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Official Statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

NOTING, the current economic system of the sovereign nation of Female Slavery Inc. (henceforth called "FSI"), being that of human trafficking and prostitution,

NOTING FURTHER, that the Militant Imperium recognizes the right of FSI to do whatever the government pleases with her own citizens, however,

ALARMED at the recent conquest of Emanara and subsequent enslavement of her citizens by the combined military forces of FSI and Decisive Action, as shown in here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=360082

DEEPLY DISTURBED by the sudden transfer of nuclear and biological warfare capabilities from Decisive Action to FSI, as shown here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=360574

FEARING the use of the aforementioned Weapons of Mass Destruction by FSI to continue wars of aggression against other states in hopes of acquiring foreign citizens to sell for higher profits,

The Militant Imperium of Tyrandis demands that Female Slavery Inc. return or destroy all NBC assets currently in possession.

If our demands are not met, FSI will face severe economic sanctions and possible military intervention. However, we will not attack unless all other avenues of coercion are attempted.

Again, the Militant Imperium recognizes the right of FSI to enslave her own citizens. We do not, however, recognize the right to wage war for the sake of enslaving the citizens of other states.

"I have no knowledge that any of my forces were in Emanara, I request you elaborate. I am aware of everything that goes on, except certain DIS operations that must remain classified even from me... Please tell me what is going on."

Czar Roger Fabus.


Ooc- Remember, the DISFB did the operation without Czar's knowledge, orders, approval, etc. It was not a DA-gov't approved operation.

"I have no knowledge that any of my forces were in Emanara, I request you elaborate. I am aware of everything that goes on, except certain DIS operations that must remain classified even from me... Please tell me what is going on."

Czar Roger Fabus.


Ooc- Remember, the DISFB did the operation without Czar's knowledge, orders, approval, etc. It was not a DA-gov't approved operation.

"Evidently, Roger, a number of your operatives infiltrated Emanara and kidnapped a Senator Dawn Chapman, according to our sources at the Tyrandis National Intelligence Agency. We don't have much information beyond that (OOC: Didn't read the whole thread since if it's one of your RPs, I usually end up losing my lunch at some time during the reading :/) but we are certain that DA had a hand in the operation."

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Executor Xavier Davidson

I support this ultimatum, rogue nations ought not be able to have WMDs

"Evidently, Roger, a number of your operatives infiltrated Emanara and kidnapped a Senator Dawn Chapman, according to our sources at the Tyrandis National Intelligence Agency. We don't have much information beyond that (OOC: Didn't read the whole thread since if it's one of your RPs, I usually end up losing my lunch at some time during the reading :/) but we are certain that DA had a hand in the operation."

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Executor Xavier Davidson


Ooc- I usually end up reading my RPs over and over again because they're good, I like to check for spelling errors, and they're just plain good. The main people taken by DIS operatives were the Vice President Elizabeth Clarke and the Senator Dawn Chapman.


Ic-

"This is quite a problem, I don't know how to deal with this. It seems that slavery is a very divisive issue, indeed the most divisive, in our commonwealth. If I crack down on it, well crack down too hard, I risk igniting a secession crisis in Mississippian Egypt and Western Sahara. But to do nothing is morally unthinkable. I will attempt to find those responsible for the operation in Emanara and see that they are punished for their crimes against the citizens of other nations."

Czar Roger Fabus

"This is quite a problem, I don't know how to deal with this. It seems that slavery is a very divisive issue, indeed the most divisive, in our commonwealth. If I crack down on it, well crack down too hard, I risk igniting a secession crisis in Mississippian Egypt and Western Sahara. But to do nothing is morally unthinkable. I will attempt to find those responsible for the operation in Emanara and see that they are punished for their crimes against the citizens of other nations."

Czar Roger Fabus

"Meh. Tyrandis has found that slavery is not a particularly viable form of economic production. You need to feed them, clothe them, house them, deal with protestors, rebellions, and a number of other problems.

Out of pragmatic and utilitarian reasons, slavery has died out in our nation. Technically, it's still legal to own slaves here, even though no one does.

I thank you for your efforts in tracking down the scum that did the kidnappings."

Executor Xavier Davidson

"Female Slavery Inc. will not bow to threats, these weapons are for self-defense only, nothing more. If we do comply then nations that seek our destruction will be able to destroy us quite compeltly."


FSI International Services

"Female Slavery Inc. will not bow to threats, these weapons are for self-defense only, nothing more. If we do comply then nations that seek our destruction will be able to destroy us quite compeltly."


FSI International Services

So be it cretin.

We mean what we say; Tyrandis henceforth has decreed that all FSI shipping will be intercepted and forced back to FSI waters until you comply with our demands...

From the Desk of Governer McLagherty

Though I do not condone the enslavement of innocent peoples (Though this colony and many others throughout the Republic do use slavery as a punishment for crimes), I would like to point out that using the possible offensive use of their new WMDs as an excuse to blockade this nation is quite non-sensical, some would even call it idiotic. They are slavers, WMDs kill. Killing potential slaves it not good for business.

Though the Republic isn't capitalist anymore and hasn't been for a very, very long time, most of us remember how to play the game. You simply do not destroy potential merchandise while in the process of acquiring it, it is counter-productive.

I think I would have to agree... if you don't trust this nation not to use it's WMD in open warfare then you may not want to start a blockade which is basically an act of war. If they are as immature as you say then you are endangering your ships trying to enforce something you may very well not really have the right to enforce.

That said, seeing as this nation has proven that it cannot respect the international community and actively raids other nations for slaves... well, we don't really care what happens to them so long as civilian losses are minimal.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

If Any country uses WMDs, I will condemn and take immediate action against that country, let this be known. Be forewarned that large-scale nuclear attack will result in chaos and destruction.
-El Cid

official Imperial Statement

Due to vested interest in FSI operations, the Empire will stand by and enforce the corporation's right to own and utilize Weapons of Mass destruction.

official Imperial Statement

Due to vested interest in FSI operations, the Empire will stand by and enforce the corporation's right to own and utilize Weapons of Mass destruction.

Ummm, that could be a problem Generic, I'm close to going to war over their actions.

Ummm, that could be a problem Generic, I'm close to going to war over their actions.



Ooc- Let me serve as the objective mediator in this crisis, once Emanara and FSI get back on, we can all sit down and hammer out a settlement acceptable to all parties.

Ummm, that could be a problem Generic, I'm close to going to war over their actions.
FSI has not used WMDs.

Ooc- Let me serve as the objective mediator in this crisis, once Emanara and FSI get back on, we can all sit down and hammer out a settlement acceptable to all parties.

OOC: Its fine with me but I have one reservation, how can you deem youself objective in this, you obviously are on FSI's side, I mean you've supplied them with enough nukes to blow up the whole world and you continue to supply them with aid. If you stop all shipments and halt all aid I would seriously consider this.

ViZion must state that as long as FSI (though we disagree with what they do with their own people) does not force other nations people into slaves, does not torture slaves or murder slaves, and does not use WMD's, rather it be chem/bio or nuclear, aggressively, FSI has their soveign right to have nuclear weapons and slavery.

However, if FSI does use WMD's wrongfully, we will make sure FSI is COMPLETELY disarmed of ALL WMD's and missiles, along with other long-range weaponary.

Also, we will watch FSI's actions from this point forward. If they launch aggressive assaults upon other nations to gain slaves, economic power, land, etc, ViZion WILL order a declaration of war upon FSI. ViZion will not allow any nation to launch an imperialist action upon other nations, nor will we allow FSI, or any other nation or company, to take people from another nation and enslave them.

ViZion also will NOT tolerate torture of ANY persons, rather it by within your company or nation, along with murdering these people. If either of those actions are taken, ViZion WILL intervene to free these people and disarm FSI. This is a policy we hold with all companies and nations.

FSI, you stand warned. This will be your one and only warning.

Thank you,

President John Maybury

From the Desk of The Exhalted Ruler Alexander Christos
"Every believe that every nation should posses the necesarry weapons, and firepower to defend it's nation. I do not recall FSI threatening to use WMD for any other reason than defense. We shall stand by FSI, and assist in it's protection.

We feel that ViZion's stance is the closest to our own, though we are less prepare to resort to action as Iuthia and our allies has not been threatened directly and the security of our people comes first.

However, we are going to support this stance for what it's worth. While slavery within FSI is their own concern and theirs alone, making slave raids against other nations is all of the international comunities concern and should be dealt with accordingly.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

ooc: Has FSI made slaver raids into other nations? Because if he has, I might have to severely re-evaluate my position in this whole matter.

ooc: Has FSI made slaver raids into other nations? Because if he has, I might have to severely re-evaluate my position in this whole matter.

ooc: Yes they have, look at the link in the original post.

Secret IC:

In the darkness of space, a single Damocles-class Strategic Strike Platform, armed with some 150 tungsten-alloy rods was dispatched into orbit over FSI HQ...

In the darkness of space, a single Damocles-class Strategic Strike Platform, armed with some 150 tungsten-alloy rods was dispatched into orbit over FSI HQ...

Ooc- He is modern tech, not future, take your future godmod crap and take a long walk off a short pier! You're an older nation, you know better than to drag future tech into a modern RP, shame on you!

Ooc- He is modern tech, not future, take your future godmod crap and take a long walk off a short pier! You're an older nation, you know better than to drag future tech into a modern RP, shame on you!

OOC: Rods from God aren't really future-tech. It's feasible within a decade or so, and I recognize modern as up to 2015.

ICKMs aren't really godmods, it takes a shitload of time to reload them since you have to plan the shuttle flights, etc.

Not only that, the thermal coating on the rods isn't exactly perfect, and a good number end up melting during entry of the atmosphere.

Aside from that, it's recognized by most people as a legitimate form of WMD.

OOC: Rods from God aren't really future-tech. It's feasible within a decade or so, and I recognize modern as up to 2015.

ICKMs aren't really godmods, it takes a shitload of time to reload them since you have to plan the shuttle flights, etc.


ooc- What if he recognizes modern as 2008, or whatever he recognizes it as. It's not important just what you think because when you RP with others, they have a say!

To the esteemed Militant Imperium of Tyrandis
From the Freeland of Upper Big Sur

In regards to the growing crisis in FSI, our nation respectively intends to take action to end the growing threat posed by this nation, particularly with the offer of large numbers of nuclear delivery systems and weapons by a number of nations and the deployment of foreign military systems in that country.

Although a small nation, we have a warship now anchored in the main port of this evil place. Although we came in under the guise of friendship, a plan has been in place for some time to deal with this unreasonable state of affairs.

to whit

The initial posts released by Upper Big Sur were meant as disinformation. The government has had no change in policy or leadership during this time and the Minister of Justice and Commerce have both in collusion of the plan.

Aboard the warship "Redwood", which is an old sailing ship with diesel engines to replace the old steam ones, is a SEAL team, and in a special lead lined cargo hold are several small tactical nuclear weapons suitable for backpack use.

In short, using the fact that the nation of Female Slaves Inc is run by corporations, has a crime problem, and a very small government (hence a very small internal security force), it is our intent to send operatives to the general proximity of the major corporate headquarters and principal government facilities of this nation and detonate 1 kiloton weapons (this will be accomplished with volunteers, our nation is renowned for its patroitism and sense of moral superiority).

Collatarial damage should be minimal and the point will be made to the successor government that takes power. It is unlucky that the ideal time for this attack will be around 10 AM local time, as to ensure we get the executives at their desks (and sadly, many innocent corporate and government workers) but such is war.

Tracing back the action should be difficult, although it is possible. Therefore, we seek your assistance in our defense should it leak out that we are responsible.

Sincerely,

King Leonard Skynnerd, soveriegn of the Freeland of Upper Big Sur

To the esteemed Militant Imperium of Tyrandis
From the Freeland of Upper Big Sur

In regards to the growing crisis in FSI, our nation respectively intends to take action to end the growing threat posed by this nation, particularly with the offer of large numbers of nuclear delivery systems and weapons by a number of nations and the deployment of foreign military systems in that country.

Although a small nation, we have a warship now anchored in the main port of this evil place. Although we came in under the guise of friendship, a plan has been in place for some time to deal with this unreasonable state of affairs.

to whit

The initial posts released by Upper Big Sur were meant as disinformation. The government has had no change in policy or leadership during this time and the Minister of Justice and Commerce have both in collusion of the plan.

Aboard the warship "Redwood", which is an old sailing ship with diesel engines to replace the old steam ones, is a SEAL team, and in a special lead lined cargo hold are several small tactical nuclear weapons suitable for backpack use.

In short, using the fact that the nation of Female Slaves Inc is run by corporations, has a crime problem, and a very small government (hence a very small internal security force), it is our intent to send operatives to the general proximity of the major corporate headquarters and principal government facilities of this nation and detonate 1 kiloton weapons (this will be accomplished with volunteers, our nation is renowned for its patroitism and sense of moral superiority).

Collatarial damage should be minimal and the point will be made to the successor government that takes power. It is unlucky that the ideal time for this attack will be around 10 AM local time, as to ensure we get the executives at their desks (and sadly, many innocent corporate and government workers) but such is war.

Tracing back the action should be difficult, although it is possible. Therefore, we seek your assistance in our defense should it leak out that we are responsible.

Sincerely,

King Leonard Skynnerd, soveriegn of the Freeland of Upper Big Sur

Make this secret IC very quickly.

To the esteemed Militant Imperium of Tyrandis
From the Freeland of Upper Big Sur

In regards to the growing crisis in FSI, our nation respectively intends to take action to end the growing threat posed by this nation, particularly with the offer of large numbers of nuclear delivery systems and weapons by a number of nations and the deployment of foreign military systems in that country.

Although a small nation, we have a warship now anchored in the main port of this evil place. Although we came in under the guise of friendship, a plan has been in place for some time to deal with this unreasonable state of affairs.

to whit

The initial posts released by Upper Big Sur were meant as disinformation. The government has had no change in policy or leadership during this time and the Minister of Justice and Commerce have both in collusion of the plan.

Aboard the warship "Redwood", which is an old sailing ship with diesel engines to replace the old steam ones, is a SEAL team, and in a special lead lined cargo hold are several small tactical nuclear weapons suitable for backpack use.

In short, using the fact that the nation of Female Slaves Inc is run by corporations, has a crime problem, and a very small government (hence a very small internal security force), it is our intent to send operatives to the general proximity of the major corporate headquarters and principal government facilities of this nation and detonate 1 kiloton weapons (this will be accomplished with volunteers, our nation is renowned for its patroitism and sense of moral superiority).

Collatarial damage should be minimal and the point will be made to the successor government that takes power. It is unlucky that the ideal time for this attack will be around 10 AM local time, as to ensure we get the executives at their desks (and sadly, many innocent corporate and government workers) but such is war.

Tracing back the action should be difficult, although it is possible. Therefore, we seek your assistance in our defense should it leak out that we are responsible.

Sincerely,

King Leonard Skynnerd, soveriegn of the Freeland of Upper Big Sur


Ooc- Sorry, but with 3000 MSAAS, the best special forces in our nation, defending the main installations of FSI, I don't see how an upstart navy seal team stands a chance in hell of getting within 10 miles of the bases. Also with 360,000 soldiers, about 1/2 of them Republican Guard, you'd not even be able to get ashore! Also you forget, we have probably 300,000 sailors running around their cities, our sailors are all armed with pistols.

Secret IC-

DA MSAAS forces in and around crucial installations were put on full-alert after an uncoded (ooc- you didn't make it secret, just regular message) message of an intent to attack allied bases, was intercepted by tactical intelligence officers in the field. All leaves were canceled and full-red alert status activated.

IC-

In the harbor, the two Curtis Fabus Class Battleships trained their massive 30inch guns at the ship and demanded she surrender. Above the ship, two dozen MiG-41s were circling, waiting for it to make the first move. A dozen Mi-24s were also on station.

(OOC) I have no idea how to do that...

Anyway, as we are all replaying this, there is no way (if everyone stays in character) that they should know that this action is being carried out... besides, my posts are generally lost in the shuffle (grin)....

(OOC) I have no idea how to do that...

Anyway, as we are all replaying this, there is no way (if everyone stays in character) that they should know that this action is being carried out... besides, my posts are generally lost in the shuffle (grin)....

Ooc- My intelligence services are damn good, and they're working in FSI to protect them. Besides, ever heard of radiation detectors? You couldn't get a nuclear bomb into DC without them knowing about it almost immediately! (Well hopefully they're safe like that, they claim they are) well the thing is, with our operatives, we're tighter than fort knox! You can't take a sh-- without us knowing about it.

ViZion requests that nations calm down.

ViZion would be willing to host a diplomatic meeting to settle this issue without a shot being fired.

ViZion wishes to point out that with FSI having WMD's, a war could quickly turn into a nuclear and chem/bio war, which I do believe we all would like to avoid.

ViZion recognizes FSI's soveign right to have their own people as slaves, even though we disagree very much with the practice. What we will not tolerate is torture or murder of these slaves. We will also not tolerate FSI going on raids, or otherwise forcefully taking other people from other nations and turning them into slaves. If that has been done, ViZion demands all foreign slaves be returned to their country, or ViZion will do that for you. This will not be an act of war, as we will send in unarmed civilians who would be more than willing to help with returning these people to their country. What would be an act of war is if you fire upon our people.

ViZion also recognizes FSI's soveign right to have WMD's. What ViZion will NOT tolerate is if FSI uses its WMD's aggressively in a war.

If FSI does keep within those soveign limits, ViZion will have no choice but to deem other nations aggressiveness against it as an imperialistic war, and will in turn be forced to defend FSI.

So, again, we ask that both sides agree to come to the table. ViZion will host this. No guards or other armed people will be allowed to come to this meeting.

Thank you,

President John Maybury

Ooc- My intelligence services are damn good, and they're working in FSI to protect them. Besides, ever heard of radiation detectors? You couldn't get a nuclear bomb into DC without them knowing about it almost immediately! (Well hopefully they're safe like that, they claim they are) well the thing is, with our operatives, we're tighter than fort knox! You can't take a sh-- without us knowing about it.

Since the message was addressed to a specific nation and not to the general NS world, I would assume that it is secret IC and there-fore by your own definition, you cannot know about it in advance.

Since the message was addressed to a specific nation and not to the general NS world, I would assume that it is secret IC and there-fore by your own definition, you cannot know about it in advance.


Ooc- We can still detect the radiation that his suitcase nukes put off. To be light enough to carry, they need to have NO lead shielding whatsoever, and thus they put off radiation than Chernobyl (exaggeration obviously)

Ooc- We can still detect the radiation that his suitcase nukes put off. To be light enough to carry, they need to have NO lead shielding whatsoever, and thus they put off radiation than Chernobyl (exaggeration obviously)

So its standard policy to stop everyone in the street and scan them for radiation, come on, there hundreds of thousands of people in that port, you would never stop sailors from such an insignifigant country. You need to know who to scan before you can catch them.

ViZion requests that nations calm down.

ViZion would be willing to host a diplomatic meeting to settle this issue without a shot being fired.

ViZion wishes to point out that with FSI having WMD's, a war could quickly turn into a nuclear and chem/bio war, which I do believe we all would like to avoid.

ViZion recognizes FSI's soveign right to have their own people as slaves, even though we disagree very much with the practice. What we will not tolerate is torture or murder of these slaves. We will also not tolerate FSI going on raids, or otherwise forcefully taking other people from other nations and turning them into slaves. If that has been done, ViZion demands all foreign slaves be returned to their country, or ViZion will do that for you. This will not be an act of war, as we will send in unarmed civilians who would be more than willing to help with returning these people to their country. What would be an act of war is if you fire upon our people.

ViZion also recognizes FSI's soveign right to have WMD's. What ViZion will NOT tolerate is if FSI uses its WMD's aggressively in a war.

If FSI does keep within those soveign limits, ViZion will have no choice but to deem other nations aggressiveness against it as an imperialistic war, and will in turn be forced to defend FSI.

So, again, we ask that both sides agree to come to the table. ViZion will host this. No guards or other armed people will be allowed to come to this meeting.

Thank you,

President John Maybury
OOC: Bumping this post because it's post #30 and no very many will probably see it...

(OOC)

Well Decisive Action, I noted in the other thread that you intend to send in all of those forces, but oddly enough, I got there before you did (by time of transmission of messages)... so even if all of your troops were able to rapidly deploy from the principal port of a nation with 7 million people (usually, a nation this size, lets say a modern one like for example Denmark) only has one or two ports large enough to handle container or RO/RO ships (needed for all of your tanks, transporters, etc) and only a couple of major airports large enough to handle military transports the size of AN22/C5/C141 and only a couple of more that can handle C17s.... so there is simply no way you are all there yet.

secondly, how big do you think that harbor is? I bet I am tied up in a yacht club (as a sailing sloop is only about 70 feet long and has a draft of 12 feet) you are at least a couple of miles away.

You already have NEST teams flying around in helicopters? So what, as my guys got in first, are special forces trained, and would most likely have already blended into the slums.... (note the status of this nation.. lots of slums, serious poverty, high crime)... we are more likely to be mugged.

In realistic terms a mass deployment by you would be restricted to base areas, and I am not going for powerplants etc, but high rise buildings and anywhere with 6 blocks will knock them down.

As far as secret transmissions goes, I assumed that the transmission was government to government via hand delivered message to the ambassador of the nation involved.

The little transmitter on the sailing sloop sure didnt send it

And it takes time to develop sources on the ground, no matter how many people and resources you through at it.... just look at the current real world problems

(OOC)

Well Decisive Action, I noted in the other thread that you intend to send in all of those forces, but oddly enough, I got there before you did (by time of transmission of messages)... so even if all of your troops were able to rapidly deploy from the principal port of a nation with 7 million people (usually, a nation this size, lets say a modern one like for example Denmark) only has one or two ports large enough to handle container or RO/RO ships (needed for all of your tanks, transporters, etc) and only a couple of major airports large enough to handle military transports the size of AN22/C5/C141 and only a couple of more that can handle C17s.... so there is simply no way you are all there yet.

secondly, how big do you think that harbor is? I bet I am tied up in a yacht club (as a sailing sloop is only about 70 feet long and has a draft of 12 feet) you are at least a couple of miles away.

You already have NEST teams flying around in helicopters? So what, as my guys got in first, are special forces trained, and would most likely have already blended into the slums.... (note the status of this nation.. lots of slums, serious poverty, high crime)... we are more likely to be mugged.

In realistic terms a mass deployment by you would be restricted to base areas, and I am not going for powerplants etc, but high rise buildings and anywhere with 6 blocks will knock them down.

As far as secret transmissions goes, I assumed that the transmission was government to government via hand delivered message to the ambassador of the nation involved.

The little transmitter on the sailing sloop sure didnt send it

And it takes time to develop sources on the ground, no matter how many people and resources you through at it.... just look at the current real world problems

Ooc- I've been sending the 20 divisions in since early this morning RL time, so they're there by now. As for the navy, since 2 days RL time ago, they're there by now. If you really want to drop a suitcase nuke against this nation, a nation under OUR protection, we'll eventually trace the nuclear material residue as having been produced in one of your reactors (each reactor produces a uniquely identifiable material) and then we'll lob a few 1000 ICBMS against you. So press onwards Captain Ahab, and find your white whale!

So its standard policy to stop everyone in the street and scan them for radiation, come on, there hundreds of thousands of people in that port, you would never stop sailors from such an insignifigant country. You need to know who to scan before you can catch them.

Ooc- The scanners can detect radiation presence in the atmosphere for miles, well good detectors that is, and in trace amounts.

((OOC: DA, no matter how you slice it, that guy just verbally pwned you at your own game. Bravo, my smallish friend. (UBC)))

((OOC: DA, no matter how you slice it, that guy just verbally pwned you at your own game. Bravo, my smallish friend. (UBC)))


My fleet has been there for over 48 hours. Along with the weapons and such we sent to help him and he will use to train with. The army units were there for about 12-18 hours.

24-09-2004, 10:52 PM


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7099440&postcount=87

((OOC: Wait, scratch that. DA's right. He's been there for a while. UBS, should have moved earlier. Ah well. At least my side's winning.))

(OOC)

By the way DA, you are talking about the deployment of a military force larger than was committed to Desert Storm in 1991... that took 4 months to get into Saudi Arabia (more ports than here for starters) and unless your nation is literally just a couple of days away, it takes a minimum of three days to move a heavy division from a base (Fort Hood to Beaumont and Houston in 1990), at least two days to load (in a hurry too), and at least a week steaming time to get across the Atlantic at 30 knots.... then same amount of time to unload..... troops of course can be flown in, but a major international airport can handle only so many planes, and has only so many gates and tarmac space, not to mention warehouses.... and you would have to take the place over to rush a division sized formation with its equipment in by air for at least a couple of days...

let me know how that works out for you

(OOC)

By the way DA, you are talking about the deployment of a military force larger than was committed to Desert Storm in 1991... that took 4 months to get into Saudi Arabia (more ports than here for starters) and unless your nation is literally just a couple of days away, it takes a minimum of three days to move a heavy division from a base (Fort Hood to Beaumont and Houston in 1990), at least two days to load (in a hurry too), and at least a week steaming time to get across the Atlantic at 30 knots.... then same amount of time to unload..... troops of course can be flown in, but a major international airport can handle only so many planes, and has only so many gates and tarmac space, not to mention warehouses.... and you would have to take the place over to rush a division sized formation with its equipment in by air for at least a couple of days...

let me know how that works out for you


Ooc- Our entire army is on 48 hour standby, with the RG and light infantry being on 12-16 hour standby, as for airports, our combat engineers can make runways in 2-4 hours. And we have over 10,000 C-130s and 5,000 C-17s. I think we're good to go...

Also, the US armed forces and DA armed forces, never should such a great nation (DA) be compared with one so petty (US) we make the USA look like child's play. We're willing to jump into battle outnumbered 50 to 1, and lose 100,000 men in a single operation or campaign, the USA cannot even handle losing a truck driver or a cook.

UBS, I like your style... shall we dance? Is there any way you can use your teams in the target to help our teams gain access to a harbor?

(OOC)If you check the posts on the other board... I got permission to dock before he did (chuckle)..... so as far as timing, I got there first.

Why would he even notice my tiny little relic except as a curiosity?

Especially when a real fleet was in the area (those British Empire types)

And why would he have NEST teams up? He hasn't mentioned them so far until I just posted.... he has focused his attention on external threats...

by the way, it takes some time to build missile lauch facilities, especially silos.. takes months at least (and a lot of engineering equipment).... I haven't seen any engineer units in his mission package... just ground forces and fighters and helicopters.... these kind of heavy engineers are not generally attached to a motorized infantry corps or even field army.... even by the US Army (which has a LOT of engineering equipment, more per man than anyone else)

bet it didn't arrive in the first wave.... bet the security guys didn't either

(OOC)If you check the posts on the other board... I got permission to dock before he did (chuckle)..... so as far as timing, I got there first.

Why would he even notice my tiny little relic except as a curiosity?

Especially when a real fleet was in the area (those British Empire types)

And why would he have NEST teams up? He hasn't mentioned them so far until I just posted.... he has focused his attention on external threats...

by the way, it takes some time to build missile lauch facilities, especially silos.. takes months at least (and a lot of engineering equipment).... I haven't seen any engineer units in his mission package... just ground forces and fighters and helicopters.... these kind of heavy engineers are not generally attached to a motorized infantry corps or even field army.... even by the US Army (which has a LOT of engineering equipment, more per man than anyone else)

bet it didn't arrive in the first wave.... bet the security guys didn't either

Ooc- We don't list support personnel as part of each formation, but each unit is just a given that it has medics, cooks, engineers, etc. And we motivate our engineers to build a silo in 2-3 days, how? We work 24/7 non-stop, in shifts, any shift goes slow, the NCOs break out the whips and clubs.

OOC: i dont see what the problem is, i dont think DA would just give WMD away if he thought the person was going to mis use them since that would give him a rather bad name.

IC:

"we dont see what all the fuss is about, your all over reacting to a situation thats between DA and FSI. ok i admit FSI could use the WMD as a first strike weapon but im shore even then alot of people will turn on them."

General Harumi Enoki
Chief of Foreign Affairs

Amauters study tactics, professionals study logistics.....A quote from "How to Make War" James Dunnigan (in all three editions)....

You simply can't do what you say you are doing DA... flight times, unloading times, etc.... they are real world factors and the force you are talking about has to deal with them.

Unless every single combat division is literally stationed next door to a port, and you are literally across the English Channel (as an example) you simply cannot have deployed more than light infantry forces by the time my guys leave the ship, and your air units would still be rebasing (takes a day to pack, day to fly, day to unpack stores, spares, air traffic control systems etc)...

at best, using real world mass operations at distant targets as a guideline, you have a paratrooper division on the ground guarding the major airports, air traffic control people setting up, and a few squadrons of fighters and AEW aircraft on day 2 of your deployment.

All I need is a few hours to be in position.

And yes, a good nuclear detection team (as in Sum of All Fears movie and book) will trace back my radioactives... but consider proportionality of response... at most a few thousand local casualties.. and you want to commit genocide against a small nation in response..... tsk, tsk, what will the UN say, or for that matter, everyone else?

And yes, a good nuclear detection team (as in Sum of All Fears movie and book) will trace back my radioactives... but consider proportionality of response... at most a few thousand local casualties.. and you want to commit genocide against a small nation in response..... tsk, tsk, what will the UN say, or for that matter, everyone else?


Ooc- If you know my nation's history, you know I don't give a flying frick what the UN thinks about anything. My regime has committed genocide against arabs, jews, blacks, white muslims, gays, etc. We've killed over 100 million domestic political white opponents from Dec 1984 - Aug 2004 (Roger Fabus stopped the killings that his father had going on, and he shut the gulags and other camps down) We've probably killed a total of 900 million people if you total it all up, probably 80% of them foreign non-whites in various wars and such, 10% domestic non-whites (we killed every single non-white in our north american lands, and deported those we didn't kill) and then 10% domestic white political opponents. Granted we did this covertly and over 20 years.

(OOC) a one kiloton weapon, such as was designed and deployed in West Germany by the US Army as a special operations weapon, is designed to be used to block defiles, take out bridges and other special missions impractical for conventional military or conventional nuclear forces to hit.

It was hoped that they wouldn't be considered a major escalatory step either (whistling in the dark probably, but who knows)

They have been around a few decades in other words..... NEST teams having problems picking up small devices like this, as they emit little more than the background radiation in urban areas.....

The amount of nuclear material is very small....thimbful instead of the usual couple of ounces for a missile warhead.

blast radius is very small.... a couple of hundred feet total destruction, less than a quarter mile of serious damage... which is why they were remotely practicable for a special operations unit marching in and out to use....

In other words, not much bigger than a 20,000 pound bomb used in World War II.... not a city killer (Bush by the way is talking about bringing these toys back and using them against Terrorists hiding in caves)

Chances of detecting a small team of 3 - 4 men with one of these isn't real great in a city..... they could hide it in the trunk of a stolen car or maybe one of DAs jeeps

OOC: First time RP... I hope it's all right. []s are OOC.

SECRET IC
To [Whatever official's in charge of your operation?] of Upper Big Sur
From Task Force Theta-13, Adrican National Army

A little birdie told us that you're looking into some kind of covert operation within the borders of Female Slavery, Inc aimed at disrupting their infrastructure and, perhaps, permanently crippling their "government", such as it is. We believe that you have, in fact, already mobilized this effort. Task Force Theta-13 would like to respectfully request to be a part of your plan. We find FSI's actions morally repugnant, and would like to assist those who seek their dissolution. But that's not all.

We have reason to suspect that your plan of attack, if I may use so harsh a word, involves what we consider an inordinate amount of force. We don't know what you think you can smuggle into FSI, but we wouldn't like to see anything... unfortunate happen. Perhaps you could benefit from our alternate perspective and experience.

Note that, because of Adrica's miniscule conventional armed forces, we must avoid any and all official involvement in the FSI "situation". But right now, we're in the ally building business, so say the word and we'll see if we can't HALO in a T13 or two [Think Special Forces A-team] to work with you.

Cordially,
Task Force Theta-13
Command 1
"Blackbird"


P.S. I've never spoken to you. I hope that you'll return the favor.

(ooc) since this shouldn't be known to anyone, technically I can't really provide cooperation...

(IC)
The Freeland of Upper Big Sur again announced today that its warship the "Redwood" is merely visiting FSI on a routine courtsy stop and to replenish supplies (eggs, brownies and cheeseburgers are in high demand aboard the ship)

"Besides" said captain Hearst, "with all of the various warships milling about outside the waters here, and with supertankers sized cargo ships running aground offshore, it ain't safe to leave the harbor at the moment."

OOC: Maybe I should explain, then.

Adrica has a very (very) small conventional military- something like %0.10 of the population, maybe less (Honestly haven't decided what's fair :P). In the place of a, you know, useful military, it has an extremely exceptional special forces program. I'm not gonna be invading anyone any time soon- but I can control, to a degree, the way things turn out for other people.

Obviously, along with unconventional warfare goes a reasonably extensive intelligence system. We can't intercept and decode encrypted communications or anything, but we have our ears to the ground to an unusual degree. You'll note that our intelligence about your op isn't really that great. It could be weeks old, actually. We know you've been plotting something; given our specialization, I don't think that's too unreasonable. Because of external sources (DA's mobilization, say), it seems you've probably already deployed.

Also note that we don't actually know anything about your plan- all it mentions is "inordinate level of force", which could be anything. That seems to imply nukes because you know you have nukes, I suppose, but we don't actually know- all we know is you're doing it less subtle than we would. Which isn't unlikely :P

Given, again, our specialization in unconventional warfare, we feel you could benefit from our assistance, and, as a morally righteous nation, we want to be involved in the effort to take down FSI to some degree.

Does that help, or does it still seem unreasonable?

Heh... you know you've goofed when your explanation is longer than your original RP :P

PS: Blackbird'll consider your last IC as an implicit rejection of his offer if this doesn't change how you feel.

Some real nice posts...

OOC: Nice work there... I've got to hand it to you I completely agree with damn near everything you have pointed out about logistics and mobilisation. Nice work indeed... I think I'll keep an eye on your potential.

The Republic of New Shiron is willing to offer its services as a neutral third party toward ending the intervention of the larger powers in what should be little more than a police action (worst case) by the UN, or simply ignored (like most other totalitarian nations) are by the UN....

As a UN member, New Shiron feels it can help end this crisis....before anybody starts deploying nuclear missiles ( I agree with Big Sur, Direct Action, I don't think you could have really deployed your big missiles yet... FROGS, SCUDS and SS20s are truck mounted, but not Peacekeepers or Minuteman missiles.... look up how long it really takes to build a silo.... a kids book on Fortresses will have that information... it took about three months to pour the concrete, install the electronics, dig the hole etc....concrete doesn't set overnight on this kind of project.... and you need a few hundred of them don't you?)

Anyway.... of course this all becomes moot if Big Sur uses small nukes against Female Slaves Inc... (which ooc, I don't know about unless I have a spy actually in either of the two countries involved in the diplomatic note)....

If things fall apart, and shooting breaks out, then New Shiron offers its good offices to negotiate a cease fire.

Before fall out reaches MY country

(ooc) going to bed... will check the board tomorrow to see what develops

see you tomorrow.... guess we will see which ways the winds of war blow

ooc:
btw, the dart/rods from space is actually being tested/designed...so its real - what isnt? the 150 rods - too many, as the rods are pretty large, and second, a thing to hold something like that is WAY too big.
I in fact emply these darts...just in like 10-20 holder cylinders that are launched up cheaply. and controlled by a joint controller satellite.

OOC: I would agree it's realistic in modern tech- but only as a prototype. I'm expecting unreliability, minimal accuracy, and massive pyrotechnics for anyone who feels like knocking it away with the guided missile of their choice. Not to mention a majority burning away in the atmosphere...

(OOC)

A US code name for the project is "Thor".... essentially, you take a metal rod, put a fin on it, a small quidiance chip, and let gravity and momentum take care of the rest... small is actually just fine as the killing power is the massive kinetic energy they build up prior to hitting the target.... still in the extremely early development stages

Also, a similiar project under development by the Army involves using railguns (linear accelerators) to fire a small projectile at hypersonic speeds.... this works great, except right now the system is not deployable (building sized generator required for starters)... but in another 10 years? Who knows..

if Tyrmadis is using tech from 2020 than Thor and vehicle mounted railguns are very possible

makes a tank division essentially a shooting gallery.... but current submunitions (delivered by MLRS rockets or Cruise missiles) do a good job of that too, and cheaper for now... just not as widespread an area.

OOC: I would agree it's realistic in modern tech- but only as a prototype. I'm expecting unreliability, minimal accuracy, and massive pyrotechnics for anyone who feels like knocking it away with the guided missile of their choice. Not to mention a majority burning away in the atmosphere...

OOC: Accuracy isn't much of a problem, considering that I can demolish a 40 sq. mile area with just a few rods.

However, trying to knock it out with a guided HTK interceptor is stupid. The rod is moving at 36,000 feet per second, nothing is going to be able to catch it.

You are right about the burning away, usually some 10-20% of my rods's thermal coatings fail and end up breaking apart.

You don't need to catch it. It's coming TOWARDS you. Not only that- It's in free fall*. A first-year physics student could tell you how to hit it.

Of course in real life it's not a first-year physics problem- but let's assume your defense department has some understanding of the more advanced logistics of the issue :P


*Okay, so technically there's air resistance involved. Hey, that's even easier...

of course, if you have enough tech, deployable soon, then these all work.
my nation is like at that cusp.