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"As of this date, March the 11th, the year 4027 of the Common Era, the great Human Imperial Republic has begun its most ambitious project yet. In a little under three months, construction will be begun on several, temporary shields that will allow the four Worldships that currently guard Alpha Station to transit the rip-tunnels that said station creates. They will arrive at a star system a small way outside current Imperial space, and deploy their construction fleets. They will then take orbit around the system's primary, a small, recently collapsed red dwarf, roughly an AU from the star itself. Also in orbit around the diminutive solar object are a total of four gas giants, the largest of which is 1.5x larger than the Worldships themselves. Over the following years, these planets will be completely drained of material, which will be transported, via a permanent rip opened to Alpha Station and another opened to the Sol system, to the matter-conversion plants in the asteroid belt."

"Once we have gathered sufficient resources from these planets, construction will be initiated on the opening stages of a project that we expect to expand over the course of the next 150 or more years."

"You see, these gas giants, or at least the material we will derive from them, will barely be enough for just the facility that will oversee the building of what we believe to be the largest structure ever created by mortal hands. What we plan to create will require more than mere planets to make, this will require entire stars, entire systems. The worldships that we spent a century on will be child's play in comparison."

"Ladies and gentlemen, you may ask what we plan to build. That is a very good question, and one for which I have a very good answer."

"Good citizens of the Human Imperial Republic, I present to you the most ambitious project ever. Period. We plan to build..."

"A Dyson Sphere"

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The message, broudcast over the fastest transmitters in the Republic, reached throughout the Milky Way, touching the farthest corners of the galaxy and probing the deepest globular clusters. Everyone knew now, the Chairman of the Business Council had made sure of that. Of course, the fact that not one of them knew the location of either the Republic or the star system it was planning on putting forth this effort in was a side-line curiosity, one not worthy of this announcement. They would find out one day, of that there was no doubt, but there was also no doubt that they would be able to do nothing but stand and wonder at the pinnacle of human civilization, and the greatest of its achievements.

Though, many would also ask, "Why? Why build it?"

To that, there is no other answer than the time-old, "Because we can".

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Yep, you heard right, I'm building a Dyson Sphere, and you also heard right that I'm spending the next five or so months on it. I won't reveal too many technical details on the contruction, but it can be known that I'll build it by orbiting a large amount of panels, then allowing them to collapse into the shape of a sphere. From there, I will build an inner and outer skin. The inner skin will be made habitable for humans and similar species. There will be six entry points, one at each "pole", top, bottom, front, back, left, right. On the inside of each entry point will be space docks for the fleet, equally spreading it throughout the entire structure, able to access the outside of the structure at a moment's notice.

Not that the fleet will be the main defense. The outside of the Dyson Sphere itself will be chock full of weaponry, and the entire structure will be shielding. In a great coincedence, the particles required to create the initial shielding will be enough to consume an entire star.

At the 'Main' entrance point, the one that faces the closest back towards my homeworld, will have space-docks able to accomodate the Bismarck and Chancellor class super-dreadnoughts from the nation of Germanische Zustande. This is recognition of his great friendship with the Republic.

A permanent rip-tunnel will be open to the interior of the Sphere to Alpha station, which will, in turn, open another permanent link to the Sol II system. This will interconnect the three areas so closely that they may as well be one.

Though nothing will be forced, my citizens will be encouraged to migrate to the Dyson Sphere, all except those in the Sol II System. I will retain no other colonies beyond Alpha Station and any mining colonies I might need.

Once it is completed, the Dyson Sphere, nicknamed Beta Station, will be opened to other nations who prove themselves friendly to the Republic, both for trade and possible settlement, depending upon room requirements. The central Business Council chambers will remain on Earth II, and a significant portion of the fleet will remain stationed there and at Alpha Station, but pretty much my entire civilization will be moved within Beta Station.

Addressing Doubts before they come up:

Yes, I've had matter-transmution technology for a while, and I have the threads to prove it.

Yes this is a massive undertaking, and no I do not require any assistance.

Yes, the Worldships will be moved back to Alpha Station once construction is finished.

Any further questions? Comments? Flames?

As of now, the shells for the worldships are complete and the Worldships are in the target system. (10/10/04)

The de-construction of the system's planets, the processing of the resultant materials, and the construction of the factory-station is complete and the factory is now turning out the panels that will go into the Dyson Sphere. (10/14/04)

The project is 17/150 complete.

You're kidding me...

Bump.

Again...

Why a Dyson Sphere? A ringworld is such a better idea, more stable, easier to construct and still more land than you know what to do with. And Xessmithia was just contracted to build a Dyson "Sail", a star enveloping energy collector formed of massive panels that balance themselves in static positions against gravity and the solar radiation pressure.

Why a Dyson Sphere? A ringworld is such a better idea, more stable, easier to construct and still more land than you know what to do with. And Xessmithia was just contracted to build a Dyson "Sail", a star enveloping energy collector formed of massive panels that balance themselves in static positions against gravity and the solar radiation pressure.

I believe those are called Dyson "Bubbles".

Regardless, I stay by my position of "Because I can". I'd much rather do this than create a Ringworld, if not only because it might actually be easier, but because it will be easier to defend. You can approach a Ringworld from the direction of the star, and, unless the civilization that inhabits it has no problem living within major weaponry installations, it will be less well defended than a Dyson Sphere.

Not to mention that a ringworld has the habitable areas OPEN to fire froma distance. A Dyson Sphere puts armor between the civilians and the outer galaxy.

I believe those are called Dyson "Bubbles".

Regardless, I stay by my position of "Because I can". I'd much rather do this than create a Ringworld, if not only because it might actually be easier, but because it will be easier to defend. You can approach a Ringworld from the direction of the star, and, unless the civilization that inhabits it has no problem living within major weaponry installations, it will be less well defended than a Dyson Sphere.

Not to mention that a ringworld has the habitable areas OPEN to fire froma distance. A Dyson Sphere puts armor between the civilians and the outer galaxy.

Dyson bubble, makes sense. However, you wouldn't need armor with a Dyson Sphere because it's base material would have to be so strong just to support itself.

Dyson bubble, makes sense. However, you wouldn't need armor with a Dyson Sphere because it's base material would have to be so strong just to support itself.

Hence the usage of the word armor. I apologize, it's a matter of semantics.

Hence the usage of the word armor. I apologize, it's a matter of semantics.

No need to apologize. English is a strange language.

Up.

OOC: Cool. All I got to say. I believe there's a problem with using the standard spin technique to generate gravity on a sphere, since it causes all the atmosphere to gravitate towards the equator, but I'm sure you've already got something more advanced....

"Humans," Alicia sighed. It wasn't the time frame -- Weyreans had life spans of over fur centuries before the advent of modern medicine. Now was it the commitment of resources -- Weyrean corporations strip mined white and black dwarfs. It was simply the idea of putting an entire civilization into one spot, of making that civilization so vulnerable to some random, chance disaster.

~The official Sharina TAG of approval~

I know what a Dyson Sphere is like, but I've never heard of a Ringworld.

I'd like to see info about a Ringworld... like what does it look like? Technology behind it? What sci-fi series use them? Etc.

~The official Sharina TAG of approval~

I know what a Dyson Sphere is like, but I've never heard of a Ringworld.

I'd like to see info about a Ringworld... like what does it look like? Technology behind it? What sci-fi series use them? Etc.

Most famous, Larry Niven's novel Ringworld. I'm not sure what else uses them, but they've been in a lot. They're essentially a giant ring around a star. Since it is a ring it can be spun to generate artificial gravity, it has a huge surface area.

Heh, I'll be using my own artificial gravity, no need for centrifical gravity. That's one of the great things about Dyson Spheres, they can power all their own systems with energy from the star they're built around.

Heh, I'll be using my own artificial gravity, no need for centrifical gravity. That's one of the great things about Dyson Spheres, they can power all their own systems with energy from the star they're built around.

So do the shadow squares from Ringworld. Speaking of which, how will you simulate day/night cycles?

/ooc
i beilve halo, the game, takes place on a ring world if i am not mistaken.

OOC: I always wondered if a future tech nation would use/discover a Sphere. Now that has been answered...

So do the shadow squares from Ringworld. Speaking of which, how will you simulate day/night cycles?

Most likely the same way the (Don't flame me if you don't hold the same view, but I do honestly think they built it) Borg do in their Dyson Sphere; the upper atmosphere polarizes during the night cycle.

Most likely the same way the (Don't flame me if you don't hold the same view, but I do honestly think they built it) Borg do in their Dyson Sphere; the upper atmosphere polarizes during the night cycle.

Sounds cool. I do disagree on the borg thing though, they don't have the industrial capacity from what I've seen, but to each their own.

OOC: you know a ringworld from the GameHalo would be alot cheaper to build,

OOC: you know a ringworld from the GameHalo would be alot cheaper to build,

It would also be a lot smaller, less defensible, and generally more open to attack.

OOC: Ooo... a Dyson Sphere. Good luck to you. Definitely the biggest space project ever.

Oh, by the way, shells are 2/10 complete, will be starting the Dyson Sphere when they're done.

Greetings, Industrial Experiment.

The Technocracy of Sharina is interested in sending a delegate to observe the Dyson Sphere and its construction. We would like to build a town or a community inside the sphere if permissible.

In addition we would like to look into opening up embassies, trade, and perhaps an alliance. We believe strongly in the human spirit.

Live well,
President Rand Veristek

Greetings, Industrial Experiment.

The Technocracy of Sharina is interested in sending a delegate to observe the Dyson Sphere and its construction. We would like to build a town or a community inside the sphere if permissible.

In addition we would like to look into opening up embassies, trade, and perhaps an alliance. We believe strongly in the human spirit.

Live well,
President Rand Veristek

Official Notice from the Imperial Business Council

We of the Industrialite Business Council are honored at your curiosity into our affairs and are very willing to accept a delegate to attend construction. However, due to security concerns, we must request several conditions. We will not be able to provide you with exact coordinates, but we are willing to set up a rendevous point.

There, we will be able to dock any vessel you may send with a carrier that will take you to Alpha Station and through to the site of the Beta Station construction.

Then, trade agreements and embassy exchange may be negotiated at our leisure.

Shells are 3/10 complete

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OOC: Well, if you wanted a sphere IE, I would have given you one. On the matter of simulating Day and Night: Borg do not need to simulate day and night, no matter if it is in a cube, sphere, probe, what have you, such a concept is irrelevent to them. they don't even sleep. They step into regeneration chambers which, of course, is far more efficient than sleep. It chalks up to the same thing in my book, but, hey, what ever floats there bubble.

OOC: Well, if you wanted a sphere IE, I would have given you one. On the matter of simulating Day and Night: Borg do not need to simulate day and night, no matter if it is in a cube, sphere, probe, what have you, such a concept is irrelevent to them. they don't even sleep. They step into regeneration chambers which, of course, is far more efficient than sleep. It chalks up to the same thing in my book, but, hey, what ever floats there bubble.

Ehh, most of the people I know who support the Borg theory will point out that, were the sphere to have really been a Borg construct, it would have been millions, if not hundreds of millions or even perhaps billions of years old. It might very well have been a last gasp of industrial might before they turned over to nanite technology entirely.

7/10

Shells 8/10 complete, construction will be begun on the shipyard that will put out the plates which will allow construction of the Dyson Sphere itself when the shells are done and the Worldships' journies are complete.

9/10

The Worldship shells are done and the worldships themselves have taken a rip-tunnel to the star system designated for the construction. It will take roughly five years to completely gather the materials in the system and build a space-borne factory capable of turning out the plates that will go into the Dyson Sphere's construction.

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Viceroy Ruogor Turncut, head of the Business Council's space division and highest ranking officer in the Imperial Fleet, stood in a room at the apex of a three hundred kilometer tall tower located at the north pole of the largest Imperial Worldship. Looking out across the vast expanse of armor and power spread out before him, it absolutely confounded him that even this astounding ship would be dwarfed in comparison to the station him and his descendents would be building over the next century and a half. He simply could not comprehend how something so big could even exist. Yes, stars were much larger than the Worldships, but even these monoliths of nature would pale in comparison to the sheer massiveness of the Dyson Sphere.

He shook his head to wipe the thoughts from his mind, then turned back away from the viewport he had been facing out of. He took a step and appeared in what seemed to be a different world. It might be disconcerting to anyone but Turncut himself, as he had had the system installed that caused this. You see, an area of white-noise was created in a thin sheet between the actual viewport and the rest of the Worldship's bridge. The sights and sounds of the bridge might overwhelm anyone moving from the utter silence of what was called the Observation Deck by most of the crew.

As the Viceroy 'returned' to the bridge, he was immediately assaulted with reports, "Sir, the Fourth Resource Wing reports that they have reached orbit around the system's second planet and have begun harvesting the surface gases", and, "Viceroy! Green Two-One-One reports a group communications breakdown and requests permission to return to Tau Ceti (Another one of the Worldships)". He shook his head again to clear the headache that always came to him whenever he made the transition to no noise to countless decibels of it.

"Lieutenant, confirm the Fourth's position and send them their assigned resupply, Petty Officer, grant Green Two-One permission to land on Tau Ceti and order Admiral Wheelers to get his best mechanics on fixing the comm systems. We need the entire Resource fleet on this job if we're to meet the deadline!", he said in a commanding voice that never failed to get instant results. A multitude of "Yessirs!" came back to him as he stalked over to his command chair, sat, and looked once more out upon the great stretch of the Worldship before him.

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We wish to know if this dyson sphere will have any enviornmental effect on the Earth. We are a fierce enviornmentalist nation and hope that there will be no backlash on the ecosystem due to this project.

Gaia, Spirit of The Earth, Leader of The Planeteers
Hope Island

Considering that the Republic is located in a completely different arm of the galaxy than the Earth that your nation is located on, no, no it will not have any effect on the Earth.

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When the Yard is done, the main project will be under way with the construction of the panels needed for the Sphere. It is expected to take up to 150 years and several star systems to completely build it. I am considering opening a strorefront/trading post to help in gathering materials.

The shipyard is complete, enough material has been gathered to begin construction on the panels. It is estimated that it will take roughly 150 years to complete the Sphere.

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3/150, almost done =P

Er, apparently, I missed a day, so 5/150.

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Apparently, I missed a day again.

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This project is impossible. here are just two reasons why it's impossible.

1. The size of your construct. It's laughable. 252 quadrillion square miles (assuming a standard format.), and that's surface area ALONE. You'd have to stripmine hundreds of systems to get that much material. And remember, most star systems don't actually have a lot in them. Then you need to have the correct resources. See, you may be able to convert the gases in a gas giant to the material you need, but you'll end up with far less resources. Also, the mass of the object, when finished, will be roughly twice that of the sun, if you follow a standard dyson format. Now given that the star will be in the centre of your sphere, all that extra mass will increase its gravity, increasing the pressure of the gases, increasing its temperature. Because of this, you'll need to build your dyson sphere further away just to stop it being instantly sterilised and fast-baked. Of course, this will mean you need much more resources, increasing the mass again. Increasing the pressure. Again. Increasing the temperature. Again. Which means you'll need to build it further away.

2. The length of time you're taking. 150 years? Are you kidding? My orbital, which I've been building for five rl months now (that's your project time, by the way, though you know that) still has another two months til completion, and its surface area is 28 million square km, not 252 quadrillion square miles.

It's a godmod.

*Pulls something out of Jordaxia's ass*

Hey guys, look, I found a stick.

So you are willing to spend all of the budget for this stupid little sphere?It's going to take much more longer than 150 years.What if someone attacks the construction yard and takes all the supplies.The red giant is 1.5 times a ship's size???????No, more lik 1,000,000 times it size maybe even more.Where do you plan on getting all these supplies too?

Also it is laughable

So you are willing to spend all of the budget for this stupid little sphere?It's going to take much more longer than 150 years.What if someone attacks the construction yard and takes all the supplies.The red giant is 1.5 times a ship's size???????No, more lik 1,000,000 times it size maybe even more.Where do you plan on getting all these supplies too?

All of my budget?

I'm a communo-meritocracy, don't have a budget. I only have people resources to work with.

And yes, the gas giantsof the system are 1.5 times larger than the Worldships. There are four worldships, they are half a millenium old, and I have older threads to back up that I have them.

And I plan on getting these supplies from stars throughout my space. My nation has been harvesting stars (And their solar systems) for material for almost a thousand years.

Lmao Rofl!

Yes, it is quite funny that we've got you, a brand new October '04 nation, thinking he can troll worth a damn.

Resources???Ppl wouldn't just say"Ok let's start building for nothing!"

this is a joke right???

-OOC-

Eh. I don't think its a godmod.

It's just a Really. Bad. Idea.

You'll basicly be leaving yourself open to attack. How? I mean, the sphere is armored and armed, right?

Shielding something like that will be a bitch, meaning you'll be protected by nothing but armor unless you want to use a lot of your energy projecting a large enough field. Granted, a lot of armors are quite good at defending, but some weapons...

Well, lets just say good friggin' luck.

Why don't you build a ring?It would seem more realistic.

No-one likes a troll, Arabians.

(although I realise that in retrospect, mine was borderline in a few cases. I don't see why I should accept it, mind, so I won't. But no hard feelings. You wrote it up very nicely, har har.)

-OOC-
Arabians was a spammy little twit and you know it, Jordaxia.

You were boarderline trolling, but you worded things in a reasonably intelligent manner. Like anyone above the third grade is supposed to be able to do.

You didn't multi-post, spam, or generally act like a jackass...

Why don't you build a ring?It would seem more realistic.


*sighs* no flameage here im suppurting this after all

-OOC-

Eh. I don't think its a godmod.

It's just a Really. Bad. Idea.

You'll basicly be leaving yourself open to attack. How? I mean, the sphere is armored and armed, right?

Shielding something like that will be a bitch, meaning you'll be protected by nothing but armor unless you want to use a lot of your energy projecting a large enough field. Granted, a lot of armors are quite good at defending, but some weapons...

Well, lets just say good friggin' luck.


Well the sphere's material would have to be trillions of trillions times stronger than structural steel to even exist. I think it's plenty well defended just by being there.

IE, I hope you realize your space would not remain hidden long... the DS would create such a Gravitational distortion on the STC...

This project is impossible. here are just two reasons why it's impossible.

1. The size of your construct. It's laughable. 252 quadrillion square miles (assuming a standard format.), and that's surface area ALONE. You'd have to stripmine hundreds of systems to get that much material. And remember, most star systems don't actually have a lot in them. Then you need to have the correct resources. See, you may be able to convert the gases in a gas giant to the material you need, but you'll end up with far less resources. Also, the mass of the object, when finished, will be roughly twice that of the sun, if you follow a standard dyson format. Now given that the star will be in the centre of your sphere, all that extra mass will increase its gravity, increasing the pressure of the gases, increasing its temperature. Because of this, you'll need to build your dyson sphere further away just to stop it being instantly sterilised and fast-baked. Of course, this will mean you need much more resources, increasing the mass again. Increasing the pressure. Again. Increasing the temperature. Again. Which means you'll need to build it further away.

2. The length of time you're taking. 150 years? Are you kidding? My orbital, which I've been building for five rl months now (that's your project time, by the way, though you know that) still has another two months til completion, and its surface area is 28 million square km, not 252 quadrillion square miles.

It's a godmod.


1. Since a Dyson Sphere is a sphere that is hollow, it will exert no gravitational force on the inside of the sphere. You'd only be affected by the sphere's gravity once you are outside of it's radius, which the star it surrounds is not. Ergo the star will be unaffected and you will artificial gravity on the inside surface, which IE has.

2. Do you expect IE to keep track of this thing for over a year RL jsut to make it more realistic. His time scale is fine.

IE, I hope you realize your space would not remain hidden long... the DS would create such a Gravitational distortion on the STC...

Not any more than a massive star. Considering that's most of the galaxy, it's not a problem.

-OOC-

Eh. I don't think its a godmod.

It's just a Really. Bad. Idea.

You'll basicly be leaving yourself open to attack. How? I mean, the sphere is armored and armed, right?

Shielding something like that will be a bitch, meaning you'll be protected by nothing but armor unless you want to use a lot of your energy projecting a large enough field. Granted, a lot of armors are quite good at defending, but some weapons...

Well, lets just say good friggin' luck.

First of all, I'd like to thank Xessmithia. Second of all, I'd like to address the shielding problem; I don't use energy shields for shielding, I use Variable Density Cold Plasma shields. All it requires is a magnetic field and a whole lot of gas. Note that I mentioned this in the very first post.

First of all, I'd like to thank Xessmithia. Second of all, I'd like to address the shielding problem; I don't use energy shields for shielding, I use Variable Density Cold Plasma shields. All it requires is a magnetic field and a whole lot of gas. Note that I mentioned this in the very first post.

You're welcome IE, I fully support this daunting yet cool project.

-OOC-
Yet you still have to project the big-

Eh, to hell with it.

Good luck, mate. I have a feeling you might need it.

In other words, IE, beware of one of Mekanta's dastardly tricks...

-OOC-
Yet you still have to project the big-

Eh, to hell with it.

Good luck, mate. I have a feeling you might need it.

As far as I know he has no shields on this thing at all as he doesn't need them. However if he were to use his plasma shield, which is a very plausible idea by the way, all we would need to do was set his plasma in various orbits of the sphere. No need to expend any more energy than was originally needed to place it in it's orbit.

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God mod? How is this a god mod? One this takes place 2000 years in the future and two, who his he harming by building it. Sure it may be impossable from todays standareds but look at some other nations. one had soldiers on top of dragons and fought in a war with them. No one called him a god modder. He just played as if it existed, so if this could be built and he builds it. Also if you destroy a planet (blowing up the core can do that) you can melt it down into a strong metal and use that for construction.

I'm against it mainly because it sets a precedent. Basically, what it allows (and I'm not saying that he will, because, as I can tell from his writing, he's a good RP'er) is him to say.

"I've got a dyson sphere. If I can build that, invincible and UTTERLY COLLOSAL fleets of warships would hardly be a difficult task."

I mean, the technologies required to hold the thing together, used as a ships armour, would make it nigh indestructible (the metal in question has to be 10,000 times harder than steel to stop it collapsing into the star) and the amount of resources you'd have to collect to build it in 150 years would be astronomical. It's not the dyson sphere I have a problem with, as it doesn't affect me or bother me in itself. (I think dyson spheres are pretty cool.)

It just sets a precedent for utter numberwanking, also for people who aren't IE.

(rar, I'm triple the size of IE! If he can assemble so much resources in such a small time, then I must be able to collect at least triple! and I have fleets of infinity billion warships! rowr!)

(after all, it's his choice to say whether he wants to build a dyson sphere or not, and, in the nature of the game, I can't say that he can't go ahead and say that. But it's my choice to decide that I don't want to RP with him on the basis that I don't believe it's something I'd like to encourage. (that of regularly constructing things that are measured in lightseconds. because we can. Also, I don't believe we can.)

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Questions:
1. Roughly how many AUs is it between the star and shell?

2. Although you have plans for an atmoshere; have you planed for the development of a magnetoshere?

3. What are your plans for internal pressures from solar wind, and build up of heat?

4. How you will keep the star from ever going super nova or developing into a black hole, also how will you limit the star from solar growth i.e. red giant or white dwarf?

Questions:
1. Roughly how many AUs is it between the star and shell?

2. Although you have plans for an atmoshere; have you planed for the development of a magnetoshere?

3. What are your plans for internal pressures from solar wind, and build up of heat?

4. How you will keep the star from ever going super nova or developing into a black hole, also how will you limit the star from solar growth i.e. red giant or white dwarf?

1. One AU, standard

2. It would be quite a (comparitively) easy task to put large cables under the surface of the sphere and use those as both power transportation and to generate magnetic fields.

3. Well, since heat could easily be absorbed into the power frame, that isn't very much of a problem. And since the magnetic fields generated by under-running cables would be similar to the magnetic field of the Earth, the solar winds and such related stellar phenomena wouldn't be a problem.

4. Well, one of the main criterion for chosing a system was chosing one which had an insufficient Schwarzchild (sp) radius to go supernova. The star in this system was once about the size of Sol, before it blew up to a Red Giant and finally settled down to the current Red Dwarf it is.

[OOC]: Maybe ye've already covered this, but I must ask, will this have any people living on the inside of it?

If so, how are you keeping the atmosphere in?

[OOC]: Maybe ye've already covered this, but I must ask, will this have any people living on the inside of it?

If so, how are you keeping the atmosphere in?

Yes, there will be people living in it, and the atmosphere will be kept on the inner surface the same way the people are: artificial gravity.

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1/10 done ^_^

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Missed yesterday, crazy day, though.

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Heh, almost missed today, too. I should stop hangin' out with college kids.

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1/6 done.

Ok, I'm reviving this nation. However, I've completely lost count, so suffice to say, this project will be done on the 28th of February, so mark that day.

"Sir, one of our scouts just discovered someone building a Dyson's Sphere," Orbez said.

"Did they solve the problem Dyson forgot to account for that causes a star to go nova millenia before it's time?" Enigma asked.

"From the report, it appears not. What do you want to do?" Orbez asked.

"Get their name and where they are from. That way, when they lose the sphere and possibly their entire civilization, we can have another one to add to the list of nations that demonstrated Einstein's Theory of Stupidity," Enigma said.

"Doing now. So, you up for some coffee?" Orbez asked.

"Of course. Watching nations exterminate themselves gets boring after awhile," Enigma said.

OOC: Wondering what the above is about? Check my factbook in my sig and look up Dyson's Logic. It used to be a Dyson's Sphere, but DLE has yet to ICly discover that.

If you wish, I can explain further what I mean later. Right now, need sleep.

OoC: It won't really be a problem for me, I chose a Red Dwarf so I wouldn't have to feed hydrogen into it. It's already gone nova, it just didn't have sufficient mass to recollapse into a supernova and a pulsar or anything. Right now it's working off inter-planetary hydrogen we're pushing into it. This should last for the next couple centuries, at which point we'll just dismantle younger stars and vaccuum the hydrogen into it.

OOC: In that case, just chalk up that post to national arrogance. That just shot up the long post I was about to make.

OoC: It's ok, sorry about the post, but were you being serious about your scout running across the project site? I just thought you were just choosing a cheeky way of pointing out a possible problem.

If so, I'd like to point out that anything that got within scanning range of the sphere and wasn't ID'ed as an allied vessel would be immediately disabled and towed back to Alpha Station. Afterall, it's been less than a hundred years since construction started, and even less since it has become noticable from lightyears away, meaning the light that has come off the construction site has only gone something like 100 light-years, well within what I consider Imperial Space.

OOC: I was serious. The scout should have had enough time to fire off sensor data before being disabled. Obviously, not enough time to get enough sensor data for an accurate reading of exactly what is going on.

OoC: Interesting...out of curiosity, what kind of FTL technology do you use? If it's gravity based, then I don't know how you could have gotten by perimeter scanning stations.

OoC: Interesting...out of curiosity, what kind of FTL technology do you use? If it's gravity based, then I don't know how you could have gotten by perimeter scanning stations.

OOC: Graviton jump drives. This case, using the old-fashioned method of, to use the metaphor, a cherrybomb beneath a trashcan for propulsion. Simple case of you would have easily noticed it, but unless my information is extremely bad (it sometimes is) stopping it would require it not being in FTL. Destroying it at those speeds... not a good idea. As you can imagine, DLE loses quite a few scouts.

If it turns out you have something that would stop a ship at those speeds without destabilizing the graviton field that keeps it from disintegrating, then it's a case of me being guilty of not doing my homework on this enough and the post being void.

3. Well, since heat could easily be absorbed into the power frame, that isn't very much of a problem. And since the magnetic fields generated by under-running cables would be similar to the magnetic field of the Earth, the solar winds and such related stellar phenomena wouldn't be a problem.


IF you create a sphere around the red dwarf, the solar wind is being completely contained. You plan on using the substructor of electric cables to generate a magnetic field to protect the inhabinants. At some point the contained solar winds should overpower your magnetic field. The sun is kicking out particles in every direction and the power needed to generate a magnetic containment field 1 AU in size would be huge. You would have to hold back the cumulative output of the sun compounded yearly. The only way I can see to prevent this is to vent it somehow.

Please understand, I am not trying to shoot your project down, just pointing out some possible problems to address.

is there any logical reason not to vent it? the exaust could be vented into the sheilding, reducing the problem of loss. or, in an emergency, it might make a pretty effective weapon, of corse, this would disrupt the day-night cycle a bit, but could easily be incorperated into the system, provided night is desired by the inhabitants.

OOC: Maybe set up on a regular cycle, it could form the day/night cycle. That solves two problems at the same time and saves some effort.

Ironically, my main problem was that it might have caused a supernova resulting in the formation of a black hole for a similar reason. The result would have ripped the sphere apart, potentially killing everyone before time dilation set in. That's what happened with Dyson's Logic. But with him choosing a star that already has gone through a nova, I doubt it's a worry anymore. All he has to do is make a couple of adjustments and look for a replacement star for when this one eventually burns out. And if he pulled it right with that star, using the above information and some experimentation he could induce a nova in it to replace this one.

IF you create a sphere around the red dwarf, the solar wind is being completely contained. You plan on using the substructor of electric cables to generate a magnetic field to protect the inhabinants. At some point the contained solar winds should overpower your magnetic field. The sun is kicking out particles in every direction and the power needed to generate a magnetic containment field 1 AU in size would be huge. You would have to hold back the cumulative output of the sun compounded yearly. The only way I can see to prevent this is to vent it somehow.

Please understand, I am not trying to shoot your project down, just pointing out some possible problems to address.

Actually, I was planning on having little "trap" areas where the underwiring wouldn't be present so the solar radiation would be collected there over time and pumped into the shielding.

Thank you to the others for the ideas, though, I will consider them.

I just imagined the pressure from the solar wind building in pressure until it overcame the magnetic field because of sheer volume and strength. It would not be a nice place to live after that happened.

Heh, that's why Man invented this wonderful thing called the pressure valve...

OOC: Megascale engineering. *drools*
A Dyson sphere would provide an insane amount of space, what are you going to do with it all? And how will the habitated areas be powered, solar power satilites? (I'm just curious, being a sci-fi geek and all).

Hey, shouldn't you be at least a third done with this thing by now? Oh, and, remember, if you need anything of the UFGZ, just ask. We want to earn our sliver of the DS.

Ok, I get the solar wind problem. And it's easily enough dealt with. But DLE, I don't get how you think a Dyson Sphere would would shorten the enclosed star's life span.

If you fed the escaped solar wind hydrogen ions back into the star at a reasonable rate you'd prolong the lifespan. And the mass of the DS wouldn't affect the star in any way becasue the DS shell would have no gravitational effect on the star.

And if you chose a young main-seguence star, especially a red dwarf like IE, you'd have several billion years before the star would become unsuitable.

Could you explain it more?

I just thought of something...

IE, why don't you make the DS capable of separating into four pieces? that way, when the star does eventually go Nova or burn out, you can relocate the DS.

You'd also probably wanna build Fold Drives into the DS sections, then...

Which I can provide...

And Xessmithia, the USF boards are up and running.

Wouldn't really be worth the trouble considering the huge amount of time it would take for me to be faced with any such problems. Heck, by then, this might merely be the first of many. I might even have abandoned it for the wonders of macrolife.

:mp5: :gundge: :sniper:

Ironically, by recounting a few things, I find I only need a few day's adjustment to have this thing finish on my birthday. What a present.

And it's done, I'll have a real topic up in a bit...

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