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In the past few days, a sort of "Neo Cold War" has sprung up between Communists and Capatalists. Communist rebellions are occuring in all these countries, but the Captalists are brutally putting down these rebellions, which is forcing the Communists to resort to violence to self defense.

It is so ironic, that these Capatalist nations are saying these "violent and oppressive scum". I find it so humorless, that the sides have basically switched, and the Captalists have become what they so despise.

Now, I send a message to everyone to go back and look at these topics. Look at the Captalist posts, and watch as they slowly evolve into what they hate, which is "Stalinism"

But Stalinism is so soft and fun inside what with near slave labor and dictatorship.

Which is exactly why most of us Marxists are not Stalinistic. We believe in democracy

As a capitalist nation and a founding member of Stop the Red, I strongly disagree with your statement. We have responded to what the Communist rebels have used against our forces. Take the revolution in Borman for example. Rebel communists un-leashed over 6,000 gallons of IG gas onto civilian populations, Borman responded in kind, only after being provoked.

These rebels are brutal, callously murdering and massacering all who stand in their way. Our responses only use their own tactics against them. Sometimes to fight a Stalinist you must become a Stalinist for the greater good.

((OOC: I noticed the exact same thing a few days ago. I find it hilarious, and was going to make a thread about it, but i guess you already did. The irony is delicious.

You can't really apply this to RL though, you know the whole caps and commy switch, because I love to play the evil dictator in NS, but it's far from what i am IRL. I think it's the same with most of us capitalist dictatorships. Killing commies is just so much fun.))

I'm not appplying this to RL, but I too find the irony exquisitie and delightful

I'm not appplying this to RL, but I too find the irony exquisitie and delightful

OOC: but I have a feeling that this will not be a cold war for very much longer.....

I'm not appplying this to RL, but I too find the irony exquisitie and delightful

((OOC: In that case, I agree. Being evil is just amusing. Death camps, gory executions, oppression. It's totally my bag.))

OOC: but I have a feeling that this will not be a cold war for very much longer.....

((OOC: Wirraway check your tgs if you haven't already.))

As a capitalist nation and a founding member of Stop the Red, I strongly disagree with your statement. We have responded to what the Communist rebels have used against our forces. Take the revolution in Borman for example. Rebel communists un-leashed over 6,000 gallons of IG gas onto civilian populations, Borman responded in kind, only after being provoked.

These rebels are brutal, callously murdering and massacering all who stand in their way. Our responses only use their own tactics against them. Sometimes to fight a Stalinist you must become a Stalinist for the greater good.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin

Never come down to the level of a terrorist, for then you are no better.

And the fact that several more brutal rebellions have happened gives you no right to put down more peaceful, popular rebellions against opressive dictatorships.

If the Communists were allowed to seize power, they would doubtless commit countless acts of oppression far worse than anything imaginable by the civilised societies of the world. The complete annihilation of the Communist menace is in the best interests of all civilised societies. Failure to do so will only result in the end of civilisation, and the beginning of a new dark age, as millions of illiterate peasants bow their heads towards images of the "great" Stalin, knowing that failure to do so will result in death just as easily as poking metal sticks into a socket.
That said, death would be far preferable to life in the workers "paradise".

Here Here!

The Shildonian slander has been condemned by Da'Khiem, the Central Directorature appling the harshest terms to the rogue state's jingoistic hatemongering. Stalin, the Drapoel line maintains, was a self-interested coward without stomach enough to defend the revolution against backwards and desperate capitalists. With guidance from comrade Director Hotan, the CPRD is a different matter and all bloodthirsty efforts against the Kurosite Utopia are doomed to failure.

(I don't see that things have switched so much as... stayed exactly the same, with the capitalist world brutally killing on an industrial scale in order to keep down the revolution.
An American officer in Vietnam infamously stated that, "To save the town, it became necessary to destroy it", and his country bombed Laos for twenty-odd years because its people kept voting left-wing parties into total or coalition government. It can't really be said that the capitalist world has lost its moral superiority. It never attained such a thing. It would be hard to apply the topic to real-life.)

The Socialism of the glorious Federation has done nothing other than boost the economy - which was ruined by Capitalism! The comrades in all of the Socialist organizations have brought Direct Democracy and superb civil rights to the people of the Federation! Long live Socialism!

The Commissariat of Diplomacy
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

It is also becoming apparent alot of Capitalist economies are slipping or are becoming stagnant, whilst the Communist economies boom...

What you mean to say is that Capitalists are becoming Nationalist in their putting down of social scum such as communism, some may use Fascist methods.

Stalinism was not close to communism and if you believe that it falls into the same ideological bracket you probably should do a little more research into what Stalinism and what the Cult of Stalin really was. It was not communism, more a form of Revolutionary Nationalism encased in a shell that reads 'Totalitarian State'.

It is also becoming apparent alot of Capitalist economies are slipping or are becoming stagnant, whilst the Communist economies boom...

Yeah.

To put it bluntly, capitalist adversaries- we will bury you. History demands it be so, and we grow stronger from your groundless fear.

Yeah.

To put it bluntly, capitalist adversaries- we will bury you. History demands it be so, and we grow stronger from your groundless fear.

Thanks for the Kruschev quote but Capitalism is by far the more powerful economic system, planned economies just don't work. Why is China becoming a superpower? Becuase it has abandoned its marxist economic practices and switched to capitalism, now it is on pace to have the largest and strongest economy in the world. Capitalism always had and always will be the best economic system.

Id rather have a mediocre economy where everyone is happy than a booming one where the average man and woman are left to fend for themselves being paid pittence.

Its simple, Presently the Major Stand off in Europe is Between Communists and Capitalists, Thought out NS history there has always been a Communist and Capitalist battle going on, and now the major Communist Nations are Showing there Colors to the Capitalist Nations Especially NATO that they will no longer be Abused or Threatened by Capitalistic Greed. Communists have once again have a Large Collection of Nations Able to Standup to Capitalist Pigs and say NO we wont take this Crap any longer!

Today Communism Stands once again for itself, Capitalism, watch out Communism is on the Rise once again and will always be a Counter Balance for Capitalism!

Dr_Twist.

Communism is Back and We wont Take Shit.

TO: Dr Twist
FROM: CL

We love your view on the current situation. We have created an alliance which has a main goal of spreading Communism throughout the world. It is called the Spread the Red alliance. Our alliance is growing very quickly. Spread the Red would be more than honored to have you as a member.

intresting...

Thanks for the Kruschev quote but Capitalism is by far the more powerful economic system, planned economies just don't work. Why is China becoming a superpower? Becuase it has abandoned its marxist economic practices and switched to capitalism, now it is on pace to have the largest and strongest economy in the world. Capitalism always had and always will be the best economic system.

Yeah China's GDP is growing at 8%-10%. Now Most of the Cities look like first world nations, with lots of advertising, skyscrapers and lots of cars ( Though rural areas are still poor)

Id rather have a mediocre economy where everyone is happy than a booming one where the average man and woman are left to fend for themselves being paid pittence.

Then why not follow the ideals of a communo-meritocracy?

This war of ideologies is stupid, both Capitalism and Communism both have flaws as well as every other system in the world (e.g: Socialism, Feudalism, meritocracy’s, Plato's Republics, etc), We suggest that we all should unite together and try to help each other's systems work and run effectively, it would bring benefit to everyone.

Sadly, "cant we all just, get along?" isnt viable in the .. well i would say real world.. but it isnt really possible anywhere.

This war of ideologies is stupid, both Capitalism and Communism both have flaws as well as every other system in the world (e.g: Socialism, Feudalism, meritocracy’s, Plato's Republics, etc), We suggest that we all should unite together and try to help each other's systems work and run effectively, it would bring benefit to everyone.

The world needs idealists.......

The world needs idealists.......

Quite frankly, I should be an idealist. The only problem is that certain...events in my life have sent me down the path of the cynical bastard. However, my far-lefty, hippy, peace-loving side comes up every once in a while.

Quite frankly, I should be an idealist. The only problem is that certain...events in my life have sent me down the path of the cynical bastard. However, my far-lefty, hippy, peace-loving side comes up every once in a while.

haha, I need to make one thing clear here, Wirraway is in no-way a conservative nation (don't look at my nation's description, I haven't bothered to address any issues in months, I'm talking about my personal political views here). We are a centrist-leftist nation, we simply do not agree with Communism as a system.

haha, I need to make one thing clear here, Wirraway is in no-way a conservative nation (don't look at my nation's description, I haven't bothered to address any issues in months, I'm talking about my personal political views here). We are a centrist-leftist nation, we simply do not agree with Communism as a system.

Heh, I in no way took you as a conservative. The realist part of me that took over in the last few years is actually moderate/slightly-right as far as economics go. The only thing is that I'm just about as socially liberal as they get, so I tend to be classified as such. I only espouse communism when I'm in the right mood.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361052

This thread makes the entire argument invalid, look what the communists are doing.

I still don't understand how that matters. They're traitors in a conspiracy to assassinate the president. Doesn't that carry a sentence of death in most countries, communist or capitalist?

I still don't understand how that matters. They're traitors in a conspiracy to assassinate the president. Doesn't that carry a sentence of death in most countries, communist or capitalist?

Okay, first look at the method of execution, I don't think I have to elaborate on how barbaric it is. Secondly, Capitalist countries with Communist revolutions view the rebels in the same way.

Do you think that the rebels wish to see the president alive? If Communist countries can do this than so can capitalist ones, which means that communists and capitalists have not switched places at all, they are both equally bad at this point.

I prefer death by firing squad in my country as opposed to barbaric death by electric chair where you start bleeding from every orifice.

Traditionally we kill with a single shot to the heart.

I was a bit angry and blew their heads off.

Okay, first look at the method of execution, I don't think I have to elaborate on how barbaric it is. Secondly, Capitalist countries with Communist revolutions view the rebels in the same way.

Do you think that the rebels wish to see the president alive? If Communist countries can do this than so can capitalist ones, which means that communists and capitalists have not switched places at all, they are both equally bad at this point.

And have always been as bad as each other and always will be.

Okay, first look at the method of execution, I don't think I have to elaborate on how barbaric it is. Secondly, Capitalist countries with Communist revolutions view the rebels in the same way.

Do you think that the rebels wish to see the president alive? If Communist countries can do this than so can capitalist ones, which means that communists and capitalists have not switched places at all, they are both equally bad at this point.

And of the 'more humane' method of execution by hydrogen bomb? I'm sure the hundreds of communists killed by that execution for merely being communists were more deserving than traitors against their country who had all of ten seconds of suffering?

1. Pure socialism ( communism for arguments sake only )
is the nicest form of government there is, but no nation
has carried out the way it is supposed to be. Not the USA S
fault please.

2. And this statement coming from a native Cuban
now american citizen.

3. The problem with pure socialism since
the state controls everything there can be no
opposition to anything and it creates
an utomatic dictatorship.

4. The european socialist democratic nations
with diffrent political partys and points of view
concentrate more on social services
than state control of everything, that is
why they can work with diffrent political partys
and diffrent points of views.


5. The Soviet Union from its beggining made it clear
that it supported revolutions around the world
to spread its ideals, not through democratic elections.

6. Some may argue that that was the
reasons of the beginning
of the cold war.

7. Granted there were right wing dictatorships
supported by the USA, my nation of Cuba included.

8. The diffrence between a right wing dictatorship
while all bad is in a right wing dictatorship
there is an upper class, a middle class, a working class.
and a poor, class, where you can
own small businesses as well as big ones.

In a left wing dictatorship there is a priviledged class
and all others in one class

9. The problem with most communist partys
is that once they come into power they
ban other partys because the state must
control everything and so no opposition is allowed.

10.Some communist partys in europe did gain power
with pluraltys and governed with diffrent political
partys and points of views, but I think it was more
the political and economic cultural of the european
nations that kept it from controling everything
and banning others. Italy comes to mind as one exsample.

To: Da'Khiem
From: Arthur Baynam, Director of Justice
Subject: A bit of free legal advice...

I strongly recomend you consult some legal textbooks. It's only slander if it's not true. The statement made by my country's government was true.
That said, your sort often consider due process to be something of a hinderance to your wholesale slaughter of random passersby who aren't too happy that their "government" considers a slice of bread to be an appropriate amount of food to feed a family.

Omicron Alpha Government Incorporated would like to take this opportunity to assure everyone that there will never be a communist revolution attempt within our financial borders, let alone a successful revolution. Our people are satisfied with capitalism, and value profits over their very lives.

The Directory
Omicron Alpha Government Incorporated

This whole thread highlights that people here really have no clue what communism or capitalism are. They are political ideologies about how an economy should be run. Communism doesn't say 'crush all in your path', neither does Capitalism. Just because Stalin (who wasnt really communist, if you look at how the USSR was run) oppresed doesnt mean that it is a trait of communism.

This whole thread highlights that people here really have no clue what communism or capitalism are. They are political ideologies about how an economy should be run. Communism doesn't say 'crush all in your path', neither does Capitalism. Just because Stalin (who wasnt really communist, if you look at how the USSR was run) oppresed doesnt mean that it is a trait of communism.

Yes. Nobody's ever started a war because of differing political ideologies before.

Thanks for the Kruschev quote but Capitalism is by far the more powerful economic system, planned economies just don't work. Why is China becoming a superpower? Becuase it has abandoned its marxist economic practices and switched to capitalism, now it is on pace to have the largest and strongest economy in the world. Capitalism always had and always will be the best economic system.

Heh, i'm glad you liked the quote. But i'll inform you on something.

The Original Marxist perception of history:
Slave State<Feudalism<Capitalism<Socialism<Anarchism

Leninism believes in sidestepping the development from feudalism to capitalism, and going straight to socialism, in contrast to the vision of Marx and Engels.

China abandoned this doctrine, and is now reverting to capitalism in order to make a progress to socialism.

Thats overly simple, but oh well.

Capitalism is the best for profit (And in most cases, expansion) however, socialism is better for a fair economy that all can prosper from.