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ST-21 Next-Generation Battle Tank
Seventh Generation Main Battle Tank from the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc

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The ST-21 NGBT represents the future in mechanized warfare. Possessive of features and capabilities most other tanks lack, the ST-21 excels far past any comparable modern battle tank. From its impressive armament to its impenetrable defense and from its crew-safe interior to its rough exterior, the ST-21 NGBT is the true future of modern armored warfare. In fact, this vehicle is so advanced it can fire on up to three different targets at the same (only limited by crew; by using the rear-mounted bank of laser/infrared beacon-guided missiles and by either using the main gun or ATGM tubes).

-Specifications-
Height- 3.4 meters
Length- 8.2 meters
Width- 3.7 meters

Fuel capacity- 223 gallons (45 gallon reserve included)
Range- 769 kilometres

Obstacle-transversal height: 1.3 meters
Fording depth- 2 meters (without snorkel) 3.8 meters (with snorkel)

Weight- 74 tons

Crew- 3 (driver, gunner, commander)

Engine- SB-NTHMTE-E11 1550 horsepower, turbocharged diesel engine

Transmission- SB-ANTIVT-T16: Infinitely Variable Transmission- Version 16
Speed-
Off road- 45 mph maximum (Dependent on conditions, terrain, vehicle condition)
Road speed- 48 mph maximum

Armor:
Liable to change*
1st layer (outer layer)- AERA-II 3rd Generation ERA (advanced explosive reactive armor)
2nd layer- SB-ANTA- 6 inch layer of honeycombed titanium, solid titanium, kevlar/ceramics layer, and steel along with High-Density Plastic Material (a dense plastic composite that is far stronger than steel)
*AERA-II 3rd generation ERA is a double layer ERA system with ERA blocks roughly 3 inch thick and a 25 sq. inch. area with twin layers meaning at every block there are actually 2 layers that can detonate, depending on threat level*

With the AERA-II 3rd Gen. ERA system, the primary layer ignites outwards with the second layer following behind after a certain time-delay nearly doubling the effectiveness of the system. The primary layer ignites when a proximity sensor/network detects an object with projectile-like movement coming towards the tank, then using an onboard supercomputer it quickly calculates the variables of tank speed, tank heading, projectile speed, projectile heading, wind, weather and projectile altitude to determine where the projectile is to hit... Upon finishing the calculations (with plenty of seconds to spare before the round hits), the computer activates a 3-5 ERA block area (made of primary layers) to ignite at a set time with the second layer following after. An auxilary system, although not as effective, works to ignite the ERA blocks upon contact with a high-speed projectile...

The ST-21s armor now incorporates a layer of boronated plastic as well as a layer of carbon elements (same as found in fuel, but this is not flammable). This prevents radiation from entering the vehicle from normal nuclear blasts and heavily reduces radiation entering from neutron weapon attacks (at set ranges), meaning the crew is more likely to survive, as is the tank.




Close-In Defense System

The ST-21 NGBT also utilises something radically new for an ARSB tank, a close-in defense weapon. Mounted within a rotating dome to the rear of the turret, are explosive packs (roughly the size of a grenade) with a heavy presence of fragmenting substance including steel, cast iron, etc. When an incoming enemy missile is detected, a hydrualic system moves the dome to face the incoming missile, at a set time a single pack is launched using a compressed air system (running from an air compressor in the rear of the tank). The pack contains a small computer (variable time detonator) that detonates at a set time (determined by the mother computer) spraying the area with a small explosive blast and shrapnel that will either redirect the missile, destroy it, incapacitate it (loss of guidance), or damage it the point it loses effectiveness against the tank.

The system also doubles as anti-infantry weapon, capable of wiping out infantry within its maximum distance of flight (800 meters). The system can also be used against unarmored vehicles and some lightly armored vehicles and even against tanks to blind their fire control systems by hitting them with a wall of shrapnel. The entire CIDS, designated TDS-MQ-50, contains a total of fifteen of these packs.


ARMAMENT
145 mm SB-NTC Electro-Thermal Cannon :The projectile is loaded into the barrel, behind which there is a "propellant", which is a dot of light metal (solid or liquid). A powerful electromagnetic force is applied to the metal, which causes its atoms to "switch" directions. This happens so violently that the metal turns to plasma, and this expanding gas then drives the projectile forward. Since the cannon is built into a turret, it can rotate 360-degrees and can aim upwards 32 degrees and -7 degrees. Around the firing mechanism and the barrel is enclosed in the SB-AHAS Heat-absorbing and dissipating shroud which absorbs the heat and dissipates it over a wide area. This cannon can easily destroy most main battle tanks at ranges out to 5.4 miles with diminishing effects thereafter (less effective, less damage).
Range (maximum with conventional ammunition): 10.2 miles. Effective range: 5.4 miles
Rounds stored: 6 on autoloader system ready-rack, 16 on autoloader re-loader belt, and 20 stored rounds

The cannon is stabilised on double axis' and can fire on the move.

Rate of Fire: 16 rounds per minute with autoloader and a variable 14-17 rounds per minute with a manual loader (depending on skill and experience)

Ammunition- Can effectively use any type of ammunition (in 145mm) as long as the round's own propellant (and casing) is removed (this includes ball-type, discarding sabot, HE, DU, tungsten, etc.). The cannon also fires barrel-fired ATGMs or other missiles.

New Round- SSJPSR (Secondary SCRAMJET-powered Sabot Round)
The SSJPSR (or JASPER) round is an enhanced depleted uranium sabot round with a SCRAMJET built into the the sabot, when a small onboard computer detects a target at a certain range (or timed), the SCRAMJET can ignite and propel the round two or three times its normal speed to enhance destruction against an enemy unit.
Also new-
The ERAPSR (ERA-Penetrating Sabot Round)- This round utilises a heavy rod with two charges on each end... When a small on board computer senses an ERA exploding, the first charge is lit, nearly making the ERA useless, then the rod penetrates the armor, and second explosive, after a sensor has detected impact, will wait for a time period before igniting.



Next Generation Auto-Loader

The ST-21 NGBT maintains the perfected TL-M-50 auto-loader. This autoloader does not require the cannon to be brought down to a horizontal position but instead follows the cannon up and uses a variable drive assembly system to load the shell into the cannon's chamber at any elevation. This auto-loader only has a ready-rack of about six rounds which is then fed by a 'chain-link drive' to the ammunition storage compartment. Each time a shell is fired and one is loaded into the weapon, the armored partition (between the ammo storage compartment and interior of turret) opens, a hydraulic arm pushes the shell onto a 'plate' which then runs the shell to the auto-loader ready-rack. The auto-loader can also load a barrel-fired ATGM providing that a crew member put the weapon on the rack and designate its firing properties.




Secondary Weapons

Advanced Modular Turret Armament System-
This system allows a WIDE range of weapons to be mounted in an easily changeable format at the gunner's hatch opening and the commander's hatch opening. Multiple mount systems allow 7.62mm MGs, .50 MGs (AA), 25mm cannons, and 20mm grenade launchers to be easily mounted in a cupola or on a 3 position joint (pivot, up-down, side to side). The following weapons can be added, one at the commander's position, and one at the gunner's position. Or all of the weapons can be mounted to cover a VAST array of duties.

EMTAS 25mm autocannon- mounted alongside (or on top; can be easily removed and placed in a special cupola) main gun and can fire along with the main gun (whether or not its alongside or on top of the turret. This cannon can also be fitted into a remote-controlled turret along with a coaxial 7.62mm LMG that can be controlled by the gunner or commander and is linked to the tanks fire control system even though it has its own infrared and low-light targetting systems.

NSVK 12.7 mm anti-aircraft cannon

PKT 7.62mm MG

AG-39 20mm Fully Automatic Grenade Launcher

Other weaponry-
7.62mm and 25mm auto-cannon coaxial cannon
10 smoke grenade launchers/ 81mm mortar


Integrated Modular Side-Turret Weaponry Mount System-
This system is a series of slides and pivot joints to allow for the addition of multiple weapons to the side of the turret, those weapons are as follows:

.50 MG (AA)
Any higher-caliber AA Cannons (up to two on each side)
ATGM missiles
ATGM missile pods
LOSAT (Line of Sight- Anti-Tank)-tubes
Unguided rocket pods
SAM Missile Pods
Sensor equipment
Communications equipment


NEW!Rear Turret Weapons System
The RTWS is a bank of weaponry that can be mounted on the rear of the turret. The foremost of these systems is the MGL-56D missile launch system. The system includes an armored 'bank' of a dozen laser-guided munitions. The bank is hydraulically lifted or tilted (its default setting is tilted at a fifty degree angle). If a target is chosen, the gunner illuminates a target with a laser or infrared beacon and fires a missile. The missile locks onto the infrared beacon (which can be set at a certain infrared wavelength [usually towards the end of the infrared spectrum that is hardest to create using flares, heat, etc.]) or laser and maneuvers toward the target, even being able to change course (assuming target is far enough away). The ATGMs fired are a variant of the ATM-7B anti-tank missile with their guidance system replaced with an infrared beacon/laser locator. Some of these missiles are modified to carry grenades (releasing grenades over a target) or a down-ward facing shrapnel round for engaging enemy infantry lines. The laser designators and infrared beacons are located on two small rotating turrets that can be used together or independently to target two different vehicles (commander targetting one, gunner targetting the other) and firing two missiles at the same time. This system can also use surface to air missiles. The ATGMs used can also be used against helicopters or low-flying aircraft.

A computer data-link links the designator system to any 'defense-net' (massive communication/computer system to all of a nation's defense/offense forces) meaning the laser designator/infrared beacon on the tank can designate enemy targets for aerial bombardment or even cruise missile strikes.

Also, standard ATGMs can be mounted to the rear of the turret.



SYSTEMS-

3ADS (ARQ-690)- All-Around Advanced Defense System- This system is a series of infrared, IRST, millimetric wave radars, and flat panel directive wave radar systems designed to give the commander an all-around view of the tank and anything within its viewing range. The system utilizes these modes of detection located in many different 'banks' of sensors which are usually armor protected. The system is connected to a threat identification computer as well as a fire control computer (which is then linked to the AEISCN or Soviet Bloc DefenseNet) giving the commander and gunner the ability to fire on targets while watching targets on the sides and rear (which can be miles away but being detected using another tank's sensors) and even fire on those targets using ATGMs or firing the cannon in a way resembling artillery.


ALMRS/TTAC-09 Mk. V system: Tracks up to 90 enemies and ranks them according to range, heading, threat level, and tank-type to provide best possible firing solution. Also computes MOA and other variables and automatically sets turret and barrel to correct heading (when this feature is engaged) and can fire on up to two targets simultaneously (assuming ATGM's are on their respectable slides). Also tracks and targets enemy targets at up to 500 ft. altitude and up to 30 miles away (Depending on weather conditions, terrain, and other factors).

SB-AFCS-S1 system: This advanced fire control system allows for the ST-21 to engage moving targets while the ST-21 is on the move. The barrel will always remain aimed at target while tank is in motion and will not waiver even over small hills, dips, bumps, and other obstructions. The barrel will always target enemy unit unless commander targets a new target or disengages system. The SB-AFCS-S1 system will continually track all targets and align barrel to fire on the target even if the target is on the move, the barrel will constantly update and move with the target while computing wind, weather, and MOA abilities for the best possible accuracy. The barrel will move on two different axis'. The commander's station is outfitted with nightvision capabilities, infrared capabilities, radar tracking capabilities (if an EW, radar aircraft, or radar station is near and able to send information), and advanced targetting systems. The commander's station is also outfitted with a periscope with nightvision, infrared capabilities, and a computerized screen to locate targets if they are obscured. Coupled with this system is the ALRS (Advanced Laser Range-finder System) which utilizes a laser rangefinder with a triple layer screen with crystals at different angles to scatter any enemy lasers that are attempting to disable the rangefinder. The rangefinder laser passes through a roughly 3mm hole in the screen.

SB-AMWRS-01- Millimetric wave radar

ARENA Mk. II: Scrambles enemy ATGM's radars and tracking systems. Also interferes with all ATGM tracking systems and/or other guided weapons' systems. Can also interfere with enemy tanks' tracking systems, including tracking, information distribution, infrared, and other systems.

Shtora-3 defense suite: Scrambles enemy laser rangefinder, making it nearly impossible for enemy tank to fire, unless they guess the range. Also scrambles enemy communications systems and tracking systems. Also interferes with enemy laser-based systems and laser-type weapons by using a controlled beam of ultraviolet rays to scatter the laser (communications systems, weapons systems, rangefinder systems).
*Note- The Shtora-3 system can be seen on the very top picture, directly above the cannon, well, at least the emitter portion.*

AEISCN-03: Shares target information with other friendly tanks in the field along with other information, also allows friendly tanks in large numbers to make coordinated attacks through out the battlefield. Also allows friendly tanks to instantly reorganize into new squadrons and divisions for new assaults and also relays all information back to command. This system also checks in every 2 minutes (or shorter; can be adjusted) with GPS and military satellites to update terrain and enemy movements [A total of 14 ARSB satellites aid this and can pinpoint location with an accuracy of 30 feet). Also takes updated information and relays it to the commander's screen which displays all friendly tanks, enemy tanks, standing orders, enemy formations, buildings, objects, and other environmental objects. Coupled with this system is the SB-LRRCS (Long-range Radio communications set) with a range of roughly 450 miles.

NBC System SB-CAP-1 - This NBC system protects against nuclear, biological, and chemical threats as well as seal of the internal areas of the tanks from the outer environment, relying on an SB-AIR-M air recycling and cleaning unit to provide breathable oxygen to the tank's crew.

Periscope systems- Twin periscopes (commander periscope mentioned before)- Gunner periscope is outfitted with infrared technology, night vision tech, and the AEISCN-01 system (which shows enemy units based on satellite and aircraft intelligence or intel from other friendly ground untis). Also, on both periscopes is an active recording/viewable video camera (that can record or display in infrared, low light, night vision, millimetric radar or with computer-added symbols [arrows, boxes; to display locations of enemy units, friendly units, obstacles])



Modular Construction

Its been proven that the more technologically advanced something gets, the more it breaks down. This cannot be helped as there are far too many things that can malfunction. However, the ST-21's designers took this to heart to create a modular tank. Each 'sub-system' is independent of each other and in the event something malfunctions it can be removed within minutes and replaced (providing the correct logistical support is nearby). Its engine is mounted on a sliding mechanism that can slide out and stay suspended in the air (on its rails) and be serviced in that position (giving the repairers the ability to repair anything on the tank and not just the visible portion [as would be on a conventional tank] or in a maintenance shop). The engine compartment was designed to be pulled out with little assistance. Four men can accomplish it. The engine itself is even modular, composed of eight distince 'pieces' which can be easily removed and replaced. The suspension is its own sub-system as is the drive train. The transmission is its own subsystem composed of three modular sections. The turret can be removed with little effort. The commander's section and its computers are all designed for easy replacement as is every other notable feature of this tank.

The average field service time for this tank (a complete field overhaul [in ARSB's standards] is the replacement of the following: engine, transmission, drive-train, track system, ERA panels, and the driver compartment) is now at a record time: 36 minutes. Of course, this is providing that you have the logistical power to do this. If you have little logistical support for an advancing armor group, then don't expect the modularity of this tank to help too much. But if you have strong supply lines, great logistical support, and efficient maintenance personnel, then you'll be able to watch as a burnt out hull of a tank is returned to active duty in a little over half an hour.





Other notes: The ST-21 can carry two or three assault rifles inside the turret (or other smaller weapons).

Survivability- Enhanced frame, strenghtened braces, low radar signature (due to absorbant materials coating outer layer of armor), low heat signature (Using SB-AHAS [see SB-NTC cannon]), low visual signature (low height, fairly narrow).

Enhanced survivability- Advanced Tread-Runner Protection Armor (Side skirts that cover the runners and other components of the track system), arched bottom to aid in mine resistance

Ergonomical features- Engine based heater (for winter), Central air cooling system or underside-opening vents for fresh air, heated seats, defoggers, dehumidifier (to reduce moisture in air and reduce condensation inside turret), low-noise fans, ergonomically-placed lights





Cost: 6.8 million USD; 6 million USD for allies

Bump, come on?

Comments? Questions? Criticism? Anything?

OOC - Wow.. I'm impressed.. very impressed..

IC -

The Dominion wishes to purchase ten ST-21 Next Generation Battle Tanks for thorough testing. A sum of sixty eight million dollars ($68,000,000) shall be wired upon confirmation.

Joseph Semmings
Minister of Finance

Weight- 59 tons

NEW!Rear Turret Weapons System

145 mm SB-NTC Electro-Thermal Cannon


Who you kiddin' guvner? This thing is seriously underweight, unless you made the armor out of paper.

I have to agree with Axis Nova about the weight. Considering what you've stacked into this thing, it'd be "heavy" main battle tank.

At 59 tons, it is lighter than the M1 Abrams, Challenger II and Leopard II.

Who you kiddin' guvner? This thing is seriously underweight, unless you made the armor out of paper.

True.. that's the only thing that caught my eye.. with all the armor and extensive armaments, I would have put the weight at around 72-80 tons.

But the armament is impressive nonetheless.

Yeah, I accidentally screwed up the weight, its supposed to be 74 tons. I used the specs of a previous tank as a template and accidentally skimmed over the weight.

Anyways, the order for ten ST-21 NGBTs has been confirmed. The ten units will be shipped immediately from current stockpiles.

Irigrium is interested in a purchase of this tank, as our current MBT is in dire need of replacing. With only a small economy and army, the Irigrium Armed Forces will only require three (3) tanks to begin with. If there we feel the need to purchase more, rest assured that I will telegram immediately.

The defence department shall wire the 20,400,000 USD as soon as we recieve confirmation that our order has been recieved.

The three units will be sent immediately along with nine additional units. The twelve tanks will be outfitted with full armaments and munitions and numerous crates of extra ammunition will be sent. If more tanks wish to be purchased, we would be willing to set up a payment plan. Thank you for the order.

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Update on ST-21:

The ST-21, pending research and trials, may receive a new, unconventional engine design. The engine is still under development but may significantly improve the ST-21's efficiency and operating power.

How do you power the main gun? Last time I tried to stick a thermal-electric gun on one of my tanks, everyone screamed 'godmod! its future tech!111111'

You sure about the max speed of 69 mph = 110 km per hour?

The Leopard II can manage 72 km/h, the M1 Abrams does 41.5 mph (66 km/h). The Sheridan (light tank) manages 45 mph and the British Scorpion 72 km/h.

Official Statement from Red Tide
"Very interesting! How much for the plans... with some modifications we should be able too replace its current engine with our fission engine."
END STATEMENT!

Kriegorgrad is once more, absolutely stunned by the sheer ingeniuty and skill of Soviet Bloc designers. Kriegorgrad would like to purchase 100 of these tanks outright and then purchase production rights. Also, would Kriegorgrad fall under the list of allies? Or the list of unknowns?

Having a small history with Soviet Bloc, we hope we fall under the former.

the 600/680 million will be wired when order is confirmed.

OOC- Woohoo! Soviet Bloc officially turns one year old today (October 1st).

Yes, yes, I know. I wish I would've spent at least another day ironing out a few things. I will admit it is filled with a few mistakes (as I said earlier, I used a previous [experimental] tank design as a template). I'll probably end up changing its specs in the future.

As for the power system, it doesn't take that much electricity to turn metal into plasma. A capacitor/battery system creates sufficient energy needed to do so (also drawing from the motor and a series of generators connected to each non-driving wheel that spins). Just think of it in terms of a plasma torch, that takes 240 volts (in some cases 120volts) and turns it into 250 amps with sufficient voltage to create a plasma state to cut through metal.
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Otherwise, Kriegorgrad, your order has been confirmed. You are considered an ally of Soviet Bloc and therefore will receive the discount. Production right costs have yet to be determined but they will be granted when we finalize the cost. Fifty tanks will be sent immediately from current stores while the remaining fifty will be built and shipped over the next year.

Red Tide2, your request will be considered but we have not finalized the cost for production rights. When they are finalized we will decide upon a decision on your request for prod. rights.

The Commonwealth of Hirgizstan wishes to congratulate the ARSB on one of the best tank designs to date.

We'll take: 20450

120.270 Billion USD ($)

Thank you.

-COH-

Your order has been confirmed. We will begin production immediately and the units will be shipped as they are completed. Thank you for the order.

Bump.

Official USSCR Statement:
The USSCR is interested in production rights. AMDG

The ARSB has finalized the production rights cost to be $4 Billion USD and, after consideration, all parties that have requested production rights so far have been confirmed. The following will be granted the ST-21's prod. rights:

Kriegorgrad
Red Tide2
Communist Rule


The plans will be sent as soon as possible. Thank you for purchasing the production rights to this vehicle.

We are willing to buy production rights of the St-21 MBT.

Alright, confirmed. The production rights will be sent immediately. Thank you for the purchase.


*We reserve the right to terminate production rights at any time.*

The nation of Tylinoa would like to purchase 1000 of the st-21 tanks, we shall wire the 20 million dollars right away



Defense Minster of Tylinoa: Mark Bringham

Unfortunately, we're going to have to deny your order. You are far too young to afford 1000 of these tanks (actual cost comes to 6.8 Billion USD). We are willing to work out a lesser number of tanks that you can afford or set up an affordable payment plan.

My apologies can i buy 20 tanks

Alright, much better. Confirmed. The tanks will be shipped immediately. Thank you for the order.

Slaytanicca would like to buy ten of your tanks for testing purposes. Sixty-eight million dollars will be wired on confirmation.

Alright, confirmed. The ten tanks will be shipped immediately from current stockpiles. Thank you for the purchase and enjoy your tanks.

I am receiving very favourable reports on this tank, and as such I would like to order a further 13 of these fine vehicles.

Due to budget restraints, this will be the limit of our spending on this particular model.

88 400 000 USD will be wired upon confirmation.

Very well, your order is confirmed and the units will be shipped immediately from units placed in storage. Thank you for the order and enjoy the tanks.

We thank Soviet Bloc once more for it's generosity, not many nations would lavish a tank this well made on the world. We have pondered your offer and after roughly 10 minutes, 4 billion Kriegs was taken from the Health, Educational and Social Welfare departments and transferred into the Military's account, before being wired to you.

This tank will stand at the fore of Kriegorgrad's armies, a symbol of power and domination.

OOC: Soz, just in an over-the-top mood. Thx for the rights + tanks.

The Soviets Goverment will buy 200 ST-21 for $1.3 Billion

We would like to order 1,000. I believe the price comes to 68,000,000,000.

Both orders are confirmed. SU, the two hundred units will be built and shipped over the next five years. NZ, your 1000 units will be built and shipped over the next 25 years. Thank you for the purchase...

UPDATED (This was present before but some items were added to it):

Rear Turret Weapons System
The RTWS is a bank of weaponry that can be mounted on the rear of the turret. The foremost of these systems is the MGL-56D missile launch system. The system includes an armored 'bank' of a dozen laser-guided munitions. The bank is hydraulically lifted or tilted (its default setting is tilted at a fifty degree angle). If a target is chosen, the gunner illuminates a target with a laser or infrared beacon and fires a missile. The missile locks onto the infrared beacon (which can be set at a certain infrared wavelength [usually towards the end of the infrared spectrum that is hardest to create using flares, heat, etc.]) or laser and maneuvers toward the target, even being able to change course (assuming target is far enough away). The ATGMs fired are a variant of the ATM-7B anti-tank missile with their guidance system replaced with an infrared beacon/laser locator. Some of these missiles are modified to carry grenades (releasing grenades over a target) or a down-ward facing shrapnel round for engaging enemy infantry lines. The laser designators and infrared beacons are located on two small rotating turrets that can be used together or independently to target two different vehicles (commander targetting one, gunner targetting the other) and firing two missiles at the same time. This system can also use surface to air missiles. The ATGMs used can also be used against helicopters or low-flying aircraft.

A computer data-link links the designator system to any 'defense-net' (massive communication/computer system to all of a nation's defense/offense forces) meaning the laser designator/infrared beacon on the tank can designate enemy targets for aerial bombardment or even cruise missile strikes.

Also, standard ATGMs can be mounted to the rear of the turret in place of the system.

Thank you for trading with us. We are so far very impressed with your wonderful tanks. We are soon to be modernizing our armed forces, but for the moment feel it would be wisest to put much of our money into R&D and developement of our own producion capabilities.
To this end we will not be making another order with you. However, we would be honoured if you sold us the production rights for the ST-21.
Many thanks.

After a short amount of discussion, we have decided to sell Slaytanicca the production rights to the ST-21. The plans, diagrams, and schematics will be shipped as soon as the payment is received.

*Money wired*

We thank you kindly for this trade. The tanks will be produced by Slaytanic Aeropace Industries, Psychodyne Systems and Fjord Motors Slaytanicca, who are currently building what will be the largest automobile plant in Slaytanicca with help from government subsidies. You are cordially invided to meet with the directors of these companies, and tour the factories if you wish.

We have recieved yet more enthusiastic reports of your tanks from the testing grounds. We anticipate the ST-21 to become the workhorse heavy battletank of the Slaytanic army.

Once again, we thank you for the order.

As for the tour, we must decline but, nonetheless, we must thank you for the offer. Between current production, international tours, and the possible entrance of sales and executive staff into an upcoming 'air show' (it also encompasses land vehicles, etc.), we would have little to no time, however, if any time does present itself, we will tour the facilities.

We are glad to hear of the favorable reports and we hope you enjoy the units as your primary main battle tank.

OOC: An excellent tank, although perhaps a little cheap and the SCRAMjet round is not as great as everyone says it is...

OOC- Yeah, I know its a little cheap but too late to change it now (well, not really). Anyways, about the SCRAMjet round, I have never used one in combat and don't plan to. I know of its drawbacks, but, everyone's obsessed with them so why not give them a SCRAMjet round when they buy the tank. Marketing... I love it.

Bump.

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The LRRA would like to purchase 100 of these vehicles to supplement the mediocre tank force.

After all, who's Iron Blood going to go after? The MBTs closing from the flanks or the APCs ten kilometers away?

But I think I have some good ways of defeating those point-defense systems. Most of them involve artillery rockets...

But yeah, we don't plan these vehicles to be used as cannon fodder for the GT-6...

*looks not-suspicious*

Lol, okay then. Your order is accepted and the vehicles will be built and shipped over the next year and a half.

Otherwise, yes, with enough projectiles, point defense won't help much. That's why I have the laser guided/infrared beacon guided ATGMs. They can skim low (if wanted [pending terrain]) below the reach of their CIWS and strike anyplace from the driver compartment, to the tracks, to the engine compartment. A stationary enemy tank won't last long under sustained fire.

The LRRA tactic is to fire ATGMs from long ranges, along with artillery rockets, and hope some hit.

After all, in LRR terrain, either you're on the Steppes where ATGMs and aetillery rockets have clear flight paths for many kilometers, or you're in the forests or mountains where tanks are channeled into corridors which can be attacked easily with high-trajectory ATGMs and artillery rockets, as well as anti-tank guns.

The LRRA uses two types of ATGMs. The very long range AGM-114 IIs, with a 12km range and fire-and-forget capability, are generally mounted on T-SEP tank destroyers, attack helicopters, and sometimes towed launchers. The missile itself is reasonably advanced, and can be used in either a high-trajectory top attack, in which the missile locks itself onto a target, either through an infra-red signature or active enemy radar, or a low-altitude trajectory (in which the missile range is reduced 3-4km) in which the missile aquires its target in a similar fashion as the high-trajectory, but is less visible to jamming and CIWS systems.

The other missile system used by the LRRA is the Spike series ATGM. It is generally mounted on lighter vehicles such as Bv-206TR carriers, BRDM-2 series armored cars, and plain APC variants of the T-SEP. The ER version has a range of 8km, and is mounted on the above stated platforms, while the LR and other variants are generally carried by infantry. The Spike is also a fire-and-forget platform, and this allows the carrier vehicle, usually not as well-equipped to deal with tanks as larger IFVs, to hastily turn tail in the event of a miss, and allows infantry teams to escape return fire from coax MGs.

However, the LRRA has recently been trying to use more artillery systems in its anti-tank defensive force. Artillery rocket systems such as the R-112SF2 112mm anti-tank launcher, with a range of up to 16 kilometers, can be mounted quickly and cheaply on LRR modular APCs, and can be used for a wide range of tasks, including anti-tank support. The advantage of an unguided system is that the rockets are impervious to jamming, and can distribute submunitions, allowing one rocket to hit several tanks.

Bump.

Bump.

Hey, SB, are there production liscences available?

Perhaps we could do a little trade.

Tylinoa would like to purchase 100 ST-21 tanks 680,000,000 USD will be confirmed on conformation.




Mark Bringham,
Head Ministry of Defense
The Federation of Tylinoa

Production rights, please. Money wired on confirmation.

yes i would like ten of your tanks

The gratefull nation of Delancy would like to purchase:
4 -ST-21 Next-Generation Battle Tanks
please :)

LRR, yes, yes they are. We will issue unlimited production rights for $4 Billion USD.

Tylinoa, your order is confirmed. The tanks will be built and shipped over a period of one year.

Jaxusism, you will be granted production rights for $4 Billion USD.

Greganolia, Delancy, due to the small orders, both of your orders will be fulfilled immediately from current stockpiles and will be free. They will also be shipped along with pallets of ammunition for the main gun and auxilary weapons. ATGMs and other weapons will not be included with the purchase.

Thank you for the orders.

i need 10 tasnks

Yes. And they will be sent immediately. Expect them to arrive within the next NS week.

Money wired.

Some how, I am not suprised by the ingenuity of Soviet Bloc designers. After all, the C-320 is currently preforming far past our expections. Triancia would like to purchase production rights for the going rate, and order ten tanks immedatily for testing purposes. The amount of 4 Billion, 62 million will be wired on on the receival of the equipment and plans.

Regards,
Robert Wernick, Triancian Secretary of Defense.

I have 400 ST-09 NGBTs in my inventory and 1,400 ST-11 NGBTs. Perhaps I can retire 400 of my ST-11s and the 400 ST-09s in favor of 800 ST-21s?

Would you want me to send these to you or just dispose of them?

So @ $6M for the ST-21 that is a total of $4.8B.

Triancia, your order has been confirmed. The ten units will be shipped immediately from current inventories, the production rights will also be forwarded immediately. We look forward to future business with your nation.

Layarteb, that will work. If you return the 800 mentioned ST-11s and ST-09s, we will reduce the price of the 800 ST-21s to $2.4 billion USD furthermore decreased to $2 Billion USD due to your TOA discount. You will be getting one helluva deal. Anyways, we thank you for the order, the tanks will be shipped over a period of 6-8 years with an initial shipment of 40 ST-21s from current inventories.

The Omzian Army, reviewing the specifications of the Soviet Bloc ST-21 main battle tank system, finds such tank to be highly capable to operate along with the heavier T-7 tanks in Omzian service, under the program to replace the current Omzian battle tanks in most armored divisions (although we will consider this for mechanized infantry divisions as well). As we express our strong interest for this tank, we would like to inquire if a order of a total of 24 tanks could be made for the ST-21. As these tanks will go under intensive testing against other tanks of both its class and the current Omzian tanks in service under a high threat environment, if the tank has won the "competition", we will place a large order for this system.

As the base cost is determined to be around $144 million for a total of 24 tanks, we anticipate that the funds will be wired in 12 portions of about $12 million each within a period of 1-2 month(s), once the order has been approved by the Soviet Bloc arms contractor.

Triancia, your order has been confirmed. The ten units will be shipped immediately from current inventories, the production rights will also be forwarded immediately. We look forward to future business with your nation.

Layarteb, that will work. If you return the 800 mentioned ST-11s and ST-09s, we will reduce the price of the 800 ST-21s to $2.4 billion USD furthermore decreased to $2 Billion USD due to your TOA discount. You will be getting one helluva deal. Anyways, we thank you for the order, the tanks will be shipped over a period of 6-8 years with an initial shipment of 40 ST-21s from current inventories.

Sounds good to me...it's a done deal.

Omz222, your order for 24 tanks to be used in testing has been confirmed. The twenty-four units will be shipped immediately from current inventories. The payment plan is also accepted.

We would also like to know how our vehicles compare to others in this competition in order to locate and repair possible flaws, etc. and to provide general information for future vehicles.

Thank you for the order and we hope you enjoy the vehicles.

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I'd like to add another 200 ST-21s to that order of mine. What would that add to the price?

LRR, yes, yes they are. We will issue unlimited production rights for $4 Billion USD.

Tylinoa, your order is confirmed. The tanks will be built and shipped over a period of one year.

Jaxusism, you will be granted production rights for $4 Billion USD.

Greganolia, Delancy, due to the small orders, both of your orders will be fulfilled immediately from current stockpiles and will be free. They will also be shipped along with pallets of ammunition for the main gun and auxilary weapons. ATGMs and other weapons will not be included with the purchase.

Thank you for the orders.

Ok, 4 billion it is, then.

Layarteb, another 200 will only cost you $800 million USD.

LRR, confirmed, they will be sent immediately. Thank you for the order and we hope you enjoy the vehicles.

$800M works for me. Wired good sir.

I now have a total of 5,150 MBTs in my army and another 2,560 in my special forces.

3,640 M1B1 Abrams II
2,070 M2006A1 Emperor
1,000 ST-11 NGBT
1,000 ST-21 NGBT

Yes, selling the M1A2 Abrams stocks are great. The M1B1 is much better and my M2006A1 is a fantastic weapon system. MM MM good!!!

Alright, thank you much, enjoy the tanks.

Yes, your tank roster looks very impressive. I'll have to get an official tally of what I have in my military (tanks and other armor vehicles).

Yes, well I have a massive population and with it a massive military. It's unfortunate though that I cannot have more tanks. Mobility is key. At this rate, I can mobilize quite a large number, deploy them effectively, and still maintain enough at home to defend against an invasion of significant strength.

Bump.

I now have a total of 5,150 MBTs in my army and another 2,560 in my special forces.

3,640 M1B1 Abrams II
2,070 M2006A1 Emperor
1,000 ST-11 NGBT
1,000 ST-21 NGBT

Yes, selling the M1A2 Abrams stocks are great. The M1B1 is much better and my M2006A1 is a fantastic weapon system. MM MM good!!!

Just FYI, I think russia has around 9,700 T-72s alone, going by 2015 force projections, and I claim at least that many tanks. Yours are probably a bit more advanced, but, just FYI.

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Yeah the Russians during the Cold War had in excess of 10,000 MBTs, the full figures I don't have. Thereby the only way to defeat them was with tactical nuclear weapons. Hell, 10,000 MBTs vs. 10x 100KT bombs = bombs...

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[Actually, the Soviets had something like 35,000 MBTs. However, only 8,000 were truly front-line MBTs, another ten thousand were second-line, and the rest were complete cannon-fodder. Also, keep in mind the during the '80s the latest generation of M-60 was more than a match for front-line Soviet tanks, never mind the real beasts like the Abrams and Challenger 2.]

[Actually, the Soviets had something like 35,000 MBTs. However, only 8,000 were truly front-line MBTs, another ten thousand were second-line, and the rest were complete cannon-fodder. Also, keep in mind the during the '80s the latest generation of M-60 was more than a match for front-line Soviet tanks, never mind the real beasts like the Abrams and Challenger 2.]

I consider all Russian armor, MBTs, vehicles, etc. cannon fodder.

LOL!!!

Their tanks weren't that bad... Just shoddy worksmanship... Every so often they got a tank that actually worked correctly... *Cough*

In other words... This has been a friendly bump broadcast brought to you by KQLX Info-89, 890 on your AM Dial and also 106.1 FM, KQLX Radio network.

OOC: Sorry to but in, SB, but when people say that, oh boy does it annoy me.

For your information, gentlemen, Soviet and Russian tanks may have had faults, but so, believe me, do Western MBTs. No Soviet tank ever fought a Western one on equal terms.

As an instructive example, please take the conflict in Iraq, so often vaunted as a proof of the "supremacy" of the M1 Abrams and Challenger tanks. When, as I am sure you are aware, you actually examine what went on, a number of facts become apparent. Namely that facts that the Coalition were facing poor-quality Iraqi knockoffs of the low-quality export variant - which carries inferior guns, ammunition, armour, optics, fire-control systems, engines, tracks and even headlamps to the Russian versions - of a twenty-year-old tank, with poorly-trained crews who were unmotivated and led by incompetents, and furthermore had no air support. Even had they been equipped with the M1 themselves, they could not and would not have won.

As a further example of how Soviet tanks can prove a handful for Western opponents of a younger vintage and with superior equipment, take the 1973 war. The Egyptians blasted across the Sinai, and then used their tanks well, digging them in and pairing them with ATGM launchers to reduce many an Israeli tanbk to a flaming wreck, while the SOVIET SAMs of the Egyptians kept the skies free of Israeli aircraft. Only when Sadat forced the army forward - against the desires and advace of el-Shazly - did the Egyptians succumb.

Now I realise that this is probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but it nonetheless bears saying, if only to draw attention to the manifest faults in the arguments of Western propagandists as regards the overall OMG 1337ness of their machines.

Soviet Bloc, thanks for your time.

Well, soviet tank doctrine was, for many years, strength in numbers. Instead of relying on advanced tanks, they wanted to be able to crush NATO resistance with weight of arms, namely cheap tanks.

With the T-64, the russian arms industry actually produced a good vehicle, which became, in later variants, a quite capable tank. In fact, the T-72 was meant to be the cheap version of the T-64.

And today, there are plenty of upgrades that allow T-72s to compete with western vehicles. The Polish PT-91 is a good example of that.

[DPUO, you argument has one major fault. When the Egpytians blasted across the Sinai, it was with a massive number of frontline tanks against WWII-vintage American tanks. The second the US started delivering M-60s, things took a swing the other way.]

[DPUO, you argument has one major fault. When the Egpytians blasted across the Sinai, it was with a massive number of frontline tanks against WWII-vintage American tanks. The second the US started delivering M-60s, things took a swing the other way.]

In 1973...I think the Israelis were using at least some Centurions, which were still good in the 70's.

[A battalion of second-line tanks isn't going to make much difference against hundreds of front-line tanks.]

[DPUO, you argument has one major fault. When the Egpytians blasted across the Sinai, it was with a massive number of frontline tanks against WWII-vintage American tanks. The second the US started delivering M-60s, things took a swing the other way.]

Strange. I got the impression the Israelis were using M60A1s delivered by yourselves and Centurions supplied by us. And just to point out, the more major fault (which I'm surprised nobody pointed out) is that the main reason the Israelis lost so many tanks so quickly was poor tank-infantry co-operation; all too often the Israelis sent unsupported tanks against the ATGMs and dug in tanks of the Egyptians, and then sent in unsupported aircraft against the SAMs. Stupid. But anyway, in my view, the Israelis would still have been unable to dislodge the Egyptians but for Sadat's insistence that they advance (stupid, stupid idea!) and the Syrians' poor showing to the north.

Eh, I could care less. Argue all you really want, its interesting stuff to read and hey, it draws attention, so go on and post all you want (Just not to the point of absurdity).

Bump.

LOL you know I love your tanks right? BTW want to jointly develop an attack helicopter? My Apache's are getting old.

We would like to acquire 12,000 vehicales, at 6.8 Billion we believe this to come to a total of 81 Billion. The funds shall be wired once our order is confirmed.

You have sparked an interest in those tanks. I wish to purchase 100 of them for use as law-enforcement tools. The money will be sent upon confirmation the number of tanks requested are available.

Layarteb- Yeah, sure, I'd jointly develop one. My SAH-17s are getting old too and my brand new SAH-24 is more of a light recon/light attack helo.

Tanuio, I'm sorry but the order's denied... We will sell you a smaller amount of tanks but 12000 is rather excessive... Especially in a single purchase, not to mention it would put a strain on our production capabilities.

DemonLordEnigma, your order for one hundred ST-21s has been confirmed. The units will be shipped and delivered over a two year period. Thank you for the order.

"Very well understandable. Would you be able to produce say 1,000 per NS Year? If that is acceptable then my order still stands.

At most, we could produce 400 for a single order per year.

"That would be accetable. Our request still stands."

The Triancian Government hears talks between Layarteb and Soviet Bloc on the joint venture of a new attack helicopter. Looking at all of the other fine pieices of military hardware, Triancia is interested in it's development, and would like to voluenteer it's moderate Aerospace industry to assist.

After all, a good way to gain prestige is to work with the prestigous, is it not?

Regards,
Robert Wernick, Triancian Secretary of Defense.

The Emperor wonders where the press release for this secret project got out.

Tanuio, the order will take approximately 30 years to fulfill with the option to halt production after twenty years (8000 units).

OOC- The attack helo deal wasn't really supposed to be IC but we'll consider the request anyways.

LOL...Shall we take it to our secure forum SB?

OOC: Blast. I really wanted to tote my Intelligence Service, there. :) If your not interested in my help, at least keep me apprised of the final product, which I know that the odds say it'll rock.

Layarteb, I agree. Off to the forums!

Triancia, if we do decide to export/sell it, I will inform you immediately via TG. Thank you for the interest...

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I have a slight problem with the range of the gun. 8 miles is way to far, 8km is much more reasonable.

With a high enough angle of elevation and with guided rounds, eight miles is doable... Hehe.

But yeah, its actually supposed to be about 5.4 miles (with conventional ammunition). I used the ST-09's first spec sheet as a basis and I forgot that I screwed up that one's range (I had changed it on the NS-posted version but forgot to edit my saved version).

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The Andrehervian military wishes to purchase the production rights for this vehicle, at the cost of AH£4,000,000,000 (will be converted to USD upon transfer of money). The funds will be wired upon confirmation.

Alright, confirmed. The rights and production diagrams will be shipped immediately. We thank you for the order and hope you enjoy the vehicles.

The Republic of Kyanges would like to purchase the production rights for this tank at $4billion USD. Is it possilbe to pay you in two payments? A little over 2 billion is the max my nation spends on defense...

Confirmed. The payment plan is also accepted. The designs and production diagrams will be sent as soon as the first 'payment' is received. Thank you for the order.

Confirmed. The payment plan is also accepted. The designs and production diagrams will be sent as soon as the first 'payment' is received. Thank you for the order.

The ROK greatly appreciates the plans and the first payment has been wired, with the second arriving as soon as we have gained the remaining $2 billion USD

We are once again highly impressed with the quality of Soviet Bloc products, and are certain that this vehicle would give us a huge edge in combat operations. As such, we would like to purchase 1000 units for $6.9 billion
as well as an offer of production rights for $3.9 billion, total (if accepted) coming to $10.8 billion.

We look forward to accquisition of this magnificent piece of engnineering and destructive potential (ooc: that's my less formal side peeking through).

Sincerely,
Ambarchir Don Ladro
Dictator-For-Life of Daniamania
And such

Your order has been confirmed and the vehicles will be built and delivered within 6-7 years with an initial shipment of fifty ST-21s. Your request for production rights has also been granted. Thank you for the order and we hope you enjoy the tanks.

ooc: YES!!!! THE WORLD IS MINE!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
ic: Thank you very much for your services. We look forward to making further purchases from you.

Sincerely,
Ambarchir Don Ladro
Dictator-For-Life of Daniamania
And such

We'd like to purchase 12 ST-21 tanks for the price of $836.000.000.

Confirmed. The twelve tanks will be sent immediately. Thank you for the order.

We're more than pleased with the samples' performance. We'd like to establish a contract with Soviet Blocs. We're willing to pay $680.000.000 for 10 ST-21 Tanks every year from now on, until something forces the contract's breaking (war or not enough cash).

Id like to buy 12 ST-21 tanks for the price of $836.000.000.




:sniper: :sniper:

Both orders confirmed. The ten tank per year plan has been confirmed and the first year's ten tanks will be shipped immediately with the rest being shipped the first month of each year.

The twelve ordered tanks will be sent immediately. Thank you for the orders, enjoy the vehicles.

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ooc: does this tank have a name besides ST-21? if not, can I name it the Silmal (Shiningflame), if not in general just for the tanks I produce? or is that all covered in production rights?

Tilsitsin wishes to purchase ten ST-21 Next Generation Battle Tanks for trials testing. A sum of sixty eight million dollars ($68,000,000) shall be wired upon confirmation.

OOC- We have our unofficial name, the ST-21 'Vatutin', but an official name was never decided so go ahead and name it what you like.


Tilsitsin, your order has been confirmed. The ten tanks will be shipped immediately. Thank you for the order, enjoy the tanks.

We would like to order 2,500 more tanks.

Confirmed. The tanks will be built and shipped as soon as possible. Thank you for the order.

Bump.

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OOC: My nation's getting to the stage where it can produce it's own tanks. A lot of the technology will be similar to yours (after all, they're replacements) and I thought I'd better ask permission first. Would this be ok dude? After all, you've put a lot of RL work into researching these..

OOC- Yeah, go ahead. Thanks for asking.

OOC: Thanks, that's kind of you dude. I'm not starting a storefront or anything like that, and specs will be totally different. Cheers man!

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Soviet Bloc I'm going to need 200 more of the ST-21s. That'll come to $1.2B. Thanks...

Alright confirmed. The tanks will be built and shipped as soon as possible, hopefully within two years. Thanks for the order. (I assume you included the TOA 25% discount, if not the total is only $900 million)

No sorry, forgot to. Thanks though!

The Sadistic Dictatorship of Witzgall wishes to inquire into the purchase of production rights for the ST-21, as it is a fine tank and has caught the government and military's eyes.

Witzgall, we will sell you production rights for the relatively low price of $8 Billion USD.

Thank you Soviet Bloc. We will wire the requested amount now.

((OOC: Just to tell you, AfrikaZKorps recommended it, and after looking over your design I am very impressed. I know about tanks myself, and this is magnificent. I hope to see it in action soon.))

OOC: See why I recommended it? Yeah thats why.

Thank you for the order, we sincerely hope you will enjoy the ST-21 Next Generation Battle Tank.


OOC- Lol, yeah, he told me over MSN. Anyways, thank you for the comments, I appreciate them.

We would like to purchase one unit to place in the Halladi Military Antiquities Museum.

The Commissariat of War
The Workers' State of Hallad

Confirmed. The single ST-21 NGBT will be sent immediately...

We would like to purchase one unit to place in the Halladi Military Antiquities Museum.

The Commissariat of War
The Workers' State of Hallad
OOC: *Wonders if that is insult.*

Statement from the Department of Defense

"As with our previous order of ST-11 NGBTs, we wish to know if the MILES system can be mounted on this vehicle.

If so, Tyrandis would like to acquire fifteen of these beasts for purposes of testing against our current tank in service, the domestic Merkava Mk. V."

Nice work, SB.

Tyrandis, yes, the ST-21 is MILES-capable. The fifteen ST-21 NGBTs will be shipped immediately and at no charge. Thank you, we await to see the results of testing.


OOC- Thank you NG.

OOC: *Wonders if that is insult.*

It's a collection of Halladi and foreign arms, that's hardly an insult. There'll be a nice exhibit on it. If I get enough of SB's stuff there'll be a whole section of the museum for SB's stuff.

comrade...

the eastern bloc wishes to say: do you wish to join the eastern bloc, together, we can drive the ists out of eurozlavia.. and rebuild in a fashion befitting a soviet country. captiolism is not the way.

Eastern Bloc- No thanks.


Otherwise, bump.

I need 30 of this as quickly as possible. $180M will be wired immediately.

Aye aye. Thirty on the way aboard ten C-380D strategic transports. Left immediately they'll be there in as long as it takes to fly from the ARSB to Layarteb. Enjoy, thanks for the purchase.

OOC: O_O DAMN...ive gotta get me one of these for christmas. Jesus, this thing is loaded!


IC:

Credonia will be placing an order for a large number of these tanks in coming hours. Authorization must come from the Secretary of Defense.

Have you by any chance read Hammer's Slammers by David Drake? Your tank's weaponry seems quite like that in the book. Anyway, I'll take ten of your ST-21s. The cost would be sixty eight million USD. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thank you.

Yeah, yeah.

When are you going to develop some nano weapons?

Bring on the Green Goo!
:eek:

OOC- I've heard of the book or whatever but never seen anything about it.
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The request for ten ST-21s has been confirmed. The ten tanks will be shipped immediately. Thank you for the order.

Would You mind If I can buy the Production rights and put your tank in my Storefront.

Well, you can have prod. rights but you can't sell it. $5 Billion USD'll do her.

Well, you can have prod. rights but you can't sell it. $5 Billion USD'll do her.

I'll wire the money to you but before I do. Can this tanks take the role in Airborne Mechnized Forces. I need light tanks that pack a punch and can fit more into a transport plane like a C-130, C-17, and C-5.

Aye aye. Thirty on the way aboard ten C-380D strategic transports. Left immediately they'll be there in as long as it takes to fly from the ARSB to Layarteb. Enjoy, thanks for the purchase.

Please send them to Ireland. Dublin.

These are easily air transportable (but not droppable), but I doubt you'd want to use them with the airborne mechanized forces...
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The C-380Ds have been re-routed, ferrying the tanks to Dublin, Ireland.

The Shenyang Military High Command would like to procure 1000 of your ST-21 offerring to join our heavy armored battalions. 6.8 billion USD will be wired upon confirmation. If they could be sent to Randova, Shenyang to be distributed further from there by our forces it would be appreciated.

Confirmed. We will be able to deliver them to the established landing position. Thank you for the order, enjoy the tanks.

Money has been wired, we're sure we will enjoy them.

The Armed Republic of The Silver Sky would like to purchase 1000 ST-21 Next Generation Battle Tanks for 6.8 billion USD, Also we would like to know if it's possible to buy production rights so we could produce these tanks ourselves(We will not sell any to other nations)
Money will be wired upon order confirmation.

The Federal Republic of Bonstock is interested in purchasing said weapons system. There is, as of the current time, a market for 30,000 Main Battle Tanks thanks to the Bonstocknian Army Furture Main Battle Tank Procurement Initiative Program (BAFMBTPIP).

However, if we are to purchase said tanks, which will replace the Leopard IIS series of tanks, we will first need to conduct a demonstration. First of all, we would like to be directed to any instance where these tanks have been used in combat, so we might analyze how well they performed. Also, we would like to procure two units in order to perform tests against the Federal Republic of Bonstock Leopard IIS, and other compeditors in the competition. In addition, should we purchase these, the Federal Republic requests that Soviet Bloc find suitable trucks to help supply them, and also direct us to a suitable aircraft to provide close-air support to these tanks. On behalf of the Federal Republic of Bonstock Department of Defense, Department of the Army, we hereby thank you.

Signed,

Harald, son of Gustav, lord of all Bonstocknians

wow great job

The Silver Sky- Confirmed, the order for 1000 ST-21 NGBTs has been confirmed. The units will be produced and shipped within a time frame of 6-8 years, depending on further orders. Due to the age of your nation, production rights will not be granted.

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In response to the Bonstocknian request,

The ST-21 has performed admirably in the hands of the ARSB. However, her combat experience in our hands is limited, only seeing deployment a handful of times and actual combat fewer times, primarily in the Kazakhstan Insurgency where it was used to pacify much of the twin Soviet Bloc districts which occupy Kazakhstan. Only two ST-21s were lost in the two year-long conflict, one was hijacked after her crew were killed, the other was holding a defensive position and was struck with seven rounds from an insurgent-operated artillery hidden in the foothills overlooking the district capital. Over two hundred vehicle kills were attributed to ST-21s in the conflict with the most notable being four ST-21s completely eliminating over thirty enemy vehicles in a three hour firefight. Enemy vehicles included District Guard T-90, T-80, and T-80UM main battle tanks stolen from District Guard depots around the district and commandeered by insurgents as well as numerous BMP infantry vehicles and other smaller vehicles.

Otherwise, the ST-21 has seen service with our allies: Layarteb, Communist Rule, Witzgall, and the list goes on. Exact conflicts where the ST-21 has been used are, at this time, unknown, although we are certain it has seen definite action with Layarteb, Witzgall, and a number of our other allies.

The request for two ST-21 NGBTs for testing has been confirmed the units will be shipped, free of charge, immediately aboard a Dat' Pizdy Arms Corp. C-380D with SBAF air cover to any destination.

As for the request for support vehicles and close air support aircraft, we can provide you with a support truck as well as a close air support aircraft, the O/A-89A Molotok close air support aircraft. Specifications will remain unreleased until a decision is made on your part concerning the ST-21s.

We await the results of testing and look forward to further business with Bonstock...

Regards,

Sergei Ruslov
Foreign Sales Director
Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation


OOC- I didn't have any time to search each thread for where the ST-21 has been used in combat, but do a search for "ST-21" and three pages worth of threads come up, it has been used, and from what I can tell, to great success.

[Hey, what kind of tank is that? I've always wondered but never asked you until now.]

We understand your reasoning on not allowing us production rights and accept it.
Payment has been wired and we understand that it will take a while to produce the required tanks seeing all the other orders. Please deliver all tanks to Victoria Air Force Base which is northeast of our capital of Central City.

(OOC: Think Mexico with Central being where Mexico City is, and I didn't really expect you to sell us production rights but it was worth a try)

Dang, I thought this was a Star Trek Next Generation thread

New Round- SSJPSR (Secondary SCRAMJET-powered Sabot Round)
The SSJPSR (or JASPER) round is an enhanced depleted uranium sabot round with a SCRAMJET built into the the sabot, when a small onboard computer detects a target at a certain range (or timed), the SCRAMJET can ignite and propel the round two or three times its normal speed to enhance destruction against an enemy unit.


As I've told dozens of people before SCRAMjet doesn't work in the lower atmospheres because the air too thick for the SCRAMjet.

OOC-

SS- Hmm, what kind? It'd be a main battle tank if thats what you mean, although I've termed it NGBT since the ST-09/11 since it was a massive improvement over the T-08.

Mac- I don't use SCRAMjet rounds (never have) and that's just a remnant of that entire SCRAMjet round craze back when, it was a 'marketing gimmick' so to say [not that good of one at that] and I don't (and never intend to) use it unless I intend to turn the SCRAMjet round into a blob of molten metal. All references to the technology have been scrapped in the next tank of the series, ST-29A1.


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The Silver Sky, we will adhere to your request and we will ship all produced tanks, via C-380D, to the destination given. However, we request that you pay for fuel between the factory and the destination. We can also ship via sea lanes which would allow a greater bulk of equipment to be sent than what we can send via air. Once again, thank you for the order.

OOC:I never purchased or used the ST-21, might want to edit that post. I had that other MBT that was practically the only viable competetor to the ST21, remember? (and as a result, we jointly made the M/ST-29, which will be seeing a ton of action real soon)

OOC- Ahhh... That's right, I thought you had bought some... Eh, oh well.

[No, I mean in the picture. Is that a 3D model of the ST-21 or is it a pic or a real life tank.]

Sure The Silver Sky will pay for your airplane fuel, but you are right a sea route would be better, how about you deliver the rest of the tanks to our nation's largest military port 'Joshua'. Included in this message is the coordinates and a authorization code to grant you acess to the port and/or the Air base.

OOC- Ohhhh... In the picture, its the Osorio main battle tank, developed by Brazil.

Alright very well, the rest of the order will be shipped via sea. Thank you.

Though analysts at the Department of Defense agree that the conflict against the insurgants was lobsided anyway, they do agree that the ST-21 must have performed admirably. Though cost reduction minded Senators in the Bonstocknian Senate might not like the logistic footprint caused by these tanks, or their associated procurement cost, the Bonstocknian Department of the Army is willing to overlook that. However, due to a deadlock in the Bonstocknian Senate over the procurement cost, the order will be placed on hold pending the use of the two test tanks in a wargame with Roman Republic. Should these tanks prove greatly more successful then the Leopard IIS tanks currently in operation, the Bonstocknian Department of the Army will request funds from the Bonstocknian Senate for the acquisition of said units.

Sincerely,

Harald, son of Gustav, lord of all Bonstocknians

Bonstocknian Department of Defense, Department of the Army

Would it be possible to aquire perhaps 400 ST-21 turrets? Robotstan doesn't really have much use for tanks beyond the T-54s and PT-76s already in use, but ST-21 turrets might be handy to put on gunboats.

Would it be possible to aquire perhaps 400 ST-21 turrets? Robotstan doesn't really have much use for tanks beyond the T-54s and PT-76s already in use, but ST-21 turrets might be handy to put on gunboats.


That we can do. For full turrets, which include all systems, fire control, etc. we'll charge $3.5 Million USD per turret. So, $1.4 Billion USD would be the price for 400 of the turrets.

Ok, sounds like a plan.