NationStates Jolt Archive

Here it is:

First of all, this belongs in I.I., because only they need to listen.

What is it with 11 Million man armies?! I have 8,800,000 people in my Armed Forces, and I only use 80,000 at most!

These people go "Look at my 5 Million man army... of DOOM!" and use that as attacking forces, that's logistically impossible!

Also, fleets... a few hundred ships at a time?! I use 100 at most! You people pulling off 500 Ships for a minor conflict, and these are people my size! The hell?!

And now to these communist revolutions, GET ORIGINAL! Not "GLORIUS ARMIES OF [insert name here] CRUSH EVIL DIRTY BABY EATING COMMIE PINKO SCUM WHO ARE OPPRESIVE!" when actually, the Government is being oppresive! I feel like nuking you people! Blah!

I mean, what has the world come to?! What ever happened to small armies that are well trained? What ever happened to originality! My God!

[/rant and I will be flamed now]

Here it is:

First of all, this belongs in I.I., because only they need to listen.

What is it with 11 Million man armies?! I have 8,800,000 people in my Armed Forces, and I only use 80,000 at most!

These people go "Look at my 5 Million man army... of DOOM!" and use that as attacking forces, that's logistically impossible!

Also, fleets... a few hundred ships at a time?! I use 100 at most! You people pulling off 500 Ships for a minor conflict, and these are people my size! The hell?!

And now to these communist revolutions, GET ORIGINAL! Not "GLORIUS ARMIES OF [insert name here] CRUSH EVIL DIRTY BABY EATING COMMIE PINKO SCUM WHO ARE OPPRESIVE!" when actually, the Government is being oppresive! I feel like nuking you people! Blah!

I mean, what has the world come to?! What ever happened to small armies that are well trained? What ever happened to originality! My God!

[/rant and I will be flamed now]

OOC:
11 million man armies are certainly usable. Of course, you really only have 1 million frontline fighters, due to logistics.

Aside from that, it takes a shitload of money and resources to maintain such a large force, so the larger the military, the shorter the amount of time you can mobilize them.

On the other hand, I do agree that the communist crushing thing is stupid. It's why I deported all my commies and fascists a few days after my creation. Unfortunately, it got a ton of people pissed at me :D

Blah... Tyrandis, I thought you were against large armies of doom...

I'm not done yet, what is it with people deploying 25 Divisions to a battle place?! They're younger then me! I'm talking about Generia here, nothing against you, but 25 Divisions, assuming thye have 10,000 men, ain't that a bit too much?

Bleh... whatever happened to real war... 11 Million man armies, ridiculous...

Yes I am bitter and?

I only use a large army so I can fight on multipul theatres. So no, deploying million plus in one place is pointless.

Blah... Tyrandis, I thought you were against large armies of doom...

I'm not done yet, what is it with people deploying 25 Divisions to a battle place?! They're younger then me! I'm talking about Generia here, nothing against you, but 25 Divisions, assuming thye have 10,000 men, ain't that a bit too much?

Bleh... whatever happened to real war... 11 Million man armies, ridiculous...

Yes I am bitter and?

Meh. Large Armies of DOOOOOOMMMM are fine, but I prefer small-scale engagements. It's not fun when you have a WWI rehash.

TIOR, chill out. You're a cool guy, but you gotta ease up on us warmongering, sociopathic, anti-commie scum. i happen to hold my army of Doom very dear to my heart, and to tell you the truth, I only ever use 500,000 guys at a time. I hear you, my brother, but still, relax. Don't want to give yourself an aneurysm.

I only use a large army so I can fight on multipul theatres. So no, deploying million plus in one place is pointless.

Okay, mulitple fronts, that makes sense.

And that last sentence, were you agreeing with me or were you saying I'm a dum dum? :confused:

Meh. Large Armies of DOOOOOOMMMM are fine, but I prefer small-scale engagements. It's not fun when you have a WWI rehash.

Heh, so true.

DOOOOOOOOM.

TIOR, chill out. You're a cool guy, but you gotta ease up on us warmongering, sociopathic, anti-commie scum. i happen to hold my army of Doom very dear to my heart, and to tell you the truth, I only ever use 500,000 guys at a time. I hear you, my brother, but still, relax. Don't want to give yourself an aneurysm.

Oh... sorry, it's just the recent conflicts I've been in have been making me mad that's all. Eh... nothing against ya, you know I read your RPs. Well, if I have time :P

Oh... sorry, it's just the recent conflicts I've been in have been making me mad that's all. Eh... nothing against ya, you know I read your RPs. Well, if I have time :P

I know what you mean though man, the commie slaughtering is just losing its originality. I have to look for something more evil to do to truly get some shock/laughs. Like my angry lobsters execution. Brings a tear to my eye. Beautiful. Priceless.

Here it is:

First of all, this belongs in I.I., because only they need to listen.

What is it with 11 Million man armies?! I have 8,800,000 people in my Armed Forces, and I only use 80,000 at most!

These people go "Look at my 5 Million man army... of DOOM!" and use that as attacking forces, that's logistically impossible!

Also, fleets... a few hundred ships at a time?! I use 100 at most! You people pulling off 500 Ships for a minor conflict, and these are people my size! The hell?!

And now to these communist revolutions, GET ORIGINAL! Not "GLORIUS ARMIES OF [insert name here] CRUSH EVIL DIRTY BABY EATING COMMIE PINKO SCUM WHO ARE OPPRESIVE!" when actually, the Government is being oppresive! I feel like nuking you people! Blah!

I mean, what has the world come to?! What ever happened to small armies that are well trained? What ever happened to originality! My God!

[/rant and I will be flamed now]

My army is well trained. Even if its 2.5 million big I only use around 200,000 in combat outside of my nation. And two I use propaganda lies to fight the communists lol so that got to count for some orginality.

OOC: Doom? Did someone call me? Bah. I only deploy around 100,000 at the most.

See, that's okay. I can accept hundred thousands. But I think when it goes to the millions, for one front, that's a tad too much ;)

My army is well trained. Even if its 2.5 million big I only use around 200,000 in combat outside of my nation. And two I use propaganda lies to fight the communists lol so that got to count for some orginality.
OOC:I kill commies by rounding them up, and dropping hydrogen bombs on them. Is that original?

meh, i havn't deployed an actuall army since i helped with peacekeeping several months back... then, I had about 200,000 men and logistics scattered throughout a country,
I have had several fleets around, the most recent purchase put me at about 2500 ships total(at most, 1000 are fully active, most are coastal defense though in times f war, it's fully activated. that also includes all ships, logistics, troop transports and so forth. about 1/2 to 1/3 are home defense) crazy right? not if you are very early june revived.

OOC:I kill commies by rounding them up, and dropping hydrogen bombs on them. Is that original?

I found that funny :P. But isn't it expensive?

Illior, I was talking about Generia =/ I know you can deploy those numbers you're OMG BIG!

You know; I've never thought about how large my armed forces would be...

Pff, eleven million? The CPRD probably had that many chefs in its army, not long ago, the total Unified People's Army strength having been eighty-five million, but it was hard to justify keeping it that small while RPing the negative impact of as if supporting more than a hundred million troops.

Anyhoo, it was really boring, and now Dra-pol only has thirty-four million people, let alone soldiers (of which we officailly have 1.4million, though the actual figure is probably much lower), and it makes much more sense. There's very little appeal for me in all nations having inexhaustible labour/fighting pools and associated capital resources, so I'm now playing a realistic world.

As for crushing communism... well that's just impossible/come and try it on the Kurosites/let them wear themselves out, they'll sleep for hours, after.

eighty five million combatents? Or total, cause I have about that many (thats including logistics).

I found that funny :P. But isn't it expensive?

Illior, I was talking about Generia =/ I know you can deploy those numbers you're OMG BIG!
yeah, you're right, you always were right*sniff sniff* DEJAME SOLO! SIEMPRE TIENES RAZON Y YO? YO NO SIEMPRE TENGO RAZON!!(for those who don't speak spanish, Leave me alone! your always right and me? i'm never always right) seems contradictory, oh well anyways, i think Tyrandis(i think?) is right. it costs boatloads full of money to move that many men period. people today seem to think quantity over quality, but as the long patrol hares always said, "quality is what counts, quality over quantity mate."

yeah, you're right, you always were right*sniff sniff* DEJAME SOLO! SIEMPRE TIENES RAZON Y YO? YO NO SIEMPRE TENGO RAZON!!(for those who don't speak spanish, Leave me alone! your always right and me? i'm never always right) seems contradictory, oh well anyways, i think Tyrandis(i think?) is right. it costs boatloads full of money to move that many men period. people today seem to think quantity over quality, but as the long patrol hares always said, "quality is what counts, quality over quantity mate."

I'm Cuban so heh.

And yes, quality is what counts, I'm just trying to remind people!

Yarg, but both is even better! *huggles his "trained" from birth system*

Blah... Tyrandis, I thought you were against large armies of doom...

I'm not done yet, what is it with people deploying 25 Divisions to a battle place?! They're younger then me! I'm talking about Generia here, nothing against you, but 25 Divisions, assuming thye have 10,000 men, ain't that a bit too much?

Bleh... whatever happened to real war... 11 Million man armies, ridiculous...

Yes I am bitter and?

My divisions have 100 men in each....

My divisions have 100 men in each....

That's more like a platoon or a company, I'm horrible with terms. Can't ya tell?

Division - 10,000 to 15,000 soldiers

Company - 62 to 190 soldiers

((http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/blarmychainofcommand.htm))

Very helpful for organization (and terms).

...But for most nations it would be silly to organise along US lines, because their situations, capabilities, threats, environments are not likely to be similar.

How on earth could A Few Rich People support a military that size? If your profile is at all correct (and it may not be, in RP terms, I accept), yours is a capitalist nation, driven by consumerism and commerce. Dra-pol could support four or five percent of its population in active military service because it is a hyper isolationist authoritarian socialist state with a currency-free, public-works-driven, centrally-planned economy that doesn't care for the profitability of a venture. If a capitalist state tried to produce the same end result it would be seen catastrophically inefficient and unsustainable, surely? I'm not an economist or anything, but it seems fairly clear on a pretty fundamental level.

I don't mind the idea of 5 million man armies in general; it's just the complete ignorance of logistics when deploying them that bothers me.

The way people seem to think their army of doom suddenly appears, whole, in a warzone, with all it's equipment, is what strikes me as n00bish. It would take weeks to deploy that many troops, especially overseas, and it would be nearly impossible to disguise the buildup of that many troops along a border, for instance.

Well untill a slight overthrow of the Board of Directers we were a Semicommunist Corperate Oligarchy with a farscape esk millitary system (more or less born into it).

((I really dislike those U.N. things, closest thing would have been corperate police state but with better civ rights because we just don't care))

Whilst million men armies are technically possible, it would be such a logistical nightmare you got expect 25% (min) losses within the first day from an enemy drastically smaller (assuming you are the aggressor).

Quite simply it's the Age of Empires Complex, anyone who played that game back when it was "cool" will no doubt remember that with the aegis cheat you could build massage armies and buildings instantiously.

While this was good in theory, many players forgot you can only control about twenty units at one time. Meaning 3/4 of your army are standard around me hacked to death by peseants, or monks, or whatever weak-ass unit your enemy thinks is worth tormenting you with.

Back to my point, you can have ga-zillion men armies, but you will loose and even if you win, the sheer death count on your side would make your government very unpopular with its people and its armed focres. Not to mention the effect on moral. Can anyone say Veitnam War?

Whilst million men armies are technically possible, it would be such a logistical nightmare you got expect 25% (min) losses within the first day from an enemy drastically smaller (assuming you are the aggressor).

Quite simply it's the Age of Empires Complex, anyone who played that game back when it was "cool" will no doubt remember that with the aegis cheat you could build massage armies and buildings instantiously.

While this was good in theory, many players forgot you can only control about twenty units at one time. Meaning 3/4 of your army are standard around me hacked to death by peseants, or monks, or whatever weak-ass unit your enemy thinks is worth tormenting you with.

Back to my point, you can have ga-zillion men armies, but you will loose and even if you win, the sheer death count on your side would make your government very unpopular with its people and its armed focres. Not to mention the effect on moral. Can anyone say Veitnam War?
*says in Lil' Jon Style*YEAH

meh i dont know how big my army is since 4.2% of my pop active dutie at war times, non war times it more like 0.2% active with reserves at about 1% but thats more like "hay civilian want a gun?" training but thats all includeing Lagistics whats about 20-30% of the 4.2%. so what say i had 1 million people 200-300,000 of them would be Logistics i think leaving 700-800,000 people for crewing tanks, ships, being troops etc.

i use my own army formations (my Divsion have less then 10,000 fighting men/women in them)

Marines/infentry:
Squad: 8-10 troops
Platoon: 4 Squads (40 troops)
Company: 4 Platoons (160 troops)
Battalion: 3 Companies (480 troops)
Regiment: 3 Battalions (1440 troops)

Armor:
Lance: 4 Vehicles
Company:3 Lances (12 Vehicles)
Battalion:3 Companies (36 Vehicles)
Regiment:3 Battalions (108 Vehicles)

Artillary:
Battrie: 4 Vehicles
Company: 3 Battires (12 vehicles)
Battalion:3 Companies (36 Vehicles)
Regiment:3 Battalions (108 Vehicles)

Marine Divsions:
3 Marine Regiments
1 Infentry Regiment
1 Armor Regiment
1 Artillary Regiment

Infentry Divsions
3 Infentry Regiments
2 Armor Regiment
1 Artillary Regiment

Armor Divsions
2 Infentry Regiment
3 Armor Regiments
2 Artillary Regiments

Artillary Divsions
2 Infentry Regiments
4 Artillary Regiments

Para Divsions
4 Para Regiments
1 Armor Regiments
1 Artillary Regiment

my Legions well....thats different

OOC: LOL, I could care less about 5 million man armies. I'll just throw 250,000 Sentinels at them and send them all into the abyss. Problem solved.

Whilst million men armies are technically possible, it would be such a logistical nightmare you got expect 25% (min) losses within the first day from an enemy drastically smaller (assuming you are the aggressor).

Quite simply it's the Age of Empires Complex, anyone who played that game back when it was "cool" will no doubt remember that with the aegis cheat you could build massage armies and buildings instantiously.

While this was good in theory, many players forgot you can only control about twenty units at one time. Meaning 3/4 of your army are standard around me hacked to death by peseants, or monks, or whatever weak-ass unit your enemy thinks is worth tormenting you with.

Back to my point, you can have ga-zillion men armies, but you will loose and even if you win, the sheer death count on your side would make your government very unpopular with its people and its armed focres. Not to mention the effect on moral. Can anyone say Veitnam War?


Thats why one practices Total warfare. The troops come in and kill everyone, and destroy everything that is needed to win. No light-footed civilian casualty worries. Get rid of all these people who have to worry about crap like that, and give your soldiers less restrictions, and suddenly logistics is easier. Divisions are given other divisions, or not, to accomplish an objective with. The Division/s then plan out what the best plan is, based on all information they can get. Logistics are not that hard, if you work on it and spend the money. That, and have 100,000 transport Aircraft.

yes but AMF we dont all have such evil, ruthless, Effective, perfect (the list goes on) troops that dont want to do anything but to kill and well...i think thats all a Sentinal wants to do kill and get better at killing...i could be wrong

so war, war is for people who aren't smart enough to get what they want without a gun. wars cost tons of money, both in expenses and opportunity costs, while sneaky diplomacy costs only the diplomats salary. now which is more cost effective? i can't imagine. and all that money you save can go to increasing your economic power, which will help you not need that military in the future.

as for commie bashing, the putzes who take part in such n00bish behaviors are lucky us established commie states ignore them. take the CACE (www.invisionfree.com/forums/cace) for instance. do you really want to go up against Galdago (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=galdago), Cirdanistan (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=cirdanistan), Celdonia (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=celdonia). SeOCC (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=seocc), and Svea Riga (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=svea_riga), all at once? i didn't think so.

Quite simply it's the Age of Empires Complex, anyone who played that game back when it was "cool" will no doubt remember that with the aegis cheat you could build massage armies and buildings instantiously.

Massage armies? Like, an army of masseurs?

The way i see it, you CAN have huge 10 million+ armies but it makes for a pretty crazy RP.

Tenarius currently holds 5 million people in the armed forces. The most soldiers ever thrown into a nation was 388,000, but practically they would go up to 600,000 at most.

Massage armies? Like, an army of masseurs?

You must be talking about the Shiree Diplomatic Core (the majority of whom are lifelong members of the Union of Courtesans)

and Psychopathic Warmonger: what are you worried about 'crazy rp' for?

(Whoops, this is supposed to be Benderland. This is just a joke puppet nation I made, these stats are based off Benderland's army.)

Here's the thing about militaries:

Logistics.

Army: 1/2 should be logistics in order for it to be effective
Navy: 2/3 should be logistics in order for it to be effective
Air Force: 4/5 to 9/10 should be logistics in order to be effective

People really can't grasp how much maintenance a well-organized army requires once out of the nation. Unorganized forces such as geurilla armies and terrorist groups are mostly self-supportive, but they still require a considerable amount of logistics or else they just run out of stuff (they're not funded by the state, y'know. Unless of course your state supports terrorism).

I know what you're thinking: "WOW THAT SEEMS REALLY HIGH!!!"

Well, think about it. In the army, for every soldier sent to the front, there's someone behind him sending supplies and caring for the wounded. You move more material in logistics than in actual invasions.

In the navy (you can sail the seven seaaas...) most of the ship's crew is upkeep on the ship, chefs, janitors, etc. Larger boats are like floating cities, and they don't run themselves.

Air force it the kicker. Aircraft require lots of maintenence or else they fall down and go boom. Easily 6-9 people per pilot, and we're not even talking refueling crews, creature comfort staff, etc. (btw, usually people who pilot cargo planes used specifically for cargo drops count as logistics, this applies to any sort of cargo vehicle. However, mount a gun on there and your gunners count as soldiers. Not to say your logistics people can't be armed, they just can't be put on the front lines and told to shoot at the bad guys)

In short: I have a 5-6 million man army, and just a shade more than a million are actually troops (across all 3 branches, then I have a seprate branch just for space combat, that's even MORE logistics). Your armies can, in theory, be as large as they want. They just need the logistics behind them, and you simply can't afford the upkeep on 11 million troops.

Bump for peopel to read.

With 3.874 billion people under my control I can afford a modest army. Still working on exact figures though

You must be talking about the Shiree Diplomatic Core (the majority of whom are lifelong members of the Union of Courtesans)

and Psychopathic Warmonger: what are you worried about 'crazy rp' for?

Worried??? I'm just saying that with larger armies in an RP it can easily become difficult to remember exactly what you're doing with each division, battalion etc.

Worried! Bah!!