. It does (it doesn't take that much power to turn a metal into plasma [relatively]), but, to be safe and to prevent yourself from severe criticism, we’ve also added a generator mechanism to the engine to provide extra power.


M11 Legionnaire Fighting Vehicle

Designed as a replacement to the aging Bradley Fighting Vehicle, this new vehicle promises to be superior in the field of armor and fire power. Firstly, due to the Bradley’s weakness against handheld anti-armor weapons, such as the RPG-7 or AT-4, it now features DUEIS for its armor. It has a far thinner amount, however, and wouldn’t be able to withstand multiple direct hits from MBT main guns. But, it is nearly impervious to weapons up to 40mm, and RPGs tend to bounce off. On side hits, 40mm fire is capable of disabling it, but RPGs still tend to bounce off, but on rear, RPGs are capable of penetrating the ramp door. For its main armament, it has one GAU-9 25mm gattling cannon, capable of turning light armored vehicles and fixed wing aircraft into Swiss cheese. It also has two twin LOSAT missile pods, each one capable of engaging a tank from 5 km out. The LOSAT missile is capable of deafeating most modern armor with is hypervelocity penetrator. It has a velocity 4x greater than that of an APFSDS round from an M1A2, and reaches its maximum range in under four seconds(didn’t make this one up, it’s an RL weapon). It contains the standard countermeasures, and targeting system. It is capable of bringing 8 fully equipped men onto a battlefield. An air defense variant is also in the works, armed with the same main gun, and advanced radar systems, with the LOSAT pods replaced by two quad stinger missile pods.

The vehicle is still somewhat expensive to produce, and the military has ordered 12,000 of the vehicles to serve along side the Imperator.

M11 Legionnaire IFV
Crew 3, 8 infantry dismounts
Length 21'2"
Width 10'6"
Height 9'9"
Weight 57 tons
Road Speed 50 mph
Range 300 miles
Engine VTA-903T water-cooled 4 cycle diesel.
Armament 25mm gattling cannon, GAU9
7.62 mm coaxially mounted machine gun, M240
LOSAT missile launcher, two tubes mounted on either side of the turret
Cost per unit-1 million

OOC:Special thanks to Soviet Bloc, who helped make the MBT more realistic(and deadly). (OOC)Comments are welcome. Working on making a picture, might not have one up for a while, though.
Dailey
09-10-2004, 00:08
OOC:Great sounding tanks
Japanese Antarctica
09-10-2004, 00:13
Secret IC:

M10 Imperator MBT

This latest tank design comes as a replacement to the much proven M1A5. This newer tank features an armor composite, consisting of depleted uranium encased in steel and honey-combed titanium. To prevent the armor being penetrated by explosive rod penetrators, an inch of reinforced ceramics has been placed in between the titanium and DUEIS. During tests, it was able to withstand multiple frontal direct hits with a 145mm thermo-electric gun, and two side hits. It now features a 145mm thermo-electric gun, as the 120mm found on the King turned out to not be powerful enough. It also now features an autoloader due to its low profile design. However, this is a newly designed autoloader, which takes advantage of the light weight ammunition fired from the main gun. The autoloader follows the gun up and down, that way the gun doesn’t have to re-elevate. The new main gun is capable of firing SCRAMjet, APFSDS, HEAT, ATGM, and HE-FRAG. It also has a low profile design, making it a smaller target, further increasing its battlefield survivability. It also features standard counter measures, such as twelve 81mm smoke grenade launchers, to break locks from laser guided weapons. It also has 8 flare launchers to defend against IR guided weapons. It also posses jamming equipment for interfering with guided missiles, making it extremely well protected against ATGMs. The one weapon that we weren’t able to find a defense against for the longest time was the wire-guided missile. Well, we’ve found a defense. A small camera on the roof the tank constantly scans the horizon for missile launches, by searching for sudden increases in IR and smoke, and movement. Once that has been achieved, an automated .50 caliber GAU-19 mounted on the roof opens fire on the source of the weapon, killing the crew, and preventing the missile from being guided onto target. This counter measure has an effective range of 600 meters. As for targeting, it features mostly the same systems as the King, including its advanced IHAS system, or ‘identify hostile armor silhouette’. This system works by spotting a silhouette in the distance, matching it up with other silhouette’s in the computer’s memory, then identifying weak points in the armor, making one-shot-kills as easy as the push of a button.

Because of the high price, the Doomingsland Armed Forces will only be operating 8,000 of the tanks as of now. The old King Abrams will be turned over to militia units, and allies. Due to a decrease in weight, it is now easier to deploy than its predecessor.

OOC:

List complete stats if possible. Man, I would hate to have to pay for the operating/maintenance cost for these things. How is it lighter when the gun is heavier?
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 00:20
OOC:

List complete stats if possible. Man, I would hate to have to pay for the operating/maintenance cost for these things. How is it lighter when the gun is heavier?
OOC:What do you mean? The stats are right underneath the description. Do you mean how heavy fully loaded? Its lighter because its built off of a new chassis, the Abrams was already 75 tons, and the improvments I added made it ten tons heavier, making it pretty hard to deploy.
Japanese Antarctica
09-10-2004, 00:23
OOC:What do you mean? The stats are right underneath the description. Do you mean how heavy fully loaded? Its lighter because its built off of a new chassis, the Abrams was already 75 tons, and the improvments I added made it ten tons heavier, making it pretty hard to deploy.

OOC: silly me. i'm being distracted by jeopardy! :(

what did you do to the chassis to lighten it?
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 00:24
OOC:Its a totaly new chassis, the Abrams chassis was already as pretty damned heavy, so we simply designed a new one. It now more resembles an east bloc MBT than a western one, actualy. I'm trying to get a hold of a damned modeling program.
Japanese Antarctica
09-10-2004, 00:26
OOC:Its a totaly new chassis, the Abrams chassis was already as pretty damned heavy, so we simply designed a new one. It now more resembles an east bloc MBT than a western one, actualy. I'm trying to get a hold of a damned modeling program.

OOC: Yes, I know it's different. How did you lighten it? New materials? Cut sections out?
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 00:32
OOC:The hull is mainly composed of an extremely strong plastic composite, far stronger than steel, but also much lighter, this is being used on other tanks, but this is only for the chassis.
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 00:34
OOC:JA, wanna RP having your intell guys go over sat photos of the old tanks going to the militia, and the new ones going to the regular units? I might even make a way for you to find out about the tanks before they're used.
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 00:38
OOC:Any comments about the IFV?
Teh ninjas
09-10-2004, 00:53
I suggest raising the price. Especially for the Legionnaire IFV. My nations MBT costed 10 Million, and it's even earlier tech than this MBT. I would think atleast 10 Mil for the MBT, and much more than 900,000 for the IFV.
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 01:13
OOC:10 mill? The Abrams is only four mill, so I'd think seven mill is a fair price. The Bradley only costs around 750k, and I figured 900k would be OK, but I'll raise it the one mill just to keep people happy.
Teh ninjas
09-10-2004, 01:22
Yeah the Abrams is 4 Million, but this tank obviously incorporates, more advance electronics, targeting systems, armour composites, and a much more expensive main gun. I'd say 10 Million the very least.

As for the Bradley, it costs 3 Million Per Bradley, I'd say 4 Million to 5 Million for the IFV you offer.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2.htm

Also sorry if I'm being a nag, I just want the systems being sold to the NS community to be accurate in cost.
Japanese Antarctica
09-10-2004, 01:31
OOC:The hull is mainly composed of an extremely strong plastic composite, far stronger than steel, but also much lighter, this is being used on other tanks, but this is only for the chassis.

OOC: time to melt it then with napalm!
Doomingsland
09-10-2004, 02:51
OOC:I ain't selling these, this is how much it costs to produce them, notice its secret IC. Napalm wouldn't work to well with all of the excess armor. Now I need a war to test them in...
Roach-Busters
09-10-2004, 02:54
Awesome, Doom!

*TAG*
Shenyang
10-10-2004, 03:14
Ahh, a new day a new uber MBT.
Very nice tank Doom.
Japanese Antarctica
12-10-2004, 13:41
OOC: Alright, I guess this kind of tank is feasible, but is it really that reliable? the gun seems very tempermental.

Napalm wouldn't work to well with all of the excess armor.

I thought you said the chassis was made out of hardened plastic? And the napalm would cause problems with the ETC gun if it managed to hit the turret/barrel.
Doomingsland
27-10-2004, 19:55
M10A1 Imperator

This latest version of the Imperator has the same features as the original, but now comes with the option of added HERA to provide even better protection against HEAT rounds. Another new feature is a new anti-missile system, consisting of several parts. A milimetric wave radar system is used to detect incoming missiles, and a small, box like structure on the roof of the vehicle, a metal storm system, specifically designed to intercept incoming ATGMs, then turns, and fires a single round from ten gun tubes out of forty. The tubes each contain ten 6mm projectiles, electrically propelled at a target a rate far higher than conventional bullets. These are fired shotgun style, one from ten tubes at the same time, to make for a near certain direct hit. The radar is capable of detecting an ATGM launch from 5000 meters away, and has a near instant once in range, at 200 meters.

OOC:I modeled the tank, and am trying to find a way to make it a render so I can post. Specs are still the same, with an extra three tons added with the HERA.
Japanese Antarctica
27-10-2004, 20:54
M10A1 Imperator

This latest version of the Imperator has the same features as the original, but now comes with the option of added HERA to provide even better protection against HEAT rounds. Another new feature is a new anti-missile system, consisting of several parts. A milimetric wave radar system is used to detect incoming missiles, and a small, box like structure on the roof of the vehicle, a metal storm system, specifically designed to intercept incoming ATGMs, then turns, and fires a single round from ten gun tubes out of forty. The tubes each contain ten 6mm projectiles, electrically propelled at a target a rate far higher than conventional bullets. These are fired shotgun style, one from ten tubes at the same time, to make for a near certain direct hit. The radar is capable of detecting an ATGM launch from 5000 meters away, and has a near instant once in range, at 200 meters.

OOC:I modeled the tank, and am trying to find a way to make it a render so I can post. Specs are still the same, with an extra three tons added with the HERA.


OOC: If you're using GMAX you can't render. The tank seems a bit impractical to me. Knocking out either the gun or the treads means the tank is almost useless (without moblility, the alternator cannot work, and without the gun, the alternator is useless, much less the tank.)
Doomingsland
27-10-2004, 20:56
OOC:Not using GMAX, I'm using Solidworks. No, if you read, it has a seperate generator for the main gun as well.
Shenyang
27-10-2004, 21:21
It's the next generation of uber MBT brought to you by your friends in Doomingsland. Nice tank, congrats on one upping the M10.
Kriegorgrad
27-10-2004, 22:08
Kerill walked out of the humming room into the corridor before turning on his heel and striding down the hall. After going for what seemed an eternity, Kerill made his way to the coffee machine sitting in the cafeteria, plucking his mug from the nearby table, Hehe...noone touches my mug, Kerril thought with the possession a child would give a favourite stuffed animal.

Kerill was content, closing his eyes as he slowly walked back to the surveillance room, the second he crossed the threshold, the humming washed over him, like a thousand bees in the hive, all working to their full potential, the surveillance room was a hive in a way, each computer part had a function and it did do it to the best of it's ability.

Kurthul sat in the gloom, hunched over his terminal, pale blue light illuminating his features while the computers that filled the room hummed contently in the background. Kurthul strained his eyes before calling out, "Sir, activity in Doomingsland, looks like the militia are getting some old tanks...they look like M1A2s, basic stuff", Kerill made his way towards Kurthul.

"Yes, brother, what is it?" Inquisitor Kerill said, one hand idly rubbing his left eye, The hours are too long and the coffee isn't even well ground, they push us too hard, he took a sip from the rapidly diminishing mug of coffee. "Sir, take a look" said the young Kurthul, turning around on his office chair and peering up at the Inquisitor.

Kerill stood and though, he scanned the photo a few times before saying "Yes, what about it?" Kurthul began slowly but picked up his pace after the first few words, "Well, sir, I think that they are new battle tanks. Not on a par with our ST-21s or our M88s but that is only judging from the chassis."

Kerill took another sip from his mug while he mashed his left eye with his palm, "Judging from the chassis, it is indeed sub-quality to our tanks or at least it looks it, but many tanks can be decieving, I want statistics and comparisons on the ST-21, the M88 and that new tank that Doomingsland has."

A short silence was about to set it before Kurthul shattered it, "But sir...isn't Doomingsland in the RWC? On our side?" Kerill gave a smile and then a low chuckle, "Why my good friend, there is no such thing as innocence you know." The young man obviously didn't know as a slow look of confusion crept across his face, "But sir...isn't innocence a part of humanity?" Kerill's face turned serious and his voice to stone before delivering one last message, "No my friend, only varying degrees of guilt." Kerill turned on his heel and left the room to refill his empty mug.
Japanese Antarctica
27-10-2004, 22:28
OOC:Not using GMAX, I'm using Solidworks. No, if you read, it has a seperate generator for the main gun as well.

OOC: Two words. Logistical nightmare.
Doomingsland
27-10-2004, 22:39
OOC:Yeah, better to have a bunch of really good tanks for a lot of money than a bunch of crappy tanks for a little money. No, not really a logistical nightmare, its engine is actualy very fuel effecient, and easy to maintain, and if the weapon is kept in good condition as the men are expected, it shouldn't be much of a problem.
Kriegorgrad
30-10-2004, 17:50
OOC: Jesus, I'm the only one to make an IC post as per your request and I'm not even dignified with a reply!
Doomingsland
31-10-2004, 00:03
OOC:Sry, I wasn't on all day, busy modifying my rifles. I'll have you an IC response later. Ironically, Soviet Bloc helped me design it, this tank should be a major headache (or equivilant, depending on the crew) to an ST-21.

EDIT:One more thing, the chassis on this thing is actualy more mean looking than an ST21. I still have to find out how to post a pic...
Kriegorgrad
07-11-2004, 01:18
OOC: Sorry but the ST-21 is simply the best tank I have ever seen, it will take quite a lot to make me say otherwise. There is only one tank that I've ever used in conjecture with the ST-21...want to find out? Check my military thread.
Doomingsland
07-11-2004, 02:37
OOC:It probably is the best tank, but this tank is actualy loosely based on it (very loosely). It would really depend on the better crew in a fight with an Imperator and an ST21, they're pretty evenly matched armor, weapon, and counter measure wise. Aren't you going to have your people try to investigate the tank? Can you TG me the specs for the M88, I'm just curious to what it's like.