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The Republic of Mac Cumhail is seeking to expand its air power capabilities, in the realm of both air to air and air to surface combat.

Specifically, we desire a contractor who can supply our nation with acceptable quantities of fighter craft to meet the needs of our military.

Desired Aircraft Types:
250 General Purpose (Specifically, the Pavania Tornado)
120 Interceptor (such as the Dassault Mirage, though we are flexible here)
80 Fleet Defence (Particularly the F-14, though again, we are flexible)
80 Support (Such as the F-4 Phantom II, in the anti-radar wild weasel configuration).

All of these choices are entirely optional, EXCEPT the Tornado, which is a requirement.

We look forward to hearing contract bid offers, and working with any applicants. This will be a multi year contract, payable over several increments.


Sincerely
Donchad O'Conner
National Defence Minister

Although our nationally developed technologies are currently not being sold Celtayoshi is willing to provide the correct numbers of current Western aircraft. Each aircraft comes equiped with munitions and fuel, as well as specialist temas to instruct air force engineers in the best methods of preserving the aircraft for max. usage.

Prices can be negotiated, and are avialble at request and delivery will be speedy. Our production capabilites currently exceeds the order book and so we can deliver rapidly.

Alterntively, second hand aircraft can be bought, although we recomend new aircraft for durability.

We thank you for your offer. The Republic is capable of producing the combat munitions themselves, just not the aircraft to deliver them.

Name your terms for a five year contract to produce and supply these aircraft to our forces, along with specific models you intend to include.

Sincerely
Donchad O'Conner

The (Federal) United Kingdom arms export authority has initially stamped Mac Cumhail -based on UN reports indicating the moderate democratic nature of the Republic- as eligible for receipt of British arms, specifically Panavia Tornado GR4Z attackers and F3Z interceptors.

These aircraft, specified in the authority's documents (found through a link in this post's signature) are generally priced at about £14million (around US$25+million) a piece. The GR4Z ground attack aircraft is configured as standard to carry Emitter Location System, ALARM, AIM-132 ASRAAM, 27mm Mauser cannon, unguided rockets, laser-guided and free-fall bombs, Brimstone AGM, and Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
The F3Z interceptor is generally configured for 27mm Mauser cannon, four under-wing AIM-132 ASRAAM, and four under-fuselage Skyflash AAM or Mica AMRAAM.

A range of further British aircraft are available through the same channel.

-Office of George John-Wavelly, Defence Minister.

We have recieved the terms of the British Federation's offer, and have submitted it to the department of review for consideration.

Could you give us access to the technical specifications of each aircraft you have reccomended for our purchase, so that we may review and verify that they specifically suit our needs?

Regards
Donchad O'Conner

Taken from the British Arms Export Authority thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=337068), the current RAF service manifestations of the Tornado:

Panavia Tornado
Tornado is yet another highly distinctive combat aircraft produced in the UK and serving across the world. Britain, Germany, Italy, Saudia Arabia, and Oman are amongst this swing-wing aircraft’s user countries. It is produced (in Britain) by British Aerospace.
Existing in British production and service in two versions, Tornado is available both as ground-attack platform and interceptor.
GR4Z is the current ground attack version, F3Z the interceptor. The latest (Z) versions of Tornado, commissioned since PM Bull’s rise to power incorporate a number of minor improvements mainly facilitated by the UK’s new commitment to performance over cost-cutting, in contrast to the former –reversed- situation. Today the Z series Tornado are primarily single-role aircraft designed to serve with an air force that is prepared to spend what needs to be spent, rather than seeking to cut corners and make do, as this is no longer deemed possible in the vast Nation States world around us.
Tornado F3Z is able to receive data directly from AEW aircraft and even other fighters, giving it an exceptional view of a battle and actually enabling an individual aircraft to select and close on a target without targeting it directly. This averts the early warning that would be given by locking-on with the attacking fighter’s own radar, and as such leaves the enemy with poor warning and liable to be confused. Targeting by the attacking aircraft need only be done in the final moments before launching missiles
Technical Data
Powerplant is two Turbo-Union RB199s giving 2,336km/h (1,452mph/Mach 2.2) at 11,000m (36,000ft.) or 1,140km/h (710mph) at sea level.
Crew is two man; pilot and weapons-systems-operator.
Armament/other combat systems depends on type (GR4Z/F3Z)
The GR4Z ground attack aircraft carries- Emitter Location System, ALARM, AIM-132 ASRAAM, 27mm Mauser cannon, unguided rockets, laser-guided and free-fall bombs, Brimstone AGM, and Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
The F3Z interceptor carries- 27mm Mauser cannon, four under-wing AIM-132 ASRAAM, four under-fuselage Skyflash AAM or Mica AMRAAM.
Standard cost
£14million (around US$25+million)

Now, the RAF is due to withdraw F3Z in the near future as Typhoon becomes available (GR4Z shall serve on along side Jaguar and a yet incomplete Super Harrier project), and so the possibility of acquiring cut-rate second hand aircraft exists. Further, it is possible that BAe may produce an entirely new variant of Tornado to meet the Mac Cumhail requirement, perhaps altering the weapons capabilities to suit that nation's needs.

It might be added that BAe feels that Tornado GR4Z may fill the support/anti-radar role for which Mac Cumhail requires some airframes, meanwhile, Sea Harrier 3 is the best British option available for fleet defence, and may carry AIM-132 ASRAAM, Mica AMRAAM, or American AiM-9 Sidewinder and AMRAAM.

For interest, some information regarding mentioned armaments used by the RAF's Z series Tornado:

P3I AIM-132 ASRAAAM. Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile replaces AIM-9 Sidewinder in British service. Built by BAe, the weapon uses thrust-vectoring to increase agility. Its operational range is from 300m to more than 16km (over 10 miles) and speed in excess of Mach 3.5. A 10kg blast/fragmentation warhead is carried. Guidance is strapdown inertial and Imaging Infrared.

Skyflash A medium range, supersonic, radar-guided air-to-air missile, Skyflash is essentially a British improved AIM-7 Sparrow missile. The weapon is optimised to confront high-countermeasure environments, but its semi-active guidance means that the launching aircraft must maintain a lock until impact. Speed is well in excess of Mach 2, and range is around 50km (over 30 miles).

Brimstone AGM is capable of defeating the latest explosive-reactive armour fitted to some modern tanks. It is a fire-and-forget weapon able to operate by day or night in adverse weather conditions. Derived from the American Hellfire, Brimstone is actually a system comprising three missiles and a launcher. Range is about 8km (5 miles). Alenia Marconi Systems are today the prime contractors in the production of Brimstone.

Storm Shadow An air-launched cruise-missile designed to operate in most conditions to destroy command centres, bridges, airfield facilities, and other static high-value targets. Range is over 250km (160 miles) and cruise velocity is well over Mach 0.8.

ALARM Air-Launched-Anti-Radiation-Missile. This is Britain’s answer to the American Harm. During the latest Balkan conflict more than 100 American HARM missiles were fired against a Serbian radar site. The position survived by deactivating its radar and thus fooling the weapons into missing every time. Eventually the Americans requested British help, and a single ALARM missile destroyed the target that hundreds of millions of dollars worth of American hardware had been wasted against to no result. It is as such clearly arguable that the ALARM is more than a hundred times more potent that HARM. ALARM is launched at low-level near a suspected enemy radar target, and then climbs to 12,000m where it is able to go inactive when a target is lost, deploying a small parachute and descending slowly. When -assuming the threat passed- the target goes on-line again, ALARM reactivates and achieves the kill in a supersonic dive. Range is over 90km (almost 60 miles).

Sea Eagle This is a British anti-ship missile built by BAe. Capable of active radar homing and powered by a turbojet, the 4.15m long missile carries a roughly 230kg armour-piercing warhead to an impressive range of 130km. Coupled with its fire-and-forget, sea-skimming, Mach 1.1 flight, the weapon’s range makes it a formidable foe expecting little risk of its launch aircraft.

The information you have presented is certainly very compelling. We will return our answer to you shortly, and the Republic thanks you for your quick response.

Sincerely
Donchad O'Conner

Can we also by from Britian:
500 SEPECAT Jaguar GR3/T4 - £12.5million
500 Panavia Tornado - £14million
100 HC3 transport- £22million
20 HM Mk1 ASW- £24million
Total: £15930 million.

The Military Chiefs of Staff have directed me to suggest the following offer.

If we purchase the Pavania Tornados you have suggested for our Interceptors and half our ground strike aircraft (the other half being the SPECAT Jaguar fighter-bomber), would the British Federation be inclined to offer a discount on the purchase of one million SA80A3 L85 Assault Rifles and 25,000 SA80A3 L86 Light Support Weapons? The RFMC has been looking to phase out the AK series assault rifles of our main forces into the hands of the Auxillary Commands, while upgrading our line units' weaponry to more effective western arms, and we find your refits of the L80 series weapons to be particularly attractive.

Regards,
Donchad O'Conner

While it would perhaps have been best to make such an approach, PBC, in the dedicated thread, the UK and the involved firms are prepared to do business. It does rather seem that the scale of the order may be rather beyond the means of The Commonwealth of PBC to support; with a population less than twice the size of the UK and an economy of similar strength, the nation appears to be pursuing, for example, more than eight times the number of Jaguar in RAF service.

We are confident that something can none the less be worked-out.

-Sir Humphrey, Diplomatic Service

Certainly, the following is our 5 year contract (subject to modification) which will be submitted by Celtayoshi:

Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi

Desired Aircraft Types:
250 General Purpose (Specifically, the Pavania Tornado) [NON OPTIONAL]
120 Interceptor (such as the Dassault Mirage, though we are flexible here)
80 Fleet Defence (Particularly the F-14, though again, we are flexible)
80 Support (Such as the F-4 Phantom II, in the anti-radar wild weasel configuration)

Offered Aircraft:
-260 Tornado GR 4
Specification
Manufacturer Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi (Belfast)
GR 4
Engines 2 Turbo Union RB199 Mk103 reheated turbofans with integral thrust reverse
Maximum level speed 800 knots
Length 17.2 meters
Unswept span 13.9 meters
Swept span 8.6 metres
Height 6.0 metres
Empty weight 14,500 kg

-130 Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2
Specification
Manufacturer Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi (Belfast)
Wing span 30 feet
Length 48 feet
Height 17 feet
Combat weight 21,000 lb
Empty weight 16,000 lb
Internal fuel 7,000 lb
External fuel 8,000 lb
Maximum take-off weight 37,500 lb
Wing loading 47 lb/sq ft
Maximum speed at altitude Mach 2.2
Maximum speed at sea level Mach 1.2
Maximum rate of climb 60,000 feet/minute
Time to climb to 36,000 ft about 5 minutes
Maximum altitude 55,000 feet
Range 1,150 miles
Range with external tanks 2,000 nautical miles

-90 F-14D (also available at request is the Harrier, however aircraft chosen here is generally higher preformance
Specifications
Manufacturer Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi (Belfast)
Wing span, extended 19.5 metres
Wing span swept 11.6 metres
Length 19.1 metres
Height 4.88 metres
Maximum speed Mach 1.9
Cruise speed Mac 0.7
Ceiling 53,000 feet
Range 3,000 km

-90 F-4 Phantom II
Specifications
Manufacturer Celtayoshi Aircraft Systems (now Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi)
Engine: 2 General Electric J-79-GE-15 turbojets 17,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 38 feet, 5 inches
Length: 58 feet, 2 inches
Height:16 feet, 6 inches
Max Takeoff Weight: 54,600 lbs.
Maximum Speed: 1,400 mph
Range :1,750 miles
Ceiling: 59,600 feet

Price per plane(taking into account bulk order):
Tornado - $24million
Mirage - $20million
F-14 - $14million
F-4 - $1million

All F-4s completed and ready to deliver, the other variants can be produced within 5months, however delivery can be delayed by any period of time up to 5 years. More can be delievered at additional cost.

The trouble with off-setting gains from a large order of aircraft against a small arms discount, explained a British diplomat assigned to Mac Cumhail, is that of course the items are produced by different firms, each with their own accounts to balance.

However, since the BID Party's extensive re-nationalisation programmes, the state still owns large portions of Royal Small Arms, and a smaller share of British Aerospace. As part of a strengthening of relations, London is willing to provide the L86 rifles and the first batch (100,000) L85s at cost (that is, as if they'd been produced in your own state-owned factories rather than purchased).

To the British Federation:
We accept your generous offer, and wish to make the following purchases:

The aforementioned assault rifles and support weapons.

125 Pavania Tornado GR4Z Strike Craft. (3.186 Billion USD)
60 Pavania Tornado S3Z Interceptors (1.53 Billion USD)
125 SEPECAT Jaguar GR3/T4 Fighter-Bombers. (2.875 Billion USD)
40 BAe Sea Harrier 3s. (880 Million USD)

We believe a total of 8.5 Billion USD will cover the cost of the planes themselves, plus the transport costs to get them to our shores.

We wish to make this purchase over the course of four years, in the order that the craft are listed. The small arms will be purchased simeltaneously with the GR4Z Tornados.

We thank you for doing business with us, and look forward to returning the favor at some future date.

Sincerely and Warmly
Donchad O'Conner


To the governement of Celtayoshi, we wish to make the following purchases:
40 F-14 Tomcat Interceptors (560 Million USD)
80 F-4 Phantom II Wild Weasels (80 Million USD)
20 Dassault Mirage Interceptors (400 Million USD)

We believe this totals to 1.04 billion dollars USD, and will raise it to 1.1 billion dollars to cover the cost of transport. We will expect delivery within five years, as indicated.

We thank you for doing business with us, and look forward to returning the favor at some future date.

Sincerely and Warmly
Donchad O'Conner

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=mac+cumhail

Interested parties can find the Republic's credit and financial information here.

Regards
Alan MacFeinn
Financial Minister

The Mac Cumhail contracts have been accepted and cleared by the proper authorities, and production programmes are being drawn up. Involved parties express a confidence that the orders can be met on time.

There is some suggestion in light of recent transactions that UK authorities may in some day approach Mac Cumhail as one of several nations with which the military and government may wish to co-operate on ambitious future defence programmes, including UAVs and strategic missile defence shields.

The Republic of Mac Cumhail confirms the contract, and has set up the payment schedule.

We would be delighted to assist the British Federation in joint military and defence ventures, and look forward to any such proposals. Currently, our Research and Development department is testing submissions from assorted corporations to develop a sophisticated new sattelite based missile detection system. We hope these technologies are eventually of interest to you.

Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi finds the order payment to be correct. In accordance with our client-company trust policy Shorts Aerospace Celtayoshi will guarantee these aircraft to be free from workmanship defects for 2 years, and will replace without cost any aircraft proven to be damaged due to poor workmanship.

In due course current technologies developed in Celtayoshi, such as the CY-X1 may become available to you. We thank you for your choice.

Shorts Aerspace Celtayoshi
-International Military Aircraft Sales Department